Me: *Walks out covered in an Italian Grandmother's heirloom china* I've yet to meet the man willing to face the wrath of Nonna armed with the wooden spoon
I DO NOT recommend Steel Plates (even with antispall coating) you still run the risk of spalling and fragmentation into you or your partners arms, throat, and face. I speak from shitty experiences. Ceramic, Polyethylene, or Variable Ceramic Polyethylene will run you just as good, and it’s lighter. Trick of the trade is run soft armor under your kit rated for (3A or 3 Plus), and wear plates over the soft armor within your kit (rated for Level 4). It’ll mitigate some of the trauma, and anyone facing you will have two armor systems to go through, make sure to tape everything down that’s loose fitting.
Yeah, Hard over Soft is something that has been known since antiquity. The hard armor blunted the sharp arrows and such, letting the soft armor underneath soften the impact without being cut through. Probably similiar to today with bullets.
Love this! I hope in the future when you can afford to, you go all mythbusters on this. Bringing in a science/engineering focused person to help create tests that show just how much force the "person" wearing the armor is feeling and with slow-mo cams show how the force is transferred. That would be so awesome. Basically, you need to add a nerd to your team ;P
@@XxHitmanAssassinxX enjoy he has a ton of guns which could be fun and he has a nice history of doing shooting competitions with veterans. Some of my favorite videos from him was when demo invited the reaper who was a nasty sniper and they just had a blast shooting stuff.
That 60 dollar budget armor seems it actually did great for its cost. Im thinking of just adding a gel padding or sew some extra layers of cloth or foam to mitigate the pressure from deformation.
@@wilsonvaughn5385 can't own body armour where I live, only time I'd wear it is if it was practical anyway. Military provided mine so never had to worry about cost, don't need it in my casual, everyday clothes
Would be sick to see these guys talk about room clearing or shooting techniques. The Ranger, Green Beret, and LEO will all have different experiences and ideas.
Seen some discussion across forums about a potential of metallic foam sandwiched between two soft ballistic plates. The foam deforms upon impact and eats some of the energy while the plate prevents the bullet from entering the body.
So glad you guys are getting into gear stuff. I'm new to the gun world and currently building up my armory and gear habit. These are amazing for someone new like me!
@@PHIllip324 Yes I've watched a few of their videos. I've watched a ton of Honest Outlaw for my gun reviews. It's an interesting world I've come into. I was lead to believe that the guns/gear community are all crazy trigger happy nut cases but I've come to realize that the community is quite the opposite. First time buying a fire arm and shooting it was an amazing experience by everyone there from the clerks to the people at the range.
now I wonder if the Battle Steel 3A also is puncture resistant aka Stab Proof, as a Security Guard it more likely i'm going to get stabbed then shot but if get protection from both that would be worth the money
Fuck yes! This is the first time i was part of a group of peope that suggested something in a comments section and they did the idea. Feels good to be in this community now
Great video guys, as always. Can you guys also talk about millspec plates and how they compare to civilian plates? I tend to think that anything not ceramic is lacking, but I have a friend who works at a body armor manufacturer (Spartan Armor Systems) who told me stuff like modern plastic plates like polyethylene and other composites are perfect for civilian application as they're light and will stop any round you would ever face as a civilian. As for me, if I were running plates for some reason, I'd still prefer my trusty ceramic plates, which have saved my life at least once from an AK round (7.62x39mm).
UHWMPE is typically used in helmets. The ACH and ECH are made from it, as well as helmets from companies like Ops-Core/Gentex, Team Wendy, and MTEK. Actual UHWMPE plates, GOOD ones that is from companies like First Spear, are rated to level 3 and are incredibly light, as well as being neutrally buoyant making them excellent for maritime ops. UHWMPE plates as a whole do NOT stop AP or steel-core "barrier blind" rounds in their current development, which makes unsafe for military use, but unless you're expecting AP rounds in the civillian world they're a good choice.
@@deejay1534 Good info. I don't mind helmets being made from bulletproof composites and/or polyethylene as taking a rifle round to the head is going to cause you problems whether the helmet stops the bullet or not. I have also heard of UHWMPE plates being buoyant, which yes would make them a good choice for maritime operations. For civilian use, a polyethylene plate sandwiched with other materials is likely going to be more than good enough, while still being much lighter than ceramic. It's simply in a military context, the bad guys, and even some of the good guys, are almost certainly going to be carrying AKM/AK-47s shooting some old and cheap Soviet era steel core ammo. Wearing Level IV plates is just added peace of mind within that context.
the steel plate would've been kool to see it shot near the neck to further evaluate the spalling dangers in regards to the neck. There should be a follow up to this in which you see how many rounds it takes to penetrate lethally
Why are the plates so small? A shot to the guts is still lethal, is there a reason they don't make them wrap around the whole torso instead of just the upper torso?
Use ceramic plates not steel plates. Unless you want to catch spall in your neck. Edit: especially if it’s a steel plate rated higher level of protection meant for rifle rounds.
Never go steel, on top of being substantially heavier it fails to protect against higher threats and the rounds it does stop generate fragmentation. That frag will tear into your arms, groin, and throat. Plates advertised with "Spall coating" are a gimmick and do not hold up.
Hey guys i love yall so much i found both yall from gameology but theres a youtuber u need to check on called Kentucky ballistics especially on his body armor video if u need help finding it i know the video
Make a video talking about what gun every American should have and price points (one gun at a time or a top 5 list of some sort or one entire video about the different versions of a single gun and price points like one video per gun)
That 60 dollar armor stopping the 500mag after already being shot multiple times was really impressive. Seems like actually really decent soft armor
better than nothing if you've got 60 dollars
soft armour has got incredible and it has an amazingly useful place in the civilian market
Me: *Walks out covered in an Italian Grandmother's heirloom china* I've yet to meet the man willing to face the wrath of Nonna armed with the wooden spoon
_The Abuela waiting in the bushes for you to fuck up_
You play a dangerous game risking the wroth of grand mama
My guy u tryna speedrun the whole Book of Revelation?
You absolute madlad
I DO NOT recommend Steel Plates (even with antispall coating) you still run the risk of spalling and fragmentation into you or your partners arms, throat, and face.
I speak from shitty experiences.
Ceramic, Polyethylene, or Variable Ceramic Polyethylene will run you just as good, and it’s lighter.
Trick of the trade is run soft armor under your kit rated for (3A or 3 Plus), and wear plates over the soft armor within your kit (rated for Level 4). It’ll mitigate some of the trauma, and anyone facing you will have two armor systems to go through, make sure to tape everything down that’s loose fitting.
Yeah, Hard over Soft is something that has been known since antiquity. The hard armor blunted the sharp arrows and such, letting the soft armor underneath soften the impact without being cut through. Probably similiar to today with bullets.
Thats how the good ol army IOTV did it back in the day. Im sure it was for a reason
Love this! I hope in the future when you can afford to, you go all mythbusters on this. Bringing in a science/engineering focused person to help create tests that show just how much force the "person" wearing the armor is feeling and with slow-mo cams show how the force is transferred. That would be so awesome. Basically, you need to add a nerd to your team ;P
You guys should try and meet up with demolition ranch!
They should totally try to meet up with the demolitia
What would be your video idea?
@@XxHitmanAssassinxX enjoy he has a ton of guns which could be fun and he has a nice history of doing shooting competitions with veterans. Some of my favorite videos from him was when demo invited the reaper who was a nasty sniper and they just had a blast shooting stuff.
That 60 dollar budget armor seems it actually did great for its cost. Im thinking of just adding a gel padding or sew some extra layers of cloth or foam to mitigate the pressure from deformation.
Is that the value you'd place on your life? Surely you're worth more than that mate, there are some things you don't want to cheap out on
@@Wile_E._Wolf you saying you willing to wear those big plates in your everyday casual clothes? Bet not.
@@wilsonvaughn5385 can't own body armour where I live, only time I'd wear it is if it was practical anyway. Military provided mine so never had to worry about cost, don't need it in my casual, everyday clothes
@@Wile_E._Wolf then were not on the same page bud but I understand your concern.
@@wilsonvaughn5385 stay safe man
Would be sick to see these guys talk about room clearing or shooting techniques. The Ranger, Green Beret, and LEO will all have different experiences and ideas.
I keep one of those botach battle steel soft armor plates in the water bladder sleeve of my daily backpack.
Seen some discussion across forums about a potential of metallic foam sandwiched between two soft ballistic plates. The foam deforms upon impact and eats some of the energy while the plate prevents the bullet from entering the body.
Me watching normally, then locking eyes with this dude for like 5 seconds 7:31 , then back to normal lol
The 60 dollar armor seems a good choice for putting in a backpack if you carry one everyday.
DFNDR makes some pretty good armor plates. If you can't afford them, however, then RMA, Hesco, and LTC are great options as well.
So glad you guys are getting into gear stuff. I'm new to the gun world and currently building up my armory and gear habit. These are amazing for someone new like me!
If you're new, I strongly recommend watcing Garand Thumb and Trex Arms. They have a wide range of gun content for beginners and experts alike.
@@PHIllip324 Yes I've watched a few of their videos. I've watched a ton of Honest Outlaw for my gun reviews. It's an interesting world I've come into. I was lead to believe that the guns/gear community are all crazy trigger happy nut cases but I've come to realize that the community is quite the opposite. First time buying a fire arm and shooting it was an amazing experience by everyone there from the clerks to the people at the range.
@@XInoAricinNilo it's those trigger happy / always thinking about shooting someone type of people that bring a bad eye to the firearms community.
now I wonder if the Battle Steel 3A also is puncture resistant aka Stab Proof, as a Security Guard it more likely i'm going to get stabbed then shot but if get protection from both that would be worth the money
Fuck yes! This is the first time i was part of a group of peope that suggested something in a comments section and they did the idea. Feels good to be in this community now
Great video guys, as always. Can you guys also talk about millspec plates and how they compare to civilian plates? I tend to think that anything not ceramic is lacking, but I have a friend who works at a body armor manufacturer (Spartan Armor Systems) who told me stuff like modern plastic plates like polyethylene and other composites are perfect for civilian application as they're light and will stop any round you would ever face as a civilian.
As for me, if I were running plates for some reason, I'd still prefer my trusty ceramic plates, which have saved my life at least once from an AK round (7.62x39mm).
UHWMPE is typically used in helmets. The ACH and ECH are made from it, as well as helmets from companies like Ops-Core/Gentex, Team Wendy, and MTEK. Actual UHWMPE plates, GOOD ones that is from companies like First Spear, are rated to level 3 and are incredibly light, as well as being neutrally buoyant making them excellent for maritime ops. UHWMPE plates as a whole do NOT stop AP or steel-core "barrier blind" rounds in their current development, which makes unsafe for military use, but unless you're expecting AP rounds in the civillian world they're a good choice.
@@deejay1534 Good info. I don't mind helmets being made from bulletproof composites and/or polyethylene as taking a rifle round to the head is going to cause you problems whether the helmet stops the bullet or not. I have also heard of UHWMPE plates being buoyant, which yes would make them a good choice for maritime operations. For civilian use, a polyethylene plate sandwiched with other materials is likely going to be more than good enough, while still being much lighter than ceramic. It's simply in a military context, the bad guys, and even some of the good guys, are almost certainly going to be carrying AKM/AK-47s shooting some old and cheap Soviet era steel core ammo. Wearing Level IV plates is just added peace of mind within that context.
I noticed the 548 in the back ground and completely missed half of what you were saying I had to go back I miss my old 548
7,62 Tokarev could've been an interesting test against these plates.
Holy shit these guys have their own channel!!!! I Fucking love these dudes on gameology!
Two videos today from Cam and Izzy (Gameology as well). Great day!
Awesome content guys. Keep it up!
Good Day gentleman
Rifle rated plates next? 3+ through 4, steel vs ceramic as well?
Great vid gents! Mike is the man!
Love the content, keep it up!
You guys should make a collab with demolition ranch!
I wanna see the 3 of you go head on with Force on Force and see who the last man standing is!
the steel plate would've been kool to see it shot near the neck to further evaluate the spalling dangers in regards to the neck. There should be a follow up to this in which you see how many rounds it takes to penetrate lethally
Why are the plates so small? A shot to the guts is still lethal, is there a reason they don't make them wrap around the whole torso instead of just the upper torso?
because that is the place you are most likely to shot in due to it being center mass
Hey izzy its me mark
And for the 500 magnum
They have a huge round for that 700 grain projectile 😳 Kentucky ballistics made a vid about it
Friends dont let friends run steel armor.
Use ceramic plates not steel plates. Unless you want to catch spall in your neck.
Edit: especially if it’s a steel plate rated higher level of protection meant for rifle rounds.
F yeah!!! Shift Fire…. Pew Pew Pew.
Could you buy budget armor and buy or make some kind of foam insert as cheap force mitigation?
Nice preview
yall should do battle belts
Can’t find those Amazon plates
Agreed amazon don't actually sell real ballistic
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In conclusion - if you want to stop deformation due to bullets from a revolver thats bigger than a ranger - go steel?
Never go steel, on top of being substantially heavier it fails to protect against higher threats and the rounds it does stop generate fragmentation. That frag will tear into your arms, groin, and throat. Plates advertised with "Spall coating" are a gimmick and do not hold up.
Hey guys i love yall so much i found both yall from gameology but theres a youtuber u need to check on called Kentucky ballistics especially on his body armor video if u need help finding it i know the video
RMA armament is that medium king not talked about check em out more Leo use them then Mil but they are bang for buck best sapi for lowest price
You boys should go do Gunship Helicopters in Vegas it’s vet owned and badass
I’m new to you guys channel I don’t know if you guys have done it can you guys make a video about glasses sun glasses
should've used gel torsos is my only advice
AR-10s vs AR-15s Maybe?
No where on the battle steel site does it say it comes with 2 plates. 2 plates for 60$ is amazing, but 60$ for 1 is just ok.
Nothing stops the God Caliber .30-06 AP
All NIJ certified Level 4 Armour is rated to stop at least 1 round of .30-06 M2 AP, most can stop a few.
Will it survive that reminds me of will it kill from Forged in fire
I took a round to the plate in Afghanistan 2013 and broke my rib. They'll save your life but it's not a get out of jail free card
You guys are just beautiful people🔫🔥
The guys never left the link to these products.... Come on guys you forgot the most important things here , hopefully it was a light error
You guys should do a colab with Matt over at Demolition Ranch, I'm sure you'd all have fun.
I can’t find any of those plates
Make a video talking about what gun every American should have and price points (one gun at a time or a top 5 list of some sort or one entire video about the different versions of a single gun and price points like one video per gun)
Shift fire vs demolition ranch vs Kentucky ballistics I think we have a mexican standoff on our hands bruvs
More of this 🙌 👌
Unfortunately most mass shootings are done with .223 and these light armor are great for kids, but not for stopping at all.
most shootings are done with handgun rounds, schools are a different matter yea. better to have a gun than a vest then
*most mass shootings the media highlights.* Is what you mean. Factually, most mass shootings happen with handguns.
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ITS NOT SPALDING!! spalding is a basketball, not sure why that bothers me so much
"I consider you an expert in the field of ballistic protection." Sounds like someone watched the Heard-Depp trial lol
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