The etiquette in this game is world class. Helping your opponent remember rules and buffs, sincere apologies for forgetting things etc. I really felt the both of you were trying to get to the bottom of what army wins the battle, rather than beating each other. It's really fun to watch.
I'm gonna comment on this video because it was a pleasure to watch the two of you throw down like proper gents. You two were exemplars of the game - thank you ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
A little note about Oath of Moment and Guilliman's ability - they both are used in your own command phase, not at the start of the battle round. While it did not make a difference in this particular situation, if you are going second, it means you won't have either active during your opponent's first turn.
1:34:30 "I don't think Tiberius can fight because he's not in base to base contact through the wall" - It's hard to tell from the camera, but just wanted to remind you that you can fight if you're base to base OR within engagement range of 1 inch.
At around 2:22:10 - the Lord would still benefit from all the ongoing effects. The Rules Commentary clarified that once a bodyguard unit gets "split up" by either the bodyguard or all characters being destroyed, any ongoing effects on the now remaining models continue to affect them. This can be seen under the "persisting effects" point on page 10 of the pdf.
Just started to watch and I am glad to see the Chaos list. Hope it ends well. I think ithis is his list from when he was talking about what he liked. I'm excited to see.
I think the best way to use the terminators (if you dont run abbadon) is to have a Sorcerer in terminator armor lead them, make them tzeetch and give the sorcerer the Tzeetch enhancement to get a CP back when you dark pact. Keep them at range and shoot with lethal hits. Without Abbadon to make them an absolute menace you can use Chosen lead by a MoE as your beatstick unit instead. The sorcerers new ability is crazy good. Not "full rerolls" good but abbadon is a lot of points and ive seen him killed in 1 turn so
Dunno if it was mentioned, but you can’t do DBL Oath of Moment AND free stratagem with Guilliman, as he has to chose ONE of his three stuff for your battle round. If you choose dbl oath of moment, then you can’t have the others until your next command phase
so the chaos obfuscation x nurgle strat that gives stealth + blocks being shot at 12"... when i saw it played elsewhere, they said the the 12" nurgle extra only applied to any additional shooting that came after the orginal shooting unit had opened up.. so you'd only get -1 to hit on the first unit to shoot at you, and then any other unit wanting to would have to be inside 12"... is that right? or do you play it like the guys did here - with 12" kicking in straight away to block the shot
I saw a similar game that was almost certainly played before the designer's commentary came out. Page 5, Eligible Target (no longer eligible) has it that they select new targets.
Aeldari don't need their Fate Dice mechanic changing. Points need to be looked at first. There are some incredibly cheap units - Wraithknight, Support Platforms and Fireprism's. These need increasing by 25-35%, at least. Possibly more. It's the ability to have these incredibly powerful units AND a huge army to back them up. Take that crutch away. It's much cleaner to change points before rules.
Nah man 15 fate dice before the game begins? Thats about 2000% more effective than Sister's Faith Dice and that's supposed to be their game. And being able to use fate dice for rediculous mortal output is wrong.
@@mcampbell1124 Sisters generate way more over the course of a game. I play both factions. Also, 15 is with taking Eldrad. He isn't in every list. Points to start with is the cleaner option. Give us less units to put on the table. Less firepower and units to play the objective. That makes FD make sense too. We shouldn't have 360 point Wraithknights...
This whole third party app thing is so ridiculous. I know your partnered with GW, but they don't own you. you can talk about apps and other hobby topics like everyone else does. and if you can't you should end your partnership immediately. Let's leave the censorious distopian theme to the tabletop only, and not general conversation.
We don't actually have any issues with third party apps! Even on our 9th edition course we discussed Battlescribe! Chris was making a joke. Sorry, I mean, all Hail James Workshop!!!
@@michaelcostello6962they are finally successfully pulling in enough views to be a successful business and are sponsored by essentially the heart and soul of 40k like it or not, they have done it! And we complain instantly... Blame sponsorship based TH-cam algorithms and cheer on the fact they are making a living wage on Warhammer 40k that's so freaking wonderful.
27:05 NOPE, named chapter characters are shit now. Every unique item and piece of fluff with rules on were removed. Sal characters for example, no more special mantle, no more special hammer. Its just standard melee weapon B and no wargear to speak of. Next!
Adrax' Problem is not his hammer - that's actually a fairly decent profile. The main issue for many characters is that their selection for units they can lead is seriously lacking. Staying to the Adrax example, his abilities both make it clear that he is supposed to engage enemies on objectives in melee. Yet the only melee focused unit he can join are assault intercessors... who already re-roll all wounds against enemies on objectives. Kor'sarro Khan gives Assault and Lance to units he joins. Almost every unit he can join already has assault weapons and again the only melee focused unit he can join are assault intercessors. It's like they forgot that Bladeguard Vets exist for a lot of these characters.
@@Narokh Yes that too but previously some of these HQs were fun with special fluff rules, that hammer was truly unique. By removing all tweaking and options from units, outright ruining some like vanguard, wulfen etc where a sword is the same as a hammer etc they decided to make tweaking a squad leader option instead. The reason for this seems to be some retarded decision to simplify the game for mentally handicapped 8 year olds.
@@Pyriel2 The hammer wasn't really that unique to be honest, just a hammer with a slightly improved profile (1 AP and Damage better than a regular one). The new rules are a similarly improved power fist profile (+2S and +1 Damage), so not really more or less unique than it was before.
@@Pyriel2 And it used to be exactly the same as as storm shield just with a different look, nothing too original there. Now it's probably the reason for his 6+ fnp. And I would argue that his hunter of lost relics rule is pretty much the truest to fluff he's been in a long time.
The etiquette in this game is world class. Helping your opponent remember rules and buffs, sincere apologies for forgetting things etc. I really felt the both of you were trying to get to the bottom of what army wins the battle, rather than beating each other. It's really fun to watch.
Yep. Good stuff.
It is great that professionalism and fair play are an important factor in your matches!
For someone like myself and my son just starting out this channel is the best one hands down to learn. Thanks guys keep it up
I'm gonna comment on this video because it was a pleasure to watch the two of you throw down like proper gents. You two were exemplars of the game - thank you ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
A little note about Oath of Moment and Guilliman's ability - they both are used in your own command phase, not at the start of the battle round. While it did not make a difference in this particular situation, if you are going second, it means you won't have either active during your opponent's first turn.
The pacing in this game was very different than what I usually see. A ton of shooting and back and forth. Great show
1:34:30 "I don't think Tiberius can fight because he's not in base to base contact through the wall" - It's hard to tell from the camera, but just wanted to remind you that you can fight if you're base to base OR within engagement range of 1 inch.
Ooh! I think this would have came up in my game yesterday!
At around 2:22:10 - the Lord would still benefit from all the ongoing effects. The Rules Commentary clarified that once a bodyguard unit gets "split up" by either the bodyguard or all characters being destroyed, any ongoing effects on the now remaining models continue to affect them.
This can be seen under the "persisting effects" point on page 10 of the pdf.
Awesome thanks for this! Had a feeling that was the case!! Luckily he waded into those Aggressors like a beast anyway!
Just started to watch and I am glad to see the Chaos list. Hope it ends well. I think ithis is his list from when he was talking about what he liked. I'm excited to see.
I think the best way to use the terminators (if you dont run abbadon) is to have a Sorcerer in terminator armor lead them, make them tzeetch and give the sorcerer the Tzeetch enhancement to get a CP back when you dark pact. Keep them at range and shoot with lethal hits. Without Abbadon to make them an absolute menace you can use Chosen lead by a MoE as your beatstick unit instead. The sorcerers new ability is crazy good. Not "full rerolls" good but abbadon is a lot of points and ive seen him killed in 1 turn so
Dunno if it was mentioned, but you can’t do DBL Oath of Moment AND free stratagem with Guilliman, as he has to chose ONE of his three stuff for your battle round. If you choose dbl oath of moment, then you can’t have the others until your next command phase
That Night Lords . . . Lord, looks utterly grand!
Ave Dominus Nox! Well played to both sides
so the chaos obfuscation x nurgle strat that gives stealth + blocks being shot at 12"... when i saw it played elsewhere, they said the the 12" nurgle extra only applied to any additional shooting that came after the orginal shooting unit had opened up.. so you'd only get -1 to hit on the first unit to shoot at you, and then any other unit wanting to would have to be inside 12"... is that right? or do you play it like the guys did here - with 12" kicking in straight away to block the shot
I saw a similar game that was almost certainly played before the designer's commentary came out. Page 5, Eligible Target (no longer eligible) has it that they select new targets.
Why do you use three tactical missions? Isn't it only two?
Where are these missions explained?
comment for the comment god, algorithm for the algorithm throne.
Taking notes ☝️
I'm digging the bell go the ultramarines ❤
C O M M E N T
If the DP kills the Biologis at the end, then CSM gets an auto win regardless VPs, as then the SM would be wiped off the board, innit?
There was also a Thunderfire Cannon!
Aeldari don't need their Fate Dice mechanic changing. Points need to be looked at first. There are some incredibly cheap units - Wraithknight, Support Platforms and Fireprism's. These need increasing by 25-35%, at least. Possibly more. It's the ability to have these incredibly powerful units AND a huge army to back them up. Take that crutch away.
It's much cleaner to change points before rules.
Nah man 15 fate dice before the game begins? Thats about 2000% more effective than Sister's Faith Dice and that's supposed to be their game. And being able to use fate dice for rediculous mortal output is wrong.
@@mcampbell1124 Sisters generate way more over the course of a game. I play both factions. Also, 15 is with taking Eldrad. He isn't in every list.
Points to start with is the cleaner option. Give us less units to put on the table. Less firepower and units to play the objective. That makes FD make sense too. We shouldn't have 360 point Wraithknights...
This whole third party app thing is so ridiculous. I know your partnered with GW, but they don't own you. you can talk about apps and other hobby topics like everyone else does. and if you can't you should end your partnership immediately. Let's leave the censorious distopian theme to the tabletop only, and not general conversation.
We don't actually have any issues with third party apps! Even on our 9th edition course we discussed Battlescribe!
Chris was making a joke.
Sorry, I mean, all Hail James Workshop!!!
in that case sorry my bad, I totally misread the tone 😅
No worries 😅
@@michaelcostello6962they are finally successfully pulling in enough views to be a successful business and are sponsored by essentially the heart and soul of 40k like it or not, they have done it! And we complain instantly... Blame sponsorship based TH-cam algorithms and cheer on the fact they are making a living wage on Warhammer 40k that's so freaking wonderful.
My bad I didn't see the apology and what not, it's all love (and brutal space war) here love the content so much
The app is meh, you can't even edit your army name..i love you guys but don't shill for gw
27:05 NOPE, named chapter characters are shit now. Every unique item and piece of fluff with rules on were removed. Sal characters for example, no more special mantle, no more special hammer. Its just standard melee weapon B and no wargear to speak of. Next!
Adrax' Problem is not his hammer - that's actually a fairly decent profile. The main issue for many characters is that their selection for units they can lead is seriously lacking. Staying to the Adrax example, his abilities both make it clear that he is supposed to engage enemies on objectives in melee. Yet the only melee focused unit he can join are assault intercessors... who already re-roll all wounds against enemies on objectives.
Kor'sarro Khan gives Assault and Lance to units he joins. Almost every unit he can join already has assault weapons and again the only melee focused unit he can join are assault intercessors.
It's like they forgot that Bladeguard Vets exist for a lot of these characters.
@@Narokh Yes that too but previously some of these HQs were fun with special fluff rules, that hammer was truly unique.
By removing all tweaking and options from units, outright ruining some like vanguard, wulfen etc where a sword is the same as a hammer etc they decided to make tweaking a squad leader option instead.
The reason for this seems to be some retarded decision to simplify the game for mentally handicapped 8 year olds.
@@Pyriel2 The hammer wasn't really that unique to be honest, just a hammer with a slightly improved profile (1 AP and Damage better than a regular one). The new rules are a similarly improved power fist profile (+2S and +1 Damage), so not really more or less unique than it was before.
@@Narokh mantle!
good, useful, FLUFFY!
@@Pyriel2 And it used to be exactly the same as as storm shield just with a different look, nothing too original there. Now it's probably the reason for his 6+ fnp. And I would argue that his hunter of lost relics rule is pretty much the truest to fluff he's been in a long time.