I went to Lincoln electric welding school 12 years ago. AMAZING school. 80% weld time. 20% class. I came out with 5 certs and can weld better than most people i work with. You can make 20 a hour just welding. I learned to fit/machine . That is where the money is at. I make 70-80k a year working 4 10 hour shifts a week barley working hard at all. Working on breaking out in to my own thing like meltin metal.
I went to welding school after about 15 years in carpentery. My first job in a fab shop, I was immediately recognized as the best cutman/fitter, and they almost never wanted me to weld. I guess the moral of my story is, don't be too good at the things you dont want to do all the time.
I have been hired several times as a certified welder, next thing I know I doing layout, fitting and fixturing 95% of the time and maybe 5% welding, the response from the company, "we can get welders all day but layout, fitter and fixture guys are hard to find", your video is on point for sure Anthony.
You’re absolutely correct, sir. It never ceases to amaze me how many people think that when I show up on a job, I just fall out the truck and weld. As if everything is already cleaned,fitted and clamped together 🤦🏻♂️! I always say and have probably said here, “There’s very little welding to the welding business”.
I did 3 year apprenticeship in Alberta. 8 weeks of school a year which wasn’t too bad but all they teach you is welding 6” plates together in different positions so you do learn to run a bead but 90% of what you actually learn is at work. A lot of guys are lost after school cause they can’t fab and fit. Totally agree with Anthony.
Man I’m gonna have to disagree for the most part. I’m also an Albertan welder b pressure/tig welder and while I do agree maybe some fab work can be taught our program is considerably in depth in all aspects of metal. Learning about different alloys, metallurgy, learning how to read blue prints, learning tig welding carbon/ss/alum, stick welding plates all position with different rod types as well as learning pipe, you fit your own pipe. Mig&flux core, oxy -acetylene cutting projects. You need 4500 hours to complete our apprenticeship outside of technical training. what better place to learn than on the job? Considering Anthony himself has learned through practice on the job. If you are wanting to be fabricator type of welder, then find your way into a shop that will teach you just that. Seek the experience you want. On top of that our government PAYS for us to go to school. We pay like 900 dollars CAD a semester, plus like 170 bucks in books and the governments funds the rest of the 7gs a semester it costs and if you applied for the grants some semesters it costs you fuck all. If you had to spend HUGE money to go to a school then yeah it should cover everything but our program allows us to work learn the in depths of metal and it’s alloys. All in all I’m proud to be an Albertan welder, happen to think our welding program is pretty good all things considered. I barely welded through my apprenticeship but I learned to fit/fab/rig through my shop/industrial work throughout my apprenticeship. By the end of my third year I went for my b pressure in school and passed because of our program.
Hey, sorry to randomly comment two years later, but where did you go to school? I'm looking into starting an apprenticeship and dunno if I should go through the normal apprentieship with a good school, or try doing the full proper "pre apprenticeship" program and learning all there is to know before trying to forge a path
Robert Oppenheimer reportedly said, "A college degree is merely a license to learn." (paraphrased from an old memory) Once you get a degree (or welding certification) you then have to start the "real-world" learning process. Oppenheimer led the Manhatten Project to create atomic weapons, where many super-smart scientists had to create the next level of knowledge. Cheers from Texas!
100% correct! Fitting, measuring etc. is so important. This applies to anyone getting into welding - I am just a hobby welder and I could not believe the ratio of time spent measuring and cutting and fitting … figuring out angles. Keep up the great content. I bet you have save more than few folks some time and headache.
I got my associates degree in welding for free thanks to grant money. We learned all the different processes, plate and pipe tests in all positions, math, fabrication, metallurgy, machining, blueprint reading etc... even got my first welding job through the school. I do wish they taught us more fabrication skills though. Once I started working in a large fab shop building huge projects I had to learn alot on the job. I don't regret going to welding school though.
@@d4edxty Different ways to find square, different techniques of manipulating a work pice via come-alongs or port-a-power, formulas to find hole spacing around a circumference. Ways to calculate unknown angles and rise to run. Alot of basic fab math and methods were not taught in the weld school I went to
Anthony, I’m in full agreement with you on this subject. I teach welding at Project Lift a school for boys and girls at risk. I’m a volunteer I do not get paid. I tell my students that welding skill is just a tool necessary for completing any metal fabrication job. I also tell them that there are many skills such as math, geometry that must be learned in order to become a good Welder. It’s amazing to me how many kids today do not know how to turn a wrench or how basic tools work, but our society has made that happen with all the computer technology out there and the lack of interest in the trades. I guess that is why your profession is becoming a great place to be and why I am encouraging all my students to pursue a career in welding/fabrication. Thanks for the show and have a great day!
I'm not against technology like I mentioned earlier in a post. I have various knowledge in different things. I work on my own vehicles, build motors etc. Build houses etc. Operate heavy machinery I'm a computer programmer also having various skills has made me a very wealthy person blah blah blah. The problem is is when you have narrow-minded individuals that think this is the road to success. Don't go left. Don't go right? Stay on this road. That's why kids today have issues with skills or shall I say the lack thereof? America's schooling system is extremely crappy
@@imhungry2387 I'm so happy for you that you found a good mix! Congratulations! And wealthy from them? More power to you my friend! Any tips for a newcomer? I'm just starting out
Totally agree. I was fortunate that the local community College was also an AWS test facility and offered not just welding of all types but metallurgy, how to read blue prints, welding symbols, contractor law, and spent time on codes in the class, then hours under the hood. Had to learn how to measure stuff, cut and create per a specific plan set. Great way to supplement skills I already had
Couldn’t agree more with everything you said. Went to a night class for welding with welding experience already, I basically did it for tests an codes all were free with the teacher being an AWS CWI so that was worth the money. Then did an apprenticeship with the pipe fitters here an learned more in a month than I ever have. Def got a subscriber after this one
Well said. Couldn't agree more. I took a few small votec classes for a year then I went and got real field experience working as a helper and now I'm in a great career. Most of what I learned was on the job and in the field!
as a former student i totally agree with this video , i’ve graduated a while back and it’s been a journey even after …got to the point where i’m having to battle the gitters …seeing my hands shake because of not having the confidence / knowledge to be out in the field … but i’m not giving up …. going to seek all the knowledge i can … i just pray for the opportunities and patience along the road. GUYS DO YOUR HW i paid a tuition to know the basics
Unfortunately I know more people who went to welding school who don’t weld, than do. Just keep at it and take every opportunity! There was a podcast out by Joe Rogan recently where the guy talks about Archery. But what he says about getting a better shot, could be applied to welding also
I sent my 18yr old son this video, he's on his way to a comm-college and enroll in the welding curriculum. I have personally told him similar concepts you mentioned here and I agree. Hopefully he watches it and grasps the concept. Thank you for sharing.
Best way to learn about all types of welding is to master oxygen/acetylene welding (no not brazing) , gas welding teaches you puddle control, heat management, penetration and material properties, welding schools rarely teach flame cutting let alone welding..
Took a certification course at my community college (was very cheap), but only did fillet welds all day, learn more at my first job in the first week than I learned months at a school.
I’m happy to hear you say “not all welding schools.” I hate dealing in absolutes, but given that caveat, I agree with the rest of the information. Like all careers that exist, there are good teachers and bad teacher, good welders and bad, good schools and bad. As an instructor myself, I’ve quit a local college that wasn’t properly educating the welders and administration wouldn’t work or pay to fix it. I HATE seeing people taken advantage of, and that’s what I’m hearing you reflect as well. The high school is an awesome free opportunity for students to learn, and in the first year I push the welding heavy - mig, tig, stick, plasma and oxy-fuel cutting. That way year 2 I can focus heavy on the fab side, measurement, and warpage reduction, and holding tolerances, and know I’m not gonna have to hand hold them through setting up the machine or swapping out wire every day. I love the job training facility I work at also, because of how hard they work to get funding for every student. They have quality equipment, the opportunity to learn up to 4 different processes, and usually pay nothing out of pocket for the experience. Keep holding inadequate schools accountable!
My welding course was two years now crammed into 9 months. Lack of welders they say. Lots of textbook material is getting skipped. I'm 51 going to school after leaving garage door install and repair after 20 years.
I originally tried to get into a community college to learn metal trades as they teach more than just welding, but they lost my transcripts so I had to take a combination welding course at a tech college instead. Kids should graduate HS regardless whether they want to learn a trade or not, as unions sometimes require a transcript for algebra, etc. (depending on your choice of trade).
Anthony, Awesome advise I’ve been saying this for years. Our local school teaches to just pass the test for TIG. pipe welding they don’t teach any fabrication skills. Fabrication skills are priceless
thanks you for this. ive been stressing to save up the cash to go to welding school on top of my day job ( electrician apprentice ). I ended up getting insight from a friend whos currently going to that school. so far he says its good but all he's been able to learn is how to pass plate tests. Im pretty sure they teach you how to bevel but certainly no other fabrication skills. i printed out the course outline and alot of the real word applications are just taught through a textbook theoritically. I'll just stick to hustling my way into a small company the same way i did with electrical and learn first hand from there. Whats great is that this school allows you to customize your training as well. Once i get better idea of the industry ill make a decsion whether to go and pay for training
I live in Denmark, i took the education you would call a "welder", but here we learn alot of stuff, we get to do MIG - TIG - Electrode and oxy cutting. we allso learned how to fabricate, from using simple handtools to cnc pressbrakes and cutters. we basicly get to be "Fabricator, fitter and welder". This education took 4 years, not to mention it was free, with a salary the whole time. it would be 10 months in our "company" and 2 months in school, learning new stuff, more and more advanced every time. We allso learned how to do the "certified" weldtest, just so we were ready for them, would we ever need them.
thats the case most of the times in that region of the world, more comprehensive skills training. here in the Usa there as been a lack luster with a lot of instructors ive come across, sometimes they are under equipped, other incompetent
@@MeltinMetalAnthony From what i've experienced apprenticeships seem to be the way to go. Im on my 3rd of 5 years, make good money, and learn all of that as well. We don't go super in depth with welding besides plate tests and sheet metal pipe type stuff at school but combined with practicing at work and home + advice from the journeymen i work with I've learned a ton.
I couldn’t agree more. I worked with two guys at a fabrication shop, one in his 60’s and one 19 years old and neither one of them could read a tape unless it was the half in or inch mark. I went to school for 2 years welding and 1 year machining at NDSCS and I learned how to weld, how to fabricate, how to read a tape and dial caliper. Learned how to tig, mig, and stick weld all types of metal. Only cost me around $35,000 for 3 years including all tools I bought.
This has really made me think more on the school. Knowing the money you make and no school, I understand, and I want to learn more than just welding, just knowing how to tear down, rebuild, reinforce or build is just amazing
Man last year I went to welding school provided by the army and I had to go through OSHA 30. Also learned how to stick, tig, and mig weld. It was the best choice for me because I learn so much better from doing than reading.
I did not go to welding school, I was just a helper in one shop. Theres a guy asked me if im interested to learn welding and fittings. He taught me, I learned, I quit there find better place to improve my new develop skills. Now I make 120k to 140k a year or even more if i want to.
Hey Anthony, I'm a Pile Driver myself. We typically get certified through our apprenticeship. Splicing pile is only crucial to the point of, it won't break. Same with all the welding that we do .
Went to a good welding technical school. Taught all the stuff you talked about. Don't regret it but I did learn most I know from the different jobs and coworkers I've had in my life. Little tricks here and there. I also think that a big part of being a successful welder is actually falling on love with what you do. I love it and wish I could do it full time but can't seem to figure out how to make that jump. Finding your channel keeps me motivated though! Keep it up man 💪
Yup this guy tells it how it is and people need to realize that it really comes down to school of hard knocks aka get yourself out there and learn how the real welding world actually functions outside the trade school. Because its a whole another animal and you cant screw up too often or tour out of a job basically. Sometimes its best to start out as a laborer or a helper and really really pay attention to how the professionals do it because when the opportunity comes, then it'll be your time to shine. Oh and be good at repairing welds and cutting tacks off and redoing shit cuz you'll be doing alot of that too especially in fitting when stuff dont fit up right in other words dont be lazy because this trade comes down to blood sweat and tears and experience. Yup welding is just one part of it. Some places will hand ya a blueprint and some tools and say here ya go build this and weld it all from scratch with very little supervision. And when the mentor or supervisor or quality guy you work with says that's off too much, you better know how to fix stuff with a cutting wheel or you may have have to grind out or carbon arc out an entire weld because it failed ultrasonic testing. All i can say is it does take trial and error but its also learning from previous mistakes and just learn one thing at a time. Do a little better each time. But it does come down to doing it on an everyday basis. This trade isn't for everybody just like any other profession. Every welding job is different to an extent you may just be a production welder, or you may do both fitting and welding.
I've been watching your videos for a while now and decided to subscribe because you really tell it like it is. I watch you do jobs and you always keep it real. Thanks. I was a certified diesel mechanic then turned welder when the boss figured out I could weld. I had only one welding class in diesel school and the rest I learned by doing. I worked for a company in SLC building aircraft tugs and I would stay late and practice my welding. The "old man" who was a cranky SOB took a liking to me because I was really trying to improve my skill and he taught me a lot. After 30 years of being a mechanic/welder I had a brain fart and went to college. Got a Bachelor of Science degree in Nursing and became an RN in the hospital emergency department. Two years there then worked at a clinic for another 8. Finally retired and now I am getting back into welding just for something to do. Slowly building my skills and tooling back. When you work for a big company they usually have all the tooling, saws, torch, welding machine etc. The one thing I learned after all that is I should have started my own business. You will never get anywhere working for someone else. You cannot run your own business if you are lazy or only want to work 40 hours a week. Keep doing what you do and know I'm watching you. wink wink
My local vocational high school was great, cwi welding instructor and very knowledgeable from years of trade work. Safety was beyond the standard, wouldn’t allow you to mig weld besides to learn the basics but only a week or two then back to stick and tig, couldnt mig weld any class projects, wanted us to be proficient with stick and tig first before we did any mig welding, even then he would joke about it if we suggested mig welding. He said in production shops and quick little things yes it’s the best but if you plan to do repair work or high quality tig you won’t be any different than someone who never went to school if you only mig weld. besides learning joints and metallurgy basics etc obviously. i practiced with a family friend before school started and I as the only one not sticking rods every strike, so watching videos and getting a good cheapo welder to fail with at home will set you up to know the mistakes before you even touch a decent machine
my school (just a community college) had the best teacher ive ever seen. we learned mig, tig, flux, stick 7018 and 6010, all processes flat, vertical and overhead, pipe in all processes, using torch, plasma, cnc plasma table, break, shear, you name it. it was a welding program but you learn a TON of fabrication skills also. It was actually a really hard program and I was a welder for 10 years prior to taking it. I am grateful for that teacher.
I dropped my mechanics career to head to Gillette Wyoming for welding school. I looked all over the US for welding specific schools and chose WWA. They'll teach all aspects of what is welding plus 100% job placement after graduation.
50 years in the trade 4 year apprentice in a shipyard trained in MMA, TIG, MIG, MAG, SAW, Atomic hydrogen, Air arc day release to college with compulsory night school for the last 20 years a CSWIP and CWS welding inspector of that 10 years at senior level can’t imagine doing anything else
Im going through my local community college now, they have us take a dedicated blueprint reading , metallurgy, and dimensional metrology class. We started with stick, now going into mig then tig.
we have solid welding teachers at our local community college. but hes right in saying you should know what you want to learn. my local community college had a really solid intro to welding class. 14 weeks for 400 bucks. the amount of material youd use in the class was worth it alone. teacher showed us mig, stick, oxy acetylene cutting, scratch start tig and just explained how much more there is out there. not bad for one class.
I've been a welder in a fabrication shop for a year and really wish I saw this video before I had started You're exactly right with it only being 10% of the work and I didn't even know about warping and all this stuff beforehand cuz nobody ever told me in welding school and it's good to hear someone mentioned the money cuz my girlfriend tells her friends that I'm a welder and they're all like oh he must make a lot of money well that's just not the case for a lot of welders
Career Journeyman Shipfitter now starting up my own business- I really appreciate your honesty my man you remind me a lot of guys i've worked side by side with for years! I fully agree with the difference of Fitters vs. Welders- at the shipyards here in VA typically you have just what you describe; a typical Shipfitter isn't just a "trigger puller" like welders- yes they weld but they are full blown fabricators, they install the job in location with whatever means is most effective and efficient. There is a reason why welders literally watched us bust ass moving superlifts into ships location while they just watched. When someone calls me a Welder its an insult just as the rest of the Shipfitters. In our line typical craftsmen who become welders are fitters who failed math/couldn't read a ruler or a drawing.
My friend you hit the nail on the head you’ve got to know how to fabricate. I’ve been doing this for 26 years and I’ll tell you right now everybody that comes in the shop looking for a job. All they can do is weld. If all you can do is weld unless you’re just starting out like right out of school. You’re not gonna stand out in a fab shop probably not even get a job there cause everybody in there can already weld.
thank you for this video. i'm curious about welding and never had the chance to give it a try. I grew up in a big city & didn't get any hands on technical skills. I'm 33 now & going to back to community college for a free intro to welding class. For the first month we're getting an amazing lecture on material sciences, physics, engineering.. subjects I never got a chance to explore in high school. learning about safety and some of the extreme dangers, the risk that welders go through is really crazy. there should be more appreciation for the people that do this as a profession!
Seriously the best video i couldve ever watched before i take a step into welding school. I was looking at a local comm college. I watched this video, did research and decided against this particular one and found one 1.5 hours away that will teach what i need to learn. Thanks for this video sir. Helped out alot.
I’m in welding school currently and you’re 100% spot on, I learned a lot there but a majority of what I learned that is applied to welding was learned outside of school out in the field
Some of the best advice I've ever heard. I was lucky enough to be in secondary school, (high school), in the 70's. We were tought metalworking, woodworking, technical drawing. All this has now gone in the UK. It was such a good grounding for the future. You can't have everyone working in I.T.
I love u Dana Carvey, WAYNES WORLD ,, WAYNES WORLD... bro ur speaking the truth man, I respect u so much I truly do and admire and thank u so much for all ur help, and for free and it's the realest talk I ever seen on all welding TH-cam channels.... Fr fr thank u sir. 🏆
I've been looking at welding as a change in careers for awhile. I'm thinking of taking a $250 class that ends in certificate that can land me a job. Everyone where I am is wanting cert. And I can already read a tape. Seems better than 30k Although my community College is rated very highly in their welding program, 4k in "training" and equipment seems a reasonable alternative. (Equipment so I have some after work potential.) Semiconductor silicon sucks. And even after 16 years at it, it pays well, but it is not what I want to do. I knew that from the start but it pays enough. The company I work for is big, but only because of their parent company. They would have folded decades ago if they managed like this without them... but your videos seem to be authentic. You spell out the downsides to things (no one else does that (that I've seen), it's always a happy place filled with money on other channels) and I'm still thinking this is what I'd want to do. I haven't welded before, but think (not like I've been wrong before.... right? We all have.) This would be a good course of action. I've got family that welds, but they are union, so they don't share much as it violates the union rules. Long winded, but thanks for the videos. I Normally pride myself on technical writing....... But not today!
I’m enrolled in community college wanting to weld right now. I start in three days and my whole first semester is machine shop stuff. I weld multiple times a week for my own uses already but I want those certifications. Due to my grades and ACT score I’ll end up paying about $250 per semester and feel comfortable with that investment. I’ve spent more than that on rods and angle grinders.
Most small shops: It's rare that you ONLY weld. Mostly you gotta do a lot of stuff. Welding is just one of the many skills required. In my area our community college is amazing and cheap for welding lessons. But welding is like playing guitar. A lot guys can do it. Some do it well enough to get paid for pickup work. Others can score a steady income. Then you got your Eddie Van Halen prodigies. What I like about this channel is it motivates people to get up and do this. START WELDING NOW! Even "average" welding has its place in this world. Get up and weld!
I got lucky, my school taught everything, we learned how to do all processes, and we learned to read blueprints, and did a lot of fabrication projects ( basic stuff ) it helped me get my first fab shop job, where I expanded on my fabrication skills ( although I still don’t know shit about pipe ) and when I started my own welding business I gotta thank my welding school, I only payed $500, and I got the basics of everything and ofc we perfected our welding which helped a lot at the fab shops so I can perfect my fabrication, now I own my own business, I’m not the best welder by any means, however for what I do ( similar to Anthony ) it’s good enough, as long as it’s square and the welds aren’t absolutely horrible, I’m good, unless you’re in the pipeline or aerospace, being super-amazing at welding doesn’t mean much. In fact the first question I got during the interview at every fab shop I been to has been ( can you read a tape measure ).
Your absolutely right. Especially about knowing how to measure, square, level and find angles. Allot of people don't understand the difference between fabricating and welding or even worse, they think that welding is a higher skill set than fabricating bc they don't know what fabricating actually entails.
@@ryanb1874 can you be more specific? If you are leveling and squaring from a fixed point that you already know to be level and square then it's pretty straight forward... No pun intended. Are you talking flanges on pipe or building a table surface or what?
Truth is, a good school will teach far more than most companies will be willing to teach. Even apprenticeship programs are limited. Schools can be very broad and open many opportunities. Is this necessary? Not really, but if someone wants to make a career out of welding, why not have all the options available? Going to a two year program also opens up the opportunity to make that into a 4 year program if someone wanted to get into the engineering aspect afterwards. You are 100% correct about some schools being bad though. It’s up to the student to do their research not only into the school, but also welding careers so they know what they’re getting into and what they should focus on.
My dad was in the army. He showed me one day how they taught him to weld with a car battery if you're ever in a pinch. He is the best welder I have yet to see. He's 87 now and doesn't do much welding anymore. He told me one day something I will never forget. He said, "Any moron can lay a bead. Just like any moron can spray paint. 99% of making a good weld, or good paint job is in the prep work."
Hey Anthony I'm in full agreement with the majority of what you said in this video. I'm a Welding Technology Instructor at my local community college. Any education is always better than no education. There are shitty schools out there like Tulsa up in Jacksonville. I guess the comment that I didn't agree with is the part about a community college instructor making $30000.00 and were you good anyway. With me I wanted to give back so it wasn't all about the money it was about turning out good welders. I and others that instruct were good welders but I choose to instruct to help young men and women true my learn this craft. We're striving to raise the bar by being NCCER certs, osha 30, AWS accredited facility, AWS testing facility, compete in skills usa welding competition, confined space cert, rigging and signalling, etc. I constantly stay in touch with companies to ask what skills they are needing and we tailor ours to accomadate those request. We try. I know this is your channel and you have the right to feel the way you do, say what you want because it's yours. In the future maybe consider not knocking community colleges. Some kids have to get scholarships, Pell grants just to be able to go to school and that's there only choice is the community college or no college. To go to my local community college for 2 years to get a degree in a welding Technology costs about 6000 00 and that's not bad. I did take at least 40 grand cut to teach but I still do well much higher than 30,000.00. The benefits do make up the difference in pay. Long story short if no-one ever taught what kinda opportunities would these kids have. Some of us do it for the future of these young welders trying to do good. Carry on with the good work and great videos my friend
Your the shit man 🙌I’m also a central florida guy , over in Lakeland(Polk county ) been field welding for 7 years after finishing up technical school and I must say your right . The only thing we learned in welding school was to pass plate and pipe tests in all processes . We didn’t learn shit about fabrication, and after school I found out real quick that welding isn’t even the majority of the job unless your in a production shop welding and fuck that . I’d rather be in the field
Agreed. I learned mig welding in a trailer factory, you'd be surprised how many people go into that job not knowing how to read a tape. Plan on going to the local career center to get certified, might as well take the basic course and advanced course while I'm at it since it'd be under a grand for all of it
I went to 3 night classes at the local community college 4 years ago. I was disappointed that there were 35-40 people and one instructor. Most of the kids (I am older btw) were 6-7 weeks in and couldn’t even do a decent bead on flat plate with no filler (with tig). It was unbelievable. Most of the kids graduating with a 2 year degree in welding couldn’t weld as good as I could in stick, and I only had 14 weeks of practice (1 day a week 3 hours).
You know what the best free universities for a lot (not all) things is? TH-cam, and Discord. You can find so much information on there. I literally learned all about different types of electrodes, machines, different types of welding, which is one is best etc.. all from youtube (some discord)
Agree with everything you said…but what other professionals teach you how to troubleshoot or work through a process? Reality is…they teach comprehensive theory and the “how-to”…experience teaches lessons and lessons grow maturity and maturity grows experience. You have to know what you are doing with anything!! Another great video for the guys starting out. I took welding in Vo-Tech…my instructor was a 30-year Navy Retiree and taught us his experiences!! Walked away with all of the Certs and blueprint reading the high priced useless schools taught, for FREE!’ Ended up landing my first job at a company called Frog n Switch…building snowplows…from cut to paint…I was involved. Company paid for my Bachelors and Masters in mechanical engineering! A bit of knowledge goes along way…but those lessons, experiences and maturity take you somewhere!
Some of the best welders i know never stepped a foot into a welding school. Some of the worse i have seen were “certified” and schooled. I been welding my whole life self taught. My dad showed me the basics at very young age maybe 14 i dont remember. I bid into an aerospace welding position at my company and did certified aerospace welds for several years that in a lot of cases had to be die inspected so they had to be right. Point is welding school is only gonna teach the very basics. If you really wanna get proficient go out and buy a welder and start laying beads! And it helps to watch guys like Anthony here. A classroom will NEVER make up for lack of experience. And keep challenging yourself. I have been in the trades for 30 and welding just as long. You never stop learning. I think shadowing someone or being a gopher, helper or apprentice or whatever you wanna call it and get some OJT you probably will be much further ahead in a couple years then spending them in a classroom.
This was arclabs, the school I attended. Crappy instructors that only taught you how to watch the puddle. Now I have no skills, no job and 20k in debt. You called it from the beginning.
I went to a community college for a year, as like a career and technical education thing last year in high school. The instructors were maybe 5 years older than me, (I'm 17) and I never really picked up much from them. I learned how to lay a mig weld down, i learned how to lay a TIG bead down. That's about all I learned. They made it seem like they were the best, and the end all be all. Well, this summer, I decided to go and intern at the local fabrication shop. Within a week, I had learned more than I ever had at welding school. I was put into the Heavy Fab department, and spent a month getting used to it. I got exponentially better at TIG welding, good enough that they moved me from Heavy Fab over to what we call "The Die Side" (Just TIG fab and die welding department), they let me do some little odds and ins, and then they told me "Hey kid, we see it in you, we like the way you work, what do you think about being trained to be a die welder?" Of course, I happily accepted, and now I'm working on alloys that most people have never even heard of, and learning more and more every day. Moral of the story, even if you're young, sometimes welding school isn't the best way to get into it. Often times these younger instructors show up, and they'll let just about anyone teach, and it wont always be the best way to learn, because their only concern is taking your money and filling seats. After experiencing both sides, honestly if you wanna learn, go to a fabrication shop, that way you're gonna learn what to do and when, how to fabricate and repair, and get that hood time with people that actually know what they're doing and will teach you the right way.
I've been trying to get into welding school the past 3 years but couldnt/cant afford it. After hearing you speak it sounds like I have a real chance of getting help to learn by hunting for a mentor/tutor this winter!
I went to a community College for there 2 year welding course. I had been doing mig and stick for a few years before that, but I wanted to see what I didn't know. Turns out I already knew about of what they were teaching. But what I seen were the students that were only half interested in doing the work.
I was blessed to attend a really good community college, Cuesta College in San Luis Obispo, CA. They showed me blueprint reading, MIG, TIG, SMAW, FCAW, Brazing, Oxy/acetylene torch, plasma torch, Plasma CNC and CAD, they taught in depth about codes, reading measuring tape and so much more. REALLY good teachers, very humerous and down to Earth. Totally worth my time/money, it cost me less than 800$ at the time!!!!
I bought my own machines... first a stick buzz box, then a wirefeed SP100, then a Tig machine...watercooled Everlast 256si, then a 200 amp Legacy Wirefeed. The cost of welding school at community college is ungodly expensive so i figured I'd just Burn, Learn and Earn at home. Guess what......? Worked out for me....I'm a retired welder with a union pension who had to produce the craziest products with minimal amounts of steel and had to do it quickly... That'll get you fab skills FAST!!!!!!... " Get that built by the end of the day for night shift or your ass is down on the out-of-work list"....You give good advice.... GBYAY
Welding Department Head told us engineering students that we'd never be welders, that was disappointing. It was a 4 year full time course at our UK institute! Fortunately I never wanted to weld undersea oil pipelines! I just bought a welder and became a marine engineer, boatbuilder in all materials and trades, enjoy transport and earthmoving machinery fabrication and repairs. Variety is the spice of life. Doing quite a bit of welding at my house by the beach in the Philippines now 🏖️ Good luck young bucks! 😎
It was a bit degrading applying at a few different shops here recently and having them tell me their starting wage was between 16 and 20 an hour. I have roughly 3 years experience and have certs(not that they mean much but in a shop setting seems to be a "requirement" around here so I got them) when Culver's is hiring at 21 an hour starting... I am looking for something until I can get up and running solo and these places complain about not having guys, are running mandatory 50 hour weeks trying to keep up but can't break 20 to start?!?! Get effed. I did find one welding program out here that was good. But laugh at some of the others I've seen. 2 years to learn to weld and like you said, these frickin kids can't even run a torch to make a clean cut or read a tape measure.
I remodeled my house and hired high school kids to help. Literally had to teach them how to use a cordless drill to drive phillips head screws, read a tape measure or use a shovel. Seems to me that learning algebra and trig along with basics of fabricating measuring, cutting, grinding, welding, riveting, threading connections, cleaning, painting and safety would serve as basics for anyone interested in a career in fabrication/repair industry. So unless you are lucky enough to have a father/uncle show you these things how do you learn? You can try to teach yourself but that is difficult or get a job where you will get trained and have opportunity to learn from experienced people (also not easy, most of the time guys at work don't want to share what they know just make fun of the "new guys"). So going to school of some sort is necessary along with alot of experience. As for not liking the wages shops are paying there is a lesson .... if the person doing the work is making less than 20 and hour and the shop charges 100, how do you get to become "the shop". It's more skills to run a legit business but certainly worthwhile to learn them and start working for yourself. Very few get rich working for someone else.
Framers get a lot of sideways looks. A good framer holds a lot tighter tolerances than a lot of people think. It all comes down to square plumb and true. It can all be learned, plenty of places.
Im in welding school. have bin for the past couple months. The accuracy of what you are saying is my predicament to a tee. luckily I was that carpenter/general labour dude before and still am during this school so I still use my square and tape measure but shoot.. they aint teaching much.
That's right. AWS has determined that every weld process is generally 90% set up and only 10% welding. These weld schools that teach a person to stand in one place and weld all day is ridiculous. They don't have 90% of what it takes to be a welder.
I'm am aluminum fitter at a shipyard and working my way to being a combo welder never picked up a weld gun before this year but I've been a carpenter most of my young adult life so fitting came naturally once I figured out the mig machine I've been getting better and better with my weldin
So true. Good Fabrication skills will help you become a better welder. It just makes life so much easier when thing are properly fit and prepared. Preach on brother!
WOW! You said what needed to be said! I am a graduate ofTulsa Welding School I learned how to weld well but had to get schooled on the job! Now I have my own fab shop and love your content! Keep it up!
@@MeltinMetalAnthony it has been a long road! I welded on a coal fired power plant and a C02 recovery plant In the 80s ended up in the Navy because it sucked to be a welder in Oklahoma in the 80s after the oil boom crashed. I got into automotive business and aviation. I operate my fab shop out of my house and love it! I really appreciate all of your tips!
Oh, working for a major airline I have met a few of the literally world's greatest welders! They do just like you said, they write their own process for the manufacturer of certain parts to follow. One guy had engineers from a gearbox company watch him for a week to learn how to fix their own part!
I start Tulsa Welding School in Houston next month. How was your experience there with learning to weld? I’m going for their Welding Specialist w/ pipefitting program.
Lol dude you sound just like my dad.... And you are correct sir!!! My dad taught me fabrication many many years ago back when I was 18 and he told me fabrication is most important to know because welding can come easy afterwards. All these years later after working in different shops I can say that is very true. Learning lay outs and forming such as rolling and bending will make you much more money than just welding. I am 36 years old now and am working on starting my own sheet metal fab shop now. I never stepped foot in a classroom other than the shop. I did all my learning with my pops in the shop fucking shit up lol. This is awesome dude... Keep up the great work!!!
im going to a welding school now in the two year program just got done with my first year where we learned to tig, mig and stick and fabricate. the second year is for pipe welding
The tape measure hit home with me. I tried to hire some people to help me do some carpentry on my house. 3/4 of the people that showed up to interview couldn’t even read a tape measure. A tape measure is the simplest but invaluable tool. If you can’t read one you are unbelievably limited.
I am so confused. How do you test for this? This is just so alien to me that I am trying to figure out how you test for this. I have proof that somedays I don't know how to read a tape measure by the fact that piece that I made is off a 1/4" or more but I think that is different than what you and Anthony is saying. :)
@@nmopzzz fastest way to check if someone can read a tape is to say cut me 3 pieces of wood at the lengths written on a piece of paper. 1 at 10 and 5/8th, 1 at 6 and 3/16th, and one at 4 and 3/4. Many people say the can read a tape that actually can’t, if they can read it the cutoff pieces will match what you want. Reading a tape measure isn’t hard, it just takes practice.
Lincoln Electric welding school 1973 10% class 90% welding. 10 week course $300. Stick and Tig then I was employed at American Shipbuilding where I really learned how to weld all-position!
I'm a welder at a motorsports fab shop, run a mig all day welding parts. Gotta stack dimes and make it pretty, which is probably the only reason I get paid as much as I do. Anthony is 100% right. Mig is brainless if you just need it to hold, if you need it pretty it's quite a bit harder, which is the only reason I enjoy my job as much as I do.
OMG Learn to read a tape. I totally agree most kids have no idea on how to read a tape. Everyone wants to just weld. My first test for new hires are tape skills. AWS has test facilities all over. I have sent 3 employee's to test for a job or two who have never attended a welding school. but were good hands and great welders / fabricator hands.
Graduate from IOT and let me tell you could never be more right. The ventilation is the worst in that school along with everything else. I could have seen this video a lot earlier.
I got 4 years of welding school for free at public school. 2 years of shop and 2 of trade school. Learned every kind of welding and always stayed to learn and went in on weekends to keep learning. Do it while you're in high school get an internship then retire by 40. You've already put yourself 4 years ahead of everyone else. If they offer it take it.
I also believe that all of the fabrication skills you refer to are critical. Most of the basics like tape reading and following a line should be done in grammar school, but that's another topic. It's called welding school because the main focus is teaching people how to weld and to read a weld pool, the ultimate factor of any welding job. If you can't weld, you don't get the job or you look like an idiot after trying. You don't learn how to penetrate pipe or plate while you're learning to read a tape measure or make accurate cuts. We have a guy that just got out of a "welding school", but he can't penetrate 18ga stainless. My CC didn't teach tape reading or how to make consistent cuts because it was expected that you already knew that or could figure out what 5th graders learn to do, follow a line. We focused on welding, how to read a weld pool, read your HAZ and the metallurgy because that's what's important if you want to do critical welding or not have your weldment open up like a zipper. That focus on welding gave me the ability to learn from a Master Blacksmith whose been working longer than I've been alive. He handed me four exotic metals I've never welded before as my weld test and that knowledge I learned at CC by just focusing on the welding is what landed me that incredible opportunity. I agree that there is always a better way, but I don't believe there's a right or wrong way. I know structural guys that went through the traditional apprenticeship that don't know the first thing about TIG welding, we have TIG welders at our shop that don't have a clue about stick, MIG or oxyfuel cutting and to each their own. If they are content with being ignorant one trick monkeys, so be it, I'll take all of the work they don't know how to do.
Cac in Az has a great welding program cwi teachers pipe structural unlimited test tried within the semester without extra cost, teach all five processes. You get certified through AWS. Fabrication experience and they are not expensive like welding schools. And they don’t let you cut corners on the test just so you u can get a certification.
Learn to measure and use all the tool cut with a torch learning every welding process pass all test and also to prep the material and to make things to where people ask for your business
I am a hobbie welder, I've been watching you for tips and learned a lot. That said a youngin wanting to learn the basics for free can join the military and pick an MOS that involves welding, or like my stepson, he went to job corp and they got him a basic free training that got him a job and the rest was OJT.
I went to welding school, 2 semesters out of 4. Dropped out. 30k in debt, never got fully paid off. Leanred how to torch, stick, mig, and tig weld, a little metallurgy and some required math and other credits. But never got those certs and left a $1500 set of tools there. Make a modest living tattooing now amd love it. Always thought about trying to get back into fitting, welding, fabricating but, ehh.. tattooing is where my heart always was. 120 per hour on a %split with the shop, and only have to work anywhere from 0 to 5 hours a day, on my own schedule
My buddy went to a county college that had a welding program. They taught all the processes and how to get your certs. When you finish you get a associates degree. It’s not a bad setup they have.
I have more hr on my machine using it as a generator so true 1/3 weld 2/3 weld
we gotta get a video of your work at some point!
@Meltin Metal Anthony charged the go pro and forgot it lots of cursing air arcing and welding at a insane speed
@@shawnlindquist404 don't forget
I went to Lincoln electric welding school 12 years ago. AMAZING school. 80% weld time. 20% class. I came out with 5 certs and can weld better than most people i work with. You can make 20 a hour just welding. I learned to fit/machine . That is where the money is at. I make 70-80k a year working 4 10 hour shifts a week barley working hard at all. Working on breaking out in to my own thing like meltin metal.
Where is this school located?
good luck. make dat money!@
Which Lincoln though?
@@essayess3 Euclid, OH main headquarters
@rarebeagle2741 cool! Thanks! Good luck becoming independent
I went to welding school after about 15 years in carpentery. My first job in a fab shop, I was immediately recognized as the best cutman/fitter, and they almost never wanted me to weld. I guess the moral of my story is, don't be too good at the things you dont want to do all the time.
sounds like they cornered you.
Simply put, they knew they would not have to teach you anything that you could take to another job.
I've had to pretend I'm bad at sex due to the soreness
I have been hired several times as a certified welder, next thing I know I doing layout, fitting and fixturing 95% of the time and maybe 5% welding, the response from the company, "we can get welders all day but layout, fitter and fixture guys are hard to find", your video is on point for sure Anthony.
They wanted to hire a fitter to pay them like a welder
You’re absolutely correct, sir. It never ceases to amaze me how many people think that when I show up on a job, I just fall out the truck and weld. As if everything is already cleaned,fitted and clamped together 🤦🏻♂️! I always say and have probably said here, “There’s very little welding to the welding business”.
I did 3 year apprenticeship in Alberta. 8 weeks of school a year which wasn’t too bad but all they teach you is welding 6” plates together in different positions so you do learn to run a bead but 90% of what you actually learn is at work. A lot of guys are lost after school cause they can’t fab and fit. Totally agree with Anthony.
Man I’m gonna have to disagree for the most part. I’m also an Albertan welder b pressure/tig welder and while I do agree maybe some fab work can be taught our program is considerably in depth in all aspects of metal. Learning about different alloys, metallurgy, learning how to read blue prints, learning tig welding carbon/ss/alum, stick welding plates all position with different rod types as well as learning pipe, you fit your own pipe. Mig&flux core, oxy -acetylene cutting projects. You need 4500 hours to complete our apprenticeship outside of technical training. what better place to learn than on the job? Considering Anthony himself has learned through practice on the job. If you are wanting to be fabricator type of welder, then find your way into a shop that will teach you just that. Seek the experience you want.
On top of that our government PAYS for us to go to school. We pay like 900 dollars CAD a semester, plus like 170 bucks in books and the governments funds the rest of the 7gs a semester it costs and if you applied for the grants some semesters it costs you fuck all. If you had to spend HUGE money to go to a school then yeah it should cover everything but our program allows us to work learn the in depths of metal and it’s alloys.
All in all I’m proud to be an Albertan welder, happen to think our welding program is pretty good all things considered. I barely welded through my apprenticeship but I learned to fit/fab/rig through my shop/industrial work throughout my apprenticeship. By the end of my third year I went for my b pressure in school and passed because of our program.
Hey, sorry to randomly comment two years later, but where did you go to school? I'm looking into starting an apprenticeship and dunno if I should go through the normal apprentieship with a good school, or try doing the full proper "pre apprenticeship" program and learning all there is to know before trying to forge a path
Robert Oppenheimer reportedly said, "A college degree is merely a license to learn." (paraphrased from an old memory) Once you get a degree (or welding certification) you then have to start the "real-world" learning process. Oppenheimer led the Manhatten Project to create atomic weapons, where many super-smart scientists had to create the next level of knowledge. Cheers from Texas!
100% correct! Fitting, measuring etc. is so important. This applies to anyone getting into welding - I am just a hobby welder and I could not believe the ratio of time spent measuring and cutting and fitting … figuring out angles. Keep up the great content. I bet you have save more than few folks some time and headache.
I got my associates degree in welding for free thanks to grant money. We learned all the different processes, plate and pipe tests in all positions, math, fabrication, metallurgy, machining, blueprint reading etc... even got my first welding job through the school. I do wish they taught us more fabrication skills though. Once I started working in a large fab shop building huge projects I had to learn alot on the job. I don't regret going to welding school though.
Where did you go to school at?
@@ericddoran went to a University in Western Colorado. I would have gotten a bachelor's in welding if they offered it
@@MikeP350 what type of fabrication skills did they teach you on the job? Very curious
@@d4edxty Different ways to find square, different techniques of manipulating a work pice via come-alongs or port-a-power, formulas to find hole spacing around a circumference. Ways to calculate unknown angles and rise to run. Alot of basic fab math and methods were not taught in the weld school I went to
@@MikeP350 damn I’m horrible at math. Would I still have a shot at it if I’m bad at geometry and trig? I can read a tape measure, just bad at math.
Anthony, I’m in full agreement with you on this subject. I teach welding at Project Lift a school for boys and girls at risk. I’m a volunteer I do not get paid. I tell my students that welding skill is just a tool necessary for completing any metal fabrication job. I also tell them that there are many skills such as math, geometry that must be learned in order to become a good Welder. It’s amazing to me how many kids today do not know how to turn a wrench or how basic tools work, but our society has made that happen with all the computer technology out there and the lack of interest in the trades. I guess that is why your profession is becoming a great place to be and why I am encouraging all my students to pursue a career in welding/fabrication. Thanks for the show and have a great day!
I'm not against technology like I mentioned earlier in a post. I have various knowledge in different things. I work on my own vehicles, build motors etc. Build houses etc. Operate heavy machinery I'm a computer programmer also having various skills has made me a very wealthy person blah blah blah. The problem is is when you have narrow-minded individuals that think this is the road to success. Don't go left. Don't go right? Stay on this road. That's why kids today have issues with skills or shall I say the lack thereof? America's schooling system is extremely crappy
@@imhungry2387 I'm so happy for you that you found a good mix! Congratulations! And wealthy from them? More power to you my friend! Any tips for a newcomer? I'm just starting out
Totally agree. I was fortunate that the local community College was also an AWS test facility and offered not just welding of all types but metallurgy, how to read blue prints, welding symbols, contractor law, and spent time on codes in the class, then hours under the hood. Had to learn how to measure stuff, cut and create per a specific plan set. Great way to supplement skills I already had
I can second that
@michaelhovanec3300 where did you go? I have a 17 year old who's about to graduate high school
Fullerton community college in Southern California. I dont think they are an AWS test facility any longer
Couldn’t agree more with everything you said. Went to a night class for welding with welding experience already, I basically did it for tests an codes all were free with the teacher being an AWS CWI so that was worth the money. Then did an apprenticeship with the pipe fitters here an learned more in a month than I ever have. Def got a subscriber after this one
I’ve learned more from TH-cam than I ever did in 2 years of Welding school.
Well said. Couldn't agree more. I took a few small votec classes for a year then I went and got real field experience working as a helper and now I'm in a great career. Most of what I learned was on the job and in the field!
as a former student i totally agree with this video , i’ve graduated a while back and it’s been a journey even after …got to the point where i’m having to battle the gitters …seeing my hands shake because of not having the confidence / knowledge to be out in the field … but i’m not giving up …. going to seek all the knowledge i can … i just pray for the opportunities and patience along the road. GUYS DO YOUR HW i paid a tuition to know the basics
Unfortunately I know more people who went to welding school who don’t weld, than do. Just keep at it and take every opportunity! There was a podcast out by Joe Rogan recently where the guy talks about Archery. But what he says about getting a better shot, could be applied to welding also
Stay strong buddy
Most of the time people who go to welding school don’t weld, it’s the guys who practice at home who go out and weld
I sent my 18yr old son this video, he's on his way to a comm-college and enroll in the welding curriculum. I have personally told him similar concepts you mentioned here and I agree. Hopefully he watches it and grasps the concept. Thank you for sharing.
Best way to learn about all types of welding is to master oxygen/acetylene welding (no not brazing) , gas welding teaches you puddle control, heat management, penetration and material properties, welding schools rarely teach flame cutting let alone welding..
How is it going ?
i’m in welding school right now watching this and it gave me depression. luv ur vids Anthony!
How did welding school go? I’m planning on going
Took a certification course at my community college (was very cheap), but only did fillet welds all day, learn more at my first job in the first week than I learned months at a school.
I’m happy to hear you say “not all welding schools.” I hate dealing in absolutes, but given that caveat, I agree with the rest of the information. Like all careers that exist, there are good teachers and bad teacher, good welders and bad, good schools and bad. As an instructor myself, I’ve quit a local college that wasn’t properly educating the welders and administration wouldn’t work or pay to fix it. I HATE seeing people taken advantage of, and that’s what I’m hearing you reflect as well. The high school is an awesome free opportunity for students to learn, and in the first year I push the welding heavy - mig, tig, stick, plasma and oxy-fuel cutting. That way year 2 I can focus heavy on the fab side, measurement, and warpage reduction, and holding tolerances, and know I’m not gonna have to hand hold them through setting up the machine or swapping out wire every day. I love the job training facility I work at also, because of how hard they work to get funding for every student. They have quality equipment, the opportunity to learn up to 4 different processes, and usually pay nothing out of pocket for the experience. Keep holding inadequate schools accountable!
My welding course was two years now crammed into 9 months.
Lack of welders they say. Lots of textbook material is getting skipped. I'm 51 going to school after leaving garage door install and repair after 20 years.
I originally tried to get into a community college to learn metal trades as they teach more than just welding, but they lost my transcripts so I had to take a combination welding course at a tech college instead. Kids should graduate HS regardless whether they want to learn a trade or not, as unions sometimes require a transcript for algebra, etc. (depending on your choice of trade).
This man is talking facts
Anthony, Awesome advise I’ve been saying this for years. Our local school teaches to just pass the test for TIG. pipe welding they don’t teach any fabrication skills. Fabrication skills are priceless
thanks you for this. ive been stressing to save up the cash to go to welding school on top of my day job ( electrician apprentice ). I ended up getting insight from a friend whos currently going to that school. so far he says its good but all he's been able to learn is how to pass plate tests. Im pretty sure they teach you how to bevel but certainly no other fabrication skills. i printed out the course outline and alot of the real word applications are just taught through a textbook theoritically. I'll just stick to hustling my way into a small company the same way i did with electrical and learn first hand from there. Whats great is that this school allows you to customize your training as well. Once i get better idea of the industry ill make a decsion whether to go and pay for training
I live in Denmark, i took the education you would call a "welder", but here we learn alot of stuff, we get to do MIG - TIG - Electrode and oxy cutting. we allso learned how to fabricate, from using simple handtools to cnc pressbrakes and cutters. we basicly get to be "Fabricator, fitter and welder". This education took 4 years, not to mention it was free, with a salary the whole time. it would be 10 months in our "company" and 2 months in school, learning new stuff, more and more advanced every time. We allso learned how to do the "certified" weldtest, just so we were ready for them, would we ever need them.
thats the case most of the times in that region of the world, more comprehensive skills training. here in the Usa there as been a lack luster with a lot of instructors ive come across, sometimes they are under equipped, other incompetent
@@MeltinMetalAnthony From what i've experienced apprenticeships seem to be the way to go. Im on my 3rd of 5 years, make good money, and learn all of that as well. We don't go super in depth with welding besides plate tests and sheet metal pipe type stuff at school but combined with practicing at work and home + advice from the journeymen i work with I've learned a ton.
I couldn’t agree more. I worked with two guys at a fabrication shop, one in his 60’s and one 19 years old and neither one of them could read a tape unless it was the half in or inch mark. I went to school for 2 years welding and 1 year machining at NDSCS and I learned how to weld, how to fabricate, how to read a tape and dial caliper. Learned how to tig, mig, and stick weld all types of metal. Only cost me around $35,000 for 3 years including all tools I bought.
This has really made me think more on the school. Knowing the money you make and no school, I understand, and I want to learn more than just welding, just knowing how to tear down, rebuild, reinforce or build is just amazing
Man last year I went to welding school provided by the army and I had to go through OSHA 30. Also learned how to stick, tig, and mig weld. It was the best choice for me because I learn so much better from doing than reading.
Right. It’s hard to start if no one is gonna give you a hand. Community college is a way. Union is a way. Military the way.
I did not go to welding school, I was just a helper in one shop. Theres a guy asked me if im interested to learn welding and fittings. He taught me, I learned, I quit there find better place to improve my new develop skills. Now I make 120k to 140k a year or even more if i want to.
Hey Anthony, I'm a Pile Driver myself. We typically get certified through our apprenticeship.
Splicing pile is only crucial to the point of, it won't break. Same with all the welding that we do .
Went to a good welding technical school. Taught all the stuff you talked about. Don't regret it but I did learn most I know from the different jobs and coworkers I've had in my life. Little tricks here and there. I also think that a big part of being a successful welder is actually falling on love with what you do. I love it and wish I could do it full time but can't seem to figure out how to make that jump. Finding your channel keeps me motivated though! Keep it up man 💪
Yup this guy tells it how it is and people need to realize that it really comes down to school of hard knocks aka get yourself out there and learn how the real welding world actually functions outside the trade school. Because its a whole another animal and you cant screw up too often or tour out of a job basically. Sometimes its best to start out as a laborer or a helper and really really pay attention to how the professionals do it because when the opportunity comes, then it'll be your time to shine. Oh and be good at repairing welds and cutting tacks off and redoing shit cuz you'll be doing alot of that too especially in fitting when stuff dont fit up right in other words dont be lazy because this trade comes down to blood sweat and tears and experience. Yup welding is just one part of it. Some places will hand ya a blueprint and some tools and say here ya go build this and weld it all from scratch with very little supervision. And when the mentor or supervisor or quality guy you work with says that's off too much, you better know how to fix stuff with a cutting wheel or you may have have to grind out or carbon arc out an entire weld because it failed ultrasonic testing. All i can say is it does take trial and error but its also learning from previous mistakes and just learn one thing at a time. Do a little better each time. But it does come down to doing it on an everyday basis. This trade isn't for everybody just like any other profession. Every welding job is different to an extent you may just be a production welder, or you may do both fitting and welding.
I've been watching your videos for a while now and decided to subscribe because you really tell it like it is. I watch you do jobs and you always keep it real. Thanks. I was a certified diesel mechanic then turned welder when the boss figured out I could weld. I had only one welding class in diesel school and the rest I learned by doing. I worked for a company in SLC building aircraft tugs and I would stay late and practice my welding. The "old man" who was a cranky SOB took a liking to me because I was really trying to improve my skill and he taught me a lot. After 30 years of being a mechanic/welder I had a brain fart and went to college. Got a Bachelor of Science degree in Nursing and became an RN in the hospital emergency department. Two years there then worked at a clinic for another 8. Finally retired and now I am getting back into welding just for something to do. Slowly building my skills and tooling back. When you work for a big company they usually have all the tooling, saws, torch, welding machine etc. The one thing I learned after all that is I should have started my own business. You will never get anywhere working for someone else. You cannot run your own business if you are lazy or only want to work 40 hours a week. Keep doing what you do and know I'm watching you. wink wink
My local vocational high school was great, cwi welding instructor and very knowledgeable from years of trade work. Safety was beyond the standard, wouldn’t allow you to mig weld besides to learn the basics but only a week or two then back to stick and tig, couldnt mig weld any class projects, wanted us to be proficient with stick and tig first before we did any mig welding, even then he would joke about it if we suggested mig welding. He said in production shops and quick little things yes it’s the best but if you plan to do repair work or high quality tig you won’t be any different than someone who never went to school if you only mig weld. besides learning joints and metallurgy basics etc obviously. i practiced with a family friend before school started and I as the only one not sticking rods every strike, so watching videos and getting a good cheapo welder to fail with at home will set you up to know the mistakes before you even touch a decent machine
my school (just a community college) had the best teacher ive ever seen. we learned mig, tig, flux, stick 7018 and 6010, all processes flat, vertical and overhead, pipe in all processes, using torch, plasma, cnc plasma table, break, shear, you name it. it was a welding program but you learn a TON of fabrication skills also. It was actually a really hard program and I was a welder for 10 years prior to taking it. I am grateful for that teacher.
I dropped my mechanics career to head to Gillette Wyoming for welding school. I looked all over the US for welding specific schools and chose WWA. They'll teach all aspects of what is welding plus 100% job placement after graduation.
How was your experience at WWA?
You are My Brother from another mother! Its a good feeling to know there are people like me. Hyper, outspoken, down to earth and highly knowledgeable
50 years in the trade 4 year apprentice in a shipyard trained in MMA, TIG, MIG, MAG, SAW, Atomic hydrogen, Air arc day release to college with compulsory night school for the last 20 years a CSWIP and CWS welding inspector of that 10 years at senior level can’t imagine doing anything else
Not many welding schools ever touch on welding sheet metal. They only teach heavy plates and pipes.
Body men are master sheet metal welders
Im going through my local community college now, they have us take a dedicated blueprint reading , metallurgy, and dimensional metrology class. We started with stick, now going into mig then tig.
Same and u can take machining or other stuff on the side Im poor so the shit is literally free so why tf not
we have solid welding teachers at our local community college. but hes right in saying you should know what you want to learn. my local community college had a really solid intro to welding class. 14 weeks for 400 bucks. the amount of material youd use in the class was worth it alone. teacher showed us mig, stick, oxy acetylene cutting, scratch start tig and just explained how much more there is out there. not bad for one class.
@@Brandon-bl8ko yeah forgot to mention we actually learned both oxy cutting and welding.
I've been a welder in a fabrication shop for a year and really wish I saw this video before I had started You're exactly right with it only being 10% of the work and I didn't even know about warping and all this stuff beforehand cuz nobody ever told me in welding school and it's good to hear someone mentioned the money cuz my girlfriend tells her friends that I'm a welder and they're all like oh he must make a lot of money well that's just not the case for a lot of welders
Career Journeyman Shipfitter now starting up my own business- I really appreciate your honesty my man you remind me a lot of guys i've worked side by side with for years!
I fully agree with the difference of Fitters vs. Welders- at the shipyards here in VA typically you have just what you describe; a typical Shipfitter isn't just a "trigger puller" like welders- yes they weld but they are full blown fabricators, they install the job in location with whatever means is most effective and efficient. There is a reason why welders literally watched us bust ass moving superlifts into ships location while they just watched.
When someone calls me a Welder its an insult just as the rest of the Shipfitters. In our line typical craftsmen who become welders are fitters who failed math/couldn't read a ruler or a drawing.
My friend you hit the nail on the head you’ve got to know how to fabricate. I’ve been doing this for 26 years and I’ll tell you right now everybody that comes in the shop looking for a job. All they can do is weld. If all you can do is weld unless you’re just starting out like right out of school. You’re not gonna stand out in a fab shop probably not even get a job there cause everybody in there can already weld.
thank you for this video. i'm curious about welding and never had the chance to give it a try. I grew up in a big city & didn't get any hands on technical skills. I'm 33 now & going to back to community college for a free intro to welding class. For the first month we're getting an amazing lecture on material sciences, physics, engineering.. subjects I never got a chance to explore in high school. learning about safety and some of the extreme dangers, the risk that welders go through is really crazy. there should be more appreciation for the people that do this as a profession!
Definitely! Good luck on your journey
Same age here. About to start in a week
Seriously the best video i couldve ever watched before i take a step into welding school. I was looking at a local comm college. I watched this video, did research and decided against this particular one and found one 1.5 hours away that will teach what i need to learn. Thanks for this video sir. Helped out alot.
I’m in welding school currently and you’re 100% spot on, I learned a lot there but a majority of what I learned that is applied to welding was learned outside of school out in the field
Some of the best advice I've ever heard. I was lucky enough to be in secondary school, (high school), in the 70's. We were tought metalworking, woodworking, technical drawing. All this has now gone in the UK. It was such a good grounding for the future. You can't have everyone working in I.T.
I love u Dana Carvey, WAYNES WORLD ,, WAYNES WORLD... bro ur speaking the truth man, I respect u so much I truly do and admire and thank u so much for all ur help, and for free and it's the realest talk I ever seen on all welding TH-cam channels.... Fr fr thank u sir. 🏆
I've been looking at welding as a change in careers for awhile. I'm thinking of taking a $250 class that ends in certificate that can land me a job. Everyone where I am is wanting cert. And I can already read a tape. Seems better than 30k Although my community College is rated very highly in their welding program, 4k in "training" and equipment seems a reasonable alternative. (Equipment so I have some after work potential.)
Semiconductor silicon sucks. And even after 16 years at it, it pays well, but it is not what I want to do. I knew that from the start but it pays enough. The company I work for is big, but only because of their parent company. They would have folded decades ago if they managed like this without them... but your videos seem to be authentic. You spell out the downsides to things (no one else does that (that I've seen), it's always a happy place filled with money on other channels) and I'm still thinking this is what I'd want to do. I haven't welded before, but think (not like I've been wrong before.... right? We all have.) This would be a good course of action. I've got family that welds, but they are union, so they don't share much as it violates the union rules. Long winded, but thanks for the videos. I Normally pride myself on technical writing....... But not today!
I’m enrolled in community college wanting to weld right now. I start in three days and my whole first semester is machine shop stuff. I weld multiple times a week for my own uses already but I want those certifications. Due to my grades and ACT score I’ll end up paying about $250 per semester and feel comfortable with that investment. I’ve spent more than that on rods and angle grinders.
Most small shops: It's rare that you ONLY weld. Mostly you gotta do a lot of stuff. Welding is just one of the many skills required. In my area our community college is amazing and cheap for welding lessons. But welding is like playing guitar. A lot guys can do it. Some do it well enough to get paid for pickup work. Others can score a steady income. Then you got your Eddie Van Halen prodigies. What I like about this channel is it motivates people to get up and do this. START WELDING NOW! Even "average" welding has its place in this world. Get up and weld!
I got lucky, my school taught everything, we learned how to do all processes, and we learned to read blueprints, and did a lot of fabrication projects ( basic stuff ) it helped me get my first fab shop job, where I expanded on my fabrication skills ( although I still don’t know shit about pipe ) and when I started my own welding business I gotta thank my welding school, I only payed $500, and I got the basics of everything and ofc we perfected our welding which helped a lot at the fab shops so I can perfect my fabrication, now I own my own business, I’m
not the best welder by any means, however for what I do ( similar to Anthony ) it’s good enough, as long as it’s square and the welds aren’t absolutely horrible, I’m good, unless you’re in the pipeline or aerospace, being super-amazing at welding doesn’t mean much. In fact the first question I got during the interview at every fab shop I been to has been ( can you read a tape measure ).
Anthony’s candor😂 is why he is quickly becoming my favorite channel.
Your absolutely right. Especially about knowing how to measure, square, level and find angles. Allot of people don't understand the difference between fabricating and welding or even worse, they think that welding is a higher skill set than fabricating bc they don't know what fabricating actually entails.
Can you explain the right processes to square, leveling and such, is this more comprehensive than using a spirit level from one point only.
@@ryanb1874 can you be more specific? If you are leveling and squaring from a fixed point that you already know to be level and square then it's pretty straight forward... No pun intended. Are you talking flanges on pipe or building a table surface or what?
Truth is, a good school will teach far more than most companies will be willing to teach. Even apprenticeship programs are limited. Schools can be very broad and open many opportunities. Is this necessary? Not really, but if someone wants to make a career out of welding, why not have all the options available?
Going to a two year program also opens up the opportunity to make that into a 4 year program if someone wanted to get into the engineering aspect afterwards.
You are 100% correct about some schools being bad though. It’s up to the student to do their research not only into the school, but also welding careers so they know what they’re getting into and what they should focus on.
My dad was in the army. He showed me one day how they taught him to weld with a car battery if you're ever in a pinch. He is the best welder I have yet to see. He's 87 now and doesn't do much welding anymore. He told me one day something I will never forget. He said, "Any moron can lay a bead. Just like any moron can spray paint. 99% of making a good weld, or good paint job is in the prep work."
Hey Anthony I'm in full agreement with the majority of what you said in this video. I'm a Welding Technology Instructor at my local community college. Any education is always better than no education. There are shitty schools out there like Tulsa up in Jacksonville. I guess the comment that I didn't agree with is the part about a community college instructor making $30000.00 and were you good anyway. With me I wanted to give back so it wasn't all about the money it was about turning out good welders. I and others that instruct were good welders but I choose to instruct to help young men and women true my learn this craft. We're striving to raise the bar by being NCCER certs, osha 30, AWS accredited facility, AWS testing facility, compete in skills usa welding competition, confined space cert, rigging and signalling, etc. I constantly stay in touch with companies to ask what skills they are needing and we tailor ours to accomadate those request. We try. I know this is your channel and you have the right to feel the way you do, say what you want because it's yours. In the future maybe consider not knocking community colleges. Some kids have to get scholarships, Pell grants just to be able to go to school and that's there only choice is the community college or no college. To go to my local community college for 2 years to get a degree in a welding Technology costs about 6000 00 and that's not bad. I did take at least 40 grand cut to teach but I still do well much higher than 30,000.00. The benefits do make up the difference in pay. Long story short if no-one ever taught what kinda opportunities would these kids have. Some of us do it for the future of these young welders trying to do good. Carry on with the good work and great videos my friend
Your the shit man 🙌I’m also a central florida guy , over in Lakeland(Polk county ) been field welding for 7 years after finishing up technical school and I must say your right . The only thing we learned in welding school was to pass plate and pipe tests in all processes . We didn’t learn shit about fabrication, and after school I found out real quick that welding isn’t even the majority of the job unless your in a production shop welding and fuck that . I’d rather be in the field
i bought a buzz box used it’s like 70 years old works perfect and i taught myself how to weld and fabricate. i’ve used 6011, 6013 and 7018 so far
Very cool!
@@MeltinMetalAnthony I made a hitch cover for my jeep all from sheet metal. i made the 2x2 tubing and a cut out a jeep grill it turned out awesome
Agreed. I learned mig welding in a trailer factory, you'd be surprised how many people go into that job not knowing how to read a tape. Plan on going to the local career center to get certified, might as well take the basic course and advanced course while I'm at it since it'd be under a grand for all of it
I went to 3 night classes at the local community college 4 years ago. I was disappointed that there were 35-40 people and one instructor. Most of the kids (I am older btw) were 6-7 weeks in and couldn’t even do a decent bead on flat plate with no filler (with tig). It was unbelievable. Most of the kids graduating with a 2 year degree in welding couldn’t weld as good as I could in stick, and I only had 14 weeks of practice (1 day a week 3 hours).
You know what the best free universities for a lot (not all) things is? TH-cam, and Discord. You can find so much information on there. I literally learned all about different types of electrodes, machines, different types of welding, which is one is best etc.. all from youtube (some discord)
Agree with everything you said…but what other professionals teach you how to troubleshoot or work through a process? Reality is…they teach comprehensive theory and the “how-to”…experience teaches lessons and lessons grow maturity and maturity grows experience. You have to know what you are doing with anything!! Another great video for the guys starting out. I took welding in Vo-Tech…my instructor was a 30-year Navy Retiree and taught us his experiences!! Walked away with all of the Certs and blueprint reading the high priced useless schools taught, for FREE!’ Ended up landing my first job at a company called Frog n Switch…building snowplows…from cut to paint…I was involved. Company paid for my Bachelors and Masters in mechanical engineering! A bit of knowledge goes along way…but those lessons, experiences and maturity take you somewhere!
Some of the best welders i know never stepped a foot into a welding school. Some of the worse i have seen were “certified” and schooled. I been welding my whole life self taught. My dad showed me the basics at very young age maybe 14 i dont remember. I bid into an aerospace welding position at my company and did certified aerospace welds for several years that in a lot of cases had to be die inspected so they had to be right. Point is welding school is only gonna teach the very basics. If you really wanna get proficient go out and buy a welder and start laying beads! And it helps to watch guys like Anthony here. A classroom will NEVER make up for lack of experience. And keep challenging yourself. I have been in the trades for 30 and welding just as long. You never stop learning. I think shadowing someone or being a gopher, helper or apprentice or whatever you wanna call it and get some OJT you probably will be much further ahead in a couple years then spending them in a classroom.
This was arclabs, the school I attended. Crappy instructors that only taught you how to watch the puddle. Now I have no skills, no job and 20k in debt. You called it from the beginning.
I went to a community college for a year, as like a career and technical education thing last year in high school. The instructors were maybe 5 years older than me, (I'm 17) and I never really picked up much from them. I learned how to lay a mig weld down, i learned how to lay a TIG bead down. That's about all I learned. They made it seem like they were the best, and the end all be all. Well, this summer, I decided to go and intern at the local fabrication shop. Within a week, I had learned more than I ever had at welding school. I was put into the Heavy Fab department, and spent a month getting used to it. I got exponentially better at TIG welding, good enough that they moved me from Heavy Fab over to what we call "The Die Side" (Just TIG fab and die welding department), they let me do some little odds and ins, and then they told me "Hey kid, we see it in you, we like the way you work, what do you think about being trained to be a die welder?" Of course, I happily accepted, and now I'm working on alloys that most people have never even heard of, and learning more and more every day. Moral of the story, even if you're young, sometimes welding school isn't the best way to get into it. Often times these younger instructors show up, and they'll let just about anyone teach, and it wont always be the best way to learn, because their only concern is taking your money and filling seats. After experiencing both sides, honestly if you wanna learn, go to a fabrication shop, that way you're gonna learn what to do and when, how to fabricate and repair, and get that hood time with people that actually know what they're doing and will teach you the right way.
I've been trying to get into welding school the past 3 years but couldnt/cant afford it. After hearing you speak it sounds like I have a real chance of getting help to learn by hunting for a mentor/tutor this winter!
Excellent video, I love it. No fucking around, no sugar coating. Keep up the honest truth.!!!
I went to a community College for there 2 year welding course. I had been doing mig and stick for a few years before that, but I wanted to see what I didn't know. Turns out I already knew about of what they were teaching.
But what I seen were the students that were only half interested in doing the work.
I was blessed to attend a really good community college, Cuesta College in San Luis Obispo, CA. They showed me blueprint reading, MIG, TIG, SMAW, FCAW, Brazing, Oxy/acetylene torch, plasma torch, Plasma CNC and CAD, they taught in depth about codes, reading measuring tape and so much more. REALLY good teachers, very humerous and down to Earth. Totally worth my time/money, it cost me less than 800$ at the time!!!!
Good stuff Anthony! Especially the measuring comments!
I bought my own machines... first a stick buzz box, then a wirefeed SP100, then a Tig machine...watercooled Everlast 256si, then a 200 amp Legacy Wirefeed. The cost of welding school at community college is ungodly expensive so i figured I'd just Burn, Learn and Earn at home. Guess what......? Worked out for me....I'm a retired welder with a union pension who had to produce the craziest products with minimal amounts of steel and had to do it quickly... That'll get you fab skills FAST!!!!!!... " Get that built by the end of the day for night shift or your ass is down on the out-of-work list"....You give good advice.... GBYAY
Welding Department Head told us engineering students that we'd never be welders, that was disappointing. It was a 4 year full time course at our UK institute! Fortunately I never wanted to weld undersea oil pipelines! I just bought a welder and became a marine engineer, boatbuilder in all materials and trades, enjoy transport and earthmoving machinery fabrication and repairs. Variety is the spice of life. Doing quite a bit of welding at my house by the beach in the Philippines now 🏖️ Good luck young bucks! 😎
It was a bit degrading applying at a few different shops here recently and having them tell me their starting wage was between 16 and 20 an hour. I have roughly 3 years experience and have certs(not that they mean much but in a shop setting seems to be a "requirement" around here so I got them) when Culver's is hiring at 21 an hour starting... I am looking for something until I can get up and running solo and these places complain about not having guys, are running mandatory 50 hour weeks trying to keep up but can't break 20 to start?!?! Get effed. I did find one welding program out here that was good. But laugh at some of the others I've seen. 2 years to learn to weld and like you said, these frickin kids can't even run a torch to make a clean cut or read a tape measure.
I remodeled my house and hired high school kids to help. Literally had to teach them how to use a cordless drill to drive phillips head screws, read a tape measure or use a shovel.
Seems to me that learning algebra and trig along with basics of fabricating measuring, cutting, grinding, welding, riveting, threading connections, cleaning, painting and safety would serve as basics for anyone interested in a career in fabrication/repair industry. So unless you are lucky enough to have a father/uncle show you these things how do you learn? You can try to teach yourself but that is difficult or get a job where you will get trained and have opportunity to learn from experienced people (also not easy, most of the time guys at work don't want to share what they know just make fun of the "new guys"). So going to school of some sort is necessary along with alot of experience.
As for not liking the wages shops are paying there is a lesson .... if the person doing the work is making less than 20 and hour and the shop charges 100, how do you get to become "the shop". It's more skills to run a legit business but certainly worthwhile to learn them and start working for yourself. Very few get rich working for someone else.
Framers get a lot of sideways looks. A good framer holds a lot tighter tolerances than a lot of people think. It all comes down to square plumb and true. It can all be learned, plenty of places.
I agree 100%. another point to make is: Being self employed If I need a degree or certs of any type I'll hire them..;)
Im in welding school. have bin for the past couple months.
The accuracy of what you are saying is my predicament to a tee. luckily I was that carpenter/general labour dude before and still am during this school so I still use my square and tape measure but shoot..
they aint teaching much.
im glad you have thous skills. you will go far
You can also go apply to apprenticeships at your local union halls or any mechanical contractor that does new construction installs or retro fits
That's right. AWS has determined that every weld process is generally 90% set up and only 10% welding. These weld schools that teach a person to stand in one place and weld all day is ridiculous. They don't have 90% of what it takes to be a welder.
I'm am aluminum fitter at a shipyard and working my way to being a combo welder never picked up a weld gun before this year but I've been a carpenter most of my young adult life so fitting came naturally once I figured out the mig machine I've been getting better and better with my weldin
So true. Good Fabrication skills will help you become a better welder. It just makes life so much easier when thing are properly fit and prepared.
Preach on brother!
Mine was 100% free lancaster county career and technology now I’m a union ironworker you are 100% correct as well, welding is just part of the game
Just looking for somewhere to start. Want to learn a skill that is in high demand and make good money.
WOW! You said what needed to be said!
I am a graduate ofTulsa Welding School I learned how to weld well but had to get schooled on the job!
Now I have my own fab shop and love your content! Keep it up!
glad it panned out!
@@MeltinMetalAnthony it has been a long road! I welded on a coal fired power plant and a C02 recovery plant In the 80s ended up in the Navy because it sucked to be a welder in Oklahoma in the 80s after the oil boom crashed. I got into automotive business and aviation. I operate my fab shop out of my house and love it! I really appreciate all of your tips!
Oh, working for a major airline I have met a few of the literally world's greatest welders! They do just like you said, they write their own process for the manufacturer of certain parts to follow.
One guy had engineers from a gearbox company watch him for a week to learn how to fix their own part!
I start Tulsa Welding School in Houston next month. How was your experience there with learning to weld? I’m going for their Welding Specialist w/ pipefitting program.
@@Nico-zl7tr like I stated I learned how to weld at school buy you will learn most on the job
Another stellar video Anthony! Totally agree with everything you said. Like the old saying goes......"those who can't DO....TEACH".
Lol dude you sound just like my dad.... And you are correct sir!!! My dad taught me fabrication many many years ago back when I was 18 and he told me fabrication is most important to know because welding can come easy afterwards. All these years later after working in different shops I can say that is very true. Learning lay outs and forming such as rolling and bending will make you much more money than just welding. I am 36 years old now and am working on starting my own sheet metal fab shop now. I never stepped foot in a classroom other than the shop. I did all my learning with my pops in the shop fucking shit up lol. This is awesome dude... Keep up the great work!!!
im going to a welding school now in the two year program just got done with my first year where we learned to tig, mig and stick
and fabricate. the second year is for pipe welding
The tape measure hit home with me. I tried to hire some people to help me do some carpentry on my house. 3/4 of the people that showed up to interview couldn’t even read a tape measure. A tape measure is the simplest but invaluable tool. If you can’t read one you are unbelievably limited.
I am so confused. How do you test for this? This is just so alien to me that I am trying to figure out how you test for this. I have proof that somedays I don't know how to read a tape measure by the fact that piece that I made is off a 1/4" or more but I think that is different than what you and Anthony is saying. :)
@@nmopzzz fastest way to check if someone can read a tape is to say cut me 3 pieces of wood at the lengths written on a piece of paper. 1 at 10 and 5/8th, 1 at 6 and 3/16th, and one at 4 and 3/4. Many people say the can read a tape that actually can’t, if they can read it the cutoff pieces will match what you want. Reading a tape measure isn’t hard, it just takes practice.
Lincoln Electric welding school 1973 10% class 90% welding. 10 week course $300. Stick and Tig then I was employed at American Shipbuilding where I really learned how to weld all-position!
LOL----Estine, all schools are just a steppingstone to understand the basic things...
It's a learning curved to everything during your experience.
I'm a welder at a motorsports fab shop, run a mig all day welding parts. Gotta stack dimes and make it pretty, which is probably the only reason I get paid as much as I do.
Anthony is 100% right. Mig is brainless if you just need it to hold, if you need it pretty it's quite a bit harder, which is the only reason I enjoy my job as much as I do.
OMG Learn to read a tape. I totally agree most kids have no idea on how to read a tape. Everyone wants to just weld. My first test for new hires are tape skills. AWS has test facilities all over. I have sent 3 employee's to test for a job or two who have never attended a welding school. but were good hands and great welders / fabricator hands.
Graduate from IOT and let me tell you could never be more right. The ventilation is the worst in that school along with everything else. I could have seen this video a lot earlier.
I got 4 years of welding school for free at public school. 2 years of shop and 2 of trade school. Learned every kind of welding and always stayed to learn and went in on weekends to keep learning. Do it while you're in high school get an internship then retire by 40. You've already put yourself 4 years ahead of everyone else. If they offer it take it.
I also believe that all of the fabrication skills you refer to are critical. Most of the basics like tape reading and following a line should be done in grammar school, but that's another topic.
It's called welding school because the main focus is teaching people how to weld and to read a weld pool, the ultimate factor of any welding job. If you can't weld, you don't get the job or you look like an idiot after trying. You don't learn how to penetrate pipe or plate while you're learning to read a tape measure or make accurate cuts.
We have a guy that just got out of a "welding school", but he can't penetrate 18ga stainless. My CC didn't teach tape reading or how to make consistent cuts because it was expected that you already knew that or could figure out what 5th graders learn to do, follow a line. We focused on welding, how to read a weld pool, read your HAZ and the metallurgy because that's what's important if you want to do critical welding or not have your weldment open up like a zipper.
That focus on welding gave me the ability to learn from a Master Blacksmith whose been working longer than I've been alive. He handed me four exotic metals I've never welded before as my weld test and that knowledge I learned at CC by just focusing on the welding is what landed me that incredible opportunity.
I agree that there is always a better way, but I don't believe there's a right or wrong way. I know structural guys that went through the traditional apprenticeship that don't know the first thing about TIG welding, we have TIG welders at our shop that don't have a clue about stick, MIG or oxyfuel cutting and to each their own. If they are content with being ignorant one trick monkeys, so be it, I'll take all of the work they don't know how to do.
Cac in Az has a great welding program cwi teachers pipe structural unlimited test tried within the semester without extra cost, teach all five processes. You get certified through AWS. Fabrication experience and they are not expensive like welding schools. And they don’t let you cut corners on the test just so you u can get a certification.
which I think is a better thing, a lot fo these bend test I see on forums would have never passed at a testing facility
Thanks for these videos. Exactly no one else puts this information out there and especially like you.
Learn to measure and use all the tool cut with a torch learning every welding process pass all test and also to prep the material and to make things to where people ask for your business
I am a hobbie welder, I've been watching you for tips and learned a lot. That said a youngin wanting to learn the basics for free can join the military and pick an MOS that involves welding, or like my stepson, he went to job corp and they got him a basic free training that got him a job and the rest was OJT.
YOU'RE making perfect sense some are only interested getting your money and don't give a damn if you learned anything
I went to welding school, 2 semesters out of 4. Dropped out. 30k in debt, never got fully paid off. Leanred how to torch, stick, mig, and tig weld, a little metallurgy and some required math and other credits. But never got those certs and left a $1500 set of tools there. Make a modest living tattooing now amd love it. Always thought about trying to get back into fitting, welding, fabricating but, ehh.. tattooing is where my heart always was. 120 per hour on a %split with the shop, and only have to work anywhere from 0 to 5 hours a day, on my own schedule
My buddy went to a county college that had a welding program. They taught all the processes and how to get your certs. When you finish you get a associates degree. It’s not a bad setup they have.
💯 best decision I made yet lol they payed me to learn etc. It took two years total though 😉
nobody give 2 fucks about a silly Ass Degree. Can ya weld and show up on time every day???
@@davidspin5353 that part! Thats how it works in the real world
fuck at this point, can ya just show up lmao
welding school at AWI in Vermont starts March 7th for me. Covered 100% by the VA.