Virtual Le Mans 2023 was far from optimal! From my perspective as a driver the issues has not only ruined the race but the whole experience and spectacle. This is unacceptable also because teams have paid money to drive and drivers have put in thousands of hours to win this race. If they don't do something about this I am certain I will not be participating again. With that said I want to thank the team for the hard work they put in and you guys for supporting and following the race! Thanks for your support🙏
Markus you`re absolutely right about saying "FIA, WEC really need to reconsider what platform they should the event" as the Virtual Le Mans series is great but if people keep complaining about disconnections happening within the game then they need to think "This has gone far enough with the issues we need to start changing some things" plus it was great to see you join our team for the event thank you so much👊
To be clear it's actually the SRO that determines the comercial rights deals for WEC, just like how the FOM owns and licenses F1 not the FIA. The FIA writes the rules and governs the championship, the SRO deals with the comercial side of things
As much as I'd love for this to be back on iracing, I just want a competent product to enjoy. There's no excuse to have the issues they have in 2023. Cyber security is a crucial part of any of these endeavors and so is just having a stable product. The part that WEC and Indycar particularly miss is that this is a crucial part of their fanbase and something that leads to you directly being able to measure yourself against the best in the world. It's like having the PGA tour play your local golf course. You can see exactly how much better the pros are and enjoy the sport even more. It's all such a waste and sets this hobby back because of it.
@@soholmgaming I honestly do wonder if this is related to Rfactor itself because i tend to watch races and see other competitions running 8 hour races without issues. In this case a German competition, 8 hours of Spa. The problems which occured and especially those data leaks are rediculous, also if i might add this, the commentators arguing about biscuits and cake while the race is underway....
That situation where devices suddenly stop responding in rF2 is one of the many reasons I gave up with it. rF2 may have some decent physics but the rest of it is an utter shitshow.
I saw someone on a forum somewhere else sum it up perfectly (also after people were critical on Max for calling this out). This is NOT like having an engine faillure in real life, or having a 'sensor failure' or something of that nature. This would be like FIA//FOM not having the power grid ready for a night race in Singapore and all lights turning off. THAT is compareable.
I just want the Le Mans 24 back with the race fans. We are comparing this Motorsports Games series for "elites" only with what we used to have in iRacing - something that thousands upon thousands could enjoy. Worth noting that with regards to "leaked" information the server IP was always publicly available in the Steam client.
I've been following Motorsport Games, owners of rfactor 2, and the company is a complete cluster now. They are losing developer team members like crazy right now. New projects have single digit numbers on the game development. It's not a good place to work at all. They board of directors quit recently. Total disarray, with no man power what so ever now.
Hello Markus, Thank you for giving your insight view and feelings on how you experienced this event. After the second red flag I stopped watching the official stream. I’m a big Motorsport fan and besides watching real live events , love to watch sim racing on TH-cam and Twitch. Also doing some sim racing myself, when I’m in my rig I feel like a real race driver and living my childhood dream of being a race driver like Lauda, Hunt, Senna, Prost and all other racing legends. Do I agree on Max his statement, yes! What is my opinion on what Romain said, there is something to say about his point of view. We all know that sometimes a real Le Mans car break’s down by a mail function sensor that cost €5,- and cost them a race finish or even worse the victory. So a disconnect or a mail function on your own gear is a part of endurance sim racing. But I think we can all agree that this time it wasn’t a simple disconnect, the server wasn’t stable and not safe enough for such a event. Maybe the most frustrating thing was that the organization and racing platform weren’t admitting they screwed up big time. Kind regards.
Hey mate thanks for the support🙏 I agree, the fact that they didn’t admit that the problem was on their side is completely wrong. This is also what hinders improvement and sets the whole series back
@@VishnuRajam4x4 , I know. He is there advisor. It’s more that we must accept in sim racing a disconnect can be seen as a part of this kind of racing. The amount of disconnects and unstable servers was the main reason we are still talking about it. As a example if 160 drivers take part in a endurance race, I think 8 disconnect is excepted. That’s just 5% off the field.
I still would like to participate in this series, though I'm not a good racer haha, either way it really is egregious corporate greed! I personally don't think rF2 is going anywhere, because there's deep pockets, and the FIA loves money more than human lives, let alone an online event :/
Motorsport games and RFactor are a joke look at the last NASCAR game a disaster good luck on the Indy Car game ain’t getting my hopes on that 😂 It’s a shame
Are you guys going to make a video comparing this to how well the Daytona 24 went on iracing? Where thousands of drivers got together raced without trouble.
You are absolutely right here, and thank you for standing up to this. We as a community wanted to show that this is the best race of the year with the best teams and drivers fully prepared to invest time and money to make it a race and show that 24H Le Mans deserves. Unfortunately it was a disaster.....again. You said it best: this was the anus of simracing!
Yeah I think it's important to get it out there as people who dont always watch sim racing will think this race is the best of the best. Anyways, thanks for the support I appreciate it🙏
Tbh when rFactor works it feels great. And since MSG is holding the rights I don't see it switching to iRacing. I just hope this massive shitstorm makes MSG fix their game...
@Johan Hesselholt I agree, when it works it feels really good, but with MSG under a lot of shit surely FIA WEC can pull the license if it’s damaging their image? Just speculation and a hope
How anyone thought rFactor2's cronky old engine could make it through 24hrs without issues is beyond me. I personally find the ddos attack claims rather convenient seeing as they seemed to coincide with in-game rain coming into effect.
About the Dc's it's all a shame, about the driving wheel, man you don't you said the team prepared a lot? seems like this guy doesn't know how to setup it right, it's not the game's fault
@@soholmgaming Nah, RF2 have compatibility issues, i've had it already pedals not working when everything is fine on the wheel, and then sudenly the game lost all the mapping and had to do it again... I guess is just sad it happens =/ the game is dead tho. It appears once in a year and MUST use their rain features since is the only thing in the game that difers from the other one around
I'm hoping they punish whoever leake the paswords, I forgot what vid, but I've seen it in other vi comments some streamers didn't blur out the passwords or server info. That's like getting keys to track gates IRL, hoping they change up how they do things. But how can you check every stream to ensure nobody is leaking info they, really, shouldn't be. On the other hand, if the server didn't crash when someone joined as a spectator, then RC should ideally be able to boot that unauthorize person and change up the passwords on the fly, I don't know if the server side allows that, but it seems to me evry year they get server issues. I dunno what the solution is, either, require an verify streamers aren't leaking info? Fine the people who were? Blacklist them from events on security grounds? I unno
I also saw somewhere that the sessions IP was listen for everyone to see on the rFactor server list which certainly doesn’t help. If you look at other sims they can typically handle a decent about of spectators or even many spectators without crashing. Thanks for the support🙏
@@soholmgaming Wow. Did not know the IP was publically listed, that's honestly mind blowing, combine that with the apparent password leaking an it's basically an open door. Worst case scenario, someone like 4Chan gets a hold of it and holds the server hostage, ort a hacking group is paid to do the same (think 2011 PSN hack but or VLM type situation)no
Wut? Sim racing is not the only e-sports. There are a number of esports now that have been going on for decades, worldwide, with hundreds of thousands of dollars of prize money at stake. Some esports gamers even earned more than Olympic athletes of some countries, and have had longer careers. E-sports doesn't have to try hard to be taken seriously, they already have a solid fanbase for decades. They have no need to pander to haters.
Everybody commenting to ditch RF2... How on earth do you think this improves it for the casual SIM racer that most of you are. The simulators need our support. Somehow the big brands and organisations can spend millions on productions like this, ask a lot of license money and meanwhile our platforms have trouble to survive.. Get your head out of your .....
@@harald2101 well binding your controls doesn't have anything to do with servers. And reconnecting would've made so he can rebind his controls and still drive without getting DSQ.
@@soholmgaming Well its hard to say without looking at some footage. He might have not saved his controls earlier, reset his controls on accident, or well his Wheel disconnected. Although rF2 has a couple of issues, controls is none of those. Just wanted to give a tip on what he can do the next race (if you will still do it)
Because nothing ever goes wrong in the real world that would keep a driver from finishing the race, so expectations of a flawless online experience is completely justified.
I can see your point but it’s not the same. As an example iRacing doesn’t have server issues in the same way. The only thing there was with Daytona a couple of years ago but that was 5000+ people and hasn’t happened since. Thanks for watching
For a real-world comparison, this is more like when F1 came to Spa in 1985, to find that the fresh pavement started breaking up as soon as the cars took to the track, forcing cancellation of the race. The problems in the Virtual Le Mans 24H had nothing to do with the competitors, it was all on the organisers.
Virtual Le Mans 2023 was far from optimal! From my perspective as a driver the issues has not only ruined the race but the whole experience and spectacle. This is unacceptable also because teams have paid money to drive and drivers have put in thousands of hours to win this race. If they don't do something about this I am certain I will not be participating again.
With that said I want to thank the team for the hard work they put in and you guys for supporting and following the race!
Thanks for your support🙏
Markus you`re absolutely right about saying "FIA, WEC really need to reconsider what platform they should the event" as the Virtual Le Mans series is great but if people keep complaining about disconnections happening within the game then they need to think "This has gone far enough with the issues we need to start changing some things" plus it was great to see you join our team for the event thank you so much👊
Agree, thanks for the support🙏
To be clear it's actually the SRO that determines the comercial rights deals for WEC, just like how the FOM owns and licenses F1 not the FIA. The FIA writes the rules and governs the championship, the SRO deals with the comercial side of things
@@danieljay8009 Wrong. Not SRO but ACO. SRO owns rights to some GT Racing series. ACO has commercial rights in this case of WEC and Le Mans.
@@Feanor0404 ah my bad getting my wec and acc mixed up
As much as I'd love for this to be back on iracing, I just want a competent product to enjoy. There's no excuse to have the issues they have in 2023. Cyber security is a crucial part of any of these endeavors and so is just having a stable product. The part that WEC and Indycar particularly miss is that this is a crucial part of their fanbase and something that leads to you directly being able to measure yourself against the best in the world. It's like having the PGA tour play your local golf course. You can see exactly how much better the pros are and enjoy the sport even more. It's all such a waste and sets this hobby back because of it.
All I know is if I'd paid £2,000 to enter, I'd be pissed off
If the FIA and ACO are serious in trying to promote sim racing as a real sport, Motorsport Games has to go. It's as simple as that.
money talks tho
Agree, either that or they really have to do drastic changes to rFactor 2. Thanks for the support🙏
@@soholmgaming Just need to move it to iRacing tbh. It's not perfect but it at least works. There's a reason so many pros play it in their free time
@@soholmgaming I honestly do wonder if this is related to Rfactor itself because i tend to watch races and see other competitions running 8 hour races without issues.
In this case a German competition, 8 hours of Spa.
The problems which occured and especially those data leaks are rediculous, also if i might add this, the commentators arguing about biscuits and cake while the race is underway....
money dont talk if you dont buy thier games.
That situation where devices suddenly stop responding in rF2 is one of the many reasons I gave up with it. rF2 may have some decent physics but the rest of it is an utter shitshow.
An 11 year old game - and I still have "Reset FFB" mapped to my steering wheel...
I saw someone on a forum somewhere else sum it up perfectly (also after people were critical on Max for calling this out).
This is NOT like having an engine faillure in real life, or having a 'sensor failure' or something of that nature. This would be like FIA//FOM not having the power grid ready for a night race in Singapore and all lights turning off. THAT is compareable.
Yes exactly mate, and it’s not even close to the same thing. Thanks for the support🙏
I just want the Le Mans 24 back with the race fans. We are comparing this Motorsports Games series for "elites" only with what we used to have in iRacing - something that thousands upon thousands could enjoy.
Worth noting that with regards to "leaked" information the server IP was always publicly available in the Steam client.
Good thing you had the chance to put that wet practice to good use
😂
Finally someone who isn’t just copy pasting the points Verstappen made
should be on iRacing.
You had me at "the anus of sim racing". Subbed :)
Thanks mate😂
I've been following Motorsport Games, owners of rfactor 2, and the company is a complete cluster now. They are losing developer team members like crazy right now. New projects have single digit numbers on the game development. It's not a good place to work at all. They board of directors quit recently. Total disarray, with no man power what so ever now.
Hello Markus,
Thank you for giving your insight view and feelings on how you experienced this event.
After the second red flag I stopped watching the official stream.
I’m a big Motorsport fan and besides watching real live events , love to watch sim racing on TH-cam and Twitch.
Also doing some sim racing myself, when I’m in my rig I feel like a real race driver and living my childhood dream of being a race driver like Lauda, Hunt, Senna, Prost and all other racing legends.
Do I agree on Max his statement, yes!
What is my opinion on what Romain said, there is something to say about his point of view. We all know that sometimes a real Le Mans car break’s down by a mail function sensor that cost €5,- and cost them a race finish or even worse the victory.
So a disconnect or a mail function on your own gear is a part of endurance sim racing.
But I think we can all agree that this time it wasn’t a simple disconnect, the server wasn’t stable and not safe enough for such a event.
Maybe the most frustrating thing was that the organization and racing platform weren’t admitting they screwed up big time.
Kind regards.
Hey mate thanks for the support🙏 I agree, the fact that they didn’t admit that the problem was on their side is completely wrong. This is also what hinders improvement and sets the whole series back
Grosjean is working for Motorsport games so of course he would say that
@@VishnuRajam4x4 , I know. He is there advisor. It’s more that we must accept in sim racing a disconnect can be seen as a part of this kind of racing. The amount of disconnects and unstable servers was the main reason we are still talking about it.
As a example if 160 drivers take part in a endurance race, I think 8 disconnect is excepted. That’s just 5% off the field.
@@ChrisVmovie it costs around $2000 to race at this event, and this is what the gamers get.
I still would like to participate in this series, though I'm not a good racer haha, either way it really is egregious corporate greed!
I personally don't think rF2 is going anywhere, because there's deep pockets, and the FIA loves money more than human lives, let alone an online event :/
Motorsport games and RFactor are a joke look at the last NASCAR game a disaster good luck on the Indy Car game ain’t getting my hopes on that 😂 It’s a shame
It’s extremely annoying that’s for sure, thanks for watching🙏
May I ask how to register for this race?
Yes of course you may ask!☺️ However I can’t give you an answer as I was pulled in my a team
Love this... (07:08) haha Awesome commentating your race aswell, even though you guys had extremely bad "luck".
It is what it is isn’t it. Thanks for the support mate, appreciate it a lot🙏
We'll see how the Daytone 24 go on iracing this weekend
I bet they didn't leak anything. I would bet that the server just wasn't up to Snuff.
Thanks for the content. Sorry that happened to you. Subbed.
Thanks mate, appreciate it🙏
Are you guys going to make a video comparing this to how well the Daytona 24 went on iracing? Where thousands of drivers got together raced without trouble.
Yeah I might, if I do I want to cover some of the things that people are getting mad at, and give a further insight into it… thanks for watching🙏
You are absolutely right here, and thank you for standing up to this. We as a community wanted to show that this is the best race of the year with the best teams and drivers fully prepared to invest time and money to make it a race and show that 24H Le Mans deserves. Unfortunately it was a disaster.....again. You said it best: this was the anus of simracing!
Yeah I think it's important to get it out there as people who dont always watch sim racing will think this race is the best of the best. Anyways, thanks for the support I appreciate it🙏
Very unacceptable. Hope it will switch to iRacing again
Yes I hope so too, should be without server issues whatsoever. Thanks for the support🙏
While MSG hold the rights to the Le Mans 24H that won't happen sadly.
Tbh when rFactor works it feels great. And since MSG is holding the rights I don't see it switching to iRacing. I just hope this massive shitstorm makes MSG fix their game...
@Johan Hesselholt I agree, when it works it feels really good, but with MSG under a lot of shit surely FIA WEC can pull the license if it’s damaging their image? Just speculation and a hope
@@soholmgaming I think MSG has the license for the next two years so I don’t think WEC can pull their license in the middle of the contract
It's such a shame there were so many problems
Nice a new TH-cam channel discovery the algorithm is actually working? Another to watch after Jimmy Broadbent
Haha thanks for the support🙏
Honestly, the GTP mod the nr2003 seemed to be more stable than this thing.
sad day for sim racing as a whole
Indeed, thanks for watching😁
A great insight into it, that's terrible
Thx Kai🙌
Such a shame because the driving experience in rf2 is still by far the best. It’s just not ready for modern esports.
"The anus of simracing." LOOOOOL
$200,000 in entry fees ,right?
Not exactly sure but quite a lot that’s for sure😂
How anyone thought rFactor2's cronky old engine could make it through 24hrs without issues is beyond me.
I personally find the ddos attack claims rather convenient seeing as they seemed to coincide with in-game rain coming into effect.
great seeing them fall honestly
Verstappen throwing his dummy, never.
At least on iracing the sim racing community can also enjoy doing a lemans24
Yeah also thought about that, making it exclusive like this kinda takes Le Mans away from the community. Thanks for the support🙌
Awesome video
Thanks mate, appreciate the support🙏
It seems like they will be paying for people to join and play
About the Dc's it's all a shame, about the driving wheel, man you don't you said the team prepared a lot? seems like this guy doesn't know how to setup it right, it's not the game's fault
I guess so, seems strange to me tho that his buttons is working fine and stuff but he is just stuck in his grid position?
@@soholmgaming Nah, RF2 have compatibility issues, i've had it already pedals not working when everything is fine on the wheel, and then sudenly the game lost all the mapping and had to do it again... I guess is just sad it happens =/ the game is dead tho. It appears once in a year and MUST use their rain features since is the only thing in the game that difers from the other one around
Alright thanks👍 another issue with this lovely game😂
I'm hoping they punish whoever leake the paswords, I forgot what vid, but I've seen it in other vi comments some streamers didn't blur out the passwords or server info. That's like getting keys to track gates IRL, hoping they change up how they do things. But how can you check every stream to ensure nobody is leaking info they, really, shouldn't be. On the other hand, if the server didn't crash when someone joined as a spectator, then RC should ideally be able to boot that unauthorize person and change up the passwords on the fly, I don't know if the server side allows that, but it seems to me evry year they get server issues.
I dunno what the solution is, either, require an verify streamers aren't leaking info? Fine the people who were? Blacklist them from events on security grounds? I unno
I also saw somewhere that the sessions IP was listen for everyone to see on the rFactor server list which certainly doesn’t help. If you look at other sims they can typically handle a decent about of spectators or even many spectators without crashing. Thanks for the support🙏
@@soholmgaming Wow. Did not know the IP was publically listed, that's honestly mind blowing, combine that with the apparent password leaking an it's basically an open door.
Worst case scenario, someone like 4Chan gets a hold of it and holds the server hostage, ort a hacking group is paid to do the same (think 2011 PSN hack but or VLM type situation)no
Don't want to point fingers but I think it was Jimmy Broadbent that leaked the teamspeak details
@@747RacingTeam It was that idiot!
The issue is there shouldn't even BE any passwords to leak. Server level usernames and passwords? Come on. Is it 1997?
Because people have reason and that say in chat stream
Rfactor 2 deserve died and iracing and asseto corsa become the kings
İnstead of relying on passwords can't they only authorize certain accounts to be able to join the race like a whitelist in a minecraft server LUL
E-sports tried so hard and came so close and in the end it is laughing stock that no-one takes seriously.
Wut? Sim racing is not the only e-sports. There are a number of esports now that have been going on for decades, worldwide, with hundreds of thousands of dollars of prize money at stake. Some esports gamers even earned more than Olympic athletes of some countries, and have had longer careers.
E-sports doesn't have to try hard to be taken seriously, they already have a solid fanbase for decades. They have no need to pander to haters.
I blame Jimmy Broadbent
I wouldn’t do that. He only accidentally leaked the teamspeak and that had nothing to do with the server issues. Thanks for watching🙏
@Markus Soholm - Gaming lol I know I was just messing around, probably should've put an lol at the end.
Haha fair enough, thanks for the support🙏
@@soholmgaming 100%
Everybody commenting to ditch RF2...
How on earth do you think this improves it for the casual SIM racer that most of you are.
The simulators need our support.
Somehow the big brands and organisations can spend millions on productions like this, ask a lot of license money and meanwhile our platforms have trouble to survive..
Get your head out of your .....
Your friend should've disconnected and reconnect. Unlucky that he couldn't manage his controls.
oh yeah, let's ignore let's pretend it's the drivers fault and not the shitty server
@@harald2101 well binding your controls doesn't have anything to do with servers. And reconnecting would've made so he can rebind his controls and still drive without getting DSQ.
Shouldn’t be a problem when he was able to drive just a couple hours earlier? Anyways, thanks for watching
@@soholmgaming he just mad because his favourite sim is getting shit from everybody. Rebind controls every time you join a server… lol
@@soholmgaming Well its hard to say without looking at some footage. He might have not saved his controls earlier, reset his controls on accident, or well his Wheel disconnected. Although rF2 has a couple of issues, controls is none of those. Just wanted to give a tip on what he can do the next race (if you will still do it)
From a gamer's perspective
Because nothing ever goes wrong in the real world that would keep a driver from finishing the race, so expectations of a flawless online experience is completely justified.
I can see your point but it’s not the same. As an example iRacing doesn’t have server issues in the same way. The only thing there was with Daytona a couple of years ago but that was 5000+ people and hasn’t happened since. Thanks for watching
toasted take
Moronic take
For a real-world comparison, this is more like when F1 came to Spa in 1985, to find that the fresh pavement started breaking up as soon as the cars took to the track, forcing cancellation of the race. The problems in the Virtual Le Mans 24H had nothing to do with the competitors, it was all on the organisers.
Mechanical failure is not the same as the track suddenly disappeared in front of you.
aaaaand you won't be racing again lol
I want my 4000$ euros for entering..
😂
Absolutely on Point💣 Anus of SimRacing🤣.....subbedy Subbed🫡
Thanks for the support mate🙏
My pleasure👍