This Invention Could Supercharge Solar Panels

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  • @UndecidedMF
    @UndecidedMF  ปีที่แล้ว +112

    Do you think AGILE will catch on and make a difference with solar? Visit brilliant.org/undecided to sign up for free. And also, the first 200 people will get 20% off their annual premium membership. If you liked this video, check out:
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    • @mohammadhadinosrati6788
      @mohammadhadinosrati6788 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Please add persian (farsi) subtitle to your videos 🙏

    • @AndreSomers
      @AndreSomers ปีที่แล้ว +25

      I really miss you also addressing the downsides or (unsolved) potential problems of the technologies you discuss. You seem to be extremely optimistic about basically every technology you discuss, but you seldom touch on potential problems in any depth. Here, the technology only makes sense if the combination of a small but expensive multi-layer cell + the concentrator lens on top can be produced cheaper per Kw generated as a conventional cell for the same area, or there is at least the outlook that that can be reached. Or, if it would enable specific niche applications that are not worth it or not possible now, but you don't really discuss either. Also, you don't discuss how panels like this deal with heat. The concentrators will also make the heat concentrated on these small, expensive cells. If a normal cell on a sunny summer day reaches 50-60 degrees C, what kinds of temperatures do the cells using a 10-100x magnifier on top have to deal with? Can they? Is that a fire hazard?

    • @kytddjj
      @kytddjj ปีที่แล้ว

      x

    • @Johnrich395
      @Johnrich395 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Here’s a funny thing, this tech was “invented” in the TV show “Medium” by the Husband. The show is from the early 00’s. It was supposed to be so efficient that it could work with moonlight.

    • @hyfy-tr2jy
      @hyfy-tr2jy ปีที่แล้ว +10

      No....one word... .HEAT

  • @paulrpg
    @paulrpg ปีที่แล้ว +1017

    I worked on a similar tech in my research lab around 8 years ago. The main benefit of a low concentrator PV is increased efficiency at suboptimal angles. The numbers were often muddy - you can get twice the energy per square meter of PV panel, sure, but when you ultimately use less PV panel (as a lot of room is taken up by the concentrator) then its a moot point. The biggest limiting factor is that the greatest degradation factor for PV panels is their operating temperature - when you concentrate, they will get hotter causing them to degrade faster.
    Our research was specifically looking at ways to extract thermal energy from a domestic scale solar concentrator. This was to (1) cool the panels (2) extract some thermal energy for hot water tank pre-heating and (3) prolong the life of the panel. It was ultimately not deemed cost effective. You could double or triple the life of the panel but you have massively increased your installation cost, so it would likely be cheaper to replace the panels every 10-15 years.

    • @UndecidedMF
      @UndecidedMF  ปีที่แล้ว +119

      Thanks for sharing your insights!

    • @sybrandwoudstra9236
      @sybrandwoudstra9236 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      This system looks incredibly similair to the photosynthesis system in plants, maybe your insights about these kind of solar panels could be used to reduce heat stress on plants in warm conditions. However, these photosystems in plants are made up of proteins which of course degrade over time and are incredibly heat sensitive. Maybe something could come from this.

    • @mookfaru835
      @mookfaru835 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yea I had the same conclusion.

    • @robsengahay5614
      @robsengahay5614 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      I hoped someone would bring up the overheating issue.

    • @finddeniro
      @finddeniro ปีที่แล้ว +4

      T r a s h Tech..?

  • @jhonatancock2302
    @jhonatancock2302 ปีที่แล้ว +1227

    Every lab technology always promises "reduced cost, easy manufacturing" until they have to manufacture the thing and discover the cost is higher and is harder to manufacture at scale.

    • @Hjernespreng
      @Hjernespreng ปีที่แล้ว +212

      You realize that the efficiency of solar has gone up while costs go down year over year BECAUSE OF stuff like this, right?

    • @erickzts
      @erickzts ปีที่แล้ว +70

      Those are engineering problems that just need the right conditions to be solve all it takes is time and money, a lot easier than the research and development already done

    • @invictusinmoralis6953
      @invictusinmoralis6953 ปีที่แล้ว +109

      ​@@Hjernespreng Efficiency sure, price, nope. Price of PV has gone down because most of the panels are manufactured in China with subsidies, low labor cost and no environmental laws. Panels made in other countries are still expensive.
      By the way, this guys are high on their own gases, 3d printing doesn't make something cheap or scalabe.

    • @jhonatancock2302
      @jhonatancock2302 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      @@erickzts everyone always handwave "engineering problems" over the basic research problems, until they have to manufacture at scale, at a price point and under certain quality. If everything was so easy to take out of the lab, we should have hundreds of battery technologies circulating around, but we don't.

    • @highlander723
      @highlander723 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      No the man has a point How many laboratory technologies have we seen that suddenly disappear.

  • @niv8880
    @niv8880 ปีที่แล้ว +108

    I mechanised my panels using linear motors and a raspberry pi and I noticed quite an improvement tracking the sun. Beefing up the whole installation over the next few months - very therapeutic seeing the Kw/h being home grown vs the rip off energy companies that are shafting us in the UK & EU currently. Also I don't use a sensor, mine is math based using longitude, latitude and date - credit to the egg heads that wrote the original Python code I plagerised - I wish I was that clever!

    • @huntera123
      @huntera123 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is not the power utilities ripping you off. It is insane energy policies pushed by extremists ripping you off.

    • @johnslugger
      @johnslugger ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Solar tracking kills solar panel life span. No free rides.

    • @niv8880
      @niv8880 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@johnslugger In the UK/EU with energy prices through the roof, I'm not sure what the trade-off is. I've got more electricity than I can use parts of some days, it's not cost effective selling it back to the grid so I'm building a sand battery in a disused sauna to offset cost of gas.

    • @anontheshade
      @anontheshade ปีที่แล้ว +11

      you were still smart enough to setup a tracking solar panel with an R-pi...your doing fine my man

    • @chrisbraswell8864
      @chrisbraswell8864 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Very clever and this is the best way to increase solar panel output.

  • @karlmahlmann
    @karlmahlmann ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I could see why this improvement would be very applicable to solar-powered yachts, where most of the panels are, necessarily, pointing straight up. Your videos are always excellent.

  • @mgutkowski
    @mgutkowski ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Agile clearly also has a larger front area than that of the cells beneath, so aren't we back where we started? Unless the focusing lens thingy costs less than the equivalent change on area in solar cells, it's self defeating.
    Another issue with a field of tracking panels is that they must be spaced apart in order to prevent them shading each other. So you reduce the total area of panels at the same time as increasing their output. A classic trade-off

    • @ShadowlessDeath47
      @ShadowlessDeath47 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ALL of the concentrated cells have smaller cells than traditional PV. The mirrors, the lenses, each takes up more space than the cell itself. However, with concentrated cells touting twice the efficiency of a traditional cell in addition to 3x concentration (not to mention improved angles at all hours of the day) it's undoubtedly more efficient than traditional cells in terms of power/area.

    • @mgutkowski
      @mgutkowski ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ShadowlessDeath47 they can't tout twice the efficiency before the lens is in place because such technology doesn't yet exist.

    • @technomicah
      @technomicah ปีที่แล้ว

      The concept is definitely necessary to increase efficiency.
      Let's also consider these cells are processing more energy and will burn out faster than typical cells.
      With enough motivation I'm sure that Agile will eventually figure it out

    • @revlouch
      @revlouch ปีที่แล้ว

      So fun fact, unless it’s a novel object, it will have losses. Most cells convert energy into electricity via diffusion of photonic bombardment throughout the day. This process isn’t perfect and creates heat; the color of the cell absorbs some of the light too more heat; but then we add a glass array on top? Well I’d think a dome would work better than half of a retro reflective array for the given purpose. Collect more light from more angles. But small issue. That makes more heat. And as that heat goes up it can impact efficiency of generation. So that’s the challenge. Not exceeding ambient cooling capabilities. Because if we cooled it then that cuts into whatever gains we make because of the energy it takes to remove the excess heat.

    • @revlouch
      @revlouch ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh and the lens would absorb some of the energy too as heat changing it’s reflective/refractive qualities as it expands

  • @bobgreene2892
    @bobgreene2892 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Outstanding clarity and very relevant to those looking at the rapidly-evolving solar market.
    Your drone sequence showing the solar panels of your house is every effective. You demonstrate solar can offer advantages, despite unfavorable factors.

  • @KevinCoop1
    @KevinCoop1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The first Solar job I designed the electrical system for was CPV. Dual axis trackers and to point exactly at the sun. You are correct, efficiency is extremely important going forward! Shading is a big solar system killer.

  • @onlymise2758
    @onlymise2758 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Mr Ferrell . Mark here from Dublin Ireland ..... Your channel is the 1st and only one I have ever subscribed to .... I install PV's for a living , On average (10/12 )hrs a day ... The knowledge and honesty is truly refreshing . I genuinely look forward to the videos you produce , they are a joy after a long days work .... please keep up the good work & thank you

    • @UndecidedMF
      @UndecidedMF  ปีที่แล้ว

      Appreciate that! Thanks for watching.

  • @kitteecatt4681
    @kitteecatt4681 ปีที่แล้ว +134

    something i find incredibly interesting is how this system could be a part of a design which integrate these and the negative space that they provide in between the solar cells for very small, very high efficiency thermal conduits that whisk away the concrentrated heat from the reflective materials and mini cells, being further connected to a home heat pump system

    • @AnthonyMuscio
      @AnthonyMuscio ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Some single access trackers do thermal capture as well, the trough focuses light on a thin strip of photovoltaics with a pipe behind it to carry away heat and keep the cells at an efficient operating temperature.

    • @fixandtests
      @fixandtests ปีที่แล้ว +7

      There are solar panels available that do have water/fluid running in the backside of the panel, it cools the panel and heats the water/fluid . Used in colder parts of Asia to keep the pool at a pleasant temperature, heating systems etc. Very easy to setup , inlet outlet and on . the total energy output of the solar panel is very good

    • @kitteecatt4681
      @kitteecatt4681 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@fixandtests sure but that’s still an ineffective thermal dynamic. heat is being generated on the face of the panel, migrating through the sensitive materials, and into your heat transfer system. with these there’s enough empty space between the heat generating cell circuitry and reflective equipment to house a thermal conduit with peak heat transfer capacity. higher heat output on one end and more efficient solar panels on the other.

    • @valkyriefrost5301
      @valkyriefrost5301 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      It's always been my thought that it would be better to apply a long wave infrared reflector on the outer surface to avoid the majority of the heat issue. As most cells work in the short wave infrared to red spectrum.

    • @FalkonNightsdale
      @FalkonNightsdale ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@kitteecatt4681 It could be coupled with heat pump, sacrificing a bit of energy for better managed heating of the house under it…

  • @GamerForLifeDrakunia
    @GamerForLifeDrakunia ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What an incredibly useful red arrow! Thanks!

  • @juliemelville2945
    @juliemelville2945 ปีที่แล้ว

    DANG - your viewership is smart! I get so much education out of the comments, with many flyovers. As a grad student in business sustainability transformation I may not know the way a prism grabs more light, nor the 5 layer part, but I enjoy soaking up as much as I can. I’ll be guiding businesses or cooperatives in ways to do just this sort of thing. Thank you and thanks to Brilliant. Love the courses.

  • @kitersrefuge7353
    @kitersrefuge7353 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your presentations are so comprehensive, and so data rich and so fast in delivery, my brain blows a fuse at regular speed after about 5 minutes. I have to revert to playback at 0.75 or 0.5...need something in between those settings for optimal, non-barin-fuse-blowing...LOL...thank you!

  • @mungewell
    @mungewell ปีที่แล้ว +33

    One thing that you didn't mention is Winter! Maybe not for your location, but for my system in Canada a steep panel angle, low temps and snow on the ground can actually boost the panels output significantly - doesn't make up for the shorter days though. I also don't use a tracker, as the location is actually very windy. The risk of wind damage is a grave concern.

    • @Brendakye2468
      @Brendakye2468 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You are correct in stating that light reflecting off of the snow did boost the energy production significantly, it's important to note that that boost is in reference to the expected amount of energy to be produced given the conditions.
      Energy production in winter in Canada still sees significant decreases in peak production relative to summer months to the point that an experiment out of Edmonton found that snow covering the panels only had an approximately 3% observed decrease in energy production relative to panels that had snow removed. 3% isn't a lot
      Edit: corrected the power production value to 3% from 5%

    • @WhoStoleMyAlias
      @WhoStoleMyAlias ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yep. You'd almost think that everyone being so enthusiastic about solar is living in the subtropical area. Where I live we lose around nine hours of daylight time between summer and winter and it is pretty obvious that the energy contained in the solar radiation itself is also a lot less because it is cold outside. In my view scientists should concentrate more on fixating the position of Earth towards the Sun then try to generate more electric power when the total demand is already met at optimal times.

    • @royce9018
      @royce9018 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WhoStoleMyAlias ...?

    • @mnomadvfx
      @mnomadvfx 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If snow already boosts your solar output then getchu some proper mirrors for a year round boost.
      Snow is reflecting lots of light sure, but likely in a diffuse way diminishing the benefits vs a proper mirror.
      Even some cheap aluminium foil based mirrors stretched flat over plywood would ante up.
      Just be careful not to give it concave curvature, else you get a parabolic mirror effect concentrating the light in a smaller spot, and potentially setting something on fire 😅

    • @mnomadvfx
      @mnomadvfx 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@WhoStoleMyAlias
      "In my view scientists should concentrate more on fixating the position of Earth towards the Sun"
      Have you heard of space based solar?
      One benefit of this is that (depending on elevation) it can receive solar energy even during night time on Earth and beam it back to the surface using ultra high output microwave generators.

  • @numhold
    @numhold ปีที่แล้ว +36

    The first thought that came to my mind when I saw the rendering was: „Man, that stuff looks heavy!“
    When solar panels get mounted on old roofs that were originally built without PV in mind, weight becomes a deciding factor. Do you have any data on the actual weight of these lenses?

    • @lenwhatever4187
      @lenwhatever4187 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      weight will depend on the materials used. current flat panels use glass but from the information in the video it appears these lens will be plastics of some sort (3d printable) and so lighter, perhaps even lighter than current panels. However, plastics and UV light generally don't go well together. For example, current flat panels can last for decades while flexible panels are only rated for 5 years because the plastic sun gathering surface is a polymer that become opaque with the time spent in the sun.

    • @lordsqueak
      @lordsqueak ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, I was thinking the same. Even using plastic, which would be cheaper to use anyway, it's going to increase weight. That could be a limiting factor on some places.
      However, If I understand how they work correctly, they will focus not only the optimal angle light, but all light from all sides. So theoretically they could be more efficient than tracking. Which does make them quite interesting.

    • @midnight8341
      @midnight8341 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lenwhatever4187 you can use titanium dioxide doped polycarbonate as a UV resistant top layer, though. Or even use one of the new co-polymers for photon-downconversion and convert the UV photons into usable longer wavelengths that can be absorbed by the solar cell.

    • @trojanthedog
      @trojanthedog ปีที่แล้ว

      Thinking Alon will be a good replacement for glass when it becomes more mass produced.

  • @coroyo70
    @coroyo70 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    All your videos are excellent. I don't know if you have a degree in pedagogy or something, but it's just a sharp contrast from all the rest of junk chanels that tyr and fail to do what you do every day.
    Your videos grab you bay tha hand and fill you in from 0-100 of a whatever the subject matter is. Clear, concise, perfect diction and information.
    I'm studying for my architectural registration exam, and your videos on solar, heat pumps, and general residential MEP systems have been invaluable to my success in my exams.
    Please keep it up. If I had more money, I would join your patron

  • @davestagner
    @davestagner ปีที่แล้ว

    Appreciate the cost-based explanation of rotation-based systems. That sort of data is really helpful!

  • @Lantalia
    @Lantalia ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The real win would be combining concentration and frequency separation, so you can have a patch of PV optimized for each frequency band, and outright reflect anything below the lowest useful frequency to reduce heat buildup

    • @funkybuddha2448
      @funkybuddha2448 ปีที่แล้ว

      that sounds rather interesting. How would it be practically, and economically, done?

    • @Lantalia
      @Lantalia ปีที่แล้ว

      @@funkybuddha2448 practically? No clue, but the optics, in theory, aren't too complicated. First, recognize that sunlight, while spherical is, at our distance, effectively planer, with all of the rays being parallel, so a lens and it's inverse can concentrate it into a parallel beam, second, run it through a prism to spread out the beam by frequency, onto patches of pv tuned to particular frequencies. Downside: the prism effectively reverses some of the concentration; you would need some sort of sun tracking to maintain beam and prism alignment
      Upside, the pv patches can each be single layer with a reflective backing, and can use a variety of technologies
      You could probably manage the sun tracking via a pair of internal mirrors, and depending on the usful frequency ranges, handle the concentrator lenses with Fresnel's
      The optics alone can probably get up to 90% efficiency, so the overall efficiency is likely dictated by the variety of individual components, their efficiencies within the frequency bands they are exposed to, and the annoyance that the sun isn't actually a point source and has a measurable disk
      The other annoyance is the assemblage would likely be bulky, and, considering it hasn't actually been done, the optics may be more expensive than the photovoltaics the effectively replace

    • @edeaglehouse2221
      @edeaglehouse2221 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Simple answer: metallic window films aka "tinting". More complicated answer: nano-structured materials have been proven in labs to filter specific wavelengths of light and control thermal transmission.

  • @ipopus2
    @ipopus2 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    As a mathematician, I'm really skeptical. If you don't move your panel facing the sun, you don't get more surface capturing sunrays. The only purpose of this concept is to get sunrays hitting perpendicularly the cell. A very small improvement ...

    • @zfolwick
      @zfolwick ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I suspect that solar cells can only absorb a few percent of the available rays. I think that increasing the surface area of solar panels without increasing the required footprint might result in better efficiency.

    • @skizmo1905
      @skizmo1905 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is a matt ferrell channel... it's fucking nonsense.

    • @ecospider5
      @ecospider5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I was thinking the same thing. If you have a 1sq meter panel at 20 degree tilt putting concentrators on doesn’t change how much sun energy is hitting that 1sq meter.

    • @stanbinary
      @stanbinary ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ecospider5 we are going to the same thing: when you concentrate is the PV the best fit as technology. It absorbs the upper side of the spectrum and the infrared spectrum converts to unnecessary heat which needs to be dissipated. Good discussion: :)

    • @stefanr8232
      @stefanr8232 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      It enhances the energy per chip. Not the energy per roof surface area. Cheap recyclable plastic not silicon wafer and rare earth elements.

  • @Muffinman9
    @Muffinman9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow congrats on 1 million subscribers!! Been following your videos for years. Always quality content.

  • @KRWoodworks
    @KRWoodworks ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I worked for Mobil Tyco Solar Energy in the 70s. We were building PV concentrators back then albeit a different design. They were linear with extruded fresnel lenses to focus the light.

  • @k.sullivan6303
    @k.sullivan6303 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    This was a good and interesting video Matt. Myself and others have thought about this idea in the past. My thoughts were equivalent to a magnifying glass over the solar panel. I remember that the problem many DYI people who were trying to get better performance out of their panels was overheating the panels and ruining them in a short time. Surely this new process that is being experimented with has taken that challenge into consideration. It would be interesting to know about how they are dealing with that overheating issue. Thanks for the video Matt.

    • @SirDargonite
      @SirDargonite ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I too am looking forward to development of this tech and fantasize about the small scale/ personal implications.

    • @maschwerer
      @maschwerer ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’ve always wondered why panels don’t use cmos senor design with wide lenses over the array to capture non-tangential light.

    • @YodaWhat
      @YodaWhat ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There _are_ PV cells and panels which use a simple 'magnifying glass' kind of lens over the semiconductor. They have existed from the beginning of PV power. _This thing is not that!_
      A simple lens will NOT properly concentrate light that comes in off the central optical axis. So that simple, old-fashioned kind still require solar tracking... the most expensive kind, 2-axis tracking. Even that is NO help when the sky is milky. This Graded Index Non-imaging Light Concentrator does NOT require tracking. It DOES work even when the sky is milky. That is what makes it interesting.

    • @k.sullivan6303
      @k.sullivan6303 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SirDargonite This guy is special! Welcome to the SPECIAL K club!
      LOL...Special K was my favorite cereal for many years.

    • @EdBruceWRX
      @EdBruceWRX ปีที่แล้ว

      Is there a way to capture that heat. Use it with some kind of heat pump?

  • @patriekbruurs3424
    @patriekbruurs3424 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    One fundamental problem with fixed solar panels is that the effective area (i.e. the area perpendicular to the rays of sun which cover the solar panels) will decrease as the sun moves during the day, like you explain well in the beginning of the video. These lenses will not fix this issue and the performance will still decrease a lot when the rays of the sun are not perpendicular as it has no effect at all on the effective area of the incoming sun rays.
    8:42 wtf? This is just wrong interpretation of the numbers. Efficiency should always be with respect to the area of the panels, not with respect of the electric power producing area.

    • @RikkerdHZ
      @RikkerdHZ ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Thanks for pointing this out. You can't get 10x - 100x more power out of the same surface area compared to normal PV panels.

    • @alexbillingham9593
      @alexbillingham9593 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yea when he said that I imediately knew he was off. The benefits of using smaller pv cells like this is they can be made with less crystaline imperfections and more expensive materials as not as much is needed. It should also be pointed out that PV cells can be made more efficient with higher concentrations of light so that for the same area of energy collection more electrisity is generated but it maxes out at around 2x the efficiency, not 10 - 100x.

    • @Quickened1
      @Quickened1 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The AGILE system compensates for angularity by using prismatic lenses to concentrate the sun's rays at a maximum, regardless of the sun's position!

    • @GD-mw1kd
      @GD-mw1kd ปีที่แล้ว

      In addition to the argument of energy collection is directly proportional to surface area... the concentration of sunlight will produce more heat and the PV modules will be prone to early degradation.

    • @patriekbruurs3424
      @patriekbruurs3424 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Quickened1 Yes, it does compensate for angularity effect of the rays hitting the solar panel, but the effect is marginal compared to the difference between the effective area of the sun rays and the area of the solar panels, the is just less sun rays hitting the solar panel when the panels are not perpendicular to the sun rays. The latter effect still holds for AGILE.

  • @mattnelson1716
    @mattnelson1716 ปีที่แล้ว

    Congrats on a milli subs, well deserved!

  • @bosstowndynamics5488
    @bosstowndynamics5488 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Technically the best orientation for maximum power production is North/South, but I have seen it argued that West facing panels do have one significant advantage in that they produce a bit more peak power in the evening when demand peaks and North/South panels sag a bit. This is particularly useful at the moment where storage is possible but non trivial at large scale. If you've got multiple directions of panels you need a more sophisticated inverter setup though to maximise output at any given moment.

  • @johndoh5182
    @johndoh5182 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    If you want efficiency for movement, write an algorithm to move the panels instead of using sensors. If you have to have a system that's always active that wastes energy. If you program movement, you could probably move the panels 6 times in the day and it's good enough to be near max efficient.
    And this is where my comment about being within 10 degree of the equator comes in. The day lengths are pretty close throughout the year. You can program 6 position changes and then a reset and it's good all year long.
    If you're in the ares outside the tropics (latitude) then tilt angle for N. and S. has to change a few times during the year and the day lengths vary more. It could still be programmed so you don't have to use sensors, but now you need a table to reference. Since this is without sensors you don't get a situation of panels chasing the sun.
    With a fixed tracking of E. to W., anyone who is electrically inclined could mount panels in a group and with motors and hydraulics could build the entire system. If you've built you're own home, you could even roof mount this like over a garage. In which case, you've provided the necessary strength to the structures to take the weight of the panels. You could probably run about 12 panels this way, and then you'd have to install another 12 panels somewhere else.
    This is the build I plan to do.

    • @randybobandy9828
      @randybobandy9828 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The sensors are not where the cost comes from. It's the actual structure and motors that move the panels that make it expensive.

  • @glennwoolum9457
    @glennwoolum9457 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    This certainly looks like a great idea. I have to wonder about the maintenance/longevity of the lenses. My experience with optical polymers shows issues with scratching/fogging over time. Would they need to be repolished every year? What about polymer breakdown under the all-day intense sun? Thanks for coverage of this topic.

  • @djjahmali4870
    @djjahmali4870 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you very much for speaking in a nice manner. That sounds like you actually enjoy what you're talking about. I'll be looking into this brilliant course. Thank you very much and love what you're doing. I'm a look at the older videos too

  • @elmojito
    @elmojito ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It is amazing how expensive FV installations are in the US. I just signed today for an addition to my existing installation - 14/455W Canadian Solar HiKu panels coupled to a Fronius SYMO 5kW inverter, including 2 TIGO optimizers, and everything on the roof AND 21%VAT for 8,400€/$8,400 ($1.33/W vs what you show of $3.25 - more than twice as expensive).

  • @hobblyjig
    @hobblyjig ปีที่แล้ว +4

    One question I had that wasn't addressed is regarding efficiency and heat. Currently I've noticed large differences in production related to the temperature in my own system. Would the AGILE system be more or less sensitive to changes in efficiency related to temperature?

  • @tortysoft
    @tortysoft ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I came up with this concept myself thirty years ago. I attempted to patent it prior to producing a working model. I had proved the concept with small scale experiments - all was good - except for the cost of even a patent search. A patent itself was prohibitive let alone attempting a full size collector. My design was not fully usable at the time due to the non-invention of 3D printers and the lack of affordable high quality concentrator transparent material - I used fresnel lenses and marbles.
    An advance on this concept was for the light to be amalgamated by using a system of light guides in a hub formation leading to a fibre cable. This cable would transfer the light energy to a radiator panel - which would be an almost exact copy of the collector but used as a distributor. I called it a Portable Window. No energy cost in use at all. No tracking issues and no pesky conversion to electricity - natural light wherever you want it. I still think this is a brilliant idea even all these decades later,. Really irritating that I could not get it off the ground - even more so that no one else has yet either !

    • @hyfy-tr2jy
      @hyfy-tr2jy ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Sir, these do exist, they are called fiber optic skylights.

    • @manuelramos5869
      @manuelramos5869 ปีที่แล้ว

      The cost to patent is always a barrier to innovation. It is a pretty bad designed process.
      I recall I have come to the conclusion 10 years ago that doing a inverted pyramid of 15 degrees of inclination was too much trouble. 15 degrees is the appropriate angle to get all the light in and nothing out. The problem is that you are going to need a lot of material to make the device to work well. Who is going to put that big and heavy thing in your roof?

    • @tatradak
      @tatradak ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Don't tell me about patent costs...nearly bankrupted myself over a single patent application!!

    • @michiganengineer8621
      @michiganengineer8621 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@hyfy-tr2jy I was thinking SolaTubes myself. Although those are even simpler since there are no fiber-optics involved, simply a reflective tube mounted between the skylight on the roof and the light panel below.

    • @skizmo1905
      @skizmo1905 ปีที่แล้ว

      ... and 30 years later it still isn't made... BECAUSE IT'S BULLSHIT.

  • @gefginn3699
    @gefginn3699 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great post my friend. I think this is an exciting direction... looks promising.

  • @craigarnold1212
    @craigarnold1212 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Itek panels I installed 9 years ago put a row of glass bumps, about 1/8" wide by 1/2" long, on the inside of the glass above each cell to improve collection in the PNW. My main roof is S but the pitch of the roof is 2' in 15'. Great for the summer solstice when the sun arcs just a bit north of me for a few days. My 4.85 kW system [260 W panels] puts out 5.1MWh a year on average. Because of a great state program that treated me like a power company I got production credits for 6 years for buying all system parts made in the state. As of the first of the month it turned 9 and I am in the green. It supplies 1/3 of my power needs annually.
    I should be able to update the panels to 320 for the same size panel and get close to 6kWh. Would be nice if it would get me some of the fed incentives and allow to also cover installing batteries. Hard to believe that battery packs are not a separate item for a tax credit. But I will have a fair amount of wiring to set up two charging stations in the carport and possibly a new power panel and just enough batteries with my panels going to Ecoflow's. I am going to give it about 18 months for the tech or the legislation to change before I lock in what I will really do.
    I did my first solar tour many years ago and one home was owned by a power company worker. He found old satellite dishes out of use and offered money [$ depending on if the tracker motor and controls worked] and would remove them. Scraped most of the dish and built a frame and welded it. Mounted a simple solar eye to move the panels horizontal [with no light it would reset to the east] and adjusted the tilt angle 4 times per year. They all ran to a shed with lead acid marine batteries and was selling power to his former employer. He had 5 in a field across from his house. The most expensive was $350. Hard to find these days.

  • @EsotericArctos
    @EsotericArctos ปีที่แล้ว +15

    This is an interesting development in PV technology. I look forward to seeing where this can go, but in conjunction with Solar Panels, we need stability, such as battery or some kind of storage as once the sun is gone, the power is gone. I see that where I live (Victoria, Australia) In the middle of the day on a really sunny day the wholesale price of electricty can sometimes be negative (as in get paid to use power) because so much solar is being generated, but once the sun is gone, the reliance on fossil fuel comes back, with the more expensive price.
    We really need to look at storage and solar as being a compulsory pair.

    • @UndecidedMF
      @UndecidedMF  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thanks for the comment. Agree 100% ... energy storage is key.

    • @SaveMoneySavethePlanet
      @SaveMoneySavethePlanet ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The intermittency issue is one of the reasons why solar and wind together are the renewable energy sources that get the most research.
      As the sun goes down and solar panels become less efficient, wind almost always picks up for a couple of hours which lets wind turbines supply us until bed time.
      And of course, this is why almost everyone wants nuclear, tidal, and geothermal energy production to make up 10-20% of electricity production. That would provide an excellent steady backbone to ensure that we don’t constantly have rolling blackouts.

    • @EsotericArctos
      @EsotericArctos ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SaveMoneySavethePlanet In the modern world, a reliable 24hour power supply is needed. Where I am, the wind usually gets up in what would be the "off peak" times, after bedtime. Unfortunately the evening peak time is very reliant on fossil fuel at the moment here. This is where storage cells of some kind would help. If we could store some of the excess solar from during the day to release it during the peak, we would just about get by without needing fossil or nuclear. Tidal could be interesting to just provide that little top up though :)

    • @b33thr33kay
      @b33thr33kay ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@UndecidedMF A robust interconnected grid is also critical, to move power from where the wind is blowing and the sun is shining to where it's not.

    • @SaveMoneySavethePlanet
      @SaveMoneySavethePlanet ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@EsotericArctos sorry, I got excited and didn’t mean to make it sound like storage isn’t needed at all. Strong storage systems are definitely needed across the board in order to reduce the amount of “just in case” generation that we install

  • @hatac
    @hatac ปีที่แล้ว +3

    In Australia we have a percentage of the solar arrays facing east and west for another reason. While its less optimal at noon it helps meet the dawn and dusk spikes, providing more power at those times than the noon optimized units do. The demand curves in most countries do not peak at noon.

  • @Jerry-vh8xn
    @Jerry-vh8xn ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool stuff Man ! Can't wait to see the new stuff come out !!!

  • @lucreciomacuacua661
    @lucreciomacuacua661 ปีที่แล้ว

    Spectacular new idea indeed!
    Thank you for keeping covering such interesting subjects… with the professionalism and deepen of same
    Regards from Mozambique

  • @Dragonorder18
    @Dragonorder18 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I often wondered if options like light focusing domes and/or curves to just push the Light into a focus, even if the Sun is not at an ideal angle for a flat panel. The light would generally be focused into a finer area. The Agile design definitely sounds like a great method there, and it just needs time to be implemented effectively. That definitely makes an impact towards better production of solar energy. Though storage is still the long term issue.

    • @terminathor2160
      @terminathor2160 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sodium batteries r the way to go. They have pros & cons but safety makes them far better for homes (since size isn't a Problem). Total Cost while considering the total life charge cycles (with size & safety also factored in) = money $aver.

    • @MrJdsenior
      @MrJdsenior ปีที่แล้ว

      They've been doing this on certain types of systems for a very long time. Check out the focused parabolic reflectors that heat some material in a tube at the focus, water will work. Also, go look up heliostats. Now THAT is some focusing, there is one that is HUMONGOUS, many acres worth of mirror. You would be instantaneously fried if you stood at that focal point. And it generates a LOT of watts. I don't remember if they use water and a steam turbine in that one. Might be some other fluid.

  • @domenicobarillari2046
    @domenicobarillari2046 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Hello Matt
    and thanks for this nice update. The thing that strikes me as just as problematic as the heat issues discussed by the other viewers is the geometric optics issue. Shrinking the superficial area of the cell to try to recover collection effect will quickly prove self defeating unless the commensurate increase in the intrinsic efficiency of ultimate conversion device - your "super solar cells" - grows quickly. Indeed, the Louisville theorem (used in light pipe design for nuclear detectors), suggest you cannot win the game of trading frontal collection area for some sort of concentrator optic - this is why astronomical telescopes must increasingly grow in area (although better CCD sensor DO help with claiming more sensitivity). Sounds, as you suggested, like a niche interest in this.
    with respect
    DK.Barillari

    • @UndecidedMF
      @UndecidedMF  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Great comment and feedback. Thanks.

    • @simonmasbaum8399
      @simonmasbaum8399 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I had the same thought from the start. In lay terms, what's the point of having less actual PV cells if they still need the same surface area? Sure, the overall cost might come down, but such benefits would be marginal at best. After viewing, the main benefit seems to be less loss of efficiency at suboptimal angles. So the real question seems to be whether that benefit is worth the extra cost in a given setup. Hopefully maturation of the tech will ease such margins.

    • @HuntingTarg
      @HuntingTarg ปีที่แล้ว

      @@simonmasbaum8399 "...the main benefit seems to be less loss of efficiency at suboptimal angles."
      I think that that's the point, not to increase gains, but reduce (energy and economic) losses. The reduction of effective surface area is still a problem though.

    • @matthewnewton9129
      @matthewnewton9129 ปีที่แล้ว

      Unless I misunderstood, they have increased conversion from around 22% to 40%. I don’t know if that’s due to increased light or the mj cells, or what conversion they would get just using a full module of mj cells.

    • @skizmo1905
      @skizmo1905 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@UndecidedMF close this channel down you liar.

  • @danlavigueur2648
    @danlavigueur2648 ปีที่แล้ว

    awesome information Matt. Would you happen to know if the lifespan ratio of the CPV and AGILE is shorter than standard the solar panel, since it's concentrate light to the solar cell? Thanks

  • @imjody
    @imjody ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you, Agile! Great work. :) Such an obvious thing to do. I wish them all the best, and hope we can really amp up solar consumption. 😎

  • @audriusbaranauskas5759
    @audriusbaranauskas5759 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Recently I was looking into solar power and wondered why automated tilting mechanisms are used more for solar panels.
    Its good to actually see the installation / efficiency / maintenance costs. Apparently its cheaper just to buy more panels.

    • @johnborton4522
      @johnborton4522 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Single axis trackers dominate the US utility scale solar installations. Not sure why he downplays them except that his viewer demographics likely skew more to the home installation user and in that case trackers are not often practical.

    • @remyllebeau77
      @remyllebeau77 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Even for a home viewer, I'm not sure why there wouldn't be some sort of adjustment for summer vs winter. It doesn't have to be automatic with heavy equipment.

    • @johnborton4522
      @johnborton4522 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@remyllebeau77
      I've wondered that as well. I suppose some people might get hurt climbing up on their roofs twice a year? No idea.

    • @remyllebeau77
      @remyllebeau77 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@johnborton4522 Hmm, yeah.

    • @michiganengineer8621
      @michiganengineer8621 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@remyllebeau77 Look at the "Life Uncontained" channel here on TH-cam. They have a manual single axis (elevation) on their off-grid system, ground mounted, that seems to be working quite well for them. I think he adjusts the panels at least 4x a year. And best of all, it's all home built/designed.

  • @madpete6438
    @madpete6438 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I set my tilt angle to the winter sun angle - overall works really well. More energy when I need it.
    Solar trackers are great when you have limited space and desire max efficiency !

    • @christianvanderstap6257
      @christianvanderstap6257 ปีที่แล้ว

      And only.when you are out of space, an extra panel is likely cheaper if you count mechanical parts breaking.

    • @madpete6438
      @madpete6438 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@christianvanderstap6257 These devices, when well made really do not break - although they do require maintenance (like all mechanical devices).
      Also with the maturing of Rasberry Pie and Arduino, it is very possible to build your own - which is where I am going at the moment - using a wheelchair motor to turn a shaft and move the whole array on one axis - I have a row of sheds that point north but can not jam too much capacity on them...

    • @christianvanderstap6257
      @christianvanderstap6257 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@madpete6438 not worth the complication unless you really have to. Most panels for residential are on roofs.

    • @madpete6438
      @madpete6438 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@christianvanderstap6257 Exactly my point - I have 2x arrays on my roof and it is full - just need a bit more capacity for when the weather is shitty - and not enough room to do it - hence the solar tracker project in my workshop !
      Horses for courses cuz.

  • @SKy_the_Thunder
    @SKy_the_Thunder ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You won't magically get more energy out of the same lighted area because you focus it on smaller cells instead. The same area of surface will always receive the same amount of light, no matter if you use flat panels, tracking panels or lenses. It's just about the tradeoff how much surface area you need in solar cells.
    However, while this lensed assembly requires considerably less surface area of solar cells than a classic one, you additionally have to consider the extra cost for the lenses and precision assembly, the added weight that requires stronger support, as well as the efficiency loss and reduced longevity due to the heat issue. The classic flat, well ventilated panels already have heat issues as-is. Focusing 100-1000x the amount of light onto a tiny spot means that it will heat up 100-1000x as fast as well - that's in the lower ranges of those mirror tower assemblies that use the heat rather than the actual light to generate power...

  • @brucebaer1208
    @brucebaer1208 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As always the best written, produced, and delivered podcast ever. It answered a question that I have had for 40 years.

    • @skizmo1905
      @skizmo1905 ปีที่แล้ว

      ... and it is all a LIE.

  • @vermeerasia
    @vermeerasia ปีที่แล้ว +37

    AGILE is a classic idea used on sailing vessels in the form of deck prisms. It's amazing how much sunlight is brought belowdecks from a a few square inches of flat glass on deck level. It makes perfect sense that prismatic techniques could be applied to solar panels.

    • @snowstrobe
      @snowstrobe ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They look beautiful too.

    • @jenchan4817
      @jenchan4817 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was thinking the same thing, that agile sounds like a new version of good old deck prisms. There’s a lot to be said for looking at existing time tested technology and asking if it can be applied to new situations.

    • @bashful228
      @bashful228 ปีที่แล้ว

      those deck prisms can’t change the incidence of light that hits them. they would let the exact same amount of light pass through as open holes, but they’d also let the rain in. they might spread out the light a bit or focus it a bit but that’s it. you don’t get a free lunch with light waves.

  • @kilgary
    @kilgary ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What would be really cool is if AGILE lenses could be used as a retrofit for existing home solar installations- like getting new prescription glasses for your panels. If they could demonstrate cost/benefit efficiency increases to pay for themselves in under 5 years, I’d buy ‘em!

    • @mnomadvfx
      @mnomadvfx 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Very, very unlikely.
      #1. The retrofit alone would degrade an older system at least twice as fast - the panels might literally give out before you get your money back on the install/retrofit costs.
      #2. Concentrated PV without higher efficiency PV cells (tandem or multi junction cells) means too much solar energy is lost to heat, which in turn causes the panels to degrade faster still.
      #3. Concentrators start bigger and focus light on a smaller spot on each PV cell, which means the layout of your non CPV panels isn't going to work very well with it.
      Better to just buy the entire thing from scratch once your current PV setup gives out.
      If money is burning a hole in your pocket in the interim then get some domestic battery storage units instead which will allow you to get more out of what you already have.
      The increases in efficiency from PV and the increases in battery density plus the lowering costs of both for home setups is going to make the next few decades very interesting with the topsy turvy costs of fossil fuel derived power from corporate grid suppliers.

  • @hatac
    @hatac ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Putting a few modular batteries in the gaps between the inverted pyramids might be helpful. If they slide in and out on needing replacement. A PV panel with integrated battery storage would solve the day night problem but it would be heavier so the roof applications might be a problem. The lenses them selves may add enough weight to challenge some rooves.

  • @MKA667
    @MKA667 ปีที่แล้ว

    6:27 They don't use a tracker per module: in small solar farms usually a single row of modules is connected via two sets of rods: one set of rotating rods adjusts the tilt, while the other set slides to adjust the orientation.
    I've seen many of them in action in the fields nearby...

  • @michaellupton1593
    @michaellupton1593 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Could be a significant innovation for Solar power...still at the early stage of development but definitely looks extremely promising.
    We have had our Solar panels for just over a year and have been extremely pleased with the result. Any unused Solar electricity heats our hot water which has saved a small fortune as we used to use heating oil to heat the water...and oil is like liquid gold nowadays..
    Another good video Matt.

    • @Muck006
      @Muck006 ปีที่แล้ว

      "Early stage of development" isnt really correct ... because the "science" (the MATH on how to shape the funneling system) has been done and now it is a problem of "optimising the production process to make these things as cheap as possible". Having much smaller photovoltaic cells is one step, because they require to be "perfect/without any flaws" ... and smaller cells make it easier to get those from a batch of raw material. Layering the cells for different wavelengths adds another layer of efficiency on top of it.
      The best way would be to have a panel where the top / "light concentration layer" can be replaced in case there is a better version ...

  • @thirteenthandy
    @thirteenthandy ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is especially exciting for off-world applications like the moon and Mars, where other factors than pure materials cost are far more important. Cost per kg to orbit, efficiency, portability (ie: how big of solar panel you can realistically deliver to the surface), and reliability (no moving parts for trackers) are great features!

  • @asandax6
    @asandax6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice to see my ideas are inlined with the Geniuses. I've had an idea of concentrating solar with lenses like this ever since I learned refraction in physics class.

  • @winstonzeb2842
    @winstonzeb2842 ปีที่แล้ว

    I saw nearly this exact design in a TH-cam video about 6-7 years ago, I actually found this video searching for that video. However the magnifying lens in the other design was actually moving on x&y plane above the cell to adjust for angle.

  • @cadfael4598
    @cadfael4598 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Matt, there was a company back around 2010 that used solar concentrators and built an 8’ x 4’ panel that could generate 8kw. It could have been brilliant but the inventor got greedy and instead of starting small WITH DOMESTIC UNITS, he wanted immediate scale up to 100MW. He went bust. The company was called SolFocus and I wonder if anyone ever picked up the patents?

    • @dosadoodle
      @dosadoodle ปีที่แล้ว +22

      > 8’ x 4’ panel that could generate 8kw
      Something is wrong here. 8' x 4' is about 3.2 m^2, and the total solar energy hitting a 3.2 m^2 area is under 4kW. I don't think anyone has yet produced a solar cell with >50% efficiency, so at best we're looking at 2kW.

    • @dfgdfg_
      @dfgdfg_ ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@dosadoodle love a good physics explanation 💪

    • @dan-dv2tn
      @dan-dv2tn ปีที่แล้ว

      > 50% with natural light/spectrum.
      Individual or narrow spectrum light source and cells and exceed this.

    • @johnborton4522
      @johnborton4522 ปีที่แล้ว

      Those numbers are bunk -- that's likely why it went bust. You can't collect that kw from that area because that's way more solar energy than we get from the sun in that area. That would require the panels being more than 100% efficient and we all know how that works -- scam.

    • @robertpatton172
      @robertpatton172 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@dosadoodle I’m a little lost.
      Your response to something that allegedly concentrates sunlight onto a smaller area is that you wouldn’t get enough sunlight on a small area?…
      But that’s the point? The idea as far as I can tell is that you take 10M2 of Sunlight and focus it down on 2m2 of area so that you can have a much smaller more efficient panel, I assume cheap materials would be used to concentrate the light.

  • @Dan-Simms
    @Dan-Simms ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I always wondered if you could use magnification to improve solar panels, about time it was looked into.

    • @a-aron2276
      @a-aron2276 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      It's been looked into, and yes it does help but the light intensity breaks the solar cells down faster as they heat up too much, now pair that downside with something that can use the excess heat to heat water and you've got something.

    • @ericfleet9602
      @ericfleet9602 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      If we are hearing about it now, I can assure you that there has been at least a decade of research to get to this point if not more.

    • @Channel-tr1hx
      @Channel-tr1hx ปีที่แล้ว

      @@a-aron2276 how come the exact astronomically defined amount of light coming from the sun is fine and no more than 10% will ruin them. an increase of 10% would coarsely increase the RON with 10%. even if would decrease the lifespan also with 10% i tend to think that waiting 2 years less to get your (Same) money back still more attractive.

    • @skizmo1905
      @skizmo1905 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ericfleet9602 and it hasn't been produced, so it must be a bullshit concept.

    • @edeaglehouse2221
      @edeaglehouse2221 ปีที่แล้ว

      Concentrated solar PV is a concept probably older than you are.

  • @Martin4Mary4Ever
    @Martin4Mary4Ever ปีที่แล้ว

    I love this update thank you!

  • @cynthiacasey6631
    @cynthiacasey6631 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a question I'd like to ask I'm in a wheelchair and I love traveling but sometimes I can't be near a power source I like to know if you have something on your something that I Compact plug my wheelchair and and still be able to travel what do you recommend for something that's compact

  • @unhander
    @unhander ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The cooling system design will have a substantial impact on the feasibility of the overall CPV system. I will keeping an eye on development of a good PV cooling system.
    I remember how cooling the PV has a positive impact on efficiency, bonus points if the cooling system is used to heat or preheat water for thermal system.

    • @chidorirasenganz
      @chidorirasenganz ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah I could see the cooling system going well with a sand battery battery to store the excess heat

    • @Real_MisterSir
      @Real_MisterSir ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Just watercool it and use that water for home heating (or other uses like thermal energy storage). I know I say "just" as it isn't that simple, but I've seen what an enthusiastic PC modder is able to watercool, and a solar panel seems to be a walk in the park for them.

    • @michiganengineer8621
      @michiganengineer8621 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There ARE hybrid thermal/PV panels available. Unfortunately most of them are in the under 300W PV range. I'd like to see them at the TOP of the PV range which is currently around 500W in an 82x42 inch panel.

  • @pockpock6382
    @pockpock6382 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    man, every article and video title nowadays is: this COULD change X and Y....
    Why not WILL :(((

    • @ericfleet9602
      @ericfleet9602 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Because we don't have a crystal ball...

    • @baddriversofcolga
      @baddriversofcolga ปีที่แล้ว

      Because no one can predict the future.

    • @skizmo1905
      @skizmo1905 ปีที่แล้ว

      ...because they are all made for clicks and have nothing to do with real science... this entire channel is based on psuedo science... matt just wants your advertisement money and doesn't care about the scientific damage he is doing.

    • @skizmo1905
      @skizmo1905 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@baddriversofcolga because all these channels are bullshit.

  • @robertstout7756
    @robertstout7756 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another variable when determining the ideal tilt angle is the amount of electricity needed at different times of the year often more in winter unless you’re in a cooling load dominated climate.

  • @CAnthonyVidal
    @CAnthonyVidal ปีที่แล้ว

    Great information! I would love to know what solar companies you are really excited about for the next 5 to 10 years. Do you have any stock portfolio pick favorites?

  • @jackcastley6582
    @jackcastley6582 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    It would be interesting to see some field trial results with AGILE integrated onto mono-crystalline PV modules. It sounds a promising concept, but I worry that a cooling mechanism will be needed since, with concentrated irradiance, the cell temperature will increase dramatically thus reducing the electrical cell efficiency. With that said, it would be interesting to see if the solar tracking benefits outweigh such thermal losses, and if not whether the cost of integrating a passive cooling circuit would then provide any benefits. I'll definitely be keeping a keen eye out on AGILEs developments!

    • @lukasvandeputte9299
      @lukasvandeputte9299 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm not an expert, but wouldn't higher efficiency photovoltaic cells produce less heat. Then given that the cels themselves are relatively small and far apart this would allow diffusion of energy into the entire panel.

    • @colinwiseman
      @colinwiseman ปีที่แล้ว +4

      looking at the graphic, could it be possible to have some sort of heat sink in-between the smaller end of these pyramids? and that heat could be pushed to something to warm your house in the winter 😀👍

    • @MattSitton
      @MattSitton ปีที่แล้ว

      Would be interesting to have a solar layer that can collect infrared which could help reduce the heat from infrared light atleast

    • @toastycarp
      @toastycarp ปีที่แล้ว

      What do you by AGILE, I thought that had to do with like management practices during development. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm genuinely curious.

    • @c567591
      @c567591 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lukasvandeputte9299 Its not the cells generating the heat its the concentration of sunlight. Even just a mirror will increase output, but then heat losses will negate those pretty quickly. Might work ok in a pretty cold climate.

  • @scottkolaya2110
    @scottkolaya2110 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great video Matt, 2:03 My roof is also facing east/west. And although an East/West roof produces less electricity than a south facing roof, in many states with "Time Of Use" billing (coincidentally, in the UK, it's called Agile Tariffs), facing the bulk of your panels West can have a bigger monetary value than facing them south since you can get double the kWh credits during super peak (2pm-6pm) for every kWh you push on the grid during that time. If for example, California gave better incentives for mounting panels on West facing roofs, they wouldn't have an over abundance of supply at noon, and at the same time, issue Flex Alert warnings during the afternoon. All without the need to implement battery storage to shift the available supply.

    • @randybobandy9828
      @randybobandy9828 ปีที่แล้ว

      Problem is relying on the grid to offset costs. Alot of power companies started to pay 1/4 the amount per kwh that they charge the customer. So if you sold them 20kwh you would only get 5kwh back at night then it would start to cost you money. Alot of people based their solar break even points on the electric company using net metering or buying electricity at the same price they sell it back to you. The more house get solar the less they will keep doing it.

    • @skizmo1905
      @skizmo1905 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's not a great video... it's fucking nonsense.

  • @OnHoldAt50
    @OnHoldAt50 ปีที่แล้ว

    I won a tonne of those in auction (the concentrated PV cells and the lenses), from a company that went out of business 15 years ago. So this isn't really new per se. Probably the techniques for creating the lenses has improved which is why it's being revisited? Regardless of the ability to bend light, the beginning of your video still needs to be computed (optimized incident angle for the region being installed) for maximum year round efficiency. One of your better videos IMO Matt. Thanks for sharing your passion.

  • @chaztitan6457
    @chaztitan6457 ปีที่แล้ว

    So can we change a watt per meter gathering or is it just stuck at getting 100% of what the sun gives? Sorts think on a metaphysical level the sun is not only potential but kinetic and we r stuck at one or the there. When u say 10 to 100 times more and we r al ready at 20%. Is that based on total energy input or just strictly efficiency?

  • @garethhodge239
    @garethhodge239 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think that Agile would be incredible if it could be retro fitted to existing installations. If I could lay it across my current panels it could increase efficiency and possibly extend their life span.

    • @mage3690
      @mage3690 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh yeah, I guess you could do that. Since the light bending effect is essentially surface refraction rather than actually relying on bouncing off the walls of the prism, you could sell sheets of this stuff and just cut to fit. It won't increase the life of your panel any, in fact it might decrease the life a bit due to increased heat, but you could reuse the AGILE layer if you wanted to. Just remove the AGILE layer from an old panel, buff it a bit, and glue it onto the new panel. The hardest (and maybe most expensive) part would be finding an optical grade glue with the right refractive index.

  • @Cassandra_Johnson
    @Cassandra_Johnson ปีที่แล้ว

    I have some ground post solar path lights that have glass domes with focusing dots all through the inside. Works great! Downsize? The heat from full sunlight, even north of the 49th, means that the internal plastic mounts have melted in pretty much all of them. Focusing means heat, heat means lower efficiency and DAMAGE past a certain point.
    Double edged sword to be sure.

  • @MindbodyMedic
    @MindbodyMedic ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Hi Matt, I like your content but find 'new science breakthroughs' often end up in disappointment or not meeting expectations. Have you revisited past videos and maybe taken a retrospective look at how a new technology has actually delivered to date?
    I say this as someone who worked in a lab around time graphene was discovered and know how hard it often is implementing new tech that has loads of promise when it comes into contact with reality, entrenched gov systems or even corruption.

  • @SaveMoneySavethePlanet
    @SaveMoneySavethePlanet ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Thanks for mentioning right away that current solar tech is good enough to decarbonize our electric grids.
    More people need to be aware of this while hearing about the numerous tech breakthroughs in solar that happen every week. This concept looks super interesting, but I’m not gonna wait around for it if I have the chance to install normal solar first!

    • @UndecidedMF
      @UndecidedMF  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The tech we have today is fantastic and works great. Last thing I want to do is persuade someone to sit on the sidelines and wait when there are products available already that could satisfy their needs. BUT ... it's still important to see and hear what's happening with forward looking advances.

  • @robertstout7756
    @robertstout7756 ปีที่แล้ว

    An interesting observation about seasonal needs and tracking system orientation is that in heating dominated climates orienting a single access tracker east west so that it points down at the lower winter sun better, provides 30% more electricity in the winter when it’s needed more.

  • @markmain
    @markmain ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The CPV and AGILE will also work well in the marine industry because the solar panels mounted onboard yachts/boats are always moving about with the wave movement and course changes. One thing not mentioned is that these hyperparabolic concentrators and prismatic/Fresnel lenses also have the added benefit to filter out IR light, which will help keep the solar cells cooler with what would otherwise be very hot intensified light. We used similar prisimatic technology back in the 1980's to concentrate for surgical lights to create a shadowless pure white light that did not raise the temperature of the skin or internal organs during surgeries.

    • @edeaglehouse2221
      @edeaglehouse2221 ปีที่แล้ว

      Excellent points in angles and adding IR filters. And basically what I was going to say. Thank you!

  • @fkiesel9442
    @fkiesel9442 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That concentrator idea is already pretty old, and it still didn't get out of the experimental state yet. The issues are like mentioned in the video (mainly tracking is way too expensive an maintenance intensive). The AGILE method still has a very limited range of angels, where it works well, so some tracking is still required. Also, it would add a lot of weight to the panels which is a problem especially for roof installations. And then there is the cost. PV-cells became incredibly cheap. Anything you add to increase their efficiency subsequently has to be even more cheap to make any sense. A several cm thick plate made of some optical material is most likely anything but cheap just because of the quantity of material needed.
    So my guess is, that AGILE may make sense in some special applications, but we won’t see it in large scale any time soon.

    • @edeaglehouse2221
      @edeaglehouse2221 ปีที่แล้ว

      PV cells still aren't cheap at the consumer level. The AGILE layer is likely not much thicker than a normal pane of protective glass and will have voids between cells. I expect weight difference from a common panel would be negligible.

  • @emceh
    @emceh ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very old invention, never picked up enough interest to survive.

    • @skizmo1905
      @skizmo1905 ปีที่แล้ว

      Who cares if you can make money on youtube by claiming it will be a GAME CHANGER...............

  • @prilep5
    @prilep5 ปีที่แล้ว

    best video presentations with on point inserts for easy understanding

  • @1978danielTaylor
    @1978danielTaylor ปีที่แล้ว

    Always been a great source of information and knowledge

  • @revorocks123
    @revorocks123 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    first - sorry, its only because I am a good subscriber.

  • @Darkralos
    @Darkralos ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video.
    I guess if there is any research about efficiency losses due to not cleaning the panels regularly in private homes.
    I can think of people considering many factors when designing their installation (installation power, tilt angles, tracking system, batteries...) and completely neglecting cleaning/maintenance during production.
    Cleaning, the most simple way to boost your installation production and keep nominal levels.

  • @trsarathi
    @trsarathi ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent. Thanks for the upload

  • @lcgluciano15
    @lcgluciano15 ปีที่แล้ว

    My parents live in Macapá, Brazil, a city that is on the equador exactly. The solar panel angle there is basically flat up, but because it rains a lot there people usually install them slightly angled west or east so rain helps keep dust off the panels

  • @ethanj454
    @ethanj454 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I see you got animations from Array Technologies. Up until this February, I worked at the company that makes all of Array's drive lines (the shafts and universal joints that connect one row of panels to the next so that one motor can adjust the angle of many panels). They've known for years that solar panels are getting so efficient that mechanical angle adjusters are becoming obsolete. With this new technology you're talking about, they might finally close down that line! Don't worry though, they make every single F150 drive line today. I think they'll be in business for a while yet. 😅 Especially if they keep expanding into the electric car markets needs.

  • @claytonspann8032
    @claytonspann8032 ปีที่แล้ว

    Neat video, Agile concept seems similar to Luneberg lens used for RCS reflectors

  • @SuperZekethefreak
    @SuperZekethefreak ปีที่แล้ว

    Well done, I really enjoyed this video and hope this new technology becomes very popular

  • @williambunting803
    @williambunting803 ปีที่แล้ว

    I haven’t watched the video yet as am busy on a project, but the PV Concentrating solution is an essential of the future. I explored this some 10 years ago. The advantage here is the use of the SpectraLab 40 watt 40.5% efficient chips (used of the space station) with 700 to 1 solar concentration to a group of devices mounted on high efficiency heat transfer modules. These PV devices are just 15mm square and with max tech mounting will deliver up to 80% energy efficiency where the thermal energy is able to be used. This means that they should be utilized in a domestic or industrial installation. The SpectraLab devices were just $40 at the time we looked at them. Run the numbers and you will see that a 10 Kw PV capacity with up to 10Kw thermal capacity is readily achievable. NB. To heat a 200Ltr water cylinder through 40 degC requires 10Kw Hrs of energy, so if this energy is extractable from the surplus energy of a PV system the recoverable energy more than sufficient for 100% sustainable domestic energy. NB2 non solar periods are covered with domestic refuse converted to syngas powering Liquid Piston 3Kw generators. The only negative of such a system is that it requires a unique mounting system that is best achieved where dwelling roofs have a mansard feature to give sufficient solar access for the 10Kw PV/10Kw thermal system in a solar well in the roof (such a solar well is invisible in the building profile from ground level).

  • @CraigTaylor
    @CraigTaylor ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When we had solar panels installed, we have hardly any north facing roof so we decided on 10 panels facing east, 13 panels facing west.
    In comparing to friends and family, although we generate less peak power across the day, we generate similar total kWh per day but our generation is longer than those we have compared to. At low latitudes in the southern hemisphere (Perth, Western Australia), the sun rises and sets south of east/west. We have found having east/west panels is better for self sufficiency by using power when it is generated.

  • @goran72
    @goran72 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, thanks for the nice video. Try angling the panels 90 degrees towards the sun when there are equinoxes. then you spread the energy by having a slightly higher effect just at the equinoxes. Have a good day.

  • @EinSwitzer
    @EinSwitzer ปีที่แล้ว

    Dioded to capacitor focusing is grid tightening only , load to resistance like a processor , use on demand none of this ac to DC conversion pick one or both at same for 4x capability

  • @WayneMacDonald1
    @WayneMacDonald1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If I understand this correctly, it's a very similar effect to the Fresnel lenses used by lighthouses to extend their visible range... but instead it's collecting sunlight and focusing it on the solar cell. Very cool... and seems like it should be scalable.

  • @simplethings3730
    @simplethings3730 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a mix of monocrystalline and polycrystalline panels. I need to run test but the monocrystalline panels seem to be more sensitive to the sun angle than the polycrystalline panels.

  • @TheSolarGuyJK
    @TheSolarGuyJK ปีที่แล้ว

    This is brilliant and I have thought of house fresnel lenses could be used for the same purpose. It would be even more interesting if customizable for existing solar panels to make some sort of large multilayer coating/glass cover to increase efficiency.
    Very interesting indeed. 👍🏾

    • @skizmo1905
      @skizmo1905 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's bullshit.

  • @sawyer4763
    @sawyer4763 ปีที่แล้ว

    long time listener and first time commentor. Thank you for the great work that you do researching these things for those of us that cannot keep up with the science.

    • @skizmo1905
      @skizmo1905 ปีที่แล้ว

      Stop listening to this matt-bullshit.

  • @martifingers
    @martifingers ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent presentation. A positive development.

  • @Thomas-VA
    @Thomas-VA ปีที่แล้ว

    love the evolution of solar power systems and any improvements of energy storage / batteriesh

  • @jasonsilva9091
    @jasonsilva9091 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's very interesting we tried a simpler system in the early 2000's and the panels just heated up to much reducing energy output
    We tried cooling the panels with airflow system and blanketing panels with water cooling
    At the end of the day the panel out put did not support the overall cost to watt ratio

  • @Coyote27981
    @Coyote27981 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Single axis solar trackers dont need to be expensive or complex.
    Just built into the support frame a manual mechanism that lets you change the angle 10-15 degrees. Change it as many times as you consider it necessary, but 4 times a year should be good enough.

  • @zer0nix
    @zer0nix ปีที่แล้ว

    You can also dope the prism with fluorescents to convert uv into visible light!

  • @user-rb3sw3ku6t
    @user-rb3sw3ku6t ปีที่แล้ว

    I think this is a very important invention. Thanks very much for information.

  • @MictheVegan
    @MictheVegan ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That's cool but it seems that the power comparison isn't per square foot of panel area and are instead on PV cell area. If I am correct then the numbers are a bit cooked and wouldn't reflect total panel area. Also that prism seems like a lot of material when you expand it out across a lot of surface area due to the added depth, does it need glass on top of it too? etc. If it turns out to be a better option, that's cool but I would be surprised if it has a cost advantage over standard panels in the future.

    • @rawbacon
      @rawbacon ปีที่แล้ว

      Wow Mic's still alive! Must be pumping in the Supplements Hot & Heavy to keep that Vegan Corpselike Body going. 🤣🍔🥓🥓

  • @Vort_tm
    @Vort_tm ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a great innovation. More focusing lenses makes panels more recyclable and requires fewer rare elements due to fewer actual solar cells needed. It may not be the be-all-end-all for solar, but every innovation to the process helps!

  • @jdtransformation
    @jdtransformation ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m an optical engineer who works in the concentrated solar industry. As many have commented here, the #1 limitation of this tech is that the system as a whole will still suffer the same “cosine losses” as the un-tracked panel front will still get the same reduction of total energy as the sun moves . That said, looking at “cost-performance”, there may be some advantages - let’s look at them one at a time.:
    COSTS: As a rough frame, while a PV installation may from $1/W~$2/W, the Module (panel itself) only represents ~$0.40/W (let’s say ~40%). Then, of the Module costs, the cell itself (consisting of silicon wafer, metallization, fabrication/energy, production labor/O&M, etc) is roughly $0.18~$0.24/W - or roughly half of the panel cost.
    So, even assuming the concentrators are ‘free’, a 3x concentration will reduce wafer costs to ($0.2/3) = ~$0.07/W. Assuming a $1/W installation cost (utility scale, not residential), this would reduce cost to ~$0.93/W. *BUT*, the researchers claim that the optics are ~90% efficient, so we’ll get 10% less power… resulting in ~$1.03/W. Yikes!! That’s not a win (and of course the tech isn’t free!), but…
    PERFORMANCE: Two possibile gains here:
    First - activation threshold. There may be unseen gains here as the silicon bandgap has a ‘activation energy' (threshold), and on cloudy days may not reach it. Having 2~5x concentration goes a *big* way to ensure turning the semiconductor “on” in low light environments.
    BTW, I don’t see thermal issues being a problem here, as this is a very low conc, and I’d bet $100 that the polymer-based optics absorb most of the unusable IR. So, chips may run cooler!
    Second - reflection losses. When light hits silicon at an angle, some is lost due to ‘fresnel reflections’ that increase exponentially at higher angles. This concentrator does an interesting job of having those grazing rays hit the cell at more normal incidence. It has a field of view of 2pi steradians… which is huge (a whole hemisphere). This effect will be less when the sun is more direct to panel face, but may add-up at wider angles (and *especially* for the diffuse light of clouds).
    SO… could add-up!! But, the devil is in the details - and these are much more complicated on factors such as panel orientation, %-cloudcover/yr, etc…
    Could have merit and I believe it’s worth investigating! ;)

  • @G.Giorgio
    @G.Giorgio ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you also make follow up videos ? As in following up whether a certain promising technology gets implemented or not and why/why not