"Take the pistol off" was a very apt way to describe the way this thing unloads. Like the pistol is just an accessory to this absolute gem of a device.
I feel like if I ever got my hands on one of these, I would shoot 7 rounds, remove the pistol, throw it, put another on, rack the slide, and continue my drill doing my best to keep a straight face
The designer should have added strings and keys to create some sort of ukelele or banjo to be used for troop entertainment and enjoyment between raids.
Not like that ever stopped DICE. Historical accuracy takes a backseat to having cool guns as far as they're concerned. I would say this falls in line pretty well with the kinds of guns the pilot class has.
BackwardsPancake Only tanker/pilot weapon I could ever use is the Pieper. (That't Dutch for either squeaker or potato and since half of Belgium is Dutch speaking that can't be a coincidence)
There are 10 round magazines available for the 1911. I have 5 7 round mags and 2 10 round mags. My 1911 is not dumb it works without any problems and it's outright deadly.
@@youtubeuserdan4017 it's that the Thompson uses whether a large magazine or a drum magazine which is big, circular and holds a lot of bullets. And I think some people may find it very impractical and heavy to carry, just like the gun on the video.
DOD: "The military wants a new close-range weapon to replace the Thompson submachine gun. It needs to be the same length but have a shorter barrel, have a lower magazine capacity that is harder to load than the Thompson drum, and it needs to be just as heavy but significantly more unwieldy. Oh, and ideally it should be semi-auto only." Nomar: "I've got just the thing!"
actually most of the time they used the 20 round mags for Thompson because the drums were only in service for a short time and it’s because they were not preferred because you could carry more of a reserve on your person with 20 round mags and it was much easier to reload and much lighter
Wait there was only 2 ever made and there is a double barrel M1911. Someone needs to put both into one of those M1911s to have an 80 round double barrel M1911. It would be stupidly heavy but super awesome. That's if they fit next to each other.
TroopperFoFo im pretty sure it wouldnt work. from what I have seen on the double barrel 1911, 2 single stack mags barely fit beside each other. this contraption is WAY thicker than a standard magazine.
Kansas Country what about two adapters? Surely someone could make some things that would slightly increase the space enough so that two of these would fit in? It'd make it longer but it's worth a try for the fun of it.
And we all know this contraption would do exactly that if he took a screwdriver to it, complete with cartoon 'sproing' sound as the innards popped out like so much confetti.
I know right? Ian is a good man and a dick too because Right when I feel smart he shows me something and I have to tell myself "no Dane, I R No Smart!"
you really dont know how much a 1911 weighs if you think two of them weigh 10 pounds not even a desert eagle .50 ae weighs 5 pounds maybe when its loaded but unloaded it weighs under 5 for sure
I have to compliment you sir! I don't care to see reviews of new firearms. Instead I love seeing the rare and unique pieces of history, such as this oddity. Keep up the good work my friend!
"Is that dust on your jump wings? How do you expect to fight the Huns- with dust on your jump wings?" - George Luz (Band of Brothers) That's all I could think reading Huns. XD
Sadly I think the devs are going for a more realistic feel in that game and seeing as there were only 2 made.. lol I would love to load up my 1911 with a 40 round clip though!
It's because he was worried about carrying anymore ammunition of 40 calibre. It's estimated he could have got 60+ in it. The spindle mechanism also takes up wayyy too much room. He could have done that far better
wanted to let you know out of all the gun shows on TH-cam yours is the best I have learned so much and it is such a blessing to see someone so knowledgeable as yourself thank you for your show and please please keep up the good work
I think it might be quickly made illegal to have that many rounds in a domestic gun after someone mounts a bipod and tweaks to it for automatic fire...
Surprising similarity to the high capacity magazine design utilized in airsoft. They tend to use a circular "treadmill" to shove rounds around, but you can hold a lot after loading a reservoir and winding it. Guess the design similarities aren't all too surprising.
I kept thinking back to a full auto 1911 I saw Hickock use and had to remind myself that the pistols that would've used that magazine were semi-auto, if they were full auto though I'd have been much more on board.
Ian you rock! I found your channel by accident a few months ago and I love your videos! Keep up the cool and interesting work, I love firearms history and it such a pleasure to see pieces I would never get to in my local gun store or collectors catalogue. Also thanks for introducing me to The Great War, another amazing channel, and thanks for all you do.
Sooo.....not an NFA item? Wonder if the ATF would approve a lightweight folding version of the same concept.....does not even need to be a magazine, just provide a secondary point of contact - that is not your shoulder ;)
@@ReptilianLepton It doesn't have to have anything to do with SBRs or shouldering it. They actual original intended use for the arm brace was to provide a secondary point of contact to the forearm, nowhere near the shoulder. There isn't anything to "but" here. They fit the requirements exactly.
I think he once swore during a match that went really badly. He had a catastrophic misfeed or something. I think he also swore during one of the early mud tests where he crawled through mud with the rifle.
As you mention Ian : 0:55 " planning for the last war". that would have been great for trench warfare and made an excellent addition to my arsenal on Battlefield 1.
1911s have always been my favourite pistol there's just something about them, and in all honestly this is something I'd love to have just for the novelty, maybe someone can make a more modern version with lighter materials to make it more practical even if it's only use is for going crazy on the range
I do wonder, how durable the mag catch would have been after prolonged use. Seems flimsy for keeping a 10 lbs bulk in place. No the whole weight, of course.
This is like one of those third party gadgets for the Gameboy. Just giant, clunky and solves a problem by brute-forcing one solution and creating other problems in the process.
I wonder how this would have gone down if it was introduced earlier. Like how would it have been received during ww1 thus for the time it was meant to exist.
Ultimate stendo. Imagine riding around with your homies and then bringing out this behemot of a thing for the drive-by. The sight of it alone would be enough to discourage any further disrespect to you from other gangs.
But could you use p08 drum mag like a paddle when your landing crafts engine dies? Or to swat pesky German flies? Or to beguile some of the time being bombarded in the trenches by playing pong? I don't think so sir!
I don't understand, wouldn't it of just been more efficient to turn the pistol in to a carbine with forward grip, stock and a drum magazine underneath?
The lower profile I imagine is the reason why it is like it is. Foregrip and stock is nice and all, but you can keep this pistol really close to your body without having to extend too much, opening your firing profile.
"Take the pistol off" was a very apt way to describe the way this thing unloads. Like the pistol is just an accessory to this absolute gem of a device.
It looks like a coin op machine that dispenses detergent boxes at the laundromat.
PeterF just like the a-10 was just an accessory to the GAU-8 minigun
can't you just use a standard mag?
X standard mag is only single stack and holds 8 rounds iirc, only advantage of this mag-stock hybrid is more ammo capacity
@@hunternelson3018 i like you
"It's an ingenious solution to a problem that never should've existed in the first place."
- James May, talking about something else
James may quotes are topical no matter what you happen to be talking about.
if I remember right that "something else" was Jeremy's ludicrously long stretch limo and its pulley system to get into the back lol
@@Finetales A man of culture I see😂
And people say double-stack 1911's are bulky.
Or a double 1911 with two of these FOR EACH HAND!
Or a double 1911 with four of these taped together FOR SPEED RELOADS ON EACH HAND!!
Shame there's only 2 in existence
Calvin_Coolage
imagine an entire platoon equipped with that, sure they wont be really effective but they'll look pretty cool
I feel like if I ever got my hands on one of these, I would shoot 7 rounds, remove the pistol, throw it, put another on, rack the slide, and continue my drill doing my best to keep a straight face
Grant Kendrick dude that’s how I thought you reloaded it
Goddamn madlad
Some Counter strike mod Vibes
Well find something soft if you’re going to be throwing guns around. Like a pillow, or the fallen
Tediore is making some weird shit nowadays...
The designer should have added strings and keys to create some sort of ukelele or banjo to be used for troop entertainment and enjoyment between raids.
chapiit08
Better yet, gas-powered keys. Like a trombone.
You fire to play a note and you can press the keys to change the pitch of the note.
The perfect ranged weapon for a bard.
+5 Charisma
-2 Agility
When you think about it, a "battle banjo" sounds like something someone would carry to battle.
* plays riptide as he murders Rambo style*
Oh baby come on down to the rip ride
Give it to airmen, that way when they're shot down they have a paddle for their life raft.
Like that comment
Can be used as a club too!
It looks like a giant pocket knife, maybe add a fold out blade, in case you need a machete?
Only two ever made? DICE Please add!!
Bo Azz the tanker/pilot class should of had this instead.
I´d actually like it if they went all out ridiculous. Gimme that WW1 railgun Dice. (The first ideas for railguns actually came from around that time)
it was made in 1936. long after ww1
Not like that ever stopped DICE. Historical accuracy takes a backseat to having cool guns as far as they're concerned.
I would say this falls in line pretty well with the kinds of guns the pilot class has.
BackwardsPancake Only tanker/pilot weapon I could ever use is the Pieper. (That't Dutch for either squeaker or potato and since half of Belgium is Dutch speaking that can't be a coincidence)
1911 hater: “1911s are dumb. They only hold 7+1 rounds with standard single stack mags”
Guy who made this: “OR DOES IT?!?!?”
Hey 1911 hater, guy who made this here.
There are 10 round magazines available for the 1911. I have 5 7 round mags and 2 10 round mags. My 1911 is not dumb it works without any problems and it's outright deadly.
Mine holds 9 rounds of 45 acp
@@batteryeater69 I never said I hated 1911s. Also I hate beans. Good luck finding a way to kill me with that man.
@@birubu Raw kidney beans. Absolutely toxic due to phytohaemagglutinin.
Imagine the inventor's face the first time he saw a Thompson
was thinking the exact same thing
his pikachu face is still integrated into the fucking stars
@@mongislort6440 underrated comment
Sorry I didn't get the joke, pls explain.
@@youtubeuserdan4017 it's that the Thompson uses whether a large magazine or a drum magazine which is big, circular and holds a lot of bullets. And I think some people may find it very impractical and heavy to carry, just like the gun on the video.
DOD: "The military wants a new close-range weapon to replace the Thompson submachine gun. It needs to be the same length but have a shorter barrel, have a lower magazine capacity that is harder to load than the Thompson drum, and it needs to be just as heavy but significantly more unwieldy. Oh, and ideally it should be semi-auto only."
Nomar: "I've got just the thing!"
DOD: "N-not you Nomar, sit back down..."
actually most of the time they used the 20 round mags for Thompson because the drums were only in service for a short time and it’s because they were not preferred because you could carry more of a reserve on your person with 20 round mags and it was much easier to reload and much lighter
And then nomar woke up
You forgot it needs less iq requirement to wield
Hey if you run out of ammo, it could double as a club lol
Haha:)
The great thing about a 1911 is that it alone works as a club.
"If it doesn't work, you can always hit him with it."
yes, but a 1911 or other steel framed gun is gonna hurt em more
to end your opponent rightly, unlatch your magazine and use it as a boomerang
Wait there was only 2 ever made and there is a double barrel M1911. Someone needs to put both into one of those M1911s to have an 80 round double barrel M1911. It would be stupidly heavy but super awesome. That's if they fit next to each other.
Now dual wield those. Too pure for this world
TroopperFoFo im pretty sure it wouldnt work. from what I have seen on the double barrel 1911, 2 single stack mags barely fit beside each other. this contraption is WAY thicker than a standard magazine.
Kansas Country what about two adapters? Surely someone could make some things that would slightly increase the space enough so that two of these would fit in? It'd make it longer but it's worth a try for the fun of it.
I dont think we can call it an pistol anymore. Cut someone add full auto?
Or you could buy a drum.
Perfect Concealed Carry Solution...
"That can't possibly be a real gun."
Is that a 40 round 1911 magazine or are you happy to see me?
40 rounds of .45 STOPPEN POWEH... The world isn't ready.
I know, I actually like it.
Coltc8 He's obviously joking
You truly should've known...
"For fear of the whole thing un-sproinging itself"
Lines like that are part of why I watch this channel.
And we all know this contraption would do exactly that if he took a screwdriver to it, complete with cartoon 'sproing' sound as the innards popped out like so much confetti.
Just when I think I've seen everything, Ian posts a new video that shows that, no, I don't know shit.
I know right? Ian is a good man and a dick too because Right when I feel smart he shows me something and I have to tell myself "no Dane, I R No Smart!"
Have you seen a man eat his own head?
KenworthW900HG David Blaine did it once
TheGoldenCaulk have you seen a man put a toothpick under his toenail and then kick a wall?
@@bigburd875 I hate what you just said so much
"weighs about 10 pounds"
So its like carrying two 1911's.
you really dont know how much a 1911 weighs if you think two of them weigh 10 pounds not even a desert eagle .50 ae weighs 5 pounds maybe when its loaded but unloaded it weighs under 5 for sure
I don't even remember the context of my comment but I'm pretty sure it was just a joke.
onagda id hope so
@@gcart7675 bruh
@@Tokito935 wow 🤦🏻♂️😑😒
You know the designers were smoking some strange stuff when even the magazine has it's own sling.
I have to compliment you sir! I don't care to see reviews of new firearms. Instead I love seeing the rare and unique pieces of history, such as this oddity. Keep up the good work my friend!
Looks like a violin case with an M1911 sticking out of it.
When you run out of ammo you could hide behind it.
Hide behind the pile of dead bards!
For when hunting for Huns in the trenches gets boring and you want to play a rousing game of cricket.
@Roderick storey That's table tennis and this looks hideously awkward for that.
"Is that dust on your jump wings? How do you expect to fight the Huns- with dust on your jump wings?"
- George Luz (Band of Brothers)
That's all I could think reading Huns. XD
I don't know it is practical but I love it. When will it appear in Battlefield one
Sadly I think the devs are going for a more realistic feel in that game and seeing as there were only 2 made.. lol I would love to load up my 1911 with a 40 round clip though!
Realistic like everyone and their mother running around with semi-automatic rifles, submachine guns, and armor in World War One?
Pieter Batenburg considering they were first produced in 1936, and WW1 ended 18 years earlier, I'd say never
oh well, I can't beat your argument
I wonder if Ian has played this game, he would like the Kolibri :D
WHAT! only 40? i thought it was more like 100
It's because he was worried about carrying anymore ammunition of 40 calibre. It's estimated he could have got 60+ in it.
The spindle mechanism also takes up wayyy too much room. He could have done that far better
Just get two. Problem(s) solved.
Dangit 40 could they not make 50 so i can shoot that stars right into the enemy
dcrypter87 .45 is no small cartridge.
And its just single stack
“Shot the shit out of it” gave me the best laugh I’ve had all day. Thanks for all the great videos sir.
- So... What do you do for a living?
- I design the clunkiest possible magazines for the army.
Did they ever buy one?
I think that I can do worse
wanted to let you know out of all the gun shows on TH-cam yours is the best I have learned so much and it is such a blessing to see someone so knowledgeable as yourself thank you for your show and please please keep up the good work
"Impractical" Hell... Somebody should start cranking these out in polymer. I'd want one!
Tragically it wasn’t on at the time. That would be irresponsible now wouldn’t it.
I think it might be quickly made illegal to have that many rounds in a domestic gun after someone mounts a bipod and tweaks to it for automatic fire...
I was literally just thinking someone should 3D print this design
It's not "intended to be shouldered" so it would classify as a brace...
Glen McGillivray you don’t know how guns or laws work huh? That’s okay.
I'm not sure why, but I enjoy it when you're not sure what's going on with obscure devices. Really cool!!! thanks Ian!
You see Ivan...
Lost.
you see ivan when shoot like this you do not run out of ammo for fear of 3 hour long reload
you see ivan you do not not kill entire enemy army for fear of 3 hour reload
Yuo see Ivan, when of shoot 40 boolets, yuo will do the more accurate for fear of more reload time
Uoy see Ivan with many boolets you kill entire division before reload
"it's got a bit of a springy bit there..."
Great technical denotation there Ian
There go the low capacity insults.
Surprising similarity to the high capacity magazine design utilized in airsoft. They tend to use a circular "treadmill" to shove rounds around, but you can hold a lot after loading a reservoir and winding it. Guess the design similarities aren't all too surprising.
Even back then I can imagine people saying: 40 rounds? That's it?
Not gonna lie. If I'm raiding a trench I would totally take this shiet with me. Idc if its heavy, I'm gonna have 40 rounds of pure massacre.
I'd rather take a German E-Tool.
For one, it doesn't need reloading.
sadly americans didn't have german equipment (not picked up from the battlefield)
I'd rather have a P90 or PP19 if I want loads of ammo.
I kept thinking back to a full auto 1911 I saw Hickock use and had to remind myself that the pistols that would've used that magazine were semi-auto, if they were full auto though I'd have been much more on board.
Why?
I mistook that for a tiny gun with a full size stock in the thumbnail.
Ian you rock! I found your channel by accident a few months ago and I love your videos! Keep up the cool and interesting work, I love firearms history and it such a pleasure to see pieces I would never get to in my local gun store or collectors catalogue. Also thanks for introducing me to The Great War, another amazing channel, and thanks for all you do.
don't talk to me if this isn't your EDC handgun
I just carry 20 flintlock pistols
Rule of thumb:
If the magazine is big enough that the grammatically correct phrasing is "pull the pistol off the mag" then it is too fucking big.
that is a good rule
More wonderful intros like this, please.
Sooo.....not an NFA item?
Wonder if the ATF would approve a lightweight folding version of the same concept.....does not even need to be a magazine, just provide a secondary point of contact - that is not your shoulder ;)
You mean something to brace the firearm with your arm, like an arm brace?
@@ReptilianLepton It doesn't have to have anything to do with SBRs or shouldering it. They actual original intended use for the arm brace was to provide a secondary point of contact to the forearm, nowhere near the shoulder. There isn't anything to "but" here. They fit the requirements exactly.
>muh doublestack
That rare moment when even Gun Jesus doesn't know what to make of something "You've got a sort of springy thing here." Priceless.
When is someone going to make a doublestack 9mm version?
If you aim so bad, I Think you should use a SBS insted.
They do make double stack .45 1911s though they have the price tag to match the magazine.
Just find the other example of this magazine and tape the two together.
@@TheAlliedninja101 woosh that's the joke going over your head
Exploatores I need sbs with laser
That's ingenious and gloriously bonkers at the same time 😊
Haha first time I've heard Ian swear
I think he once swore during a match that went really badly. He had a catastrophic misfeed or something. I think he also swore during one of the early mud tests where he crawled through mud with the rifle.
in his second channel inrangetv its much more casual and he swears not all the time but as much as a normal person
signs80 when he said shit , not really a swear but was quite funny when Ian said it
Ian was quoting.
MAMODMAN95, lol your profile pic, *the pizza is aggressive*
I really hope someone makes a reproduction of this for modern 1911's. It's super cool!
Things were rough before engineers figured out drum mags, huh?
Josh Callejas by the time this joke was invented, drum mags and MPs were already a thing.
Germany used drums in WW1 with their Lugers and MP18/I
You mean tough for ALLIED engineers.
@@VaciliNikoMavich I thought Thompson drums worked fine?
@@zacharyrollick6169 I think its the mechanics and bullet feeding that could be an issue for it.
With light modern plastics, lithium batteries and stepper motors, it would be interesting to see a modern take on it for full-auto handguns !
As you mention Ian : 0:55 " planning for the last war". that would have been great for trench warfare and made an excellent addition to my arsenal on Battlefield 1.
Gun jesus: "Drums are bad"
1936 guy: "hEHe peesToL dRUm"
It would go well with a Lebman 1911 Machine pistol!
1911s have always been my favourite pistol there's just something about them, and in all honestly this is something I'd love to have just for the novelty, maybe someone can make a more modern version with lighter materials to make it more practical even if it's only use is for going crazy on the range
Ha! My wife said at the beginning of this video that he's like the Mr. Rogers of guns. Another great video though.
Ian, I'm glad you find this stuff, it is fun to see this stuff and admire the ingenuity of the past!
You know what that thing reminds me of? A hi-cap airsoft magazine.
Loading is just as complicated either way
The grand daddy of ProMag, your number one source for ammunition storage devices and jam creation tools.
Can't wait for this in Battlefield 1 dlc.
Ian, I've got to go to school tomorrow, let me sleep. For real though thanks for the videos, I never knew I'd know so much about old, and odd guns.
Were the stripper clips a proprietary object?
Yes.
super technical explanation: it has this bit of a springy thing here
I do wonder, how durable the mag catch would have been after prolonged use. Seems flimsy for keeping a 10 lbs bulk in place. No the whole weight, of course.
Jari Heiska At this point, I'd actually call it a "pistol catch"!
I'd imagine the sling holds most of the weight
So cool, these are my favorite types of reviews you offer on forgotten weapons
Old computers were huge for tiny storage capacity too. :p
40 rounds of .45 ACP = "tiny storage capacity"
killerskillet I guess you havn't seen any actual large cap magazines. It's okay, you can act condescending about it, I wont count that against you.
Pepper Spray
Current 40 round drum mags for .45 ACP are gigantic.
killerskillet So's your mom :p
Pepper Spray
The epitome of wit.
Usually you'd load a magazine into a gun. This is probably the first time I've seen a case where you load the gun onto the magazine.
Even if it's impractical it still looks like a lot of fun. And imagine a .38 Super conversion for 1911 MPs.
They were made in 38 super I had one but it got lost in a boating accident.
I was the second owner of Nomar and it was made in springfield OH by the Eagle tool company around 1937-38 and was sold at a local auction in 1983.
It looks like a giant powder horn.
This is like one of those third party gadgets for the Gameboy. Just giant, clunky and solves a problem by brute-forcing one solution and creating other problems in the process.
They should add this to verdun
Detective John Kimble boi
what part of designed after ww1 don't you get?
Mr Mc Walrus i know, i wish but i know it wasn't made on time. battle field one will probably add it to be "tactical"
Duuuuude. I can’t believe there are two of these and you have one☠️
Thanks for all the very informative videos!
Thank you very much!
AND
Only 2 ever made? Not adopted by the Military? This should be in BF1. LOL
W.T.F.?!!!! amazing contraption. This channel just keeps getting better every day.
Well Iain if you ever run out of ammo, I guess you could boomerang the gun at an enemy....
MrFredthefro lol your comment made me laugh so hard I cried good one 👍
Wow. I love when I find something new. I have never heard of these. Thank you l.
Finally something to go with my Thompson
Awesome just imagine duel wielding these!! The shoulder strap lends itself for that better than it does as a stock it looks like
It is an interesting, if unnecessary, solution to tensioning the follower. Is the patent drawing available online somewhere?
This is one of those novelties that would be interesting to have at the range
ATF's worst nightmare
Look at this lad, an absolute unit.
Random guy: hey man nice machete holster
You: this is a magazine holder
That's pretty cool. I like that they make drum mags for 1911s now
I wonder how this would have gone down if it was introduced earlier. Like how would it have been received during ww1 thus for the time it was meant to exist.
“This is the modified electrodialysis, and this is the springy thing”
When you’re way overqualified for the job
I saw something just like that at an antique arms show recently. Quite a ponderous device.
Well there's a reason he made 2...
Mister dual wield obviously.....
Ultimate stendo. Imagine riding around with your homies and then bringing out this behemot of a thing for the drive-by. The sight of it alone would be enough to discourage any further disrespect to you from other gangs.
well, or just do the german thing and build a drum mag like they had for the p08...
Or just pick one of the various submachineguns available at the time...
German engineering vs American engineering
+hjorturerlend Only that the drum magazine for the LP.08 came out long before any SMGs were available...
But could you use p08 drum mag like a paddle when your landing crafts engine dies? Or to swat pesky German flies? Or to beguile some of the time being bombarded in the trenches by playing pong? I don't think so sir!
***** that one made me giggle like a litle girl
with modern materials and the advanced machining and production technics a true shoulder stock version of this is possible.
So, since this is actually a magazine it's a non NFA item?
Metalgearmadness correct!
Love that wooden sun stone in the background of the intro, my mother has one too!
Thought this was a stock, for a really tiny gun
That fit into your hand.
That magazine is absolutely crazy.
I don't understand, wouldn't it of just been more efficient to turn the pistol in to a carbine with forward grip, stock and a drum magazine underneath?
PurpleStorm8 I was thinking the same then thought no because then that would be A Thompson sub machine gun?
The lower profile I imagine is the reason why it is like it is. Foregrip and stock is nice and all, but you can keep this pistol really close to your body without having to extend too much, opening your firing profile.
You have an amazing knowledge- thank you for passing it on.
they should have feature this on BF1
I was thinking the same
In awe at the size of this lad.
I want this for my M1911 in BF1
I love seeing "accessories" that are way bigger than the thing they were made for.