Everybody remember our God in heaven loves you so don't give up on life as always continue believing in God everyday continue reading the Holy Bible everyday continue praying to God everyday for his help in all your life situations and things will get better for with God help all good things are possible also and a great place for you to start reading in the holy Bible is (Psalms 1) and everyday after that read a chapter in Psalms till you finish all the chapters in Psalms then after that start on (Proverbs 1) then everyday after that read a chapter in Proverbs till you finish all the chapters in Proverbs and after that read every chapter of the Holy Bible until you finish it for it will change your life in the most amazing way
I love this church. I’m surprised that people are only now aware of this. Still don’t change how i feel about the great community and people of saddleback and the amazing services and classes and all around good people. I’ve been to many churches before and they were also not very christ driven. I haven’t had one bad executive here ever. I love this church and very proud to be a member.
There is nothing wrong with a woman preaching. Perhaps Southern Baptist churches need to grow in maturity and accepting love. Do unto others as one would have done unto them.
@@helenbeam7586 The word of God is the living breathing TRUTH that should not be changed or added to. This maturity you speak of is directly against God's living word. Be very very careful. We must believe in every word of God not just the parts that make us feel warm and fuzzy. God is not a liar. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works -John 1:1-4 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. -John 1:14-18 KJV And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. -Hebrews 13:8 KJV 8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
@@Hunt-10101 The overall national trend is against the radical right. Sure, your church where you live might be growing (and I highly doubt it's due to an influx of young, diverse people and is instead driven by older people going), but at the national level, Christianity is in decline.
@@goinggoinggone535 yes you’ll definitely squash out a religion that’s lasted this long, it’ll definitely be YOUR generation that accomplishments what others have failed to do for thousands of years 😆
@@InfinityEightplus This isn't about "squashing" anything. I'm not doing anything whatsoever. Christians are the ones making sure that Christianity declines in America, and if you think it can't happen, look at Canada, Germany, Britain, France, Spain, etc. Countries which used to OVERWHELMINGLY Christian aren't that way anymore. Why? Because Christians there have left religion altogether. Yes, Christianity has survived for thousands of years, yet Christians today are causing people to flee the church due to their own hubris, rage and discrimination. I'm not squashing any religion, but Christians sure are doing a good job squashing their own.
Lol that's right! 1 Timothy 2:11-12 "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."
If I were a woman who attended church as a Southern Baptist, I would leave. The only way to affect change is to deny the church the precious money they greedily fleece from their congregations, which include WOMEN! If you are a woman who continues to support this church, then you are the problem. While we are at it, lets do away with tax exempt status for all churches immediately! Why should I, as a taxpayer, have to subsidize your beliefs?
You cherry-picking, uneducated "christians" are the worst. Look at the spine of your bible. I've got ten bucks it reads "*King James Version*". Let that sink in a minute.
@Johnny Oh, so you’ll follow God’s command about not having women as leaders of a church but you’re not going to follow God’s command about stoning people?
@Johnny Oh, _now_ the Biblical commands must be in the *New* Testament? Moving the goal posts is very Christian of you. Tell me, why are you throwing out half the Bible? And how ardently do you speak out against divorce?
@Johnny You’re now making exceptions for divorce even though the New Testament forbids divorce, but you’re somehow _not_ moving the goalposts. Suuuuuuure
What's wrong is the verse in Timothy is about uneducated wives. This woman is educated in theology and no one should have a hangup about a woman teaching. Women as mothers teach children everyday and that is good. Females were always teachers in schools. I don't think this Timothy verse is meant to keep women from having teaching careers. Jimmy Carter left the Southern Baptist church for its mistreatment of women. I don't think Jesus would permit nor want women to be deprived of teaching. There is no words of Jesus forbidding women preachers. Southern Baptist should be forgiving and allow women preachers. preaching
@Johnny head of the household, but to HEED his wife. God is for equality but limited thinking men, such as you, cannot in mind nor heart be good to women to give respectful equality. Jesus had Mary of Magdalene teach and preach. The only reason her words are not know is the frail fragile ego of men, for which if you look to the news of Russia and China, war is coming. The superior teaching of women can save the world of male inferior teachings which are warlike and suppressive.
Yes because thinking the world came from nothing and non life made all life and that luckily after a period of time when things started producing by way of "it" that they just so happened to develop male and female at the exact same time in all the creatures on earth. Never mind the fact that a catholic came up with your silly big bang theory and Darwin didn't invent evolution until his daughter died and he was angry and quit going to church. You're the one with a story book. I believe in the Holy God outside of time and space who created all things which even atheist historians don't deny Jesus Crist lived because of all the outside evidence. You believe in an unproven theory at least mine is plausible yours collapses on itself with any real thought. Check out Kent Hovind
Please, we are not ignorant of our spiritual enemy's ways. God is not the author of confusion and spiritual division. On the night of the Passover supper our Lord Jesus prayed for unity. God wants us to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. If error tries to win over then it should be dealt with in love and with holy scripture to justify it. God created male and female for a purpose that is explained in scripture. The husband is to be an example of Christ. The wife is to be an example of the Church. The Church is not to rule over Christ! Christ loves the Church so much that He gave His life for her. This is the example. Please, I beg you, understand the example and honor the Lord!
The scripture doesn't say the church is a her. The scripture says the church is the body of Christ. Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.Colossians 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
Now the pastor has way more money to play with and more time to scerew around with teenage congregants. Scandals aplenty in that church just wait and see.
Everybody remember our God in heaven loves you so don't give up on life as always continue believing in God everyday continue reading the Holy Bible everyday continue praying to God everyday for his help in all your life situations and things will get better for with God help all good things are possible also and a great place for you to start reading in the holy Bible is (Psalms 1) and everyday after that read a chapter in Psalms till you finish all the chapters in Psalms then after that start on (Proverbs 1) then everyday after that read a chapter in Proverbs till you finish all the chapters in Proverbs and after that read every chapter of the Holy Bible until you finish it for it will change your life in the most amazing way
I love this church. I’m surprised that people are only now aware of this. Still don’t change how i feel about the great community and people of saddleback and the amazing services and classes and all around good people. I’ve been to many churches before and they were also not very christ driven. I haven’t had one bad executive here ever. I love this church and very proud to be a member.
As a woman if I were to attend church services and a woman was the pastor I would leave.
Same here
Lol why?
There is nothing wrong with a woman preaching. Perhaps Southern Baptist churches need to grow in maturity and accepting love. Do unto others as one would have done unto them.
@@helenbeam7586 The word of God is the living breathing TRUTH that should not be changed or added to. This maturity you speak of is directly against God's living word. Be very very careful. We must believe in every word of God not just the parts that make us feel warm and fuzzy. God is not a liar.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works
-John 1:1-4
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
-John 1:14-18 KJV
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
-Hebrews 13:8 KJV
8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Amen sister
Good job religions. Alienate everyone.
People do it to themselves. Do not follow the world!
Stupid stuff like this is exactly why young Americans want nothing to do with religion.
@@Hunt-10101 The overall national trend is against the radical right. Sure, your church where you live might be growing (and I highly doubt it's due to an influx of young, diverse people and is instead driven by older people going), but at the national level, Christianity is in decline.
@@goinggoinggone535 yes you’ll definitely squash out a religion that’s lasted this long, it’ll definitely be YOUR generation that accomplishments what others have failed to do for thousands of years 😆
@@InfinityEightplus This isn't about "squashing" anything. I'm not doing anything whatsoever. Christians are the ones making sure that Christianity declines in America, and if you think it can't happen, look at Canada, Germany, Britain, France, Spain, etc. Countries which used to OVERWHELMINGLY Christian aren't that way anymore. Why? Because Christians there have left religion altogether. Yes, Christianity has survived for thousands of years, yet Christians today are causing people to flee the church due to their own hubris, rage and discrimination.
I'm not squashing any religion, but Christians sure are doing a good job squashing their own.
Lol that's right! 1 Timothy 2:11-12 "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."
😁 nice
Yet Jesus let Mary of Magdalene be a discipline.
Mary of Magdalene also has a book in the Bible.
@@helenbeam7586 smh prove it. Judith, Ruth, and Esther have books in the Bible. Mary definitely does not.
@@helenbeam7586 Do you mean a "disciple"? Prove it. When did she teach anyone? When did she set up and run a church?
So….. the Bible never says women can’t lead???
If I were a woman who attended church as a Southern Baptist, I would leave. The only way to affect change is to deny the church the precious money they greedily fleece from their congregations, which include WOMEN! If you are a woman who continues to support this church, then you are the problem. While we are at it, lets do away with tax exempt status for all churches immediately! Why should I, as a taxpayer, have to subsidize your beliefs?
Women should not be pastors!! It says clearly in the Bible. Do not twist and change anything in the Bible. They should know better!!!!!
And no divorce either. Surely, you speak out against divorce, right?
Ever heard of Mary of Magdalene chosen to be a disciple to spread the teachings of Jesus BY Jesus?
Women are not breaking one of the 10 commandments, why are so filled with intolerance unforgiving attitude and condemnation? Where is the love?
Im sure theres a DOZEN things the bible tells you not to do, that you willingly do. Rules ofc do not apply to you, yes?
You cherry-picking, uneducated "christians" are the worst. Look at the spine of your bible. I've got ten bucks it reads "*King James Version*". Let that sink in a minute.
We love you Pastor Stacie and Saddleback Church!!!
@Johnny oh man. You must have a bag full of stones waiting to throw at glass houses.
@Johnny Are you really going to pretend that the Bible doesn’t call for people to be stoned to death for various “infractions”?
@Johnny Oh, so you’ll follow God’s command about not having women as leaders of a church but you’re not going to follow God’s command about stoning people?
@Johnny Oh, _now_ the Biblical commands must be in the *New* Testament? Moving the goal posts is very Christian of you. Tell me, why are you throwing out half the Bible? And how ardently do you speak out against divorce?
@Johnny You’re now making exceptions for divorce even though the New Testament forbids divorce, but you’re somehow _not_ moving the goalposts. Suuuuuuure
And this helped who ?
It surely doesn’t help them when they meet God!
What's wrong is the verse in Timothy is about uneducated wives. This woman is educated in theology and no one should have a hangup about a woman teaching. Women as mothers teach children everyday and that is good. Females were always teachers in schools. I don't think this Timothy verse is meant to keep women from having teaching careers. Jimmy Carter left the Southern Baptist church for its mistreatment of women. I don't think Jesus would permit nor want women to be deprived of teaching. There is no words of Jesus forbidding women preachers. Southern Baptist should be forgiving and allow women preachers.
preaching
@Johnny why?
@Johnny the Bible also says when a man rapes he should be killed. That would prevent rapes.
@Johnny that verse concerns women gossiping NOT teaching.
@Johnny head of the household, but to HEED his wife. God is for equality but limited thinking men, such as you, cannot in mind nor heart be good to women to give respectful equality. Jesus had Mary of Magdalene teach and preach. The only reason her words are not know is the frail fragile ego of men, for which if you look to the news of Russia and China, war is coming. The superior teaching of women can save the world of male inferior teachings which are warlike and suppressive.
@Johnny make an ASSUMPTION indeed. Why don't you ask God instead of interpret egotistically?
Story book character and imaginary friends..I outgrew as a kid guess these adult sheeple didnt
I bet you never read a bible.
Yes because thinking the world came from nothing and non life made all life and that luckily after a period of time when things started producing by way of "it" that they just so happened to develop male and female at the exact same time in all the creatures on earth. Never mind the fact that a catholic came up with your silly big bang theory and Darwin didn't invent evolution until his daughter died and he was angry and quit going to church. You're the one with a story book. I believe in the Holy God outside of time and space who created all things which even atheist historians don't deny Jesus Crist lived because of all the outside evidence. You believe in an unproven theory at least mine is plausible yours collapses on itself with any real thought. Check out Kent Hovind
Lol so you believe the big bang, something came from absolutely nothing? That sounds crazy to me.
Crazy
Please, we are not ignorant of our spiritual enemy's ways. God is not the author of confusion and spiritual division. On the night of the Passover supper our Lord Jesus prayed for unity. God wants us to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. If error tries to win over then it should be dealt with in love and with holy scripture to justify it.
God created male and female for a purpose that is explained in scripture. The husband is to be an example of Christ. The wife is to be an example of the Church. The Church is not to rule over Christ! Christ loves the Church so much that He gave His life for her.
This is the example. Please, I beg you, understand the example and honor the Lord!
The scripture doesn't say the church is a her. The scripture says the church is the body of Christ. Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.Colossians 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
They knew this was going to happen. The pastors stool pigeons.
more like con-artists
Now the pastor has way more money to play with and more time to scerew around with teenage congregants. Scandals aplenty in that church just wait and see.