What's the Deal With Gibson?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ก.พ. 2022
- Tonight, we take a deep dive into Gibson's affairs, and see why their reputation is the way it is.
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If you let kids paint a guitar they always paint a LP or Strat contour… at this point the LP shape is a public good!
Gibson disagrees
@@sixstringtv1 idc, the only thing I care is that you keep making this good content. I’m glad our fav guitar TH-camr KDH featured you. ;)
I will keep delivering the goods, promise 😁😁
Or a Flying V
True
Gibson is the guitar embodiment of the "I was the captain of the football team... back in highschool".
Great line! Enough said!!
Nice
Bundy
facts
like uncle rico
Fender handles these things just so much better. They have a great image, their guitars can be used in any style, they have things that suit younger generations and older generations. There's the ubiquitous Stratocaster shape and there's Fender that has undiluted brand value, the copies are just copies and not the real deal (whereas with Gibson's products, the real deal is by a different company than Gibson itself). The difference is huge in terms of brand and company management.
100% agreed. Fender has been innovating a lot too recently. I really want a Player series Meteora
Yeah Gibson should follow fenders business model.
The thing is, if you don't aggressively defend your copyright you lose it. Gibson didn't for decades and has def fucked them up. I do get why they're do my a lot of these. No I'm not a Gibson player, strats only.
@@sixstringtv1 purchased a Fender P player series bass and its solid as a rock.
This. I'm not a Fender fan but any I have played were superb. If anyone asked me what to buy for a proper strat I would say Fender. Hopefully Fender will make a proper Les Paul one day and then I can get a decent one.
You forgot about losing the Les Paul trademark in Finland, where now the name "Les Paul" just means any singlecut LP-esque guitar.
Hey man, I discovered you through KDH. Sorry about the copyright strike. Hope the channel is growing.
It sure is 🤩
Strats often refuse to go out of tune. I don't know what they do to make them so stable, but I approve of it.
Facts
I don't know about that...my Strat goes out of tune just like my Gibsons ...nothing major ,,..they go out of tune like my Ibanez,esp,b.c. rich...No guitar is perfect.
Strings in line with tuners, low headstock angle, and a good nut.
Everyone needs a good nut.
I may need a good setup, but my Strat goes out of tune pretty easily
When Gibson sued Ibanez it made sense for trademark protection
But by the time Gibson took action Ibanez had changed the headstocks
the production of these videos are so good, I thought this was a massive channel the first time I watched you. I hope you'll remember us once youre famous, man!
When the channel takes off I'll always remember who made it possible. Thank you for watching, you're one of the OGs
One little correction, kirk didn't drop ESP. he made it very clear that he will work with both
To be fair, Metallica can play what they want. I wouldn't wanna be the lawyer to tell Hetfield or Hammett that they can't use the guitars they want
@@sixstringtv1 hahah
I like your video, the only thing I think you are being unfair is the "price" segment.
You are comparing a historic (super high end gibson) to a S2 (low end USA PRS).
Following that premise you could compare a Fender Tele Custom shop with a Fender Mexico and say the same thing.
The comparison was very superficial for me.
I have both a Gibson LP Standard and a LP Historic R9 and even them are very different guitars.
And to be fair I'm not a gibson fan boy, I love gibson guitars but I hate the gibson company.
PD: sorry about your Yngwie Malmsteen video, I was very good.
My point was that they *aren't* very different guitars... the specs are near identical
@@sixstringtv1 Yes but in a very superficial way.
PRS are a lot thinner than Les Pauls.
One of the reasons why a historic cost much more is that they use low weight woods.
If you made a PRS the same width of a LP it would weight a lot more, like a LP standard does.
The paint is very different, also the neck.
The fuckers at gibson use the R9 neck shape only in the R9, and I haven't feel that neck shape in any other brand.
The neck edges also very different, those are all small details.
I don't think they should charge that much for them, but its their brand.
Not even a Heritage feels like a R9, that its my point.
If the comparison was made with a LP Standard I think it would be more fair
@@sixstringtv1 One thing for what I really hate gibson is that they take some specs hostage, and only use them in the very high end models.
Specially the neck, the neck shape of any current Les Paul is very different from a R9.
And the use that to charge you more.
Not because its more expensive to make.
Also de carved, the R9 carved its not the same of the standard.
It's no more expensive to make, just charge you more for it.
Love my Vintage brand LP. I've hardly touched the originals because they are stupid expensive. The Vintage nails the sound, feel, and look of the Gibson at (s/h) 1/10 the price. It stays in tune and the neck and headstock have lasted 10+ years. More money doesn't mean more better and personally I rock cheap (but good) kit. Great vid BTW!
I’ve had an epiphone lp back in the day that I bought new for $250, it wasn’t terrible. I always wanted a Gibson but couldn’t afford one at the time. Later on in life, I started playing in church. One of the other players played on the pastor’s Gibson lp studio, he had to tune his after every song, sometimes the bridge would snap the strings while it was sitting on the stage stationary. The guitar was kinda old so he decided to get a brand new Gibson studio, and still had the same issues as the old one, he literally had to have extra strings on hand because I would snap a string almost every other Sunday! At that time I had a Jackson 7 string soloist, I loved my soloist, it was quality, I hardly ever had to tune it, I never busted a string on it, it sounded great! I still wanted a Gibson but seeing that kinda quality, I will never own a Gibson for playing, I may own one, one day to put on display somewhere.
I just got my 1st LP in a trade...a 2017 faded high performance. It has a thinner(for gibson) wide thin neck, PAFs that are a little extra hot, the pickgaurd clicks on and off, locking bridge/stop bar, and the newer version of the electrical self tuning system...
The guitar is pretty damn good and the QC is totally on point. The neck is wide thin(my fav.) And it has modern specs like i like, but i also just got a solar e1.6frlb in a trade(less than half the msrp of the gibson) and i reach for the solar more. Maybe its cuz i like shredders more?
Great video man! Binging all your stuff today. I do like the longer ones better though. I just get all into the vid and then it's over.
Guess that's a good thing though right?! :)
Found ya from KDH and I love both of your humor and views. Totally peeps I would hang out with if our neighborhoods were closer. lol
You're doing great man!
Now... The binge continues!!!
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Nice work. Hope your channel continues to grow. I really like your presenting style.
Thanks! 😄
To my knowledge Kirk Hammett didn't leave ESP for Gibson. He uses and repressnts both brands nowadays. ESP just announced a new Kirk Hammett signature guitar, which obviously shows that he is still with ESP. But at the same time he is also doing stuff with Gibson.
I love the way you presented all of the info in this video, it made me laugh a couple of times while still being very informative about how this company really is, great video!
One more, my buddy has a chibson double cut lp (I believe it's a firefly?) that we put quite a bit of time setting up and slapped a real Epiphone p90 into and it sounds and plays friggin amazing. I'm thinking he has 300$ maybe 350$ into the whole rig and (aside from dealing with customs) is super happy that he's got an iconic guitar that plays and sounds awesome. Once again, it's really not about $, it's about understanding your instrument and putting the time and effort into it to make it the best it can be☺️
I really hope all of this comes full circle and Fender (as Gretsch) file a lawsuit against Gibson for their use of a single cut design.
Hey there! I own one Gibson guitar which was given to me after someone threw it out a second floor window because his dad told him to turn down. Of COURSE the headstock was broken, on the diagonal. Not bad for a 25+ft.(7.62 meters)drop. I had it fixed, I had to have a new headstock put on it. It's a very strong repair, because a couple of years ago I parked my car on it, and it was fine.
The rest of the guitars are Fender Squires, old archtop acoustics, and a few basses, none of them Gibson's. I'm really freaking happy with the Squires I bought. I'm on the waiting list for a Yamaha Revstar.
I still love my Gibson Les Paul's. I own a 1992 Gibson Les Paul Classic Plus, gorgeous guitar, thin 60s profile neck, amazing flame top, the tone is just awesome! I have had my run with Fender, PRS, Ibanez, Jackson, always told everyone I would never own a Gibson, but for the last 7 years I have owned atleast 6 different Gibson instruments, I have finally found the right one!
Took a while to find the right one 😂😎
Yup, I've been playing for 30 years now, started with a Kramer 100 st, Van Halen is my biggest influence. I love Gibsons heritage, not so much what they have become. Their Quality Control has gone out the window years ago. Anything from the earlier 90s and before, I actually really enjoy but their company has become more about marketing, than focusing on their reputation they once held very dear to them. Unfortunate Kramer is no longer their own entity anymore either, Gibson bought them out and the guitars are not what they once were. If they would stick to their original plan, to build high quality instruments, focus on just that, they would still be on the top of their game but alot have given up on them since all of the other newer companies have come about, building amazing instruments at a much more affordable cost. I am by no means a Gibson snob but I am definitely a Les Paul style guy, I'm used to heavy guitars, no 2 guitars are identical, every single les paul will sound different even if they are built the same day, same factory, there are always very subtle differences, but makes a huge difference in tonality. I owned 2 Gibson Sgs, same models and year, just different colors. They both sounded different from eachother, not a massive difference but enough to be able to pick my "go to" guitar. I still have a huge spot in my heart for Jackson!!
@@sixstringtv1 That goes for any brand....keep playing you will understand the older you get.
i have to say, i had alot of guitars went trough my life. ESP high end, Jackson, charvel, PRS i trade the guitar so i can try alot of different brands. I dont get attached. However recently i finally picked up a 2001 les paul special with humbuckers. And its actually pretty awesome, i tried a tribute and a studio before but never ended up trading for them they felt like a furniture more then a guitar, they were heavy and cluncky. But this was just feels good sounds awesome and inspiring the neck is not that thick. Also I know remember i tried a custom shop ES it was really good. I havent played a fender I like. I had a American teli high end its sounded good but i wasnt feeling it with the neck, and a 90's mexican strat with horrible neck however they sounded really nice tho but didnt vibe with them
I've tried all the brands myself, doing the same like you :) but now I've ended with an own custom shop small luthier-built guitar. It has all the things I wanted, which you don't find on one shop instrument. I love my flat fretboard, Quild Maple humbucker covers, own design headstock, etc etc. Now my urge to find another ”perfect” instrument is over, I'm sticking with my Cosmik Guitare axe. :D
@@GuitarNewz that's always the best. ❤️
Honestly I have never heard anyone say that about a fender neck even their cheapest guitars I've seen had good necks.
T. o. c or ocd. I had several too. I ended with a strat hss.
Always educational AND entertaining.
BTW I had no idea about that guitar the Gibson modeled the Les Paul after!!
What Hypocrites!!
Now I would be pissed if someone copied Neal Moser's Rich Bich guitar whilst working for Bernie Rico who started B.C. Rich.
How many strats do you have? Guitar collection video coming soon? That Splattercaster you showed off in the BC Rich video was interesting.
To me, guitar collection videos kinda feel like "hey look at all the stuff I have"...
But since so many people have asked I might get round to it sometime 😁
your videos are awesome. I hope your channel gets bigger
I hope so too 😁😁
This has got to be one of my favorite videos you have made
But just like all of my favorite things I found something missing
Where is the part about the firebird 2
Would have fit perfectly after the part where you talk about gibson’s lack of innovation
This is a wonderful channel after finding it from watching multiple channels recommending to I am glad I am now subscribed. I own 2 Gibsons. QC during the ages I have bought them was 50/50. I really love my firebird but my lespaul has so many issues cropping up today. I am tempted to for what it is worth right now give it my own personal makeover. I already replaced the tuners on the Les Paul with locking d'addario tuners some years ago. I have replaced the nut for extra heavy string guages. I kept the pickups and electronics. Now the Firbird is real nice, not too impressive however its so versatile, I love the neck and feel and shape for playing. I love the pickups too on it. The tuners can be a little wacky it took my months to get used to them at first i deconstructed them and reconstructed them to understand what the hell they were. The angle of the neck in correlation to the body is strange its not straight but how the pick ups and the bridge are in correlation to this was such a huge wrap around for my head. I had to mess with the hieghts of those things after change guages. Also zero fret zero brass nut system though trying to make the players life easier with the easy go to adjustments its applications for blues playing are supreme but you can use it for some really interesting non traditional style play styles. All kinds of open/chordal tunings are nice on it. The mini humbuckers aren't as saturated as humbuckers for metal so there is a different sound quality when playing. Overall i don't hate Gibson but for what they've become they are really overpriced and when a generation of players grow up playing different guitars on the market that are way less expensive and have way more about them then for the exorbitant price of a Gibson you will see a player shift where its the least bought brand. I was one of those kids at some point where Gibson was the brand I wanted but if I had a been who I am now I'd have just gotten something that is way more versatile(i.e. has a great trem system or doesn't go out of tune from treming away, has great hardware and pickups, looks and feels inviting comfortable to play.) Modern Gibsons lack an inovation factor.
I've owned a few Epiphone Les Paul Customs and they were fantastic. I still own my 2003 Gibson Les Paul Studio and it's amazing. The newer Gibsons are not worth the money. The QC issues are unforgettable and the lawsuit thing is out of hand.
My Wylde Audio Odin Rawtop and LTD EC-1000 both play like a dream and cost a fraction of what a Gibson does.
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Thank you for laying out all the resons I'll never own a Gibson in one video. I do think Les Pauls look cool, but ill never own one. I've owned an Ibanez lawsuit lp and it was... fine. Wasn't in the best shape when I got it, so I ended up tearing it all down and harvesting all the parts.
Great video brother nice work I am 61 yrs young and I learn things from bud good job
Glad you liked it!😁
"Vastly below average tuning stability"
Damn LPs :)
My favorite guitar is a Gibson SGJ that I modded to within an inch of its life. Cost me $300 when I first bought it. At that price it was a steal of a deal. Nowadays I would never buy a Gibson because the value just isn't there.
Great channel! Very entertaining. Purchased a Les Paul Studio back in 2004 and was highly disappointed... heavy, fat/slow neck. Immediately resold and picked up an American Stratocaster HH and an Ibanez 5 string Ergodyne bass and had a little cash left in my pocket when all was said and done. I got caught up with the hype but was ultimately disappointed and now forever a strat fan.
Strat fam! 😎
i have a 1981 les paul deluxe, was my main guitar for years and its a really good example of what people like in a les paul, despite the mini humbuckers it sounds like a les paul too, i will never sell it but i have evolved into liking guitars with non locking trems, splittable humbuckers and strat style bodies these days, the les paul shape doesnt agree with me anymore
I agree that their pricing is silly in some cases but comparing Custom Shop 59 reissue with affordable PRS S2 (which is a good guitar in it's own right) is not fair. Surely on paper specs might look remotely similar but if you actually try them out you will see and hear how different they are. You can (theoretically) compare 59 to something from PRS Private Stock in the same price range but even then their feel and sound is so so different to the point when I don't even think they compete with each other. Personally I would much prefer 59 because I like big necks, unpotted low output humbuckers and chunky bodies but it's a matter of preference.
I have a 80s Les Paul Special I love and will never get rid of but I haven't bought a Gibson since I bought that one in 97'.What cracks me up are the fan boy Gibson TH-cam channels that get a $7000 Custom Shop guitar and overlook the tool marks on the fret board but if they rarely get another guitar like say a $1700 Fender they freak out about a miniscule flake in the paint.Gibson gets away with it because people don't return the garbage ones as long as they can say they own a Gibson.Just subscribed to your channel and enjoying going through your catalog.
thank you for giving credit to App! He is the most creative luthier of all time!
I just started watching your videos. I’ve been trying to learn to play for years with huge gaps in between. Finally I dusted off my guitar which I bought about 10 years ago. A BC rich mockingbird made in Indonesia. Which I customized by putting SD invaders on it. I’ve been practicing religiously for a month at least 2 hours a day and between 8 to 10 hours on the weekends. I love the way it sounds and seems to be decent quality for the 300 bucks I paid at the time. I bought some measuring tools and been learning all that. It seems to be pretty solid on the measurements and responsive to adjustments. I don’t really have a baseline of what a good guitar feels like and such but, I was a bit bummed out to see your video you made on the brand. Anyway I like your videos pretty cool source of info on these brands. I’ll dig through your content to help me buy a new guitar once this one no longer suits me.
I bought a Gibson Les Paul Trad Pro V last year for 1,800.00. Afterward I started checking out all these TH-cam videos with people complaining about cosmetic defects, tuning stability and the head stock on expensive custom shop Les Paul’s. I feel like I lucked out. Mine plays great, looked perfect out of the box and can stay in tune for weeks. It’s the best guitar I have ever owned. If I buy another electric guitar though I will probably get a strat just for something different.
Highly recommend a Strat.
Well I have a Gibson Les Paul Standard 50s in heritage cherry sunburst, and it sounds and feels excellent. No tuning problems and no cosmetic issues.
gibson feels to me like the harley davidson of the guitar world
honestly i own a gibson slash les paul in vermilion burst and i haven’t had problems with said guitar, sounds nice plays well, etc. i have no clue how setup it was out of the box since i wasn’t that advanced when i got it but i haven’t played any other gibson (besides a nice classic in a guitar center in 2021) to decide whether they are good or terrible. honestly they could be terrible and i got lucky but who knows lol.
You probably got lucky 😂
To be fair, you can't compare a custom shop historic reissue with a production model PRS. The custom shop is going to be more expensive. There is a Les Paul model available at the price point of the PRS, the Les Paul Classic. The Classic has the same specs as the Custom shop, plus some electronic stuff. It just misses the point of a historic reissue, which is built to historic spec as accurately as possible. Rest of the video is pretty spot on.
Built accurately, but not... well 🤷🏻♂️
How do you know it isn't built well? Have you played it? Have you held it up close and examined the build quality yourself? What are you basing that assessment on?
Q:The really nice ones are stupidly expensive, and the more pedestrian ones are not as good as other brand models the same price...
A: What's are Gibson guitars !
I always liked SG Style Guitars. My favourite player Mickey Jones of the UK based Welsh band Man always used on. Gibson was way out of my price range, but I found a very nice Westfield guitar with poor quality tuners & nut. A minor upgrade and I feel I have a quality instrument, the wood is great, and the finish looks lovely. The pickups could be better but are ok, there is a guy in a Scottish isle winding his own pickups that are really excellent for the price. There are ways to get a Gibson Style guitar without selling your soul to them
I really like the sound of SGs. Not particularly versatile, but very good at what it does.
I'm a Strat guy through and through, always have been. One year I decided to give gibson the old college try and I bought an SG standard. Not a bad guitar, then I went all in and bought a Les Paul standard $$$. I played them for a couple months and then I decided to face it, they are over priced crap . I also own a Les Paul knock off (Carparelli S3) which is much better than the real thing. And don't get me started on the Les Paul group on Facebook. I had a picture of my knock off in the same frame as the Les Paul that I was actually taking a picture of and the moderators booted me from the group. Plus Strats are a far superior instrument. This was an awesome video, great job man.
every time you make that headstock joke i think about the dark cherryburst epiphone les paul i got to play ONCE
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I bought a heritage h-157 back in 2005 at the Kalamazoo guitar center for 500$ with the electronics not working. Well, after a bit of soldering and a new input jack, I've got a, well, priceless 1996 Kalamazoo made heritage Les Paul. Damn thing sounds absolutely amazing. She's not super minty by any means, being my main gig guitar for many years, but it still sounds like the badass Michigan made guitar that it is. Screw Gibson, I'll take a heritage any day😉
Just bought my first Gibson a month ago. A Les Paul, Adam Jones Signature.... I really love it. Its a solid guitar, sounds great.. But it did cost too much and goes out of tune a little faster than I would expect. I was always an Ibanez guy but I really love this Gibson
I have a 6 Eyebanez boom bass, baby crap brown green.
Its fun.
Just bought my first Gibson a month ago. A Les Paul, Adam Jones Signature.... I really love it. But it did cost too much. I was always an Ibanez guy
There was always something I hated about gibson before I knew about the quality control issues. For me being a metal player they never really stood out. I've always been a music man fan boy, I own a jp7 and jp6 along with the first majesty 8 string and those guitars are Hella expensive but worth every penny in terms of craftsmanship and innovation going into them. Their customer service is the best I've had the pleasure of dealing with. People always seem to forget to look into music man or Sterling. If people want to jump ship on gibson (which they probably should) they should try music man
I love music man guitars, need to get my hands on the new Tosin Abasi model.
@@sixstringtv1 you should talk about music man in one of your videos
Well idk, nothing really interesting to say. They're pretty much objectively amazing
You’re back! 🤘🙌🖤
And doing what I do best, ranting about big companies 😁
@@sixstringtv1 this was a fantastic take dude I really enjoyed it
Back in the 1990s Gibson briefly lost endorser Dickey Betts to PRS. I remember Dickey expressing his complaints with Gibson at the time. He said he couldn't get replacement parts, probably meaning pickups, for his road-worn Goldtop Les Paul, that were as good as the originals. And he said that you've still got to put pickups into a good piece of wood, implying that the wood in his PRS guitars was better than what Gibson was using at the time. Shortly after that, Gibson got him back as an endorser. I never heard the details about how that was accomplished.
I can tell you how it was accomplished... money
one thing about Gibson bro... Nitro lacquer finish. I wish more brands had nitro finishes.
What's so good about it? Natural relic effect is nice but you cant even put it in a stand without damaging it
Nitro is a living finish that never really cures. Poly can be hard AF and nearly indestructible, a good choice for someone actually playing out... but it will never age like Nitro.
Play + Time + Poly = dinged up chrysler le baron
Play + Time + Nitro = gorgeous 🎸
@@sixstringtv1 Personally I find nitro finish on the neck to be nice and slick. It doesn't have that plasticky sticky feeling you get with gloss poly.
@@sixstringtv1 that's just it, the natural relic effect, the smell of a new nitro finish in the case... I don't mind little dings and nicks on my guitar but I generally treat them carefully anyways. Also I found it interesting when my guitar teacher (with multiple neoclassical albums and his own custom shop guitar company) mentioned how he swears by nitro finish (over basswood specifically on his personal builds.) The finish is physically much thinner than any poly finish and he claims it results in more of a "bell-like" tone to notes, the actual tonewood of the guitar can be accentuated more. Just food for thought, I don't own any nitro guitars currently XD
LOL! I like your style 😎entertaining informative stuff🤘🏼
Thanks! 😁😎
Check out Eyb Guitars. Best deal I ever did. I have 2 Eybs, a Les Paul and an Iceman style and both totally custom otherwise (wood, hardware, colour and so on). For a rather reasonable price, given the quality of them.
I gotta check those out!
So.... like Fender?
I own a Gibson US Les Paul, which I bought for 650€ NEW with no significant discount before they went bust. It was my fault really. I love it, it plays very nicely, sounds great, feels super nice and has a nitro finish. Bargain of my life. My Fender road worn Tele(Mexico), which I also love, cost me almost double of that. My PRS clone Fame Forum was more than double new, but I bought it used, for the price of the Gibson, because nobody knows what fame forum is. Out of all three of these guitars, my Gibson is my favourite. And probably worth the most at this point in time.
If any other company wants to go down and sell me a super guitar for too little money, I am here for you!
I'll keep my 1950 Gibson ES-150 archtop and my 1960 Les Paul Custom any day. 1960 was the last year Gibson ruled. Lucky me.
LedHed Pb 207.20 🎶 🎸 🎹
The best gibson I've ever played is my epiphone dot studio.
To be fair, with the 70s ibanez suit the early Ibanez's were deliberatly made to be almost 1:1 copies.
Yeah but at that point the LP shape was basically public domain already with how many people were copying it
I've owned a few gibsons throughout my musical career, a LP, an SG, and an Explorer, and the only one that ever stayed in tune was the Explorer and it was the one I held onto the longest. But I have to say my explorer was still too expensive for what it was. I sold it and got a jackson at a fraction of a price and the jackson not only sounds better to my ear but it plays better and has more features on it. Never buying gibson again unless it's a bargain used buy that I could flip for some quick cash
Funny in a grim way that the only Gibson you ever had that stayed in tune was the one with a 6 in line headstock eh, that's not a coincidence I don't think. I'd just stick to guitars with a decent break angle and 6 in line headstocks
The only positive is that Gibson for a few years ago uses PLEK treatment for their frets even at the cheapest models. You can have a very very low action and still is playing good. I agree with the rest but their fretwork is excellent. I own a LP which I don’t play a lot, I prefer my other guitars.
I like Gibson guitars, not necessarily the company. I do understand the issue people have with them. One thing I will mention is the price comparison is a bit off. You compared a Gibson Custom Shop model to a lower priced PRS S2. More accurate would be a price comparison between an S2 and a Gibson USA production model, or even a Studio for that matter, which costs about $1700.00
I just bought my first real guitar a Jackson becuase it suits me perfectly and was most importantly $200 which was perfectly my budget and I have plenty if not to much of choice for that price... Which Fender the owner brand of Squire and Jackson has a $200 for each of it's brands while I don't think Gibson even has an instment for that price...
Agree 100%!! Hope Gibson doesn't sue for showing their guitars without paying royalties
True. Thing is, it would be easy for Gibson to fix the headstock but the endorsers played the ones with the old design,. They're locked in, no easy way to change it. Or they can sue, whatever works.
All that I can say is that kirt hammets greeny les Paul was put back together wrong and it sounded way Better
The Barettas would be the Holy Grail rocker guitar if the neck had Jackson's neck profile for speed and 24 frets. The look is perfect. Jmo.
yeah the gibson seal of snobbery... I did buy a harley benton last year 335, I just think they are "cool"...this was because I'm older not really playing with people anymore and my vox(had an old custom 24) neck broke...I tried to re-seat it but it's a neck through and my intonation was never quite right after that...but I'm totally happy with my HB...didn't need a lot of work, just a bit of tweaking to get rid of a tiny bit of fret buzz(acually on fret was not properly seated..but I liked this video. I'm not totally sure why the HB's are so inexpensive..it kinda worries me(modern slave labor and all)
I'd love to get a modern steinberger, but can't be arsed to get a gibson one.
Nahhh
Fender Tele VS Gibson LP in regards to durability is like 🧱 vs 🧻
I do like a couple Gibson models (Firebird, ES-335) but every time I watch these type of videos it makes me never want to own one ever again.
You missed ESP being sued because they had 4 control knobs on their now eclipse line.
In late 2018 I bought 2 Gibson's try to help them out and get myself a good deal. One was OK for what I paid but not in the price it was made to sell for. The other one was ok appearance wise but was assembled and "setup" like it was done by someone with Zero experience and no instructions. QA sighed off and the Gibson baby pictures like all was well. Neither guitar have been out of their cases since late 2018. I was that miffed and just didn't want to play them. While you want to give anybody a pass for tough times I wasn't feeling much for Gibson . Later one when the new management stepped in it... with the "Authentic" fiasco I went pretty much to being Gibson hater. Snobs with a bank roll acting like they did everything good that ever happened by buying a busted brand. When Gibson did that and then started the "collection" crap like they were a Paris fashion house I knew I had bought my last Gibson's. Authentic means no new ideas, living off the past.
The PRS S2 line is more comparable to Gibson's Tribute/Studio/Classic series and are competitively priced with them.
Plus it won't break and stays in tune ;)
The Studio, Tribute and Classic are all different in price ranges. Classic was supposed to be one of the higher end guitars when they started production. Studio and Tribute are both more of an entry level Gibson. Some of the earlier Classic Les Pauls still hold their value, I own the 1992 Les Paul Classic Plus, still worth around $2500
@@sixstringtv1 To be fair, they don't spontaneously break due to string tension and temperature changes as you implied in the video. You do need to drop it for that to happen. Everything else was a fair critique. Regardless, my 79 custom is still may favorite guitar of all time and it isn't because of the name on the headstock. It truly is the best playing guitar I've ever owned. Just goes to show you that even with the design flaws inherent in a Les Paul, there are players that feel it has just the right mojo and for the record, I own 7 Gibsons and never broke one.
Brilliant revealing expose’.
That's all funny and mostly true… But why did you compare Custom Shop Gibson to the S2 PRS? They are from completely different leagues. Gibson equivalent of the S2 PRS is a Studio series guitars. Seems very misleading…
Anyway, love your videos! Keep up what you're doing. Just don't make those kind of mistakes again.
Lmao ..I just bought a les Paul today .....🤘
Woops...
Ha ha ..Gibson rules...keep on rockin. Your channel is awesome
Dave mustaine here, great guitar! Way better then previous models.
lol loser
the new Gibson 50's LP Standard's are legit AF...
glad they returned to the recipe... just wish you didn't have to go custom shop for 1pc backs... so yeah... come on guy$
The only people that are paying those new Gibson prices are the rock and roll boomer Lawyers, that have the money to burn, and the weekend Harley in the two stall garage. So they can get together with their garage band "Twisted Fate" on the weekends, and play Bubba's back yard 4th of July BBQ for the seventh year in a row. Its all relative. Everyone is very impressed with the 69 relic, reissued Les paul , 50 year anniversary , in gold sequin with the Slash autograph on the head stock.
I love fender bcse they sell a shirt that say often copied never equal.
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My brother owns a Les Paul as well a Fender Mustang . I own a Stat as well as a Johnson Archtop electric and acoustic guitar. Yeah Gibson used to be really good in the past but now a days their quality has gone down quite a bit from my understanding from what i have read and heard from other people. My brother's one friend owns a chibson and he loves it because of it being a Chinese made Gibson Les Paul. Yeah Gibson did a terrible job defending their IP and it bit them in the courts. If you don't defend your IP you lose it. It is as simple as that. At some point I wouldn't mind getting back to playing the Guitar again. The most expensive Guitar that i have ever played was a Martin Acoustic.
Fender: hey look we have three new Series and an Alternative whacky Universe Series' that's seriously cool and different and worth their Money
Gibson: REMEMBER THE 60S KIDS? BUY OUR GUITAR FOR 3000 BUCKS
Here's the 7th 1959 reissue les paul give us money
@@sixstringtv1 look here's Slashes Signature that's the same but has an ugly Snake on it 8000 pls
heritage doesn't have all the old equipment, the machines used to wind their world famous PAF pickups and Patent number pickups are now owned and used by Seymour Duncan along with all the NOS for those pickups, he literally bought out entire factories and now Seymour has a monopoly. Anyone that wants a PAF style pickup with NOS parts and or wants it wound on the original machine, has no choice but to purchase from Seymour Duncan. Heritage is cool and all but make no mistake, the most authentic new les pauls are the ones with Seth Lover Seymour Duncans, regardless of what name is on the headstock.... but for argument sake no name carries more weight with a les paul than Epiphone for the record.
Gibson and Harley Davidson remind me of each other. The “brand” is better than the actual products. Interesting to see so many want a piece of the “lifestyle”,no matter how over priced it is.
Gibson is the Harley Davidson of guitar brands for sure!
Gibson Guitars: Murphy Lab, Slash out the a$$, Jerry Cantrell and all the other "artist" models and we have a company that has priced their product out of their most important niche, those that can't afford them-let that sink in for a minute! I have watched a Gibson Songwriter go from $1299 Sweetwater price in the mid to late 2000's to $3299 today. I have a First Year Run 2003 Les Paul Supreme and it's current value is $4-5000! I bought a Mint one for $3000. Lucky me! And I own one more, a 2021 Standard 60's which is a great guitar. My other 56 are from manufacturers that equal or exceed Gibson in quality, performance and certainly cost basis! To include Electric and Acoustic models!
I don't buy a name, I buy for my playing style, resale value if I need to unload in the future and usually Mint/Excellent on Reverb, for example and overall quality vs. price. I also buy my vehicles Certified Pre Owned/CPO! Let someone else take the depreciation and walk away with a "like new" guitar no matter who makes it! Being the "first one on the street, Mr. or Mrs. Trendsetter" in the Advertising/Marketing world is each individuals right, but Gibson is way too expensive for what you get. One example and I am done, ESP blows Gibson away in like models and price! For those crying Fender, I have never really liked a Strat but I own a 2005 50th Anniversary and two 2021 Limited Edition OMCE Blue Edge Burst acoustics limited to 50 world wide. Sold by Sam Ash exclusively and we own #33 and #36. Cost $3299. Now, 2 of 50 is an investment and a fun time. But an assembly line of guitars made to look like someone abused it for $3-7000 is absolute insanity!
Hell, I can take any expensive guitar, take it out back and beat the feces out of it, sand down the finish, take a screwdriver to it and the sell it for the above mentioned price! Bottom line, produce a great business model, price you product or service with the aggregate and let the money roll. Don't price your self out of the game from the start! And that started a long time ago for Gibson!
Can you do a documentary about Schecter please 🥺
How could I say no to that face 🥰
I bet you wished he had said no now! Sorry , couldn’t help myself🤘
I never understood the les Paul signature models. It’s like a signature signature guitar 🤷♂️
Alright so I’ll stick to my sg for this. As the les Paul wasn’t as bad just wouldn’t stay in tune and so happened I bought it same year they came up with the robot tuner 💩💩💩but I digress. so a year ago I was gifted a guitar by my father. who keep in mind I’ve seen 4 times in 24 years. Immediately I notice It will not stay in tune. So I tune it. And again… and again…….. and…… again……. Even restring it and tune again…. the neck seemingly has the ability to move at will as I’m certain another fret has died even as it sits in the case. the frets that haven’t died will die out as you bring a bend up to pitch. The bridge pickup sounds like that rubbing noise you get when sliding on carpet stairs while wearing corduroy pants. All while feeling the same static electricity as this thing actually shocked me yesterday. Im going to blame the tuning stability on the fact the tuners look like something Ichabod crane threw together before going on to sleepy hollow. The paint reminds me of old Victorian furniture. I also own a Korean made dean razorback V255 while the fret job is better on the Gibson, what good is when it will not tune and can’t survive slight changes in central heat and air. (the dean hated by all) is a better guitar…. All that being said and even with the would be sentimental value I think of selling this thing everyday. In Conclusion gibson has become good for nothing but punk rock, and not real punk rock just the good Charlotte/ blink 182 variety….
The Ibanez copies didn't have the break angle on their headstocks, so technically speaking they were of a superior build quality to contemporary Gibsons.
Absolutely. The lawsuit Les Pauls are sick
People swear by the guitars that weigh a ton and have sub par tuning stability etc. There are obviously some gems that come out of the Gibson factory but they are few and far between in comparison to other companies. Heck, I could buy myself a top of the line eclipse at 1/3rd the price of a LP standard. It'll definitely be much more consistent in terms of craftsmenship as well. The best Gibson guitar I've played to this day is not even an actual Gibson, it's a Kramer.
Same here, all the Kramers I've played have been fucking incredible. Even the super cheap ones
@@sixstringtv1 Dude I bought a baretta special because it had a vintage trem and I just fell in love with the neck and finish. Super resonant guitar. I've since modded it and it is one of my absolute favourite guitars.
I love Gibson guitars. It's the people behind the company we don't like....suing other Co.'s, piss poor Q.A., and Owners backing these prices.
Have you ever had a Gibson?I got three no neck break....now if you had one and it broke, ok...but just to say stuff because others say is stupid.
BROTHER. I have seen so many of these Gibson videos and this is 100% the first time I've heard about that Appleton guitar... That's crazy. 🤯
Yeah, he claims to have shown them that design years before they "came up with the LP 🤐
I've hated Gibson for while; my first "nice" guitar was a Gibson Les Paul that I saved up for by mowing lawns in my neighborhood for a year and a half in early high school. It gave me endless problems in terms of things falling apart due to poor build quality, but the vast majority of my issues with the guitar stemmed from the input jack, which I eventually just gave up on and replaced with a better one. Kind of ridiculous considering how much I paid for the thing. Nowadays my main guitar is a Kiesel CS3 (their version of a Les Paul) that was custom built for me exactly how I wanted it, the build quality blows Gibson out of the water, and it cost me half of what the average Gibson Les Paul costs. I don't understand why anyone would by Gibson anymore.
I think it's worth noting that as I'm typing this comment, I am currently looking at the crack that has been slowly developing on the back of the aforementioned Gibson Les Paul, patiently waiting for the guitar to decapitate itself
Let me know when the headstock breaks off. Only a matter of time.
Did the Gibson eat itself yet?
Has anyone mentioned the actual "why" regarding Gibson Les Pauls losing their heads? It's not because they're not scarfed and glued. It's because of that 17 degree headstock angle and the lack of a volute. It makes for a very high stress transition. PRS solved the problem with a 10 degree headstock angle but DID NOT scarf and glue the headstock, nor do most electric manufacturers. That same 17 degree angle also lends itself to the tuning instability and the more shallow angle is the fix. You'd be doing yourself a favor to do a bit more research and bring all of the information to the table when you dump on a brand like this. If your reasoning lacks factual information, instead of sounding authoritative it comes across as simply snarky and doesn't get taken as seriously.
Heritage was threatened with legal action because they use Gibson's history in the building they manufacture in as a selling point, although having literally no connection to Gibson any longer. They are owned by a Singaporean billionaire's kid and fired all the remaining Gibson luthiers and have since replaced all the original Gibson machinery with new CNC processes.
I have a Burny Lawsuit LP and it absolutely would mop the floor with any new Gibson off the rack.
Facts!
Not a custom shop one...maybe a usa model..
Gibson would be best off just countering with three basic measures.
1. Make their iconic guitars for a much lower rate than what they are doing now with better quality control even if they have to move production out of the US. How long did it take them to make suitable 1959 LP Standards? Way too long, this has been an ongoing issue since the release of the Beano album. What should have been the largest gift horse of all time they responded to by making heavy and bad guitars that had nothing to do with the 59 LP’s.
2. The legal issues which I feel a lot of people have covered. There’s no reason to sue Heritage and other boutique builders when they should be trying to bust Chibson fakes instead. I don’t mind the obvious protection of intellectual property but a lot of Gibson’s cases are specious to say the least.
3. Marketing to younger players that can build the future for them. Metallica and Megadeth ain’t it.
Sad that the new management is not dealing with the core issues left in place by the old management.
I could go on a very massive rant about how much I hate my Gibson sg. And the bad experience I had when I bought a les Paul
Go right ahead
The flying V is a 1950s design
Dude……. You are on point. No bullshit….. just a very honest view of a dinosaur company that’s dead….. but doesn’t know it is…. So essentially a Zombie Dinosaur.
That'd make a cool shirt design but they'd sue me for using their logo
@@sixstringtv1 you could do Zombie Dinosaur in Gibson font. LOL!!!
Gibson should bandsaw the Slash guitar into thousands of pieces and mail everyone their shares.
Yes.