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That, or they're basically using the remains of a powerful being as a catalyst of some sort, given how Descenders basically has innate compatibility to the elements much like Dragons do.
Maybe its just like what Jacob tried to do to revive Elynas in the world quest, bringing forth a powerful beast that can destroy the heavenly principles
So... in summary, 3rd decender offed themself or got offed by someone else, then celestia was like wow dis person ashes is amazing lets make chess pieces and shove it inside these folks(archons).
Crazy guess.. but what if the third descender is the sibling.. unless being compatible with all 7 elements is a universal trait that all descenders share.. The remains, basically parts of the body being extremely compatible to elements seems like it could exclusively be a sibling/twin thing… Not to mention the fact that the current sibling we know in the story isn’t counted as a descender but a person from teyvat by the irminsul… another guess but what if they died and were reborn into this world using it’s components.
The only reason I doubt this theory is that there is memory of the sibling within Irmunsul, thus making them part of Teyvat according to the Sumeru storyline. It would be inconsistent to count the twin as a descender then. That said, it is a very interesting take and I can see why you would think of it. Always fun seeing the different takes.
@@julieannefowler5768 For me though, this strengthens the theory, if you connect this with another theory that the abyss twin already died and reincarnated as a Khaenri'an. This is assuming that all life in teyvat, including the ones not from teyvat (descenders), will go back to the leylines (except for the ones cursed by heavenly principles to not go back there) and reincarnate like Neuvillette did. The problem is, where would the traveler fit in all of this? What I could speculate that the abyss sibling, as a Khaenrian prince/ss, remembering the traveler, tried to summon/find the traveler who was sleeping and was happy that they reunited, and somewhere along the way Khaenriah found forbidden knowledge and tried to use it (much to Pierro's warnings), the heavenly principles was angered and they and the archons have to deal with the abyss, and the twins tried to ran away but the sustainer caught up on them and caught the guilty twin who was probably heavily responsible for all those mess (based on Clothar's expression on finding the twin's identity), twin tries to find traveler again, and something happened to him/her along the way, on which s/he found the truth of the world and about themselves, which made him/her angry at the heavenly principles, cut ties with Dainsleif in the process, but their fate was obscured for some reason. But that's just my speculation, a game speculation.
This recontextualizes Scaramoosh suffering when the Electro Gnosis was originally placed in him. He could have been feeling a portion of the anguish and negative emotions of the dead 3rd Descender.
So the gnosis are not from the sovereigns? This archon quest gave lot of information like Nahida but at the same time makes things mroe confusing. Such is knowledge, the more you know, the more you realize that there are even more things u dont understand
Basically the Primordial one stole the power of the dragon sovereigns and stored it away and 400 years later he created humans, thousands of years later and right before the archon war, a third descender arrived and was killed (cause of death unknown) then the Primordial one used the third'a corpse to create the gnosis and placed the power that was stolen from the dragon sovereigns in the gnosises, and then had the many gods that romaed the land at the time to fight for them, in the end 8 gods won the war (Mikoto won alongside her twin sister Ei), and Seven gods were given the seven elemental gnosises becoming archons with Ei working as the shadow of her archon sister.
@diaochan7506 First of all: That's a 1 year old comment and second of all, we do know from neuvilete's charchter stories that the first and second descender made the gnosis together.
Not only did the archons commited genocide that led to people being turn to the abyss order but now the pieces that have inside them are the remains of past traveler like us!? Oh this is not a nice road for our character.
@@haissaig7137some yes, but I do agree that khaenriah was corrupted from withtin and many ..many good khaenriah people willing to die protecting Tevyat from which they never saw nor feel the air
3:00 "Wait, i have a disciple of my own , don't i?" Yeah the one you just toss him into a portal with the whale like a garbage. Did she forget she had a disciple no wonder she toss him like a sack of potato like "time toss my master pet and this other thing with it" 😅😅😅😅 Furthermore the one that Neuvilette once k.o. in the Court and will surely want a rematch now Neuvilette had regain the power of the dragon. Unless he too also forget him like " Who" "The one you were able to one hit k.o. that time" "Sorry i can't remember?/ Sorry i had k.o. pretty much lot of people so be more specific?" This will make a conversation of two people who forgot about childe.
So the tsaritsa is after the 3rd decenders remains not the gnosis power since the gnosis still had worth even when neuvillete got back his powers from it. Also it seems the name rinhedotter has been given to more than 1 person
She only used rhinedottir and vedrfornil's names as refference for the traveler to understand that her master (surtalogi) are as strong or famous as those two names are
If the Heavenly Principles created the Seven Archons using the powers taken from the Primordial Dragons, and the Gnosis are created from the remains of the 3rd person to have entered Teyvat, is it possible Celestia and even the Heavenly Principles are the 1st and 2nd Descenders? Skirk reveals having the Gnosis brings about misfortune for those who possess it and that extends to any around them. Makes you wonder what Tsaritsa plans to do with them aside from potentially opening a gateway to Celestia. The Heavenly Principles punished Egeria for creating life and playing god and thus sentenced them to damnation leading Focalors to fundamentally dismantling the Seven, so I am not surprised Tsaritsa intends to use the Gnosis to destroy Celestia herself. By the end of this series, I wouldn't be surprised if the Traveler not only has to face their sibling and the Abyss Order they lead, but also destroy the Heavenly Principles.
My theory is that the tsartisa's goals for the 7 gnosis is to ressurect the 3rd descender. The Mecha experiment by Dottore proven to be successful to harness a Gnosis power so with that breakthrough, they able to create another more powerful mecha to harness 7 gnosis and serve as a vessel for the 3rd descender to inhabit.
I wonder if Skirk will be playable~ Because she says for herself she will never want to go on the surface but that doesnt mean that this is the importend factor that this will not happen. With her reveal, the mention that she has an master and all of the infos we got and what she says in general could mean that we will see her again surely and maybe her master. also she gets then playable because her model looks playable for me. So i would say we will need to wait what the future will bring because It seems also that she has powers that are not from tevyat. like she says "Powers beyond this world". maybe we will get a new element
Her design alone is clue enough that she's not gonna be playable. How are they gonna make that design into a playable model, with all the articles on her. She'd need to change to a more simplified form/design first.
Apparently they aren’t, which is super odd. I was wondering the same thing, even started thinking that the 3rd descender was the the sibling which would really suck considering all went through. I know we’ve seen the sibling before, but main times we do are in strange places where could have just been an illusion. Like the caribert quest
deym Paimon looks like she remember things and outta nowhere blurt it out innocently to help the taveler, not some forgetful duumb food thingie if u ask me looks like Paimon is a good at acting like she has Alzheimers...sus
No it doesn’t feel like an act, everything about Paimon seems and feels genuine. It’s either she doesn’t know or remember who or what she is or she’s just hiding it but not so much as deceiving us in a bad way
are there any other chapters left? if not, i would like to expect a second story quest for Childe where he gives us the information about the Third Descender.
Probably will see him in snehznaya and neuvilette will come and tsaritsa will try and use the gnosis to give back all of the dragons their authority’s back
A Descender can use multiple elements without a Vision. An Archon and Sovereign only use element of their respective authority. And Gnosis are the remains of Descender's cursed power. Could it be Third Descender that brought Abyss and Forbidden Knowledge to Teyvat 500 years ago? And could Traveler be the only key to stop it since he is immune to Abyssal curse?
I wonder… the Tsarista is the Archon of Love, right? What if she’s collecting the pieces of her past beloved to bring them back, or at least accomplish what they wanted before all hell broke loose?
The only problem with that theory is that the game has constantly mentioned how the Tsaritsa has turned against Celestia is starting her own war against it. She lost her “Love” during the cataclysm when multiple Archons died. The only thing we don’t know is the exact reason she is rebelling against Celestia.
So they handed over their gnosis so they wont turn into a catastrophe when they die or so they can wake the heavenly principles to fight since the tsaritsa is probably related to khaenriah thats why she cut ties with all archons after the destruction
@@jamesvales9512 celesta created the gnosis out of the 3rds remains and then stored the power of the seven sovereign in them then gave it to the archons
Ok so here is a theory:- The third descender died and caused the incident of khanreah 500 years. The bonds he had to the world turned into curses and devoured the nation. Later his remains were used by Celestia to create catalysts called Gnosis. I believe it is forshadowing the death of our sibling in the future archon quests. Our sibling now has a bond with the world (fate is connected) and is trying to deceive their fate just like Focalore did. Thus they will die and their bond to the world will be severed. Our sibling's death will destroy monstand and the war against celestia will begin (the door to celestia lies at the feet of Venti's statue).
I dont care about gnosis anymore... What i care most right now is... Skirk mommy pls step on me... begging hard... Mihuyo, my card is ready for you... Hahaha
If the hydro gnosis is the remains of a descender does that mean the traveler is technically a gnosis? Does that mean every descender is a traveler? Call this a crack theory of sorts but what if every gnosis is just a failed time loop of iteration of the traveler(s)
I think 3rd descender, and most probably the traveler (4th descender) is a special case as their body is capable of storing elemental energy. 1st descender is probably primordial one and 2nd descender is the second who came who war with the 1st descender
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So basically the Harbingers are collecting the Gnoses in order to awaken the Third Descender.
Not only that, the gnosis itself has its own kind of power separate from the authority of the dragon sovereigns.
That, or they're basically using the remains of a powerful being as a catalyst of some sort, given how Descenders basically has innate compatibility to the elements much like Dragons do.
Interesting theory
Maybe its just like what Jacob tried to do to revive Elynas in the world quest, bringing forth a powerful beast that can destroy the heavenly principles
@Aravestia, yeah, I've always thought what happens when you combine all 7 gnosis it that the 8th element
Childe better deliver that information soon. Tho it will likely come with more mysteries.
Pretty sure that Pierro and Tsaritsa knows muuuch more already.
@@Cinbri Yeah, but only childe was entrusted with information from Skirk.
I think we will get that in info in the extra archon quest like the wanderer one
So... in summary, 3rd decender offed themself or got offed by someone else, then celestia was like wow dis person ashes is amazing lets make chess pieces and shove it inside these folks(archons).
Crazy guess.. but what if the third descender is the sibling.. unless being compatible with all 7 elements is a universal trait that all descenders share.. The remains, basically parts of the body being extremely compatible to elements seems like it could exclusively be a sibling/twin thing… Not to mention the fact that the current sibling we know in the story isn’t counted as a descender but a person from teyvat by the irminsul… another guess but what if they died and were reborn into this world using it’s components.
The only reason I doubt this theory is that there is memory of the sibling within Irmunsul, thus making them part of Teyvat according to the Sumeru storyline. It would be inconsistent to count the twin as a descender then. That said, it is a very interesting take and I can see why you would think of it. Always fun seeing the different takes.
YESSS!!! THIS is what I've been thinking too ❤
But gnoses exists times ago before Archon war, the twins traveled to Teyvat must be around between Archon war and Khaenriah's destruction.
@@julieannefowler5768 For me though, this strengthens the theory, if you connect this with another theory that the abyss twin already died and reincarnated as a Khaenri'an. This is assuming that all life in teyvat, including the ones not from teyvat (descenders), will go back to the leylines (except for the ones cursed by heavenly principles to not go back there) and reincarnate like Neuvillette did. The problem is, where would the traveler fit in all of this?
What I could speculate that the abyss sibling, as a Khaenrian prince/ss, remembering the traveler, tried to summon/find the traveler who was sleeping and was happy that they reunited, and somewhere along the way Khaenriah found forbidden knowledge and tried to use it (much to Pierro's warnings), the heavenly principles was angered and they and the archons have to deal with the abyss, and the twins tried to ran away but the sustainer caught up on them and caught the guilty twin who was probably heavily responsible for all those mess (based on Clothar's expression on finding the twin's identity), twin tries to find traveler again, and something happened to him/her along the way, on which s/he found the truth of the world and about themselves, which made him/her angry at the heavenly principles, cut ties with Dainsleif in the process, but their fate was obscured for some reason. But that's just my speculation, a game speculation.
I came specifically to see if someone had the same idea as mine. Completely agree!
Considering that the traveler can use the elemental powers without the vision…… could they be a Gnosis, specially the king piece?
Bro... that makes him the 8th and final piece of the board. Somehow this makes perfect sense.
This recontextualizes Scaramoosh suffering when the Electro Gnosis was originally placed in him. He could have been feeling a portion of the anguish and negative emotions of the dead 3rd Descender.
So the gnosis are not from the sovereigns? This archon quest gave lot of information like Nahida but at the same time makes things mroe confusing. Such is knowledge, the more you know, the more you realize that there are even more things u dont understand
Basically the Primordial one stole the power of the dragon sovereigns and stored it away and 400 years later he created humans, thousands of years later and right before the archon war, a third descender arrived and was killed (cause of death unknown) then the Primordial one used the third'a corpse to create the gnosis and placed the power that was stolen from the dragon sovereigns in the gnosises, and then had the many gods that romaed the land at the time to fight for them, in the end 8 gods won the war (Mikoto won alongside her twin sister Ei), and Seven gods were given the seven elemental gnosises becoming archons with Ei working as the shadow of her archon sister.
@@ahmedhabott5421 you don't know the second usurper has war with Primordia One.. No one knows who the true winner there.
@diaochan7506 First of all: That's a 1 year old comment and second of all, we do know from neuvilete's charchter stories that the first and second descender made the gnosis together.
Not only did the archons commited genocide that led to people being turn to the abyss order but now the pieces that have inside them are the remains of past traveler like us!? Oh this is not a nice road for our character.
Bro you got the lore wrong khaenriah doomed themselves
The archons probably don't know about the gnosis thing. Nahida didn't know, Neuvilette didn't know.
@@haissaig7137some yes, but I do agree that khaenriah was corrupted from withtin and many ..many good khaenriah people willing to die protecting Tevyat from which they never saw nor feel the air
3:00
"Wait, i have a disciple of my own , don't i?"
Yeah the one you just toss him into a portal with the whale like a garbage.
Did she forget she had a disciple no wonder she toss him like a sack of potato like "time toss my master pet and this other thing with it" 😅😅😅😅
Furthermore the one that Neuvilette once k.o. in the Court and will surely want a rematch now Neuvilette had regain the power of the dragon.
Unless he too also forget him like
" Who"
"The one you were able to one hit k.o. that time"
"Sorry i can't remember?/ Sorry i had k.o. pretty much lot of people so be more specific?"
This will make a conversation of two people who forgot about childe.
So the tsaritsa is after the 3rd decenders remains not the gnosis power since the gnosis still had worth even when neuvillete got back his powers from it. Also it seems the name rinhedotter has been given to more than 1 person
Um, no. Skirk used analogy, dropping names of others who equal/similar to "Gold". Like, Skirk master nickname is "The Foul"
She only used rhinedottir and vedrfornil's names as refference for the traveler to understand that her master (surtalogi) are as strong or famous as those two names are
Why am I so scared now?
If the Heavenly Principles created the Seven Archons using the powers taken from the Primordial Dragons, and the Gnosis are created from the remains of the 3rd person to have entered Teyvat, is it possible Celestia and even the Heavenly Principles are the 1st and 2nd Descenders?
Skirk reveals having the Gnosis brings about misfortune for those who possess it and that extends to any around them. Makes you wonder what Tsaritsa plans to do with them aside from potentially opening a gateway to Celestia. The Heavenly Principles punished Egeria for creating life and playing god and thus sentenced them to damnation leading Focalors to fundamentally dismantling the Seven, so I am not surprised Tsaritsa intends to use the Gnosis to destroy Celestia herself.
By the end of this series, I wouldn't be surprised if the Traveler not only has to face their sibling and the Abyss Order they lead, but also destroy the Heavenly Principles.
My theory is that the tsartisa's goals for the 7 gnosis is to ressurect the 3rd descender. The Mecha experiment by Dottore proven to be successful to harness a Gnosis power so with that breakthrough, they able to create another more powerful mecha to harness 7 gnosis and serve as a vessel for the 3rd descender to inhabit.
Maybe Celestia distributed the third descender's remains by dismembering them to avoid a resurrection or a coup
I wonder if Skirk will be playable~ Because she says for herself she will never want to go on the surface but that doesnt mean that this is the importend factor that this will not happen. With her reveal, the mention that she has an master and all of the infos we got and what she says in general could mean that we will see her again surely and maybe her master. also she gets then playable because her model looks playable for me. So i would say we will need to wait what the future will bring because It seems also that she has powers that are not from tevyat. like she says "Powers beyond this world". maybe we will get a new element
Most likely, they aren't gonna waste a design built on top of a playable character model.
@@Redahoge10 Yeah thats the same thing i thought too~ her model looks playbale for me and it wouldnt make sense that they make the work for nothing
@@xinxin22 thats true but maybe she will be playable still or she gets an new model like scara
Her design alone is clue enough that she's not gonna be playable. How are they gonna make that design into a playable model, with all the articles on her. She'd need to change to a more simplified form/design first.
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I see… Interesting… I wonder how the Snezhnaya Archon Quest will occur
And Ajax BETTER receive and send the information!
Well there goes my hopes and dreams of having a full 4 descenders of teyvat team down the primordial sea water
Why do i get the feeling Paimon knows something about the Third Descender or even IS the Third Descender who got the Nahida treatment with her body
Paimon past memories are sealed.. So she not fully realised
If the sibling we play is the 4th Descender.. what about the other sibling?
Apparently they aren’t, which is super odd. I was wondering the same thing, even started thinking that the 3rd descender was the the sibling which would really suck considering all went through. I know we’ve seen the sibling before, but main times we do are in strange places where could have just been an illusion. Like the caribert quest
In the Sumeru Archon Quest, Nahida says it does not seem like the other sibling is a descender, Im hoping the next Dainslef quest gives us answers.
Skirk casually forgetting that she has a disciple lol!
So basically the fatui harbinger are gather the gnosis either its a key for celestia or revive the 3rd descender or gain his power to them.
deym Paimon looks like she remember things and outta nowhere blurt it out innocently to help the taveler, not some forgetful duumb food thingie if u ask me looks like Paimon is a good at acting like she has Alzheimers...sus
She may as well be acting too. Just like furina for all we know
No it doesn’t feel like an act, everything about Paimon seems and feels genuine. It’s either she doesn’t know or remember who or what she is or she’s just hiding it but not so much as deceiving us in a bad way
@@jevs1555 wrong, all paimon emotion is real, I think her past memories are sealed.
are there any other chapters left? if not, i would like to expect a second story quest for Childe where he gives us the information about the Third Descender.
Probably will see him in snehznaya and neuvilette will come and tsaritsa will try and use the gnosis to give back all of the dragons their authority’s back
A Descender can use multiple elements without a Vision. An Archon and Sovereign only use element of their respective authority. And Gnosis are the remains of Descender's cursed power.
Could it be Third Descender that brought Abyss and Forbidden Knowledge to Teyvat 500 years ago? And could Traveler be the only key to stop it since he is immune to Abyssal curse?
Third desc. Has death more tjan 500 y ago..
I wonder… the Tsarista is the Archon of Love, right? What if she’s collecting the pieces of her past beloved to bring them back, or at least accomplish what they wanted before all hell broke loose?
The only problem with that theory is that the game has constantly mentioned how the Tsaritsa has turned against Celestia is starting her own war against it.
She lost her “Love” during the cataclysm when multiple Archons died.
The only thing we don’t know is the exact reason she is rebelling against Celestia.
So they handed over their gnosis so they wont turn into a catastrophe when they die or so they can wake the heavenly principles to fight since the tsaritsa is probably related to khaenriah thats why she cut ties with all archons after the destruction
I don't need sleep...i need LORE!!!
So that's what Nahida meant when she said that the gnosis will only lead to disaster if it stayed in Sumeru.
She's too dangerous if keep her breathe. 💀
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I forgot if Nahida mentioned who the 3rd descender is ... but does this mean Focalors(The Divine one) is the 3rd descender? that Gnosis is hers right?
Every archon has a gnosis all given by celestia
@@Bell_Cat639 oh I see... It is that Someone in Celestia who really owns the Gnoses and Gave it to The Seven
@@jamesvales9512 celesta created the gnosis out of the 3rds remains and then stored the power of the seven sovereign in them then gave it to the archons
Ok so here is a theory:-
The third descender died and caused the incident of khanreah 500 years. The bonds he had to the world turned into curses and devoured the nation. Later his remains were used by Celestia to create catalysts called Gnosis.
I believe it is forshadowing the death of our sibling in the future archon quests. Our sibling now has a bond with the world (fate is connected) and is trying to deceive their fate just like Focalore did. Thus they will die and their bond to the world will be severed. Our sibling's death will destroy monstand and the war against celestia will begin (the door to celestia lies at the feet of Venti's statue).
Nah, the third descender was our twin
You didn't think this one through very well. The Gnoses are far older than 500 years
Remains... Like Ymir then
So then when do we meet her again? She only clue for abyss
There is a big possibilith we meet the Sinner.. Antagonist.
I dont care about gnosis anymore... What i care most right now is... Skirk mommy pls step on me... begging hard... Mihuyo, my card is ready for you... Hahaha
If the hydro gnosis is the remains of a descender does that mean the traveler is technically a gnosis? Does that mean every descender is a traveler?
Call this a crack theory of sorts but what if every gnosis is just a failed time loop of iteration of the traveler(s)
I think 3rd descender, and most probably the traveler (4th descender) is a special case as their body is capable of storing elemental energy. 1st descender is probably primordial one and 2nd descender is the second who came who war with the 1st descender
@@Aravestia didn't Nahida say the first descender was The Heavenly Principles though?
@@magnashakeno I believe that was the second one.
@@magnashakeyes
@@andresmarrero8666it's they wage war with the 7 Sovereign and thus the second came with 'the power from beyond"