I talked to the devs about the cartoonish nature of the game. I would be curious to hear more feedback from people around what part of the look is too cartoonish? My personal feedback was the player character models. I feel like it those were harder looking it would improve it a lot. Additionally, the team is for sure making sure to figure out the vision for the actual game
Being in beta, they have room to work on the front end. More importantly... the back end or the games dynamics and game play are what need to be the selling point for me now a days. The flashy looks and 4k graphics are played out and no longer that desired anymore. I can still play D2R in legacy mode and have a great time. So I would wait and see what they do to make the game interesting via gameplay. I can get over the cartoonish look so long as the gameplay is very fun and rewarding.
Two of the things that are a bit cartoony are when they break the purple crystals and the purple wispy stuff comes out, and the green orbs animation flying towards you after you kill a mob. Might just be unfinished graphics? Are they going for a cartoony look, or trying to get away from it? It's not MY preference, but some of the most popular games of all time have been cartoony.
Interesting concept. My huge fear is that "open world/destructible terrain" becomes the crutch that the rest of the gameplay leans on, and it can't support it. One of the reasons D2 did what it did so well, was each area was crafted specifically to have a feel and a vibe that also matched your current progression. A lot of ARPGs lose this, particularly if they go the level scaling route.
Original Diablo 2 devs working on this is huge. You get a team that makes a ledgendary game coming back together to make a new one - that does mean something.
There isn't (hope i'm wrong) . If one thing i have learned is that just because they created a masterpiece 20 years ago it doesn't mean they will do it all over again. One thing that made Diablo 1 and 2 stand out was their dark setting. The whole medieval dark gothic style and creatures
@@xzxxx-km4vy Not every single ARPG needs to be a dark, gothic Diablo rip-off to be fun or considered a good game. We have enough of that exact game at the moment, if I want to play Diablo… I’ll play Diablo.
@@brandonkruse6412 My point is that the reason Diablo 1 and 2 is the way it is, is due to their oppressive dark artyle and creature style and just overall setting of the game. If Diablo 1 + 2 was some cartoon trash like Torchlight it would have never had the success it did, it appeals to those that love real dark medieval gothic style. And this style has never been replicated in any other game. The little details you see all over the zones, the bodies that tell the stories of what the demons did or were doing to them. Like the jail levels, the bodies inside boiling pots in the jungles etc etc too much to count of what makes Diablo 1 + 2 pieces of art. Diablo 1 + 2 is very much like Dark Souls in the sense that many people tried replicate the style and failed miserably
@@xzxxx-km4vy I guess you haven’t played Path of Exile then. Everything you described is what Path of Exile fundamentally started with and has greatly innovated and improved to become objectively a better Diablo 2 while Diablo 2 has seen 0 updates or improvements aside from minor numerical changes. I really think you are putting too much stock in things that most ARPG players simply do not care about. The little details are nice, but stopping and taking in the scenery is the opposite of how most people play these games and frankly it’s hard to appreciate those small details from a game played from a top-down perspective.
@@brandonkruse6412 I have played POE, artstyle is nothing like Diablo not even close. You clearly never played Diablo 1 and 2 with eyes wide open regarding the art style and overall mood setting of Diablo. It's hard to appreciate only for those that play games like spastics for those people a game where your character is a circle in a blank map would be enough but for the rest of us that actually play games and appreciate them not really. Every wannabe Diablo game tried to copy the dark arstyle of Diablo and failed miserably because they have no understanding on how to replicate the dark gothic style that Diablo masterfully created. Every single enemy type in DIablo 2 is unique, only skeletons and zombies are arguably the only generic type of enemy in that game. Let me remind you that Project Diablo 2 has more than 100k players on the discord. There is a reason why every ARPG failed and still continues to fail while Diablo 2 doesn't lose its crown.
I don't like the way the game looks, but i actually like some of the game features that they present. It's really difficult to surpass (or even come close) to the storytelling and looks of Diablo 2.
i think they said modders will have access to different looking things to add, like if you want a diablo 2 world feel they will have it, if u want a more colorful torchlight look they will have that and many other looks, which i find really cool. Graphics they said to ignore atm, it wont look anything like it does now, its very early
Yea, i don't think this will be better than Diablo 2, it'll def be a different game but Diabloish style mixed with Minecraft. They don't have big budget to have good graphic, won't be a good game. You need both good graphic + good game design / core to be a good game
@@Viettzz Not necessary, take example with the Risk of Rain series, those games can't be called pretty, but the gameplay, the OST has seduced many players, i could say the same about The Binding of Isaac as another example. Now i won't lie, graphics aren't that important BUT developpers needs at least to create something with a visual identity, and i'm not sure what i'm seeing has that for the moment.
try out death must die it has such as good d2ish vibe with art and feel... it is a vampire survivors style game I a know there kind of been a lot of them but it feel good lol
its an early alpha ... complaining about the look is pretty of right now .... Terrain , Models ... Spells / skills on the other hand reminds me of early PoE
Needed to start over to get that TH-cam voice, just right. ;) But this looks interesting, you could build arenas for bosses, but cheesing would be very rampant I feel like. I look forward to more reviews from you Llama!
i like it. looks like it already has a lot of polish. i like how the mobs look. and how the combat attacks are not blinding graphical explosions which make it difficult to see what is really going on. i would appreciate seeing more lengthy combat examples, sophisticated enemies, possible depth, and perhaps scripted events. looks fun.
Looks amazing! =) Pre Alpha is of course way too soon to judge, but my initial fear is to have to think about spamming spells to not make the terrain untreverseable. But again, way too soon to judge. Just happy that those people are on it to give us another amazing ARPG. Love the mod support!
Thinking of this game as a kind of Dungeon Siege, Nox or TL1 is a good idea. Not every ARPG needs to be a live-long game. If the first game is just a wonderful play through experience, we got something good. Although adding support for "iron man", "naked", "limited rarity" modes can just add as much replayability as 10 more builds that just screen clear with one button.
For being in Alpha I think its amazing what they were able to show us. That world building is giving me Forge from Halo vibes. The amount of things the moders will do... Can't wait to see more of what's in store for this game.
Great to see the OGs of the genre are still passionate about creating games while current day Blizzard is busy fumbling the bag harder than previously thought possible
I will miss the Diablo lore but I'm thrilled at the prospect of these guys making another game. I've realized over time that the target audience for most games these days simply isn't me anymore. That's fine as long as someone somewhere is making the sort of games I grew up playing
From just this video alone: 1. The destructable sandbox is something super unique and interesting 2. The fog / hidden map can be amazing if implemented right 3. The fact that you can change the camera position is just "boom" 4. We need a good story + character progression 5. I am less excited about the modding - that's something that requires a very good base of the game so it flourishes. But we shall see.
The fact that Blizzard North/Condor Game was able to make Dl and Dll with such insane depth and details with the tech of yesteryear. I want to see what they can do with today’s tech
Itemisation will once again be key. The reason everyone played Diablo II so much was because of the rarity of rune drops and items, and the trading ecosystem that built around it. Items like Tyrael's Might could drop from hard enough areas and monsters, rather than a tokenistic legendary after every boss kill - which is not random enough and generates no dopamine. Soulbound items also need to go.
I tried it back in the day looking for Diablo clones. But I never liked the camera angle or perspective in Nox. It was a bit too steep leaning towards top down.
There is info of the devs talking about this game, can't think of where at the moment but the itemization is going to be like D2's. Can't wait to see what they do with this game
I really dig the art style. It's old-school while having some nice modern touches. Animations are clean enough to be readable, and some of the spell effects are impressive, even if derivative... derivative of games I enjoy, so no issues here. The verticality is something, that if done right, could play an important role is setting the game apart, but outside of Starcraft implementing fog of war into higher areas, I can't think of an isometric game that really implemented anything meaningful to it. FPS games do it well because of player control of the "camera" and well-designed level creation. I'm willing to give them the chance to show me something cool at this point in time.
For years I was saying that an ARPG could use an innovative mechanic to reinvigorate the genre and that could be the option of enviromental manipulation. It's kinda flattering to realise the fathers/legends of this genre reached the same conclusion. Idk if we turn out to be right, but I know it worth the try 100%, Im very much curious where does this concept can go, and how well they can implement it as an important game mechanic and not just have it as an interesting side quirk.
i think they said modders will have access to different looking things to add, like if you want a diablo 2 world feel they will have it, if u want a more colorful torchlight look they will have that and many other looks, which i find really cool
The names attached to this project are what caught my attention. Aesthetically I don't like it much. I prefer the darker feel of Diablo 2. Conceptually, I'm on the fence. It seems they're giving you a lot of tools, but I can't tell if it's going to be fun to play with them.
i think they said modders will have access to different looking things to add, like if you want a diablo 2 world feel they will have it, if u want a more colorful torchlight look they will have that and many other looks. They said ignore the graphics atm, it will look nothing like it does atm, its very early
I gotta say, how ballsy of them to try and step into the same space as PoE2 and come to the conclusion "we can top that" because that's what's on the table.
I played dragon quest builders and has always find the "adventure " part of the game very lacking. If this game has a town building mechanic to it then it looks like it will address all the issues. With destructible terrain this certainly will lean towards a more open world experience than a traditional d2 style arpg, which, will increase the chance of having a town building system... I am very excited to see more
An alpha already feels like more of a sequel than Diablo 3 or 4. This is what I don't like about franchises. Corporate takes over and they stop innovating. The engine, the gameplay, the level design, the items, the progression, the boss fights - it all stays the same. But look, as soon as the innovators return to the scene we see actual creativity.
I'm nervous. Seems like WoW meets Minecraft. Story crafting and world building were what made their masterpiece successful (yes, obvs itemization too, Llama) but this feels geared towards the MMO crowd. Of course it's pre pre Alpha and I know basically nothing about it yet so we'll see lol. If anyone can get me into this type of game, it's this group!
Seems like every few years a group tries to do this whole maleable environment gimmick and it rarely pans out. Either needs too much system resources to optimize or the concept itself ends up being hard to design around in a way that feels good. Like I imagine you could probably do something like bone wall or bone prison but it remains to be seen if that's more effective than just nuking the screen. Or in this case, doing that may prevent you from also being able to kill the mobs if you do.
I really loved the story around Diablo.. I hope this will also get some love in this regard. I am probably the only dude who listened to all gossips and tales from all npcs😂
Why so colorful and cartoony? Diablo 3, Warcraft 3, WoW, Torchlight... The dark and dingy look of Diablo 2 is one of the things I love about the game, and the colorful cartoon look repels me from other games.
think cartooney as a as much details cut off as you can get away with and still be somethign stylisticly, that is a very appealing aspect on developing side of things
I think the modding aspect would be a lot more exciting once the game is super polished with d2 levels of characters/skills/itemization. I know they said it's super early, but they kind of handwaved the comment about those aspects during this showcase. Im pretty sure they said, "we're not worried about the ARPG aspects, we can do that really well, so we haven't focused on it yet." So, we'll see. It does also seem super ambitious with how far they are already thinking into the modding aspect with so little development.
I'm sadden to see all these negative comments. It's pre-alpha give them a chance. It will most likely be a dope game. MrLlamaSC just wanted to showcase all the variants and possibilities behind their concept. I think it has huge potential.
I'm not sure about this tbh. It's cool that they try different concepts, but I don't see how they can all work together. Unless they have some kind of dungeon system where you can reset the dungeon afterwards and leave the openworld free for terraforming. I will follow the project and hopefully they can change my mind ;) I also heard you mentioning Nox, I didn't know people still remembered that game. It's one of my favorite games together with Divine Divinity and Diablo 2
The devs must be confident in what they're making by releasing pre alpha footage. Good on them, I hope this game, if and when it comes out will be a blast for 40 plus hours! Oh... And please be split screen co op!
MMO D2R would be top notch. Instead of hanging in a chatroom, hanging in a town. Guilds can have their own Lycee and banner. A pit for PVP, like in Conan, where people can watch from the outer parameter. A board for trades.
I really dislike the modern ARPG genre. Basically I hate the "I press 1 button and I blow up the entire screen" gameplay. So fingers crossed this will do new cool stuff without just blowing up everything with a single button press.
If you’re reading this Moon Beast devs, PLEASE have an infinite stash in single player and a built-in holy grail tracker. This is something I really wish D2R had and stops me from really getting into the game…
I think they should ditch the destructible terrain. I just don't see how it enhances the experience, it kills the need for them to craft a good atmosphere/environment
thats literally the thing that would make this game stand out. theyre trying to do something different. and this might not be your typical arpg. we may find they get creative with genre by the time the final project arrives. lets maybe have some faith. because if they do a straightforward arpg, theres no way it could ever compete with d2. if they do something fresh, it could be special though
I'm going to give it some attention regardless, I just feel like we're going to end up spending most of our time looking at the destroyed version of the environment, so hopefully that's pleasing visually @@phillystevesteak6982
I am really surprised/not surprised at the negative responses about the few guys who got together and made 5, yes 5 Platinum selling worldwide legends thinking that they cannot repeat. I have been a computer gamer since '81/commodore vic 20, and KNEW what was going to happen when they sold out to activision. The "newer" gaming generation does not have a clue about the history. I have been hearing rumors of them breaking the mold again to show the current market how to really succeed. I can't wait.
First thing I noticed is the spotlight lightning. That gave me instant Diablo 1/2 vibe, and IT IS AWESOME!! Makes me want to go back and play the classic again. (I’ve been playing D4 despite its many flaws.)
You're part of the game, Llama. You're the unofficial marketer as of right now. I don't think anyone would know about this game without your stream(no offense to the legends making it) As for the game, I agree with other comments. Why do Runic make these boring graphics with stale, wow-like color palettes. What happened to the guys who made Diablo 2?
I remember them saying these are placeholder graphics so they have something semi-decent to look at as they test game code. I'm hoping they come back with a dark and gritty aesthetic when they go all in with the graphics.
The "proper physics" and destruction that reminds me of Red Faction (2001) back in the day was something that i really missed in a lot of games hence. I love to see it in an ARPG setting, especially in such able hands. This looks promising but at the same time it can be concerning, especially when you think of multiplayer settings - if you have a group of nutheads that can absolutely just toss you down a self dug well which you will never get out of - considering online communities... well... you can guess the rest... As for cartoonish, i also feel some of the movements are way too quick (think of anime fighting scenes) and the poses look a bit wonky but i blame it on pre-alpha state for now. Detaillevel of character model vs. mobs is also still lacking so i think its just skipped for now or still heavily WIP. I am looking very much forward on progression of this game
This game looks more fun than d4 already, the pacing is brilliant, I hate 100s of enemies on screen at once and everything becomes aoe based skills. This looks interesting
Might be cool for people who like to build stuff, but I'm not sure that's for me. Voxel building feels like it takes away focus from monster slaying and character customization.
Llama, you said the game nox...please tell me you played this competitively online in guilds? I was in Daze and we use to go against the other clan Sage for top spots. I was called X and i remember another player called Tempest.
I hope they pull it off. If they want to go the same route as D2R or PoE, they have to perform better, which will be difficult. They obviously don't have as much budget, so they have to be smart. At least arpgs are kinda popular now, so there's demand.
The industry seems to be stuck. D1 was something innovative and new. Tbh. From there on everything was a just a clone. It is time for something new. A new genre mix and not the 1000th remake.
I feel that a lot of games already did some diablo2-like gameplay. But Blizzard always had the best artists in the world. The bigger barrier to designing a "new" Diablo 2 is the graphic/concept art. None of these games feels moody/scary/serious like D2 was/is. It's hard to compete with Blizzard in terms of art, none of these studios has the firepower ($$$$) to hire 150 top-notch artists
Just make another game with same systems as d2 but new everything, new 5-8 acts, new runewords, bunch of new uniques, new rares, switch around some/new classes and skills, and fix some things like not having the rarest items in the game be useless, etc. that would sell like crazy with modern advanced graphics, but d2 style with all new monster types and skins, no shop, no transmog, no endless tiers where the only difference in 1 lvl, etc
I don't mind the style, and nice ideas, but we're so far that the game could end up be something completely different, or not happen at all. I wish they make something cool and successful and not get lost in corporate BS. They do need someone to write a story that is coherent enough that it wouldn't bother the player too much even after 100th replay. :)
Not looking too interesting yet imo, def tech demo vibe. But I like the idea of player freedom to create, if carefully restricted to not allow a complete mess. I try to imagine fun, destructible pvp arenas, where mobility decreases as the terrain crumbles, or certain character builds that would utilize terrain, like casting a comet on your opponent creating a crater where they stand, trapping them, then casting acid rain in the crater f.ex.
Interesting game idea, personally I was hoping for something more gritty and darker from the blizzard north team. I think the next big big game idea is a mix between Diablo 2 for its style of items, runes, and character class system (skills attributes) with a style of game like Valheim where the bosses are more interactive, the game has more exploration, you have building, sailing, different regions… you add hundreds of uniques and a decent storyline with coop and pvp, 3rd person super scaling dungeon crawler. GG YOUR NOW RICH AS F
Other people have said the devs said the graphics are placeholder in order to have something to look at while testing the actual functionality of the code.
I'm trying to imagine something like a 3D Terraria/It Lurks Below more than something like Minecraft. Maybe you go deeper to find crazier and crazier challenges? Who knows?!
It looks interesting but I will not get too hype over it. The "old blizzard north" crew has attempted an ARPG with new features at least twice before that I remember. Hellgate: London which was one if, if not the first, ARPG FPS. It was a cool premise but unfortunately the game fell flat on its face and I don't think it survived beta. If it did, it died shortly afterwards. The second was "Mythos" which was more traditional isometric ARPG but again it did not survive beta. We will see how this does.
I talked to the devs about the cartoonish nature of the game. I would be curious to hear more feedback from people around what part of the look is too cartoonish? My personal feedback was the player character models. I feel like it those were harder looking it would improve it a lot.
Additionally, the team is for sure making sure to figure out the vision for the actual game
The character models, you're right on. Perhaps the colors at times. While it's dark and foggy, hey here comes some ultraviolet shine.
The terrain makes it look like a mobile game
Being in beta, they have room to work on the front end. More importantly... the back end or the games dynamics and game play are what need to be the selling point for me now a days. The flashy looks and 4k graphics are played out and no longer that desired anymore. I can still play D2R in legacy mode and have a great time. So I would wait and see what they do to make the game interesting via gameplay. I can get over the cartoonish look so long as the gameplay is very fun and rewarding.
Some ennemies look like the ones from zelda wind waker
Two of the things that are a bit cartoony are when they break the purple crystals and the purple wispy stuff comes out, and the green orbs animation flying towards you after you kill a mob. Might just be unfinished graphics? Are they going for a cartoony look, or trying to get away from it? It's not MY preference, but some of the most popular games of all time have been cartoony.
Interesting concept. My huge fear is that "open world/destructible terrain" becomes the crutch that the rest of the gameplay leans on, and it can't support it. One of the reasons D2 did what it did so well, was each area was crafted specifically to have a feel and a vibe that also matched your current progression. A lot of ARPGs lose this, particularly if they go the level scaling route.
Scaling route ruins these games for sure. That’s All it takes
Original Diablo 2 devs working on this is huge. You get a team that makes a ledgendary game coming back together to make a new one - that does mean something.
But is David a part of it...
They could be washed up has beens but we’ll see hopefully good and there is a WoW guy working on it too and which I like but is already like WoW like
They put their all into Diablo 2 they’ll never make another game as good or even half as good
@@dayligs Ya, how great did Quaid do on his old EQ clone lol. These old school devs are just as pathetic as the current market of losers.
Didn't they make Grim Dawn ? that game is complete trash
Diablo 2 hasn't been replicated in the last 23 years for a reason, I am convinced we'll never see anything like it again.
Aye
I guess you haven’t played Path of Exile. Most would consider it to be the direct successor to Diablo II.
I'm curious to see where this goes! These guys created one of the best games of all time, so there is hope!
There isn't (hope i'm wrong) . If one thing i have learned is that just because they created a masterpiece 20 years ago it doesn't mean they will do it all over again. One thing that made Diablo 1 and 2 stand out was their dark setting. The whole medieval dark gothic style and creatures
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Not every single ARPG needs to be a dark, gothic Diablo rip-off to be fun or considered a good game.
We have enough of that exact game at the moment, if I want to play Diablo… I’ll play Diablo.
@@brandonkruse6412 My point is that the reason Diablo 1 and 2 is the way it is, is due to their oppressive dark artyle and creature style and just overall setting of the game. If Diablo 1 + 2 was some cartoon trash like Torchlight it would have never had the success it did, it appeals to those that love real dark medieval gothic style. And this style has never been replicated in any other game. The little details you see all over the zones, the bodies that tell the stories of what the demons did or were doing to them. Like the jail levels, the bodies inside boiling pots in the jungles etc etc too much to count of what makes Diablo 1 + 2 pieces of art. Diablo 1 + 2 is very much like Dark Souls in the sense that many people tried replicate the style and failed miserably
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I guess you haven’t played Path of Exile then. Everything you described is what Path of Exile fundamentally started with and has greatly innovated and improved to become objectively a better Diablo 2 while Diablo 2 has seen 0 updates or improvements aside from minor numerical changes.
I really think you are putting too much stock in things that most ARPG players simply do not care about. The little details are nice, but stopping and taking in the scenery is the opposite of how most people play these games and frankly it’s hard to appreciate those small details from a game played from a top-down perspective.
@@brandonkruse6412 I have played POE, artstyle is nothing like Diablo not even close. You clearly never played Diablo 1 and 2 with eyes wide open regarding the art style and overall mood setting of Diablo. It's hard to appreciate only for those that play games like spastics for those people a game where your character is a circle in a blank map would be enough but for the rest of us that actually play games and appreciate them not really.
Every wannabe Diablo game tried to copy the dark arstyle of Diablo and failed miserably because they have no understanding on how to replicate the dark gothic style that Diablo masterfully created. Every single enemy type in DIablo 2 is unique, only skeletons and zombies are arguably the only generic type of enemy in that game. Let me remind you that Project Diablo 2 has more than 100k players on the discord. There is a reason why every ARPG failed and still continues to fail while Diablo 2 doesn't lose its crown.
I don't like the way the game looks, but i actually like some of the game features that they present.
It's really difficult to surpass (or even come close) to the storytelling and looks of Diablo 2.
i think they said modders will have access to different looking things to add, like if you want a diablo 2 world feel they will have it, if u want a more colorful torchlight look they will have that and many other looks, which i find really cool. Graphics they said to ignore atm, it wont look anything like it does now, its very early
Yea, i don't think this will be better than Diablo 2, it'll def be a different game but Diabloish style mixed with Minecraft. They don't have big budget to have good graphic, won't be a good game. You need both good graphic + good game design / core to be a good game
@@Viettzz Not necessary, take example with the Risk of Rain series, those games can't be called pretty, but the gameplay, the OST has seduced many players, i could say the same about The Binding of Isaac as another example. Now i won't lie, graphics aren't that important BUT developpers needs at least to create something with a visual identity, and i'm not sure what i'm seeing has that for the moment.
try out death must die it has such as good d2ish vibe with art and feel... it is a vampire survivors style game I a know there kind of been a lot of them but it feel good lol
its an early alpha ... complaining about the look is pretty of right now .... Terrain , Models ...
Spells / skills on the other hand reminds me of early PoE
I like the fog of war idea! That coupled with procedural generation makes exploration and adventure feel mysterious again.
true 👍🏼
Needed to start over to get that TH-cam voice, just right. ;) But this looks interesting, you could build arenas for bosses, but cheesing would be very rampant I feel like. I look forward to more reviews from you Llama!
i like it. looks like it already has a lot of polish. i like how the mobs look. and how the combat attacks are not blinding graphical explosions which make it difficult to see what is really going on. i would appreciate seeing more lengthy combat examples, sophisticated enemies, possible depth, and perhaps scripted events. looks fun.
Looks amazing! =) Pre Alpha is of course way too soon to judge, but my initial fear is to have to think about spamming spells to not make the terrain untreverseable. But again, way too soon to judge. Just happy that those people are on it to give us another amazing ARPG. Love the mod support!
Thinking of this game as a kind of Dungeon Siege, Nox or TL1 is a good idea. Not every ARPG needs to be a live-long game. If the first game is just a wonderful play through experience, we got something good.
Although adding support for "iron man", "naked", "limited rarity" modes can just add as much replayability as 10 more builds that just screen clear with one button.
For being in Alpha I think its amazing what they were able to show us. That world building is giving me Forge from Halo vibes. The amount of things the moders will do...
Can't wait to see more of what's in store for this game.
Great to see the OGs of the genre are still passionate about creating games while current day Blizzard is busy fumbling the bag harder than previously thought possible
Following this! Been waiting for this video since your interview with the creator of D2
I will miss the Diablo lore but I'm thrilled at the prospect of these guys making another game. I've realized over time that the target audience for most games these days simply isn't me anymore. That's fine as long as someone somewhere is making the sort of games I grew up playing
we just need another expansion to D2 with like Act 6 and maybe another difficulty level, higher level cap, more uniques, more runewords, better rares.
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and not simple graphic as this new arpg
D2 has a ton of mods, the game doesn't lack content
@@larseunic d2r?
From just this video alone:
1. The destructable sandbox is something super unique and interesting
2. The fog / hidden map can be amazing if implemented right
3. The fact that you can change the camera position is just "boom"
4. We need a good story + character progression
5. I am less excited about the modding - that's something that requires a very good base of the game so it flourishes. But we shall see.
The fact that Blizzard North/Condor Game was able to make Dl and Dll with such insane depth and details with the tech of yesteryear. I want to see what they can do with today’s tech
Itemisation will once again be key. The reason everyone played Diablo II so much was because of the rarity of rune drops and items, and the trading ecosystem that built around it. Items like Tyrael's Might could drop from hard enough areas and monsters, rather than a tokenistic legendary after every boss kill - which is not random enough and generates no dopamine. Soulbound items also need to go.
Didn't think hardly anyone remembered Nox. Fantastic game and wish more magic systems like that existed
Agreed. Nox was excellent.
Nox is still around with a small and passionate community
I tried it back in the day looking for Diablo clones. But I never liked the camera angle or perspective in Nox. It was a bit too steep leaning towards top down.
@@unlockablecharacter8134 Where can one find this Nox community?
Amazing . I also like how softer and slower and less jerky this is compared to arph
There is info of the devs talking about this game, can't think of where at the moment but the itemization is going to be like D2's. Can't wait to see what they do with this game
I'm really happy that those fellas are working on something, let's give it time and see what they come up with! :)
I really dig the art style. It's old-school while having some nice modern touches. Animations are clean enough to be readable, and some of the spell effects are impressive, even if derivative... derivative of games I enjoy, so no issues here.
The verticality is something, that if done right, could play an important role is setting the game apart, but outside of Starcraft implementing fog of war into higher areas, I can't think of an isometric game that really implemented anything meaningful to it. FPS games do it well because of player control of the "camera" and well-designed level creation. I'm willing to give them the chance to show me something cool at this point in time.
For years I was saying that an ARPG could use an innovative mechanic to reinvigorate the genre and that could be the option of enviromental manipulation. It's kinda flattering to realise the fathers/legends of this genre reached the same conclusion.
Idk if we turn out to be right, but I know it worth the try 100%, Im very much curious where does this concept can go, and how well they can implement it as an important game mechanic and not just have it as an interesting side quirk.
I like that the attacks are not that fast. This makes pvp aviable
looks very cool, and what you've described sounds quite interesting. am curious to see where it goes from here
wait 10 more years before this looks done
The sound and look of this is pretty sick so far. Excited to see where this goes
i think they said modders will have access to different looking things to add, like if you want a diablo 2 world feel they will have it, if u want a more colorful torchlight look they will have that and many other looks, which i find really cool
Wow you mentioned dungeon siege and nox!!!!!!!! two of my most favourite games. They are so underground tho
Dungeon siege is one of my childhood games, with the legend of arana expansion... It was amazing
glad blizz north OG's are still spiraling out pushing the limits and inspiring the industry.
It looks cool and all but all i care about is having a solid arpg with loot similar to D2.
The names attached to this project are what caught my attention. Aesthetically I don't like it much. I prefer the darker feel of Diablo 2. Conceptually, I'm on the fence. It seems they're giving you a lot of tools, but I can't tell if it's going to be fun to play with them.
i think they said modders will have access to different looking things to add, like if you want a diablo 2 world feel they will have it, if u want a more colorful torchlight look they will have that and many other looks. They said ignore the graphics atm, it will look nothing like it does atm, its very early
They mentioned that all visual assets are placeholder assets as they are in pre-alpha. All of the art/aesthetics are bound to change as they go along.
I gotta say, how ballsy of them to try and step into the same space as PoE2 and come to the conclusion "we can top that" because that's what's on the table.
This game looks so cool, I look forward to seeing what other aspects look like.
always a pleasure to hear you talk about video games big dawg!
Interesting project. I will definitely keep an eye on it. Even if I dont like the comic look. But as an early alpha they ( hopefully) might change it.
Really hope it works out for them, Definitely going to keep tabs on its development!
I played dragon quest builders and has always find the "adventure " part of the game very lacking. If this game has a town building mechanic to it then it looks like it will address all the issues. With destructible terrain this certainly will lean towards a more open world experience than a traditional d2 style arpg, which, will increase the chance of having a town building system... I am very excited to see more
An alpha already feels like more of a sequel than Diablo 3 or 4. This is what I don't like about franchises. Corporate takes over and they stop innovating. The engine, the gameplay, the level design, the items, the progression, the boss fights - it all stays the same. But look, as soon as the innovators return to the scene we see actual creativity.
I'm nervous. Seems like WoW meets Minecraft. Story crafting and world building were what made their masterpiece successful (yes, obvs itemization too, Llama) but this feels geared towards the MMO crowd. Of course it's pre pre Alpha and I know basically nothing about it yet so we'll see lol. If anyone can get me into this type of game, it's this group!
I hope they make this game fun. Would be cool to have a game where modding is safe.
Seems like every few years a group tries to do this whole maleable environment gimmick and it rarely pans out. Either needs too much system resources to optimize or the concept itself ends up being hard to design around in a way that feels good. Like I imagine you could probably do something like bone wall or bone prison but it remains to be seen if that's more effective than just nuking the screen. Or in this case, doing that may prevent you from also being able to kill the mobs if you do.
Should be like Mountain biking, but vulnerable against planar/peripheral attacks…?
Love the vid! Bro, you gonna take down that d4 poster in the corner?
I really loved the story around Diablo.. I hope this will also get some love in this regard. I am probably the only dude who listened to all gossips and tales from all npcs😂
Why so colorful and cartoony? Diablo 3, Warcraft 3, WoW, Torchlight...
The dark and dingy look of Diablo 2 is one of the things I love about the game, and the colorful cartoon look repels me from other games.
Yep, it's like they are making these games to appeal to kids who play Minecraft, but their target audience is 30 year-old D2 boomers. I don't get it.
they said in that stream that it will be less cartoonish in the future. not as gritty as poe or d4, but less cartoonish than it currently is
think cartooney as a as much details cut off as you can get away with and still be somethign stylisticly, that is a very appealing aspect on developing side of things
I think the modding aspect would be a lot more exciting once the game is super polished with d2 levels of characters/skills/itemization. I know they said it's super early, but they kind of handwaved the comment about those aspects during this showcase. Im pretty sure they said, "we're not worried about the ARPG aspects, we can do that really well, so we haven't focused on it yet." So, we'll see. It does also seem super ambitious with how far they are already thinking into the modding aspect with so little development.
I'm sadden to see all these negative comments. It's pre-alpha give them a chance. It will most likely be a dope game. MrLlamaSC just wanted to showcase all the variants and possibilities behind their concept. I think it has huge potential.
Svarog's Dream is worth a look.
I didn't know this one, art style looks neat, will give it a try.
That's cool they're like building a game engine first like unreal/epic then a game second.
Having the world be so freely destroyed and built up sounds cool, but also like it could be very difficult to pull off right.
I'm not sure about this tbh. It's cool that they try different concepts, but I don't see how they can all work together.
Unless they have some kind of dungeon system where you can reset the dungeon afterwards and leave the openworld free for terraforming.
I will follow the project and hopefully they can change my mind ;)
I also heard you mentioning Nox, I didn't know people still remembered that game. It's one of my favorite games together with Divine Divinity and Diablo 2
The devs must be confident in what they're making by releasing pre alpha footage. Good on them, I hope this game, if and when it comes out will be a blast for 40 plus hours! Oh... And please be split screen co op!
MMO D2R would be top notch. Instead of hanging in a chatroom, hanging in a town. Guilds can have their own Lycee and banner. A pit for PVP, like in Conan, where people can watch from the outer parameter. A board for trades.
looking super duper awesome so far
I really dislike the modern ARPG genre. Basically I hate the "I press 1 button and I blow up the entire screen" gameplay. So fingers crossed this will do new cool stuff without just blowing up everything with a single button press.
hope goes well for them.just make a good game n gameplay it doesnt need super good looking pretty game just solid fun to play for long time.
If you’re reading this Moon Beast devs, PLEASE have an infinite stash in single player and a built-in holy grail tracker. This is something I really wish D2R had and stops me from really getting into the game…
I think they should ditch the destructible terrain. I just don't see how it enhances the experience, it kills the need for them to craft a good atmosphere/environment
thats literally the thing that would make this game stand out. theyre trying to do something different. and this might not be your typical arpg. we may find they get creative with genre by the time the final project arrives. lets maybe have some faith. because if they do a straightforward arpg, theres no way it could ever compete with d2. if they do something fresh, it could be special though
I'm going to give it some attention regardless, I just feel like we're going to end up spending most of our time looking at the destroyed version of the environment, so hopefully that's pleasing visually @@phillystevesteak6982
I hope they allow solo offline play. That was my favorite part of d2
Id say itemization, progression, economy and replayability. But we all have our different views.
@Berigan725 sorry, i should say the option to choose offline or online was my favorite. I hate always online games
@@colinlynch6491 Hehe doesn't change anything. But I get it, it was nice. I was just being a nuisance for no reason and I'm sorry..
I am really surprised/not surprised at the negative responses about the few guys who got together and made 5, yes 5 Platinum selling worldwide legends thinking that they cannot repeat. I have been a computer gamer since '81/commodore vic 20, and KNEW what was going to happen when they sold out to activision. The "newer" gaming generation does not have a clue about the history. I have been hearing rumors of them breaking the mold again to show the current market how to really succeed. I can't wait.
potentially trying to do to many things at once but if anyone could make this work it would be these devs
First thing I noticed is the spotlight lightning. That gave me instant Diablo 1/2 vibe, and IT IS AWESOME!!
Makes me want to go back and play the classic again.
(I’ve been playing D4 despite its many flaws.)
there is a game on steam 'Exanima' costs 10bucks, it has a diablo feel, im having a blast, bought it yesterday
You're part of the game, Llama. You're the unofficial marketer as of right now. I don't think anyone would know about this game without your stream(no offense to the legends making it)
As for the game, I agree with other comments. Why do Runic make these boring graphics with stale, wow-like color palettes. What happened to the guys who made Diablo 2?
I remember them saying these are placeholder graphics so they have something semi-decent to look at as they test game code. I'm hoping they come back with a dark and gritty aesthetic when they go all in with the graphics.
Be great if they added in a weapon to honor Llama like the way Schaeffers Hammer exists
i feel you man, i’m at the point where if the game looks like wow visually, i immediately walk the other direction.
you know someone will remake d2 in it, imagine the possibilities
Cool concept i most say
We are so frickin BACK!
The "proper physics" and destruction that reminds me of Red Faction (2001) back in the day was something that i really missed in a lot of games hence.
I love to see it in an ARPG setting, especially in such able hands.
This looks promising but at the same time it can be concerning, especially when you think of multiplayer settings - if you have a group of nutheads that can absolutely just toss you down a self dug well which you will never get out of - considering online communities... well... you can guess the rest...
As for cartoonish, i also feel some of the movements are way too quick (think of anime fighting scenes) and the poses look a bit wonky but i blame it on pre-alpha state for now. Detaillevel of character model vs. mobs is also still lacking so i think its just skipped for now or still heavily WIP.
I am looking very much forward on progression of this game
Looks pretty cool!
This game looks more fun than d4 already, the pacing is brilliant, I hate 100s of enemies on screen at once and everything becomes aoe based skills. This looks interesting
Thank you for this intro. XD
Might be cool for people who like to build stuff, but I'm not sure that's for me. Voxel building feels like it takes away focus from monster slaying and character customization.
Llama, you said the game nox...please tell me you played this competitively online in guilds? I was in Daze and we use to go against the other clan Sage for top spots. I was called X and i remember another player called Tempest.
i kinda like the looks of it, hope to see more
D2R graphics is amazing. Make a massive addon to d2r with tons of new items/quests/runes/skills and it will be best gift for old fans.
I hope they pull it off. If they want to go the same route as D2R or PoE, they have to perform better, which will be difficult. They obviously don't have as much budget, so they have to be smart. At least arpgs are kinda popular now, so there's demand.
The industry seems to be stuck. D1 was something innovative and new. Tbh. From there on everything was a just a clone. It is time for something new. A new genre mix and not the 1000th remake.
As long as they have a werebear druid, I'll be happy.
I am curious what you think of the upcoming expansion to Grim Dawn and Titan Quest II.
I feel that a lot of games already did some diablo2-like gameplay. But Blizzard always had the best artists in the world. The bigger barrier to designing a "new" Diablo 2 is the graphic/concept art. None of these games feels moody/scary/serious like D2 was/is. It's hard to compete with Blizzard in terms of art, none of these studios has the firepower ($$$$) to hire 150 top-notch artists
what if the map from Heroes 3 had a baby with those hexagon mfs from Bionicle
Just make another game with same systems as d2 but new everything, new 5-8 acts, new runewords, bunch of new uniques, new rares, switch around some/new classes and skills, and fix some things like not having the rarest items in the game be useless, etc. that would sell like crazy with modern advanced graphics, but d2 style with all new monster types and skins, no shop, no transmog, no endless tiers where the only difference in 1 lvl, etc
I'm pretty interested. Let's see where they go with it.
I don't mind the style, and nice ideas, but we're so far that the game could end up be something completely different, or not happen at all. I wish they make something cool and successful and not get lost in corporate BS.
They do need someone to write a story that is coherent enough that it wouldn't bother the player too much even after 100th replay. :)
On a somewhat unrelated note, does anyone know what Mr Brevik is up to lately?
Looks like you're going to explore ancient Minecraft ruins.
Not looking too interesting yet imo, def tech demo vibe. But I like the idea of player freedom to create, if carefully restricted to not allow a complete mess.
I try to imagine fun, destructible pvp arenas, where mobility decreases as the terrain crumbles, or certain character builds that would utilize terrain, like casting a comet on your opponent creating a crater where they stand, trapping them, then casting acid rain in the crater f.ex.
This looks promising!
It looks awesome so far!!
Looks like torchlight meets minecraft
Interesting game idea, personally I was hoping for something more gritty and darker from the blizzard north team. I think the next big big game idea is a mix between Diablo 2 for its style of items, runes, and character class system (skills attributes) with a style of game like Valheim where the bosses are more interactive, the game has more exploration, you have building, sailing, different regions… you add hundreds of uniques and a decent storyline with coop and pvp, 3rd person super scaling dungeon crawler. GG YOUR NOW RICH AS F
Other people have said the devs said the graphics are placeholder in order to have something to look at while testing the actual functionality of the code.
@@deathwrow9652nice if it's true. Don't want to play in clone of thousands games.
I wish this game has my nostalgia feelings in it
I was casually interested until I heard who the developers are. I'm 51... those are my OG heroes!
The biggest mistake Blizzard North ever made was not making another gothic ARPG. They would have made a lot of money.
I'm trying to imagine something like a 3D Terraria/It Lurks Below more than something like Minecraft.
Maybe you go deeper to find crazier and crazier challenges? Who knows?!
Mrllama next time don’t bother to redo the opening if it’s not perfect, cuz you’ll forget to cut it out anyway😂
new starcraft and new diablo 2, what a time to be alive
whats the new starcraft?
@@eagdhj Stormgate. They held their first official tournament with some of the best RTS players
It looks interesting but I will not get too hype over it. The "old blizzard north" crew has attempted an ARPG with new features at least twice before that I remember. Hellgate: London which was one if, if not the first, ARPG FPS. It was a cool premise but unfortunately the game fell flat on its face and I don't think it survived beta. If it did, it died shortly afterwards. The second was "Mythos" which was more traditional isometric ARPG but again it did not survive beta.
We will see how this does.
Looks promising