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- Norway is a pretty awesome place but I also wanted to talk about some of the more negative aspects of choosing to move here (at least for me). So I hope you enjoy my take on it and comment down below if you have anything to add/argue against :)
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If you live in Bergen, you dont even experience COLD weather. If you move up north, you can experience a phenomena called FROST! 😂 Nice video btw.
Veldig vakker jente og fin video :)
Thanks so much for sharing your experience❤
Another generalizing statement about Norwegians; I don`t mind at ALL if strangers on the streets ask me for directions, or other information-in fact; I am very often the one who approaches people on the streets (especially in summer, when the tourist hordes are coming to town..), if I see them standing there with a city map,seemingly lost. I ask if they need any help, in 4 languages if I have to. This is mostly appreciated, the "worst" things that happened to me was that they responded "Oh, we`re fine, thank you. Also, this "reservedness" that you are talking about..well, this is not a Norway -thing, it is common in most countries around the world, when a person all of a sudden has to speak a foreign language, yes, many, perhaps even most, Norwegians speak "fairly descent" English, but it is still a foreign language, meaning that the person that you just asked for directions may not be so fluent in English.. this may be perceived as "reservedness", when the real reason is the LANGUAGE BARRIER. You may notice that the very same person is a LOT more spontaneous/outgoing when he/she speaks his/her mother tongue.. Also, I can`t say I`ve noticed much (if any) difference in how people behave on the streets of Oslo, where I live (or on public transport), compared to Copenhagen, Berlin, Munich, Amsterdam, Antwerp, Cologne...or Sydney, Australia for that matter. Anyway; you are right; there are pro`s and con`s of every city, every country.
I went to Norway last summer and in Oslo people seemed just like in Bruxelles (where i live) but in Bergen and the Voss area they did seem a bit more shy.
Is my observation correct?
I really wanted to move to Norway but I saw that many foreigners say Norwegians are shy and hard to befriend (some Norwegians seemed to agree, saying that most their friends are from school or work and they've known them for years).
What do you think?
@@ApoRekt Never been to Bergen or Voss, so..can`t tell, sorry. I suppose you have some sort of idea about what types of people that you are compatible with, there are PLENTY of organizations that you can join IF you want to. Most people don`t find new friends on the streets or on public transport.
@@ApoRekt
Westerners are a little distrustful towards strangers.
This is a fact.
(I'm of western ancestry, so I know...)
Oslo is a multiciultural mixing bowl.
You have to relate and interact.
To coexist...
Love from Oslo 👩🦳🇳🇴
Thank you for helping to balance the impression of Norwegians. I'm not one of those people who go up to people if they look a bit lost, unless it's completely obvious, but I have absolutely nothing against other people talking to me on the street, and I think that applies to most Norwegians . If it's a quick question, I'll answer if I can, or tell them where they can find answers. If the person making contact wants a longer conversation, I will let them know if it is not suitable. Although most Norwegians do not make contact with others, it does not mean that we are not willing to help or participate in a conversation if others take the initiative. Some of us just don't take the initiative ourselves because we manage just as well without that conversation.
As a Norwegian from Oslo with mothers family from Far North Norway I know what you are talking about. I enjoy staying in Australia and other Englishspeaking countries just because of the factors!
Morning 🙂 Thank you so much for your nice video. It was so speed. But, very funny 😉
Thanks for your interesting video ☺️
Come to my part of Norway and enjoy seasonal depression on a new level. 0 hours of light per day for a couple of months is perfect for depression. On the flip side, 24 hours of sun per day for a few months is amusing, so you win some you loose some.
5:07
In the south.
Up north there's places that literally have no sun for a couple of *months*.
thank you , very interesting to listern. i think its better live in the middle of Norway as its territory narrow and long. so will be better to travel North or South to the same distances :)
You have to put on tights underneath your trousers. That would help a lot with regards to the temperature!
7:35
So a couple of things.
You need a pretext to talk, but you can stretch what's a good pretext quite a lot, you being foreign is almost enough on its own, although it helps if you have a question or something.
Once you got the ball rolling you can pretty much keep the conversation flowing the same way as in the UK.
You can also try to set up a good context as context is super important for Norwegians.
If you're a part of a shared activity you can expect Norwegians to be social.
This could be you going to a choir or some kind of sports activity with them, or a charity or a political organization, or it could just be you meeting them out in nature or abroad, or you may both be drunk in a pub.
In all of those scenarios it'll be socially acceptable to talk.
Of all of those meeting out in nature is probably the best alternative for starting a conversation with a stranger.
Getting a dog and walking it may also help.
All the videos about Norway that I've watched say that the only place people strike up a conversation with strangers is when they are out hiking in the mountains etc.
@@peterc.1618 Not the *only* place.
But yes, it's essentially taboo to talk to strangers without some kind of pretext.
But you can get away with some pretty flimsy pretexts if you want.
But being on a hike or meeting Norwegians abroad are considered a sufficient pretext on its own.
If you need help with something it's also usually a good pretext etc.
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The reason why Norwegians talk to strangers when we are out on in nature is a safety factor. The weather can change very quickly, and if something happens to you it is essential that someone knows where you went and where you planned to go next.
Otherwise, I completely agree with Luredreier. Norwegians don't bother talking just for the sake of talking. That does not mean that all Norwegians are shy, as many foreigners seem to think. It is a cultural phenomenon.
@@ahkkariq7406 ...and then there are exceptions. There always are. Also, as for the reason why we talk to strangers when out hiking..well, goodness me, it would feel a bit strange if you didn`t say at least hello or something. I myself can be quite chatty, and I have or have had friends from 10-12 different countries. Yes, we may be alot less chatty when we are in the city centre, pretty obvious, isn`t it? MUCH higher density of people + most people just mind their own business, rushing from A to B, ignoring most people around them. However, this is a WORLD thing, not a Norway-thing.
Norway sounds like a sensible country, restricting alcohol is a good thing. It has enormous geographical challenges and a tricky climate, so some things like the post have to be arranged differently. The population is a similar size to the Republic of Ireland, yet the Norwegians have a far higher standard of living. I admire how it has kept out the multinationals, I hope it has kept out the corrupt banking system such as here in the UK where banks lend mortgages for new house which only cost 1/4 to 1/3 of the sales price to build and the consumer pours billions into the pockets of land bankers and spiv developers. Whilst some immigration is okay, it looks like Norway has a similar surge of immigration as other European countries.
Alcohol on Sundays; until about 2004 supermarkets in England were not allowed to sell alcohol on Sundays. If you went to a supermarket on a Sunday, the alcohol section had nets over the display.
Omg, I thought that still was the case. Lived there a cpl of years in the 90s.
14:14
Pretty much all of that stuff is different in the *cities*.
I got food, and groceries delivered home in my old home city of Trondheim all the time.
Online shopping usually gets delivered within a week there though.
That's just a part of the whole this country is low population and people lives in the middle of nowhere thing...
But yeah, same day delivery of groceries where a thing, but low selection and higher delivery prices, or I could buy with delivery within a few days depending on when a available slot could be found and I'd get the selection of a large store and good delivery price for bulk delivery (although the store in question had higher than average grocery prices, it was "Meny" after all)
2:06
That's definitely true.
You can mitigate it a little bit by moving east of the mountains for less wind and precipitation.
And south for just more sunlight and heat, as well as some heat from the Gulf stream if you go close enough to the coast.
But yeah, there's no part of Norway that never gets cold.
For that consider Denmark or Germany for a Germanic experience that's warmer overall.
Or southern Europe (Spain, Portugal etc) for a truly warm countries.
I've watched a few YT videos, usually by Americans, about life in Denmark and they say the weather is too wet and cold there.
@@peterc.1618 Well Denmark and Southern Sweden is the warmest that Scandinavia can offer...
Want warmer go for Germany.
Hi there!
Your video is super interesting (though apart from the point on how expensive Norway is, I don't see those as cons).
I'm a 23 yo french who is disabled and I dream since 5 years to move to Norway. I'm more interested in Troms og Finnmark, maybe Nordland. But because I am disabled, I don't really know how this could go...
Here in France, I have financial help because I can't work, and it's not a lot, honestly. So yeah... a bit stressed about it :(
i wish you luck
Well i live in Stavanger and last 15 ish years postal and packages from all online stores arrives as fast as you want them. Postal for free 3 to 5 days. For a small fee within 3 days. And for a standard fee as fast as next day if ordered early. We have also house in Spain and in spain its not faster even when from Amazon. So the island outside Bergen you live/lived on must be small 😁🇧🇻
The postal service was told to save money and instead of increasing business and such pay, they reduced cost and instead was rendered irrelevant to most people.
Exactly. Norway 20 years ago was more effective when it comes to postal service.
@@ahkkariq7406 That's what happens when conservative parties want to make everything "more efficient". It usually ends up being the opposite.
Previously post was sorted locally, you had proper post offices in every city, sometimes several, and mail would be delivered quickly. Now, if I order from one town over, a 20 minute drive away, post is shipped off to Oslo to be sorted, then to another sorting facility two towns over, then to me. What would take a day before they "made it more efficient", now takes three days. So I usually end up using one of those underpaid delivery services instead - and feel guilty about it - but receive it the same day.
I will recommend you to move to eastern part of Norway, how is much better weather than it is in western part of Norway!
I can recommend Drammen city how is Norway most beautiful city!
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Good guide Alex.. but it only really works if a person can obtain a proper Visa, wich are few and far between.. a foreigner cant just choose to move here, we dont have a Visa for that
Nice video, but as a Norwegian I some few pointers. I do really agree that the alcohol law is shit, but Vinmonopolet is a blessing in disguise if you like wine. Because it's buy in such large bulks it's one of the biggest customers of vine houses meaning we often get priority on great wine. Other than that I have to say that most of your cons really comes from living on a small island on the west coast. Online shopping and same day delivery is quite easy in the larger city, and specially in Oslo. Norway are one of the leading countries in technology advancement in the world, but yeah since w're such a small population Amazon hasn't really prioritized us. But there are better options for home delivery than the local supermarket
I live ~2.5 Hours drive NW from Oslo S. It takes At least 3 to 5 days for ANY mail to get from Oslo and here. It is impossible to get express mail in less than 2 -3 days unless you use "private" delivery firms. Its often faster to get packages from USA, UK, EU or even Singapore), unless DHL let Posten/Bing do the last deliveries, then its another week.
Postal services in Norway is no longer a service its freaking privilege.
True, but we dont really do fluff tech. Maybe in Oslo, only been there a couple of times a couple of decades ago, so what do I know. But ordering your food would never be something I could do unless I have to. I have to see what I need up front. Also, the shop is 2 minutes walking away so why the hell would I do that lol
Good thing you agree that the alcohol laws are shit (stupid and outdated), but I don't really get all the praise of Vinmonopolet. The regular norwegian don't really benefit anything from Vinmonopolet, it's mostly the wine snobs. I mean are you under the impression that Danish people can't get a good selection of wine on the large supermarkets? If so you're very wrong.
Sure Vinmonopolet does ofcourse have a better selection than a gas station in Denmark, but the danish supermarkets combined with great online ordering services makes Denmark much better. Also the strong beer selection in regular Vinmonopols are very bad.
I've been to Meny's (ironically a norwegian market chain) in Denmark with a much better strong beer selection than a regular Vinmonopol. Also the prices are much more reasonable in Denmark, unless you buy the most expensive wine, but then again it's only good for the wine snobs. And the opening hours are so bad in Norway, sure Denmark sells 24/7, but even Alco in Finland is open every day except sundays to 21:00, and you can still buy decent beer in Finland on sundays.
Point being, Vinmonopolet has gone from utterly shit about 20 years ago, to "okay" nowadays, but for some reasons norwegians praise it like we have any better selection than in the rest of Europe, which is very false.
@@schnaps-jv8vh alcohol isnt a human right mate. just saying. its not something to complain about
Eating out is going to be expensive because the people who work in restaurants also have to earn enough to afford Norwegian prices. I think (hope) that they also get paid more in real terms than restaurant staff in the UK who have to rely heavily on tips.
Yes, they are.
People working in restaurants or gas stations etc can afford to live a modest life with an occasional luxury like a vacation.
That said, the cost increases caused by the one two punches of corona followed by the Ukraine war certainly has hit the lower income parts of our society *hard*.
My region was mildly hit by the energy cost increases all things considered but even here the electricity prices reached 10x normal prices at their peak.
Further south it was even more extreme.
And of course since only 3% of Norway is suitable for agriculture and only 1% is suitable for grain production, and we have a tradition of eating bread for breakfast, lunch and evening meal, and occasionally even as a side for dinner...
Yeah, our prices in general has been quite noticably increased.
That said, our price hikes has been a little bit delayed, as the suppliers of our stores are some of the best customers of most food producers out there they often get preferential treatment.
All foreigners in Norway react the same way to the price of eating out. They see it as a meal, not thinking that someone has actually prepared the food for them, and serve it. They see learning to cook as unconvenience, something that takes time. Right - their own time. I am glad that we live in a country that is so highly developed that we consider all professions worth paying for.
I’m wondering….did you check out Norway before moving??
If you don’t like rain…don’t move to Bergen.
If you don’t like spending money…don’t move here at all.
If you have to drink on sundays….buy it on saturdays.
I think one of the good things about Norway, speaking as a Norwegian of course, is the relative dearth of international tech giants -- very little use of WhatsApp, no UberEats, no local Amazon.
Unfortunately, Uber Black seems recently to have appeared, and almost the entire nation seems to be on Facebook sadly. So it's not all good.
Never been on facebook and no one I know uses it. Granted, I am from a small fishing village in the far north so that MAY have something to do with it ;)
@@GnosticAtheist I've also never been on FB.
You are aware that the north of brittain is further north than the south of Norway. And the daylight difference between Bournemouth and Bergen in December is 2 hours. So you`re actually way off.
Cheers roze ! The pros go over the cons in this country , im from Bergen , i here you say 1,5 ours outside of my city you live ? Can i Ask where ? 😁
East part has the best weather. Bergen is very rainy.
Alex move to Sweden, but they are much more difficult to get into, but the prices are much cheaper 😱😱
Norway is a very small country. But it is long, and with a very small population. We have long distances to travel for "things". I know this is a bad example these days. But Gaza has about the half of the population of Norway....2,3 mill...in the space that's about our largest inland lake, Mjøsa. Point being, we have a LOT of space here. Things are far apart.
As an introvert, it kinda sounds like the worst place, because I don't like/ have problems with starting a conversation. I really need other people to do that around me.
I think the Vinmonopol is a good thing. Everyone has the spare time, time enough to go there before closing time. It was much worse before, way back in older days.
Think it s good that strong alcohol is not all over the place. Too easy access makes more people drink too much . Like in USA so many drunks and alcoholics . In Russia too.
And other countries too.
Too much alcohol anywhere is not good for anyone.
Vinmonopolet has opening hours from 10 to 18 on weekdays. Open on saturdays till 15. Just need planning your shopping.
Prices are too high I think. Taxes on alcohol is crazy wrong I think. Even if I dont drink much.
We go to Sweden and buy alcohol 😊. Cheaper.
Best city is ofc Stavanger. Stavanger people tend to only go to Bergen for studying and then hurry back home 😎🤗🇧🇻
As a Norwegian, I was a bit provoked by your video at first, and I really wanted to defend my country. On further reflection, I would like to thank you for telling the world that Norway is not a shining image. Anyone who moves to Norway will notice that our country is much more demanding to live in than the tourist brochures show.
Sure, it's beautiful, and part of the reason is all the rain. Despite the fact that we are located far north, it is green and lush thanks to the rainfall.
The rain also fills the reservoirs with water. Before, it used to mean cheap electricity - which I haven't seen any reaction video comment on, not even those made while we actually had low electricity prices. Now those damned politicians are sending our electricity to England and the continent, and the consequence for us Norwegians is that we sometimes have the highest electricity prices in the whole of Europe in parts of the country.
Do not come to Norway if you are unable to take care of yourself, both financially and practically. Be ready to contribute to society in every way. By doing so, you will form friendships, invest in the future by becoming part of the group of people who help each other out when necessary. It is especially important to participate in local "dugnad".
An important principle in Norway is that you have to give before you can enjoy. You reap as you sow.
one of the other cons she has not mentioned in the video: norwegians being quite nationalist. Why on earth somebody gets provoked when a person gets vocal about what they experience in their country? Well, not in their country even. This woman posting the video here probably pays TAX as she is living in Norway for 9 months! Which makes her quite eligible to speak her mind about what she is going through while she is living there. Well, even though she wasnt, it is very weird for me how people can get provoked by such things. Unless all your identity depends on just your nationality, nothing else therefore you get very protective about it as you get every critism towards your nationality as a critism to you! Mind blowing ! And yes, there should be more videos like this because countries try to attract talents and people should know more about what they are signing up for and dont make their moves based on false advertisments on some overrated countries
@@aslire110 There is nothing wrong being nationalist the patriotic way. It is healthy love for your country.
@@ahkkariq7406 wel, loving your country or culture is a thing, being nationalist is another thing. There is nohing wrong enjoying your culture and things you used to and loving the place you live in but there are a lot of things that is wrong with being a nationalist ! It has root causes though. Most nationalist have the need to define themselves with the griup they belong to because they do not have much personal stories to tell. This is the cancer of the world.
@@aslire110
Nationalism is a broad spectrum that also includes loving one's country and people and because one does so one will contribute to peace and welfare within the country's borders. Unfortunately, there are far too many who narrow down a term to what they themselves put in the term. By doing so, one risks diluting the concept of positive content, as in this case - it is precisely because we Norwegians love our country and people that we are willing to contribute to the welfare state. It has nothing to do with superiority. Norway is one of the countries that spends most on aid to other countries, and we do so despite there are plenty of unsolved problems within the country.
@@ahkkariq7406 I lived in Norway almost 10 years and have paid couple of millions of Kroners as tax. Sadly I have seen the health system was below average with no alternative.In addition to that seen and heard a lot of money wasted on public projects where people did not do anything for months because the managers mismanaged and told them to wait until they could decide what to do. Have seen rarely people being in growth mindset and can take initiation therefore wasting enormous amount of time in long meetings. Also rarely seen people being passioned or enthusiastic about doing a good job. So many things were just average. Wasted other talents as well as these average people dominated everywhere. So many Norwegians bending the system working minimum as well. So is this the wealthfare system you are talking about? It sounds to me a system some people taking advantage of others who are willing to put effort. Let me tell you something. Future of Norway is not good. Things are already collapsing and I am sure you noticed it. If we were talking about really loving the country then things would not be in this way as people who love their country usually work for it to get better, isn’t it? Nationalism in Norway does not go any further beyond defining himself herself in a group because people really do not have much personal achievements. It is kind of nationalism that does not look much pretty I should confess
If you live in like another guy her say like Drammen you only hav 40 min with a train and your in Oslo and in a city you get everything deliver at your home straight away, the weather is also 10 times better you have chosen the place to live that has the most rain in the whole world lol But I agree that Norwegians are difficult to get into and get to know
Bergen is the city that invented rain :P
Oh we mind the rain. What can you do about it though? We live for the sunny days, and we -pretend- pride in the rain :D
As for cold weather. I bet you got a bit warm this summer, if you were here that is. There are warm summers, but granted, they are not as common as we would want. Seasonal depression is common, yes. Some, like me, ignore it, but most of us feel it. Do the cozy bit (koselig), and light candles and get some warm soft blankets. Light a fire (if you have a fireplace - please do not light a fire in your living room if not...). The winter sucks, basically. It helps when there is snow. And yes, some of us are reserved. I found the same in England, but perhaps more so in the countryside. Young people are less so than older ones, usually, but apparently not for you :D
So you need keep stacks of beverages at your house at all time, just in case.
Hi where do you work?
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As a Norwegian...I'm like...o ok...I get it yes!!!!👍😅
i like your humor more than the video, lol
yeah, Norway ain't for everybody, but we have a joke that Bergen ain't Norway. You on west coast and Bergen is surrounded by mountains, so when that shitty UK weather come from west and meet those mountains, the air need to go up and then air get cooled down, then it rains and rains. Bergen is one of the rainiest cities in Europe and when you meet someone from Bergen, they go on and on about their rain records. Oslo is much more dry, in fact all other Norwegian cities have less rain, you selected the wettest city in Norway. Yes, the darkness is awful, but imagine up north, no freakn Sun light at all during the dark period. I can't stand it, but Bergen is down south and not that dark.
To enjoy all-year living in Norway, need to be mentally robust, you basically in no-mans land. During covid, social distancing was easy for us, just keep on what we already do, haha
Lmao, it's endearing that you call Austevoll a city, when it's a small town on different islands in the middle of nowhere filled with kinda crazy islanders. Beautiful place though
Meh.....been in Bergen several times but find the city pretty overated and the constant rain sucks ! Much better in the central south east part of Norway !
For me these "cons" are pros for me, but to which their own.
Just nine months? If these are "cons" for not living in Norway then you will really hate your life there when real life hits you.
It's easier in Oslo, but then Trøndere arn't known to be very progressive ;)
4:40 OMG. When a British moves to another country and tells you: It's rainy here. 0_0 Where is she living? Waterfall?, dam?, Atlantis??? xD :D Just kidding.
Haha, that cracked me up! Definitely feels like it sometimes, especially now, during Autumn :')
Hahahaha
Sounds like Norway is for me! I’m already accustomed to unnecessarily high costs of living because I live in California. I don’t like small talk, so if you have something you want to say, please be efficient.
I like a little bit of a challenge in transportation, because that means it won’t get obnoxiously crowded where I live.
Freezing cold and rain keeps all the homeless drug addicts out of the rural areas which I like, so they can squat and have all your noisy crowded cities, thank you.
I would rather have perhaps one or two good friends that I can snow camp and winter hike with, than being expected to maintain some large, superficial friendship network.
I quit drinking in 2009 and I’m a pretty good cook and enjoy being in the kitchen.
Jeg vil gjerne reise i norge, også leir og sove utenfor. Myggene skal også liker meg for at være seg utenfor, selvfølgelig.
Jeg er studerer norsk, men vet du leser skriveriet til min, jeg må studere mye mer.
Som norsk var det fint å lese dette. Vi alle har ulike tanker om hva som er et godt liv og ikke. Mange av de tingene noen ser på som problematiske er egentlig knyttet til en overfladisk livsstil basert på forbruk og egen komfort. Jeg elsker Norge, og er takknemlig over at jeg ikke bor i en eller annen storby på kontinentet. Når det er sagt er slike videoer flotte med tanke på at glansbildet Norge falmer, så vi slipper at folk som ikke passer inn i Norge flytter hit.
What’s she bobbling about 😅
Bergen is the wettest town on the ENTIRE CONTINENT, not a good data point for the entire nation 😂
As we don’t drink, come on girl where are u linking. It’s 20 in the week and 6 at night. No Amazon is because the workers condition is so bad. We get our food delivered the day after. She has no idea what’s talking about. Not helpful just a lot of shit, sorry
Youre like a smoker everybody hurts
Come to fucking Switzerland: No rain but drought. When it rains it is a drizzle that lasts an hour or two. A drizzle once every week if we are lucky. This week temperatures up to 38° C. We can trade places if you like.
You have just meet the wrong people in norway :p
Agree. Besides; whether some people are "right" or "wrong" for you, highly depends on who you are, what type of people that you are compatible with etc. Pretty obvious, birds of a feather, u know.. As a Norwegian , I am definitely not compatible with every single citizen of my country, simply due to the fact that they are also Norwegian. Good chemistry develop when you meet another person and they sense a certain chemistry, common interests etc.
Norway is known as being the most unfriendliest - meaning, the hardest to make friends. Idk why anyone would move to countries where you can't make any friends.
Yeah...I guess so. I worked there for a while, and they weren't even socialable to each other that much (compared to us from other countries).
@@SA-cloud Have you tried asking colleagues to go out for dinner or coffee after work? That has worked pretty well for me. Just make sure to ask early in the week, so your colleagues can make time later in the week for the dinner/coffee. It is probably better to ask several people at a time, so it becomes a group activity.
Oslo has more rainy days then London. Also zieht Euch warm an, vergesst nie den Regenschirm oder bleibt besser gleich zuhause, weil alles völlig überteuert ist!! You are alone and will be depressive all the time, with no sun. Greetz from Germany