What I like about this generation is that they’re much more fun at slower speeds. The steering feedback and the lower limits give you much more enjoyment when you’re not doing jail time speeds. The newer generations are so much more capable but they beg you to push them harder to get the excitement out of the car.
This 💯 I got rid of a 991.2 C2S, because although it was a gorgeous daily driver, to experience '911 fun' it needed to be going over 80mph 😬 That's ridiculous. The only place to really enjoy it was on track, and the 991.2 is a big and heavy car. Four track days was all it took to kill a set of pads AND discs. 2.5k UKP bill… Swapped it for a Caterham. Opposite end of the scale. It's fabulous fun at 40mph - and is still faster on track than the 911 😂
@ yeah I have a 987 Boxster and a 981 Boxster Spyder and while the Spyder is 10x the car my little base 987 is, on a road with real traffic I’m actually having fun in the 987 while I’m just frustrated in the Spyder because it wants to be free. The Spyder is supercar light while the 987 is sports car bliss. Both have their uses and I enjoy both, but 9 times out of 10 I’m taking the 987 and only drive the Spyder on special occasions.
As the owner of a manual 997.2 C2 as well as a manual 992.1 C2S, I fully agree with the OP. The two cars are apples to oranges. Which do I generally favor? The 997.2 as it is an analog 911 experience that is no longer available unless one goes with something from the GT department and even then there is still the tech within the car.
People go absolutely ballistic over “on paper” and “what’s better than X” and have really forgotten about what’s fun or why we are car enthusiasts in the first place. I’m one of those elder millennials who subscribe to the Clarkson adage of “sometimes, it’s better when it was worse”. I swear I don’t see myself anywhere in the car community and that’s been depressing… This is an awesomely fun car that’s probably going to get slept on over the next few years.
i agree with you 100 percent. its almost like we forgot what made us love this whole thing to begin with. i love my e46 m3 and i dont think id ever give it up, who cares if a modern maxima out performs it.
Some of this comes down to tires as well. They have gotten so good at making them grip....they are really over kill for many of these performance care and sap the fun out of them. If you are driving around cup 2's in the street...what are you thinking 😂. Even some high performance all seasons just have too much grip for their own good. Along with being annoying noisy as they wear. Less girp is definitely where it's at.
Yeah I can’t think of a modern car to get excited about, they all have so much technology driving for you; weigh a tonne plus are insanely expensive, even for a decent earner you can’t justify the sums of money being asked for these machines. I’m a middle to older millennial also. and love cars but at some point they price themselves out of the market. 90-100k for an M3 means payments are substantially more than people’s mortgage.
There is a reason there is a huge price delta between the PDK and the manual. The manual is MUCH more coveted, as it is with basically every Porsche model.
Former 911SC owner and PCA Driver Ed and Autocross Instructor here who has driven countless air and water cooled 911s. The 997.2 is indeed my "peak 911" at least in terms of the ineffable balance of performance, feel, and road driving fun. You may feel the rear engine compared to what you mentioned, but coming from earlier 911s it is almost like magic the way the car feels. The RWD variant can feel a little busy when pushed hard on B roads but the 4 is rock solid while giving up precious little of that wonderful 997 steering feel. The newer 991 is faster but feels overly modernized, comparatively anesthetized, in much the same way the 993 is faster but not as much fun as the earlier SC. Like I said, ineffable, but you just find it a whole lot more fun at the same speed on the same road, yet still plenty comfortable enough to drive all day and look forward to doing it again tomorrow.
I owned a 997 GTS with PDK for a couple of years. It comes alive when you're driving higher speeds or on windy roads, but I found it a bit boring in daily driving. As you said, the first generation PDK is quite crude and jerky in some situations, esp. places like car parks or crawling in traffic. I might have kept the GTS if it had manual transmission, but virtually no manuals were sold in Australia. I own a BMW 1M from the same year (2011) and in many respects it's a less polished and accomplished car, its engine and brakes are certainly not as good as the Porsche's . . . but my God it's fun to drive!
I would go back and watch your reaction to your 997.1 C4S review. You were really impressed with that 997.1 C4S and that's what I have had for 15 years now. I still feel it is really exciting to drive fast or slow and gives you all the feedback you could ask for. The newer 911's are faster, bigger, quieter, and have more modern gadgets, but they are a bit boring at slow speeds. Their capabilities are so high that city driving does not allow you to really explore or enjoy them as often as the older cars. Different strokes for different folks. Some people always want the latest and greatest. I think the 997 will go down as one of Porsche's best generations.
@@CesarMartinez-gl9ko it's not just the gearing with the new cars, but their higher redlines with the newer engines. Higher redlines move the peak torque curve higher as well. 997 redlines about 7000 rpm. Newer cars 7500-8000 rpm. 997 2nd gear at 7000 rpm is about 65-70 mph, top of 3rd 100 mph. 991 2nd gear at 7500 rpm is about 80 mph top of 3rd about 110 mph
@@qikqbn77 this is my experience too. I own a 987 base Boxster and a 981 Boxster Spyder and while the Spyder feels like a baby supercar and 2 generations newer (it’s only 1 gen apart) the 987 is just more enjoyable at regular speeds. I actually prefer it most days because the Spyder demands I drive it harder to get that same energy.
Totally agree that the "up is up, down is down" on the first gen PDK is very annoying... it's like that itch that i can never scratch... WITH THAT SAID, when you manually shift the PDK with the lever, the shifts do noticeably FEEL faster... especially when in sport plus mode. Highly encourage you to try that the next time you review a 997.2 PDK. First gen PDK has it's quirks, but I feel that you can alleviate a couple of those quirks if you 1 - Shift manually (no more lurching in 1st gear during Sport / Sport plus mode) and 2 - Use the lever to shift (shifts feel faster, and you don't notice the longer travel of the paddles) PS. i love that "kick in the butt" feeling between 1st and 2nd and 2nd and 3rd gears.... As always though, appreciate your honest and objective reviews... Keep up the great content!
I've got a 997.2 C4S with a 6 speed manual and I also have the Sharkwerks center muffler bypass which really ups the sound and gives about 10hp. Manual is the way to go on these 997s. Not as fast a newer Carerra S, but easy to enjoy without jeopardizing your license. Try to get the leather stitching option which elevates the interior feel. The 997.2 also has much better looking center stack and more modern PCM than the .1. Only downside of the 997.2 compared to newer ones is more NHV and interior prone to rattles.
I went from a 718 Boxster GTS 2.5 to a 997.2 C2S. The change in handling from mid to rear engine is drastic and takes some time to get used to. It takes time to learn to trust the 997 and push hard through turns particularly ones with a decreasing radius. When you've learned the cars limits it's very enjoyable and much more relaxed than the Boxster to drive however if handling is the most important feature stay with a Boxster or Cayman.
Did you try with the PDK in ‘Sport’? Ironically that actually gives you snappier yet smoother gearshifts vs Sport Plus which gives you the shove in the back
The difference between sport and sport plus is significant. If you are blessed enough to own this car I encourage you to take it to some twistys and drive it like it was engineered to be enjoyed.
Good review, thanks for the video! Would love for you to do a video on a 997.2 with manual transmission. I have an S that I’ve owned for about eight years. Continues to put a smile on my face every time I drive it! Like you said, still very analog and raw. Can’t get that in the newer cars. You’re welcome to drive mine, But I live in Ohio!
What's the difference between the hydraulic steering in the 997.2 and 987.2? Did Porsche use the same rack between the two or is the 911 better somehow?
I love my 2011 GTS with PDK and you’re right it has that old school feel and it’s sized perfectly and in addition to my 1976 911S manual with 3.0l engine they are both just fun cars to drive. That’s why we have them right. Early morning Magnus drive anyone?
997.2 GTS vs 991.2 GT3 MT. I would have to pick the latter. Otherwise the 997 is a hard to beat choice compared to many other cars. Most people can’t access anything more than what this GTS can do even on track anyway, let alone on streets. This GTS does need a manual gearbox to really bring the fun factor higher.
I owned an E46 M3 Cab brand new and at that time it felt very rigid and despite weighing and feeling a bit heavier than the coupe at the time I’d say most of the handling characteristics of the coupe were present. However, this past spring a friend of mine bought a very nice low mileage (36,000 ish) E46 M3 Cab and I was anxious to drive it. I’m assuming it’s just natural loosening up with metal fatigue after roughly 2 decades, but it didn’t feel nearly as solid as it when new and body twist and cowl shake was very noticeable. Just my observations, I know this probably confuses more than helps
@ It does but I still welcome the response and always love to hear people’s experiences! I am dealing with a total loss on my brz i had owned since 2015 and am looking into s2k, Nd2, or m3s. A lot of people have suggested e46 conversionble as a dark horse candidate
I've only driven one E46 convertible and it was a long time ago. I remember it feeling substantially less rigid than the coupe. For me it's a deal breaker.
Not sure where you got your 997.2 cabrio info. It weighs 3329 with a manual transmission. Not sure where "they added all kinds of extra weight" thing came from.
Excellent review. Great cars, probably top of the heap for a street focused, involving modern 911. The problem is the price. You can buy 2 Carrera S cars for one of these. Wide body and x51 power kit are nice but just not worth that much coin. You could buy a C4S, add some mods, and be close to 408 hp. Cayman is technically better handling but not as involving or fun.
The size of the 997.2 vs lets say a 991.1 certainly is a factor but don’t forget the weight savings of 350lbs (~10%) 3,400 vs 3,050lbs going to a 991 should be mentioned! Although the 991 is ‘bigger’ Porsche was still able to get a significant weight reduction over a 997.2. ESP these days newer cars are adding more and more weight, losing that nimbleness of a proper sports car!
I was gonna call shenanigans but you are right! Well mostly right, I'm seeing weight more in the 3150 range but that's still incredible. That alone makes a 991.1 worth the premium.
The brutality of the gen 1 PDK in the 997 was programmed in by Porsche for "emotion." But only in a straight line. Do a shift mid-corner and it'll be smooth. I have a used example of a c2s. Came with PS4S tires which when time came I switched to N-spec Pirellis. I have to say I much prefer the ride, grip and steering feedback from the N-spec tires. I drove a 991.2 and within just a few metres hated its electric steering.
Considering the aftermarket prices for these 997 GTS’s in manual form, I’m wondering what your thoughts are when comparing it to a 718 GTS 4.0 for spirited weekend drives. Does the more analog feel of the 997GTS make it more special on those backroad drives?
I've always prefer Cayman handling dynamics over 911 for canyon drives. 718 GTS 4.0 is far beyond the 997 GTS in terms of performance. Only area where the 997 shines is steering feedback.
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The 997 chassis was still basically a 996 under the skin. This is why all the parts swap back and forth easily between those chassis. The 997 was heavier than the 996 though. The 991 was an all new design from the ground up. The 991 was the only modern Porsche that was lighter weight than the previous generation.
A big reason (for me) why this car doesn't seem like an even remotely special car, is due to Porsche doing a million different types of 911's. Four different Targa models, four different Cabriolet models, five Carrera models. This just dilutes them all down imo into a scenario where the GT3, GT2 and Turbo models are lightyears more desirable and significantly more dynamic. The only exception to this I guess would be the over priced 997 Sport Classic
@ I think it does. Driving environment matters to driving pleasure to a degree. And there’s absolutely no downside to having the subjectively higher quality feeling interior.
What I like about this generation is that they’re much more fun at slower speeds. The steering feedback and the lower limits give you much more enjoyment when you’re not doing jail time speeds. The newer generations are so much more capable but they beg you to push them harder to get the excitement out of the car.
This 💯 I got rid of a 991.2 C2S, because although it was a gorgeous daily driver, to experience '911 fun' it needed to be going over 80mph 😬 That's ridiculous. The only place to really enjoy it was on track, and the 991.2 is a big and heavy car. Four track days was all it took to kill a set of pads AND discs. 2.5k UKP bill… Swapped it for a Caterham. Opposite end of the scale. It's fabulous fun at 40mph - and is still faster on track than the 911 😂
@ yeah I have a 987 Boxster and a 981 Boxster Spyder and while the Spyder is 10x the car my little base 987 is, on a road with real traffic I’m actually having fun in the 987 while I’m just frustrated in the Spyder because it wants to be free.
The Spyder is supercar light while the 987 is sports car bliss. Both have their uses and I enjoy both, but 9 times out of 10 I’m taking the 987 and only drive the Spyder on special occasions.
As the owner of a manual 997.2 C2 as well as a manual 992.1 C2S, I fully agree with the OP. The two cars are apples to oranges. Which do I generally favor? The 997.2 as it is an analog 911 experience that is no longer available unless one goes with something from the GT department and even then there is still the tech within the car.
People go absolutely ballistic over “on paper” and “what’s better than X” and have really forgotten about what’s fun or why we are car enthusiasts in the first place. I’m one of those elder millennials who subscribe to the Clarkson adage of “sometimes, it’s better when it was worse”. I swear I don’t see myself anywhere in the car community and that’s been depressing…
This is an awesomely fun car that’s probably going to get slept on over the next few years.
i agree with you 100 percent. its almost like we forgot what made us love this whole thing to begin with. i love my e46 m3 and i dont think id ever give it up, who cares if a modern maxima out performs it.
Savagegeese makes great content. There's still some of us that understand it's how a car makes you feel that matters even more than looks or numbers.
Some of this comes down to tires as well. They have gotten so good at making them grip....they are really over kill for many of these performance care and sap the fun out of them. If you are driving around cup 2's in the street...what are you thinking 😂. Even some high performance all seasons just have too much grip for their own good. Along with being annoying noisy as they wear. Less girp is definitely where it's at.
Yeah I can’t think of a modern car to get excited about, they all have so much technology driving for you; weigh a tonne plus are insanely expensive, even for a decent earner you can’t justify the sums of money being asked for these machines.
I’m a middle to older millennial also. and love cars but at some point they price themselves out of the market. 90-100k for an M3 means payments are substantially more than people’s mortgage.
There is a reason there is a huge price delta between the PDK and the manual. The manual is MUCH more coveted, as it is with basically every Porsche model.
Former 911SC owner and PCA Driver Ed and Autocross Instructor here who has driven countless air and water cooled 911s. The 997.2 is indeed my "peak 911" at least in terms of the ineffable balance of performance, feel, and road driving fun. You may feel the rear engine compared to what you mentioned, but coming from earlier 911s it is almost like magic the way the car feels. The RWD variant can feel a little busy when pushed hard on B roads but the 4 is rock solid while giving up precious little of that wonderful 997 steering feel. The newer 991 is faster but feels overly modernized, comparatively anesthetized, in much the same way the 993 is faster but not as much fun as the earlier SC. Like I said, ineffable, but you just find it a whole lot more fun at the same speed on the same road, yet still plenty comfortable enough to drive all day and look forward to doing it again tomorrow.
I owned a 997 GTS with PDK for a couple of years. It comes alive when you're driving higher speeds or on windy roads, but I found it a bit boring in daily driving. As you said, the first generation PDK is quite crude and jerky in some situations, esp. places like car parks or crawling in traffic. I might have kept the GTS if it had manual transmission, but virtually no manuals were sold in Australia. I own a BMW 1M from the same year (2011) and in many respects it's a less polished and accomplished car, its engine and brakes are certainly not as good as the Porsche's . . . but my God it's fun to drive!
I would go back and watch your reaction to your 997.1 C4S review. You were really impressed with that 997.1 C4S and that's what I have had for 15 years now. I still feel it is really exciting to drive fast or slow and gives you all the feedback you could ask for. The newer 911's are faster, bigger, quieter, and have more modern gadgets, but they are a bit boring at slow speeds. Their capabilities are so high that city driving does not allow you to really explore or enjoy them as often as the older cars. Different strokes for different folks. Some people always want the latest and greatest. I think the 997 will go down as one of Porsche's best generations.
How's the gearing? I'm on the fence for 991 because I hear gearing is tall on the 991.1. What about the 997?
@@CesarMartinez-gl9ko it's not just the gearing with the new cars, but their higher redlines with the newer engines. Higher redlines move the peak torque curve higher as well. 997 redlines about 7000 rpm. Newer cars 7500-8000 rpm. 997 2nd gear at 7000 rpm is about 65-70 mph, top of 3rd 100 mph. 991 2nd gear at 7500 rpm is about 80 mph top of 3rd about 110 mph
@@qikqbn77 this is my experience too. I own a 987 base Boxster and a 981 Boxster Spyder and while the Spyder feels like a baby supercar and 2 generations newer (it’s only 1 gen apart) the 987 is just more enjoyable at regular speeds. I actually prefer it most days because the Spyder demands I drive it harder to get that same energy.
Indeed. See my comment above. The 997 is the SC of the water cooled 911s, a Porsche home run.
@@charlesmiller6281since when are the 911SC’s the accepted holy grail of the aircooled 911’s though aha
Started with a 996.2 C2S, went to a 991.1 C2S and now have a 997.2 Carrera GTS. It's the Goldilocks car and a keeper.
Totally agree that the "up is up, down is down" on the first gen PDK is very annoying... it's like that itch that i can never scratch... WITH THAT SAID, when you manually shift the PDK with the lever, the shifts do noticeably FEEL faster... especially when in sport plus mode. Highly encourage you to try that the next time you review a 997.2 PDK.
First gen PDK has it's quirks, but I feel that you can alleviate a couple of those quirks if you 1 - Shift manually (no more lurching in 1st gear during Sport / Sport plus mode) and 2 - Use the lever to shift (shifts feel faster, and you don't notice the longer travel of the paddles)
PS. i love that "kick in the butt" feeling between 1st and 2nd and 2nd and 3rd gears....
As always though, appreciate your honest and objective reviews... Keep up the great content!
I've got a 997.2 C4S with a 6 speed manual and I also have the Sharkwerks center muffler bypass which really ups the sound and gives about 10hp. Manual is the way to go on these 997s. Not as fast a newer Carerra S, but easy to enjoy without jeopardizing your license. Try to get the leather stitching option which elevates the interior feel. The 997.2 also has much better looking center stack and more modern PCM than the .1. Only downside of the 997.2 compared to newer ones is more NHV and interior prone to rattles.
The consistency is unreal! Keep up the great work
I went from a 718 Boxster GTS 2.5 to a 997.2 C2S. The change in handling from mid to rear engine is drastic and takes some time to get used to. It takes time to learn to trust the 997 and push hard through turns particularly ones with a decreasing radius. When you've learned the cars limits it's very enjoyable and much more relaxed than the Boxster to drive however if handling is the most important feature stay with a Boxster or Cayman.
Did you try with the PDK in ‘Sport’? Ironically that actually gives you snappier yet smoother gearshifts vs Sport Plus which gives you the shove in the back
The difference between sport and sport plus is significant. If you are blessed enough to own this car I encourage you to take it to some twistys and drive it like it was engineered to be enjoyed.
Good review, thanks for the video! Would love for you to do a video on a 997.2 with manual transmission. I have an S that I’ve owned for about eight years. Continues to put a smile on my face every time I drive it! Like you said, still very analog and raw. Can’t get that in the newer cars. You’re welcome to drive mine, But I live in Ohio!
997.2 gts vs S vs Base vs 718 gts 4.0 would be a perfect comparo
The Porsche comparo ideas are endless!
What's the difference between the hydraulic steering in the 997.2 and 987.2? Did Porsche use the same rack between the two or is the 911 better somehow?
I love my 2011 GTS with PDK and you’re right it has that old school feel and it’s sized perfectly and in addition to my 1976 911S manual with 3.0l engine they are both just fun cars to drive. That’s why we have them right. Early morning Magnus drive anyone?
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Hey Zygrene, it would be nice if you mention the elevation your canyon runs are at. High elevation knocks lots of horsepower out of NA engines.
That's true. This road is pretty high up there. I drove NC Miatas earlier in the day and they felt so slow.
Nice review!! Love the 997.2 GTS. but mine has three pedals 😤
997.2 GTS vs 991.2 GT3 MT. I would have to pick the latter. Otherwise the 997 is a hard to beat choice compared to many other cars. Most people can’t access anything more than what this GTS can do even on track anyway, let alone on streets. This GTS does need a manual gearbox to really bring the fun factor higher.
Love the 997GTS, especially the exhaust! PDK too 💪
@Zygrene can you share your thoughts on how much of a compromise the E46 m3 convertible is?
I owned an E46 M3 Cab brand new and at that time it felt very rigid and despite weighing and feeling a bit heavier than the coupe at the time I’d say most of the handling characteristics of the coupe were present. However, this past spring a friend of mine bought a very nice low mileage (36,000 ish) E46 M3 Cab and I was anxious to drive it. I’m assuming it’s just natural loosening up with metal fatigue after roughly 2 decades, but it didn’t feel nearly as solid as it when new and body twist and cowl shake was very noticeable. Just my observations, I know this probably confuses more than helps
@ It does but I still welcome the response and always love to hear people’s experiences! I am dealing with a total loss on my brz i had owned since 2015 and am looking into s2k, Nd2, or m3s. A lot of people have suggested e46 conversionble as a dark horse candidate
I've only driven one E46 convertible and it was a long time ago. I remember it feeling substantially less rigid than the coupe. For me it's a deal breaker.
Not sure where you got your 997.2 cabrio info. It weighs 3329 with a manual transmission. Not sure where "they added all kinds of extra weight" thing came from.
Excellent review. Great cars, probably top of the heap for a street focused, involving modern 911. The problem is the price. You can buy 2 Carrera S cars for one of these. Wide body and x51 power kit are nice but just not worth that much coin. You could buy a C4S, add some mods, and be close to 408 hp. Cayman is technically better handling but not as involving or fun.
The size of the 997.2 vs lets say a 991.1 certainly is a factor but don’t forget the weight savings of 350lbs (~10%) 3,400 vs 3,050lbs going to a 991 should be mentioned! Although the 991 is ‘bigger’ Porsche was still able to get a significant weight reduction over a 997.2. ESP these days newer cars are adding more and more weight, losing that nimbleness of a proper sports car!
I was gonna call shenanigans but you are right! Well mostly right, I'm seeing weight more in the 3150 range but that's still incredible. That alone makes a 991.1 worth the premium.
997 has more personality and character of a rear engined car. its what makes 911 unique and quirky
The last great era of Porsche. It’s all gone downhill since.
The brutality of the gen 1 PDK in the 997 was programmed in by Porsche for "emotion." But only in a straight line. Do a shift mid-corner and it'll be smooth. I have a used example of a c2s. Came with PS4S tires which when time came I switched to N-spec Pirellis. I have to say I much prefer the ride, grip and steering feedback from the N-spec tires. I drove a 991.2 and within just a few metres hated its electric steering.
Considering the aftermarket prices for these 997 GTS’s in manual form, I’m wondering what your thoughts are when comparing it to a 718 GTS 4.0 for spirited weekend drives. Does the more analog feel of the 997GTS make it more special on those backroad drives?
Quick answer: I have a 997 GTS and a 981 GTS. I prefer driving the 981 GTS, so I would say a 718 GTS 4.0 would be the choice.
I've always prefer Cayman handling dynamics over 911 for canyon drives. 718 GTS 4.0 is far beyond the 997 GTS in terms of performance. Only area where the 997 shines is steering feedback.
DSC controller can greatly improve the pasm
I’d much rather prefer a fabspeed x pipe compared to the sharkwerks crossover pipes. The x pipe creates a much better note.
I have the GTS Coupe Manual and it’s only fun at the higher RPM
If you had to pick between a 997.2 PDK turbo, or GTS - which one and why?
Ill take 996 or 997 turbo any day so much more fun even on slow technical track or roads
What’s your view on 997.2 GTS vs 991.1 GTS ? Or even c2s for that matter
Owner needs to install PCCM infotainment system. 🤙
your friend should get a 997.2 gt3. if he doesn't regret it getting a 991, he's not a true petrolhead lol
would you get over 987.2 S?
I would but only because I prefer how the 997.2 looks
You need the manual version. A very different driving experience.
DOMMAGE LA MEILLEURE VERSION DE LA 997 gets est bien sûr en boîte manuelle 👌
Do u know tj hunt ? I think his azn homie had this car
I believe he’s got a 997.1 Carrera S. Pretty awesome build.
I don't personally know him. Don't think this is the same car.
If one chooses to drive a 997, first of all, you would want to drive a manual, wouldn't you?
987/997’s with autos make me real sad.
Why can't people like different things?
hell no
Personally I would, but the PDK is a solid transmission.
@@ThereIsNoSubstitute nope, PDK for me
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991.1 GTS. The 997.2 GTS is very good. Why would it be obsolete? Both are great.
PDK in the 991.1 gen is much much better.
997 is best gen fr
That’s true but shush. People will know and price goes up. I’m trying to buy one….
The 997 chassis was still basically a 996 under the skin. This is why all the parts swap back and forth easily between those chassis. The 997 was heavier than the 996 though. The 991 was an all new design from the ground up. The 991 was the only modern Porsche that was lighter weight than the previous generation.
Actually the 991 ways more than the 997 and the 996. A 996 C2 is the lightest 911 of them all even lighter than a 993 and 964
A big reason (for me) why this car doesn't seem like an even remotely special car, is due to Porsche doing a million different types of 911's. Four different Targa models, four different Cabriolet models, five Carrera models. This just dilutes them all down imo into a scenario where the GT3, GT2 and Turbo models are lightyears more desirable and significantly more dynamic. The only exception to this I guess would be the over priced 997 Sport Classic
992 steering wheel in a 997 is anything but classy lmao. This sucker is also missing full leather. Major miss.
I have full leather in my GT3 and I wish I had the standard rubberized interior like my Cayenne.
PDK makes baby Jesus sad. So does the plastic cabin!
Plastic cabin doesn’t matter for driving and enjoying the performance of the car. PDK does.
@ I think it does. Driving environment matters to driving pleasure to a degree. And there’s absolutely no downside to having the subjectively higher quality feeling interior.
It’s ugly