It's always pleasent to listen to respected Tilak Deveshwar. Among all the Indian experts on Pakistan, he is my favourite but then he very rarely appears in media. Thanks for inviting him on your show👍
@@veerbahadursaxena3391 yes Sir, you are absolutely right. That's what happens when some Oldman like me stays out of touch from reading and writing. Thanks for correcting me.
There are certain question that are better kept in private than in open. Mr. Tilak was so smart in handling in such sensitive questions, for obvious reasons.
The history of the Pashtuns is ancient and much of it has yet to be recorded in contemporary times. From the 2nd millennium BCE to the present, Pashtun regions have seen immense migrations including Aryan tribes, such as Persians, Sakas, or Scythians, as well as Kushans, Hephthalites, Greeks, Arabs, Turks, and Mongols..
“ANP considered Punjabi elite as an imperial force and believed that Talibanization was a product of the Pakistani army’s neocolonial attempts to dominate NWFP" (TO LIVE OR TO PERISH FOR EVER” by Nicholas Schmidle, Henry Holt, NY2009). Original aim to defeat nationalist ANP was enlarged to milk dollars & achieve territorial gains. Both Afghan Taliban (TTA) & Pakistani Pashtun Taliban (TTP) were raised by ISI during 1st Afghan war (1979 -1989) to defeat infidel Communists & Punjabi groups were added to assist them. However, elated by the defeat of superpower USSR at the hand of their Jihadists & having secretly acquired nukes, wily Generals instead of disarming & rehabilitating Jihadists, used them to further their nefarious designs in complete violation of the 1988 Geneva Agreement. In order to prevent turf war between Punjabis & Pashtuns, they united 14 Punjabi Jihadi groups to form United Jihad Council (UJC) & transferred them to Kashmir (Stephen Cohen). To fill the vacuum created by terrorists’ transfer, they infiltrated their own army men disguised as Taliban & captured Afghanistan to install puppet Taliban Govt. (1996-2001) to eventually make it 5th province of Pakistan. However, despite causing massive terrorists attacks, ethnic cleansing & finally direct Kargil infiltration, they failed in their territorial aims in J&K. After 9/11, both Taliban found refuge in Pakistan. In order to eliminate threat to Pakistan from their presence & to trap US into protracted Afghan war to extract dollars, wily Generals armed Taliban to kill infidel Americans while secretly giving drone-bases to US to kill Taliban. A large no. of Pakistani Taliban (TTP) got shelter in Islamabad’s Red Mosque & to their surprise found their own country totally un-Islamic with Chinese massage parlors, prostitution centers & obscene video parlors. They demanded Islamic rule in Islamabad & detained some Chinese but were brutally killed in army action. Convinced about the hypocrisy of Pakistan army, TTP turned against its own masters but were branded as terrorists. Under the garb of eliminating terrorists, FATA towns were destroyed to give Punjabi Army depopulated fire-free control of Durand Line which was fenced in anticipation of friendly Taliban Afghan Govt. However, both Taliban now know Punjabi games & it is payback time for Pakistan
I am weary of these "civilizational links" Gandhari, Peshawar, stupa..... l hope people have heard of a word "butshikan"? What does that mean? If incidents of a thousand years ago are impossible to recollect, then Bamiyan should not present the same difficulty.
Surprisingly Mr. Devasher does not, straight off the bat, mention Rohillas (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohilla). Nor does he mention Ahmedshah Abdali. Nor the Lodi dynasty (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lodi_dynasty) which ruled from Delhi for over a 100 years. (He does mention these towards the end, giving them a very benign appearance). We should forget the pishta badam. We should remember that historically, the Afghan was ready to take advantage whenever we were weak. Just because they are creating problems for Pakistan does not mean they are nice guys. They are susceptible to control by a particularly vicious type of Islam. Take advantage of the situation but keep them at arms length. And what is the point of talking about Gandhari, or Mahabharata, or Buddhism. Are we going to open centers for studies of Buddhism, in Kabul, or Kandahar? Too much punditry😡
for those whos claiming hindko indian or punajab because hindko native to nwfp well,Punjabi/Hindko migrants only lived within the walled cities of #Peshawar and #Kohat, not the entire regions as this map wrongly depicts. And Peshawari "Hindko" is closer to #Majhi than to #Hindko proper from Hazara (which is similar to Potohari/Pahari).Peshawari Hindko is basically Majhi (Lahori) with Hindko/Potohari influence. Hko. = Hindko, P. = Majhi, Pe. Peshawari Hindko, they migarted from central asia into the north india and nwfp
Pushthoons or Pukhthoons, an unlucky ethnic entity! they just could not have a homeland of their own. The Yousafzais defeated the Mughal army of Akbar , so strong they were, but even then they remained without a proper State of their own. I would request the author to please enlighten me on this sad aspect of the pukhthoons. Regards from North Western Frontiers
Yousafzai are sons of Yusaf as the pashtuns are muhajirs from Falistine. Mughals brought culture art clothing cuisine architecture to east of Indus river and are our heroes even if they came from Uzbekistan originally the Mughals are our heroes. Pashtuns will be Mahdi's army and march to Falistine their ancient homeland while the rest of Pakistanis will do Ghazwa al hind
@@AwaisAhmadKhan-y5w you are free to go to Afghanistan or Falistine. KPK belongs to hindkowaan and Buddhist archaeology proves it. Pashtuns are bani isrrail but claim they were Zoroastrian however no Zoroastrian archeological findings anywhere in KPK however Zoroastrian archeological findings in Afghanistan that proves pashtuns are migrants from west of hindookush mountains
@@AwaisAhmadKhan-y5w you are bani isrrail thousands of years ago you came from falistine to what is now Afghanistan then hundreds of years ago during ghaznavid empire you crossed hindookush mountains in to what is now Pakistan
Mr Deveshwar’s analysis is borne out of wishful thinking. Flip side is that if Pashtuns come to gather it will be a very rapid start of the end of India. Mark my words on that
Pakistan has over 3 times as many pushtana, compared to afghanistan. The city of world with the biggest pashtoon population is karachi. Every 3rd soldier in Pak army is pashto speaking, of all ranks, from foot soldier to Generals. 7 out of the 11 cricketers, who represented Pakistan last month, in the 2022 world cup final were pushto speakers. Imran khan is our biggest leader, with largest support base, among all ethnic groups, all over Pakistan.
@@VJ592 lol, we know where Imran Khans roots go back to, both from his mother's side, and father's side, who his cousins are and who imran's ancestor's were. Dov*l is an idiot and keeps hiring buffoons, he is not learning from his mistakes, even after debacles in Iran and last year in afghanistan.
@@VJ592 No issue on Durand line bro.We are happy in Pakistan. And rulers in Kabul have often been approached by Nationalists in KPK, to attack Pakistan, to take back KPK. But due to 3 times bigger population in Pakistan of pashtoons, this number scars Kabul rulers, that ultimately then centre of new state be moved from Kabul to Peshawar, which no kabul ruler wants.
@@VJ592 lol, sure, And all pashtoons are desperate to leave madrassah and go to vedic culture, drink cow p, burn wives on the death of husband. Did you ever consider why afghanistan never join indian excursions on Pakistan, leading to 2 prong attack against common enemy over the last 70 years? did you tell 7 pashtoons playing for pakistan in last month during cricket world cup, to leave madrassah and join you?
What a wrong information , you guys are continuously trying to prove that pashtuns are not pakistani what is it . Many pashtuns are representing pakistan worldwide . Being a khan proud pakistani stop your false propaganda
@@tandavaar1598 you hate hindu Jews budhist Sikh . islamist hate everyone because islam is a hate based religion.you also read serian dr vafa sultan book " a god who hate "
Beautiful….. They all thought pak control afghan Taliban where as it was the afg TB that was using Pak for its own benefits. And in PASHTUNWALI, u don’t have over your guests to no one.
It's always pleasent to listen to respected Tilak Deveshwar. Among all the Indian experts on Pakistan, he is my favourite but then he very rarely appears in media.
Thanks for inviting him on your show👍
If he has a book out he becomes visible
Not pakistani experts of India but Indian experts on Pakistan
@@veerbahadursaxena3391 yes Sir, you are absolutely right. That's what happens when some Oldman like me stays out of touch from reading and writing. Thanks for correcting me.
InshaAllah, lar o bar yaw afghan
There are certain question that are better kept in private than in open. Mr. Tilak was so smart in handling in such sensitive questions, for obvious reasons.
Thank you for the episode Surya. Educative indeed 🙏
Gandhara in the Mahabharat (where Gandhari and Shakuni were from) refers to Qandahar, not Peshawar. Peshawar was then known as Purushapura.
how long ago was that,that it was called purushpura?
@@alikhan-ri5ye Puruspura was capital of kushan empire.
@@samsha2932 when was that?how long ago?
Kushan empire probably started in second century AD and ended in 3rd century AD
@@samsha2932 but afghans claim to be pushto speaking inhabitants of this area,upto marghala,for the last 5-8 thousand years.
Excellent analysis. Thank you very much!!
Jai ho, Tilak jee
The history of the Pashtuns is ancient and much of it has yet to be recorded in contemporary times. From the 2nd millennium BCE to the present, Pashtun regions have seen immense migrations including Aryan tribes, such as Persians, Sakas, or Scythians, as well as Kushans, Hephthalites, Greeks, Arabs, Turks, and Mongols..
Some information was new to me. Interesting info. I liked it
Awesome analysis
Pashtun,is one lost ten tribes of Israel...from Bani Israel (Jews) converted from Islam..
im a durrani and i want the full full durran empire back whats a durran line
I'm nalwa I want Hari singh nalwa back
@@pipipupu5104 free free khalistan im with u habibi
@@pipipupu5104 merge into pakistan and its yours keep it
@@shahmoneyshahmoney9250 lol first pakistan has to survive so keep begging panjabi
@@pipipupu5104 iam akbar and i wanna make halwa from nalwa again
Great talk.
It seems SIR BOOK WILL BE HERITAGE 🙏
“ANP considered Punjabi elite as an imperial force and believed that Talibanization was a product of the Pakistani army’s neocolonial attempts to dominate NWFP" (TO LIVE OR TO PERISH FOR EVER” by Nicholas Schmidle, Henry Holt, NY2009). Original aim to defeat nationalist ANP was enlarged to milk dollars & achieve territorial gains. Both Afghan Taliban (TTA) & Pakistani Pashtun Taliban (TTP) were raised by ISI during 1st Afghan war (1979 -1989) to defeat infidel Communists & Punjabi groups were added to assist them. However, elated by the defeat of superpower USSR at the hand of their Jihadists & having secretly acquired nukes, wily Generals instead of disarming & rehabilitating Jihadists, used them to further their nefarious designs in complete violation of the 1988 Geneva Agreement.
In order to prevent turf war between Punjabis & Pashtuns, they united 14 Punjabi Jihadi groups to form United Jihad Council (UJC) & transferred them to Kashmir (Stephen Cohen). To fill the vacuum created by terrorists’ transfer, they infiltrated their own army men disguised as Taliban & captured Afghanistan to install puppet Taliban Govt. (1996-2001) to eventually make it 5th province of Pakistan. However, despite causing massive terrorists attacks, ethnic cleansing & finally direct Kargil infiltration, they failed in their territorial aims in J&K.
After 9/11, both Taliban found refuge in Pakistan. In order to eliminate threat to Pakistan from their presence & to trap US into protracted Afghan war to extract dollars, wily Generals armed Taliban to kill infidel Americans while secretly giving drone-bases to US to kill Taliban.
A large no. of Pakistani Taliban (TTP) got shelter in Islamabad’s Red Mosque & to their surprise found their own country totally un-Islamic with Chinese massage parlors, prostitution centers & obscene video parlors. They demanded Islamic rule in Islamabad & detained some Chinese but were brutally killed in army action.
Convinced about the hypocrisy of Pakistan army, TTP turned against its own masters but were branded as terrorists. Under the garb of eliminating terrorists, FATA towns were destroyed to give Punjabi Army depopulated fire-free control of Durand Line which was fenced in anticipation of friendly Taliban Afghan Govt. However, both Taliban now know Punjabi games & it is payback time for Pakistan
Excellent discussion 💯 agree
I am weary of these "civilizational links" Gandhari, Peshawar, stupa..... l hope people have heard of a word "butshikan"? What does that mean? If incidents of a thousand years ago are impossible to recollect, then Bamiyan should not present the same difficulty.
Surprisingly Mr. Devasher does not, straight off the bat, mention Rohillas (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohilla). Nor does he mention Ahmedshah Abdali. Nor the Lodi dynasty (en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lodi_dynasty) which ruled from Delhi for over a 100 years. (He does mention these towards the end, giving them a very benign appearance).
We should forget the pishta badam. We should remember that historically, the Afghan was ready to take advantage whenever we were weak. Just because they are creating problems for Pakistan does not mean they are nice guys. They are susceptible to control by a particularly vicious type of Islam.
Take advantage of the situation but keep them at arms length.
And what is the point of talking about Gandhari, or Mahabharata, or Buddhism. Are we going to open centers for studies of Buddhism, in Kabul, or Kandahar? Too much punditry😡
It's an indictment on the pasthuns too
The author crux " you never know"..
for those whos claiming hindko indian or punajab because hindko native to nwfp well,Punjabi/Hindko migrants only lived within the walled cities of #Peshawar and #Kohat, not the entire regions as this map wrongly depicts. And Peshawari "Hindko" is closer to #Majhi than to #Hindko proper from Hazara (which is similar to Potohari/Pahari).Peshawari Hindko is basically Majhi (Lahori) with Hindko/Potohari influence.
Hko. = Hindko, P. = Majhi, Pe. Peshawari Hindko, they migarted from central asia into the north india and nwfp
Lar o bar yow afghan
Good discussion...will must read this book
👌
Pushthoons or Pukhthoons, an unlucky ethnic entity! they just could not have a homeland of their own. The Yousafzais defeated the Mughal army of Akbar , so strong they were, but even then they remained without a proper State of their own. I would request the author to please enlighten me on this sad aspect of the pukhthoons. Regards from North Western Frontiers
Really thanks to say that
Yousafzai are sons of Yusaf as the pashtuns are muhajirs from Falistine. Mughals brought culture art clothing cuisine architecture to east of Indus river and are our heroes even if they came from Uzbekistan originally the Mughals are our heroes. Pashtuns will be Mahdi's army and march to Falistine their ancient homeland while the rest of Pakistanis will do Ghazwa al hind
I'm Pashtun and we are not pakistani, pakistan is British project @@muslim_first
@@AwaisAhmadKhan-y5w you are free to go to Afghanistan or Falistine. KPK belongs to hindkowaan and Buddhist archaeology proves it. Pashtuns are bani isrrail but claim they were Zoroastrian however no Zoroastrian archeological findings anywhere in KPK however Zoroastrian archeological findings in Afghanistan that proves pashtuns are migrants from west of hindookush mountains
@@AwaisAhmadKhan-y5w you are bani isrrail thousands of years ago you came from falistine to what is now Afghanistan then hundreds of years ago during ghaznavid empire you crossed hindookush mountains in to what is now Pakistan
Mr Deveshwar’s analysis is borne out of wishful thinking. Flip side is that if Pashtuns come to gather it will be a very rapid start of the end of India. Mark my words on that
Pakistan has over 3 times as many pushtana, compared to afghanistan.
The city of world with the biggest pashtoon population is karachi.
Every 3rd soldier in Pak army is pashto speaking, of all ranks, from foot soldier to Generals.
7 out of the 11 cricketers, who represented Pakistan last month, in the 2022 world cup final were pushto speakers.
Imran khan is our biggest leader, with largest support base, among all ethnic groups, all over Pakistan.
@@VJ592 lol, we know where Imran Khans roots go back to, both from his mother's side, and father's side, who his cousins are and who imran's ancestor's were.
Dov*l is an idiot and keeps hiring buffoons, he is not learning from his mistakes, even after debacles in Iran and last year in afghanistan.
@@VJ592 No issue on Durand line bro.We are happy in Pakistan.
And rulers in Kabul have often been approached by Nationalists in KPK, to attack Pakistan, to take back KPK.
But due to 3 times bigger population in Pakistan of pashtoons, this number scars Kabul rulers, that ultimately then centre of new state be moved from Kabul to Peshawar, which no kabul ruler wants.
@@VJ592 Durand line is not Kashmir with outstanding UN resolutions,with local resentful population, up in arms, suppressed with huge military might.
@@VJ592 lol, sure,
And all pashtoons are desperate to leave madrassah and go to vedic culture, drink cow p, burn wives on the death of husband.
Did you ever consider why afghanistan never join indian excursions on Pakistan, leading to 2 prong attack against common enemy over the last 70 years?
did you tell 7 pashtoons playing for pakistan in last month during cricket world cup, to leave madrassah and join you?
@@VJ592 lol,and you would never see wood for the trees.
Afghanistan se ziada pathan pakistan ma ha yahi wja is mulk ki you taqat or khobsurti ki
What a wrong information , you guys are continuously trying to prove that pashtuns are not pakistani what is it . Many pashtuns are representing pakistan worldwide . Being a khan proud pakistani stop your false propaganda
durran empire boarder ends to deli india
Long Live Pakistan 💜💜💜💜💜💜
Sir plz hindi me bole
Hindi bolnay se ajkal boht se logon ko sharam ati ha
Use auto translate in close captions and get Hindi subtitles. You can do this for all videos if audio is clear even in foreign languages
endian rss hindutva need to respect its Muslim neighbours.
🇵🇰S🇵🇰O🇵🇰B🇵🇰
@@tandavaar1598 you hate hindu Jews budhist Sikh . islamist hate everyone because islam is a hate based religion.you also read serian dr vafa sultan book " a god who hate "
Respect is to be earned and not to be demanded as an entitlement. But then, what do the madrassachaps know about honesty and integrity.
endians seem to be a good name, those who end jihadis.
Cope
Beautiful…..
They all thought pak control afghan Taliban where as it was the afg TB that was using Pak for its own benefits.
And in PASHTUNWALI, u don’t have over your guests to no one.