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“Pure sex appeal” is the only way to describe how anyone should feel about kings row. ESPECIALLY rein mains. The shatter psychological warfare between two reins is some of the best overwatch ever, rein is just a game of mental chess with the enemy rein
S should just be named kings row
That is an absolutely evil profile picture, I applaud it
Honestly if Winton or Rein is playable on the map, it’s fun. The most fun tanks to both fight and play as
Ehh, in higher ranks winston becomes near unpunishable unless his teammates make a big mistake, and rein Lucio starts to feel a bit CBT-ish if they know what they're doing -- rein, Doom, Ball and sig are the most pertinent in making a map feel well balanced in my opinion
@@FederalTaxEvader for the sake of scale, where does “higher ranks” begin
Masters. For some people high diamond. Just refers to when ppl regularly run a team composition.
@@cbaileychamp ah, down in low plat tank land people just blame you for everything. Does that stop up there long enough for actual strategy to occur?
@@uvealpear7749 literally nobody strategizes in ranked (unless you're playing with friends)
The most amount of strategy you'll see is a soldier telling a support to pocket him
Kings row, you know its the best map when you can play any hero you want and perform
it's a stupid good widow map tho
@@its_lucky252not really she's only good on points 1 and 3
@@its_lucky252 yeah but widow doesn't feel unfair on it. It's not like circuit royale where you have litterally no choice but to walk into widow, on everything but maybe third you can easily avoid her most of the time and on third she's normally pretty divable, and she can't really help contest at the very end so she falls off.
i dont know why they feel the need on every payload map to make the 2nd point an outrageous high ground widow sightline hell, so many of the payload maps would be improved a lot if they didnt do this 2nd point thing every time
you've truly become the voice for all high elo players frustrated with what is happening to their favorite game😭 s tier tier list but i had a guilty pleasure for anubis 2nd defense, i loved doing some weirdo shit on the pillars😂 keep up the content its great
I could see a couple of maps being slightly shifted around but for the most part I'm pretty happy with where I got everything.
Yeah I mained ball so that’s easily one of my favorites.
DORADO HATERS RISE UP
First point is decent…ya just gotta full hold ‘em and then you don’t have to see how garbage the rest of the map is
Idk what it is but I have like an 100% winrate on that map
Like idk how but its my best map.
@@Donlerbruh first point is the worst one imo
underrated map. though i hate first highground in solo queue
As a winston player i love it.
Lijiang Tower its a solid S, only map where the widow or hitscan bs cheese dosen't work
Pharas so good on it
Doom is insanely good on that map.
crazzy i realized that i didnt play ow now for half of a year and yes im misssing it but when i start it now im sure i dont have a good time im only missing the good old ow1 time
Was thinking about how pretty much all OW2 maps suck and was gonna say the OW1 team was better, but then I remembered Paris exists.
Kings row is a perfect map because basically anything can be played whilst being effective. Also idk wtf people are on about flank routes and high ground like did a youtuber say that or something? Every significant area has a flank route, and whilst the highground isnt extremely high, thats a good thing. It makes it so that poke isnt the most and only played strategy so the other actual fun strategies can be played.
I'd say colosseum is F tier. It's so fucking bad it's an insult to junkertown to put it in the same tier. I hate every single aspect of colosseum. Middle point is atrocious. The bend near spawn is beyond stupid and annoying. I just hate it with all my soul. Probably the worst map in the game along with paraiso.
And on a good side. Rialto is S tier, I've been feeling it ever since I first played it. It allows you to do anything you want, there are flanks everywhere. Balanced highgrounds. Really appreciate that you put it in S tier.
yoooooo dady greed posted again. anyway, was waiting for this for a while
Best description of Circuit Royal I've ever heard.
Shambali is essentially Circuit royale for the first 2 points with the problems fixed. Remove the mega room on first and the stairs up the right on second on shambali, and you have Circuit Royale.
Genuinely I think circuit could be so much better if they added a room linking where the cart goes through on first to the middle height area on second. That way on first you'd be able to get behind the enemy, and on second you would be able to take a slightly longer route and pop out in the middle of 2nd point instead of walking beneath the widow and giant sigma shield on highground.
Also I love flashpoint, survasa is an S for me and junkertown a B, it might be because I'm a doom main but the maps are just so much fun, reward mobility a lot, and feel really dynamic and exciting. You can run a rein brawl with lucio, you can run a dive, only thing that isn't great is a sigma comp, even though some of the points would be good for him he just takes too long to get there.
I think they brought back 2cp in arcade mode. Would be nice if it was in the main rotation. Maps are content.
@@Sizzylthere are multiple videos stating why 2cp was removed it was ultimately a stall fest that felt horrible for both the attacker and defenders.
Like ur vids and wish u the best of luck in TH-cam career 😎
Before i say anything
S tier maps:Hanamura,illos, Gibraltar
Everything else fights it out in a to d tier with the last tier being "Commiting a crime against blizzard" tier
Naaaaah Bro put illos In c i would disagree tbh
Kings row easily the best map in the game
@@MK-mm7ui Lijjiang and illios are better imo, koth is by far the best mode, and both have fun boops
Comp needs map pools again, too many garbage maps that heavily favor degen playstyles.
It's crazy how the top 10 maps are from OW1 and Shambali from OW2 barely makes the cut at 11th in B tier. OW2 maps leave a lot to be desired. I think Colosseo should be in F tier cuz of the bridge robot stall strats and cuz Push is boring.
Maybe timestamps in the future? Lolz would have for a scatterbrain like me. Dorado isn't a favorite for you? Interesting. I guess it's points seem kinda headbanging based on videos I have seen
Wohoo it's another Greed video
Yeah, this is a pretty fair list seems to me. I loved Hanamura and Anubis personally though. I won’t argue about their competitive balance, you’re probably right. But as someone who just plays casual uncompetitive Plat tier OW all the time I loved playin those maps.
Hanamura, Anubis, and King’s Row just lit of my day when they’d come round. Other 2 CP maps were straight F tier though for sure. Paris I don’t know a single person that likes it and prerework lunar colony was also really broadly hated.
I think an old school 2CP rotation should always be in Arcade like No Limits is now that they’ve removed them from the core game.
There’s an issue arising with widow, either make maps suit her kit or make her kit overturned otherwise Ashe is just more preferably overall as she’s just more consistent then widow on most maps
Whenever I load into rialto, I am almost always optimistic about the game and actually look forward to playing it, feels similar to when OW2 first released and how excited I was to get back into it, Rialto is just fun af man
other maps i think are just fun that i never hate to see: lijang, illios if im on tank, junkertown (im a widow player but i like this map on the other two roles too), oasis is generally a good time, kings row is obviously fun, i love first point widow duels and all the different angles available
the worst maps imo: junk city is just dog, its so awkward to play, suravasa is miles better but not by much being the same mode, and last and most certainly least, N U M B A N I, is the only map that makes me wanna unironically alt-f4 every single time, no matter the role or the character i just hate playing this damn map, actually delete numbani, its not even just that it plays so poorly, its so bland in terms of looks, like big silver building, thats it, i wanna die of boredom on it
All the 2cp maps are beautiful aren't they. Is volkskaya or how you spell it even in ow2?
It's in OW2 but it isn't in any of the map rotations since 2cp isn't a playable gamemode in MM anymore
They’re beautiful but if you hate flashpoint then 2cp is dog shit tier it’s always a stall fest and can end in a draw after 20 minutes wasting everyone’s time
I personally rank how good they are to play on and their design for example hanamura had an SS + tier design but it was stuck on a trash game mode, eichenwalde is S tier pn both design and gameplay imo same with nepal ( although sym ruins it ) and kings row
I understood your reasoning until you put Dorado in A tier... how do you put it so far above Circuit Royale when that's essentially just a Dorado re-skin? Think about it, first point Circuit Royale is trying to get through a poke-heavy lane, first point Dorado is trying to get through a poke-heavy lowground disadvantage. Second point Circuit Royale is walking past an enemy highground hoping to not get picked off, but at least there are two semi-viable flank routes, second point Dorado is the same but with even worse flank routes because they take a billion years to get to. Third point for both maps is trying to push the cart through a more confined space where enemies will once again have not only highground advantage but spawn advantage as well.
Because the high grounds are easily contestable, easily accessed, and the rotations are fast while offering plenty of cover, unlike on circuit where it is essentially just walking into poke all game
2cp can work in overwatch 2. But the problem with the 2cp maps was that they them too basic like how most ended with enclosed room and the maps were too small. We can now see that they can make bigger maps. If they do bring 2cp make it so that there is more room for movment and more room for team work on both sides. But when they make 2 cp maps the map creators relied too much on chocks, they need to lower that.
I'd be interested to see them bring back 2cp but just add 3 more points and call it flashpoint. Imagine opening up the city in Hanamura or Anubis.
@@lukasg4807 they should just make it control points rather than 2cp
My map ratings are 90% based on wallclimb working or not working how I want most of the time (genji otp). I think Suravasa is a fucking terrible map but just the fact that I've genuinely not had anything bullshit happen with climb instantly shoots it up to A tier. Almost every wall is flat, the places you climb up to have sharp edges, there isn't many places where something small sticking out of the wall stops your climb. There isn't annoying shit that steals your climb on the floor next to walls. There isn't rounded walls that are way too precise and will drop you if you turn a few degrees. There isn't weird things that look climbable but just don't work. The map is asscheeks but it's genuinely one of the most polished and well made in terms of wallclimb not being miserable to use, having that much control of my movement is insane, you can just use any wall without fear and it will work.
What do you not like about it? I love it
@@lukasg4807 awkward rotations, rng in the order that points are unlocked, confusing routing, map geometry often makes no sense outside of gameplay reasons. The maps don't look like places that would actually exist, a lot of rooms and props serve no other purpose than gameplay, flashpoint maps are the only ones that do this. The maps are really confusing to play, me and most of my friends genuinely have no idea where we are going most of the time, just following the objective marker and hoping for the best. Flashpoint also requires a lot more coordination, which is fine, but can be annoying since the matchmaking is iffy at best, sometimes you get a teammate that doesn't belong in the game and does incomprehensibly stupid things. Happens on every map but amplified on flashpoint. A lot of the points also feel artificially enclosed, almost all of them are in some massive room with lots of small entrances, which just feels weird
@@neonoir__ the map really doesn't seem that confusing to me. Only thing was at first I got confused by the attacker spawn room because I didn't know what it was so when I went in it seemed pointless. I also hate how it spawns you so far back you have to walk 20 meteres out of spawn
Realism wise it doesn't seem much weirder to me than the giant pit to hell on the one point of nepal. Also we've kind of abandoned any sort of grounding in the lore with push maps where we run a robot through a weird street for no reason.
I think a lot of what you're saying would probably apply to any new map, and it's anplified by the size of the new maps. In a few months when everyone knows them well I doubt the cordination will be as big of a deal.
I actually like esperance by far best push map and like b tier maybe high c
whenever i see esperanza i think "well it's the least shit push map, could be worse". You can have fun on it and I think the design itself is solid, just push is a shit mode and the map looks very generic
I like ow1 maps lol for some reason. I think temple of Anubis looks cool as much as 2cp is head banging. Hanamura is beautiful and being a stupid person I think I like 2cp lolz.
Is the hand doing better
Yes it's basically fully healed now
36:36 the worst map in the game by a landslide I’d rather play any 2cp map than that trash pile all Of its high ground ugh
Well, everyone's got their own opinions, and to be sure not all of mine hold up logically next to each other either, but you've gotta admit it's kinda funny, isn't it? Like you go on about how bad Circuit and Havana are for their sightlines, but Rialto is S-tier? You complain about the high ground in other maps, but Dorado gets a pass for some reason even though every single point has high ground that non-mobile heroes have to take a Disney World-ass queue around the map to contest (And let's not even talk about how a lot of points in Dorado are direclty comparable to points on Paraiso!)
Anyway, I'll put my whole ass out there instead of just complaining and say that Midtown is an S-tier map. Multiple ways to come at every point, with "main" lanes that have pretty good sightlines for long-range but never feel too oppressive due to other options. Like just on Point A, you can choose to go straight down the main underpass (which already offers a few branching paths to even get to it). You can snake through the train above, or even take the alleys/buildings below in a sort of opposite S-shape pattern. Point B high-ground is valuable, but accessible from multiple angles and there are bits of high ground the attackers can reach to contest it even without getting on it directly. Plus a large bit of the map takes place directly under the high ground, so much like Gibraltr, it forces the defenders to rotate off before too long. Finally, point C is the most straightforward "big ole open sightlines" segment of the map, but it crucially mostly lacks the sort of high-ground perches that snipers would love (past a few towards the start, which transition from useful defender locations to useful attacker spots, once the payload is pushed forward enough), leaving snipers powerful, but vulnerable to having the gap closed, too.
You're comparing apples to oranges. Dorado and Rialto don't even come remotely close to circuit in terms of problematic design. All the highroads on this maps are easily accessible, barring some very tiny exceptions like Dorado first. None of those maps have genuinely problematic design when it comes to pathing or rotations, unlike circuit which is borderline unplayable in high elo due to the lack of angles, cover, or differing lanes other than the default one. There is reason players like Samito Alt-f4 the map instantly when they see it. The maps are nothing alike, just because they have strong high ground doesn't mean they play remotely like circuit.
You comment like you've never played on any of the maps before.
I Disagree with alot of your "doomer" takes but i cant lie its nice to watch you back into overwatch and making vids on it wether i think your wrong or not the community needs people as passionate as you
kings row= best map
Dorado a? I want what you are smoking
AMFAXQ adiseagle as jq high plat, best match ngl
Arctic plays well its just boring to look at
lowkey if it was some city scape map with minor layout changes it could be an S tier map. I think it looking boring is a big reason people subconsiously don't like it
man im so bad at this game
I like most of push maps
Based as always
disagree with kings row for me its D garbage map especially first point/choke
Kings row is not S. There are very little flanks and high ground, it essentially comes down to who plays brawl better which is boring
I have played as and against many poke comps and dive comps on the map when playing the game competitively for a team. People just don't do that because brawl is the most fun and it's really effective
You can easily do poke comps on the map with the highground given, and ball comp can be played effectively up until maybe like 3rd point
i have to disagree on busan downtown, as an absolute widowmaker hater i think you can mostly play around the enemy widow on the highground well enough and there are many options to play the game without peaking the "widow-highground" i would even say that the map with the drum is worse to play against widowmaker
also sym is not that bad on sniper heavy maps cause it is one of the few dps that allows you to somewhat flank on a map without flank routes since you can cross sightlines without getting shot at
(meta1 made a video on that)
i think havanna is not that bad and definitely better than circuit and its only the third point that is unplayable but that point is so bad that it alone makes the map f-tier
i also have to disagree on kingsrow, first point is really good, second point is "playable" but third point almost rivals havanna as soon as a widowmaker stands on the second highground
also have to somewhat disagree on your "rein-take" and you liking dorado and gibraltar kinda shows why, its more like if either rein or monkey is good on the map, the map is probably good
if sigma is good on the map, the map is garbage, even thou sigma is likely the most well balanced tank there is but he also thrives in those spammy playstiles...
now that i think about it, its more a combination of sigma, zen, widowmaker that ruin the maps (except shambali)
second point rialto is kinda aids against double pocketed hitscan... and one of the few points where you cant really play around it, its about 30m without any natural cover and widowmaker is a bit too good on this map for my liking
completely agree on your take on shambali
bad list buddy
Found the widow player
I like Flashpoint. Most opinions an L
SR diff
@Greed- different strokes for different folks but idk what Sr has to do with enjoyment of a map and gamemode
@patricklodge1576 trust me you're better off not knowing why😂
@@patricklodge1576they play different on different skill levels
@@MK-mm7ui How does that affect flashpoint? I've not heard many complaints about it, it's way better than push
Kings row is just as bad as circuit royal imo it's just a straight line
WHAT. How? Its characterized by its twists and turns. Its a perfect example of a good map. Everyone loves that map. Ur in the minority my guy
@@cbaileychamp I am fully aware Im the minority but I disagree with the twist and turns part the flank routes in the map result in death to anyone who isn't Sombra the high ground isn't even that high and first point is the only point with ZERO flank routes, so like I said it's a straight line
@@wendeez2845"the high ground isn't that high", yea so the lamest comps can't just sit on high ground all day and it isn't just meta. You can do poke on highground, but its not meta, which is what makes it great because you have multiple options. On circuit royal you either play poke or you suffer.
"First point has no flank routes"
Go through the building on the right on attack and jump out the hole to rotate to the flanking highground. There you can either A drop to the lower ground or b if you have a mobility character you can jump across to get to the high ground behind the enemy. Even if this was true how does that justify the map being as unfun as circuit?