Wanted you to know ... that the graphics and information on this video has helped me more understand compression in a major way ... I have always struggled, but this helped me understand ... AND I could hear the difference finally ... the A/B demonstrations were super .... I really appreciate the video!! SUBSCRIBED!!
The visual graphs here really help. Thank you Waves team for getting this on. Great explanation video. Really love your plugins. I haven't updated Waves in a while since I used Slate and other plugin companies but now, I am loving waves again especially after V12. I can definitely hear the difference. Thank you guys for updating your plugins! Not just the GUI, but the sound as well!
For those asking: this is not the same as an expander. An expander raises the volume of a signal above a threshold. R Comp has this feature, and it’s expressed as “negative” compression ratios. MV2 is a low-level compressor, where a signal below a threshold is raised. Automation or possibly parallel compression is more similar than an expander.
Doesn't Trash 2's compressor & gate combo work this way too? The gate has negative values, raising the signal below the threshold, turning the gate into a low compressor right?
I want to thank you… this plug in did exactly what you said it would. It will be my go to compression in shaping vocals. From there I can add the “ frosting “. Thanks again
Please continue explain like that in the video, its really helpful for beginner like me to understand what is actually happening in this tutorial, keep it up🙏
i must say i watched this and was really not sure how well it would work with my mix. it BLEW MY MIND! I added it to my bus and started singing things and holy moly did it not only save my mix but brought it life. This WILL be a go-to for me now.
For me, its simplicity is its beauty. It has saved the day as i have been struggling with some very old (but in demand) cassette recordings.What a job ! This has been a God send really :)
I recently picked up MV2, RVox, SSL EV2 , and SSL G Master Buss compressor from waves. After playing around with them MV2 was my clear favorite and most useful plugin. That upwards compression is just so easy and essential to use.
I just bought the MV2 plugin last night for $29.99. I plan on using it just for upwards compression, followed by my Fabfilter Pro-C2 at a lower ratio. I want them to dance together & make the song smile. 😁
@@MastroTunes Not that it matters, but what i think waves did this on purpose because the plugin screams simplicity, maybe their target market for this plugin is for those who are more amateur beginners and are teaching themselves mixing as opposed to some more experience people like ourselves that look for more optical solutions and delivery styles.
I have a love hate relationship with this plugin, mostly because of the attack/release settings being meh and that i feel everything i put in has a colored sound in a way that doesn’t work for most material. It feels too simple at times, but can be good on some poorly recorded tracks.
For me, its simplicity is its beauty. It has saved the day as i have been struggling with some very old (but in demand) cassette recordings.What a job ! This has been a God send really :)
@@igorzavalnyi5341 real automation is done manually with the editing tool. I've heard Mutt Lang say he would sometimes spend 8 hours automating a vocal track
@@igorzavalnyi5341 it's not about shortcuts and speed. It's about getting the right mix no matter what it takes. I've found I get much better results when I spend time manually automating the vocals. There are sometimes issues related to vowels which occupy certain frequencies. In that case, a multi band compressor would do the trick by only grabbing those certain midrange frequencies
@@anthonypicone3463 Dang really!? I'm on song 18 of my first album (or what's turning into two albums...) and like, dang! Are you talking about automating the volume? If so, what about Waves Vocal Rider???
I've been using it as a bus compressor on the master fader for a while with the Good Leakage setting. Maybe tweaking the settings some after the preset and often not. I like the warm gluing together it does.
Thank You Dan, I just added the MV2 to my go to Vocal Bus. I've had the plugin for quite a while now but didn't take (or have) the time to try it out until watching today. At first was a bit skeptical with no control over attack n release but the end result after comparison was spot on. p.s. who is Jim? Lol
this might be weird, but what i tend to do is riding the vocals first, using either a volume plug in or a trim control on the audio file, automate the volume on the loudest parts, and the quietests parts raise them a little bit as well, when it is more balanced then i used a compressor either for the short peaks in peak mode or if is just for the tone and coloration in the RMS mode.
great tips! A lot of famous producers' favourite trick. Although, I wouldn't recommend compressing vocal so aggressively in the example on 5:45. It sounds too flat for this genre and naturality of the vocal. Also in the second example on 5:26 the vocal started sounding smaller after compression, especially when monitoring on a quiet volume.
@@kensmechanicalaffair Parallel is the King, but in this case Upward compression would bring back all the highest picks and make them stand out. Just moderate serial compression would do the job perfectly.
What I’ll do a lot of times is section off the peaks and just drag the volume on tha section down and then grab the whole section and raise the overall volume. Then I’ll compress. It sounds like a lot but you can get it done as quick or quicker and messing with the compressor
@@TheTonyTitan yeah tbh I use it for Hip-Hop and R&B, I’ve been mixing and mastering less than a year so if you know about ways to stack compression to get a good sound let me know!
Nice. Creo es mejor conservar el dinamismo de la voz y este mv2 lo hace super bien además de conseguir uniformidad en el. Volumen genial. Gracias bro gracias to the team waves
@@lockheartbleeding because vocal rider will do a good job at leveling out your vocal which in turn will make the compressor work less when you throw it on there, that’ll give you a more natural sounding vocal over just throwing on a compressor and having it squash the vocal
I have always been using the MV2 in series with other compressors. No wonder it sucked. The MV2 can do it all on its own! Can't wait to try this out. I'd still add the RVox after it however. Thanks for sharing!
That seems like one very good product ! Can someone please tell the name of the other two songs in this video ? I couldn't find them at all and been searching for a while. The first one is Now You're Blood · The Boot Inn Band I would really appreciate, thank you !
I already do multiple (soft) compression. Cause I saw it years ago. And... I already use the MV2 In a bus (vocal) since several months. With soft compressions. For more... Body and presence But Thank you, it was really interesting
MV2 doesnt make much sense to me…if it can be used solo, as it was said in the video, whats the attack time for it then? From what i understand it works similarly to rvox just some additional options. If the attack is super quick, then its just smashin everything at these levels…if its slower then usually you will need something quicker to pickup the transients. So what is it?? It can be both righ…or it can? I see people usually use rvox + cla2a, i assume its gonna be the same with mv2. And what if compressor is hitting to slow or too quick…you cant adjust anything a bit. If you go to manual you wont fond a word about attack time. Folks…you cant work with only two sliders or knobs!! Or if you do, you must have bunch od other plugins in the chain to compensate
couldn't you theoretically achieve this same effect as having an expander stacked with a compressor? Seems like the "secret sauce" is just an expander, correct me if I'm wrong. The plugin certainly simplifies things though. seems nice!
No. An expander raises the volume of a signal above a threshold. R Comp has this feature, and it’s expressed as “negative” compression ratios. MV2 is a low-level compressor, where a signal below a threshold is raised. Automation or possibly parallel compression is more similar than an expander.
Wondering: would one apply a light noise gate ahead of MV2 in the chain to make sure any dead air noise floor doesn't get compressed up? Or just trim out dead air with volume automation? Etc.
You can also use MaxxVolume, which is just like MV2 but has a noise gate - and a little more control over the upward and downward compression parameters.
This is an interesting analysis. I wish to ask a few questions: how Is the MV2 different from the vocal Rider Plug-in? 2ndly, is it advisable to use this plug-in on Vocal Bus channels or it works best with Single -vocal Channels?
MV2 is a High/Low Level compressor. Vocal Rider does not compress at all. So they are very different. In most cases, you will use this on a single vocal channel.
Wanted you to know ... that the graphics and information on this video has helped me more understand compression in a major way ... I have always struggled, but this helped me understand ... AND I could hear the difference finally ... the A/B demonstrations were super .... I really appreciate the video!! SUBSCRIBED!!
Glad we could help 🙌 🙌 🙌
This is one of the better demonstrations do to your use of the visual aid. Nice!
The visual graphs here really help. Thank you Waves team for getting this on. Great explanation video. Really love your plugins. I haven't updated Waves in a while since I used Slate and other plugin companies but now, I am loving waves again especially after V12. I can definitely hear the difference. Thank you guys for updating your plugins! Not just the GUI, but the sound as well!
For those asking: this is not the same as an expander.
An expander raises the volume of a signal above a threshold. R Comp has this feature, and it’s expressed as “negative” compression ratios.
MV2 is a low-level compressor, where a signal below a threshold is raised. Automation or possibly parallel compression is more similar than an expander.
Doesn't Trash 2's compressor & gate combo work this way too? The gate has negative values, raising the signal below the threshold, turning the gate into a low compressor right?
It sounds good. Is it unlike pre-gain on a compressor? thanks! 🙏
I'm a visual *and* hands-on learner and your diagrams nailed it. I really appreciate the effort you put into this. Thank you 🙏 ❤🤜🤛🎤
All your plugins in these series are right on the money. They haven’t lied 🤥 yet. Thanks for sharing!
I want to thank you… this plug in did exactly what you said it would. It will be my go to compression in shaping vocals. From there I can add the “ frosting “. Thanks again
Please continue explain like that in the video, its really helpful for beginner like me to understand what is actually happening in this tutorial, keep it up🙏
i must say i watched this and was really not sure how well it would work with my mix. it BLEW MY MIND! I added it to my bus and started singing things and holy moly did it not only save my mix but brought it life. This WILL be a go-to for me now.
For me, its simplicity is its beauty. It has saved the day as i have been struggling with some very old (but in demand) cassette recordings.What a job ! This has been a God send really :)
I recently picked up MV2, RVox, SSL EV2 , and SSL G Master Buss compressor from waves. After playing around with them MV2 was my clear favorite and most useful plugin. That upwards compression is just so easy and essential to use.
The MV2 literally just saved my last mix. I like to use it on buses to get a fantastic sense of control between elements. It works!
Thank you so very much brother. I’m using it a lot on vocals at church now.
I just bought the MV2 plugin last night for $29.99. I plan on using it just for upwards compression, followed by my Fabfilter Pro-C2 at a lower ratio. I want them to dance together & make the song smile. 😁
The graphical representation are just insane man. Loved this one❤
I’m glad i chosed waves, these tutorials and edutaiment videos are just what we need , thank you from a home studio producer
I've always used this plugin to amplify sound, I never knew it could be used like this. Now my vocals sound more professional and mixed!!
Crazy how I guessed the plugin before it was revealed
Crazy
lol tbh I was sure it was Vocal Rider.
teach me guru
me too :D
also the Oxford inflator is great for this job
Yeah My first thought was RVox, then Vocal Rider...I actually didnt know about this one.
MV2 is Amazing, I use it in every vocal track, And in the mastering process as well.
Settings?
This is dope. This plugin would be perfect with some attack and release settings for each though.
Agreed, I’m wondering why waves would limit something that seems so necessary.
Yeah that's the only reason I don't use it I never like how the attack and release sounded
@@MastroTunes Not that it matters, but what i think waves did this on purpose because the plugin screams simplicity, maybe their target market for this plugin is for those who are more amateur beginners and are teaching themselves mixing as opposed to some more experience people like ourselves that look for more optical solutions and delivery styles.
I have a love hate relationship with this plugin, mostly because of the attack/release settings being meh and that i feel everything i put in has a colored sound in a way that doesn’t work for most material. It feels too simple at times, but can be good on some poorly recorded tracks.
For me, its simplicity is its beauty. It has saved the day as i have been struggling with some very old (but in demand) cassette recordings.What a job ! This has been a God send really :)
Thank you brother. That was a really professional, to-the-point tutorial. Going to the MV2 right now 😎 x
Hey friend I am extremely hard of hearing. How you showed the vocal track was very helpful for me. Thankyou and keep killing it!
Love this video series! Would be awesome to see a comparison of use of MV2 vs Vocal rider and also vocal chain with all waves plugins!
Thank You Waves! I Love my Waves Plugins!
MV2 is the sauce the difference is instantly noticed! Even on Drums! Hits different!!
Good call on drums!!
You apply it to the whole drums?
Don't underestimate automation before compression.
Just apply the limiter and buum
can automation be that fast to deal with peaks and lows in a single word?
@@igorzavalnyi5341 real automation is done manually with the editing tool. I've heard Mutt Lang say he would sometimes spend 8 hours automating a vocal track
@@igorzavalnyi5341 it's not about shortcuts and speed. It's about getting the right mix no matter what it takes. I've found I get much better results when I spend time manually automating the vocals. There are sometimes issues related to vowels which occupy certain frequencies. In that case, a multi band compressor would do the trick by only grabbing those certain midrange frequencies
@@anthonypicone3463 Dang really!? I'm on song 18 of my first album (or what's turning into two albums...) and like, dang! Are you talking about automating the volume? If so, what about Waves Vocal Rider???
Jaycen Joshua often uses the MV2 as his parallel compressor on vocals.
Man is a legend.
I am learning more daily from yt than I did in music school. 😐
I've been using it as a bus compressor on the master fader for a while with the Good Leakage setting. Maybe tweaking the settings some after the preset and often not. I like the warm gluing together it does.
Tremendous tip and demonstration! I never knew that plugin could do that for vocal applications (and more).
Thank you so much! Almost all Waves plugins are dug by you! Great job!
Just got it and love it on vocals! Secret weapon plugin
Thank You Dan, I just added the MV2 to my go to Vocal Bus. I've had the plugin for quite a while now but didn't take (or have) the time to try it out until watching today. At first was a bit skeptical with no control over attack n release but the end result after comparison was spot on. p.s. who is Jim? Lol
Sean Paine demonstrated the MV2 a few years ago at my school, I've been a proponent ever since
I just found a new plugin for compression. Very easy to use and vey Effective. thanks
For my taste, I thought the "not enough compression" example at 1:17 was actually quite nice for this style.
That's why mixing is an art, and not simply something you automate
this might be weird, but what i tend to do is riding the vocals first, using either a volume plug in or a trim control on the audio file, automate the volume on the loudest parts, and the quietests parts raise them a little bit as well, when it is more balanced then i used a compressor either for the short peaks in peak mode or if is just for the tone and coloration in the RMS mode.
Based
this is the best tutorial I have ever seen
great tips! A lot of famous producers' favourite trick. Although, I wouldn't recommend compressing vocal so aggressively in the example on 5:45. It sounds too flat for this genre and naturality of the vocal. Also in the second example on 5:26 the vocal started sounding smaller after compression, especially when monitoring on a quiet volume.
That's what parallel is for.
@@kensmechanicalaffair Parallel is the King, but in this case Upward compression would bring back all the highest picks and make them stand out. Just moderate serial compression would do the job perfectly.
@@CyrilleBoucanogh Or in my case pick up a moderate ground noise, lol.
MPA told me how to utilize the MV2 on my Kick and Snares and I can't believe I got some things done without it before!!
Thank You Very Much Sir!
🙂🙏
beast comp. I usually set this plugin third to last
I was about to say the MV2 way before he revealed it. I did videos using this and made presets with it. It is a killer on BKV.
The phrase “double bagging compression” hit me differently than it prob should 🤣
What I’ll do a lot of times is section off the peaks and just drag the volume on tha section down and then grab the whole section and raise the overall volume. Then I’ll compress. It sounds like a lot but you can get it done as quick or quicker and messing with the compressor
What missing, as in many Waves plugins, is an autogain. This would make for a great update.
WOW I have also been getting into this plug in of late and I can confirm it works wonders and really easily.
Its works on all kinds of dtynamic material.
I personally double stack the CLA - 2A and the RVOX, and get a great upfront raw vocal sound!
For hip hop?
@@TheTonyTitan yeah tbh I use it for Hip-Hop and R&B, I’ve been mixing and mastering less than a year so if you know about ways to stack compression to get a good sound let me know!
I've been using on mostly low level comp but I will also try both high and low
Thanx for this one, so useful
Serious tutorials with serious plugins! Thanks Dan!
Nice. Creo es mejor conservar el dinamismo de la voz y este mv2 lo hace super bien además de conseguir uniformidad en el. Volumen genial. Gracias bro gracias to the team waves
Dude this is a life saver thanks soooo much
Great video, thank you 😊
autotune pro > waves vocal rider > de-esser > subtractive eq > additive eq > c6 > ssl e channel > rcomp > rvox > vocal doubler > final eq > de-esser > limiter > (bus) > delay > valhalla reverb > million dollar vocal sound
why put vocal rider before conpression 🤔
@@lockheartbleeding because vocal rider will do a good job at leveling out your vocal which in turn will make the compressor work less when you throw it on there, that’ll give you a more natural sounding vocal over just throwing on a compressor and having it squash the vocal
Much better if you volume automate by hand rather than allowing vocal rider to potentially ruin a performance
@@1safeguard i mix 5-10 songs a day bud, there’s not enough time to sit there and automate a vocal manually.
Can you send an example with one of my vocal recording?
I have always been using the MV2 in series with other compressors. No wonder it sucked. The MV2 can do it all on its own! Can't wait to try this out.
I'd still add the RVox after it however. Thanks for sharing!
@Wayne Brown thanks for this vid
Yeah! One of my favorite plugin!
Thank you for a great reminder about this. However, I've just got Neutron Standard, so no Waves for me (not mentioning iLok) :-)
Great video!
Personally prefer the sound of the 2 compressor method - seems smoother and more balanced to my ears.
Great vid. Cool songs you worked on.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Well done, Dan... Great video!
That seems like one very good product !
Can someone please tell the name of the other two songs in this video ? I couldn't find them at all and been searching for a while.
The first one is Now You're Blood · The Boot Inn Band
I would really appreciate, thank you !
I use MV2 all the time. The secrets out now.
My new mentor❤🙏🙌🏾
Thanks a lot good job
I already do multiple (soft) compression. Cause I saw it years ago. And... I already use the MV2 In a bus (vocal) since several months. With soft compressions.
For more... Body and presence But Thank you, it was really interesting
UPDATED VOCAL CHAIN: 500 Series analog:
Neve 1073lb > dbx 520 De-Esser > Maag EQ4 (Airband at 10k +6db) Crane Song Falcon (for peaks) > DAW: Autotune > Subtractive Eq (ProQ3) > 1176 > LA2A > Additive Eq (Pultec or SSL) > Rvox > Vocal Doubler > Slate Digital Fresh Air = Billion Dollar Sound
Good job, Mr Graphic ilustrator👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼. Make videos like this again please , Waves.
Will do!
Nice going to try it, i have it in my bundle to
Excellent presentation....😊Subscribed!😊
Yes, this is fast and great solution.
I needed this!!!!! Omfg thank you
Good thing I already own this 😜!!! Now to test it out!!!
Can you use this as a parallel compressor? What settings could work
very good this mv2 from waves, I have it and I didn't even know it was that good hehehehe, thank you very much
I have that plug-in as well would you put the mv2 after your first compressor?
Thanks Waves. Now your blood!!!!
This my favorite compressor 🔥🙏
Just use volume automation so you can fix the majority of the problem before compressing
Just use an analog compressor in tracking, so you don't waste too much time with volume automation.
@@getulioprates yeah but I don’t want the loud notes to sound squashed, but thanks for the tip
Black Friday sale baby, $25 bucks!!! Thanks!!
this helped alot thx
Turns into an infomercial at 4:00
i'm not the best at compression, this helped
I think this is in my bundle have to check
mv2 is great but there is no attack and release control.. but its decent :) good for slow type of music but not for fast dynamic vocals or instruments
I really liked the song, composition and the way singer has sung.. What's the name of the song .
Amazing Waves compression plugin 😊
Now You're Blood · The Boot Inn Band
MV2 doesnt make much sense to me…if it can be used solo, as it was said in the video, whats the attack time for it then? From what i understand it works similarly to rvox just some additional options. If the attack is super quick, then its just smashin everything at these levels…if its slower then usually you will need something quicker to pickup the transients. So what is it?? It can be both righ…or it can? I see people usually use rvox + cla2a, i assume its gonna be the same with mv2. And what if compressor is hitting to slow or too quick…you cant adjust anything a bit. If you go to manual you wont fond a word about attack time. Folks…you cant work with only two sliders or knobs!! Or if you do, you must have bunch od other plugins in the chain to compensate
Works great on 808’s also
Downwards and upwards compression then.
Hi there! Would you suggest using MV2 and vocal rider together and if so, which one first? Thanks!
That depends on what your track needs...
Best suggestion is to experiment and see if it sounds good
Question in your vocal chain where should you use this plugin in your vocal chain ??
love it
couldn't you theoretically achieve this same effect as having an expander stacked with a compressor? Seems like the "secret sauce" is just an expander, correct me if I'm wrong. The plugin certainly simplifies things though. seems nice!
No. An expander raises the volume of a signal above a threshold. R Comp has this feature, and it’s expressed as “negative” compression ratios.
MV2 is a low-level compressor, where a signal below a threshold is raised. Automation or possibly parallel compression is more similar than an expander.
Wondering: would one apply a light noise gate ahead of MV2 in the chain to make sure any dead air noise floor doesn't get compressed up? Or just trim out dead air with volume automation? Etc.
I would go with the second one
You can also use MaxxVolume, which is just like MV2 but has a noise gate - and a little more control over the upward and downward compression parameters.
wow wow thank you so much
This is an interesting analysis. I wish to ask a few questions:
how Is the MV2 different from the vocal Rider Plug-in?
2ndly, is it advisable to use this plug-in on Vocal Bus channels or it works best with Single -vocal Channels?
MV2 is a High/Low Level compressor. Vocal Rider does not compress at all. So they are very different.
In most cases, you will use this on a single vocal channel.
I still think the FET-Optical is better. The middle still gets blown out with MV2
Nice! Thank you.
Wonder how this will sound using it in this chain:
Mv2, Pro Q, C6, 76, 2A, Pro Q, Soothe 2.
saturation?
I guess squashed
Mv 2 is super