A1708 Macbook Pro running super slow: sensor issue diagnostics & repair
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In today's episode of "if the slightest thing goes wrong, just buy a new one"......
'My battery on my new Macbook is empty!' 'That's 750 Dollar for a battery replace, and 250 on top for the work.'
"Look at me mom, I repair computers of a company who despises me"
No need to shill when it pays the bills
Is this the datasheet you are looking for? www.diodes.com/assets/Datasheets/PI3USB32212.pdf Makes sense that it is a usb 3.1/3/2 mux switching device. Looks like the same series of chip. Found it by using octopart.com and then searched the manufacturers website. I'm guessing apple did just order enough to get a custom subseries of the chip for diodes to be able to track it easily
It's a PI3USB32224 on the board (which I was unable to find a datasheet for), so it's not an exact match, but the entire PI3USB series is USB switches (for different functions on Type-C.) So at least the function is clear...
Nice, even the family model number PI3USB32 gives you a hint that is related to USB. If you google it, first two results are from vendor website. Unfortunately, some people are expecting for information to be available at a finger snap. It is normal for a manufacturer to take precautions and use custom design IC's or use higly available components and erase the model number and it is perfectly normal for a company to not offer you the circuit diagram of the product. Imagine that your company develops a board and in less than 2 months after release it gets cloned and it's available on the market at 40% of the price (it was not even necessary to perform a reverse engineering). Repair shop are just collateral victims.
@@luciancucli5319 But repair shops could get the information under an NDA, like any other shit is shared with an NDA and its working fine.
It's not a collateral victim, it's a pain in the ass, for anybody who doesn't works for the 1% piece of shit and works for the other 99% of people, who can't pay any week 1500$ for a new computer.
It's a disgusting business. If Louis would pay a hole bunch of dollars to Apple, they would instant share their programs and data sheet with him....
@@PsychEngel I'm not refffering strictly to Apple, but this is a bussines model and is not illegale and it shouldn't be. The NDA is a joke. In my early example a NDA was signed with the PCB manufacturer, but somehow the information "leaked" and suing them would cost company a large amount a money with little success probability. It's a free market, you are not forced to buy a 1500$ Apple laptop, there multiple other manufacturers with home to premium/business family models. Nobody is forcing him to work on Apple laptops, but his business is based on repairing expensive products, he couldn't be charging the customers the same if they bring in a 500$ laptop.
Please do not confuse this situation with the one that interdicts you to repair your own device at an independent workshop, that is illegal.
I'm so happy that Your store is okay Louis
Been watching the whole stream, choppin on my fingernails...
It's an old stream.
Audience: You can't just blare tool noise at us!
Louis: _haha ultrasonic go brrrr_
Thank you so much!
By simply disconnecting the camera-cable exactly this problem was solved for me today.
After hours of googeling I finally found the soulution in this video at minute 45 - thank you so much.
9:23 the definition of louis rossmann!
perfect explanation, louis!
What the fuuuuuck ambient light sensor.....why?What is the logic behind it?Did water short the sensor or it just died because "apple"? Enjoyed the troubleshooting drama as an electronic engineer (I hope...) but still jaw dropping at the cause of the problem.
left indicator on the backside of the car not working? better slow this car down to 2mph. that's apple logic
mh84 that’s a thing. But replace indicator with diesel emissions fluid injector. But that’s more of a “oh we’re polluting more? Better make it take the driver 5x as long to get anywhere”
Yeah, limp home mode on cars is a stupid thing. It doesn’t reduce shit.
I've seen some A1466 macbook airs do this where behind the bezel the webcam is all corroded and the sensor is rekt
Make sure nothing overheats by making the computer unusable. They are making every tiny problem a reason to buy a new computer.
Hi Louis, a dead ambient light sensor making the machine unusably slow, because "Apple" sounds about right.... After all they are always saying think different.... 🤣
Die Corona. My favourite song by The knack.
So early quality is still at 360p
Lol Louis you make me laugh so much. Thank's. I need it. I just lost my business because of the corona. I'm an electronic technician. I fix amplifiers, game console, etc... Tell me what stuff you use in spray for coronavirus kill? Thank's. Excuse my english, i'm french and keep doing your good job. For me you are the best, you are my teacher. Thank's again. Waiting for answer. Take care you and your men.
its just alcohol, could easily use rubbing alcohol, but denatured evaporates easier and would likely be better for electronics
@@mrmagoo-i2l Thank s.
If you use the denatured alcolhole everything tastes bitter afterwards because denatonium benzoate is a solid. So yeah 70% isopropyl alcohol, 30% water. The water is crucial for the iso to enter the virus membran and fuck shit up for corona
@@mrmagoo-i2l Thank s a lot.
I've been using Linux full time since 2018 when i realised the writing was on the wall for Windows 7.
I love it. With an SSD it runs like the wind on old machines. My daily driver is 10 years old. I've tried a lot of Distros but in the end I came back to what i started with Linux Mint with the Cinnamon desktop. No point in reinventing the wheel - for superficial usage in the GUI its a lot like Windows. I get what you say that when you get started with Linux you often have to do some googling to work things out but now after 2 years I actually find Linux easier than windows in many ways. The terminal in Linux is a very useful and powerful tool. I find it quite convenient to just sudo apt get if i need an application. The more and more people who switch to Linux the better it becomes the more companies will begin to support it.
My old experiences with Linux especially around 2008 were a little negative but over the years I had better and better experiences with it. I really think its matured the last few years. I think Linux is the future. I don't really see the Windows kernel still being around in 2030. Microsoft are all about selling subscription services and what they can sell you through corporate accounts and group policies and the cloud these days. Is there really any money in selling OS's these days and single licenses for Microsoft office every 10 years?
2 points.
1. The more and more people switch to Linux, the more and more hackers will focus on Linux desktops and not only Linux servers.
2. Linux Mint is the non plus ultra of reinventing the wheel. It's using Ubuntu, which is a bad reinvention of Debian and its using Debian and most reinventing part of Linux Mint. It's doing, like it is Windows. Why the fuck, I need the reinventing (Ubuntu of Debian) of reinventing (Mint of Ubuntu) of reinventing (Mint of Windows)?
@@PsychEngel Yeah - hackers spend all day beating their heads against the wall with Linux servers. What makes you think they will have a great deal of success against Linux desktop environments? Linux and Windows have virtually nothing in common. I know some users run Wine which makes their systems more vulnerable but i don't. I'm done with Microsoft and its shitty products. You can't put a price on freedom.
Fact is Windows is yesterdays news mate - Windows 10 is appalling. It gets worse with every update and is less stable than Windows 98. Most Linux distros I have tried have been fairly smooth - I tried all sorts of desktops from Gnome, Mate, KDE and a few others. I tried various different distros from Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Manjaro, Zorin but finally came back to Mint - I just like it.
My first Linux experiences in University were with some sort of bastardised Debian distro the University had installed on the machines in some of the computer labs. At the time I couldn't really see the point because as much as XP could be unstable my Linux experiences were "sub-optimal" to say the least. Over the years I experimented with Linux a bit - including Ubuntu. I'm not so keen on Gnome though. It's definitely started to mature the last few years. It's an exciting time.
I can only guess you're some sort of PR guy contracted by Microsoft to try and discredit Linux users to prevent people from switching. I see this all the time on the internet - like if you criticise the F35 or Monsanto someone always shows up to argue how wonderful their shitty stealth fighter or GMO's and poisons are. All I can say is I'm glad I'm not you.
whats wrong with windows 10?
@@heythere6983 I wouldn't even know where to start. Honestly it's a long time ago but I found Windows 98 more reliable than Windows 10. Literally every update it has breaks something, deletes files. It's a piss poor shadow of Windows 7. I can't think of anything particularly redeeming about it. It's little but spyware and DRM masquerading as an operating system in my opinion.
@@zoidberg444 iv been thinking of leaving apple for music production, for the same reasons you mentioned, that updates break compatibility and functions within apples own software. But if windows ten has the same issues then it leaves me kinda in the same place.
Macbook be like: _Oh well, too bad my light sensor doesn't work properly anymore. I guess I'll just stop working at all until some human can read my mind and figure out what's wrong with me._
Humans: THE ACTUAL HELL DID WE CREATE??!?!?
So, Louis, you are the kind of person that i wish i had as a friend.
outstanding detective work here Louis.
I love, how you rage all the time, it's so relaxing and funny for me, so I'm watching your videos for some hours, each day 😅
Woohoo, Ultrasonic ASMR is back!!! 😁🥰😜
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Is there some sort of a list somewhere of these "Think Different" designs? Would make a worthwile reading and an educational piece for the potential apple buyer.
Yeah I learned something. My 2014 Acer Aspire M5 is more reliable and lasts longer than a $1200+ Macbook.
This computer has liquid damage. You act as if it magically stopped working. Any computer would start to have problems with fans/sensors if liquid was spilled in it. Don’t be obtuse.
It would be nice if Apple had some kind of Qcodes on their motherboards. You could just look up the number and figure out what's wrong with it.
But then it would be easier for to repair Apple doesn't want that they want you to buy another one
Apple: wait thats illegal! *instantly makes it 200 times harder* you dare to try FIX our product?!
@keyboard hitter I was mainly referring to those high end gaming motherboards (or high end motherboards in general) There are desktop motherboards that have an LCD screen that you would find on a score board. Not really how this would work for a laptop motherboard. Maybe an external LCD display on the laptop that spits out a reading when things are going wrong or right.
@@kaneose It's easier, then you think. Two or three pins and that's it. You don't need more, to transfer data over Tx/Rx, which could display on a 1080p display, or a small 3 line LCD, to present a code for debugging.
This is my first time seeing inside of an apple product. Why is the mainboard so small?
reducing the surface area of a PCBA in bigger quantities of production leads to much more cost reduction than reducing the amount of active and passive components in the BOM so Apple is just cutting costs by cramming everything together, which is why we see really high power lines next to data lines which leads to these machines failing inevitably over time, its a win-win for apple.
@@royflores850 Pretty sure this wasn't done to reduce costs of manufacturing the PCB, in the quantities Apple is ordering the PCB (not the assembly) is probably like 10 bucks a board.
I think they did this mainly for a more compact design.
Also Power lines being near signal lines isn't necessarily a problem or bad praxis. EEV Blog debunked his claim that waterdamage is bad for the PCB because of the location of the powerlines.
The “shit, Corona” part was hilarious for some reason.
I love the way he says I need to kill the corona virus
The Bob Ross of board repair.
You sound like Deadpool. Specially the last part 😁
I really do wonder if he likes Apple or not...
I think Its like a blade with 2 edges
He hates apple, because it produces shitty Products to scam the people,
on the other hand, he does have lots of costumers and can earn money
@@Rathalos-sz7yx aaand who doesnt like money?
It makes him money but also keeps making his job harder, so he definitely has to be grateful, but I definitely understand why he’d be mad
He definitely loves Apple products. He keeps talking about the product, isn’t?
its a thin line between lile and dislike.
Pipe the sensors out of a known good mac of the same model to an array saved on the flashdrive and then compare with defective mac?
0:31 - as long as the spray you use doesn't kill all the electrons in the area (like in your keyboard or display buttons.
Oh god everything is positive ions now HELP ME LORD
Id be more worried about anything rubber or with a hard coating on it. Ethanol likes to eat these kinds of things a lot more than Isopropanol would.
I’ve seen that failure and an smc reset does the trick
why do You don't just use iStat Menus to check with sensor have no reading?
Maybe, because the MacBook needs 20 minutes to boot and needs extra 30 minutes to start the AppStore, then 5 minutes to search the application, then 10 minutes to download and 30 minutes to install and even 15 minutes, to start the application and 1 hour, to read out the sensor data, without force close it... 2 hours and 50 minutes, to debug some sensors? No thanks...
This is what real board repairs look like.
ahh good ol Macbook repair , keeps the normal in my life in these Krasy times.
Louis 😁😁😁just make my day as add morr to my knowledge 😁😁😁😁😁....big ups man...I love your vids
Wasn't there a video in which Louis explained pretty frustrated the webcam can cause sensor issue? As soon as he said ALS - ambient light sensor I was like "I bet you it's the webcam"
Is not every day you see Louis bee~ing excited because the fan doesn't spin
louis: dont beep at me you fuck
beep: god dangit
This sensor hunting situation definitely sounds like something that could be automated...
ye bro your webcam is bad you prob just need to buy a whole new laptop from apple .lol
Louis why not slipstream lm-sensors (or whatever it is) into the live ISO so when you boot it has all the packages you need right off the bat? no WiFi, no memorising apt-get, easy
lm-sensors is the app but to use it just type 'sensors'. if you wanna monitor it type 'watch sensors' that will refresh every couple seconds with a semi-live reading.
probably doesnt help that im not in the live chat.
I had one the other day that the screen was causing it not to boot, only found it out by mistake.
I get a lot of iPad and iPhone botched screen replacements where they fubared the ALs ... so the screen/touch won't disable when cover goes on, or when held to ears
I also have an A1708 that seems to be running slow
which model is that? I have no idea what a1708 is lol
What's the word of the day Louis? 🤣
I did learn something today. I learned just how INVINCIBLY BACKWARDS Apple products can be. Holy hell, that's just... *painfully* stupid.
If the chip number is correct, then the PI3USB32 is a USB2.0 single port switch made by Pericom. Its description is that it is for devices with limited USB i/o in their hubs or controllers.
To me it would seem to be pointless because the PCH already has plenty of USB unless it's used in conjunction with other chips to provide USB2.0 compatibility over thunderbolt?
It might be a kludge because of earlier macbooks having poor support for USB2.0 devices.
html.alldatasheet.com/html-pdf/816240/PERICOM/PI3USB32XAE/298/1/PI3USB32XAE.html
@Cr0Lar That's why I'm confused, unless the Thunderbolt chips that Apple use don't have native support for USB2.0 and require translation from the thunderbolt chip to the PCH, or from the TB chip to the actual ports?
@Cr0Lar The more I think about it, the more I think it's because the thunderbolt chip doesn't natively output or input USB2.0 to the ports, so it has that chip to translate the signals when a USB2.0 device is connected, it's the only thing that makes sense, and this would explain why earlier models had such poor USB2.0 support.
afaik Ryzen has to use an add-in chip to use TB, and that it also also requires certification from Intel, which is why only a handful of Ryzen desktop boards have it as a feature, and add-in cards are hit and miss as to whether they work or not because the drivers are garbage on anything but Intel chipsets.
Thunderbolt is an utter mess, nice features and all, but it seems it was designed by gorillas smashing grapefruits and shit against a wall and using the result as the final design.
Since you have the schematics, why can't you figure out where the sensor is and probe it's output with a voltimeter (in case the output is analog) or an oscilloscope and get directly the measurements without the software?
Serious question, I hate apple but I need a new laptop... What do you recommend brand wise? So it can be repaired is something fails...I will support any company out there helping people like you.... I repair electronic equipment in the medical/research industry in Australia, and I go out of my way to ensure customers dont purchase certain brands as it makes my life a c#$@ to repair them (same situation you are having here)
POTUS should have appointed Rossmann head of the COVID-19 task force
I missed the ultrasonic ASMR.
@0:57 Is Louis is getting very fast at removing screws?
21:54 the content we come here for
Watching your videos Louis, I sometimes wonder if the people in the Apple labs have this streamed while they work and they just sit there laughing at you the whole time while they work out new ways to screw over anyone trying to troubleshoot these pieces of llama feces. Ahhh Apple, I despise you so much.
techtool pro MIGHT help tell you which sensor ....
Oh so he uses Gentoo Linux. That explains a lot.
P.S. I use it too, so not implying anything wrong about that
You are hilarious my man
PI3USB32224BXEAEX is a IC SWITCH SPST USB 2.0 8TQFN
from Diodes Incorporated, that's the best I can do as the whole data sheet for the chip is in Hindi
So we have to change whole screen ?
I know this is old now, but I can't get enough of that coronavirus killing of past times...
That PI3USB chip you referred to, I have a similar chip which is used as a video mux ic on the Nintendo Switch. It's named the same (PI3USB) so I'd assume this one is similar.
If that's bleach water may want to be carful with that may cause mild corrosion over time.
i have the same problem after water spill , after i did mac diagnostic i have NDC001 ( camera not working) i changed the screen , reflow SMC and nooooothing !
How much does a repair like this cost? I’m having the same issue with my A1989.
Why if i watch your video with blower air solder more than ,10 minutes i always feel Sleepy...
Store lives another day?
You guy know how to fix touchbar freeze in mac pro 13 2019? I must use terminal to restart touchbar when it freeze! It just happend over again
Ya bro be careful.
Hi Louis I had this issue and found out the error by running AHT by pressing D. I just cut the traces after the lcd connector and no more als bye bye but the laptop at least works.
Man, that spray at the start probably gave it water damage.
sounds like what an apple store would say lol
uhh lol no
Nah, the spray is alcohol. It made it a tipsy-book.
New drinking game, every time a C-Bomb gets dropped, drink a shot.
I'm guessing the IC has something to do with the USB :-)
Love the language :D
how did apple lock down the debug mode? cant you just solder wires to where a JTAG would go to and still talk to the machine? im just now getting into repairing apple products, they use intel chipsets so how much different can they be, a hypervisor wont stop me, so can someone elaborate on what the issue is with the apple diag software? maybe i can make a "independent" version of it.. like you would crack a PC game.. if anyone has a link where i can download the official apple software then i can crack it for everyone. or clean room reverse engineer it..
why waste your time, it's not even a cheapo-china-rebrando to bother for...
The problem is that most of the diag software is downloaded live over the internet with something called AST2. So it would require you to either do a mitm i'm guessing while someone is running diagnostics on it or get the image from somewhere else. Alternatively you could write the software yourself, though I think thats more effort than it is worth
Clean room requires a clean engineer to reimplement.
I'm pretty sure, Jtag doesn't exist on MacBooks. The CPU is Intel, correct, but the chipset, bootloader and any other security part, isn't from Intel and will force you out to debug anything. The software can't be downloaded, like someone mentioned earlier, because it's running only with a specific VPN connection, some of them, only at Apple company itself, not even in an Apple store or anywhere else. Only in their labor, it's able to start and run. They've made so many security-related bullshit, to protect their software from using by others, that cost them almost 30% of their earnings xD
@@norwayprod networks can be emulated with a program like wireshark, im working on a way to effectively emulate the SEC chip so we can get data off phones reliably.
i think ill stick to my older macbookpro andnew windows gaming laptop
TSOP - The Sound Of Philidelphia.
That's more cursing in peace time than I like to see sailor.
what madman would call that peace time? every laptop is another battle against the evil fruit demons
macbook a1708 does not turn on, cooler is fast, do you know the diagnosis?
Does anybody know where I can find the aluminum case for 2012 unibody MacBook Pro? A 13 inch model that does not have a Retina display?
This slowdown, caused by a sensor issue, only occurs in MacOS? Is this slowdown caused by a MacOS process or by hardware?
Linux user gang! (i use ubuntu 20.04 with i3wm)
parabola+bspwm gang
Debian rules all the bullshit from Ubuntu out of the way and runs more smoothly.
Psych Engel ok but did anyone ask
@@computer-love "Linux user gang". Is Debian not Linux? Oo
With the amount of "C" word flying around, I don't know if I'm listening to Louis Rossmann, or Ronnie the Limo Driver.
Is that a mechanical keyboard I see? Guess someone got rid of that microsoft keyboard.
He likes using it but prefers the MS one.
the MS kb is just too large. he has this mech kb for a while now.
Take everything your power to not say "bought by c***s"
LMAO
Is he blinking out "Fuck Apple" in Morse code?
Hey, so i have an a1706 with a broken screen the Mac only boots when the screen is disconnected but it won't fully boot because of the missing sensor . When i unplug the cable for the screen and power it up it boots but than it black screens and when i quickly connect the cable while the Mac is showing the apple logo it fully boots just fine. Is the Sensor in the LCD assembly or on the doughter board besides the Mainboard? Could i get away with disconnecting the LCD Dataline connectors which are coming from the screen itself?
Thanks in advance. Help would be appreciated
Hello Louis ! I think my A1708 "coincidently" has this same issue ! To start with, my webcam does not work anymore. Now my computer fan speeds up like hell usually when watching videos and the computer gets soooo F slow ..... What can i do ? should i send the machine to you ? how can i do this ?
Because it's too dark out there and poor macbook got nervous and anxious xD
I like your moxy,
Me: My shift key doesn't work anymore.
Genius: That'll be $3500.
You’ve clearly never owned an Apple product or had one serviced, but okay... good one.
@@DrCrabnuts Of course I haven't because I'm not retarded.
Hydrium Etern Lol, its okay. It can be tough being a kid. Don’t worry... one day, you’ll be able to afford things and not have your personal image determined by the things you buy. It’s a tough age, kiddo, but you’ll grow up one day. Hopefully.
If it makes you feel better, I own Android/iOS/Win/MacOS/Linux. They’re just tools. Some work better than others, some in better ways than others. Again, they’re just tools, bud.
@@DrCrabnuts Hey if you want to be smug about being an idiot that's overpaying by a magnitude of 4x for hardware then you do you buddy.
Hydrium Etern yeah, don’t buy Nikes, buy Payless. Don’t buy Mercedes, buy Datsun. Don’t buy new clothes, buy them from consignment.
There are cheaper products for just about anything. Your logic is flawed.
Anyone else think the thumbnail looked like bacon?
Mmmmm. Bacon.
That's hilarious it was the fcking screen LOL
Your language is becoming spicy
Isn't this a video seen before some weeks ago?
All repairs that Louis records are livestream before they get edited down for this channel. This was live a couple of weeks ago.
Apple, the disposable laptop company! 😂
Why is Louis acting out so weird when he uses the alcohol spray ?
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Fumes
@@CJonestheSteam72 drunk off the cleaning alcohol
Hi mr. Rossman may i ask if this is related to mac air 2011 too slow on high sierra and not even entering disk utility
If Apple didn’t want people tinkering with their products in the very first place, then why wouldn’t they dip the board in some sort of resin to protect it from corrosion?
Pretty sure it would save them a lot of money in Apple care exchanges!
do people know shops that build pcs or hackintoshes in the nj/ny area? I might be switching from apple but dont have the knowledge of motherboards and solid dependable builds ETC. I write music and just want something that works without worrying about updates that can ruin compatibility with hardware/sofware, I feel apple his this issue but im not sure, I havent used windows in about a decade so I dont know what common issues windows has. Im not trying to spend 3 grand for a reburbished apple product if its going to continue to make compatibility hard and also have buggy OS but tbh , is windows even better ?
Todays lesson is how not to mincing your words.
Using Ubuntu since 2010.