BAND OF BROTHERS Episode 10: Points - FIRST TIME REACTION
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Fun fact when Winters and Harry Welsh walk into the main building they’re taking silverware. Winters later said he was using the same ones in his kitchen even 60 years later.
That's the good thing about silverware, it lasts forever.
@@joemckim1183 that's odd.... it had the nazi swastika engravings
Called the spoils of war. I would have done the same thing.
@@LeahK2018 can be melted
@@LeahK2018 lol
I fully believe Speirs would have shot that replacement had Grant not survived.
Probably but in terms of what is signifies it's so important he didn't - the fighting is over and he doesn't need to be a merciless killing machine anymore and he makes a choice to let justice take it's course rather than him taking it into his own hands.
Whats amazing is that despite horrific injuries people like Chuck Grant, Toye, Guarnere and most amazingly Tipper survived for 40+ years after the war. When you see Tipper's face and legs when the Mortar goes off as he's clearing the shop in Carentan you simply assume that theres no way he can survive those injuries and yet he had a daughter in 1983 and lived to 2017. Yet someone like Henry Jones (Colin Hanks in ep 8) who you assumed was fine stayed as part of the American detachment in Berlin post war and was killed in a car accident in 47.
He probably would have. Grant was one of his favourites. That being said, if Grant had been killed instantly, the Easy Men probably would have killed him beforehand.
Actually, he definitely would have.
After they caught the guy, Col. Sink came in to demand a report on the situation. After he left, the Easy Company men all asked what had happened.
Speirs said that after he finished explaining the entire story, Sink walked out saying, "I would have shot him."
Just goes to show that Sink had Speirs' back no matter what the outcome was.
@@hellowhat890 - I'm not 100% sure he would have. Most people luckily don't experience the kind of trauma these guys did. What seems to be a consistent thing though is lots of people are desensitised for a period and then when the sustained pressure is released they find it very hard to go back to that. Once someone like Spiers felt the fighting was over (which it was) there is a big difference in how he acted - he became a consummate scrounger as shown with the silver and the old killing machine persona seemed to melt away. There does seem to be a sense of that in the scene where the old cold blooded Spiers would have shot the guy in a heartbeat but that now he simply is over that and killing a man even one as heinous as that one isn't an easy thing now.
Webster wrote that Speirs smashed his face with the butt of a rifle and shouted, “I’ve killed better men than you!”
Everyone always misunderstands the quote at the end. Its not Winter's quote. It was another man of the company who wrote to Winters.
Mike Ranney, the sergeant that was demoted to private in episode 1.
Myron “Mike” Ranney, who jumped on D-Day, was awarded a bronze star for what he did at Brecourt Manor, and jumped into Holland for Market-Garden, is buried at the Golden Gate National Cemetary just off 280, south of San Francisco. His grave is located on the north side of the mound by the entrance. The grave numbering is a little weird but he is there. Stop and say “Currahae” if you can. A short walk away is the grave of Chester Nimitz. A lot of heroes in a small space.
They deliberately only put one name in so shifty could go home. The whole company thought he was the one who deserved to go home the most
It wasn't that he "deserved" to go home - they all did - it was because he had the least amount of points, meaning that by the time he would accrue them he might be dead.
@@DATo_DATonian read what I said. Deserved to go home the most, of course they all did but he had the fewest points etc and it was an unfair system so they rigged it in his favour
@@jameswg13 OK, I see what you're saying and in principle you are right. Like Lipton said in the episode about Carantan after the battle was over: a lot more of them would have been killed by the German sniper if it wasn't for Shifty taking him out. Shifty certainly deserved a break but that doesn't mean that the points system was "unfair". They had to have SOME way of determining who deserved to go home the most and it was determined by what they had gone through - number of wounds was one of the ways. Shifty was never wounded. Remember what Popeye said about Blythe to the guy in the bed next to him with three Purple Hearts? - "And he (meaning Blythe) only gets one." That isn't fair either but Blythe only got hit once and the other guy had gotten hit three times. Even though he was in better shape at the time than Blythe he still deserved the three medals because the wounds were received in three different actions.
When I was in school there were some kids who could just memorize stuff perfectly and then put it down on the tests. They weren't necessarily more intelligent, they could just memorize well. That wasn't fair either, but how else can the school determine your grade point average? The points system in WWII was something like that. I suppose you could say that it was ONE way to determine who got to go home even though it was flawed in some respects.
And got in a bad car wreck on his way out and had to stay months in a hospital. Had most of his belongings stolen while recovering.
@@DATo_DATonian dead! 😂why would he be dead, if he would’ve died if he didn’t leave, it would be something unfortunate, don’t know how he could get 15 points I think it was seeing as the war in Europe was over but he wouldn’t stay for 15 more months because each month you were there, was 1 point awarded
I actually had the honor of getting to meet Dick Winters before he passed away. The airport near me has a World War II weekend every year, at which he once appeared. I had the opportunity to meet him and shake his hand! What an amazing moment!
Winters didn’t want to go to the pacific exactly. He just knew it was inevitable that he would be ordered there. So he just Wanted to speed up the process and go right away to get it over with
Don't forget Ep 11 'We Stand Alone Together ' the complete interviews. It'll tie it all together with a nice little bow.
Really suggest this Liiv. Especially once you are invested in their stories it gives you a complete inside view of the real men.
I've never seen this and I've watched the series multiple times..where can I find ep 11?!
@@madbananaclips7537 It's not really an "episode" . They released a full length documentary after the series with real footage and talking to the real men who were portrayed in the show. Just search for "Band of Brothers documentary". It's actually very emotional as well, get ready!
@@madbananaclips7537 You can find it here on You Tube. Also, there's another 'reactor' on YT called Reel History. He actually gives historical break downs of each episode and also wrote a book called 'Hang Tough'. He researched the hell out of all this. Very informative stuff.
Spielberg and Tom Hanks have just started filming another series about the bomber crews in WW2
I cannot wait for that one. Its been teased and on and off for almost a decade now. Im glad Apple tv finally picked it up. cant believe HBO didnt go for it
Really!? And I just finished A Higher Call by Adam Makos last week. Great timing to get excited for a miniseries about the WW2 airforce efforts.
@@SefniAsheforr It's called Masters of the Air and is an upcoming war drama miniseries based on the actions of the Eighth Air Force of the United States Army Air Forces during World War II.
Memphis Belle is one of my most favourite films.
I hope they mention the story of "Ye Olde Pub" at some point, just such an amazing story
People have already mentioned, but when you've moved in to occupy enemy territory, pulling the troops out immediately risks a lot of dangers.
Lack of stability, possible resurgence of the losing forces, the fears of the Soviet Union moving westward. The point system is more of a privilege reward than a right to return until things stabilize.
Of course the soldiers would be rotated and eventually sent home, but with the cold war, more American soldiers would be stationed in West Germany for decades to come, alongside the West German forces.
Janovec had more of an effect on Webster then what was shown in the series. Janovec was the soldier that Webster was closest to in the company and was someone that he considered a good friend, beyond just a comrade. Webster was out for a walk when Janovec was hurt and when someone found him and told him about it, they only told him that he'd been hurt. Webster then ran all the way back to town, before catching a ride to the Aid Station that he was told Janovec was at. Once there he was lead into a room and shown Janovec's body. Webster hit the bottle pretty hard after this and became desperate to go home, but ended up being the last of the original Toccoa trained men to be sent home.
Also, they toned down some of the shenanigans got up to in Berchtesgaden. The town was deserted meaning that the men had almost free reign over it. So when any of the men wanted to go anywhere, they'd just end up taking the abandoned cars that were left around the town, including in one instance a group of men joy riding in the town's Fire Engine. Speirs actually managed to find Hermann Goering’s luxury Mercedes car, which he took as his own personal ride... until a General spotted it and told him to hand it over. Speirs said he'd bring it to the General later that evening. Speirs then gathered some Easy Company men in a field, parked the Mercedes in front of them, then unloaded his tommy gun into it, telling the men to do the same, because if he couldn't have the car, neither could the General.
The drunken Private, Floyd Craver was sentenced to life in prison following a trial in Sept 1945.
Craver was apprehended around midnight by members of Easy Company, allegedly attempting to rape a local girl. He was brought back to their HQ and beaten unconscious. Grant's good friend Hank Hansen aimed a gun at Craver's face, and it took 4 men to haul him away. He pulled the trigger but the gun didn't fire.
The Speirs scene in the Band of Brothers miniseries, where he pistol-whips Craver and says "When you talk to an officer, you say Sir" apparantly did happen, but Speirs says that at the time "there must have been some doubt in my mind" as to whether they had caught the right man, and that was why he didn't shoot him there and then, as "summary action never troubled me".
Craver was handed over to the regimental guardhouse, and was again beaten. He spent 3 months in hospital and then was held in the division stockade. He managed to escape on 8 September but was caught the next day and returned.
He was convicted of 2 accounts of murder, 1 attempted murder, and desertion. He was sentenced to a dishonorable discharge and life imprisonment. He died in 1987.
Grant was saved by an Austrian brain surgeon. He recovered, but always had trouble with speech and partial paralyis of his left arm. He owned a tobacco store in San Francisco with his wife and passed away in 1984.
They were still at war with Japan during most of this episode
85 points were needed to return home early. Points were accrued from:
Time in combat
Years of service
Medals won
The War in Europe ended in May 1945, the War in the Pacific raged until September 1945.
Well, there was *that* Japanese guy who hid in the jungle until 1972...
@@NSUSashiel huh!?
@@rhysevans4253 Hiroo Onoda was his name.
@@NSUSashiel On Guam I believe
@@alanholck7995yes it was either he or some other guys that were in the Philippines that stayed on duty. Some Japanese stayed on duty from the 50s up until the 70s. It's crazy to me. Worse, a lot of the locals did not like them because sometimes they ended up hurting and killing locals out of Duty or to get supplies.
At 9:50, look at Spiers holding that wounded soldier's hand. For all his toughness, he loves his men.
All the time some new detail in this series, never catched that
RE 11:30 "Why aren't they being sent home?" The US was still at war with Japan. If Easy Company was going anywhere, it would be the Pacific Theatre of Operations. That's why Winters was finding cushy assignments for all the veterans - so if Easy was deployed back into the war, the vets would all have jobs elsewhere.
Please watch the “Pacific” next please you’ll enjoy it as well
Here's to the men who never made it home. Let us never forget their heroism and sacrifice.
“Happy tears” for me to every time Winters tells that story.
You Rock! 🤟🥩
Yep, Eagle's Nest still exists and you can visit it. It's now a restaurant/beer garden.
Yup. Visited there as a twenty-something in 2003 and again as a thirty-something in 2015. Berchtesgaden is beautiful, but with haunting past. Lots of emotion.
a beer garden? i did nazi that coming
Yup. Went up the elevator. And also went up the passage on the side. Exhausting
One of the best shows of all time! The fact that Easy Company was there through it all, From Normandy all the way to the eagle's nest. An amazing story.
winters was trying to send people home to save there lives they was training for the pacific theater while in Austria they had VE day victory in Europe but the war in the pacific was still raging and please react to the next episode kind of it was a documentary called " We Stand Alone Together " its all the veterans telling there stories
Isn't it just the most amazing miniseries ever? I saw it when it was airing in 2001, with a rewatch almost once a year, always discovering new things in it.
I hope you get through it at least once more, discovering new things as well.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
Gosh, that last quote gets me every time.
Thanks to that generation we live free today. We must never forget.
I have a strange tradition. Every year during the holiday season I watch this series. It actually started when my Sister was in town, and I just got the Blueray version so we watched it. I kept watching it yearly. One of my favorite shows ever.
If you decide to watch the Pacific, which a few reviewers seem to do, keep one thing in mind. It is a different war, and intense in a way BoB was not. I do highly recommend it. A few of the Pacific's veterans went one to write books (but not spoiling who).
9 September 2021 will be 20 years when this miniseries was released.
Wow, I have exactly the same tradition since i'm 16, 9 years since.
You might consider reacting to "Pacific". It is less individual and quite a bit tougher, but it is a very clear depiction of the campaign to take the war to the Japanese. A less stressful series is the one season space cowboy show "Firefly". It is a Joss Whedon show with quite a following. Most of the fans have never forgiven Fox for ending it after one season and the uproar was so intense that they had to produce a full length movie two years after the series ended. The characters definitely draw you in and make you care about them.
One last time, Liiv, you take us with you through the emotions of it all. "Happy sad" is how my late wife used to refer to the tears that fall when emotions are mixed from good things arising from bad causes. And now I shed a few of my own in memory of her ... eight years and more and still it is no easier.
The Eagles Nest does still exist . Ironically Hitler did not like going there as he had a fear of heights . It was commissioned as a birthday present for Hitler by his private secretary Martin Bormann . It is now a Restaurant, beer garden and tourist attraction . Hitlers house the Berghof was not too far away and was badly damaged in an air raid . The remains of the house were demolished . The leading figures in the Nazi regime all had houses in the area around the town of Berchtesgaden .
This was so fun to watch. A few answers to some questions -
The war wasn't over - The allies were still fighting the Japanese who would NOT surrender. They planned to fight to the last man, woman or child and die for their emperor, so everyone in the company was preparing to get flown to Asia. The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki prevented any more allied troops and Japanese people from having to risk their lives as Japan then unconditionally surrendered.
The points system was designed so those veterans that had already given so much could get honorably discharged and go home. The military had just hastily put it together and ended up revising it multiple times as it didn't seem to make much sense and was unfair to those that made it the whole way through the war without an injury despite their combat record.
Hitler killed himself in his bunker in Berlin when the Soviets closed in. When the allies arrived the Soviets didn't want to give up their territory so Germany was split in two and the Cold War began. The Berlin Wall was soon erected and East Germany, Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria and Romania had to endure tyranny until the Soviet Union collapsed around 1990.
The random man that was killed by the soldiers - There was a standing order for everyone to hunt Nazi officers if they came across any of them. It's up to the audience to decide if the right thing happened during that scene.
The reason he allowed the German colonel to keep his side arm is because he wasn't defeated in battle but turned himself in at the end of the war by order. If you are defeated you turn over your weapon to an officer who defeated you in battle.
You probably already know this, but in actuality Winters took the "Major's" sidearm, and looked at the bullet tracing of the gun. Upon looking he found out it was never used once.
@@emperornguyen Nope. All such weapons were test fired in the factory before being sent out. So, that is incorrect.
@@protonneutron9046 hmmm perhaps
It just seemed weird for Winters to say that in an interview if that were the case
@@emperornguyen Well, to tell the truth using lead ammo a pistol can be cleaned so that one cannot tell if its been fired using only the Mark 1 eyeball. I couldn't tell with the last pistol I purchased even though I know it was fired at the factory before shipment.
@@protonneutron9046 that's very neat
Thanks for the firearms education
I bought this series when it came out and iv watched it countless times since, never fails to move me, brings tears to my eyes. Quite possibly the best series on the subject ever made. I hope to enjoy it for many more years to come.
It's important to keep in mind that even though the Germans surrendered, the Japanese were still fighting. So Easy Company was training in Europe biding time until they received orders to go fight the Japanese. That's why everyone was trying to get the veterans to go home...so they wouldn't be killed in the Pacific after having already gone through so much. In the end, Japan surrendered before the order came, so Easy made it home.
The Eagle's Next does still exist. It is a historical education center operated by the German -- I was typing this as you were talking about Austria and typed "Austrian" heh -- government that teaches about the evils of the Hitler and the Nazi regime. Its a fascinating and horrifying place, because it pulls no punches at all. There's also a small cafe that makes absolutely amazing sandwiches. (And yes, I have been: I have an advanced degree in history and the best way to learn history is go to where it happened.
Hitler wasn't at his home, but in a bunker in Berlin when he committed suicide.
As far as the points, officially called the 'Adjusted Service Rating Score', it was a system implemented by the US toward the end of the war to start rotating troops home. An individual had to accrue 85 points to be sent home.
The 4 criteria to earn points were 1 point per number of months of service since Semptember 1940.
1 additional point per month served over seas.
5 points were earned per combat award, such as a Purple Heart, Bronze Star, etc.
And finally, you could earn 12 points if you had a child under 18 back home per child. IE 3 kids, 36 points.
So, as Webster alludes to, most of the Easy Company Veterans were probably sitting around high 70's to low 80's for points.
The Eagles Nest still exists. You can visit. Highly recommend. You go up in the gold-plated elevator.
"You salute the rank not the man"
My favorite quote
@@Kaffemosterful Suck on that Sobel, He's so bitter but it was deserved.
Liv, I suggest that you watch The Cold Blue (2018). It is a documentary about American bomber crews and their terrifying daylight air missions over Europe in WW2 with real life interviews similar to those in Band of Brothers. Although most of Easy company is gone now, their are still Allied veterans living right now that put it all on the line for our freedom.
The USAAF had the highest casualty rate of all the various branches. My father served in the AAF during the War, and I lost an uncle who was a pilot who was shot down "somewhere over the Pacific"
Most of the men in Easy Company had signed up at the beginning of the War and signed duration of conflict papers, so they would serve till the war ended. Once the war in Europe ended they were then stuck waiting to see if they would be re-deployed to the Pacific, specifically for the expected ultimate invasion of the Japanese Islands (which the nuclear bombs negated). The powers that be recognised that this was not ideal, and developed a scheme to "reward" those soldiers who had been determined to have sacrificed the most, the points system, where points were accrued for time served, time on the frontline (combat) and recognised commendations (medals, including notably the Purple Heart awarded to men who sustained injuries in an active theatre), as seen many veteran Easy men did not quite have the requisite points for discharge of service early. Winter's requested transfer because he wanted to get the process over with and (knowing that the Pacific had to date no major Airborne operations and recognising the value of training to survival) he wanted to make sure that if he did parachute into Japan his men would be as well prepared as possible. Additionally throughout this episode you see the efforts of officers to get men they felt deserved a break as far away from active service as possible and that a lot of frustrated, well armed men (some veterans with mental trauma and some new replacements disappointed they arrived at the end of the war but were still stuck away from home) caused trouble. In the end a superb ending to an exceptional series.
I’ve seen B.O.B. at least 20 times. the last 15 minutes makes me cry every time!
The scenes in the German and Austrian Alps were actually filmed in the Bernese Oberland of Switzerland near where I live...
When I was in stationed in Germany with the U.S. Army I spent quite a bit of time in Bavaria ( one of the most beautiful places on Earth ) and got to go to the Eagles Nest ( yes it's still there ) kinda of a scary bus ride to the top but what a view.
If you ever get a chance you should definitely check it out , Its absolutely beautiful. Something you'll never forget.
Such a good episode as well, esp when they reveal who the veterans were before the intros for each episode. When I was in basic for the army, they had a field day celebration and I got a signed photograph of 2 soldiers who served in Easy CO, Forrest Guth and Walter Gordon. Walter was Floyd Talberts best friend and the photo has Floyd in it
Hi Liv! The US instituted the Points System to rotate older veterans with children home while keeping others in their units. For Easy Company, 506th Regiment, 101st Airborne Division, this was because they were one of the units picked to head to the Pacific in late 1945 to get ready to invade Japan.
Length of service= 1 point per month of service
Overseas credit= another 1 point per month spent overseas
Parenthood credit= 12 points per child below 18 years old
Medals and Commendations (including Purple Hearts)= 5 points per award
At the end of the war in Europe the gov't had to come up with a system to determine an order to who got sent home when. A point system was established based on length of service, combat awards, wounded or not, etc.
Would you do The Pacific?
The point system, called the Adjusted Service Rating Score, had the objective of achieving equity in the demobilization. Soldiers were given one point for each month of military service and one additional point was given for each month of overseas service. Each battle star or decoration earned a soldier 5 points.
The Army had over a million people in Europe at the end of the war, they couldn't just magically transport them all home at the snap of a finger. They also had to have enough manpower to handle the occupation of Europe, the Axis countries specifically and to provide a barrier to prevent the Soviets from simply overrunning the entire continent. So, the points thing was a way to prioritize who could go home first, they got points for things like time served in the army, in combat, medals earned, wounds, etc.
Such a genuine and heartfelt reaction. I'm glad we get to take part of this journey with you! 😊
So, dear Liiv, all the rest of your days, you will know there are many amazing stories from WWII.
Thanks for sharing. Your review of this series was great.
As a WWII history enthusiast, it is heart warming to see people learn these stories.
Keep up the great work. 👍🌻
'We few, we happy few, we band of brothers' is one of the well-known lines from the rousing St. Crispin's Day Speech given by the king in Shakespeare's Henry V.
Henry was exhorting his men to greater valour and toward a famous victory against the French at the Battle of Agincourt 5,000 English defeating a much larger force of 25,000 French. There is a performance of this by Kenneth Branagh that`s quite moving th-cam.com/video/bvFHRNGYfuo/w-d-xo.html
Soldiers would earn 1 point for each month of military service. Plus, an additional point for each month of service overseas. Each battle star or decoration was worth 5 points.
Winters actually kept the Colonel's pistol. He examined it sometime after the war and found it had never been found.
the last living member of the Band of Brothers died July 2022.
you can find extended interviews with Winters and other members on TH-cam.
4:10 The scenes were shot in Switzerland, in and near the village of Brienz in the Bernese Oberland, and at the nearby Hotel Giessbach.
The points system was used to determine who could go home and who had to either stay in Europe or transfer to the Pacific (the war over there lasted until August 1945). The points were determined based on length of service, time in combat, medals/commendations, and whether they had any children.
@5:38 "Why would they have to stay and train?" - Because only Germany has surrendered. For the US, the War in the Pacific against Japanese forces is still ongoing (at this moment). Points were awarded for time in service, injuries, commendations received, etc.
The Eagles Nest still exists, you can get a day trip up to it from Salzburg in Austria.
there wasn't enough transport available to just send people home en mass. A division of men was 10,000 - 15,000 men. Without any equipment it takes MANY troop ships for just those men. There were a couple million in Europe. Most stayed until August or September 1945.
Movie recommondation:
Act of Valor
(Most of the actors in this movie are actually really navy seals)
TH-cam Video recommondation:
The First Metal of Honor Ever Recorded
(Real video of hero in action)
The “Eagle’s Nest” (Kehlsteinhaus) still exists. Have visited twice, ‘05 and ‘15, respectively. Berchtesgaden is a beautiful place. For all it’s dark history, the man had taste.
They were finding different ways to send people home because the 101st Airborne as well as many other combat divisions that fought in Europe were slated to be redeployed to the Pacific for the planned invasion of Japan which would have been much larger and much bloodier than the Normandy invasion. One of the many reasons that invading Japan would have been an absolute bloodbath is the fact that Japanese soldiers fought to the death with very few of them surrendering. When the army and marines invaded the islands in the Pacific the usually had to kill every last Japanese soldier on every island they landed on. Most combat veterans figured that their luck would run out and they would be killed if they had to invade Japan. The war was expected to go on for another two years. Nobody had any idea of the development of the atomic bombs that would bring an early end to the war. That's why they were trying to come up with creative ways to send people home or to reassign them to noncombat units.
The Eagle’s nest still exists and you can visit. I believe it’s open seasonally as a restaurant, beer garden and tourist site.
I guess it was because you talked in the middle of it, but the points system was because the war was still not over in Japan.
I know, past like episode 7 I found that she spent more time talking than actually listening to the film, quite annoying but oh well
Some of Hitler's hand towels, his bathroom mirror from his apt. in Munich and even one of his capes is available to see at one of the most underrated military museums in the world at the 45th Infantry Museum in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. No, I am not a Nazi sympathizer in shape, form, or fashion if you are wondering.
You couldn't ask for a better ending for the best series ever made.
Winters' last words and the way hr delivers them gets me every single time, no matter how many times I see it.
According to the U.S. Army, Berchtesgaden and the Obersalzberg were liberated by the 3rd Infantry Division, specifically the 7th Infantry Regiment, on May 4, 1945.
From the National WW2 Museum:
_The 101st wasn’t the only Allied division ordered to take the town, Gen. LeClerc’s French 2nd Armored Division had orders as well, and was advancing alongside the 101st. Operating in nearby Salzburg, Austria was the US 3rd Infantry Division. Acting on their own initiative, and without orders from SHAEF, the 7th Infantry Regiment from the 3rd ID was also making a dash for Berchtesgaden. The race was on._
_The 7th Infantry Regiment of the US 3rd Infantry Division got there first at about 1600 on the afternoon of May 4. They took Berchtesgaden without firing a shot. While the 7th Regiment fanned out through town, a platoon advanced up the mountain to Obersalzberg. When they arrived at the Berghof, Hitler’s home, they discovered the entire area was heavily damaged by a bombing raid conducted by the RAF on April 25._
_Even though the buildings in the area were largely destroyed, the men discovered well stocked pantries, still intact, that contained enormous amounts of liquor, wines, cheese, and canned foods. The 3rd ID men popped a few corks and drank in the ruins of the Berghof before heading back down to Berchtesgaden._
Thank you for watching Band of Brothers and sharing your reaction. You watched a dramatization of the best of America. My parents generation was the generation that fought WW II. If you are ever inclined to think bad of America please remember Dick Winters and EASY Company and think better of us. Again, thank you.
Sweetie, there's another series that focuses on the war in the Pacific, if you'd be interested in checking that one out too! I love watching your reactions! God bless!!
"Sweetie?"
Try and get more creepy, weirdo . . .
@@rollomaughfling380 It's just a friendly way to address someone I take to have a sweet personality.
That quote from major winners at the end was from a letter one of his men sent him many years later. From what I understand he actually had that letter framed.
The Eagle's Nest is now a restaurant with an outdoor beer garden, apparently. I had to look that up myself.
This episode was shot at Brienzersee in Switserland.
I have nothing to add to the other comments, they said what needed to be said. Personally speaking, having seen many reactors cover this series, Liiv did very well. And watching episodes 6 (Bastogne), 7 (Breaking Point) and 9 (Why we fight) has not gotten easier over time. On a puzzling note (to me), I found it interesting that Liiv never seemed to refer to the Allies (including Britain, her place of residence) as "us", as in us vs. them.
Quick answer about the eagle's nest. Yes it's still there to this day. I was able to go see it in 2017 when my unit was deployed throughout Europe
12:05 This was a call back to the first episode. When Sobel lost command of the company and was being driven away, he passed Winters and Winters saluted him (Sobel still outranked him at this time) but Sobel never returned the salute as is protocol.
Hello Liiv,
The reasons for the point system were these:
1. It was a method of phasing men back into civilian life so that the whole lot would not tank an economy that was yet on a war-footing. The men had to have jobs to go back to and it would take time to switch to a peace-time economy.
2. Europe was in shambles, especially Germany. You needed to have experienced personnel to take over the security and convert the country back to civilian life.
3. The experienced personnel that remained would be able to train the fresh replacements that had not fought the war first-hand.
4. There was a recognition that the relationship with the Soviet Union was destabilizing and the Western powers, for fear of a potential invasion by a powerful Soviet army into Western Europe was a possibility.
5. The point system was for the entire United States military, so those that fought in the Pacific had similar grand-scale issues to deal with as Europe.
This is by no means a comprehensive list, but it does cover the basics as to why a point system was utilized.
I enjoyed your reactions very much...thanks!
thank you for this! :)
Band of Brothers is without a doubt one of the most real things I've ever watched. There isn't a soul on this earth I wouldn't recommend watching it. I never cry during shows/films, but I cried at the end of this series. I've never seen characterization done better than in this series, and it trumps the feel and emotion that any single film could emulate. God bless the men of the 501st and all men and women who served in WW2.
We are still in Germany I spent three and a half years there.
Hitler's main residence was in Berlin. He rarely stayed at the Eagle's Nest as he hated heights, as mentioned in the episode. He only really used it once in a while to host social gatherings. The building is still in use today, as a restaurant.
Hitler killed himself in the Führerbunker, his underground bunker located in Berlin only a couple of hundred yards away from the Reichstag, the official parliament building.
The reason the members of Easy had to stay and train was that it was fully expected that they were going to be shipped off and redeployed to the Pacific. The War had been won in Europe, but the war against Japan was still going on.
The Eagles Nest is still there, it's a restaurant and beer garden.
I had a great time visiting the Eagles Nest in 2017, plus other locations Easy Company set foot.
They were keeping the ones that did not have enough points there on training standby because the US was also at with Japan at the same time. The ones who did not have enough points were going to end up being sent to Japan. Ultimately, however, the US dropped the atomic bomb on Japan thus ending the war and allowing all of them to go home.
I know everybody else mentioned it but they did it for a reason I need to watch the documentary we stand alone together. It contains full interviews with all of the men of easy. If you get a chance to visit Normandy I highly recommend it. There's also a statue and monument of Dick Winters at Sainte Marie Du Mont You should visit. I really enjoyed watching you take this journey. All young people should watch this so no one forgets the sacrifice. not just the men from easy company but all the men and women and all the services, American, English, Canadian, French, Dutch, Russian and all the people in the resistance. That literally saved the world. ❤️💚☘️
The Eagles' Nest in Berchtesgaden, Germany, was not Hitler's house. His house was further down in the valley and known as the Berghof. It was shot to pieces by the end of the war, and eventually demolished in the 1950's. The Eagles Nest was intended as a private retreat for Hitler to entertain guests, and cost a fortune drawn from Nazi Party dues. Hitler, who was afraid of heights, only visited it about a dozen times in all. The place still exists, and is a tourist attraction. I visited it myself (and rode up in the gold-plated elevator), and it's often used for films about Hitler, even if it would be inaccurate to portray him there, as it's an authentic Nazi location still standing.
The way the points system works is like this
You need 85 points to go home
Every month of service, you get 1 point
Every medal you get, 5 points
High medals like silver star or above. This includes Distinguished Service Medal and Legion of Merit, 15 points
Webster was 4 points short
Points were awarded according to the following formula:
- One point for each month in service in the Army
- One additional point for each month in service overseas
- Five points for each campaign
- Five points for a medal for merit or valor (Silver Star for example)
- Five points for a purple heart (awarded to all soldiers who were wounded in action)
- Twelve points for each dependent child up to three dependent children
- 85 Points to be discharged from Service.
Winters did keep the pistol that the German officer offered and upon further investigation he found the pistol had never been fired and he felt that that was the way all wars should end, without blood on it
The points system was because everybody wanted to go home but they still needed an army to occupy Germany for the next few years, also even at this stage the US and UK didn't necessarily trust the Russians. So the longer you've been in the army and the more battles you fought in the more points you you had so the guys who been through the worst would get to go home. And as for how long they'll be there technically the US has never left.
What's funny is that they started the war with Winters as just a Lt. Then was a Capt. and then a Major and Lt. Col. and Sobble is still just a Captain. Lmao
Enjoy your reactions, the point system was based off months of service, campaigns fought, medals, etc. It helped in rotating the soldiers home. Also some good videos to see on Easy Company is, "Steven Spielberg On Tom Hanks And The Real BAND OF BROTHERS" also,: "Band of Brothers - Emmy Awards Ceremony", both on TH-cam.
There is a video of 2002's Emmy Awards Show with Band of Brothers winning best outstanding directing for Drama and Mini-series. Winters joined Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg onstage accepting on behalf for his men, then surviving members of 506th Easy Company who were in a hotel nearby watching him accepting the Emmy. Everyone at the show did standing ovation for the greatest generation who defeated a madman.
Video quality is pretty poor... but still...
th-cam.com/video/jcdXrrjR90A/w-d-xo.html
The reason they weren't all sent home was 4 fold:
1 it took the best part of 2 years to get everyone from the usa to europe. Getting all the gear and men back was a large task.
2 they were needed to maintain order and assist after the collapse of the 3rd reich.
3 the war in the pacific was still raging and it was not sure how many more men would go on to the far east fronts.
4 the threat of the soviet union and their effective annex of eastern europe was worrisome. Maintaining a large presence was useful to deter the soviets from pushing westwards.
2:31 Hitler committed suicide in his bunker in Berlin. You should watch the 2004 German movie "Der Untergang" (released as "Downfall" in English). It's a drama that portrays the final days of him and his inter circle during the final days leading up to his suicide and the German army's surrender. It also shows the perspective of his civilian secretary and civilians in the besieged Berlin.
Thank you for reacting to this Liiv! If you wish to see another time period and great movie, We Were Soldiers is a very good movie. I know I recommended it on your twitch, but I hope you eventually get to it.
This a fantastic miniseries, as others have said watch The Pacific at some point, to other movies I would suggest are Hacksaw Ridge and Black Hawk Down, tough movies, but great movies, cheers from Australia 🇦🇺
You should do the documentary we stand alone together
If you get the chance, watch What Dreams May Come with Robin Williams (one of his few serious roles). The music was done by Michael Kamen, the same composer for Band of Brothers, so beautiful.
The war was not over. Japan was still fighting. They even showed a news real stating that fact.
The 101st would have been shipped out to the Pacific for an invasion of Japan if they did not surrender.
If that happened I do not think any of the men would have survived, that did not get discharged due to points, or as a reward like Shifty.
The house with all the liquor wasn't another of Hitler's, it was Herman Goering's house. Also, I know someone probably already told you, but Winters actually did accept the gun from the surrendering officer. He found out it had never been fired and he made sure it remained that way the rest of his life. I hope his family donated it to a museum, or has plans to open a museum dedicated to Easy where it can be displayed and remain unfired forever.
I think I heard that the last member of Easy Company died just a few months ago. I don't know if that is 100% true, but remember that this series is 20 years old and they were all in their 70's or 80's by then, already, so it is very likely true. The world feels a bit dimmer without those men in it.
Not sure if you've watched The Pacific. It's the same people who made Band Of Brothers. And there's making another show called Masters Of The Air.
Have you seen/reacted to "Saving Private Ryan"? It is a movie not to be missed in the war genre. Also, "Platoon" a rather dark, gritty Vietnam era movie which is excellent, really classic, plus "Black Hawk Down", based on a true more modern day story and very well done.
The last part chokes me up everytime
I don’t know where they filmed this episode but I have been to Bavaria several times and it is as beautiful as portrayed in the episode, if not more. Living in Germany for 2 1/2 years, I gotta say Germany is one of the most most countries in the world ❤😊