The interview: www.ign.com/articles/bringing-the-elder-scrolls-online-matt-firor-ign-unfiltered-60 I also forgot to put in the part where I talked about how they're always constantly updating the game engine which allows them to make certain changes.
Great video Nef: I think you should have also included the part where he admits that they've basically been consistently rewritting and updating the game engine with every major patch. Since the ESO of today would never run on the engine that was initially coded/programmed for it. From a programming perspective, it explains a lot of the larger issues with the game including the frequency of bugs and the ever persistent lag in certain aspects of the game.
It doesn’t matter if it “explains” the constant cluster fuck of issues, the fact that they are incapable of fixing the shit shows you shouldn’t be sending a cent their way.
Rich in his streams when asked about adding new weapons also talked about how it would impact performance since their animations need to be always loaded so that you don't see t-poses
This makes sense. It doesn’t explain why they refuse to add anything to cyrodil, BGs, or even dueling even if cyrodil is laggy. If they’re not going to be able to fix lag there, or update the performance on PC or next gen differently than older consoles, at least give players a reason to go to Cyrodil and have fun other than transmute crystals.
Networking needs fixing* Performance is actually completely fine on PC. 120fps maxed out, with exception of unoptimized spots in certain maps. Network lag is what is pissing of pvp players and not hardware performance., people who got slow pc's its their fault. They already gave us multithreading support to improve overall performance.
This is exactly what he explains in the video. Cyrodil will never get better on last gen consoles. When he is talking about animations and limitations because only so many can be loaded, this is why it won't get better. In instances, BGs and small areas with smaller groups they could do some things. How much, I don't know. I wouldn't count on them adding a new playable race to the game that used different models though(goblins, trolls, etc). They can still do stuff like add abilities, but the visuals would be copy and paste from something else with a color change or something. On magic abilities that wouldn't make much difference anyway, mostly sparklies. I respect what they've been able to pull off from a console from 2014, but I don't appreciate how they've dragged people along with the lie there would ever be much they could do about lag in Cyrodil. They knew a long time ago they couldn't.
@@m96k3y7 doesnt matter how good or bad your pc is, you will lag in cyro... and i dont mean 3am when its 2bar pop, play in prime time pop lock and go to the front lines when zergs are zerging, its a slide show
If zos wants eso to exist well into the future, then they need to allow account transferring, ie transferring from console to pc. Theres literally thousands if not hundreds of thousands of console players who would transfer and even buy a pc in a heartbeat. I understand that theres probably not a way to do this, but realistically if theres a way then they should. I would even go as far as to say that most people would pay a big premium for this capability ($50?)
Not really. I could play on PC if I wanted. After years of playing on playstation and staying in the know, I've learned that the PC community seems far more obnoxious and toxic. Not to mention PC requires less skill as a player.
@@jesseleeshoemakerjr5461 You are correct. Every single pc player is so toxic and obnoxious. Not to mention no one on pc has any skill whatsoever. You stayed in the know, we as the eso community thank you for that.
I spent near 7 years straight on xb1 and switched to pc fully last year around this time. I had the game on pc longer, but only kept up to date with expansions essentially. Consoles performance is garbage, and I dont regret for one instant making the change. Still play with a controller but the game runs lightyears better on pc. Its not hard to rebuild, given a discount on a bundle and grinding durring xp events. The knowledge I gained playing prior on xb1 made my pc restart SO much faster than my first build up.
As I'm mainly a console player this was really an eye opener of how consoles really do cripple mmo's. If ZOS could give us cross save I would jump to PC immediatly! For otherwise no way I would just abandon 4,5 years of progress on ESO to start anew.
That's a baseless lie. If It isn't then with the new generation consoles they'll be adding all these apparent features. You also have to realise not every pc player has a pc better than a console. So if they added these features a lot of people would have been locked out anyways. Saying a systems requirements is why they can't and haven't implemented improvements is a bold faced lie. Look at every other mmo that isn't even on a console. And man up, I've put 6 years into this game and restared twice in the last 2 years. Make the switch, achievements mean nothing you've got them before and it's never been easier to grind for CP
I wouldn't. Kind of obvious the populace of insufferable douchebags is even more abundant on PC. I mean... look at the comments. You really want to rub shoulders with these people? Yuck
the more unique assets and animations that are loaded into a game, the more space it takes up. People dont think about this stuff. They just look at graphics and thats it but memory is a big thing too, especially for inferior hardware, and they explained they want the game to be spread upon diverse graphics types, so im glad they explained this so that maybe many of these people will stop whining. The game is still the best MMO in my opinion
I appreciate the candidness and confirming what a lot of us already suspected… The frustrating part is the game is still so buggy for a lot of us. I really don’t want any more content. I want to be able to play the game that I love. If that means no more new contact for a long time I am OK with that. And I think a lot of players are completely OK with that. We just want to play the game as is. They have to stop adding so much stuff that the game just breaks and breaks and breaks. We love the game we just want it to work.
it's all matter of perspective but I do agree. Fixing issues first, content second. If you happened to start the game year ago and your goal is to get all the achievements while having mainstream life same time. It takes enourmous amount of time to get close to that goal. There should be more ways to catch up or at least make achievements per account.
I'm watching the full interview thanks to this. They just mentioned about how Firor and his team before he joined ZOS could've potentionally been Blizzard East. Talk about dodging a bullet.
I honestly dont think the developers are malicious in any way - they want their game to be fluid and playable by all. The issue comes for the lack of resources allocated to them for this, something that the vile money-minded stakeholders call "overhead costs". They would rather squeeze out as much money from the game as they can before it dies than to spend half a year focused entirely on bug fixes which not only makes them 0 profit, but also requires resources.
It's interesting to see how would ESO be if it never came to console but at the same time if it never did I would never have met all my friends and girlfriend
It would be 1000000% better, the graphics would be incredible since they wouldnt have to worry about consoles. Consoles always hold mmos back, same goes for ff xiv. Both games would be so much prettier.
Basically confirming what we all already knew, the limitations of consoles has sucked all of the potential features out of the game. I think the most crushing part is really early on. “We can’t add new animations… [because of console]”. Which makes sense why ESO has some of the worst animations, and spell effects in modern mmos. All the character use the same rig and the animations are minimalist and stilted. I thought this was just laziness, but it hurts even more I think knowing the game will never be able to break free and implement improvements because of its chain on its leg.
@@darthmercur3067 That's funny because it's not consoles who pushed for the development of video cards (ATI/AMD, NVIDIA). Also, Tandy and Commodore would like to have a word with you.
@@DomDEngineer ,commodore 64 was good. The rest Terrible.... You would know that If you were alive and playing those machines back then like me. That's why other systems were developed. Those computer games were so terrible they were sold out of crates all bashed up...like 5$dvds at gas stations today. The only console game I can remember being as bad as almost all computer games was "e.t.". I tried getting a hold of the businesses you were comparing to console, but they went out of business. Lmao 😆🤣
You really think ESO has some of the worst animations out all modern mmos? I literally can’t play New World for one specific reason. The spell animation look like ACTUAL shit much worse than eso
They can still add abilities. Eventually they will fade out PS4 then they can progress again. What he describes mainly applies to visuals(with large groups of people). They could still do stuff in instances, BGs and stuff like that. It's frustrating to some extent, but at the same time you have to respect what they've been able to accomplish with a console from 2014.
I think the next gen consoles will greatly improve the functionality of ESO. I have an XBOX series S and it runs fantastic on it. Now on my old xbox one s it was quite laggy in crowded areas...especially pvp. But i think the next gen consoles will allow for much more expansion and still perform decent.
@@dzudemlow im talking about processing speed wise...load times...and graphical appearance on xbox one S as opposed to Xbox series S. Of course there are bugs and software issues that no matter what your playing it on...you cant avoid...but playing it on an xbox one s and then playing it on a Xbox series S is like night n day. You can def tell an immediate difference and it plays a lot better.
So let's ask this, how many times have they replaced or updated servers? I think the only thing was moving cyro to a new server or something which didn't do anything, but if not mistaken we are playing on the same servers since launch? Some tech can correct me, but I don't see that as good enough considering the growth of the player base?
Thanks Nef for the vid! It's actually a great business decision to focus on more accessibility regardless of the performance of your tech. Why? Well, an ESO+ subscription is the same price regardless if you have a chrome notebook or a multiphasic cooled PC tower with LEDs and 48 fans. More subscriptions = more revenues. :)
I also wouldn't mind if they'd introduced some of the constraints that were around in Dark Age of Camelot, actually. I understand that ESO has a lot more PvE content, though, and it may not work as well for getting trial groups together, etc. But there was something pretty cool about not being to really interact with the other realms on Dark Age of Camelot. By the time it came to actual PvP, everyone on the other teams was basically a stranger, which I think helps drive an esprit de corps, because you actually have consequences for which realm you choose at the start of the game. But ESO gets pretty close to the old DAoC PvP feeling, and it's actually more balanced. So I'll take it.
It's true honestly consoles limit innovation in gaming. But the way to fix it is give players cross save. That way they wont lose everything they worked for by switching.. Eventually console players will move to pc or upgrade to better consoles. You cant hold progress back because some people refuse to upgrade hardware. Extend a lifeboat to them with cross save so whenever they can afford to move to a better console or pc they wont be punished by having to start over.
@@Iron-Blurrwhat a silly thing to say. Consoles don’t limit gaming at all. Building games to support PCs with specs from ten years ago does. To took at someone gaming on an Xbox one and PS4 and at they’re the reason games are the way it is and not point the finger at people who unironically haven’t upgraded their pc’s hardware since they bought it in 2012 is idiotic.
@@Daniele-PierreDuLac Dude. Just stop. I came from console. It runs much worse and im constantly running out of space from having too many games installed and not enough room for them all. On pc i just throw stuff on my terabytes and forget about it. The simplest solution is to just keep upgrading the game but make it cross save enabled so players can switch over if they want access to new content if thry want but their console may or may not be able to handle it. Give them cross save so they can swap over without losing everything.
What memory issue are they talking about? Just saying memory doesn't really tell me why. Is it ram? cpu? The gpu in the console? I want to know what they mean. I'm trying to get the new xbox but it's never in stock, I have a mid range gaming pc that has a i5-10400f and a 1660s with 16gb of ram. I prefer to play eso on xbox like most of my games b/c I've been playing on xbox since it came out. If someone can better explain what the issue is I would appreciate it.
@@MClaudiusMarcellus They were Guild Leaders of the two top raid guilds who competed with each other for world first completion of content and raids. They were so obsessed with the game they were brought in by wow for game design to make things simpler for players than what was currently hardcore content. Alex GM of Fires of Heaven and Jeff was GM of Legacy of Steel. Jeff went by Tigole on forums and a couple other games while working at Blizzard until people realized who he was, similar happened to Alex but idr his username. Both guilds had employees of Blizzard in them and that's what brought the two into attention to Blizzard south.
Appreciate the honestly, but think it should be that open long time ago to make People understand WHY thinks are the way they are. With the new Consonsoles out i hope more Option will be Open.
This one is finally among the first!!! This is helpful in understanding why new assets aren’t being introduced, but there are plenty of existing assets that could be utilized to give players what they want (e.g. skill lines, classes, skins, polymorphs) Housing slots I understand that more now.
Some new skins polymorphs ,classes can now be bought from crown crates ..... There is nothing added to the game itself that allows us to get a lot of things by only playing the game . There is a lot of stuff that we need to get from crown store It means that game is going on the way "pay to win"
They should stop charging for "expansions" since they are not actually expansions and dont really expand much, and they are just reused assets and never anything different. Its just copy paste from elsewhere
Hmmm. Wouldn't that mean if ESO is supposed to have a future, at some point, people will have to port to newer consoles or the game becomes stale? Basicly keep the old bricks running and have everyone stand still or stop updates for the old bricks and basicly force people to port to newer, better hardware. Could be wrong, but that's my concerns here.
This is probably what will happen I imagine. They'll keep it running on older consoles until it becomes untenable, and then depreciate support for them probably at some point. I believe ff14 did this at some point too (though that has the benefit of shared pc servers so you're not locked into console play).
The only thing I can ask why to is why pc eso gets free addons and consoles sucky bootleg versions like Armory system is monetized that's a valid why question
I love Stadia. I could play ESO in 4k max graphics on all kinds of old machines, my phone, and a do so wherever I have a decent internet connection. It's awesome. Only bad side is no mods, but honestly, it's not a biggie. If I really wanted to make selling stuff in bulk easier I can log in through steam and use mods that way, no problem.
They should sunset the old tech at some point. I mean, the older xbox one consoles (like the one that I own) are 7 years old at this point. I appreciate that they didn't want to ask their customers to have to "keep up with the Jones'" when it comes to hardware. I just wonder at what point you jump ahead. Like is it unreasonable to move to the next gen in 2023? I'd think not, and I think that most gamers would get it. If you're only needing to upgrade hardware every 9-10 years, it's manageable.
It makes more sence.I agree.Now ESO is based on adding things that were created before.Its kinda copy pasting content.That was old is also current content.Nothing new.Bugs,lags,players cant enter to the game or some ppl are kicked for exploit or trading a lot. Another thing that causing not relevant content is fixing stuff that will not fix most of existing bugs.In addition from patch to patch there is a lot unfortunate bugs coming to making older content than current patch less playable. Making sets that will allow you to kill characters in pvp will not feel new players to be more powerful ,because experienced player also can use that.Players are reading patch notes and testing things on pts,new ones dont know about that. A lot of players would only dream to get new extra content to pvp.In pve there are some new dungeons or trials,but some players want to make content to be more challenging cuz they want to take risks and learn new strategies. Without all of these things,the game its only patched old content with added events.For new players its game that is worth to atleast try to play.For experienced ones is boring and want to not waste any time,some leaving, some still want to keep up in it
agreed, tbh im not a matt fan. And i think him saying its not a "mmorpg" is kinda of dumb. it IS an Rpg, it IS an MMO. its just marketing political shit. Also i think some of his design choices have caused more harm than good. like MMOs have to evolve with time. you have MMos that are coming out that just FEEL better and look better, not saying that they will kill ESO but playing BDO or new world and then playing ESO. ESO feels like it was made back in like 2010 sometimes.
Is it though ? I play this game pretty much like singleplayer. In fact I didn't felt overwhelmed at all even at begginings because everything I knew from regular TES games were working in ESO as expected. Only tiny bits were changed. I recall ZOS refusing to call it MMORPG for while now, simply because many people who play don't care for MMORPG that much. And tbh I am almost sure all 'old MMO' andies crowd also don't consider ESO an actual MMORPG either. Just look at their takes usually on any new MMO beyond WoW.
They blame the lack of new skills in game mechanics on consoles but yet in other interviews they say they can't bring cross play because the PC version and the console version are totally different games. HMMMMM PS if you remember GTA v started out on Xbox 360 and Playstation, but eventually Rockstar gave up on the 360 version because the hardware could not handle it. So keep the console separate from the PC like it already is and continue with two different games expand the PC as far as computers can take it and stick within the limits of the Xbox x and start upgrading the Xbox x series
Simple solution! CROSS SAVE! Eso takes a long time to get into. Imagine how long it would take to start all over with a new account on pc. Make it possible for console players to transition over to more modern consoles or pc and that will help remedy the situation. At the very least players will have the choice to stay on console or move to pc without the dread of starting all over looming over their head..
I pray every day for this. 18 end game pvp toons, 4 fully furnished notable houses, over 20k hours in game & $5k spent. No way i’m starting over but would love to play on PC. Should’ve never invested so much into a console game.
i dont know whats worse, hearing how console held and continues holding the game back or that so many players are going to watch this interview and give up 🙁
I hope they eventually depreciate the old consoles and only develop the game for the new hardware so that we can break free from these limitations. The new console generations can handle more ambitious additions to the game. And eventually laptop users will have to enter the second decade of the 21st century to play games like the rest of us have. We already knew it was the Xbox One and PS4 holding the game back, this was just the first time (I think they might have actually said it before now but idk) a developer has outright said it.
I know that Nintendo discontinued online services for the Wii at some point Maybe Sony & Microsoft can do the same (or a similar) thing for their older consoles eventually as a platform-wide push to the future.
Only problem would be that there is ongoing next gen console shortage. That being said ZOS should try to develop pc ESO version instead more. And then maybe think what from pc can land onto consoles.
@@cracmar03 it would probably be a year or two down the line for production to be back to normal, this release for next gen was a perfect storm for scalpers but guaranteed when the chip shortage goes away there will be more in stock than the money grabbing weirdos can buy
I think this is a big problem with mmos on console. Yoshi-P (FFXIV) mentioned they had to hold back in certain shadowbringers zones because they ran out of memory.
ESO is DAoC II. I didn't realize until today why I liked the mechanics of this game so much(Matt from Mythic). Basically the BS from DAoC was fixed in this game. The biggest thing I remember people wanting was "active combat". People were very disappointed when Warhammer Online came out and the combat really didn't change(slightly faster). No dodge roll or active blocking. This was the game that changed that and I'm glad to see that one of the Mythic crew brought it to fruition(somebody was actually listening).
I think we already knew this , but maybe it'll be better when they phase out PS4 because the newer consoles are finally getting half decent. Not on the level of PC by any means , but decent specs.
So after they checked out the numbers of the New World release, they got afraid and had to find someone to blame for - consoles. Not the age old god awful engine or coding, no. Blame the big if not the bigger part of the playerbase. Why not take time and make an eso2 than? Well this interview at least managed to reach its goal - rally pc players against consoles. Good job.
It's kinda depressing that this guy is directing the game. He may even have good intentions, but intentionally stunting an MMO based on 7+ year old consoles is a terrible decision. No one wants to stay on consoles that old. Square Enix was smarter than that.
It's to much of grind for a version 2 why would you after all the money players poor into one mmo to then go to mmo par 2 its so stupid I wish people would stop mentioning eso 2 ah NNNOOO
They need many quality of life things, but only add a few. I switched to the PC and lost many things. Very annoying, but the add-ons are very valuable.
This is so disappointing ngl. No offence to the console players but holy moly it is so sad to hear we didnt get like proper new content (class/skill line) and what not because of the potato console hardware. That is just disappointing.
I play on console and I agree. I'm sad too. This revelation turns ESO into an even more static game than I already thought it was becoming. They can't add anything fun. Classes are stuck in the mud and won't see any new cool/unique skills added for class identity. New weapon skill lines seem impossible at this point. So... ESO is just going to be the same stuff with new coats of paint? Pass. Such potential unfulfilled.
In part this is why i HATE mmo's being on console, it limits them greatly. "But jonathan ff xiv is amazing on console". Sure the game is good and it works, but it only enforces my take becuase we are still limited due to it existing there, both games are held back SO much because they have to worry about consoles. People want new world on ps5, it would be like 14 fps at 1080p if it was. I do applaud the eso devs for getting it to be as smooth as it is, introducing multithreading to the pc version was a game changer, i literally gained like 40 fps and i maintain above 75 fps (my monitor is 75hz) IN major cities with 100 people running around. Before multithreading i got like 45 fps in those areas. Also guild wars 2 is proof mmo sequels can work.
I recently moved to pc from console and the game is literally unplayable on ps4 these days. I think they need to seperate the two platforms entirely, that way pc can move forward. Consoles will be left behind in a way but thats just due to the capabilities of the device. Me and some of my friends left thousands of hours, gear, titles, guilds and in game money/materials totalling tens of millions of gold for a fresh start with nothing just for a better experience. Most of us were above 1400cp and had 10 or more characters.
Just make cross save a thing and leave behind consoles. Right now i bet a lot of players dont want to lose their characters and all the progress they made on console and neve to start over from zero. Give them cross save and i bet a lot of them would move to more modern hardware. Removing disincentives helps a lot when you try to get people to do something..
@@playmakernumber1255 I play EOS on an original PS4 and it’s pretty stable. I only ever experience rubberbanding in ultra rare instances. The game looks amazing as well. I play fairly often too.
@@TheMusicolophile You are a liar, ff xiv on ps4 especially newer stuff is a PAIN. Graphical issues, lag. You dont need to lie. You can like it there all you want, but trying to lie about it doesnt do anything good for you or anyone. Me who has both, knows your lying first hand because im literally looking at it right now.
Its not entirely wrong. Console frames and graphics and computing is actually limited. Convenient but limited. If they treated consoles with upgradeable graphic cards like PC it wouldnt be as big an issue. But console specs are built very specific and are limited by how the respective companies allow the consoles to function. Its why we have seperate servers and service and coding for each version of the game
That's because the devs arent all that great and they have outdated programs they have to work with. Theres a lot of things these guys say that most people have no clue about. Once you understand how tech works you realize they are limited by their own incompetence, laziness and refusal to hire more staff( since they prefer to enrich themselves at the top) They use spyware ( causes much of the bloat) to analyze every damn thing every player does. They got caught using it before, using a program called Red Shell. This guy is a massive twot and should be fired. Theres no reason ESO should be over 100 gigs. But they need their bloated spyware at Zenimax. Lazy company, with greedy leadership, and encompetant staff all around
It is time for ESO2. REALLY, IT IS. Comparison to Netflix is stupid. Game is much more complicated and it is clear that the engine is holding them back and the game is archaic at this point.
Not really stupid. Do you see WoW 2 anywhere ? Or Guild Wars 3 ? It's MMO, not singleplayer game. People would be helluva pissed when they would pull ESO 2 now, so that you can kiss goodbye all invested time and money. Just because they refused to try and work around their engine.
@@cracmar03 I would not be pissed, and I am sure I'm not alone in that statement. There is Guild Wars 2, Lineage 2, WoW Classic and on. Still think Netflix comparrison does not have sense or why lack of will to make MMOs sequels make it valid comparisson. There is time and money put in singleplayer games that even do not have online component and there are ton of sequels. Working around engine that was not good at the first place is limiting and not good for players. Part two could be free of mistakes taken and enriched with new solutions, preferrably being actual Elder Scrolls game to.
Him comparing the game to netflix doesnt work. Netflix is a streaming platform for content they produce. ESO IS the content. And animations, armor, and other things already look dated as is. The fact that they are constantly limited in design and advancement by almost a decade-old, cheap console hardware is disheartening and scary. Maybe that explains why their necromancer is the worst necromancer take in video game history.
Don't tell me you are one of guys who wanted just to have Sorcerer 2.0 with undead instead of pets ... if that's take on necromancy then it's the basic one. I actually longed for necromancy take where it would be focused far more on what this magic actually is supposed to be - the manipulating of life force magic. Before ESO only decent takes on necromancy to my memory had Arcanum of Steamworks and Magick Obscura and Spellforce. Necromancy should be always so much more then just 'make dozens of zombies and follow me' take. I love ESO's take on necromancer, because it is finally not cliche 'edgy dude who raises skeletons to fight for him' take. It finally utilizes everything that magic should be, from raising spirits to temprorary aid you, to manipulating life force from corpses to aid you, to ressurection of allies - further connecting that Necromancy and Restoration are branches of same magic tree (just like Arcanum did), to pure damaging spells, to finally imbuing yourself with power of necromancy (which based of regular lichhood alone is yet another normal thing for necromancy to be capable of - to evolve user) and transform into Colossus. Only regret is that life stealing should be a thing on long range, but well I am okay with scythe. I actually laughed at it quite bit, definately getting into 'reaper' feeling of necromancy.
@@cracmar03 ESO's necromancer is mostly bad and many other people view it as such. Summoning a skeleton that blows up into green goo every 3 seconds is undefendable and lazy in terms of combat design and animation. In a boss fight, I'd hardly call it interesting to push a button every 3 seconds to have a skeleton form up and fall down in the same spot with a number pop up, neither is it an entertaining animation to watch; it's a shame that it's so powerful that you're forced to use it--an example of more bad design. To criticize having multiple pets as being edgy, but summoning...scary tombstones that deal damage isn't? Necro gameplay, like every other build in this game, is static, repetitive, and boring in longer fights. I like some aspects of it, but yes, it is largely a wonky-looking cartoon of a class that still relies on the same skills most classes of their respective resource use, but that is a flaw with the game as a whole and not the class. They could have done so much more with the corpse mechanic, and yes, having undead minions is the most identifiable and desirable thing about a necromancer, not lobbing flaming skulls like hobgoblin. Couple of claymore-wielding draugr that interact with the corpse mechanic as a resource > spamming some fire skulls and exploding goo skeletons.
zos is doign great with changing the cp and the hybrid gear sets but its the content that needs to change and get mixed up its the same thing every dlc and chapter.there is no hope on the pvp side for zos to fix the lag.
that’s super revealing on the content side and depressing, but why if they can’t deliver new content can’t they at least give performance on some basic stuff to make us pvpers happy, if stuns and skills worked fine i’d be over the moon and would actually play the game again, i don’t care if i don’t get new content i just want the old stuff to work. i guess the constant rewriting to make the game fit console makes that dream unrealistic
The ONLY solution would be to make the engine more scalable. We still got lots of new tech. But still lazy excuse for bugs, not even talking about performance which is fine everywhere besides cyrodiil. But yeah New World catched me because of the few bugs and general fluidity of animations and no freaking loading screen every 5 meters.. Still hope they will succeed as ESO is my favorite PVE game. And why can't they add new animation, but the radiant-sunflare senche can make a meteor shower?
I wish they would think differently like the BDO team and stop bothering with friggin 7 yr old consoles! Forward ever backward never! Give us dem sweet new animations an shit!
He meant that some of the traditional RPG progression was taken out, which made it less an RPG and more just an online game with quests, and that with that change the game became more social. Also MMO isn't the same as MMORPG...
And now you know they were always full of sh*t about fixing lag in PvP. They've known for a long time they couldn't(which I suspected it was because to many animations on screen at once). I'd imagine they can do a good bit for new consoles and more powerful PCs, but they are forced in working with the least common denominator. He was referring to animations. Basically only so many different ones can be loaded up at once to show simultaneous actions by multiple people. I wonder at different distances if there are generic animations(not the real animation) that gives illusion to keep the battles looking interesting? I mean you won't know the real ability someone casts at 50ft away, so I wonder if this is a strategy they use to cut down on lag. I disagree that this means they can't add new abilities(as long as the visuals were semi-recycled or just by using different colors). I would imagine new playable races, that weren't based on current models are not likely. The most interesting thing I came away from the interview with is it is Matt from DAoC. I know why I like the mechanics of this game so much now. Played DAoC for a long time(was my 2nd main MMO after Everquest). Before Mythic released Warhammer Online people begged with them to have a combat system like ESO(ESO didn't exist but we called the combat "active combat", which ESO later seemed to have pulled off). It's interesting to see someone from that crew finally saw the combat to fruition. Which I would say, he succeeded.
I hate MMOs, I only signed up for ESO because there's no Elder Scrolls 6 out yet. I'm a single player gamer, I just got bored with playing Skyrim over and over..
well I was same, but ESO to me basically IS build like singleplayer. I have been playing it for about 3 years now. Content alone and role playing keeps me occupied.
that's not ESO's limitation, that's consoles. this isn't anything new. consoles have been simultaneously pushing the industry forward by bringing gaming to more people, but also severely holding the industry back because of dated and limited hardware.
And there's no way ESO is more social than other MMOs. What makes a game social is hard content that requires players to work together. ESO has easy content and companions, super anti-social game by design unless you raid.
Just like previous mmos on older consoles. In the next 1-2 yrs I see eso leaving last gen because it is being held back way to much and tech can’t keep up on the old gens.
I mean, FF14 was the second MMORPG in that franchise and is to this day one of the biggest MMORPG's in the world. So I mean, yes it has been done, and can be done but the odds are definitely against the developers imo. Also, Guild wars 2 and destiny 2.
Damn, then they need to somehow move console megaservers to new ones. Or start developing pc megaservers with tech updates, and then have to decide what console can handle. Like I really want new class. I've been waiting for something like Bard or Elemental Mage for years at this point. I want more furniture slots too. And can console handle improved character creator models ? Is this why we can't have longer hair too ? If this is how it goes, it is about time to make decision to slowly move ESO console megaservers either to next gen or just stop developing it aside of pc. Let pc flourish first and then try to adjust changes to outdated consoles. I don't think console players will be mad, they know their hardware limitations.
The interview: www.ign.com/articles/bringing-the-elder-scrolls-online-matt-firor-ign-unfiltered-60
I also forgot to put in the part where I talked about how they're always constantly updating the game engine which allows them to make certain changes.
11:58 "This looks familiar..." -- I can imagine the reddit threads crying that it's all the console players fault now. xD
Great video Nef: I think you should have also included the part where he admits that they've basically been consistently rewritting and updating the game engine with every major patch. Since the ESO of today would never run on the engine that was initially coded/programmed for it. From a programming perspective, it explains a lot of the larger issues with the game including the frequency of bugs and the ever persistent lag in certain aspects of the game.
It doesn’t matter if it “explains” the constant cluster fuck of issues, the fact that they are incapable of fixing the shit shows you shouldn’t be sending a cent their way.
Yeah shaky foundations are so hard.to deal with as a programmer
Really, you really believe that they are rewriting and updating a whole game engine ever major patch?
Rich in his streams when asked about adding new weapons also talked about how it would impact performance since their animations need to be always loaded so that you don't see t-poses
Look at the necro Collosus ult, it already t-poses sometimes
This makes sense. It doesn’t explain why they refuse to add anything to cyrodil, BGs, or even dueling even if cyrodil is laggy. If they’re not going to be able to fix lag there, or update the performance on PC or next gen differently than older consoles, at least give players a reason to go to Cyrodil and have fun other than transmute crystals.
Networking needs fixing*
Performance is actually completely fine on PC. 120fps maxed out, with exception of unoptimized spots in certain maps.
Network lag is what is pissing of pvp players and not hardware performance., people who got slow pc's its their fault. They already gave us multithreading support to improve overall performance.
This is exactly what he explains in the video. Cyrodil will never get better on last gen consoles. When he is talking about animations and limitations because only so many can be loaded, this is why it won't get better. In instances, BGs and small areas with smaller groups they could do some things. How much, I don't know. I wouldn't count on them adding a new playable race to the game that used different models though(goblins, trolls, etc).
They can still do stuff like add abilities, but the visuals would be copy and paste from something else with a color change or something. On magic abilities that wouldn't make much difference anyway, mostly sparklies.
I respect what they've been able to pull off from a console from 2014, but I don't appreciate how they've dragged people along with the lie there would ever be much they could do about lag in Cyrodil. They knew a long time ago they couldn't.
@@m96k3y7 doesnt matter how good or bad your pc is, you will lag in cyro... and i dont mean 3am when its 2bar pop, play in prime time pop lock and go to the front lines when zergs are zerging, its a slide show
So amazing how they consider their WHOLE player base, not just stuck up obnoxious PC players (reading most comments). Well done ESO! Respect!
Best ESO interview and video ever. Seriously. So informational.
If zos wants eso to exist well into the future, then they need to allow account transferring, ie transferring from console to pc. Theres literally thousands if not hundreds of thousands of console players who would transfer and even buy a pc in a heartbeat. I understand that theres probably not a way to do this, but realistically if theres a way then they should. I would even go as far as to say that most people would pay a big premium for this capability ($50?)
Not really. I could play on PC if I wanted. After years of playing on playstation and staying in the know, I've learned that the PC community seems far more obnoxious and toxic. Not to mention PC requires less skill as a player.
@@jesseleeshoemakerjr5461 You are correct. Every single pc player is so toxic and obnoxious. Not to mention no one on pc has any skill whatsoever. You stayed in the know, we as the eso community thank you for that.
@@QsPracticalNonsense You're quite welcome
Idk other games have cross play and cross save so why can't they?
I spent near 7 years straight on xb1 and switched to pc fully last year around this time. I had the game on pc longer, but only kept up to date with expansions essentially. Consoles performance is garbage, and I dont regret for one instant making the change. Still play with a controller but the game runs lightyears better on pc. Its not hard to rebuild, given a discount on a bundle and grinding durring xp events. The knowledge I gained playing prior on xb1 made my pc restart SO much faster than my first build up.
As I'm mainly a console player this was really an eye opener of how consoles really do cripple mmo's. If ZOS could give us cross save I would jump to PC immediatly! For otherwise no way I would just abandon 4,5 years of progress on ESO to start anew.
Consoles cripple everything and everyone besides those who make money off of them. :/
That's a baseless lie.
If It isn't then with the new generation consoles they'll be adding all these apparent features.
You also have to realise not every pc player has a pc better than a console. So if they added these features a lot of people would have been locked out anyways.
Saying a systems requirements is why they can't and haven't implemented improvements is a bold faced lie. Look at every other mmo that isn't even on a console.
And man up, I've put 6 years into this game and restared twice in the last 2 years. Make the switch, achievements mean nothing you've got them before and it's never been easier to grind for CP
I wouldn't. Kind of obvious the populace of insufferable douchebags is even more abundant on PC. I mean... look at the comments. You really want to rub shoulders with these people? Yuck
1000% agree!
I left console after six years. After being on pc never looked back best I did.
the more unique assets and animations that are loaded into a game, the more space it takes up. People dont think about this stuff. They just look at graphics and thats it but memory is a big thing too, especially for inferior hardware, and they explained they want the game to be spread upon diverse graphics types, so im glad they explained this so that maybe many of these people will stop whining. The game is still the best MMO in my opinion
I appreciate the candidness and confirming what a lot of us already suspected… The frustrating part is the game is still so buggy for a lot of us. I really don’t want any more content. I want to be able to play the game that I love. If that means no more new contact for a long time I am OK with that. And I think a lot of players are completely OK with that. We just want to play the game as is. They have to stop adding so much stuff that the game just breaks and breaks and breaks. We love the game we just want it to work.
it's all matter of perspective but I do agree. Fixing issues first, content second. If you happened to start the game year ago and your goal is to get all the achievements while having mainstream life same time. It takes enourmous amount of time to get close to that goal. There should be more ways to catch up or at least make achievements per account.
Agreed fully! 👍
I'm watching the full interview thanks to this. They just mentioned about how Firor and his team before he joined ZOS could've potentionally been Blizzard East. Talk about dodging a bullet.
I honestly dont think the developers are malicious in any way - they want their game to be fluid and playable by all.
The issue comes for the lack of resources allocated to them for this, something that the vile money-minded stakeholders call "overhead costs".
They would rather squeeze out as much money from the game as they can before it dies than to spend half a year focused entirely on bug fixes which not only makes them 0 profit, but also requires resources.
Yep, I used to give devs a lot of hate. At the end of the day, it's not their decision.
They could squeeze more money out of me if they sold Short Mussed Wave and the other elf hairstyle they love to use on every NPC for the past 5 years.
Is adept rider still bis ?
This has been touched on before on SlashLurk's live stream as well, a little while before all the drama that happened on there.
Been playing a ton of new world and it really makes me miss eso. The community and systems are so much better.
It's interesting to see how would ESO be if it never came to console but at the same time if it never did I would never have met all my friends and girlfriend
It would be 1000000% better, the graphics would be incredible since they wouldnt have to worry about consoles. Consoles always hold mmos back, same goes for ff xiv. Both games would be so much prettier.
i met your gf in eso to she still put out?
@@jonathansoko1085 It would be dead since no one was playing it prior to console release, lmao.
@@jedidotflow there was WAAAAY more people playing back then dude
that also explains their eagerness to be on Stadia given how much they have to optimize already for traditional consoles.
Basically confirming what we all already knew, the limitations of consoles has sucked all of the potential features out of the game.
I think the most crushing part is really early on. “We can’t add new animations… [because of console]”.
Which makes sense why ESO has some of the worst animations, and spell effects in modern mmos. All the character use the same rig and the animations are minimalist and stilted.
I thought this was just laziness, but it hurts even more I think knowing the game will never be able to break free and implement improvements because of its chain on its leg.
Without console you wouldn't have video games.
@@darthmercur3067 That's funny because it's not consoles who pushed for the development of video cards (ATI/AMD, NVIDIA). Also, Tandy and Commodore would like to have a word with you.
@@DomDEngineer ,commodore 64 was good. The rest Terrible.... You would know that If you were alive and playing those machines back then like me. That's why other systems were developed. Those computer games were so terrible they were sold out of crates all bashed up...like 5$dvds at gas stations today. The only console game I can remember being as bad as almost all computer games was "e.t.". I tried getting a hold of the businesses you were comparing to console, but they went out of business. Lmao 😆🤣
You really think ESO has some of the worst animations out all modern mmos? I literally can’t play New World for one specific reason. The spell animation look like ACTUAL shit much worse than eso
They can still add abilities. Eventually they will fade out PS4 then they can progress again. What he describes mainly applies to visuals(with large groups of people). They could still do stuff in instances, BGs and stuff like that.
It's frustrating to some extent, but at the same time you have to respect what they've been able to accomplish with a console from 2014.
Eso is one of my fav games of all time. Ive put an entire year straight in playing time into the game.i always come back to it no matter what i play.
I think the next gen consoles will greatly improve the functionality of ESO. I have an XBOX series S and it runs fantastic on it. Now on my old xbox one s it was quite laggy in crowded areas...especially pvp. But i think the next gen consoles will allow for much more expansion and still perform decent.
What r u talking about? It doesn't even run “perfectly“ on any pc lol
@@dzudemlow im talking about processing speed wise...load times...and graphical appearance on xbox one S as opposed to Xbox series S. Of course there are bugs and software issues that no matter what your playing it on...you cant avoid...but playing it on an xbox one s and then playing it on a Xbox series S is like night n day. You can def tell an immediate difference and it plays a lot better.
So let's ask this, how many times have they replaced or updated servers? I think the only thing was moving cyro to a new server or something which didn't do anything, but if not mistaken we are playing on the same servers since launch? Some tech can correct me, but I don't see that as good enough considering the growth of the player base?
Thanks Nef for the vid!
It's actually a great business decision to focus on more accessibility regardless of the performance of your tech. Why? Well, an ESO+ subscription is the same price regardless if you have a chrome notebook or a multiphasic cooled PC tower with LEDs and 48 fans. More subscriptions = more revenues. :)
I also wouldn't mind if they'd introduced some of the constraints that were around in Dark Age of Camelot, actually. I understand that ESO has a lot more PvE content, though, and it may not work as well for getting trial groups together, etc. But there was something pretty cool about not being to really interact with the other realms on Dark Age of Camelot. By the time it came to actual PvP, everyone on the other teams was basically a stranger, which I think helps drive an esprit de corps, because you actually have consequences for which realm you choose at the start of the game. But ESO gets pretty close to the old DAoC PvP feeling, and it's actually more balanced. So I'll take it.
Blaming consoles is such a lazy out. There are many players on PCs that don’t even measure up to a base Xbox one and PS4.
It's true honestly consoles limit innovation in gaming.
But the way to fix it is give players cross save. That way they wont lose everything they worked for by switching..
Eventually console players will move to pc or upgrade to better consoles. You cant hold progress back because some people refuse to upgrade hardware.
Extend a lifeboat to them with cross save so whenever they can afford to move to a better console or pc they wont be punished by having to start over.
@@Iron-Blurrwhat a silly thing to say. Consoles don’t limit gaming at all. Building games to support PCs with specs from ten years ago does. To took at someone gaming on an Xbox one and PS4 and at they’re the reason games are the way it is and not point the finger at people who unironically haven’t upgraded their pc’s hardware since they bought it in 2012 is idiotic.
@@Daniele-PierreDuLac Dude. Just stop.
I came from console. It runs much worse and im constantly running out of space from having too many games installed and not enough room for them all. On pc i just throw stuff on my terabytes and forget about it.
The simplest solution is to just keep upgrading the game but make it cross save enabled so players can switch over if they want access to new content if thry want but their console may or may not be able to handle it. Give them cross save so they can swap over without losing everything.
@@Iron-Blurr And that’s why PC has bugs and lags. Lol
um where's the link to the interview?
Pinned.
What memory issue are they talking about? Just saying memory doesn't really tell me why. Is it ram? cpu? The gpu in the console? I want to know what they mean. I'm trying to get the new xbox but it's never in stock, I have a mid range gaming pc that has a i5-10400f and a 1660s with 16gb of ram. I prefer to play eso on xbox like most of my games b/c I've been playing on xbox since it came out. If someone can better explain what the issue is I would appreciate it.
I just want Cadwell and that invisible rat in Fargrave as companions....:)
All that empty space in Cyrodil needs to be trimmed out. Fix the map. Redo pvp zones.
smaller spaces would mean less memory, and less annoyance traveling Cyrodil so i agree, good idea
Jeff Kaplan, Alex Afrasiabi, and Rob Pardo, Plus 7 other Devs All worked on Everquest 1, before building WoW....In response to the DaoC comment.
Current Blizzard President J. Allen Brack admitted as much when he said, “Certainly, I think WoW took a lot of great ideas from EverQuest.
Alex and I think Jeff were GMs of EQ guilds. Not sure they worked on the game.
@@MClaudiusMarcellus They were Guild Leaders of the two top raid guilds who competed with each other for world first completion of content and raids. They were so obsessed with the game they were brought in by wow for game design to make things simpler for players than what was currently hardcore content. Alex GM of Fires of Heaven and Jeff was GM of Legacy of Steel. Jeff went by Tigole on forums and a couple other games while working at Blizzard until people realized who he was, similar happened to Alex but idr his username. Both guilds had employees of Blizzard in them and that's what brought the two into attention to Blizzard south.
Appreciate the honestly, but think it should be that open long time ago to make People understand WHY thinks are the way they are. With the new Consonsoles out i hope more Option will be Open.
older consoles would rip. Should just ditch older consoles and focus on pc and new gen consoles
This one is finally among the first!!! This is helpful in understanding why new assets aren’t being introduced, but there are plenty of existing assets that could be utilized to give players what they want (e.g. skill lines, classes, skins, polymorphs) Housing slots I understand that more now.
Some new skins polymorphs ,classes can now be bought from crown crates .....
There is nothing added to the game itself that allows us to get a lot of things by only playing the game .
There is a lot of stuff that we need to get from crown store
It means that game is going on the way "pay to win"
They should stop charging for "expansions" since they are not actually expansions and dont really expand much, and they are just reused assets and never anything different. Its just copy paste from elsewhere
@@ewapiksrandeb3966 classes can be purchased from crown crates?
Hmmm. Wouldn't that mean if ESO is supposed to have a future, at some point, people will have to port to newer consoles or the game becomes stale?
Basicly keep the old bricks running and have everyone stand still or stop updates for the old bricks and basicly force people to port to newer, better hardware.
Could be wrong, but that's my concerns here.
This is probably what will happen I imagine. They'll keep it running on older consoles until it becomes untenable, and then depreciate support for them probably at some point. I believe ff14 did this at some point too (though that has the benefit of shared pc servers so you're not locked into console play).
At least it is good to know there is possibly some good reasoning behind the issues and not incompetence
The only thing I can ask why to is why pc eso gets free addons and consoles sucky bootleg versions like Armory system is monetized that's a valid why question
I love Stadia. I could play ESO in 4k max graphics on all kinds of old machines, my phone, and a do so wherever I have a decent internet connection. It's awesome. Only bad side is no mods, but honestly, it's not a biggie. If I really wanted to make selling stuff in bulk easier I can log in through steam and use mods that way, no problem.
They should sunset the old tech at some point. I mean, the older xbox one consoles (like the one that I own) are 7 years old at this point. I appreciate that they didn't want to ask their customers to have to "keep up with the Jones'" when it comes to hardware. I just wonder at what point you jump ahead. Like is it unreasonable to move to the next gen in 2023? I'd think not, and I think that most gamers would get it. If you're only needing to upgrade hardware every 9-10 years, it's manageable.
It makes more sence.I agree.Now ESO is based on adding things that were created before.Its kinda copy pasting content.That was old is also current content.Nothing new.Bugs,lags,players cant enter to the game or some ppl are kicked for exploit or trading a lot.
Another thing that causing not relevant content is fixing stuff that will not fix most of existing bugs.In addition from patch to patch there is a lot unfortunate bugs coming to making older content than current patch less playable.
Making sets that will allow you to kill characters in pvp will not feel new players to be more powerful ,because experienced player also can use that.Players are reading patch notes and testing things on pts,new ones dont know about that.
A lot of players would only dream to get new extra content to pvp.In pve there are some new dungeons or trials,but some players want to make content to be more challenging cuz they want to take risks and learn new strategies.
Without all of these things,the game its only patched old content with added events.For new players its game that is worth to atleast try to play.For experienced ones is boring and want to not waste any time,some leaving, some still want to keep up in it
What if they reallocate 1% of bonus for top managements to improve their services to customers?
Get lost Commie, get that propaganda outta here
This is one of the best eso videos I've seen in a while
It is worrysome that he doesnt consider eso to be a "mmorpg". I think we are letting that slip by and its worth talking about.
agreed, tbh im not a matt fan. And i think him saying its not a "mmorpg" is kinda of dumb. it IS an Rpg, it IS an MMO. its just marketing political shit. Also i think some of his design choices have caused more harm than good. like MMOs have to evolve with time. you have MMos that are coming out that just FEEL better and look better, not saying that they will kill ESO but playing BDO or new world and then playing ESO. ESO feels like it was made back in like 2010 sometimes.
@Kendy yikes. That may explain a good bit
Is it though ? I play this game pretty much like singleplayer. In fact I didn't felt overwhelmed at all even at begginings because everything I knew from regular TES games were working in ESO as expected. Only tiny bits were changed.
I recall ZOS refusing to call it MMORPG for while now, simply because many people who play don't care for MMORPG that much. And tbh I am almost sure all 'old MMO' andies crowd also don't consider ESO an actual MMORPG either.
Just look at their takes usually on any new MMO beyond WoW.
They blame the lack of new skills in game mechanics on consoles but yet in other interviews they say they can't bring cross play because the PC version and the console version are totally different games. HMMMMM PS if you remember GTA v started out on Xbox 360 and Playstation, but eventually Rockstar gave up on the 360 version because the hardware could not handle it. So keep the console separate from the PC like it already is and continue with two different games expand the PC as far as computers can take it and stick within the limits of the Xbox x and start upgrading the Xbox x series
All the things he said happen to FFXIV but somehow ffxiv doing so well compared to ESO.
Well explains the drastic nerfs lol they are out of room.
ok we got what we got
Simple solution!
CROSS SAVE!
Eso takes a long time to get into. Imagine how long it would take to start all over with a new account on pc.
Make it possible for console players to transition over to more modern consoles or pc and that will help remedy the situation. At the very least players will have the choice to stay on console or move to pc without the dread of starting all over looming over their head..
I pray every day for this. 18 end game pvp toons, 4 fully furnished notable houses, over 20k hours in game & $5k spent. No way i’m starting over but would love to play on PC. Should’ve never invested so much into a console game.
I'll stick with my PS4 and eventually in a couple of years get a PS5. I've never cared for PC games or playing on them.
Yes they should allow cross-save feature to solve issue of consoles. Only issue might be next gen consoles shortages + scalpers.
i dont know whats worse, hearing how console held and continues holding the game back or that so many players are going to watch this interview and give up 🙁
Someone give Matt Firor a purple lace jack.
Love his response sick of people asking for ESO2.
True talent is migrating to ashes of creation
Im scared to watch this and hear what they say
I hope they eventually depreciate the old consoles and only develop the game for the new hardware so that we can break free from these limitations. The new console generations can handle more ambitious additions to the game. And eventually laptop users will have to enter the second decade of the 21st century to play games like the rest of us have.
We already knew it was the Xbox One and PS4 holding the game back, this was just the first time (I think they might have actually said it before now but idk) a developer has outright said it.
I know that Nintendo discontinued online services for the Wii at some point
Maybe Sony & Microsoft can do the same (or a similar) thing for their older consoles eventually as a platform-wide push to the future.
Only problem would be that there is ongoing next gen console shortage. That being said ZOS should try to develop pc ESO version instead more. And then maybe think what from pc can land onto consoles.
@@cracmar03 it would probably be a year or two down the line for production to be back to normal, this release for next gen was a perfect storm for scalpers but guaranteed when the chip shortage goes away there will be more in stock than the money grabbing weirdos can buy
I think this is a big problem with mmos on console. Yoshi-P (FFXIV) mentioned they had to hold back in certain shadowbringers zones because they ran out of memory.
This was incredibly insightful thank you for sharing this with us
Daoc 2 please
That’s kind of what Camelot unchained was going to unofficially be. But it seems like a lame duck at this point.
A real daoc 2 would be amazing
ESO is DAoC II. I didn't realize until today why I liked the mechanics of this game so much(Matt from Mythic). Basically the BS from DAoC was fixed in this game. The biggest thing I remember people wanting was "active combat". People were very disappointed when Warhammer Online came out and the combat really didn't change(slightly faster). No dodge roll or active blocking.
This was the game that changed that and I'm glad to see that one of the Mythic crew brought it to fruition(somebody was actually listening).
@@slippyC73 A lot of games used DAoC as a reference. I see your point though!
Nothing said about the poor servers , Eso is the only mmo i cant play because of lag and not just in pvp
I think we already knew this , but maybe it'll be better when they phase out PS4 because the newer consoles are finally getting half decent. Not on the level of PC by any means , but decent specs.
The new consoles match all but the high end PC hardware and that isn't the majority of players anyway.
So since next gen is out we going to see some new shit then right? Riiiight?
So after they checked out the numbers of the New World release, they got afraid and had to find someone to blame for - consoles.
Not the age old god awful engine or coding, no. Blame the big if not the bigger part of the playerbase.
Why not take time and make an eso2 than?
Well this interview at least managed to reach its goal - rally pc players against consoles.
Good job.
This interview was in June.
It's kinda depressing that this guy is directing the game. He may even have good intentions, but intentionally stunting an MMO based on 7+ year old consoles is a terrible decision. No one wants to stay on consoles that old. Square Enix was smarter than that.
It's to much of grind for a version 2 why would you after all the money players poor into one mmo to then go to mmo par 2 its so stupid I wish people would stop mentioning eso 2 ah NNNOOO
They need many quality of life things, but only add a few.
I switched to the PC and lost many things. Very annoying, but the add-ons are very valuable.
Oh wow
This is so disappointing ngl. No offence to the console players but holy moly it is so sad to hear we didnt get like proper new content (class/skill line) and what not because of the potato console hardware. That is just disappointing.
I play on console and I agree. I'm sad too. This revelation turns ESO into an even more static game than I already thought it was becoming. They can't add anything fun. Classes are stuck in the mud and won't see any new cool/unique skills added for class identity. New weapon skill lines seem impossible at this point. So... ESO is just going to be the same stuff with new coats of paint? Pass. Such potential unfulfilled.
In part this is why i HATE mmo's being on console, it limits them greatly. "But jonathan ff xiv is amazing on console". Sure the game is good and it works, but it only enforces my take becuase we are still limited due to it existing there, both games are held back SO much because they have to worry about consoles. People want new world on ps5, it would be like 14 fps at 1080p if it was. I do applaud the eso devs for getting it to be as smooth as it is, introducing multithreading to the pc version was a game changer, i literally gained like 40 fps and i maintain above 75 fps (my monitor is 75hz) IN major cities with 100 people running around. Before multithreading i got like 45 fps in those areas. Also guild wars 2 is proof mmo sequels can work.
I recently moved to pc from console and the game is literally unplayable on ps4 these days. I think they need to seperate the two platforms entirely, that way pc can move forward. Consoles will be left behind in a way but thats just due to the capabilities of the device. Me and some of my friends left thousands of hours, gear, titles, guilds and in game money/materials totalling tens of millions of gold for a fresh start with nothing just for a better experience. Most of us were above 1400cp and had 10 or more characters.
Just make cross save a thing and leave behind consoles.
Right now i bet a lot of players dont want to lose their characters and all the progress they made on console and neve to start over from zero.
Give them cross save and i bet a lot of them would move to more modern hardware.
Removing disincentives helps a lot when you try to get people to do something..
FFXIV is proof MMO sequels work. There is also zero lag, bugs and glitches in that game. Zero. I play on an original PS4.
@@playmakernumber1255 I play EOS on an original PS4 and it’s pretty stable. I only ever experience rubberbanding in ultra rare instances. The game looks amazing as well. I play fairly often too.
@@TheMusicolophile You are a liar, ff xiv on ps4 especially newer stuff is a PAIN. Graphical issues, lag. You dont need to lie. You can like it there all you want, but trying to lie about it doesnt do anything good for you or anyone. Me who has both, knows your lying first hand because im literally looking at it right now.
3:25 wait we have to suffer because of the console peasants ?
3:54
Yes MMO'S aren't meant for consoles
@@S91892R why is something like destiny 2 working then? D2 is much more intensive
Bruh get off the high horse.
Pc players are incels!
How about the awful performance . I’m sure that’s all consoles fault. We can’t do better because it’s the customers fault. Bs
Its not entirely wrong. Console frames and graphics and computing is actually limited. Convenient but limited.
If they treated consoles with upgradeable graphic cards like PC it wouldnt be as big an issue. But console specs are built very specific and are limited by how the respective companies allow the consoles to function.
Its why we have seperate servers and service and coding for each version of the game
Deal With It! The truth hurts, the lie kills, but the doubt tortures.
every evil comes from console smh
As much as I like ESO, I wish it would not have gotten the second chance. I want new mainline TES game and I'm ready to move on at this point.
ESO is handled by another dev team, no dev team of TES VI is hindered by ESO
Bethesda is NOT making ESO. ESO was in making by ZOS while Betha was doing TES V Skyrim. You literally had development of ESO before TES V even.
Funny how they dont have enough memory to add new animations or stuff to the game, but then we get new crown store shit all the time x)))
That's because the devs arent all that great and they have outdated programs they have to work with. Theres a lot of things these guys say that most people have no clue about. Once you understand how tech works you realize they are limited by their own incompetence, laziness and refusal to hire more staff( since they prefer to enrich themselves at the top)
They use spyware ( causes much of the bloat) to analyze every damn thing every player does. They got caught using it before, using a program called Red Shell.
This guy is a massive twot and should be fired. Theres no reason ESO should be over 100 gigs. But they need their bloated spyware at Zenimax.
Lazy company, with greedy leadership, and encompetant staff all around
Blame the consoles... lol already upgraded to PS5. But damn sucks to hear.
you upgraded for a better eso experience and youre not getting it lol. but other games you play will be slightly better looking.
It is time for ESO2. REALLY, IT IS. Comparison to Netflix is stupid. Game is much more complicated and it is clear that the engine is holding them back and the game is archaic at this point.
Not really stupid. Do you see WoW 2 anywhere ? Or Guild Wars 3 ? It's MMO, not singleplayer game. People would be helluva pissed when they would pull ESO 2 now, so that you can kiss goodbye all invested time and money. Just because they refused to try and work around their engine.
@@cracmar03 I would not be pissed, and I am sure I'm not alone in that statement. There is Guild Wars 2, Lineage 2, WoW Classic and on. Still think Netflix comparrison does not have sense or why lack of will to make MMOs sequels make it valid comparisson.
There is time and money put in singleplayer games that even do not have online component and there are ton of sequels.
Working around engine that was not good at the first place is limiting and not good for players. Part two could be free of mistakes taken and enriched with new solutions, preferrably being actual Elder Scrolls game to.
WE JUST WANT MORE CONTENT JESUS IS THAT HARD
Him comparing the game to netflix doesnt work. Netflix is a streaming platform for content they produce. ESO IS the content. And animations, armor, and other things already look dated as is. The fact that they are constantly limited in design and advancement by almost a decade-old, cheap console hardware is disheartening and scary. Maybe that explains why their necromancer is the worst necromancer take in video game history.
Don't tell me you are one of guys who wanted just to have Sorcerer 2.0 with undead instead of pets ... if that's take on necromancy then it's the basic one. I actually longed for necromancy take where it would be focused far more on what this magic actually is supposed to be - the manipulating of life force magic. Before ESO only decent takes on necromancy to my memory had Arcanum of Steamworks and Magick Obscura and Spellforce.
Necromancy should be always so much more then just 'make dozens of zombies and follow me' take. I love ESO's take on necromancer, because it is finally not cliche 'edgy dude who raises skeletons to fight for him' take.
It finally utilizes everything that magic should be, from raising spirits to temprorary aid you, to manipulating life force from corpses to aid you, to ressurection of allies - further connecting that Necromancy and Restoration are branches of same magic tree (just like Arcanum did), to pure damaging spells, to finally imbuing yourself with power of necromancy (which based of regular lichhood alone is yet another normal thing for necromancy to be capable of - to evolve user) and transform into Colossus.
Only regret is that life stealing should be a thing on long range, but well I am okay with scythe. I actually laughed at it quite bit, definately getting into 'reaper' feeling of necromancy.
@@cracmar03 ESO's necromancer is mostly bad and many other people view it as such. Summoning a skeleton that blows up into green goo every 3 seconds is undefendable and lazy in terms of combat design and animation. In a boss fight, I'd hardly call it interesting to push a button every 3 seconds to have a skeleton form up and fall down in the same spot with a number pop up, neither is it an entertaining animation to watch; it's a shame that it's so powerful that you're forced to use it--an example of more bad design. To criticize having multiple pets as being edgy, but summoning...scary tombstones that deal damage isn't? Necro gameplay, like every other build in this game, is static, repetitive, and boring in longer fights.
I like some aspects of it, but yes, it is largely a wonky-looking cartoon of a class that still relies on the same skills most classes of their respective resource use, but that is a flaw with the game as a whole and not the class. They could have done so much more with the corpse mechanic, and yes, having undead minions is the most identifiable and desirable thing about a necromancer, not lobbing flaming skulls like hobgoblin. Couple of claymore-wielding draugr that interact with the corpse mechanic as a resource > spamming some fire skulls and exploding goo skeletons.
I just wish they would just add in goup chat or proximity chat
zos is doign great with changing the cp and the hybrid gear sets but its the content that needs to change and get mixed up its the same thing every dlc and chapter.there is no hope on the pvp side for zos to fix the lag.
I was saddened. may is a great motivation to make a new pc only game called New ULTIMA WORLD
Now this Is awkward, then what do we expect? More zones?
Thing is if they don't improve they will die, people will move on as better games come out
that’s super revealing on the content side and depressing, but why if they can’t deliver new content can’t they at least give performance on some basic stuff to make us pvpers happy, if stuns and skills worked fine i’d be over the moon and would actually play the game again, i don’t care if i don’t get new content i just want the old stuff to work. i guess the constant rewriting to make the game fit console makes that dream unrealistic
The ONLY solution would be to make the engine more scalable. We still got lots of new tech. But still lazy excuse for bugs, not even talking about performance which is fine everywhere besides cyrodiil. But yeah New World catched me because of the few bugs and general fluidity of animations and no freaking loading screen every 5 meters.. Still hope they will succeed as ESO is my favorite PVE game.
And why can't they add new animation, but the radiant-sunflare senche can make a meteor shower?
Talking console with memory size... this gen has the exact same memory space as the last gen...
But guess they mean ram memory not hard drive memory???
Ya I don't think its hard drive space.
I wish they would think differently like the BDO team and stop bothering with friggin 7 yr old consoles! Forward ever backward never! Give us dem sweet new animations an shit!
The "social game" aspect he's talking about is literally helping the game become MMO again, and he says it made it "not an MMORPG" kek
He meant that some of the traditional RPG progression was taken out, which made it less an RPG and more just an online game with quests, and that with that change the game became more social. Also MMO isn't the same as MMORPG...
honestly if they would just put more effort into pvp performance this game could be great
So they basically going down the ff14 route? Interesting, very interesting…
And now you know they were always full of sh*t about fixing lag in PvP. They've known for a long time they couldn't(which I suspected it was because to many animations on screen at once). I'd imagine they can do a good bit for new consoles and more powerful PCs, but they are forced in working with the least common denominator.
He was referring to animations. Basically only so many different ones can be loaded up at once to show simultaneous actions by multiple people. I wonder at different distances if there are generic animations(not the real animation) that gives illusion to keep the battles looking interesting? I mean you won't know the real ability someone casts at 50ft away, so I wonder if this is a strategy they use to cut down on lag.
I disagree that this means they can't add new abilities(as long as the visuals were semi-recycled or just by using different colors). I would imagine new playable races, that weren't based on current models are not likely.
The most interesting thing I came away from the interview with is it is Matt from DAoC. I know why I like the mechanics of this game so much now. Played DAoC for a long time(was my 2nd main MMO after Everquest). Before Mythic released Warhammer Online people begged with them to have a combat system like ESO(ESO didn't exist but we called the combat "active combat", which ESO later seemed to have pulled off). It's interesting to see someone from that crew finally saw the combat to fruition. Which I would say, he succeeded.
I hate MMOs, I only signed up for ESO because there's no Elder Scrolls 6 out yet. I'm a single player gamer, I just got bored with playing Skyrim over and over..
well I was same, but ESO to me basically IS build like singleplayer. I have been playing it for about 3 years now. Content alone and role playing keeps me occupied.
that's not ESO's limitation, that's consoles. this isn't anything new. consoles have been simultaneously pushing the industry forward by bringing gaming to more people, but also severely holding the industry back because of dated and limited hardware.
that’s no hope for this laggy buggy shithole game when it comes to pvp,the only light in the tunnel they have is pve
"player hostile" (in reference to scaling & a social game) translation...no realistic consequences.
And there's no way ESO is more social than other MMOs. What makes a game social is hard content that requires players to work together. ESO has easy content and companions, super anti-social game by design unless you raid.
Consoles are a thorn in the side of gamers.
Not for me. I prefer console to PC.
Same here, I spend my days at work sat up in front of a PC, I really don’t want to be doing that at home as well!
Just like previous mmos on older consoles. In the next 1-2 yrs I see eso leaving last gen because it is being held back way to much and tech can’t keep up on the old gens.
ZoS: We want players with poor pc be able to play the game.
The game: [ crash immediately at dolmen ] on average pc
they should just shutdown the xbox one and ps4 versions and just focus on series x/ps5 and pc
I mean, FF14 was the second MMORPG in that franchise and is to this day one of the biggest MMORPG's in the world. So I mean, yes it has been done, and can be done but the odds are definitely against the developers imo. Also, Guild wars 2 and destiny 2.
All I want is battle grounds to be playable just fix the lag 😫 I don't want anything else
Damn, then they need to somehow move console megaservers to new ones. Or start developing pc megaservers with tech updates, and then have to decide what console can handle. Like I really want new class. I've been waiting for something like Bard or Elemental Mage for years at this point. I want more furniture slots too.
And can console handle improved character creator models ? Is this why we can't have longer hair too ?
If this is how it goes, it is about time to make decision to slowly move ESO console megaservers either to next gen or just stop developing it aside of pc. Let pc flourish first and then try to adjust changes to outdated consoles.
I don't think console players will be mad, they know their hardware limitations.
It’s all about the new players. Give them a two button proc to make them feel good. Dark convergence ☠️