TITANS Already Attacking! Yeah, They Are EVIL! (TWW Beta)
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Titans are 100% the bad guys and if you are ever in doubt check out this collosal construct from the beta they planted in order to wipe out their own in case they start getting free will. They created mechanisms to destroy the planet, they ripped out a world tree the one in Khaz'Algar, they tried to wipe out their own servants and most interestingly they might have placed the entire world soul of Azeroth into a giant prison as can be seen from the logos. It has been confirmed that they are going to be coming in person and they are definitely not coming to save us. Soon we will learn what really happened between the pantheon and Sargeras, how they might have imprisoned our world and what they really are.
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What's gonna happen? Well, i can't be sure, but i know the Horde will cause a war over selfish, petty, and deranged reasons like clockwork. The original Horde, the Doomhammer Horde, the Grommash Horde, the Sylvanas incident. One good leader and everyone forgives every bloodthiry attempt at tyranny, past and future.
People say, "You're too hard on them", am I though? How many times do you have to touch a fire before you figure out it's hot? And those shameless elves! Just once in ten thousand years, could you deal with some unpleasantness while we fight the undead to save the places you lost? "Do they think we're slaves? He called me long ears! Let's join their arch enemy!". Those elves fit right in with...the orcs
And people still talk about the Defias brotherhood and the Alliance as if it's in any way comparable. But what Alliance leader is in any way similar to Gul'dan, Doomhammer(who they still idolize), Grommash, or Sylvanas?
Dude......if you read the lekker quest info. It has to so with someone messing or destroying with a titan console. This is a automatic response. Like a virus scanner deleten a virus
I think the angle isn't "EVIL" its that none of the cosmic powers are good or bad, but just focused on goals that can help or hurt us at times.
Well yeah sure thing buddy, but if anyone is "evil" its the "titans" and not the Void.
They deceived us since dawn of civilization, only cosmic force that bend us to their will and we didnt even know it.
So I do think Titans willl be showed in really bad light.
Exactly lol. Kinda weird to put morality on cosmic beings who probably don't even know what the term is.
Well the void lords are evil in that they want to consume everything and the burning legion is stopping that to the extreme.
The pantheon/titans are getting desperate because they realized Azeroth might become corrupted and the Burning legion may have had a point as messed up as it was.
"I helped kill all the bugs on your world and set it up but I aint your guy, friend."
True but looking from our characters point of view it would be seen as evil
I'm calling it now, Sargeras is coming back and not as the "evil" Titan we fought against. He's coming back pre "corruption" before he became fanatic, prior to the burning legion. We will have to recruit him in order for him to help us fight the titans. you'll see
Imagine Sargeras giving you a quest in which you have to get seeds out of animal poop 💀
@@KackfeeLP Its because they are seeds of Amirdrisil and were gonna plant world trees on more planets in future expansions lol
Definately happening.
Thats what we assumed year ago on speculation channels.
But titans are dead for your knowledge, its a 2 side coin with name of expansion The last titan because we know for a fact Sargeras is last titan since Azeroth is confirmed to be "something more" then titans, and Titans were killed way before legion, what we see in legion is just their constellations with their "will" incarnate
Holy shit what an analysis, truly incredible stuff, groundbreaking!!
"Titans don't really care about their creation" well, you don't have to get too far;Algalon.
They do, but they definitely have a hierarchy of what they care more.
@@jameschristophercirujano6650 Honestly if you stop following their will... they have no use for you :(
Are the constellars a titan creation? Thought they were a race that the titans used cause of their skills
Yes! They’ve always been willing destroy their creations if certain conditions were met. Not a retcon in the least!
when deathwind release that the plan of titans for Azeroth he fall to corruption of the olds god . he understand when azeroth awakes all of the life on planet is doom !!!!!
Titan or Void Lord - my wee gnome death knight persists in a mad quest to call all the gods to account for their meddling with mortals.
Isnt illidan in space somewhere with someone? Sargeras or whoever?
I bet he comes back with that dude as ally and tell us what/why titans are bad... we have that orange star glowing, wasnt there somewhat like "when the star isnt glowing anymore, illidan returns." Cant really remember tho
He's with all the Titans right now, they're just keeping an eye on Sargeras along with Illidan because just leaving him to be jailed by a puny mortal wouldn't be a good idea. They never said specifically what it meant when the star goes out, just that it wouldn't be good.
It's been growing brighter every expansion bar shadowlands, I think the prison will return with Sargeras and Illidan as his acolyte.
The Warcraft 3 RTS manual referred to the Titans as "benevolent". The Titans not being the good guys, or not being good, is a retcon.
I would like to see Elune finally interveening with this ark and protect Azeroth along with its children;
Why do we not think The Last Titan is Sargeras and that is the prison he is in?
first impressions won, now you cant change people minds, they cant unsee it :D
Who said the world soul would turn into a titan? Could it turn into anything else?
Lastly. Why is it a prison. Could it not be a stasis chamber if it stops things from thrashing around while inside. It could be a good prison or medical bed.
@@kennethbennett598Are you saying the Incarnates were put in medical beds and not prisons?
Hope Eonar comes to our side
TLDR: not so fast labeling Titans good or evil, plus unpopular opinion...
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I pretty much think that hating and revolting against the Titans is exactly what the Void, or who the bad guys might be, wants. I believe that people who spread hate towards the Titans are projecting daddy issues, similar to how revolutionary spirit manifests in real life. I could argue for hours on that, but I'll just lay a few points here.
The incident involving Aman'Thul and the world tree has not yet been confirmed as a matter of fact; the account comes from a character's diary, whose words may not necessarily state the truth.
Additionally, Aman'Thul has always been portrayed as the wise one among the Pantheon. Unless it is unequivocally proven otherwise (which it hasn't been, at least not entirely, i.e., that the Titans are evil), or fully demonstrated that we have been lied all along so far, we then must give credit to such words, and take Aman'Thul and his judgements for wise. If he's wise, then he has reasons that the unwise and, further, those who are his mere creations, can't be entirely grasped.
We must also not forget about the First Ones, who are said to be even more powerful or even prior to the Titans, beings the nature of which might even exceed or transcend the cosmological chart. That's stated on a dialogue from Odin, I don't remember exactly the words or the circumstances, since I speak from memory, but it was said something like this, that the mortals could not know about the First Ones and the Titans should keep it a secret from them, because they would not comprehend. And what's so bad about it? Isn't it so in real life? Or who would dare to proclaim to know all the secrets and mysteries about the world, the universe and the afterlife? If there is a God all-powerful and all-knowing, of course creatures of his would never be able to comprehend everything about him, unless he himself revelead it to them. That's some plain logical, simple and common sense stuff.
Moreover, as to Algalon, his role was not to exterminate from Azeroth the whole life, as life, but the life as corrupted, that is to say, zombie-like or already destroyed (what amounts to the same as no-life) by Void or who it could be. I make this distinction, because there had been inception of order corruption, like the own Earthen becoming our Dwarfs. But such an inception does not count as a proper corruption, proving that the very closeness of enaninc culture to the Titans; what else might prove it is also the noctielfic culture, whose very name, the Kaldorei, was given in titan language, meaning "Children of the Stars"; lexical morpheme also composing the very western azerothian land, Kalimdor, which once used to name the whole pangean land before the Well's sundering. And that's why Algalon had never wiped off beings like Humans or even Protodrakes (whose nature is elemental-like).
Everyone against the Titans will never sound sane enough to me. Yet, I do not refuse, but rather recognise, some of their errors and lies, and that can be done (and here comes the actual retcon) because they are not gods, and hence not perfect. I'll be the first one on changing my mind whenever anything be explicitly, openly, officially, evidently and clearly revelead and exposed.
I also hold this opinion because of what Metzen said at the announcement of TWW, that in The Last Titan, the third expansion of the World Soul Saga, "you will uncover a vast conspiracy, one that stretches around the history of the world, one that will challenge everything you think you know about the Titans, their intentions and the true nature of Azeroth itself" (ipsis litteris). Well, we are told about a conspiracy, and that leads me to think on the defeat of them by Sargeras, which has always sounded to me very odd, because, although Sargeras is wholesome powerful, he was then outnumbered by others of his own nature, standing beside them the second one in power, Aggramar; it had never felt right to me. Anyways, as to the things we know concerning the titans, they are refered by the very creator of this entire universe as "things that WE THINK we know", that is to say, both what we know about them before the whole Dragonflight controversy (back when we were inclined to see them as good guys) and after it (as now we're inclined to see them as bad guys). I'm no Nietzschean, nor I propose any sort of beyond good and evil interpretation of the lore, but it seems to me at least that we have not enough reasons to label Titans evil, although not everything points out to some inherent goodness...
The most certain and evident thing all within the lore is that we, as Azeroth children, know very little, there is a lot to uncover, and it seems even a further bit we are forbidden or unable to comprehend.
There is a Pet Battle NPC named "Awakened Custodian" that shares that same sprite. they are also in Dorn.
the titans probably view us the the same way someone who is constantly replacing their roomba, views a roomba
Titans: Are we the Baddies now
imagine you are in your house and your toster out of nowhere became sentient and start talking about toster right and not making toasts. then you are the bad guy because you want to reset it because you want your toast.
Yeah but as we can tell from all the playable races, the titanforged are not exactly tosters.
@Doronsmovies I think the point he was trying to make is why should the creator care that much about its creation? We are taking ourselves too seriously by believing the titans are bad just because they tried to wipe out their creation when it no longer served its purpose, much like you would toss out electronics that no longer work.
@@Doronsmoviesyeah they may not be toasters but they are things created for a purpose. Most businesses stop production on a product not working the way they intend especially if it’s not beneficial for the creator.
All I know in life is bread should be toasted. I make something that’s sole purpose is that. It doesn’t it perfectly for years then just stops one day and starts making apple juice. I like apple juice but I want toast. So I’m wrong because what I made isn’t doing what I made it for…
@@Doronsmovies Tell that to the mechagnomes
Please delete this before AI notices it.. this may yet cause Matrix like scenario..
The Locus-Walker maybe connected to a non-fanatical Void Lord that doesn't see all paths as truth, seeing as someone or something must have trained the Locus-Walker and the Locus-Walker trained Alleria the same way.
Pretty sure it was just a failsafe in case Void forces overwhelmed Tittan forces on Khaz'Algar, like Algalon was supposed to ''reset'' Azeroth, in case of containtement failure..
Aman'thul is a void lord in disguise.
Nah, not competent enough
Hot take: The last titan is going to feature a redeemed Sargeras, who with illidan will stop the evil titans that want to destroy us. Maybe like hit the reset button or some shit and reset the ordering of the cosmos.
Isn't that like turning the story to make Jesus and God were the true evil all along? man, that sucks
It was a cringe cliche in the 90's and they're trying to bring it back now.
if that were the case he would have cleaved the planet immediately. He wants to wake her up before the void reaches her.
I dont believe the titans are gonna be the bad guys in the war within they may have a motive we dont agree with but the void and xalatath are the main threat / villains we are going to face we are going to need the titans intervention/help in the last titan. Mabye a sargeras redemption arc.
I think it’s going to be a royal rumble with all the force taking each other out
I know this won't happen, but imagine Azeroth is corrupted, becomes evil and escapes from its prison, we have to fight it with the titans by our side and we defeat it but in doing so the planet crumbles into pieces so we have to escape to a new world and it marks the start of a new version of the game as Blizzars announces "World of Warcraft 2: a new beginning" and then my father comes back with the milk and tells me he is proud of me
hahaha They need to hire some decent writers because this could either make or break wow if they get this wrong
Destroying obedient beings arent an evil act,,, its just an violent act in order to prevent evil from festering.
Watch the Titans being the original Blizz Devs.
I'm sure that ants think that humans are evil too. In this case "evil" is relative.
Don't think ants are capable of even having thst concept, and that makes all the difference.
I get the feeling a lot of people, whether they defend or are against the Titans forget that they're cosmic beings. Good and evil are just man made concepts, not something a Titan, Eternal One, or Void Lord would really care about. The Eternal Ones weren't against Zovaal because he was evil, but because he disrupted their purpose and goal. If the Titans do become an enemy, it will be because we went against their goal of an ordered cosmos, not because they're evil.
Think of it this way. If I say "Fuck America" then destroy the declaration of independence would it be wrong for the government to now try to imprison me?
Sounds like by the time the trilogy is done we will have to kill (or at least defeat) at least one actual Titan in order to ally with one of the more benevolent titans, thus solving their internal faction conflict for them.
What if the last titan is actually Sargeras? I mean, he is imprisoned isn't he?
Looks like bunch of infernal are gonna rain again :)
They are not evil, they are indifferent.
I've been saying this since we started getting the first reveals on questionable titan acts in Dragonflight, it's like they're cribbing the concept of Order/Chaos from Michael Moorcock's Eternal Champion series. Titans/Voidlords are functioning way above our concepts of good/evil, and too much of order/chaos is generally not a good thing for regular mortals.
Moorcock's Eternal Champions ended with a Golden Means Fallacy that didn't solve anything. Elric became better as he went away from Chaos and towards Order, only to be outmatched and killed by Stormbringer. After death, Elric became the Eternal Champion and did... nothing ,story ended.
This is not happening only in Warcraft. ALL entertainment from games, movies, series have been infected with these type of writers that for the "wow effect" of the audiences they know only to make this trope: Good guys were actually bad guys and viceversa, the bad guys were actually misunderstood and all that. MAYBE in the concept of all cosmical forces and that Titans were not actually the good guys, but were clearly not bad guys either. With how I understand it, they were on the level of fighting the force of Chaos, so they were Order, they never had feelings or align themselves to be good or evil, they just were and tried to do their Order stuff. But to be evil just for the sake of changing the lore and well established universe is bad writting and is happening all over with these new wave writers. Disney is doing right now with their latest show Acolyte, they did it before with Maleficent and Cruella. These new wave writers don't know other things to subvert expectations with the audiences. Only this trope of changing the good guys into bad guys and viceversa.
I honestly believe there is an agenda behind it.
Better warm up the kiju laser again
The moral dilemma of the Titans, Burning Legion and the Void has been a thing since Warcraft. This is nothing new what so ever, and its this that made Illidan, Arthas and Burning Legion such good chapters, because they are neither good or evil.
I like that they are bringing back these dilemmas and hope they are not retconing or dumbing it down too much.
It all makes sense. The Titans represent old straight white men so everything they’ve done must be torn down and replaced. They actually turned Sargeras evil by making fun of him for being gay. The girl
Titan is a lesbian so she’s totally down for betraying the main Titan aman thul. Sylvanas will come back to help Xalatath and it
Will be girl power hour to save the universe.
You were in the woke lore meeting weren't you?
Couldn't just have nice guys, had to be secretly evil, sigh.
But more important
Will the gnomes finaly get a story arc? Or willl ogrimmar get their 4th revamp and raid first?
To Be Fair it is a Titan Construct there not run on free will there machines. And its been shown many times over in warcraft with a little magic any machine can be twisted to do what ever the caster wants. So this Construct may very well be under the influences of someone else.
Bro why would titans care about us? They literally made humans, we are their weapons nothing more.
Not the spolier in the title 😫😫
Orcs were not effected by the curse of flesh they are aliens too azeroth....they originate from Dreanor? so nooo they were not created by the titans?
They indirectly were though. The titan Aggramar created Grond, a massive giant to fight the Evergrowth. From Grond came the Collosals, Gronn, Ogron, Ogres and eventually Orcs.
So yes, Orcs were made by the Titans as well.
Ok bad 😅take from earlirt post sorry, i recognized im just very skeptical about the lore direction. I hope everyone playing the expansion will have fun doing so
no.
Slight disagreement. We aren’t Titan creation any longer... We are the creation of light and void. Gift of flesh. We are essentially Nephalem. Children of angels and demons etc.
Illidian will be turned into the last titan.
Please no. That'd be Sylvanas, I mean Kerrigan becomes a Xel'naga levels of bad.
Attack on Titans
and this shit reminds me of eternals from marvel shit got me weak af like if they dont do what the celestials want they they destroy the planet lmao
Warcraft cosmology reached its peak of stupidity when Blizzard started describing cosmic forces and making them the focal point of the story. For example: "order" should not be a cosmic force but their framework (After all, the word "cosmos" NECESSARILY implies the existence of an overarchibg order). This categorical error creates irresolvable contradictions in the lore: if the titans do not represent cosmic order but rather their own idea of order, they should not be considered part of a cosmic force. And if there is no Order outside them, there is no point in talking about cosmic balance or even value.
Well put, also I think that their experiment about representing titans as villains is stupid....I know there can't be black and white but really? Villains? After 20 years...pfft.
Who defined the Cosmological chart? I know it's in the omniscient narrator view, but we know they're trying to sell it as the Titan narrative.
@@shady1306 Algalon quite literally called us failed experiments the moment he opened his eyes and saw us. The titans tolerate us because we are useful to them, otherwise they'd have glassed Azeroth since their titan constructs objectively failed.
@@jameschristophercirujano6650 If according to Blizzard Chronicle is Titan propaganda, then it is even more stupid, since they did a poor job of hiding their mistakes and representing themselves as the most legitimate force in the universe.
It truly is a shitty lore offered - perhaps originally, perhaps made worse by post-Metzan days, and perhaps this is the best they can offer in replacement fix-it mode. IDK which, but you are right that its actually bad and wholly contradictory. It is what happens when people that aren't writers are forced into such a role.
Ok I've been out of the loop for a minute but haven't we already put down the titans several times throughout the years granted a lot of them were corrupted to some degree but I'm serious getting the vibe of :how many times are we gonna have to teach you this old man: moment and didn't the pantheon watch us literally kick the crap out of sargearas who kicked the crap out of them are they going senile
When did we kick the crap out of Sargeras? I know we kicked his Avatar, but that wasn't him personally - more like a puppet he could posses.
Thanks for the spoilers in that thumbnail ffs
Sargeras did nothing wrong
I've gotta say I hate this idea. I'm so tired of the "really secretly evil all along" cliche. The titans in the past weren't shown as callous, indifferent, or cruel. Now, after Azerothian mortals saved them and allowed them to defeat their rogue brother they're bad? Yeah, I hope not.
Spoiler alert guys. Just saying.
I am not so sure the Titans are the bad guys. They are the creators. When your creation does not do what you created it to do, what is the point of keeping it around. Would you keep a TV that no longer has any sound or picture?
They are sentient beings. Its more along the lines of "would you kill your kid if they stopped acting how you wanted them to?"
@@saulgoodguy1840 Certainly! Here's a more readable version:
It depends on your perspective, but the Titans are not like parents but rather gods. It's similar to how an artist might tear up a drawing they don't like. From the perspective of a Titan, inhabitants of Azeroth are simply creations not fulfilling their intended purpose. Sentience also depends on definition, to the titans, we may not be sentient but just an advanced creation. If AI becomes sentient some day, and it decides to do something contrary to its intended program, I am sure we will erase or reboot the system
@@saulgoodguy1840 Is the kid a serial killer and the parent a police officer?
bro i am so tired of this subversion of expectations freaking storytelling it's so cringe
The devs have succeeded. WoW cosmology is so grey now that it lacks any exciting pigmentation at all.
"The avowed protectors of Azeroth and creators of countless defensive measures intended to preserve life? GOTCHA! THEY'RE ACTUALLY EVIL!"
"Actual genocidal race of walking corpses whose starting zone quests include slaughtering refugees and murdering farmers? Bro i swear they're the real good guys they're just misunderstood."
just a continuation of the subversion of Christianity and truth/goodness in general. The frigging Light is now evil. Wtf?
The WoW devs who came up with that nonsense had a skewed view of morality - most of them were from the Cosby Suite Crew. They're the last people who should be giving ANYONE moral lessons or lectures.
@@snappycenter7863 Like I understand the desire to give depth to factions, but the cosmology should be untouched. Let good be good, and bad be bad. It honestly becomes a little hard to remain immersed when you INVADE HEAVEN AND KILL THE ANGELIC POWERS THAT MANAGE YOUR JUDGEMENT. It gives you too much power. Also, the fixation of making everyone "the playthings of the deities" is a tired trope that i'm sick of seeing. There's just no virtue left besides "le epique indomitable human spirit." There's no mysterious, unseen great power that wants to see you succeed out of the gentleness of its heart, and its sad to me. Just having an order of Paladins be good and a coven of Warlocks be evil is such a rare thing nowadays that honestly its beginning to be an impressive sight in itself when it is so straightforward.
They had a wonderful thing going with the Scarlet Crusade with them being this originally well-meaning group that wanted to reclaim their home, clinging to their hope in the light, later being corrupted into insane zealots from years of isolation and demonic influence (that should honestly have their redemption arc already now that the demon controlling their faction is DEAD SINCE CLASSIC), and the Horde itself is a brilliant faction (besides undead, they can get stuffed) that should honestly go back to the more Garrosh-styled politics of the more-shamanistic class of society pushing for negotiation vs. the Warrior caste demanding revenge and victory the old-fashioned way.
Azeroth itself should be up-sized and have lore locations revisited. AZEROTH should be the focal point of the setting. Draenor/Outland gets a pass because its literally linked by a giant evil portal, but the other places are insane to me, we should feel puny in a massive world, not like we can walk into heaven and murder deities.
This counts as a spoiler, just saying!
The titan lore hasn’t changed all that drastically. It has always been pretty clear they might be baddies.
Stop cursing holiness, you r cool I love watching ur vids but that offends me
Worst accent of English i ever heard how can someone even listen to that😅
man I wish I could understand you, seems like great content but your accent is unintelligible to me
11:57 bro that's not even english. like what the actual fuck, how on earth do you expect anyone to understand that shit without subtitles?
@@MegaPanCakes24-wm9ms Yes, well done. That's 100% the point I'm making.
He's not a native English speaker, his accent is stupidly thick, therefore, when he speaks english faster than a native speaker of english would be and the words he's saying ends up becoming jibberish.
Him slowing his speech down would not only help people understand him in his videos, they wouldn't be relient on a 'slow down' feature on a video which isn't going to help him in real life for example.. is it ?