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We all spend money on sex, even if it’s just our time. I’ve got no issues with people sugar dating. As long as you don’t lose your game in the process and use sugar dating as a crutch
All men pay in some capacity, whether via looks, popularity, beauty or money, et cetera. Which is the best? They are all equal. You had her in some capacity, or you did not.
Contrary to popular belief, you actually need to have a lot of game in sugar dating. It's not as easy as it sounds. If you don't have strong social skills, social awareness, and negotiating ability, you'll get eaten alive by the predators on these websites. Seeking is a haven for sc.ammers and finessers that target wealthy men.
ANSWER: In 1990, no. In 2022, yes. Tinder girls are 10x worse than hookers. Tinder girls trade up by offering free snatch. Hookers trade down by accepting cash. For a guy who is a 6 or 7, in a world where girls only like guys who are 9 or 10, this is a good deal, and better than a wife.
@@natashadickson4819 See the book Dataclysm (2014 for those still wearing surgical masks to the grocery store). Based on 100 Million swipes we learned that women only find 4.5% of men attractive. That means women find 95.5% of men NOT attractive (they find 80% ugly). So a man must be a 9.55/10 in order to QUALIFY. The average woman is only a 5 (newsflash).
@@natashadickson4819 Funny you jump from dates to husbands. The average Tinder date is a female 5 who is sharing a male 9.75 with SEVEN other women. Women all joined harems so they can pretend they can "do better".
@@bigneiltoo I've never seen a 9.75 guy with a gal who is a 5, so that doesn't compute. Also, there are no 9.75 guys on dating apps because they don't need an app to attract women. I jumped to marriage because that's the goal for most of the women who want children. If women only want guys who are a 10...how come so many sub-8 men are dating and marrying?
@@natashadickson4819 No, the problem is that women rate a guy who is a 9 as average and an 8 is ugly. If women only like the top 4.5% of men, then the AVERAGE man who gets a date is a 9.75. Do the math.
In Aaron Clarey podcast where I first heard SA. Tried it and had no regret. Save time and money. We all pay anyway. That doesn't mean I have to relax and not work for myself but gives me a release from that sexual anxiety thirst while I build wealth, fitness and go out meet people.
I profoundly AGREE with you on all of these points! Seriously great advice, Troy. I rode that fine line in several relationships and had to find the right balance. My only addition to the conversation is to say that how you start a relationship will carry on throughout your relationship. If certain standards of expectations are established early on, they will likely be the standard years later. In all likelihood, much more will be expected once you are in a committed relationship. Ideally for a man, the less you need to provide initially to “secure” the woman, the better.
Frankly all the game on TH-cam doesn’t provide the same amount of leverage with a very attractive, 25 yo woman the same way that money does. If you’re not looking for a wife I don’t see the problem
The older men with a good physique and looks good for his age isn't any less physically attractive than a younger man. In fact his sexual attraction goes up with age, because he's learned game and confidence from life experience, trial and error. James Bond is a good example, even if he's fictional.
As you certainly know, there is such a thing as reverse sugar dating, where the girl financially "rewards" a guy for being her pretend boyfriend. It's a novelty, but a lot of fun being in that position as a man. And by the way, the guy never asks for anything. He can, actually, be quite well off and doesn't need her money; she likely provides for him in this way simply to ensure he'll stay around and be there for her, and the money keeps the relationship transactional, lacking deep emotional ties, rather than a romantic, loving bond.
Why would men go that far in paying for a woman's lifestyle. That means they are totally dependent on you. Why go waste all that money . There lots of Escorts out there.
Troy..if you did an honest assessment of American dating market you could gain credibility but I don't see it coming and your inviting harsh criticism. .!
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When you already have a pile of money, spending money on female companionship should be a small expense.
a man giving his fiancé a $10,000 diamond ring is also adding sugar.
We all spend money on sex, even if it’s just our time. I’ve got no issues with people sugar dating. As long as you don’t lose your game in the process and use sugar dating as a crutch
All men pay in some capacity, whether via looks, popularity, beauty or money, et cetera. Which is the best? They are all equal. You had her in some capacity, or you did not.
Contrary to popular belief, you actually need to have a lot of game in sugar dating. It's not as easy as it sounds. If you don't have strong social skills, social awareness, and negotiating ability, you'll get eaten alive by the predators on these websites. Seeking is a haven for sc.ammers and finessers that target wealthy men.
ANSWER: In 1990, no. In 2022, yes. Tinder girls are 10x worse than hookers. Tinder girls trade up by offering free snatch. Hookers trade down by accepting cash. For a guy who is a 6 or 7, in a world where girls only like guys who are 9 or 10, this is a good deal, and better than a wife.
Why does the internet keep saying women only want a man who is a 10? Most husbands are not 10s.
@@natashadickson4819 See the book Dataclysm (2014 for those still wearing surgical masks to the grocery store). Based on 100 Million swipes we learned that women only find 4.5% of men attractive. That means women find 95.5% of men NOT attractive (they find 80% ugly). So a man must be a 9.55/10 in order to QUALIFY. The average woman is only a 5 (newsflash).
@@natashadickson4819 Funny you jump from dates to husbands. The average Tinder date is a female 5 who is sharing a male 9.75 with SEVEN other women. Women all joined harems so they can pretend they can "do better".
@@bigneiltoo I've never seen a 9.75 guy with a gal who is a 5, so that doesn't compute. Also, there are no 9.75 guys on dating apps because they don't need an app to attract women. I jumped to marriage because that's the goal for most of the women who want children. If women only want guys who are a 10...how come so many sub-8 men are dating and marrying?
@@natashadickson4819 No, the problem is that women rate a guy who is a 9 as average and an 8 is ugly. If women only like the top 4.5% of men, then the AVERAGE man who gets a date is a 9.75. Do the math.
In Aaron Clarey podcast where I first heard SA. Tried it and had no regret. Save time and money. We all pay anyway. That doesn't mean I have to relax and not work for myself but gives me a release from that sexual anxiety thirst while I build wealth, fitness and go out meet people.
I profoundly AGREE with you on all of these points! Seriously great advice, Troy. I rode that fine line in several relationships and had to find the right balance. My only addition to the conversation is to say that how you start a relationship will carry on throughout your relationship. If certain standards of expectations are established early on, they will likely be the standard years later. In all likelihood, much more will be expected once you are in a committed relationship. Ideally for a man, the less you need to provide initially to “secure” the woman, the better.
Frankly all the game on TH-cam doesn’t provide the same amount of leverage with a very attractive, 25 yo woman the same way that money does.
If you’re not looking for a wife I don’t see the problem
Not true in most cases, unless you’re meeting the wrong women?
The older men with a good physique and looks good for his age isn't any less physically attractive than a younger man. In fact his sexual attraction goes up with age, because he's learned game and confidence from life experience, trial and error. James Bond is a good example, even if he's fictional.
To a point
@@GUITARTIME2024 agreed, “to a point” is right. There can be a very slow drop off, but the drop off is still there.
If that was true, they would not have to pay for a sugar baby.
I personally think sugar babies are too expensive for what it's worth, I rather pay a high priced escort if I only have those two options at hand
Just make sure you are taking good care of your own financial future at the same time
As you certainly know, there is such a thing as reverse sugar dating, where the girl financially "rewards" a guy for being her pretend boyfriend. It's a novelty, but a lot of fun being in that position as a man. And by the way, the guy never asks for anything. He can, actually, be quite well off and doesn't need her money; she likely provides for him in this way simply to ensure he'll stay around and be there for her, and the money keeps the relationship transactional, lacking deep emotional ties, rather than a romantic, loving bond.
Dangle the money in front of them but don't spend it... We'll, VERY occasionally only.
From Western Australia
Dangle the hope of sex and don't give it.
Time is money
It's old man game..ol pimps and playa's use it on new prospects all the time
😉😉
Why would men go that far in paying for a woman's lifestyle. That means they are totally dependent on you. Why go waste all that money . There lots of Escorts out there.
Different levels of engagement exist bro
The prostitute doesn't offer companionship. The sugar baby gives him the "girlfriend experience" or the "girlfriend effect".
Troy..if you did an honest assessment of American dating market you could gain credibility but I don't see it coming and your inviting harsh criticism.
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