Turns out sauron DIDNT lie and the numanorians distrust of the valar was 100% justified as men bled and died for them and yet the Valar taunted them with ever lasting life they never intended to grant humanity and eru illuvitar is just as capricious and evil as morgoth
Would you say that the men of Middle Earth were given free will and agency, which would not similarly be seen in the elves who were commanded to return to Valinor?
@BombadilsBasement this move by illuvitar is the same as the garden of eden story of here let's dangle something infront of the humans then get mad and punish them for using that free will its asinine
@christophercombs7561 I'd probably compare the downfall of Numenor more to Noah's flood. I mean, Tolkien makes it fairly clear that his legendarium mirrors the God of the OT and NT. I'm planning to do a video of how Tolkiens world is based off Christian theology, but unsure if it would cause controversy. Thoughts?
@@BombadilsBasement oh i know but both stories exemplify capricious vain beings that punish the innocent after dangling an insane prize then pretending that dangling the prize is something to be grateful for
Great video!
Turns out sauron DIDNT lie and the numanorians distrust of the valar was 100% justified as men bled and died for them and yet the Valar taunted them with ever lasting life they never intended to grant humanity and eru illuvitar is just as capricious and evil as morgoth
Would you say that the men of Middle Earth were given free will and agency, which would not similarly be seen in the elves who were commanded to return to Valinor?
@BombadilsBasement and some of the elves DIDNT return so the elves had the choice where as the valar never gave men that choice
@BombadilsBasement this move by illuvitar is the same as the garden of eden story of here let's dangle something infront of the humans then get mad and punish them for using that free will its asinine
@christophercombs7561 I'd probably compare the downfall of Numenor more to Noah's flood. I mean, Tolkien makes it fairly clear that his legendarium mirrors the God of the OT and NT. I'm planning to do a video of how Tolkiens world is based off Christian theology, but unsure if it would cause controversy. Thoughts?
@@BombadilsBasement oh i know but both stories exemplify capricious vain beings that punish the innocent after dangling an insane prize then pretending that dangling the prize is something to be grateful for