Love them or hate them? Q1 Twins Running Session with Archive Sound.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ต.ค. 2024
- Dividing opinions since introduced, the unique Bulleid Q1's were strong performers and a radical solution to a specific set of wartime requirements. Much effort went into the design to make them as free steaming, and as free running as possible.
So, not only were they strong - often cited as the most powerful 0-6-0's ever built, but they had a surprising turn of speed too. When first introduced they were permitted to run at speeds of up to 75mph and were more than capable of doing so - not bad for an austerity goods engine!
However, with their high pitched boiler and centre of gravity, this was reportedly pretty hairy on the footplate and they were soon limited to 55mph. But that's still pretty fast for an 0-6-0 right? Not surprisingly they were often found on passenger workings as well as goods trains.
During trials, the Q1 had ample pulling power to haul lengthy unfitted freight trains of over 900 tons at 45mph. Their Achilles heal however was the braking - to stop such a train at that speed took over 3 miles and during the trial resulted in a SPAD* of over a mile! By way of comparison, the much heavier Maunsell S15 could stop in just over half that distance.
The brief for this C1 was to represent the real loco as seen in photographs of her working on the Bluebell Railway in the mid 1990's. She was kept very clean when in West Sussex, but even the cleanest engines still get dirty in certain areas. The sides were given the oily rag look to simulate dirt and shine in a pleasing and prototypical combination.
A similar, but slightly more aged and worn look was requested for C24. For reference, BluffersToBuffers supplied images of the sole survivor as currently preserved in the NRM. If you haven't already - make sure you check out their excellent TH-cam channel:
/ blufferstobuffers
The @officialhornby model raised the bar for RTR OO gauge locomotives. Although it’s now 18 years since first released, it’s still an excellent and superbly detailed model that is a fantastic basis for customisation.
The sound used in this video is taken from footage of C1 working in preservation, alongside archive recordings made by Peter Handford. The Peter Handford recordings are available through Old Thundridge Records and feature with their kind permission.
*SPAD = Signal Passed at Danger
In my personal opinion the SR Q1 class are not ugly to me but very unique, I’m not sure why I think that but I absolutely adore their look!!!
Yeah me too. Designed either most convention thrown out the window and the end result was a rugged, powerful and very successful steam locomotive. 9/10 Mr Bulleid 👍
"Neville" on Neville Grove. Nice
Indeed! My Gramps was called Neville ( I named the layout after him) and Bulleids were his absolute favourites too.
Not surprising that the Q1 introduced in T&F is named Neville. I liked this video for you having the only preserved Q1 loco in your fleet.
Love them! Will have to build one at some point! Great video mate :)
Thank you, and yes you should! What scale would that be in?
Definitely love them ❤️ nice to hear the archive sounds, too!
Yeah that was a given to be fair! Glad you enjoyed the video - having your Q1 visit really spurs me on to chip and weather mine....
Thoroughly enjoyed. I Didn't know Q1's worked passenger services as well.
Thank you very much. I don’t know if any of them were fitted with steam heating equipment, if not then such workings may have been limited to the summer with the SR / BR. C1 shown here depicts the loco when working on the Bluebell.
I rode behind a Q1 out of (I think) Charing Cross, some time in the late 1950s. It was a replacement because of some kind of disruption. I remember that it went very slowly…
@@NEVILLEGROVE Come to think of it, I'm not sure any British railway company ever had steam generating waggons like those used by French and German railways to provide steam lines for passenger trains when hauled by steam or diesel non equipped locomotives.
Now you’ve hit the nail , coffee pot the best loco ever in my humble southern opinion . Regards Fred 👌😎
They ooze charm and character in my opinion too and were obviously extremely capable 👌 If you’re a Southern fan - watch this space! 👀
@@NEVILLEGROVE The Q1 locomotives may not win any beauty contests, but seeing as it was meant for the harsh conditions of war time and it performed as well as it did proves that it is a marvelous piece of engineering. Of all the World War 2 era steam engines the Q1 is one of my favorites along side LNER Dwight D Eisenhower and the American Union Pacific Big Boy
Your subtle weathering is most impressive!
Thank you very much. When I eventually weather mine it definitely won’t be subtle though as I model the late BR period!
Less is more but as always with your videos I just want more.
Exquisitely done.
Haha! Well that’s a good thing I guess, thank you! 🙏
0:47 As an American who's new to UK steam, I'm not sure what the set of small rods on the front left wheel is for
Ah good question, that is the mechanical lubricator which is activated by the wheels turning. C27 doesn’t have one fitted from memory, I think some of the Class had them retro fitted whilst others had them from new. It’s not always as obvious as this on most British designs by the way 👍
Nice video .Enjoy it thanks
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!
I like the Q1, there unique look what makes them interesting for me.
Love 'em. Most powerful 0-6-0 to ever run in the UK...
Yeah I love em too. Fast as well by all accounts but yes too light for long unfitted goods, they were in danger of getting pushed along with the wheels locked up 😱
@@NEVILLEGROVE Yes, I read that! 😆
@@novakingood3788 must have been pretty hair raising!
Loved every second of it.
Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for watching 👍
I'm curious to learn why, given the extreme austerity built into these locomotives, they still went for inside cylinders? It seems external cylinders would've been far easier to maintain and they certainly had room for them!
Also, can anyone tell me a bit about the eccentric rod on the locomotive's driver's side?
-curious from Los Angeles.
Thx all!
Nice. Is the sound archive Q1? As I remember them they had a very soft exhaust presumably due to the multiple jet blastpipe
Thanks! Archive but only from the preservation era on the Bluebell. Unfortunately I don’t have any Peter Handford recordings of any Q1’s but I was lucky enough to see / ride behind C1 on the Bluebell. One of my favourites - would love to see it running again.
@@NEVILLEGROVE The Feltham Q1 locos were often on the North London transfer freights. You can probably get the effect of the soft Bulleid exhaust by rolling off the higher frequencies of the audio.
If you compare different classes on the climb up to Sapperton it is striking how the exhaust from the Bulleid engines barely rises above the top of the boiler whereas GWR locos produce a volcano.
@@NEVILLEGROVE I have found that I very much enjoyed some of the locomotives created from the war time requirements of World War I and World War II, because of the unique appearances and industrial feel of them like you see with the Q1. I also like that many of them tend to have been very durable, since they were designed to be used under very unfavorable conditions. Other than the Q1 other locomotives that come to mind that are like this are the Union Pacific big boy, the US army steam switcher locomotives that were exported worldwide during World War II and some of the very early diesel locomotives of the RS type series that were introduced for war time freight service in the 1940s.
Would you do a layout tour?
Hi yes I will do eventually! Watch this space. In the meantme there are some layout plans on my website:
neville-grove.weebly.com/layout-design.html
Well, they were build for ease of maintenance not for their looks! They did the job, what more could you want!
Yes "function over form" to use the old architectural phrase. They certainly exceeded all expectations of the design brief performance wise, so they surely have to be considered extremely successful. Bulleids most successful even???
The only reason I disliked the Q1’s was because they made my childhood favourite 0-6-0, the J 38 the second most powerful 0-6-0 in Britain! I spotted them as a child in Fife.
Oh yeah I can understand that! They do look impressive machines with those huge boilers. Did they have smaller wheels than J39’s then which made them more powerful?
Of course they are ugly, but I love them 😍
Yep me too. Ugly maybe, charismatic definitely! 🤩
Brilliant 👏
Thank you 🙏 - and thanks for watching!
Love them... :-)
Good one, yeah me too 👍👍
I still don’t understand why people call these ugly, you want an ugly locomotive? Look up the worlds largest camelback
I agree I think they have an honest / functional beauty about them. I’ll look up the camelback though, not heard of that!
hornby onttttttttttttttttes was shock shock the big city engine woaw seeee tha
Beautifully ugly!!!! Love them, but isn't she a bit too clean🤣🤣 Instant Bluebell scenes.👍🏻
They’re great, ugly but charismatic. Yes very clean, these were both to replicate the look of C1 as preserved for my customers, but as my layout is late BR steam my own Q1 will most definitely be absolutely grotty!
@@NEVILLEGROVE Good man!!!! I know it was clean on the Bluebell but it just didn't look right.
@@bobingram6912 Indeed a very rare occurrence with BR. You get used to seeing them that way!
The brakes weren't up to much either. You needed a good fitted head on a heavy freight!
@@royfearn4345 indeed, I think that was partly to do with them having such an impressively high power to weight ratio. They could have done with a brake tender like was used on the early diesels!