NASCAR Fan Reacts to How Porsche Built a Car Faster Than F1
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If you think 750 hp from a 2L v4 is crazy, you should react to the bmw m12, a 1.5L inline 4cyl F1 engine running on 5.6 bars of boost and producing over 1400 hp in the mid 80's.
What?
How is it possible for a 1.5L to have 1400 hp?
What kind of alien materials and alternate dimension fuel did they use?
@@andregon4366 they actually used engine blocks pulled from cars from the scrapyards, which had done a few 100K miles. "if it's reached that much at 80HP, surely it'll last one lap at 1400HP" they thought. They *abused* those blocks. let them outside in the rain, peed on them, you name it.
of course, the engine rarely lasted over 2 laps, but it didn't need to. they would just be thrown onto the stack and they'd fit a new one in in just 15 minutes.
The fuel they used came close to todays rocket fuel xD
Correct! Back then, the F1 teams also hired chemists to formulate custom fuels for the cars. This practice ended when drivers were being blinded and poisoned by the exhaust.
Ahhh, good old Days, when fuel was cheap and the glorious M10-Engines from BMW ruled the world. Trivia: Did you know they only used old motor blocks which where lying around outside the factory, the older the better, because steel doesn't get worse over time, no it has got better and better. The Fuel came from ESSO: Advertising slogan: Put the tiger into the tank. And sometimes I thought the must have meant real fluffy tiger-babys.
@@andregon4366 they used the most german shit ever. brain.
A unrestricted F1 car would look a bit like a LMP car, cos the first thing the engineers would do is cover the wheels and cockpit.
Yes, kinda like concept f1 Red Bull 2020 XX or something like that was the name of that vehicle
When even racing motorcycles have mudguards.
@@Seb-Storm the X2010 ;)
Adrian newey said the first thing he would take off, would be the mirrors
@@14thtn35 course, they are pointless unless racing other cars..
They retired the car because they wanted to focus more on Formula E series, also the record that this car set was beaten the same year by lewis hamilton in the merc f1, can you imagine what would happen if you take a f1 car and remove the regulations giving it 4wd active aero and more electric power
Wrong it was because of the VW Diesel fraud.
@@michaeld.uchiha9084 yeah sure
And in WEC side itself, the LMP1 class was already dying, leaving toyota being the only factory supported team to race and basically having no competition, which result them to won le mans 3 years in a row. A bit of pale win(s), but it's kind of a revenge win since in 1994 toyota also had no competition on group c class, but get beaten by porsche because they found a loophole on the GT class
The LMP1 program was nearly as costly as an F1 program, but doesn't have the exposure or income for the team.
@@alieffauzanrizky7202 WEC return to be competitive with the hypercar class, Peugeot, Chevrolet, Ferrari...
I would love to see you react to the w11 Mercedes F1 Car (2020) they absolutely nailed the rules. Its probably overall the fastest f1 car ever. If i remember correct Lewis Hamilton and Vallteri Bottas pulled about 7 g in Mugello.
I suspect the Ferrari F2004 on the same tyres would still be faster, but that Mercedes was still incredibly fast.
@@mikeblatzheim2797 is there a lap or a video of the f2004 on slicks? I would love to compare them around spa. Its probably the best track for these two. Long straight lobg fast corners, slow tight corners. And both of them raced there. I think these two would be within half a second, wich is incredible if you consider that one of them is like 16 years older
@@Andy-pb5xh one of the things that made the f2004 so good was they way they worked with the tire supplier. They intentionally made the tires much softer because that pushed them so far ahead they could just do more pitstops
@@mikeblatzheim2797 most likely because otlf the fuel flow limit and extra weight, but yeah I might still believe that.
Current spec is still the most efficient by a long shot I'd say.
@@Hepsewind i didn't know that😄 that is honestly brillant. But it's not possible anymore, cause the tyres are all the same and now since 2022 the rims are the same too. I think it takes a bit of wind out of aero development, but it seems to work.
F1 drivers usually experience 5gs under braking, 2gs under acceleration & 4-6 gs while cornering.
I remember back in September 1965 ford produced a V4 1,663 cc (101.5cu in) and later a 1,996 cc 121.8cu in) engined 4 door salon car which was a great car for it's time , as the small size weight made the engine very popular with Hot Rods as here in the UK our cars aren't that big, except for a few . There's not many left on the road most in collections or museum's.
That same engine is found in SAAB 96 V4
If you are interested in small displacement V engines look at BRM. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Racing_Motors_V16
@@dhrracer Not very interesten in engines, simply a SAAB fanatic =D
I suspect an unleashed F1 car, although very cool, would not make a ton of sense because youre getting to the limit of drivability. They already keep F1 cars in check to make them slowers so that humans can still drive those damn things. An unleashed F1 car would just knock drivers unconcious under braking and in corners.
Have you checked out the Can-Am series from the 70’s and 80’s, including the Porsche 917/30 called the Turbo Panzer. The fastest race car built at the time and maybe still.
Lots of mid 80s onboard footage in the 956,look up Derek Bell 👍
The 919 is fast,but it wouldn't be any good on a rally stage🤷
So you think a 956 could compete on a rally stage? 🤣🤣 Are you thinking of a 959?
@@toolbaggers 😂no, just pointing out that the 919 would be undrivable on a rally stage,and so would the 956.
2030: Porsche builts the first podracer breaking the sound barrier at salt lakes and hunting through the canyons of the world.
You should react to the concept car of the X2010. It is a concept designed by Adrian Newey, one of the greatest F1 designers of all time, when given the assignment of a "no rules car"
The car is so fast, that it would be impossible to drive for a human, due to the sheer amount of acceleration and cornering forces being too intense. When Sebastian Vettel tried it out on the simulator, he broke the Suzuka lap record by 20 seconds on his very first lap
(I think project dream has a video on it)
That's why we love Porsche. Everyone is a Porsche fan even if they say they are not.
I think its more remarkable how Porsche just does this kind of stuff for fun essentially
As mentioned in this video, it's _relatively_ easy to build a car faster than an F1 car, because F1 cars are limited by many rules that actually hamper performance.
F1 cars have insane budgets.
True I would love to see an unrestricted f1 car but it would be so fast the drivers necks would struggle
Wild that the limiting factor at that point is the human.
remember the 2.0 V4 still produces over 700 bhp
NASCAR cars are set up to turn one direction only due to Oval racing circuit, LMP and F1 have to be able to turn well in all directions.
Nico Rosberg at the COTA in hit 6.7g's of deceleration at turn 11
As you love the group B rally cars, Please look at the metro 6R4. Best sounding group B in my opinion
The most funny thing is when the engineer goes over the car and what they changed and at the end is like "ohyeah, and we gave it skirts" 😂 which is like the most impactful thing
The reason they stopped racing with the Porsche 919 was simply the evolution of Porsches overall racing programm. They intended to concentrate more and more on electric racing. So as a consequence they switched from racing in the WEC LMP1 class to racing in Formula E.
At WEC they then concentrated on customers 911 GT-LM. Another reason for the retirement of Porsche 919 and Audi R18 was also financial crisis in VAG (after kat software scandal) which couldn't afford anymore running 2 LMP1 manufacturers.
Nürburgring Nordschleife says WELCOME...come here...we have "Touristenfahrten"
tourist drives
4,5g lateral acceleration, means from side to side 🙂 so in turns
The reason why it was retired is it didn't have any competition anymore and in Porsche fashion the proved what they had to prove and decide to move on to something else.
Interesting title to the clip. However, I ask you to research and look into Australia's own super car the Brabham BT62. Listen to it's sound!!!! and then check out the stats!!! the go back and listen to it's sound again....Now that's a nice sound!! 👍
4:45 Easy way to remember: You sit on a porsch, you drive a porsche :D
Even by the point the 919 retired from endurance, it was fairly clear that the LMP1 ruleset was going to have to change. Costs had spiraled too high with a few big manufacturers out-spending each other, and grid numbers were dropping with only a few manufacturers willing to commit. Toyota ended up dominating the LMP1 world for the last few years and the LMH ruleset coming in now we should hopefully see some new contenders to their throne. Porsche no longer had a point to prove, and wanted to pursue other motorsport ventures.
and yes, a 2.0l v4. smaller and more fuel efficient than most family cars. but obviously, built to a much higher engineering standard than even most racecars, and squeezing every single bit of power out of every bang, and one designed to run at full speed for 24 hours solid and essentially removing all the restricting bits designed to stop it exploding to squeeze even more power out of it.
"Porsche's new 963 LMDh Le Mans car makes debut at Goodwood | Festival of Speed"
@@toolbaggers yeah I saw that pop up just after commenting this, had no idea they were rejoining but im glad they are!
FYI: Scott Mansell has no relation to Nigel Mansell. Maybe somewhere far down the line but they don't have a social/family relation in any significant way.
Absolutely check out VW ID R on Pikes Peak, it's nuts.
Porsche retired their LMP1 programme from the FIA World Endurance Championship to concentrate on the all-electric single-seater Formula E championship. They still have a GT team in the FIA WEC.
Porsche's new 963 LMDh Le Mans car makes debut at Goodwood | Festival of Speed
In memory of Sabine Scmidt
Change in the environment of the 24 and 12 hrs racing history it will change the rules of carracing
Here is the original video from porsche in HD. it actually always looks like it was shot too fast. Just like in the old days of silent movies with Buster Keaton. But it is real and can only be achieved with a world-class driver like Timo Bernhard. He knows the route in his sleep. th-cam.com/video/PQmSUHhP3ug/w-d-xo.html
I think they retired the car because there just was not enough competition in LMP1 after 2017. Audi and Rebellion left LMP1 in 2016 so in 2017 there were only Toyota and Porsche left. I think they wanted to complete the hattrick of winning 3 24 Le Mans races in a row and then left. They also focused more on Formula E.
the LMP1 class lost popularity and its rules are quite outdated. Many manufacturers pulled out, the hugely dominant Audi, and then Porsche too, leaving just Toyota. There is a new replacement hypercar class, with BMW and Porsche entering, which is very similar to LMP1. And the new hypercar class has a lot more entrants coming in 2024 to bring lots of big names you've heard of to the grid.
The sport is evolving.
F1 car with no restrictions would dominate. If they slapped multiple turbos, no fuel restricitons, and engine only needs to last a lap or two....yee fkn haw.
Ford use to make a V4 ages ago (IIRC), even for passenger vehicles. (But I might be having a grey moment)?
Yes, Ford had a V4 in their transit vans in the 1970's,it was a bit of a boat anchor....
And the Ford Corsair around 1964.
Soon dropped. Not a desired motor.
@@MickH60 Yeah that's the one I'm thinking of (rummaging around the bottom draw of my memory). Rough and hard to balance. V4s are a rare and unusual configuration.
VW pikes peak is a sick car
now that's a muscle car
The 919 on the TT course, that would get some views.
If you win LeMans three times in a row the team is allowed to keep the trophy.
They also have felt the hot breath from Toyota in their neck.
dieselgate happen and vag stepped back from motorsports
The new LMH 963 PORCHER, WOW. CHECK IT OUT.
My comment is beyond late lol, but F1 turns can go from 3 gs up to 6 gs so what he was experiencing was nothing compared f1 drivers...Kevin Mag went from f1 to endurance back to f1 so i believe he can push that porsche to its full potential!
Porche retired it beacouse they would concentrate on other series of racing. That is not that uncommen in racing in europe. For instance Porche race in the DTM series, and might have fought to put more focus to that series. By the way, the LMP stands for Le Man Prototype.
Porsche built the best cars on planet earth for sure🥳. Greetings from germany ✌🏽😁
720 HP out of a 2.0L V4 is not that impressive, considering that the inline 4 BMW M12 engine developed 1,400HP in 1986....with a displacement of 1.5L
they retire the car because the racing series of about 5 years is over. they change the rulebook and the old car is not able to race.
The Evo is still slower than the F1 car at Spa, even with the F1 car not having unlimited DRS, the Evo's lap record at Spa was broken by the F1 cars literally just a few months later at that years Belgian grand prix. Let the F1 cars use DRS whenever they want and it will destroy the evo's records everywhere. Im just not that impressed with a race car re-engineered with no rules restrictions.
The 919 was an awesome car .. it more or less continued the other VAG racing effort by Audi with their E-tron series of cars.
As for the Porsche 956 that record was set by Stefan Bellof in 1983 ... ( th-cam.com/video/vHPiiHDZUro/w-d-xo.html ) and it was done during the qualifying sessions for the Nürburgring Nordschliefe 1000 that year. During the qualifying his team mate Derek Bell went around the track with a 35mm cinematography camera onboard his 956 ( th-cam.com/video/L_gbs0ntWsM/w-d-xo.html )
Most 956 cars were eventually upgraded to 962's ... one of those in the hands of Derek Bell went onto win the 1987 Le Mans ... Chris Harris got the chance to drive that exact car at the Porsche development track .. he didn't pass it up ( th-cam.com/video/PZxC-knQmkM/w-d-xo.html )
The real beginning for the 956/962 cars is a series of cars that began with the 917 ... the ultimate version of that was the 917/30 that was run in the CANAM series .... shown here at GFoS ( th-cam.com/video/-HWZaktBuvE/w-d-xo.html )
"As for the Porsche 956 that record was set by Stefan Bellof in 1983 ... ( th-cam.com/video/vHPiiHDZUro/w-d-xo.html ) and it was done during the qualifying sessions for the Nürburgring Nordschliefe 1000"
And i was there 1983 and met Stefan Bellof in the Background. He was a realy nice guy.
As stunning as this car became and as insane as that lap time is, I just can't let go of preferring the previous record that Stefan Beloff set. Just something about that romantic feeling of hustling one of those 956 monsters around the Ring all those years ago. Manual gearbox, off the chart ground effects, turbo lag measured in days, far less sophisticated tyre technology... Beast of a car paired with a beast of a driver !
Agreed. Hardly any driver aids - Beloff was the King. Sadly, that dude was never going to get a pension…
@@Revheadrev if anything technically the 919 would have a hybrid record/ Overall where as the old 956 is generic ICE. Should still hold something in theory, but nothing ... nothing is like an old racecar
Dont be like that, yes its true, beast of a driver, but this one is too, even with aid, controling this monster at that speed is a feat man :)
to be honest it isn´s soo hard to build a car faster than the F1...the F1 is impressive because the engeneers build V6 1.6 litre engines with 1000 hp and highspeed of 220 mph.
In 1986 the BMW F1 engine already had 1500 hp,since that time the FIA reduced the power of the engines constantly.
Every F1 fan cries when he remembers the sound of the old V12 engines.
The times of "faster and faster" are long ago.
The challenge for engeneers is to go new ways and leave old things behind.
The Porsche museum shows thay way impressive.
F1 is fast due to the unlimited budget.
Massive respect to you for not omitting the ending e in Porsche. I know most Americans pronounce it "Porsh" but like you Americans say Nike (Naikee) most Germans did pronounce it "Naik", like in Ike, Mike, sike, bike, ... but it is a brand name and has it's own pronunciation likewise Porsche with a slightly stressed e in the end.
Yes. How hard can it be?
@@elonkuva Obviously it's extremely difficult for some people. 🤣🤣
@Tuokool We call you guys "pouchies" due to kangaroo pouches.
Keep in mind the old record was set on a slightly shorter layout of the track, thats why it stood for decades.
Track length 1983 - 20.832km. Track length for the new records - 20.832km
@@neilbt478 You have to take inflation into account though. 20.832km was way more back then.
@@inamortz2372 it's Putin's fault.
Bridge to gantry times are a separate list
The reason it stood for so long was because that was the last time time Group C era machinery raced on the Nordschlief. After that the endurance regulations changed and they began using the longer 24hr layout(which uses the new GP circuit)
Ian, have a look at the history of the "Porsche 917" back in the 1970s with its 4 litre twin turbo 1,200 BHP (Brake Horse Power) Group C Racer to be gob smacked. The cars were banned because they were such MONSTERS and no one could compete. Try 2.5 G lateral cornering acceleration. acceleration like an AA fuel dragster full on and so fierce the drivers had to have their legs in slings so that their feet would not slide off the pedals (this was old style rear drive. The 917 would give an interesting hurry up to the EVO !! BUT BUT THEN have a look at what (MONSTER !! ON STEROIDS !!!) the guys at the Porsche Works in Zuffenhausen were quietly working on !! My god !!! For the 4 wheeled equivalent to the NASA SATURN 5 ROCKET, the engine a 5 liter flat 16 cylinder (NOT 4 litre !) with a crank so long they took the power off the crank shaft from the middle to eliminate flex and it was to go in one of two Group C prototype chasis with "ALL WHEEL DRIVE !!! You got that Ian ???!! That was back in the 1970s with none of the latest hi tech stuff. Of course the project was cancelled (Damn !!) but you can see the motors and chasis etc at the Porsche Museum !!! Evo is nice but that 5 litre could have produced near 2,000 BHP possibly and it would SMASH the 917 lap records and especially the long Mulsanne Straight in Le Mans !! Sad but man !!!
group c was only started in the 80's. group 6 which the 917 was part of got killed off only because it was never intended to stay beyond 72 anyways. it was a grandfathering ruleset for older cars to compete and fill up the grid more which porsche and ferrari took advantage off nearly bankrupting both of them.
the 917/30 was a group 7 car which used the flat 12 of the 917 with a turbocharger, originally it was intended for a flat 16 without turbo but the turbo option was easier. group 7 killed itself also due to the massive spending.
At Holloman AFB, John Paul Stapp made history aboard the Sonic Wind I rocket sled on December 10, 1954, when he set a land speed record of 632 mph in five seconds, subjecting him to 20 Gs of force during acceleration. Although he had a surplus of volunteers for the dangerous ride, he chose himself for the mission, not wanting to place another in such a potentially hazardous position. When the sled stopped in just 1.4 seconds, Stapp was hit with a force equivalent to 46.2 Gs, more than anyone had yet endured voluntarily. Though he managed half a smile as he was pulled from the sled he was in great pain, and his eyes flooded with blood from the bursting of almost all their capillaries. As Stapp was rushed to the hospital, he worried that one or both of his retinas had detached, leaving him blind. Fortunately, by the next day, he had regained enough of his normal vision to be released by his doctors, though his eyesight would never fully recover.
Hey mate, really enjoying your vids and your enthusiasm for learning as many different disciplines of motor racing you can. Good stuff brother, keep it up!
Oh yeah, Driver61 is founded by Scott Mansell, an actual race driver. He broke quite a few lap records for his class in his career and I think he still holds the Indy track version of Brands Hatch.
The configuration for Brands Hatch for Indy car is a relatively short configuration of the track though, the records for the full track vs the Indy version is around 1 minute for the full track and 30 something for the Indy version.
That record is too specific/niche. I hold the lap record for running around my house.
When I looked it up it was around 1:12 for the full circuit in an F1 car.
5:47 - I've been "nagging" you about hillclimbing because I know you'd react that way to those crazy numbers coming out of 4-cylinder engines. Without being too much of a spoiler, I can tell you that some of the hillclimb 4-cylinder monsters produce more than that. ; )
That Porsche is made from unrestricted rules and the record got beaten by F1 car at the same year. Unrestricted F1 car will be insanely fast compared to this Porsche.
Source for that claim? All i can find is that this porsche has the lap record
@@mikaelsjoberg5024 Normal, unmodified, rules compliant F1 cars are faster. The unofficial all-time track record set during a race weekend is 1:41.252, set by Lewis Hamilton in a Mercedes-AMG F1 W11 EQ Performance, during final qualifying for the 2020 Belgian Grand Prix.
During qualifying for the Belgian Grand Prix on August 25th, 2018, three Formula 1 drivers beat the Porsche 919 Evo lap record at Spa. The fastest of the three, Sebastian Vettel, set a time of 1:41.501 during the second round of qualifying in his Ferrari SF71-H-0.199 seconds faster than the 919's fastest time.
I know you are talking about Nürburgring but F1 doesn't race on that track. Only a team like Red Bull would want to do a publicity stunt like trying to set the Nürburgring record.
@@mikaelsjoberg5024 Formula 1 Car Lap Time Estimation
In 2007, BMW Sauber sent one of their Formula 1 cars around the Nordschleife, however it did not go at full pace. The engineers estimated that their car would do a lap time of 5:15 around the Nordschleife, however no one has driven a Formula 1 car flat out at the Green Hell since 1976, so nobody knows exactly how fast they could go.
Considering the fact that 2021 Formula 1 cars are much faster and produce a lot more downforce, it’s safe to say that they would lap the Nordschleife even faster than that estimation. They could potentially even do it in under 5 minutes!
The Nordschleife is considered to be too dangerous for modern Formula 1 cars, which have outgrown the narrow circuit and have become too fast for the undulating nature of the track. Instead, a new Nürburgring GP track was built in 2002 and has been used for F1 races on and off ever since.
Engine power isn't that impressive when you consider f1 with 1.5 turbocharged engines ended up well over 1000hp back in the 90s
BMW M12 with 5.6 bar of boost pushing 1450 hp back in 86
Recommend you watch videos from Fernando Alonso cracking walnuts with his neck, so much regarding neck training for drivers
Don't forget Porsche have consistently built cars that are quicker than the F1 cars of the time; don't forget the 917LH which for years held the record for the Mulsanne straight at over 230 mph; I think it was capable of close to 240. A derivative of it the 917/30 was definitely capable of 240 mph.
Also those cars were beautiful; modern LMP cars are ugly.
I think you got the g-forces wrong regarding Indycar! Any racing car will easily hit the 2 g mark, from braking alone. I know it's mostly ovals, but on street courses they will reach that for sure. Btw, highest g-force in a racing accident, that was actually survived? Kenny Bräck crashed 2003 in Texas with an Indycar, at 214 g on impact!
You don't even need to throw the whole F1 rule book out. Just get the fuel flow limit out and you would instantly have a 13? 14? maybe 1500hp absolute monster...
Literally if you remove the fuel flow limit and the RPM limit the engines will produce at least a couple more hundred horsepower
It's crazy what they get for HP for a max 1.7kg/min flow rate
first thing the fórmula 1 today has 2 cilinder 1.8 and produt 1000 or more horspawore and has 800 kg
and the pilot has to produce 70k (154,3 pounds) to make a turn if thay dont do that thay Will crash
By the way F1 took the WR in Spa back 1 Year later in the Qualifying
F1 drivers pull up to 5G on a lot of corners. They have to train their neck muscles constantly.
Porsche retired the car to refocus the resources into other areas. They joined FormulaE and increased involvement in GT racing.
Not too surprising. 1969-70 Porsche 917 with a flat 12, boxer, was said to be faster than a F-1, of the day, at certain tracks.
Back in 1983, BMW engines in the Brabham F1 cars had 1500 hp with 1.5 turbos. But this Porsche 919 Evo uses 1100 hp for endurance races from 6 hrs to 24 hrs!
No and nope.
This 1100 hp is for unrestricted version not for endurance one.
That 1500 hp BMW L4 Turbo was an ONE LAP engine for qual. So it is tortured for performance and lasts only one lap.
The cornering forces quoted are similar to those in F1.
Where the 919 Evo beats F1 is in top speed. Those 4 big tyres and barn door rear wing aren't that aerodynamic.
If you find the V4 incredible for power, you should check out the 600hp 3 banger from koenigsegg..
Also, yes, top end aero grip cars have, in many ways, more in common with certain aircraft.
Aero aside, its amazing how much extra pace was gained considering the only engine modification was the removal of the fuel restrictor (& only extra 40hp on the electric motor).
I feel like they added more battery packs too
Also an extra 40hp from electric sounds small, but a 25hp electric anything will do backflips
@@dylanzrim3635 feelings are for women. facts are for men
Porsche jus threw all the rules and threw them in the bin. 919
An unconstricted F1 car would snack the porch tho!
A modern F1 car without any rulebook limitations would probably a 50:50 live-or-die situation for any driver who tries to bring the maximum out of it. Setting lap records with that thing would be be a suicide mission, but hey... your might become a legend! :D
The v4 on its own has 500 kw with high fuel saving rules its crazy +394kw elektro power 🥵
Well if you remove the rules from an F1 car then it will surely be faster on a single lab but what would happen if they had to compete for 24h? That's what people always forget, reliability subtracts speed. An LMP1 is built to work for 24h strait while an F1 car is built to work for 1.5h (it is not 100% true because they are only allowed to use 3 or 4 engines per season but still)
16:25 well, yeah, f1 cars get even more G forces in corners
I don’t know if you are aware of Konnigsegg, but their new 4 seat megacar, the’Gemera’ has the craziest hybrid system in a road car. Also 1700 hp!!
Also there is a great video of Chris Harris giving the 919 a drive. His reaction says everything about that wild machine.
Especially because it makes 600 hp from a 3 cylinder
I think Koenigsegg just set a new record. 0-400kph-0 and 0-250mph-0. I can't remember the time put it's a new world record for a production car.
Hope you and your family are doing well Ian. Much love from Australia 🙏
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I don't know for sure, if that's why Porsche chose a V4 engine, but 90°-V4 with 90°-270°-90°-270° ignition timing is supposed to get torque better down (or rather: don't overstrain the tires by giving them that small amount of extra-time between the firing of its cylinders) because of its uneven firing order. That's also why quite a few race bikes use V-configurations, and the Yamaha R1 has an inline four with a crossplane crank (270° - 180° - 90° - 180° ignition).
It happens (car is decommissioned) because most of these cars are test beds for new tech that will eventually land on road cars.
Maybe we'll be seeing some VW/Audi with V4 bangers in the future.
The thing now, as it is in F1, is using e-fuel (full synthetic gasoline), made via electrolysis of Carbon Dioxide, paired with Hidrogen to create new benzene and gasoline molecules, which are all Carbon and Hidrogen combinations with the main molecule being benzine. Meaning that cars using this e-fuel can produce their own fuel via Carbon Dioxide which will be captured again and re-processed at a facility later on. The CO2 emmissions will drop significantly and it is told to be the last nail in the Electric Car coffin.
The only culprit here is the electricity needed to generate more e-fuel due to the Carbon and Hidrogen needed to be removed from CO2 and H2O respectively vie electrolysis.
Very informative thanks Ian, enjoyed the video very much and learned from your point of view also, cheers 🍻👍.
1.41.252 Merc AMG F1 during the 2020gp Qualifying.
There is a crazy side by side comparison video, interesting how the Evo dominates sector 1 and 3, but the F1 is a beast in the middle sector
Funny thing is, if they make an F1 car without rules, it would still look like the 919 Evo. The open wheels add to drag but they need to be kept that way due to the rules, so if you take away the rules the F1 wheels while be covered like an LMP car.
And an LMP car without rules would be a single seater. Porsche didn't change the "2 seat" layout of the 919 due to not wanting to redesign a new car but just modifying an existing car and changing a car to central single seat would required a complete redesign of the chassis.
To say it is faster than and F1 car is not quite right. No F1 car has set a lap record at the ring. If we go back to 2017 when the Porsche last raced and look at its quali time in say Mexico it did a lap at 1:24.562 Sebastian Vettel set a quali laptime of 1:16.488 in a Ferrari.
Porsche used another incredible Hybrid-System in the 911 GT3 R Hybrid. It was a flywheel on the passengers seat charged by 2 front-electric-engines which worked as a generator while breaking. The power accelerated the flywheel up to 40000 rpm. This rotating energy can be used for acceleration for the 2-front-electric-engines. So for some seconds the 911 has 4WD. The power output was about 200 PS. 488 PS from the 6Ender-Boxer + 200 PS Hybrid.
Loved the 919 Nurburgring video so watched this one - also enjoyed it tremendously! I can see myself working through a bunch more of your videos - so of course subscribed - thanks! 🤩😎
The unofficial all-time track record set during a race weekend is 1:41.252, set by Lewis Hamilton in a Mercedes-AMG F1 W11 EQ Performance, during final qualifying for the 2020 Belgian Grand Prix. The official lap record for the current circuit layout is 1:46.286, set by Valtteri Bottas during the 2018 Belgian Grand Prix. Both were fully legal and rules compliant F1 cars.
The 919 Evo ran a 1:41.7.
I mean you heard jani in the video, he isn't used to that much downforce and grip, the 919 could easily go at least a second faster if they put more time into it and had him train his neck over more than just 2 months like f1 drivers do
@@houseking9211 F1 is restricted in many ways. So if you say "if" I will say too.
@@bestopinion9257 it's a completely different way from lmp1, with an f1 car the dimensions of everything is super limited, and the cars are designed as light as possible because minimum weight is so low, the only thing they realistically would improved very much is allowing the engine to kill itself to get more power out of it, that's about it. unrestriced lmp1 has a much higher impact in preformance than f1, it's a formula, if you want the cars to be faster you need to redesign the whole thing.
great examples btw
@@bestopinion9257 F1 doesn't have more regulations than a lemans lmp1 car first of all the engine and chassis is same with 919 which made for working stable for 24 hours that's alone above any F1 regulations and still manages to be faster than most of the F1 cars
@@vr5lover It is a LM car but unrestricted and pushed to the limits becoming an ONE LAP car. And so was on pair with F1 cars that use 4 engines per season and every wing and little thing like fuel consumption, RPM and so on is restricted.
"Faster than most F1 cars" is misleading. By how much? 0.5 s? 1s? Make an unrestricted F1 car, make it for one lap and will gain in performance many seconds as 919 did.
"Porsche ended the 919 Hybrid programme to concentrate on the all-electric single-seater Formula E championship in the 2019-20 season but increased its commitment to its global GT programmes"
Wikipedia....
Is Porsche trying to go all out EV??
F1's pull 4-5 g around fast corners. It's considered normal there though. :)
There are also defuser system UNDER the car. The main reason of it's down force. That's why the pilot is sitting with his legs up. They needed that space. You can see it in one of JP Performance videos. The record driver shows it in that video. Sadly I don't know the name of the video anymore. But I guess searching for "JP Performance Porsche 919 Evo" will do the job.
Yep, it's outside the rules, just to get the fast time. But specials have always done that
Heh, the Benetton B186 F1 car back in 1986 was capable of 1400 bhp, just from it's 1.5 litre engine!!!!!!! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benetton_B186
And here's some G force readouts from 2019, 2022 cars are likely to exceed this.
th-cam.com/video/q-yBQY-RlVI/w-d-xo.html
If you want to watch a great video on the Porsche 956 you should check out Chris Harris video on it where he also interviews one of the engineers who build that thing.
Why did Porsche retire the 919? - "Porsche's new 963 LMDh Le Mans car makes debut at Goodwood | Festival of Speed." The new 963 makes the 919 look like a fat pig.
So hard to listen to him... Porsch Porsch Porsch... it's Porsche 🤦🏼♂️
Another Driver61 video for you Ian - about Porsche 917 development th-cam.com/video/-TS7qF_cRao/w-d-xo.html
I'm old enough to be when 100hp out of a 1,000cc motor was thought of as high performance.
720hp from a 2,000cc V4 isn't something that was even considered possible. 360hp/1,000cc? Over 3 times better. A 360% percent increase. Holy crap.