From Australia: I am a toy designer and manufacturer. I manufacture a lot in China. The translation on the end of the box says: "Special Vehicles for Transporting Coal on the Daqin Line and are assigned to the Beijing Bureau Hudong Depot." The second box says the same thing.
They would have been exclusively diesel hauled then. I watched a video yesterday taken in 1991 of some of the last steam locomotive operations; and they hauled coal in conventional open top freight cars.
Hi Sam, First wagon, top line “Special coal transport vehicle of Datai Line”, second line “Assignment: Hudong Vehicle Section of Beijing Bureau. Second wagon, top line “Special coal transport vehicle on Daqin Line”, second line “Assignment: Hudong Vehicle Section of Beijing Bureau”. 👍🏼
Hi Sam. These types of coal wagons (Coalgons here in the U.S.) have one end painted a different color. This is to indicate (on the prototypes) which end has the rotating coupler, as these are emptied solely via a rotary dumper, thus the whole rake of them would have the painted ends all facing towards the loco, IIRC. You can tell these are gondolas, and not hoppers (like those black ones you have there) as there’s no bottom discharge gates. Just a friendly FYI.
If you can find a Bachmann Spectrum SY class, that should do the job. Bachmann did base it on New York Susquehanna & Western 142, which is a Chinese SY class that was sent to America.
Just more FYI on these cars; these are rotary dump cars. The yellow end has a coupler that can be rotated in a circle. These are placed in the train with all the colored ends facing the same way. When the train reaches the power plant, the entire train goes through the rotary dumper. Each car is rotated over to dump it, one at a time; a conveyor then piles the coal onto the coal pile that feeds the plant. The locomotives then pass through (without being rotated!), and the entire train goes around a balloon loop and returns to where it came from, without being broken apart in any way. The balloon loop circles around the power plant; it really would make for a nice operation to model, and a realistic way to terminate a line. That is also why they have the rounded bottoms with no hatches; the rounded bottom makes sure all the coal slides out. Having a steam locomotive to pull these would be both nice to see and realistic; since steam hauled coal railways existed into the 21st century.
These hopper cars are used with a tipping station. The yellow end has a rotating coupling. The plain end has a fixed coupling. The coloured end always faces the engine so that when going through the tipler it can rotate without breaking the coupling.
Oh what an intriguing surprise and a big thank you to Azuma. Very impressive model for the price you've paid. The original RRP is quite stiff indeed but ~20 is a great bargain. One could easily sprinkle a decent looking layer of coal on top and glue that in place. Otherwise, it seems very well made. Oh dear, yeah Chinese characters. I've only recognised one on the box, the very first one under the print 'C80'. It can refer to anything related to humanity and human including the starting character of the Western Chinese name 'China' which is named 'Zhōngguó' in China itself, meaning something like 'central land of the land' to the best of my knowledge. But that character is being used in other context all over as well, defined by the following character(s). Oh well. Anyway, a well made and very decent wagon Sam for the amount you've paid. Cheerio.
An interesting aside, the loading gauge on Chinese coal wagons is such that 20 foot containers fit into them. They use the same wagons for both. The sides are usually patched with expanding foam to keep the ground up coal in. I live by docks in China, and the wagons are loaded with containers going in, coal out.
the lettering on those things are very crisp and the lettering is delicate. for a locomotive, might i suggest that maybe you can find an example of a steam locomotive from the Sandaoling coal mine. they were withdrawn from use just last year (2022).
Great to see stuff from around the world being reviewed - must be almost unique amongst UK reviewers. [Hornby looks over shoulder hoping they don't decide OO UK outline might be worth a punt]
I think it's a new company - so these may be their only products at the moment. Out of curiousity I looked up the Da Qin Railway and the coal in the wagons looks not dissimilar to the coal load in their wagons. I'm guessing it's powdered power station stuff, rather than the shiny lump with which we are familar.
Sam you should definitely review Korean model trains as well! It hasn't been up on the market for a while since there was little demand, but you should definitely try some! I recommend the GT26CW-2 or the Mugunghwa coaches from Hantrack. They are sold in Bahnhada, a Korean retailer who I recommend.
Simplified Chinese by way of a translate app - "Daqin Line Coal Transport Special Vehicle Alignment: Beijing Bureau Hudong Vehicle Section". Markings on wagon - Taiqin Line Yunbao Temple. Keep up the good work!
I've tried to find more info about Model Asia. It's a relatively new manufacturer and this C80 coal wagon released around 2021 is its first product to the market. PS: Locomotives like SS4(韶山4), HXD1(和谐电1), and HXD2(和谐电2) could make a petty decent consist😊.
I know I'm not the only person to say this but you really need look at some Australian HO Rollingstock. Powerline Models offer some good but cheap wagons, or if you wanted to look into some high quality models, Auscision Models is the way to go.
There are plenty apps that can translate foreign languages by using your phone camera. If you want a similar locomotive that run in China , but in Europe also , you can try Sulzer DA60 (for romanian market)/ST43 (for polish market) , they were sold in China as ND2.
I find it interesting how they could easily blend in with American rolling stock, as Chinese railways actually originally used American locomotives and rolling stock. I might have to pick some up. Also, they are considered hopper cars.
Dear Sam, I am but a Humble Subscriber. I subscribed to your channel for Two Reasons: 1. I want to see a review video on the Heljan BR class 28. & 2. I want to see you start modeling in OO9 Gauge. Trust me Sam, OO9 gauge is definitely worth trying out. It’s scaled in OO scale, but the Engines run on N scale track & the engines are just smaller. It’s OO Narrow Gauge. I highly recommend you try it. Bachmann has released a whole OO9 range (called Bachmann Narrow Gauge), including Baldwin 10-12-D’s, Double Fairlies, Quarry Hunslets, Penrhyn Mainline Hunslets, a whole host of rolling stock, and Even a new Baguley-Drewry 70HP Diesels. Just saying, I Highly recommend that you consider looking into it.
Sam, i live not far from Chemnitz, in Germany. The Railway museum has many large steam locos they have, (many in running order) are just amazing brutes. Any time do a review of any german steam loco in HO
The coal load looks strange because it is not coal - these are in fact bulk Chinese Black Bean Sauce wagons. They are similar to the baked bean bulk wagons which English viewers will be very familiar with.
Cheers Sam from Alberta Canada, always enjoy your show, at 81 I am still learning. I just this hobby after years of storing all this HO stuff Willed to me by a great friend, mostly british made. Keep up the great work and thanks.P
If you want to see an awesome looking model, look up the Bachmann QJ steam turbine model in HO. The black one is authentic, the blue one was a fantasy colour, however, the the original loco was painted black and put back in service as regular steam powered, while the turbine tender, was preserved and received the sky blue paint job.
Diversifying to other nations seems like an interesting idea. You could try checking out some romanian models, they're pretty expensive but they're very quality (at least based on the wagons I have!) (edit) if/when you review romanian locomotives, the most popular company is named Amintiri Feroviare (Ah-meen-teere Feh-ro-vee-ar-eh approx.)
Hi Sam. (You knew this was coming): Da Qin is pronounced Dah Chin. End of box Chinese characters: Use you phone to take an image and get an immediate translation. At first glance, I was surprised at the couplings being brown in colour - rust? On the whole, pretty good models. From entries on Facebook, it appears ModelAsia is a Sri Lankan company (no website, though).
Looking good. I handled two Bachmann China passanger coaches once and a steam locomotive. Visually they look amazing. For suggestions about foreign models, please, something Japanese. Try Kato, or if you're looking for a slightly more budget brand Tomix. I own a lot of N scale from both manufacturers and the value from Kato is quite amazing. If their N scale is to go by, thier new locomotives have a flywheel, directional lights and run as smooth as budder. If you're looking for a Diesel I recommend the DD51 Class. Its one of the most recognizable Diesel locomotive of Japan still in service. If you fancy a steamer, try the D51 2-8-2 mixed traffic. Its the most iconic Japanese steam locomotive. But the arguably most famous is the C62 4-6-4 express locomotive thanks to a certain anime. I highly recommend trying one of them or a similar Tomix locomotive. Japan has a lot of interesting wheel configurations, also their first railway had imported British locomotives running in 1872. Rolling stock also has knucke couplings and is very nicely detailed. Value I find quite good even for their new releases considering the models are detailed and smooth running. Great review of very interesting Chinese models 👍 I never seen an English youtuber look at one before
Bachmann does some nice Chinese railway locos and rolling stock, they can be a bit expensive though. I keep meaning to buy enough Chinese stock to make up a decent train as my wife is from Shanghai but still haven't got round to it😊
Good models, and some people like the older type coal loads. Good discounted price makes the models more desirable. I like them. Not into HO but they are a good choice. 👍
I looked up some Chinese trains on eBay out of curiosity, bachmann has (or had, idk if it’s been cancelled) a line of Chinese locomotives but I can’t find a single one for under $200.
Chinese HO is expensive. The good manufacturers make very impressive models and are usually very detailed. Also the production runs are small. The level of details in N is mindblowing compared to Euro manufacturers. But if you don't know the market, you can make a wrong buy
@@azuma892 Much cheaper, no. Usually models sell for around 1400 CNY DC on TB. With proxies and international shipping, one locomotive will cost a bit more than 200 USD. Though now I see you are talking Bachmann China, I was talking about other manufacturers
Hi, Sam! Piko 52712 DF7C diesel (Shanghai Railway) DCC ready is 137,98 GBP w/o VAT on Lippe. You may try to find some Heris Ammendorf coaches, smth like 17066-2. Piko, ROBO, Schlesien Modelle, MTB, Albert, ACME, Tillig H0, Roco have many PKP models (Poland), also Piko, Heris, Roco, Tillig, ACME and LS Models have a number of the USSR railways (SZD) or ex-Soviet countries (mostly Russia, Ukraine and Belarus) models.
I have 3 for my Charming Hao ND3! Those are very cool wagons and the locomotive it made by thr best company in the world! Attention to detail is important for Charming, you should try one Chinese locomotive, you'll be impressed!
Hi Sam, That's not a model of a Chinese Coal Wagon. That is a Model of "Bethgon Coal Hopper" or also called a "Coal Porter" we Commonly see here in America, I just thought you Outta Know !
It is always nice to explore how the hobby is done elsewhere. Could easily be same factory that dose brands Mr. Sam's trains knows, maybe if they have spare material or time they do their own thing. (afterall they are still paying the workers so might as well claim the opportunity for more proffit). I do wonder if there could be some proper set from the same company, as that would showcase their line in more depth .) Regardless i am pleased to see it. As for suggestions i did look for Japanese specifically because i am fascinated by their odd trains beyond just bullet ones. there appears to be decent choice in that on Railway Model Store (apparently Birmingham joint) at least under Kato section. and YES they do have trams too (sorry i know i rile on it but i am city born and trams are far more common than their bigger brother: trains).
Excellent video! I find this equipment very fasicanting. In terms of further recommendations, I would say Bachmann made a Chinese QJ 2-10-2 steam locomotive that is very detailed and a very respectable model, however it is quite rare piece and could take some seraching. I have always wanted one and it would be awesome to see you review it!
use google translate on your smartphone, the translations are pretty good. sometimes it even does better than their translations in manuals and instructions. The first box end says "special vehicle for transporting coal on Daqin Line. Attachment: Beijing Bureau Hudong Depot"
the railway's name, you got the "da" right. "qin" should be pronounced the same as the Qin dynasty, there should be videos on how to pronounce that For the full name, which is "Datong Qinhuangdao", well "tong" is basically how it sounds like, like the english tool "tongs" is pronounced minus the s. You got "huang" mostly right, "dao" would be more like "dow". the writing on the box says: "DaQin railway coal shipping specialised use car" "Attachment: Beijing Bureau East Lake depot" or "Attachment: Beijing Bureau East Lake vehicle segment"
Great video. I have the same identical coal wagons, made by Bachmann China. They are identical right down to the coal load. I purchased them about ten years ago, and I have eight different running numbers. I’m curious to see if the re-run has different running numbers. Good look trying to find a China Rail locomotive with DCC sound for a decent price. The only way to get a good deal on one would be to go to China, or maybe, I say maybe, second hand. For some reason, the prices, especially locos, diesel or steam, are sky high. I own several of each, and I must admit they are awesome. Cheers! Keep those videos coming…….
@jetbee1106 Just for DCC Sound? @SamsTrains doesn’t usually buy DCC Sound engines, so if the DC or plain DCC Chinese engines are a better price, he’s probably happy with those.
These coal cars are better known as the type C80, and a very similar to American coal hoppers except shorter in length. The closeup of the trucks makes me think these cars were first built around 2008. Some sources say this was originally a Bachmann China model, which explains its high quality. Chinese trains do use knuckle couplers like American ones. The DF7C diesel is made by Piko and can be somewhat easy to find in Europe and America. Bachmann did offer the SY steam locomotive in America for a while. Roco made a model of a Hong Kong electric locomotive at one point too. I've come across people looking for Russian model trains. They can be harder to find than Chinese ones, unless they're 3D printed kits or made by a European company.
Ha ha love the way you compared the coal loads, Chinese compared to Bachmann. Thing is these days Bachmann is also Chinese, so it’s Chinese compared to Chinese.
These wagons from China are very nice and I really like them. Technically, I am Chinese but I am born in Malaysia. I do not know much about the locomotives in Malaysia but I do 1 steam locomotive which came from Britain to Malaysia back in the 1950s Sam.
SPECIAL VEHICLE FOR TRANSPORTING COAL ON DAQIN LINE. ATTACHMENT: BEIJING HUDONG DEPOT. The writing on the side is basically the same, with the words VIP CAR added.
It would be interesting seeing model trains (specially locomotives) from before the republic (late Qing Dynasty). There were locomotives from varios countries ( Germany, Britain, Japan and others)
Glad these Chinese hopper wagons were in your favour. How would you feel if they made models of the Beitai Steelworks Steam Engines, which are still used to this day, IRL?
Bit of a video suggestion… could you run through your rating system:- this is what 1* quality is, this is what 3* quality is… this rating is worth x in the final grade etc. doesn’t. Have to be trade secret details, example of this model is x and that model is why, curious how you work it out, seems very harsh to get a C with all categories 4*
Hi from Thailand Sam ! I love your videos I’m trying to make some of the old Locomotive from my country.. Such as RSR ( Royal Siamese Railway ) 1894 Dübs & Co. & some more soon follow.. And your videos really help me out a lot. Thank you So much! :D
@@SamsTrains That's my assumption, anyway. The designs are pretty much identical in everything but length (the American ones are a bit longer) and markings.
Google translate possibly works on the Chinese characters. It comes out as Special vehicle for transporting coal on Daqin Line Attachment: Beijing Bureau Hudong Depot
Hello sam I live in Brazil, so i cant come to the bigess train con , can you see if you can find a FRANTESCHI train , if you do can you make a video off your expirience whit it? Good day , john
Hi Sam, Great video, if you're after an Eastern locomotive then perhaps the JR D51 would be up your way, also Will you be reviewing the Hornby Azuma anytime soon?
Enjoy this video sam might have a look for some myself, brought some interesting wagons myself the other day of Ebay, Evemodel Trains HO Gauge high-side Gondola Car in yellow you can get 6 different colours price £13.99 & I brought 3 of them for the total price of £35.67, I think you might like these, I impressed by them the have a nem pocket with nickel coupler and I change the bachmann coupering. If you do decided to get would like to know what you think of them.
Bachmann does some Chinese locomotives. I know they do SY class Mikado steam locomotives. There are two SY class erected in 1989 running in the U S. Sam, why would you be surprised by the quality most western companies have their products manufactured there.
They also made a QJ class 2-10-2. But I believe both have been out of production for awhile, and were very expensive when new. I had an interest in modeling Russian railways as well; but most of it is made in Romania or Russia, so hard to find and very pricey in the west.
Looks very cool . I'm still waiting on my new train. But anyway ur the best my friend. Keep being awesome. Ur trains are cool as always. Any recommendations my friend. Just list a train for me to get
There are three categories of coal, from high grade to low grade. The lowest grade coal is not shiny at all and looks about right with the Chinese one.
Actually Sam, you did review a “model” train from China once. I think you threw it down the stairs in frustration after you learned the wheels had no flanges ;)
The packaging and some of the designs for parts look like they were borrowed or purchased from other more well known brands. My guess is that some amalgamation of manufacturers who make parts for other companies decided to have a little fun and make something a little closer to home.
These are neat, and very different! A nice change from your normal content!! I’d love to see more Chinese models reviewed, maybe even some Japanese models too, and some models from some other countries too! Australia would also be neat. Also what’s wrong with the RS-11? I’ve been thinking of getting one, but now I’m second guessing 😂
There is a monthly Australian Model Railway News on TH-cam with a big back catalogue of what is available. Quite a few model reviews , but not as thorough a Sams reviews.
From Australia: I am a toy designer and manufacturer. I manufacture a lot in China. The translation on the end of the box says: "Special Vehicles for Transporting Coal on the Daqin Line and are assigned to the Beijing Bureau Hudong Depot." The second box says the same thing.
Amazes me how much they fit in a handful of characters that we take up a whole paragraph for
Sort of like the opposite of Greek hey!@@lukejackson8741
They would have been exclusively diesel hauled then. I watched a video yesterday taken in 1991 of some of the last steam locomotive operations; and they hauled coal in conventional open top freight cars.
Hi Sam,
First wagon, top line “Special coal transport vehicle of Datai Line”, second line “Assignment: Hudong Vehicle Section of Beijing Bureau.
Second wagon, top line “Special coal transport vehicle on Daqin Line”, second line “Assignment: Hudong Vehicle Section of Beijing Bureau”. 👍🏼
Hi Sam. These types of coal wagons (Coalgons here in the U.S.) have one end painted a different color. This is to indicate (on the prototypes) which end has the rotating coupler, as these are emptied solely via a rotary dumper, thus the whole rake of them would have the painted ends all facing towards the loco, IIRC.
You can tell these are gondolas, and not hoppers (like those black ones you have there) as there’s no bottom discharge gates. Just a friendly FYI.
Interesting. I was wondering why one end was yellow
@@robertsparks3685 - yep, know you know. 🙂
These wagons demonstrate that quality is not affected by international boarders. Good scoring scale rails are truly universal. Thanks Sam
Except for the coal in it
If you can find a Bachmann Spectrum SY class, that should do the job. Bachmann did base it on New York Susquehanna & Western 142, which is a Chinese SY class that was sent to America.
A cool series idea is getting the most famous locomotive from a controy and somthing for it to pull and do some breif history on rail in that place
Just more FYI on these cars; these are rotary dump cars. The yellow end has a coupler that can be rotated in a circle. These are placed in the train with all the colored ends facing the same way.
When the train reaches the power plant, the entire train goes through the rotary dumper. Each car is rotated over to dump it, one at a time; a conveyor then piles the coal onto the coal pile that feeds the plant. The locomotives then pass through (without being rotated!), and the entire train goes around a balloon loop and returns to where it came from, without being broken apart in any way. The balloon loop circles around the power plant; it really would make for a nice operation to model, and a realistic way to terminate a line.
That is also why they have the rounded bottoms with no hatches; the rounded bottom makes sure all the coal slides out. Having a steam locomotive to pull these would be both nice to see and realistic; since steam hauled coal railways existed into the 21st century.
These hopper cars are used with a tipping station. The yellow end has a rotating coupling. The plain end has a fixed coupling. The coloured end always faces the engine so that when going through the tipler it can rotate without breaking the coupling.
There is a Brazilian model train manufacturer called Frateschi. You might try to get something from them.
Oh what an intriguing surprise and a big thank you to Azuma. Very impressive model for the price you've paid. The original RRP is quite stiff indeed but ~20 is a great bargain. One could easily sprinkle a decent looking layer of coal on top and glue that in place. Otherwise, it seems very well made.
Oh dear, yeah Chinese characters. I've only recognised one on the box, the very first one under the print 'C80'. It can refer to anything related to humanity and human including the starting character of the Western Chinese name 'China' which is named 'Zhōngguó' in China itself, meaning something like 'central land of the land' to the best of my knowledge. But that character is being used in other context all over as well, defined by the following character(s). Oh well. Anyway, a well made and very decent wagon Sam for the amount you've paid. Cheerio.
An interesting aside, the loading gauge on Chinese coal wagons is such that 20 foot containers fit into them. They use the same wagons for both. The sides are usually patched with expanding foam to keep the ground up coal in. I live by docks in China, and the wagons are loaded with containers going in, coal out.
Thats interesting.
the lettering on those things are very crisp and the lettering is delicate.
for a locomotive, might i suggest that maybe you can find an example of a steam locomotive from the Sandaoling coal mine. they were withdrawn from use just last year (2022).
Great to see stuff from around the world being reviewed - must be almost unique amongst UK reviewers. [Hornby looks over shoulder hoping they don't decide OO UK outline might be worth a punt]
Thank you! I love looking at stuff from outside the UK... it's almost always interesting!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrainsEvemodels does a decent looking box van and you can get it around 13 quid delivered.
I think it's a new company - so these may be their only products at the moment.
Out of curiousity I looked up the Da Qin Railway and the coal in the wagons looks not dissimilar to the coal load in their wagons. I'm guessing it's powdered power station stuff, rather than the shiny lump with which we are familar.
Yeah I couldn't find anything else from them when I looked - ahh interesting, thanks for letting me know!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam you should definitely review Korean model trains as well! It hasn't been up on the market for a while since there was little demand, but you should definitely try some! I recommend the GT26CW-2 or the Mugunghwa coaches from Hantrack. They are sold in Bahnhada, a Korean retailer who I recommend.
Sounds great, I'll look into that thanks! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Simplified Chinese by way of a translate app - "Daqin Line Coal Transport Special Vehicle Alignment: Beijing Bureau Hudong Vehicle Section". Markings on wagon - Taiqin Line Yunbao Temple. Keep up the good work!
I like how the silver and yellow of the packaging lines up with the silver and yellow of the model in the box. A nice touch.
I've tried to find more info about Model Asia.
It's a relatively new manufacturer and this C80 coal wagon released around 2021 is its first product to the market.
PS: Locomotives like SS4(韶山4), HXD1(和谐电1), and HXD2(和谐电2) could make a petty decent consist😊.
I know I'm not the only person to say this but you really need look at some Australian HO Rollingstock. Powerline Models offer some good but cheap wagons, or if you wanted to look into some high quality models, Auscision Models is the way to go.
There are plenty apps that can translate foreign languages by using your phone camera. If you want a similar locomotive that run in China , but in Europe also , you can try Sulzer DA60 (for romanian market)/ST43 (for polish market) , they were sold in China as ND2.
Yeah that's true actually, should have thought of that! Thanks for the tips!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Mukka...
Yet again, concentrate... the "turning wheel" is the HANDBRAKE!
😂
I find it interesting how they could easily blend in with American rolling stock, as Chinese railways actually originally used American locomotives and rolling stock. I might have to pick some up. Also, they are considered hopper cars.
Dear Sam,
I am but a Humble Subscriber. I subscribed to your channel for Two Reasons:
1. I want to see a review video on the Heljan BR class 28.
&
2. I want to see you start modeling in OO9 Gauge.
Trust me Sam, OO9 gauge is definitely worth trying out. It’s scaled in OO scale, but the Engines run on N scale track & the engines are just smaller. It’s OO Narrow Gauge. I highly recommend you try it. Bachmann has released a whole OO9 range (called Bachmann Narrow Gauge), including Baldwin 10-12-D’s, Double Fairlies, Quarry Hunslets, Penrhyn Mainline Hunslets, a whole host of rolling stock, and Even a new Baguley-Drewry 70HP Diesels. Just saying, I Highly recommend that you consider looking into it.
Sam, i live not far from Chemnitz, in Germany. The Railway museum has many large steam locos they have, (many in running order) are just amazing brutes. Any time do a review of any german steam loco in HO
The coal load looks strange because it is not coal - these are in fact bulk Chinese Black Bean Sauce wagons.
They are similar to the baked bean bulk wagons which English viewers will be very familiar with.
Cheers Sam from Alberta Canada, always enjoy your show, at 81 I am still learning. I just this hobby after years of
storing all this HO stuff Willed to me by a great friend, mostly british made. Keep up the great work and thanks.P
Locomotive suggestion since you’re looking for one: The China Railways Class QJ 2-10-2. Bachmann made a model of one I believe.
Okay cool, I'll look at that!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrainsI saw a photo of a class HXD1 hauling these hoppers, so if you're looking for an electric, that might be the one to go!
The QJ is a fantastic machine.
If you want to see an awesome looking model, look up the Bachmann QJ steam turbine model in HO. The black one is authentic, the blue one was a fantasy colour, however, the the original loco was painted black and put back in service as regular steam powered, while the turbine tender, was preserved and received the sky blue paint job.
@@SamsTrains I also have a Bachmann QJ 2-10-2. Run very nicely but is noisy. There are 2 or 3 QJs in the US.
15:05 that engine isn't happy pulling those wagons Sam, lol
hahaha!
Diversifying to other nations seems like an interesting idea. You could try checking out some romanian models, they're pretty expensive but they're very quality (at least based on the wagons I have!)
(edit) if/when you review romanian locomotives, the most popular company is named Amintiri Feroviare (Ah-meen-teere Feh-ro-vee-ar-eh approx.)
Yo maple
Wait, they ship model train to România????. Also the name translates to rail memories
@@FunAngelo2005 Yep, I know, I am romanian. Of course Amintiri Feroviare ships to romania. Not sure if they ship out of country tho.
ayy @@kariikonen8695 I member u from uhh the south pacific right?
@@maple7093 i'm also ramanian
Micro-Ace, Kato & Tomix do some wonderful Japanese outline models in N gauge.
Those are some nice looking pieces of rolling stock, but they look short, I'm used to long north American hoppers.
Please Review some Oz locos...Ausicion, Ixion, SDS brands
0:16 love the music 😂
Very cool Sam! Love the global focus
Hi Sam. (You knew this was coming): Da Qin is pronounced Dah Chin. End of box Chinese characters: Use you phone to take an image and get an immediate translation. At first glance, I was surprised at the couplings being brown in colour - rust? On the whole, pretty good models. From entries on Facebook, it appears ModelAsia is a Sri Lankan company (no website, though).
Looking good. I handled two Bachmann China passanger coaches once and a steam locomotive. Visually they look amazing. For suggestions about foreign models, please, something Japanese. Try Kato, or if you're looking for a slightly more budget brand Tomix. I own a lot of N scale from both manufacturers and the value from Kato is quite amazing. If their N scale is to go by, thier new locomotives have a flywheel, directional lights and run as smooth as budder. If you're looking for a Diesel I recommend the DD51 Class. Its one of the most recognizable Diesel locomotive of Japan still in service. If you fancy a steamer, try the D51 2-8-2 mixed traffic. Its the most iconic Japanese steam locomotive. But the arguably most famous is the C62 4-6-4 express locomotive thanks to a certain anime. I highly recommend trying one of them or a similar Tomix locomotive. Japan has a lot of interesting wheel configurations, also their first railway had imported British locomotives running in 1872. Rolling stock also has knucke couplings and is very nicely detailed. Value I find quite good even for their new releases considering the models are detailed and smooth running. Great review of very interesting Chinese models 👍 I never seen an English youtuber look at one before
They are probably made in the same factory as Bachmann, Walthers, Hornby, Atlas, and Athearn.
These look fascinating! A model I want to see is one of the Darjeeling railway locomotives. The blue on those are especially good!
The RRP for these in Australia is AUD39.95. Which currently works out at about GBP20.80. So pretty close. I imported mine direct from Model Asia.
Sam did you oil the bearings before you tested the Gordons Hill rolling test.
No I didn't - they were tested as they were out of the box!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Bachmann does some nice Chinese railway locos and rolling stock, they can be a bit expensive though.
I keep meaning to buy enough Chinese stock to make up a decent train as my wife is from Shanghai but still haven't got round to it😊
Good models, and some people like the older type coal loads. Good discounted price makes the models more desirable. I like them. Not into HO but they are a good choice. 👍
I looked up some Chinese trains on eBay out of curiosity, bachmann has (or had, idk if it’s been cancelled) a line of Chinese locomotives but I can’t find a single one for under $200.
Chinese HO is expensive. The good manufacturers make very impressive models and are usually very detailed. Also the production runs are small. The level of details in N is mindblowing compared to Euro manufacturers. But if you don't know the market, you can make a wrong buy
No they are still making new locos for their Chinese range, and many are much cheaper than 200 USD, at least if bought locally.
@@azuma892 Much cheaper, no. Usually models sell for around 1400 CNY DC on TB. With proxies and international shipping, one locomotive will cost a bit more than 200 USD. Though now I see you are talking Bachmann China, I was talking about other manufacturers
Hi, Sam! Piko 52712 DF7C diesel (Shanghai Railway) DCC ready is 137,98 GBP w/o VAT on Lippe. You may try to find some Heris Ammendorf coaches, smth like 17066-2. Piko, ROBO, Schlesien Modelle, MTB, Albert, ACME, Tillig H0, Roco have many PKP models (Poland), also Piko, Heris, Roco, Tillig, ACME and LS Models have a number of the USSR railways (SZD) or ex-Soviet countries (mostly Russia, Ukraine and Belarus) models.
A little rolling drag improves stability over rail joints and points.
Fantastic review sam, a very interesting prototype, and great models as well, very surprised about that!
Nice review. Are the n gauge models also readily available?
I have 3 for my Charming Hao ND3! Those are very cool wagons and the locomotive it made by thr best company in the world! Attention to detail is important for Charming, you should try one Chinese locomotive, you'll be impressed!
Hi Sam, That's not a model of a Chinese Coal Wagon. That is a Model of "Bethgon Coal Hopper" or also called a "Coal Porter" we Commonly see here in America, I just thought you Outta Know !
It is always nice to explore how the hobby is done elsewhere.
Could easily be same factory that dose brands Mr. Sam's trains knows, maybe if they have spare material or time they do their own thing. (afterall they are still paying the workers so might as well claim the opportunity for more proffit).
I do wonder if there could be some proper set from the same company, as that would showcase their line in more depth .) Regardless i am pleased to see it.
As for suggestions i did look for Japanese specifically because i am fascinated by their odd trains beyond just bullet ones. there appears to be decent choice in that on Railway Model Store (apparently Birmingham joint) at least under Kato section. and YES they do have trams too (sorry i know i rile on it but i am city born and trams are far more common than their bigger brother: trains).
Excellent video! I find this equipment very fasicanting. In terms of further recommendations, I would say Bachmann made a Chinese QJ 2-10-2 steam locomotive that is very detailed and a very respectable model, however it is quite rare piece and could take some seraching. I have always wanted one and it would be awesome to see you review it!
use google translate on your smartphone, the translations are pretty good. sometimes it even does better than their translations in manuals and instructions. The first box end says "special vehicle for transporting coal on Daqin Line. Attachment: Beijing Bureau Hudong Depot"
Try Aurora Miniatures. They produce US/Canadian and Chinese outline diesels. Bit pricey though, but possibly worth a look
the railway's name, you got the "da" right. "qin" should be pronounced the same as the Qin dynasty, there should be videos on how to pronounce that
For the full name, which is "Datong Qinhuangdao", well "tong" is basically how it sounds like, like the english tool "tongs" is pronounced minus the s. You got "huang" mostly right, "dao" would be more like "dow".
the writing on the box says:
"DaQin railway coal shipping specialised use car"
"Attachment: Beijing Bureau East Lake depot" or "Attachment: Beijing Bureau East Lake vehicle segment"
Even the BBC gets Qin wrong at times by not saying it as Chin.
Great video. I have the same identical coal wagons, made by Bachmann China. They are identical right down to the coal load. I purchased them about ten years ago, and I have eight different running numbers. I’m curious to see if the re-run has different running numbers. Good look trying to find a China Rail locomotive with DCC sound for a decent price. The only way to get a good deal on one would be to go to China, or maybe, I say maybe, second hand. For some reason, the prices, especially locos, diesel or steam, are sky high. I own several of each, and I must admit they are awesome. Cheers! Keep those videos coming…….
@jetbee1106 Just for DCC Sound? @SamsTrains doesn’t usually buy DCC Sound engines, so if the DC or plain DCC Chinese engines are a better price, he’s probably happy with those.
These coal cars are better known as the type C80, and a very similar to American coal hoppers except shorter in length. The closeup of the trucks makes me think these cars were first built around 2008. Some sources say this was originally a Bachmann China model, which explains its high quality.
Chinese trains do use knuckle couplers like American ones.
The DF7C diesel is made by Piko and can be somewhat easy to find in Europe and America. Bachmann did offer the SY steam locomotive in America for a while. Roco made a model of a Hong Kong electric locomotive at one point too.
I've come across people looking for Russian model trains. They can be harder to find than Chinese ones, unless they're 3D printed kits or made by a European company.
If your trying trains from other countries try Auscsion models in Sydney Australia. I have a Tangara at the moment and waiting a V set to arrive
When are you going to have an 009 narrow gauge branch line ?
In several shots the locomotive appears to be really struggling - is the locomotive or the drag from the carriages?
Sam your reviews help me with what I should buy
That's lovely to hear Alex!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Review anything from Broadway Limited Imports.
Ha ha love the way you compared the coal loads, Chinese compared to Bachmann. Thing is these days Bachmann is also Chinese, so it’s Chinese compared to Chinese.
These wagons from China are very nice and I really like them. Technically, I am Chinese but I am born in Malaysia. I do not know much about the locomotives in Malaysia but I do 1 steam locomotive which came from Britain to Malaysia back in the 1950s Sam.
Very cool, thanks for sharing!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Gade of C with ALL categories at 4/5 or better ?
SPECIAL VEHICLE FOR TRANSPORTING COAL ON DAQIN LINE.
ATTACHMENT: BEIJING HUDONG DEPOT.
The writing on the side is basically the same, with the words VIP CAR added.
It would be interesting seeing model trains (specially locomotives) from before the republic (late Qing Dynasty). There were locomotives from varios countries ( Germany, Britain, Japan and others)
You should try a Jouef steam locomotive Sam. I've got a class 141p and it really is a wonderful model.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Yeah I should - they sound cool!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Good review and some very nice looking wagons 👍
Glad these Chinese hopper wagons were in your favour.
How would you feel if they made models of the Beitai Steelworks Steam Engines, which are still used to this day, IRL?
Great video sam 👍
I would really like if one day you could review an Ferrovie dello stato model maybe like a E656 "caimano" or an aln668
Bit of a video suggestion… could you run through your rating system:- this is what 1* quality is, this is what 3* quality is… this rating is worth x in the final grade etc. doesn’t. Have to be trade secret details, example of this model is x and that model is why, curious how you work it out, seems very harsh to get a C with all categories 4*
Yes, I thought the same, Sam
Hi Sam. real coal will sort out the loads.
Hi from Thailand Sam !
I love your videos
I’m trying to make some of the old Locomotive from my country..
Such as RSR ( Royal Siamese Railway ) 1894 Dübs & Co. & some more soon follow..
And your videos really help me out a lot. Thank you So much! :D
Greetings from the UK! That sounds great - good luck with your search my friend!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
For a brief moment, I thought those were American-made Bethgon Coalporters. Easy to forget that the Chinese liked the design enough to make their own.
Ahh interesting! Is that what happened??
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains That's my assumption, anyway. The designs are pretty much identical in everything but length (the American ones are a bit longer) and markings.
Google translate possibly works on the Chinese characters. It comes out as Special vehicle for transporting coal on Daqin Line Attachment: Beijing Bureau Hudong Depot
Translation: Specialist vehicle for transporting coal on Daqin Line. Beijing Bureau Hudong Depot
Hello sam
I live in Brazil, so i cant come to the bigess train con , can you see if you can find a FRANTESCHI train , if you do can you make a video off your expirience whit it?
Good day , john
I've never heard of the brand before Sam, I'll have check of they have any steam loco.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Yeah neither had I - it doesn't sound like they do any locos as far as I know!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I would love to have a China layout. It's an awesome railway country.
Wow, I did not expect that high of a mark for those cars, maybe I should buy some! 😄
Absolutely!! Super cheap at these prices :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, Great video, if you're after an Eastern locomotive then perhaps the JR D51 would be up your way, also Will you be reviewing the Hornby Azuma anytime soon?
Enjoy this video sam might have a look for some myself, brought some interesting wagons myself the other day of Ebay, Evemodel Trains HO Gauge high-side Gondola Car in yellow you can get 6 different colours price £13.99 & I brought 3 of them for the total price of £35.67, I think you might like these, I impressed by them the have a nem pocket with nickel coupler and I change the bachmann coupering. If you do decided to get would like to know what you think of them.
Very interesting. Certainly good value. I wonder if they would be a little more free rolling once they have been run for a while.
They've got the same colour scheme of your loft!
hahaha true!!
is there a website of modelasia ?
Bachmann does some Chinese locomotives. I know they do SY class Mikado steam locomotives. There are two SY class erected in 1989 running in the U S. Sam, why would you be surprised by the quality most western companies have their products manufactured there.
So I hear! I'll definitely keep an eye out for some of their stuff!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
They also made a QJ class 2-10-2. But I believe both have been out of production for awhile, and were very expensive when new.
I had an interest in modeling Russian railways as well; but most of it is made in Romania or Russia, so hard to find and very pricey in the west.
When are you going to Review the several Bachmann CR steam locos? CJ, SY, etc?
DocAV Aussie.
@survivingworldsteam also a fair amount of Russian Railroad is broad gauge.
@@richardsweeney197 true, but the 3.5" difference in gauge is negligible at HO Scale.
Why won't you show the Precision Motive Works loco please and do a review
Azuma will love this ;)
Looks very cool . I'm still waiting on my new train. But anyway ur the best my friend. Keep being awesome. Ur trains are cool as always. Any recommendations my friend. Just list a train for me to get
There are three categories of coal, from high grade to low grade. The lowest grade coal is not shiny at all and looks about right with the Chinese one.
Actually Sam, you did review a “model” train from China once.
I think you threw it down the stairs in frustration after you learned the wheels had no flanges ;)
Next up: sam buys a shinkansen from japan
Hey Sam - (others may have pointed this out) if you use Google Translate on your phone it will show you what the text is in English....
Thank you! I'll give that a go!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I can't wait until model railways take off in India, so much interesting stuff there!
you should try some Kato locomotives
The packaging and some of the designs for parts look like they were borrowed or purchased from other more well known brands. My guess is that some amalgamation of manufacturers who make parts for other companies decided to have a little fun and make something a little closer to home.
These are neat, and very different! A nice change from your normal content!! I’d love to see more Chinese models reviewed, maybe even some Japanese models too, and some models from some other countries too! Australia would also be neat. Also what’s wrong with the RS-11? I’ve been thinking of getting one, but now I’m second guessing 😂
There is a monthly Australian Model Railway News on TH-cam with a big back catalogue of what is available.
Quite a few model reviews , but not as thorough a Sams reviews.
@@johnd8892 thanks for the info, I’ll have to check that out!
maybe try some hungarian locos from different manufacturers like piko or roco.
Speaking of being pressured to buy rolling stock from viewers, please buy Santa Fe coaches
Heavyweights? Budd's? Or... ?
@@muir8009 either one