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Purchasing LED or Fluorescent Grow-Lights - Kelvin & Lumen Scales: Starting Vegetables Seeds Indoors
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ธ.ค. 2019
- The bottom line for successful seed starts is the right amount of light. Kelvin refers to the type of light and Lumens refers to brightness. I explain in detail what numbers you want when buying your lights. In short a Kelvin Rating of 5000-6500K and a Lumens Rating over 2000. It isn't easy to find the exact numbers. I discuss the ranges you can use.
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thanks for this! it makes it really simple!
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Great video! This will greatly assist my transition from simply a TH-cam gardener to both a TH-cam gardener and plant salesman
LED lights are great for this. Good luck.
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Thank you Gary for the in depth video. I have been gardening my whole life in one way or the other. These steps are crucial that no one talks about. Great options.
Thanks so much and there are sooooo many ways to garden.
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Thank you for sharing everything including the part with no cord! So very helpful!
Glad to share
I switched from regular florescent lights to the LED lights that are shown here.
I start seeds hydroponically. Plants went Crazy ! Three to four weeks ahead of schedule,
Actually too good. I had problems transferring them to cups. Anyone else experience this ?
Love all your videos, many many Thanks !!
Good issue to have. They really bring the light intensity and cost less to run
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Thank you sir for these excellent videos. This one on lights was super helpful. My first time starting seed and everything is leggggy! Zone 4b. Picked up some slim LED lights at Walmart for about $16.50 a piece. Am also planning to get several copies of your book for myself and fellow gardeners.
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Gary !!!!! Hands down you are the GOD of gardening !!!! 🔥🔥🔥
Very kind and appreciated
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I can wait to get started. Thank you Gary for all your knowledge. We appreciate all your hard work. Happy Gardening folks.
Very glad to share. Good luck with it!
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Gary, I have been binge-watching your videos for the past week since I found you. You are my go-to person for all things gardening. I just got a hyper tough light in 3200 lumens. Will that be enough for my pepper seedlings? Thank you for inspiring me to start a garden!
Thank you for the informative videos they help so much. God bless your family and everyone
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My grow table is small. Only two tiered. But, the lights (unmovable) are too far away at first. I use upside down produce boxes like you get at Costco to raise them up to the light until they get big enough. Those produce boxes are great for that. Saved me a lot of trouble finding books and stuff to stack to get them close to the light. Hope this helps someone.
Perfect. If you cant lower, raise the tray.
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This is a great explanation of the lighting system! Thank you!
Thanks so much. I have some new videos on it now that LEDs are some much cheaper.
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I just bought 4 ft. led grow lights with the colored bulbs :-/ but after watching your video I checked, and it also has 6500 kelvin. I hope these will still work for germination. If not I can still use my old 4 ft. florescent bulbs I have used for years. Thanks for this video -- I learned a lot.
They do work. If it was a fair price thats cool. Sometimes they just charge a lot. Good luck.
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I am thinking 2020!
I bought LED shop lights after watching your video on it a couple years back. Couldn't find the Kelvin units on the box but they sure are bright and have worked very well for me with starts. Timers take out all the work involved, except for watering of course. Wish there were as inexpensive in Canada as they are in the US. Definitely shop lights are less $$$ than grow lights! Thanks for the info.
Glad it worked. I am getting some prop plants started now for videos.
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Those are the same shop lights I have been using for my grow station since last year. That is awesome. Thanks for sharing.
Good luck this year!
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Last year I made the same mistake with a light that didn’t have a plug! Christmas time and shortly after is a great time to get a good deal on timers.
I like going the first week of Jan. So much goes on sale.
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The Kelvin is on the side of the box on the one you bought at Walmart it is 5000k as well.
Thanks for sharing.
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I have been using the hyper tough lights from wal mart for the last 2 years and have fantastic results.
Thanks
Thank you! Are they expensive?
@@Sg4809 around 20 dollars.
Awesome. I’m trying the same for the first time.
@@ah3ll0 I think you will have good results as well.
You literally have a video for everything I need! I just love your videos! I'm growing flowers and vegetables. Might do a dry-run in december to make sure what I setup works.
I do LOL. Ill be doing a new indoor growing series this year.
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As always, very informative. I look forward to the rest of this series. Thanks for sharing!
More to come. Just getting the set up and materials ready first.
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It is amazing how many grow lights are sold just indicating wattage, but not kelvins or lumens
Yep. It can be hard to find.
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Last year, I rearranged furniture, so I could have full access to the picture window in my livingroom. I have no shed or basement. So shelving with lights will totally upgrade my seed starting capability.
Good luck.
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Thank you so much for the info. very helpful!
Glad to share.
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Thanks for the valuable info!
I am a gardening newbie who bought a new house last year with a greenhouse (lucky me). Not knowing much about gardening, I made every mistake possible the first year. This year, I am going to follow your plan exactly. I am in Zone 6 so will start seedlings shortly. I bought my shelving at IKEA and the lights at Home Depot. I just wanted to point out that Home Depot sells the exact setup you recommend and markets them as “grow lights.” They do not disclose the kelvins or lumens and they cost 3x more than the exact same lighting (with the kelvins and lumens disclosed). I opted against buying the “grow lights” and bought the fixtures and bulbs you recommended. I also wanted to say that I almost made the same mistake as you in buying a fixture that had to be hardwired (no plug). Reviewers had bought them specifically for grow lights and were upset that there was no plug, so I hope your viewers paid attention to that part of this video. THANK YOU for this amazing content. I will be watching your series in full.
Cool on the greenhouse. And making mistakes means you got started and congrats on that. For transplants, those are you need. Good luck this year. You should have fun
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Gary, walmart sells 7 ft medium extension Cards for around $7.
Cut the female end off the extension cord then wire to light.
I did exactly that.
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From Home Depot I put together the following and has worked great for three years now now.
I ordered from HDepot Feit Ecobulb Daylight ESL40TN/D. It is 6500 Kelvin and 2800 Lumens. Put them inside the 10 in. clamp light and they work great for small spaces. Only 40 watt and no heat at all from the lights so no burning of seedlings. I keep lamps at 4 inches above top of seedlings. Will cover 4 tomato seedlings for 6 weeks. Hope this helps you guys that have very little space like me. Don't forget the timer..
Pefect. True to the timer.
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Good luck.
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Thank you for this info, very useful!!!
Glad to share
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I went from flourescent shoplights to 5000 lumens/6500k led lights. Still trying to figure out a good distance from the plants. With my flourescents I always kept them a few inches off the plant tops. Definitely a learning curve with Led's, already fried a few seedlings...
You are probably in the 4-6 inch range. But it is an experiment.
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I just got to 4:05 and wanted to stop and make sure everyone knew that the Walmart LED kit you picked up does actually list the color temp at 5000k, under specifications. I bought this set sometime around Halloween and had to do a double-take at the checked out because I first believed that was a reprint of the lumen rating and wasn't sure it was enough to flower without a halogen supplement. Anyway...back to the video!
OH thanks. I am a bit blind Id say. 5000k and 5000 Lumens is great for 24 bucks. Thanks again.
Sure thing! Also, regarding your comment on age, you really can't be very old. You look younger than me and I was born in '74.
Really glad you did this video. I was worried I jumped the gun, but I want to try and get a (Mammoth) Jalapeno-Cubanelle F-1 before the last frost. Now I'm feeling more confident. Thanks!
At 14:38 you mention not really needing the blue and red (blurple) LEDs everyone always seems to be raving about and I'm really glad you did. I've had everything from Alysum to Habaneros flower under four 6500k 2900 lumen T-8s. The only problem is with fruiting. That's where the halogen bulb comes in.
You also want a high CRI number (Color rendering index. It was shown in the Philips bulbs at 2:49) It tells you how accurate the light output is. Fluorescent lights tend to have a green color cast and the higher the number, the less color cast. Anything above 80-85 should be good.
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Very very helpful!! Thank you very much .
Glad to share.
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Raising the seedtrays if there is a heatmat is, in my opinion, much more a hassel than lowering the lights.
Super super informative!! Thank you!!
Glad to share. Good luck,
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I use the lights and shelves but I replaced the chains with string and run it up through the shelf and back down outside the shelves with a water bottle at the other end. And enough water to balance it out with the light. If you pull the bottles down it raises the lights. If you lift the bottles it lowers the lights.
Great tip thanks
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Excellent!
Thanks again
Well crap my lights I just got at home depot are only 1260 lumens but they are 5000k, that is for a clamp light, that's the highest lumens I could find unless I go over to the shop light area
Edit: ok Gary I finish the video and got my answer! Thank you Gary for being so thorough! You're great!
Thats not so bad for a clamp light. They are hard to get beyond that. The 4 foot shop lights are better but depends on what you can get and how much space you have.
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Gary, thank you for all the knowledge you've shared with all of us! So inspiring that I am amping up my seed starting this year.What were your thoughts on the Hyoer tough LED shop light?
People say they are pretty good. Just get the numbers right and see what fits your budget. There are big price differences across basically the same types of lights.
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I have a bunch of grow lights but I always had a hard time comprehending the difference..ya broke it down man🤗 I've started seeds indoors but being I'm trying to get more organized i need to buy new growlights(I share my lights with houseplants) didnt know I could get them from walmart!
Yeah once you get the lumens and kelvin understanding down... shop around! Good luck.
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fantastic! at last i can start! ty
Yep. Have fun.
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I have used regular 4 ft fluorescent bulbs for 30 years and have never had a problem or high electric bill
zDo the bulbs you showed cost alot to run
Nope. Best to look up a wattage calculator on line and you can plug in info and know what it will cost you.
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I will need to buy part by part. Piece by piece.
That works. Good luck.
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Walmart” Black Friday November” sale coming up in a few days has the hyper tough 5000 lumens shop lights for $12!
I use those. They are pretty good. I had one set, lose half its lights but for the price it is worth it.
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@Adam Dong they work good but I have found based on my work schedule that doing the winter sowing method works best for me.
GARY some videos show lights close to lettuce, others show light well off plants and said it was because of high out put but they never said what is considered high out put
So high output varies depending on what they mean. There isnt a catch all definition for it. If they refer to lumens passed 4000, 5000 lumens... they might mean high output. As you increase lumens to that level, you can raise the lights.
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those hyper shop lights have the kelvin rating on the inside of the plastic end cap on the power side, my 3200 lumen says its 5000 kelvin
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I am loving your channel. You have helped me so much and I enjoy listening to you which is rare for me when it comes to youtube video's so thank you. One question, on the single LED light for the clap fixture, is that a flood light bulb or a spot light bulb? Happy New Year!
Thanks. I just looked for the box but I tossed it. I think it was a spotlight but to be honest I just look for the best lumens and kelvin ratings. With the LED wattage and heat shouldnt be an issue anyway. Good luck.
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That shelving is pretty expensive these days from what I could find.
Id go to thrift stores or yard sales to look for shelving
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FYI: The Walmart 4' LED $22 is 5000 Lumens & 5000 Kelvin. It says it on the side of the box in small print. You can't beat the price or Lumen factor.
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Have have that same 5000 lumen led light from Walmart, it says on the side of the box 5000K!
Yep. Cheap and effective
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Hi Gary, love your channel and have watched a majority of your videos. I’m hoping to start my seeds indoors for the first time this Spring. I live in SE Michigan. Would it be too cold in my garage to start seeds in the spring if I use heating Pads also? I’m assuming it’ll be 40-50 degrees by March- April. Thanks!
So no. Cool crops will love that. I would use the heatmat to germinate the cool crops and then let them deal with the temperature. Peppers and tomatoes will probably need a mat regularly.
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We live in England. We have looked for a Growlight System like yours for indoors with the Shelves and Metal Hardware for your lights, we are unable to find them. Amazon do not do the shelving System. The system you bought did you just have to add the lights in? Growing indoors is very new to us and we really want to get the right equipment. Your formation was spot on for starting from Scratc if one does not know anything about indoor growing. I really enjog your Vlogs so much. Take care x
I just added the light. I found the basic shelving with the right size and added the lights. Thanks so much for watching. Appreciated and cheers!
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OMG JUST PICKED UP THE 5000 lumen led LAMP AT WALMART FOR $18.95!!!!!
Its a great deal
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What's the difference in the standard indoor bulbs vs the ones labeled as plant lights?
Nothing. Just more expensive.
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Can you please do another Grow light video with different stores selling them for 2021 seed growing that would be so helpful.
The lights change up so often. Its not the brand but getting the right Kelvin and lumens values
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I love your videos Gary, should I use the clear biodome on the starter trays..?
Thanks. I dont use the clear domes. I always found they added too much humidity and that only favored molds and fungus. In theory if watering them is a issue, a dome helps.
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Hi,
Do you know a good lamp light for Wasabi plant. Wasabi does not like direct sunlight, it likes the shaded area. I live in the northeast, and I get 4 season weather. I will most likely have them indoors, and possibly let them go outside in the autumn. These plants are not seed starts, they will have some roots. Any recommendations, or what I should look for in this particular plant?
Best - appreciate it in advance.
Hi Gary. Love watching your Channel and gaining more education on gardening. I was wondering what you suggest for a light that not only to use for starting my seeds, but taking them all the way to flowering if I want to continue to grow my plants inside especially through the winter months. If I have to buy some lights, I was hoping I can buy one that does it all if that's possible. Thanks in advance.
Thanks! You know I never took them to flowering. So I dont want to guess. I would check out other channels that have done it. Sorry.
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Incandescent lights still have the best light/color for humans' eyes. Floro, CFLs, LEDs etc still suck for vision. (LOL I screwed up an bought that same hardwired light, 2 of them. But no prob, its up an running. Skills are a wonderful thing). The rest/dark time is debated; no comment.
Good luck. Thanks for the comment
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Your amazon page isn’t working for me. It keeps asking me to download a file that doesn’t have any data
Hmmm. Might be your browser. I double checked. Sorry.
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is this okay for the beginner lighthing?
SYLVANIA Ultra LED Night Chaser, PAR38, 250W Equivalent, 2650 Lumen, Replacement for Halogen Flood Spot Light, Medium Base E26, Dimmable, 5000K Daylight
T = 1/8th of an inch.
Good to know, Thanks
Thanks!
What about a t12 with approximately 4100K and 2600 lumens?
Ive used those in the past and they work
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Hi Gary. Just wanted to say thank you for not only teaching me what's going on with my purple tomatoe plants! but how to understand fluorescent bulbs! I've been googling for weeks and still haven't found the answer you have given us!one question tho would a 6500k fluorescent light work to grow tomatoes through the winter?I'm in NZ and only need about 3 hour's aday of light! thanks again mate
They work for seed starting and tranpslants. For full tomatoes I am not sure. In theory yes but youd need really good light coverage.
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very frustrated that the lights I've looked at locally only list the Kelvin. not the lumens. found several affordable T5 fixtures with 6500K, but I have no clue what the kelvin rating is. any suggestions?
It can be frustrating. Aside from contacting manufacturer, I dont know of another way.
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How do these do for over wintering peppers?
Hello what about color levels? Does this option shown here only support seedling growth or do you still need full spectrum to grow fruit?
Well white light is full spectrum. But it has light that has no value to the plant. this is just for seedling and transplants.
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Thank you so much for this video. How much light is enough? I am planning on starting seeds indoors and have a Southeast window with sun, how do I know if I still need to buy lights?
You should buy the lights anyway. Rarely does a window provide enough from germination and the 10-14 days to follow that. After they are 2 weeks old, a really sunny south window will work.
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How does 5000k and 4400 lumens sound? I hope theyll work. Thank you for sharing your knowledge! I'm a fan.
Thats a great mix.
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a lot of the new led grow lights don't list lumens they use par rating and something else can't remember the second thing I want to over winter some of my plants and maybe grow some other vegetables over the winter it's very confusing.
I have to learn more about the PAR but grow lights might be more worried about it to differentiate them.
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@Gary Pilarchik, have you noticed any difference in how the seedling starts do when under one of your LED's vs one of your fluorescent lights? There's alot of claims out there about LED lights saying for those that light temperature or even lumens doesn't matter and it's the PAR rating (which alot of LED lights won't say unless they are sold as grow lights). LEDs are very comparable, even cheaper than the fluorescents now (where I live), so I'm really wondering if you have insight into this.
Also, at the store, I had to literally open the box to find out if it had a chain/cord for the fixture. It didn't say on the box at all, but it did have one inside.
PAR is great for full growth, flowers and fruit. Ive used Lumens and Kelvin ratings only and that has worked fine for transplants and 8-12 weeks growth.
What is the highest lumen recommendation? The light today all have a lot higher lumens.
Some go to 10000 lumens. You just need the lights higher up.
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Your video is amazing but I need help please.
I'm in the UK and I can't seem to find fixtures for the t8s that have cables/plugs, they've all been with the bare wires.
I've found a "floodlight" that is 5000k and 1800 lumens, is that too low for seedlings?
I think it is too low. I really recommend 3000 lumens now. 5000k Is okay. The lowest I have used was 2100 lumens. But I am more worried a floodlight just doesnt give you the coverage.
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Can I use sun light instead of Grow-Lights ?
I mean like putting seed bed behind window or even in yard
Outside is okay but sun through a window is tough as it has to be direct sun to the plant.
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I am 73 and trying seedings inside for the first time. Will LED lights with 4300 lumens and 5000 K work for me?
Gary, love your videos. Ok LEDs don't put out the heat like a fluorescent, right? So for seed starting in a home office area (67-72F during winter) would you prefer the LED fixture about 2-4 inches above the surface or the fluorescent fixture about 1-3 inches above (I am using lighting you describe in video). Also same question if I'm setting up in an unheated garage (zone 7-b, typically 30-40F in winter) and using a heat mat.
Most everything is fine at those temps. Some things like peppers might germinate more slowly. I would go with LED most likely as they can have higher lumens. That is what I would look at. Just use a heating mat as you plan for flats that need more heat.
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Hello Gary! I live in Fremont CA (zone 9). Does that mean that I can put the pots with seeds in them outdoor and do without the lighting? Thank you for your advice. I enjoy watching your gardwning videos. Very informative.
Yep. If you dont have frost and you get decent day warmth, you are good go. Some people germinate the flat indoors but as soon as they break the surface, they go outside in zones like yours. Just dont let them get pounded by rain.
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Gary, I see everyone is using the clamp lights. I have a reflector grow light already screwed into an IKEA henna cord. How do I make it work with the bins you cut a hole into the lid of?
You can cut a hole. But... you have to watch how the heat from the light impacts the plastic. You probably now that but safety first. Each light is different.
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I can't find any fixtures without the bulbs being integrated. This is frustrating.
If the numbers are good, they work well. I have some like that.
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Hi Thanks for all the info, love your channel - my question is if a tray is say 10x20 is one 2 ft T5/8 enough to cover it?? ... or ... I see on your site you have a 2 ft 4 bulb fixture, is that good to cover 2 10x20 trays etc. etc. ??? IS there a formula you used to figure out light coverage of the average 10x20 trays?? TIA Ron
Thanks so much. Usually I use 2 4 four foot fixtures that each have 2 bulbs. I put them side by side. The trays can fight nicely under that. Later vids in the series shows examples.
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i have this light {the hyper tough 5k} and the seedlings along the edge {not directly under the reflector} tend to lean in like they are looking for light, how wide is your tray? mine are 5 and 6 cell. was wondering how you "fix" this, or do you just have one tiny tray under the center? its like the light doesn't spread like fluorescent tubes do. I've tried raising the light to "spread" the angle, but that seems to make it too high
Thats normal. I rotate the trays every couple of days. Normal when using 1 light. I use two next to each other with a gap in the middle.
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what do you think about heating mats for seed starters?
If you are around 65 to 70 degree F, you really dont need them. If you are germinating peppers, these temps work but it goes faster with a heat mat. They like to be closer to 80 F. If you are doing cold weather crops like lettuce, Kale, spinach, cabbage etc... a heat mat will make them tall and lanky. The prefer 60ish F. Good luck.
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Loomins...Kalmins? Is that the same as watts??
Nope.
Lumens and Kelvin.
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The shelf unit I plan to use for seed starting is 48" wide and 20" deep. I plan on starting 4 1020 trays on each tier. My question is, would I need three shop lights per tier? I usually see people using two but they are running the 1020 trays the other way. Since the lights need to cover a wider area do I need the extra light or will two lights be enough?
Ive only uses 2. That works fine. If you are concerned 3 is better but thats up to your budget.
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Hi Gary, I purchased lights last year and I didn't use much because I work night shift. I am afraid to have them on when not home, are you concerned of a fire from them? Thanks, Diane
Nope. I have had them on timers for 15 plus years. They are all designed for in house use and to be left on. I dont worry. Run them on day you are home. Check them out. That might help. Good luck.
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Do you have a source for the side opening storage bin you used for a seed starting chamber?
That I found randomly at Home Depot, years ago.
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If a shop light fixture has 2 5000 lumen bulbs is that 10000 lumens?
No. It's not additive.
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My husband bought me at shop lights at Walmart the light in it has 5500 lumens will that be to much
Nope. That will work
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I have a very important question and I hope I get some answer, I heard that's lamps without uv don't do anything, I watched some of your video's now with lights and it are lamps without uv?
No UV on mine for over 20 years. Just these basic lights. UV would help transition them outside but not needed.
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Did the Hyper Tough 5000L LED light work out well for you? Was it better than the T8 bulbs? I'm trying to decide which to get.
I cant say one was better or worse. Both work really well. I like being able to replace bulbs just in case. But they both work well.
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Thanks for the video which is very useful and completely cleared my mind about the lighting needed for the seedlings.. However I am confused about something ; I understand that you recommend using lighting as well during the germination stage, pls confirm if that is the case.. By the way I have not used lighting during germination previously but been successful except this year.. This year I have failed to germinate my tomato seeds with abt 70 pct failure, so your reply will be important, thanks beforehand, best regards/Murat
You dont need light to germinate. You need the plants, as soon as they germinate, to be hit by light or they can get leggy. If you keep a perfect eye on them and turn on the light right away, your are fine. Most people miss germination and if you miss it by long enough, plants get leggy. Varies based on variety.
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Thank you, all clear now. I would love to do shopping at your place for my gardening needs however I am living in a small village on the Black Sea coast of Istanbul which is some 10k km away and seeds not allowed to be imported by individuals and equipment is way much expensive with the transportation fees in our day unfortunately.
If one will use the 23w LED lamp as close to the plant as you showed... that poor seedling will receive about if not more than 1500 PPFD and will probably die. Don't do that with such a concentrated LED, that's only done with CFL/ fluorescent bulbs because their PPF is all over the place. You can start a whole 2x2 area of seedlings and small plants with that single 23w LED, from a higher distance and some reflectors around that 2x2 area. I'm growing 2 awesome looking lettuce plants with a 12w 6500K LED bulb (cap removed), the output is ~400 PPFD from a 25cm height over the plants, inside a circular reflector made out of aluminum foil, with no elongation of the stems (light seeking) whatsoever.
Ill I can tell you is this works. But improvemenst are good
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what is the part number for the hyper tough led light ? Having a hard time finding it.
I don't know the part number but those lights are from Walmart. I've seen them in their home improvement section, in the aisle with all of the other tube lights.
How large of an area will the clamp light cover?
Good enough for 1 flat.
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I have purchase LED tube lights which are 20 watts and 6500K? Is this a good light? I assume in LED lights watts can also be measured for lumens? kindly advise if this is a good light for seedlings and all other stages of my vegetable plants for indoors?
6500k I perfect. You want 3000 lumens or higher. 20 watts varies on intensity so you have to find the lumens rating.
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@@THERUSTEDGARDEN Thank you Gary. Ideally, if each tube has around 1500 lumens with 6500k each, can i use 2 tubes together to compensate the 3000 lumens?
Can I use a heating rack with 6500k? The lights I bought said do not use a heating mat, but I’m growing hot peppers so I don’t know....
Im not sure i know what a heating rack is?