Makes me think of all the people complaining about "bad writing" that they didn't keep the Dothraki behind the walls to fight the Night King in the Battle of Winterfell.
I honestly don’t understand why everyone gets on Theon for jumping overboard. It was literally the ONLY thing he could have done in that moment. His sister’s throat would have been cut if he took a step forward. His uncle was daring him to knowing that it was an unwinnable situation. At least this wayTheon might have a chance to go back and rescue her.
He’s still wasn’t completely back, he almost there but not yet, and besides, there is never shame in running from a losing fight, cause that way, you can fight another day.
I like how Natalie's like, who is Jon Snow? "We'll find out eventually." But the revealing scene has already happened. She just didn't know what it meant.
@@Waytothedawn63 there's another reveal though later on. you get a proper one at the end of series 7 when he's banging his aunt and i think Bran is talking
28:25 Jaime never cared about Joffrey like he did Tommen or Myrcella. he'd always try disassociate, in the books he considers him a sociopath and doesn't want to be his father either way. that's why he's not bothered by Olenna saying this
So then why was he rushing to Joffrey so desperately when he was dying? He was just as upset and frantic during Joffrey's death as he was during Myrcella's death.
While he didn't care about Joffrey, he was probably angry about the things that Joffrey's death set in motion: Tyrion getting accused, Tywin's death, Oberyn getting himself killed, which led to Myrcella's death etc.
I like to think that Bran became so cold as the Three-Eyed Raven because he saw and felt EVERYTHING. And in order to preserve his sanity, he had to shut down that part of himself that felt emotion because the alternative was to die of sorrow.
I see it more as a result of the idea that a person is their "experiences" or memories. Now, as the 3 Eyed Raven, his head is full of so many years of memories, that the piece that is the life and memories of Bran Stark is a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the sum of his total memories, completely overwhelmed by the collection memories of the Three Eyed Raven. He has so many different memories from different lives, places, and times in history that it all just sort of blends together to form the dull, lifeless persona that is the Three Eyed Raven.
@@KS-xk2so Wouldn't it have made more sense for him to have become everyone instead of no one? So that talking to him would be like talking to anyone who had ever lived? You could walk up to him and say, Hey, Grandma, what was that secret recipe you were going to tell me on your deathbed but you died in mid-sentence?, and he'd smile in the way she used to and say 'oh yes, child, I'm sorry about that, it was X'
@@rtozier2011 I think it's more likely to be just a blank personality because any one person is only 0.0000001% of his total memories, so any unique or individual personality traits are just toned out due to the sheer mass of all the memories. He could tell you the recipe, but he wouldn't act like the grandmother.
@@KS-xk2so So far as I know he didn't get any memories from the previous three eyed ravens, or was this stated to be the case in the books? My interpretation was that his green-seeing journeys into the past don't occur 1:1 with the passage of time the rest of the world is experiencing. As such he might be spending subjective years as an unseen spectator in the past for every day that passes for everyone else. So in the weeks or months that it takes for him and Meera to reach the wall he could have "lived" for centuries or millennia in the past just silently watching the world, becoming mentally the oldest being in the world by far, to the point where he just naturally grew detached due to the vast span of time (relative) that separates him from everyone else.
as much as i don't like the writing in this season, Hot Pie's line to Arya -- "I can't believe I thought you were a boy. You're pretty!" warms my heart. Arya grew up being told how ugly she was (by Sansa), so to hear otherwise puts a smile on my face
Me too! But I cant believe Arya didnt invite him to winterfell. That's the only issue I have with the scene. Arya keeps being heartless and violent and never gets questioned for it. But other characters kill and its seen as "mad".
@@slenderfoxx3797 knowing that Winterfell might be a place of war if Cersei decides to strike might have been the reason she didn't invite him. Also she only had one horse. He would slow her down.
19:47 I never understood why ppl were trashing Theon for fleeing. What exactly did they want him to realistically do in that situation? Fight through over a dozen armed men to save his sister who has a knife to her throat?
Well Jon stood his ground vs the Bolton charge in the battle of the basterds so Yeah he should have tried to get his sister back and face the danger. I mean Jon had the look of a man with courage and Theon runs away and jumps ship so a coward.
@@shootingreal5945 there were no proverbial Knights Of The Vale on their way to rescue Yara's fleet and Theon knew it. He was with Ramsay long enough to understand the only way to keep Yara alive from Euron was to bail, guys like Ramsay and Euron get off on suffering and Reek witnessed that every day. I think he knew exactly what he was doing.
So an average fighter with PTSD should try to fight his way though over a dozen armed fighters to rescue his sister who has a knife to her throat and could be killed if he tried anything… because a very good fighter did something in an unrelated battle?
@@shootingreal5945 Theon would have died, and he knew he would have dies. His heroics wouldn't have saved his sister and may have actually got her killed. His decision meant he could later save her life
37:20 “He came running at me, this dumb high-born lad, thinking he could end the rebellion with a single swing of his sword” - Robert Baratheon foreshadowing Jamie’s attempt on Danny
Jaime really should have died as a result of this act. I don't hate the last seasons as much as many others do, but it is clear that the main characters don't face consequences for their bad decisions like in the earlier seasons.
Naaah he liked to sing, fuck and start wars that killed thousands of men, women, children, his own wife and 2 children, just cause he was in "love" with a 16 year old teenager! Naaah he is a despicable man that Jon needs no attachment to, Jon is all Ned's for all I care!🙌💯
"The bastard of Winterfell." "The dwarf of Casterly Rock." "I believe we last saw each other on top of the wall." "You were pissing off the edge, if I remember right. Picked up some scars along the road." "It's been a long road. But we're both still here". Ahhh man. Season 1 Episode 3. Nostalgia intensifies 😭
Right. For the sake of realism they could have had two or three seasons of real-time, with us watching Euron and his crew mostly sitting around, doing nothing on wide open seas with nothing around them. This is, without a doubt, the dumbest of dumb criticisms. Maybe for those who are particularly dim, they could have constantly flashed "three weeks later" to make you happier.
@@AndyMatts44 I dunno Daenerys' teleportation (and whoever it was who travelled back to tell her) when Jon et al were stuck north of the wall feels like a pretty valid criticism. Didn't they even say they were "6 days away from the nearest woman" or some shit, but they ran back to the wall, sent a raven to her, and she flew all the way up to them in what seems like a matter of hours?
"Spoils of War" is probably my favorite part of this season. It is one of the early promises the show makes... and watching it finally delivered was really mind blowing.... all I could think of was Khal Drogo swearing before the Mother of Mountains..... that this would happen 🎊🎉 omg, love it. It's one of the few moments (for me) the story begins to feel like it's completing itself.
27:27 Actually the Tyrells had one of the largest forces left in the seven kingdoms. Their lords “turned” on the Tyrells because they sided with Dany, considering the Cersei murdered most of the Tyrells (who were more beloved than feared) it really made no sense for their lords to turn on them, except as weak writing by D&D. It was things like this that made no sense that was a warning for season 8.
The logic went basiacally like this: Dany is OP, we need her to lose shit, ok she can lose Dorne and The Reach since nobody really cares about them now after season 6. How can she lose the reach? Well Olenna is an old lady and therefore not a military commander aka somehow meaning no army. Sams father is an asshole who would totally fight for Cercei after she killed his beloved liege family. Why? Because Randylls only personality trait in the show is being an asshole, so they can basically get him to do whatever they want. It makes no sense whatsoever
@@bjornerluffy yup, they had to reduce it to Randyll’s decision, considering it would actually require most of the banner lords to betray the Tyrells its hard to imagine them doing that to Olenna especially how adept she was in politics.
@@bjornerluffy I think they shat the worst on Varys One of the smartest man in all of Westeros, discusses his plan with Jon even after knowing he's just as stupid & honorable as Ned Stark The Spider who has weaved his web all around the 7 kingdoms, gets outsmarted by a bitchy kid bcoz he couldn't get past a letter through her security Littlefinger being outsmarted by Arya & Sansa ws also embarassing but it ws still slightly believable in the way they did it & gave it some time Later seasons completely nerfed the 3 smartest characters of GOT .....Varys, Peter & Tyrion It's good that Tywin ws dead by this point otherwise D&D would've probably ruined him as well
@@Maddog115 The stupid masses of voters "follow" the leader that best smiles at them. Feudal lords follow what they perceive to be in their coldly claculated interest. Let's not mix things up here. Love plays no role in history.
@@RashaKahn I mean the Tarlys aren’t even the second largest house under the Tyrells. The Redwynes have more men and Olenna is a redwyne this writing was just Terrible.
For me that's one of the must fun things to watch on a reactor to the first season, how they take such an hatred to the character and i'm like "a few seasons from now you will cry for him".
"I feel like Drogon's gunna die, I'm so concerned!" 😭 He's a dragon. A dragon! What self-respecting storytellers would have a dragon die from a single scorpion bolt?
24:31 “I can never be lord of anything!” - Bran Only one season before the last one, goes to show D&D really had no plan in the end, they were just focused on their deal with Disney.
@@RashaKahn Not really. GRRM just revealed the ending to D and D, told them to write it their own ways. They really weren't rushing it.. you have to consider the practical aspects of keeping the actors under contract... Waiting for the author to finish what he hasn't done in years. Not practical really considering what a huge franchise GOT IS. They did fuck up a lot but the amount of hate directed towards them is really unnecessary.
@@drishtijoshi9641 Weird considering the rest of the world thinks that they rushed the ending. Also if that was the ending for Bran why did they include the line "I can never be lord of anything!" so that makes no sense. Oh and the hate is necessary, GoT was in line to be a great series to be remembered, now it's a cautionary tale of how to screw up a series.
Kind of is his fault though. He wrote a story so vast, with so many characters and storylines, with absolutely no clue how to bring it together in 2 enormous tomes, let alone a couple of seasons of television. Promised books soon and still hasn't finished the next one after over 10 years. The people who made the show were tasked with completing a story they didn't write, with a couple of major plot points and fuck all else to go off. A story that grew and grew and grew and was expected to be tied together in 2 or 3 seasons. I know it was disappointing but they were given an impossible task. Not to mention, if you go on any reddit thread about "what would ruin the show for you" or "what do you need from the ending" all the top answers always contradict each other. I realise they pleased very few people and could've done better, but they were always going to piss off a huge amount of people whatever they did.
Yeah GRRM is definitely part to blame for not finishing. I actually like that there was an ending to the series even though it was not great, I doubt he will finished GOT now.
@@duggs4456 George was still introducing new characters and plots in his last book when he should have been starting to wind the whole story down and he didn't know how to finish it and with the show being over i doubt he will ever finish the books. He's rich and doesn't really care anymore otherwise he would have finished the books instead of working on other things.
Who you are is a collection of experiences throughout your life, the memories you have. So when you can remember the life experiences of every single person in Westeros.....you're a different person.
Maybe that's how it is in the books but in the show he's depicted as himself standing within the memory. He's not living as the person through their eyes so it never made that much sense to me for him to turn into a doorknob
@@HeisenStark13 What do you mean by "Standing within the memory? Cause when the last 3 eyed raven died, Bran seemed to be stuck in "download mode" seeing everything that's ever happened to everyone. In training all he did was walk around viewing memories, but now that he IS the 3 Eyed Raven, he's literally seen it all. Imagine having first hand memories of every war, every murder, every rape, every lie, you might be a little jaded and have a "It is what it is" attitude about life.
12:45 funny thing about this part is that Stannis literally already told -Jon- Sam he had heaps of dragonglass at dragonstone, but I guess the writer's forgot and needed to justify spending so much time on Sam 😕
Well he told sam, not sure he told jon. And ut was Quick and like 2 years ago in series time, he was just like "i know what it is, we have it at dragonstone"
I love the thought that Jorah went through all that pain without a sound because all he was thinking of was his queen's order to get healed and return to her.
@16:30, I love Sam's boldness as he walks into the scene. As a Man of the Knight's Watch, he couldn't save Jorah's dad but he can save the son. Everyone gets the chance to be their own type of hero.
Maybe his story lacked in fireworks but his impact on the storyline in the last two season is massive. He put everything and everyone in place for the battle. He revealed Jon's secret which led to Dany's downfall and he ended up ruling due to his foresight.
@@tomfassel6563 I don't care about spoilers, I've already seen the show but you know who hasn't? Natalie. She probably doesn't read the comments, but just in case avoid writing spoilers if you want to show some respect. It's not that hard to understand.
"How did he find them?" Well, see, Euron is very forward thinking. His fleet is equipped with GPS, a network of spy satellites to find his enemies, and wormhole generators to instantly warp at any destination.
@@neilgriffiths6427 Well, when the show doesn't put a caption on screen to say exactly how much time has passed most will just assume that the next scene happens right after the previous one. Most people don't like to be challenged and made to think. It hurts them. Then they go online and cry. Even years later. It's actually kind of sad when you think about it. :-)
I liked that scene with Arya coming across those random Lannister troops in the woods. Kind of showed that they were just people and capable of kindness.
16:44 - You DO realize that your reaction was exactly what the creators wanted, right? In a way, it's representative of what the chronically/terminally ill have to endure. The grotesque. The agonizing. I would know after 47 years of Type 1 diabetes, which has resulted in the collapse of all the arches in my right foot, the amputation of the left foot, and a left eye vitrectomy. (There's something special about having to stay awake while an eye surgeon removes the center of your eye.) 19:47 - Theon really goes through it in the series. Essentially raised as a foster son by Ned Stark, always knowing deep down that he's not really part of the family AND collateral to keep his father in line. Next, he tries to serve Robb, but winds up trying to impress his father to gain approval and fails spectacularly. Ramsey Bolton then strips away his will and humanity. Theon then tries to return home to support his sister's claim to the throne of the Iron Islands, only to be forced to flee with her when their homicidal uncle shows up. And now, in this moment time stamped, he's expected to whip up incredible bravery?!? It's amazing Theon is able to even get out of bed every morning! 27:08 - Bronn's loyalty is to the person whose purse is open to him. When Tyrion asks him earlier in the series if he'd go out and kill infants without question, he says no; he'd want to know what he'll be paid first. 29:00 - Yeah, Bran's behavior seems coldhearted and alien, but imagine being able to see EVERYTHING and still have your emotions going full throttle. You'd become a gibbering mess after seeing all the hate, brutality, blood, death... and love, passion, blissful innocence... being able to witness every emotional event of the past and present for everyone would be psychologically overwhelming. 33:01 - How many times have I watched this damn scene and never picked up on the "no one" reference until Natalie pointed it out?! Yeesh! This is the first time I think I've left a lengthy response to one of your videos, Nat.
Yes I think she get's that the creators wanted that kind of reaction. This doesn't really mean anything though as people are going to be grossed out and uncomfortable all the same.
"Isn't their survival more important than your pride" - Jon to Mance Rayder, Season 5 Episode 1 "This morning I heard a song all the way from Qarth, beyond the red waste. Daenerys Targaryen lives. She has three dragons. Even if what they say is true, it'll be years before they're fully grown and then there'll be nowhere to hide" - Varys to Tyrion before Blackwater, Season 2 Episode 8
Spoilers, obviously. People making comments like this think they're 'doing something' or highlighting some massive flaw, but they're only exemplifying their ignorance... Lord != King. Just as Lady != Queen. A King is, at minimum, Liege when referenced by a direct underling of nobility or status and Majesty or Highness else wise. Bran is and was not Lord of anything.
Imagine knowing the history of the world... Whatever has ever happened to everyone in the world... And then being expected to care about one person and then faking for them something... He really died in that cave. There's a quote which goes something along the lines... When you're burdened with knowledge, it may help you or it may destroy you
Olenna in S3: “12,000 infantrymen the Tyrell family has supplied, 18,000 mounted lances, 2,000 in support, a million bushels of wheat, half a million bushels each of barley, oats, and rye…. I’m quite familiar with wartime expenses.” Olenna in S7: “War was never our forte. Golden roses indeed.”
I understand the disappointment with Theon, but also very much worth noting that recovery is not a straight line. The damage from Ramsey runs deep and Theon had a relapse at a rough moment.
Whoever came up with the sound effects for the dragons deserves a medal. From their roars to screeches when they're in pain...you can feel their emotions.
"He's gonna stab you. He's gonna stab you" He doesn't. Remember when you were nitpicking some overtly theatrical killing in the last season? Well I would say the Jaime Olenna conversation is not only fantastic deep dive in Jaime's psyche, with an unforgettable ending, it's also done in the most measured and forlorn way. It was perfect. Olenna went out defiant to the end. One last prick from the Queen of Thorns. It's an iconic moment. The one thing they do really well is make these battles feel monumental. Just when I think they can't top the intensity of the previous ones, the loot train battle leaves the average viewer visually awestruck. The the dothraki drogon battle is ana amazing visual spectacle, but just visually even the bomardment during that naval attack scene with the fireballs piercing through the night sky of the high seas is A1 movie quality, action scene academy award level shi5.
@@neilgriffiths6427 It’s not because it isn’t George RR Martin, main elements simply don’t make sense. 1.)The entire reason Cercei was queen was because she was Regent for her children. Now both her sons are dead, she shouldn’t be queen. But they just ignore it. Because apparently in this world where everyone is power hungry, everyone is suddenly willing to just give up power to someone who isn’t even part of the ruling family. Even though she has no allies until Euron comes in. 2.)Tyrion’s entire argument is that Danerys shouldn’t attack kings landing because casualties but thinks sieging the city(Starving people to death) is better. This dictates everything she does, she could of taken King’s landing easily this season, especially since they have no knowledge of the Scorpions at this point. People hate S7 because it relies on everyone completely forgetting everything they know. It’s excellent if you were interested in the show for action but beyond that it’s complete nonsense. Where the world gets way smaller and everyone turns into complete idiots.
@@neilgriffiths6427 I hated/disliked season 7 before reading the books. I can enjoy the well done spectacle and certain scenes on their own. Overall though its plot was a bloody dumb mess...no question
For me why the later seasons suffer is pacing, character interactions, and "out-of-character" character progression (IE Tyrion becoming dumb). Sure, there are some good moments such as the Lady Olenna conversation but overall the character interactions felt like The CW Channel type writing where the characters only exist to further the plot. We didn't get those beautiful early show moments, like Littlefinger and Varys mental jousting, in the later seasons. Those nuanced moments are what made GoT great in the first place and that was pretty much gone by the end of season 7. The show writing felt off compared to the previous seasons and it makes small things really stick out (IE Kingslanding geography change).
I literally cannot with the condescending bullshit towards Dany. She is as any male ruler would be. Arrogant and cocky. Robb was the same way and y’all cheered him for it 🤡 But with Dany she needs to shut up and be quiet. She needs to have less titles. She needs to lead with an apology. WHAT KING WOULD DO THAT SO WHY SHOULD SHE?
@@justbeyondmythoughts Robb went around saying he was born to rule? He proclaimed himself king? They named him. Had to have 10 ego titles or just king in the north same as Jon. 🤔 just might have to take the L on this one feminist. Lol
About Bran, the word you're looking for is "stoic". Bran is stoic now and detached emotionally because his ego is no longer gripping onto his own mortality. He sees the BIG PICTURE and understands how small "Bran" was in the tapestry of history. He's no long a single individual, but a temporal spectrum seeing both forward and backward. He's basically Neo when he finally sees the Matrix code.
@@MoneyGist I meant more along the lines that Neo was able to read the code of the Matrix in real time and that allowed him to look at it from an overall vantage point instead of a purely sensory one. Bran is swimming in the sea of time and emotions mean very little to him when he sees outcomes long into the future.
@@LuxLoser He'd had time to balance out the overwhelming amount of data and his humanity I think. Sort of like the Zen saying: "Before I became enlightened a mountain was a mountain. Once on the road to enlightenment, the mountain was no longer a mountain. Once I gained enlightenment, the mountain was a mountain again." And to be fair, Bran was sort of edging toward stoicism after his accident... seeming to disconnect emotionally, especially with the dangerous practice of worging in humans; something that drove Hodor a little crazy.
I love watching you watch Game of Thrones! Brings back all the first feelings I had watching! I've see them all 4 times by now, plus the books once! Sill makes me cry, cringe, yell, jump! Thank you Nat!
You should watch the expanse after this. It’s a great show, complex, intriguing, action-packed and mature. It’s an example of great high end sci fi as got (except for 7 & 8) was an example of great high end fantasy.
@@tonysylar Everyone had opinions I guess. But I never said it was as good as got just that it’s an example of a great sci fi show as thrones was a great fantasy show. Why do you dislike it so much?
@@tonysylar For me is GoT te best fantasy serie last 10-20 years, but Expanse is for me probably the best scifi serie last 10 years. Thats mean Got is for me more than Expanse of course, but still Expanse is one of the best serie last 10 years in TVshows.
RIP Diana Rig, what a way for the Olenna Tyrell character to go out. How grandiose was the scene of Dothrakis breaking through the Lannister lines while Drogon flies over the skies menacingly as the inferno rages underneath. The Dothrakis all jumping on their horses at the same time with the war music playing that gets you all fired up? That was insane. The whole filming of that fight is just captivating. Poor Jaime gets completely rolled over by these brute hordes tho smh. Hard for me to watch that.😔
hey Nat, you should consider ‘Westworld’ after you’re done with GoT, considering that’s where HBO put all their $$ once GoT wrapped. I really think you would enjoy it: cinematography, actors, dialogue, themes & Ramin Djawadi being a literal maestro again 🤠🤖 2:57 it’s ok, we’ll talk about that more 😬 lol. and also in your spare time, go watch any of the behind the scenes of the huge set pieces; it’s pretty remarkable 🤯 and RIP Dame Diana Rigg, Forever Our Queen of Thorns 🍷
@@andrewcook1246 I felt the same, but I’ve rewatched 3 again & it’s got some solid moments too. I have ideas how 4 could go, but I’m cool to wait & see what’s up
Ed's Hands of Gold song is actually a nice song from the book about Tyrion and Shae. But also if you listen to the lyrics you can easily apply them to Jaime travelling through hell and highwater to reunite with Cersei. The lyrics and the tune almost feel like it's half ironic half admiring, like the reaction King's Landing always had to the brother's undying love for their queen. The song being put in the show this late gave rise to all the predictions about how Jaime and Cersei's story will end, but also a theory where it's actually Jaime who is the Prince that Was Promised. He'll pull the Lightbringer sword out of the fire with his golden hand! The scene humanizes the Lannister rank & file. A tidbit is that near Highgarden is also where the "Iron Fist" army of House Lannister and House Gardener (who ruled The Reach before the Tyrells) fought Aegon Tageryan's invasion of Westeros. It's called the Field of Fire as the entire army of the two Houses was burned down by Aegon's dragons. After the battle it is in these fields Lorren Lannister bent his knee to Aegon the Conqueror. So this battle, the sides and the outcome mirrors those events. But after subduing the south, Aegon turned his eye northwards...maybe the new Conqueror would do the same.
@cameron marek - you absolutely crush the editing of these. I've watched the full-length episodes and rewatch your edits because they are so well done! Bravo sir!
@@nathangibson2114 They didn't forget. They were written to forget, despite being written that they would also be told about Euron's fleet in the scene beforehand.
@@nathangibson2114 lol I love some.of the excuses people try and come up with too somehow fix the bad writing. I tried a bit when I first watched season 8 because I was too excited to want to admit the show was bad now...and was hoping the ending would somehow explain everything...nah
The reason why Sam succeeded at the greyscale procedure where experienced maesters failed is how humble he is. He followed the instructions to the letter whereas the others were cocky and probably thought they wouldn't need to exactly follow them.
We finally have arrived on that point of those two series where Natalie's reaction videos are better and more insightful entertainment than the actual episodes
You might consider watching The Nanny, mainly for the Jewish words that are thrown in, and the somewhat romantic aspect. Also, Niles and CC are great side characters.
Dragon stone is right next to Kings Landing. He probably was spying on dragonstone and was waiting for Danny’s fleet to leave so he could attack them. In the case of the unsullied, he probably followed them from a distance all the way to Castelry Rock
"Last season definitely felt like a bit of a departure for me in terms of the writing and the plot and the characters. It definitely felt different." Season 7: Hold my Beer
@@neilgriffiths6427 May I remind you of Episode 6 or 7 (beyond the wall). They send Gendry from beyond the Wall to the wall, send a raven from the Wall to Dragonstone and Dany flew from Dragonstone to them beyond the wall in a single day. That is time travel, teleportation or just poor writing from D&D.
@@vorlock7149 or someone assuming, that everything on the screen is happening in real time. I get it, Lord of the Rings had most of the movies spent walking, as did earlier seasons, and they were good by their own. But it's not a commandment to be always done this way. Minutia (which showing how everything happened to be is) is not always needed, and nearly all of the setup to get on with the plot was done earlier anyway, it's only natural that it will all unravel rapidly, or else it would lose itself. And if it was done slower or differently - people would begin complaining anyway, like they do about the Walking Dead or other long, drawn out series. You'd still rather have them spend some 3 extra seasons, walking and talking about inconsequential stuff, when the world in the plot sense is ending at this very moment? If anything, I'd argue that the first 5 seasons should've been only 3. Same applies to the Witcher. There are story considerations to be made, that are not to your faves benefit. Fans, demanding full service to each of their favourite characters don't know what they want, and would rather ruin an overall story. D&D aren't the best or brightest writers by a long shot, but doing it the way they did the last seasons throughout entire series would've been a better way overall, for TV. And it could've better kept in check those stuck on a point of dragging everything through the mud of world building, side stories and characters.
If you watch that again you will see Theon glance to the side after Euron call him. He sees Eurons men pulling teeth and cutting out tongues. Theon has ptsd. He did the only thing he could.
Euron is everywhere cause he learnt the power of plot teleportation, like some characters in season 6 already did. But his case is even stronger! He is so good at it that he can teleport full fleets from one side of the continent to the other, and ambush other massive fleets to the point of getting bellow spotter view and ignore possible alarms!!!! Such a madlad. Daenerys is pretty good too, as she managed to cross half of Westeros with a Dragon and a Dothraki army unnoticed. So much teleportation talent in one season!
Another Sunday watching the best hair on TH-cam! Love you Nat, your commentary is amazing. Definitely obvious that you’ve got a music theatre background.
1) your editing must take you forever. 2) you're excellent at interpreting this series as it happens. I can't say that I had the intellect to understand it so well the first time around. 3) subscribed :)
The stab wounds that Arya suffered previously... In any other earlier season, that kind of wound would have killed her. To me, that was the first sign that the writers were starting to take way too big liberties. Getting into season seven, they really start disregarding the internal logic of the world they've established, and come season eight... Yaicks. Oh, and Cersei blowing the Sept to smithereens... I was fine with that as such. But in previous seasons, an action like that would have had consequences. What would the people of King's Landing have felt or done about it? What would be the political fallout of doing something like that to the faith? How do you fill the vacuum you've now created? But no, the writers just ignore this entirely. "Nah, it'll be fine!"
If the writing of the later seasons was the same quality of the precious seasons, destroying ths Sept would have led to religious extremists carrying out terror attacks on Cersei and the Red Keep: she would have turned an organized force of puritanical busybodies into a splintered and radicalized rebellion against the crown.
Bran doesn't become wise and all knowing when he becomes the 3 Eyed Raven. He now literally remembers EVERYTHING. Hundreds, if not thousands of years of history from all over the world, shoved into his head as memories. So the small little piece that is the life and memories of Bran Stark are now completely overwhelmed by everything else. That's why he has no emotions. He's not really a person anymore. He's basically more like a walking, breathing, history text book.
Jon: I came back from the dead! Bran: I can see the Future! Arya: I'm a shape-shifting Ninja assassin! Sansa: Well. Great. I got married to Ramsey Bolton...
Hey Nat, these 3 episodes you featured were some of my favorites in just so much mostly cool things happened. Starting off w/ Arya going after the rest of House Frey, and basically the " chickens coming back home to roost". Being a short girl, Arya sparring with Brianna was just great! ('Arya' is only 5'2" and Bri is 6'1") I love how much wiser Sansa is after all her awful time in KL and after all she's been through. It is a shame Bran is pretty much just a whole changed person, so far from who he was until his becoming the 3 Eyed Raven. I wish he had been left with some warmth of family. Onward, even though she shouldn't have done it for many reasons, you just can't help but still LOVE Dany's attack on the gold and soldiers! It was freaking EPIC!!😁💖 And I loved seeing the look on Jamie and Braun's faces when they first see Drogon.😋🔥🔥🤓 Watching you during all of this as usual has been fun.
1:03 I can feel your pain. When I was watching the show for the first time, I had issues with the subtitles during some of the episodes. So at one point when I sat down to watch a new one, I randomly clicked into the video to check if there are subtitles. I saw Catelyn Stark in pain, crawling under a table. I managed to spoil the red wedding for myself 🤦🏼♀️
I think the cost of being all-knowing is that things like being polite feels trivial to the more important matter at hand. I think that's what he's thinking of. The reality of the situation.
Not really. The first episode with the exception of Arya killing off the Freys has nothing going on and with only a 7 episode season they needed to move the plot faster instead it's just a lot of talking. Might be for the best though since dumber and dumber were over this show by season 7.
What was so good too, was with the wait between S6 & S7 I had actually forgotten Arya had killed Frey by the time I saw this, so was double surprised lol
@@ThammuzBabylon oh totally! It starts and you immediately got excited because you knew what was happening. Also, the quotes she used were great. Leave one wolf Alive quote was great, I remember literally fist pumping when I heard it hahahahaha
White Walkers are like the generals (usually in armor of some kind and the ones that look the least like zombies) the Night King is the White Walker 'king' (guy with the icey spikes on his head) and all of the 'zombies' are called wights.
Trogdor, the Burninator! Also, Maisie Williams did such a good job playing Arya playing Walder Frey in this one, it was almost impossible to tell her performance from David Bradley's!
You could DE-stress by watching a good comedy. 'Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story' ( 2004 ).....starring Ben Stiller, Vince Vaughn & featuring a slew of other recognizable comedic actors.....not to mention MANY surprising cameos. I forgot this film even existed, until I saw some other reaction channels covering it. The 'Girl Scout' scene alone...had me rolling on the floor.
JON IS RHAEGAR'S SON. There's no way it's Robert's because he never got to be with Lyanna, it's what started the rebellion in the first place. He siezed the throne from the Targaryens. This still doesn't make Jon an official Targaryen, because he was born outside of marriage.
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"Only a fool would face the Dothraki in an open field" -King Robert Baratheon
Gods he was strong then!
Well they didn‘t have a choice since this was a suprise attack
@@stannisbaratheon7592 ah the rightful king appears
That worked very well for the White Walkers and their waves of dead people.
Makes me think of all the people complaining about "bad writing" that they didn't keep the Dothraki behind the walls to fight the Night King in the Battle of Winterfell.
I honestly don’t understand why everyone gets on Theon for jumping overboard. It was literally the ONLY thing he could have done in that moment. His sister’s throat would have been cut if he took a step forward. His uncle was daring him to knowing that it was an unwinnable situation. At least this wayTheon might have a chance to go back and rescue her.
THANK YOU! The collective stupidity over that scene is staggering
Well, it was a lose-lose situation
@@blueberrydenim4807 But he did eventually rescue her. If he charged at Euron there she's dead
“discretion is the better part of valour,”
He’s still wasn’t completely back, he almost there but not yet, and besides, there is never shame in running from a losing fight, cause that way, you can fight another day.
I like how Natalie's like, who is Jon Snow? "We'll find out eventually." But the revealing scene has already happened. She just didn't know what it meant.
Yeah. But she’ll figure it out when Sam tells John who he is
Which shows how little sense the reveal made in the show if it wasn't relying on people already knowing the books.
@@Waytothedawn63 there's another reveal though later on. you get a proper one at the end of series 7 when he's banging his aunt and i think Bran is talking
@@NiclasLoof No, the music totally conveyed the meaning. Go watch that scene again and listen to the music.
@@Ahov agreed
Natalie: "Don't crack open Balerion's skull.... it's an artifact! IT BELONGS IN A MUSEUM!!!"
SO DO YOU
natalie channeling her inner indiana jones xD
Totally pictured River Phoenix yelling this instead of Harrison.
To copy the rotting scrolls, Sam had to read them. It was a reward disguised as punishment.
I doubt the Maester had read through them all himself. It was a slight promotion, but still just work, not really intended as a reward.
Littlefinger: "I want you to be happy". Natalie: "No he doesn't". Littlefinger: "I want you to be safe". Natalie: "NO HE DOESN'T".
The truth however is he does.
@@baronhomer1 Just as long as it aligns with his goals of course.
@@nicholaslypps2808 what goals are those?
@@jevonjames3241 he said at the end of season 6. He wants to rule the seven kingdoms, with Sansa by his side.
Leaving her with a maniac like Ramsey drastically reduces chances of her LIVING to be by his side.
28:25 Jaime never cared about Joffrey like he did Tommen or Myrcella. he'd always try disassociate, in the books he considers him a sociopath and doesn't want to be his father either way. that's why he's not bothered by Olenna saying this
So then why was he rushing to Joffrey so desperately when he was dying? He was just as upset and frantic during Joffrey's death as he was during Myrcella's death.
@@jsmithers. He's Kingsguard. The only reason it makes him upset is concern for Cersei and that she just lost her son.
While he didn't care about Joffrey, he was probably angry about the things that Joffrey's death set in motion: Tyrion getting accused, Tywin's death, Oberyn getting himself killed, which led to Myrcella's death etc.
Not AS bothered but he's still bothered, based on the scene.
@@AngeloBarovierSD Right
I like to think that Bran became so cold as the Three-Eyed Raven because he saw and felt EVERYTHING. And in order to preserve his sanity, he had to shut down that part of himself that felt emotion because the alternative was to die of sorrow.
I see it more as a result of the idea that a person is their "experiences" or memories. Now, as the 3 Eyed Raven, his head is full of so many years of memories, that the piece that is the life and memories of Bran Stark is a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the sum of his total memories, completely overwhelmed by the collection memories of the Three Eyed Raven. He has so many different memories from different lives, places, and times in history that it all just sort of blends together to form the dull, lifeless persona that is the Three Eyed Raven.
@@KS-xk2so Wouldn't it have made more sense for him to have become everyone instead of no one? So that talking to him would be like talking to anyone who had ever lived? You could walk up to him and say, Hey, Grandma, what was that secret recipe you were going to tell me on your deathbed but you died in mid-sentence?, and he'd smile in the way she used to and say 'oh yes, child, I'm sorry about that, it was X'
@@rtozier2011 I think it's more likely to be just a blank personality because any one person is only 0.0000001% of his total memories, so any unique or individual personality traits are just toned out due to the sheer mass of all the memories. He could tell you the recipe, but he wouldn't act like the grandmother.
That’d be cool if it was explored at all
@@KS-xk2so So far as I know he didn't get any memories from the previous three eyed ravens, or was this stated to be the case in the books? My interpretation was that his green-seeing journeys into the past don't occur 1:1 with the passage of time the rest of the world is experiencing. As such he might be spending subjective years as an unseen spectator in the past for every day that passes for everyone else. So in the weeks or months that it takes for him and Meera to reach the wall he could have "lived" for centuries or millennia in the past just silently watching the world, becoming mentally the oldest being in the world by far, to the point where he just naturally grew detached due to the vast span of time (relative) that separates him from everyone else.
as much as i don't like the writing in this season, Hot Pie's line to Arya -- "I can't believe I thought you were a boy. You're pretty!" warms my heart. Arya grew up being told how ugly she was (by Sansa), so to hear otherwise puts a smile on my face
Me too! But I cant believe Arya didnt invite him to winterfell. That's the only issue I have with the scene. Arya keeps being heartless and violent and never gets questioned for it. But other characters kill and its seen as "mad".
Well, maisie williams is really gorgeous 😂
That was a really nice moment!
@@slenderfoxx3797 knowing that Winterfell might be a place of war if Cersei decides to strike might have been the reason she didn't invite him. Also she only had one horse. He would slow her down.
"I can't believe I thought you were a boy. You're pretty!"..what ..boys cant be pretty?
"leave one wolf alive, and the sheep are never safe" i still get chills bro. best opening scene in this show
19:47 I never understood why ppl were trashing Theon for fleeing. What exactly did they want him to realistically do in that situation?
Fight through over a dozen armed men to save his sister who has a knife to her throat?
Well Jon stood his ground vs the Bolton charge in the battle of the basterds so Yeah he should have tried to get his sister back and face the danger. I mean Jon had the look of a man with courage and Theon runs away and jumps ship so a coward.
@@shootingreal5945 there were no proverbial Knights Of The Vale on their way to rescue Yara's fleet and Theon knew it. He was with Ramsay long enough to understand the only way to keep Yara alive from Euron was to bail, guys like Ramsay and Euron get off on suffering and Reek witnessed that every day. I think he knew exactly what he was doing.
So an average fighter with PTSD should try to fight his way though over a dozen armed fighters to rescue his sister who has a knife to her throat and could be killed if he tried anything… because a very good fighter did something in an unrelated battle?
@@shootingreal5945 Theon would have died, and he knew he would have dies. His heroics wouldn't have saved his sister and may have actually got her killed. His decision meant he could later save her life
@@shootingreal5945 Jon has plot armour, he should of been trampled to death. What he did was stupid, he just got saved randomly.
37:20 “He came running at me, this dumb high-born lad, thinking he could end the rebellion with a single swing of his sword” - Robert Baratheon foreshadowing Jamie’s attempt on Danny
" I knocked him down with the hammer, gods I was strong then. Caved in his breastplate, probably shattered every rib he had."
@@QuayNemSorr I miss Fred Flinstone playing king :(.
Yeah no. D&D wouldn't know what foreshadowing is if it hit them in the face. Stop making up shit to salvage this shit lmfao.
Jaime really should have died as a result of this act. I don't hate the last seasons as much as many others do, but it is clear that the main characters don't face consequences for their bad decisions like in the earlier seasons.
Henry de Bohun...
Dany : We all enjoy what we're good at.
Jon : I don't.
Cries in "Rhaegar never liked killing, he loved to sing" 😩
*singing
Naaah he liked to sing, fuck and start wars that killed thousands of men, women, children, his own wife and 2 children, just cause he was in "love" with a 16 year old teenager! Naaah he is a despicable man that Jon needs no attachment to, Jon is all Ned's for all I care!🙌💯
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@@darksiders_genesis Very white-knighty narrow-minded comment. Smol brain, sorry for you
@@DerVorsitzender if you can get mad at cersei or dany or the Bolton's for the same types of behaviour then why is raegar untouchable?
"The bastard of Winterfell."
"The dwarf of Casterly Rock."
"I believe we last saw each other on top of the wall."
"You were pissing off the edge, if I remember right. Picked up some scars along the road."
"It's been a long road. But we're both still here".
Ahhh man. Season 1 Episode 3. Nostalgia intensifies 😭
I can’t believe it’s almost over! I’m gonna miss these making my day
Same! It’s like getting to relive watching the series with a friend of sorts, haha!
@@RebeccaJoArt It isn’t though.
Oh god I feel the same!
@@Gnossiene369 yes it is. Don’t be a wet blanket.
@Jake Curtis while agree on his take of Parasocial relationships, he really shouldn't be criticizing how people relieve their stress.
"Why can Euron get around all the time."
Yeah, teleportation was invented towards the end of the last season and no one mentioned it.
Right. For the sake of realism they could have had two or three seasons of real-time, with us watching Euron and his crew mostly sitting around, doing nothing on wide open seas with nothing around them.
This is, without a doubt, the dumbest of dumb criticisms. Maybe for those who are particularly dim, they could have constantly flashed "three weeks later" to make you happier.
@@AndyMatts44 I dunno Daenerys' teleportation (and whoever it was who travelled back to tell her) when Jon et al were stuck north of the wall feels like a pretty valid criticism.
Didn't they even say they were "6 days away from the nearest woman" or some shit, but they ran back to the wall, sent a raven to her, and she flew all the way up to them in what seems like a matter of hours?
@@control2XSyea it gets bad this season and next
Trips that take months end up taking days or shorter
"Spoils of War" is probably my favorite part of this season. It is one of the early promises the show makes... and watching it finally delivered was really mind blowing.... all I could think of was Khal Drogo swearing before the Mother of Mountains..... that this would happen 🎊🎉 omg, love it. It's one of the few moments (for me) the story begins to feel like it's completing itself.
Stfu :)
spoils is one of my top5 in the series.. i just cant get enough of it 😭😭 ⚔❤🔥💙❤❤🔥⚔
27:27 Actually the Tyrells had one of the largest forces left in the seven kingdoms. Their lords “turned” on the Tyrells because they sided with Dany, considering the Cersei murdered most of the Tyrells (who were more beloved than feared) it really made no sense for their lords to turn on them, except as weak writing by D&D. It was things like this that made no sense that was a warning for season 8.
The logic went basiacally like this: Dany is OP, we need her to lose shit, ok she can lose Dorne and The Reach since nobody really cares about them now after season 6. How can she lose the reach? Well Olenna is an old lady and therefore not a military commander aka somehow meaning no army. Sams father is an asshole who would totally fight for Cercei after she killed his beloved liege family. Why? Because Randylls only personality trait in the show is being an asshole, so they can basically get him to do whatever they want.
It makes no sense whatsoever
@@bjornerluffy yup, they had to reduce it to Randyll’s decision, considering it would actually require most of the banner lords to betray the Tyrells its hard to imagine them doing that to Olenna especially how adept she was in politics.
@@bjornerluffy I think they shat the worst on Varys
One of the smartest man in all of Westeros, discusses his plan with Jon even after knowing he's just as stupid & honorable as Ned Stark
The Spider who has weaved his web all around the 7 kingdoms, gets outsmarted by a bitchy kid bcoz he couldn't get past a letter through her security
Littlefinger being outsmarted by Arya & Sansa ws also embarassing but it ws still slightly believable in the way they did it & gave it some time
Later seasons completely nerfed the 3 smartest characters of GOT .....Varys, Peter & Tyrion
It's good that Tywin ws dead by this point otherwise D&D would've probably ruined him as well
@@Maddog115 The stupid masses of voters "follow" the leader that best smiles at them. Feudal lords follow what they perceive to be in their coldly claculated interest. Let's not mix things up here. Love plays no role in history.
@@RashaKahn I mean the Tarlys aren’t even the second largest house under the Tyrells. The Redwynes have more men and Olenna is a redwyne this writing was just Terrible.
Remember how you felt about Jamie in the first season when he pushed Bran out the window? In comparison to now?
For me that's one of the must fun things to watch on a reactor to the first season, how they take such an hatred to the character and i'm like "a few seasons from now you will cry for him".
@@carlossaraiva8213 agreed
He got that vegeta arc.
Legendary.
Only to ruin him again in season 8
@@drachireidnoc6659 season 7 and 8 moaners are boring. You are the Theon of fandom.
Bran is no longer bran. It’s his body, but inside it’s the three eyed raven. Hence the “you really died in that cave”. He’s a vessel of sorts
Until the end when he is 'Bran The Broken' and becomes King. In these episodes he even said 'I can't be a lord'. No continuity whatsoever.
Which drains all our connection to the character and makes the finale all the less satisfying
He’s basically turned into Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen
@@TVFlix -
Davos - "... but Jon Snow is KING in the North, your Grace. He's not a lord."
Seems like there's more continuity than you'd like.
"I feel like Drogon's gunna die, I'm so concerned!" 😭
He's a dragon. A dragon! What self-respecting storytellers would have a dragon die from a single scorpion bolt?
Ah you said it
Seriously. That would just be bad and lazy writing.
Clever storytellers who know how to creatw suspense for the characters so to kerp people's expectations in check.
It's only an animal. That weapon was designed to kill it. Dragon was lucky.
@@DJLtravelvids An animal ... and a plot device.
Meera Reed being thrown away so easily pissed me off so much when I watched this, and also because it meant Howland Reed wasn't going to come back.
24:31 “I can never be lord of anything!” - Bran
Only one season before the last one, goes to show D&D really had no plan in the end, they were just focused on their deal with Disney.
Well there was someone that might have finished writing books that could have laid out a plan for D&D like in the first seasons
@@Parker307 he did, and most likely this wasn’t it, D&D couldn’t set up anything correctly because they were rushing the end
@@RashaKahn Not really. GRRM just revealed the ending to D and D, told them to write it their own ways. They really weren't rushing it.. you have to consider the practical aspects of keeping the actors under contract... Waiting for the author to finish what he hasn't done in years. Not practical really considering what a huge franchise GOT IS. They did fuck up a lot but the amount of hate directed towards them is really unnecessary.
@@drishtijoshi9641 Weird considering the rest of the world thinks that they rushed the ending. Also if that was the ending for Bran why did they include the line "I can never be lord of anything!" so that makes no sense. Oh and the hate is necessary, GoT was in line to be a great series to be remembered, now it's a cautionary tale of how to screw up a series.
Bran just meant that he can’t be lord of winterfell because he’s not a “Stark” anymore because he’s not Brandon stark, He’s the three eyed raven now
Nat: Things don't make sense now.
GRRM: Wasn't me.
Kind of is his fault though. He wrote a story so vast, with so many characters and storylines, with absolutely no clue how to bring it together in 2 enormous tomes, let alone a couple of seasons of television. Promised books soon and still hasn't finished the next one after over 10 years. The people who made the show were tasked with completing a story they didn't write, with a couple of major plot points and fuck all else to go off. A story that grew and grew and grew and was expected to be tied together in 2 or 3 seasons. I know it was disappointing but they were given an impossible task. Not to mention, if you go on any reddit thread about "what would ruin the show for you" or "what do you need from the ending" all the top answers always contradict each other. I realise they pleased very few people and could've done better, but they were always going to piss off a huge amount of people whatever they did.
Yeah GRRM is definitely part to blame for not finishing. I actually like that there was an ending to the series even though it was not great, I doubt he will finished GOT now.
Yeah, GRRM has basically disavowed the show. And for a source creator that gets paid more money according to how good a show does that’s saying a lot.
@@duggs4456 George was still introducing new characters and plots in his last book when he should have been starting to wind the whole story down and he didn't know how to finish it and with the show being over i doubt he will ever finish the books. He's rich and doesn't really care anymore otherwise he would have finished the books instead of working on other things.
books are the books, and tv show is tv show...until mad fanboys want to blame george for dumb and dumber's poor job
Who you are is a collection of experiences throughout your life, the memories you have. So when you can remember the life experiences of every single person in Westeros.....you're a different person.
Maybe that's how it is in the books but in the show he's depicted as himself standing within the memory. He's not living as the person through their eyes so it never made that much sense to me for him to turn into a doorknob
@@HeisenStark13 What do you mean by "Standing within the memory? Cause when the last 3 eyed raven died, Bran seemed to be stuck in "download mode" seeing everything that's ever happened to everyone. In training all he did was walk around viewing memories, but now that he IS the 3 Eyed Raven, he's literally seen it all.
Imagine having first hand memories of every war, every murder, every rape, every lie, you might be a little jaded and have a "It is what it is" attitude about life.
"Oh come on. That didn't go as well as I hoped." Oddly concise summary.
12:45 funny thing about this part is that Stannis literally already told -Jon- Sam he had heaps of dragonglass at dragonstone, but I guess the writer's forgot and needed to justify spending so much time on Sam 😕
Well he told sam, not sure he told jon. And ut was Quick and like 2 years ago in series time, he was just like "i know what it is, we have it at dragonstone"
@@elite_rock_god2292 Your are correct he told Sam not Jon, regardless I felt that the whole trip to oldtown in retrospect didn't achieve much
@@AK-jx1si no it dident, Sam should have learned and done ALOT more there
Sam (not John) obviously isn't as bright as you are - but hindsight is wonderful, isn't it?
"...kind of forgot..."
"...kind of forgot.."
"....kind of forgot..."
Natalie's so far ahead on Patreon that she's finished Firefly Season 2.
😭
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Too soon.
She's a leaf on the wind.
Ouch. Man, I wish.
@@adamwarlock1
Your commen reminded me of "Leaves from the vine".
Idk why!
15:02
Oh.....oh no he really isn’t. Balerion the dread was insanely large.
It’s just insane to imagine how big Balerion was. Same with Vhagar. I can’t wait to see how big she is in House of the Dragon
@@jaimelannister1797 ancalagon says hi
Why is it GRRM fault for not finishing and not GoT fault for starting an unfinished story instead of waiting for it to be completely done
In fairness you could perhaaaps argue that he WILL never be Lord of anything. Because technically he wasn't lord.
@@Hey_Jamie it's already been 10 years, he's never going to finish the series
I love the thought that Jorah went through all that pain without a sound because all he was thinking of was his queen's order to get healed and return to her.
@16:30, I love Sam's boldness as he walks into the scene. As a Man of the Knight's Watch, he couldn't save Jorah's dad but he can save the son. Everyone gets the chance to be their own type of hero.
Natalie: I wonder what the point of Brans story’s gonna be.
Me: oh… you sweet summer child
Maybe his story lacked in fireworks but his impact on the storyline in the last two season is massive. He put everything and everyone in place for the battle. He revealed Jon's secret which led to Dany's downfall and he ended up ruling due to his foresight.
@@MatiZ815 hey now, I didn’t say nothing 😂😭 the summer child phrase is the GoT way of saying “you’ve got a big storm coming” 😂
@@MatiZ815 Why are you spoiling stuff?
@@Shaesi. why are you reading comments if you don’t want spoilers lol. This show has been over for what two years now
@@tomfassel6563 I don't care about spoilers, I've already seen the show but you know who hasn't? Natalie. She probably doesn't read the comments, but just in case avoid writing spoilers if you want to show some respect. It's not that hard to understand.
"How did he find them?"
Well, see, Euron is very forward thinking. His fleet is equipped with GPS, a network of spy satellites to find his enemies, and wormhole generators to instantly warp at any destination.
Oh-oh, here we go (rolls eyes...).
@@neilgriffiths6427 Well, when the show doesn't put a caption on screen to say exactly how much time has passed most will just assume that the next scene happens right after the previous one.
Most people don't like to be challenged and made to think. It hurts them.
Then they go online and cry. Even years later.
It's actually kind of sad when you think about it.
:-)
Well, that explains everything! Lol!
I still want to know how he acquired that massive fleet when Yara and Theon took the other ships. There are no trees on the iron islands.
@@QuayNemSorr well, Euron was a legendary seafarer in the books, one might imagine he has connections…
I liked that scene with Arya coming across those random Lannister troops in the woods. Kind of showed that they were just people and capable of kindness.
"I want her to know it was me" I think is the best scene in the last two seasons.
Natalie’s ability to correctly guess things in the future but not realize it is honestly fantastic.
16:44 - You DO realize that your reaction was exactly what the creators wanted, right? In a way, it's representative of what the chronically/terminally ill have to endure. The grotesque. The agonizing. I would know after 47 years of Type 1 diabetes, which has resulted in the collapse of all the arches in my right foot, the amputation of the left foot, and a left eye vitrectomy. (There's something special about having to stay awake while an eye surgeon removes the center of your eye.)
19:47 - Theon really goes through it in the series. Essentially raised as a foster son by Ned Stark, always knowing deep down that he's not really part of the family AND collateral to keep his father in line. Next, he tries to serve Robb, but winds up trying to impress his father to gain approval and fails spectacularly. Ramsey Bolton then strips away his will and humanity. Theon then tries to return home to support his sister's claim to the throne of the Iron Islands, only to be forced to flee with her when their homicidal uncle shows up. And now, in this moment time stamped, he's expected to whip up incredible bravery?!? It's amazing Theon is able to even get out of bed every morning!
27:08 - Bronn's loyalty is to the person whose purse is open to him. When Tyrion asks him earlier in the series if he'd go out and kill infants without question, he says no; he'd want to know what he'll be paid first.
29:00 - Yeah, Bran's behavior seems coldhearted and alien, but imagine being able to see EVERYTHING and still have your emotions going full throttle. You'd become a gibbering mess after seeing all the hate, brutality, blood, death... and love, passion, blissful innocence... being able to witness every emotional event of the past and present for everyone would be psychologically overwhelming.
33:01 - How many times have I watched this damn scene and never picked up on the "no one" reference until Natalie pointed it out?! Yeesh!
This is the first time I think I've left a lengthy response to one of your videos, Nat.
To be fair, Lady ("I'm no lady") Brianne didn't seem impressed by Arya's answer - she didn't get it, either...
Yes I think she get's that the creators wanted that kind of reaction. This doesn't really mean anything though as people are going to be grossed out and uncomfortable all the same.
"Isn't their survival more important than your pride" - Jon to Mance Rayder, Season 5 Episode 1
"This morning I heard a song all the way from Qarth, beyond the red waste. Daenerys Targaryen lives. She has three dragons. Even if what they say is true, it'll be years before they're fully grown and then there'll be nowhere to hide" - Varys to Tyrion before Blackwater, Season 2 Episode 8
Bran: "I can never be lord of anything."
Me: ah, poor Bran
>.>
*laughs in bad writing*
snorting
Bran kinda forgot
Spoilers, obviously.
People making comments like this think they're 'doing something' or highlighting some massive flaw, but they're only exemplifying their ignorance... Lord != King. Just as Lady != Queen. A King is, at minimum, Liege when referenced by a direct underling of nobility or status and Majesty or Highness else wise. Bran is and was not Lord of anything.
I really think one of the reason I like your channel so much is because you are one of the only people I've seen that likes dragons as much as I do.
You miss labeled the third episode as "episode 4"... I was thrown off like "Did I miss an episode?!"
The editor always mislabel episode 3 as episode 4. 🤣🤣🤣
Haha everytime
Thank you! I thought I was losing my mind! 😆
Imagine knowing the history of the world... Whatever has ever happened to everyone in the world... And then being expected to care about one person and then faking for them something...
He really died in that cave.
There's a quote which goes something along the lines...
When you're burdened with knowledge, it may help you or it may destroy you
* Balerion's skull gets skewered *
Natalie: "THAT BELONGS IN A MUSEUM!"
Natalie in tears, when Drogon got hit, wats she gonna do when she sees white Walker killed one
@@theinspiredmindYT Nah she's gonna be really mad about Euron killing one.
@@rafaelsantosx maybe but i was talking about the 2 nd part, nd who knows after the end of the season she won't be disappointed
Olenna in S3: “12,000 infantrymen the Tyrell family has supplied, 18,000 mounted lances, 2,000 in support, a million bushels of wheat, half a million bushels each of barley, oats, and rye…. I’m quite familiar with wartime expenses.”
Olenna in S7: “War was never our forte. Golden roses indeed.”
Olenna Tyrell king of forgot that she has a large army.
@@paweowczarek5738 The writers forgor💀
Those are not the same thing.
I understand the disappointment with Theon, but also very much worth noting that recovery is not a straight line. The damage from Ramsey runs deep and Theon had a relapse at a rough moment.
Whoever came up with the sound effects for the dragons deserves a medal. From their roars to screeches when they're in pain...you can feel their emotions.
"He's gonna stab you. He's gonna stab you"
He doesn't. Remember when you were nitpicking some overtly theatrical killing in the last season? Well I would say the Jaime Olenna conversation is not only fantastic deep dive in Jaime's psyche, with an unforgettable ending, it's also done in the most measured and forlorn way. It was perfect. Olenna went out defiant to the end. One last prick from the Queen of Thorns. It's an iconic moment. The one thing they do really well is make these battles feel monumental. Just when I think they can't top the intensity of the previous ones, the loot train battle leaves the average viewer visually awestruck. The the dothraki drogon battle is ana amazing visual spectacle, but just visually even the bomardment during that naval attack scene with the fireballs piercing through the night sky of the high seas is A1 movie quality, action scene academy award level shi5.
Yeah, many book readers hate Series 7 because a lot of it isn't "GRR!" Martin any more, but in reality it's excellent.
@@neilgriffiths6427 you have no idea how tired i am with the season 7 haters lttle wingers.
@@neilgriffiths6427 It’s not because it isn’t George RR Martin, main elements simply don’t make sense.
1.)The entire reason Cercei was queen was because she was Regent for her children. Now both her sons are dead, she shouldn’t be queen.
But they just ignore it. Because apparently in this world where everyone is power hungry, everyone is suddenly willing to just give up power to someone who isn’t even part of the ruling family. Even though she has no allies until Euron comes in.
2.)Tyrion’s entire argument is that Danerys shouldn’t attack kings landing because casualties but thinks sieging the city(Starving people to death) is better. This dictates everything she does, she could of taken King’s landing easily this season, especially since they have no knowledge of the Scorpions at this point.
People hate S7 because it relies on everyone completely forgetting everything they know. It’s excellent if you were interested in the show for action but beyond that it’s complete nonsense. Where the world gets way smaller and everyone turns into complete idiots.
@@neilgriffiths6427 I hated/disliked season 7 before reading the books. I can enjoy the well done spectacle and certain scenes on their own. Overall though its plot was a bloody dumb mess...no question
For me why the later seasons suffer is pacing, character interactions, and "out-of-character" character progression (IE Tyrion becoming dumb). Sure, there are some good moments such as the Lady Olenna conversation but overall the character interactions felt like The CW Channel type writing where the characters only exist to further the plot. We didn't get those beautiful early show moments, like Littlefinger and Varys mental jousting, in the later seasons. Those nuanced moments are what made GoT great in the first place and that was pretty much gone by the end of season 7.
The show writing felt off compared to the previous seasons and it makes small things really stick out (IE Kingslanding geography change).
Watching the way Dany acts with Jon I am reminded of this Tywin line:
“Any man who must say ‘I am the king’ is no true king.”
Yes. Cause she is a arrogant child.
Would you say the same thing of Robb? Lmfao your sexism is showing.
I literally cannot with the condescending bullshit towards Dany. She is as any male ruler would be. Arrogant and cocky. Robb was the same way and y’all cheered him for it 🤡 But with Dany she needs to shut up and be quiet. She needs to have less titles. She needs to lead with an apology. WHAT KING WOULD DO THAT SO WHY SHOULD SHE?
@@justbeyondmythoughtsThis has nothing to do with gender.
@@justbeyondmythoughts Robb went around saying he was born to rule? He proclaimed himself king? They named him. Had to have 10 ego titles or just king in the north same as Jon. 🤔 just might have to take the L on this one feminist. Lol
About Bran, the word you're looking for is "stoic". Bran is stoic now and detached emotionally because his ego is no longer gripping onto his own mortality. He sees the BIG PICTURE and understands how small "Bran" was in the tapestry of history. He's no long a single individual, but a temporal spectrum seeing both forward and backward. He's basically Neo when he finally sees the Matrix code.
I agree. Except Neo still managed to maintain a personal love interest after coming back from the dead and seeing the Matrix code.
@@MoneyGist I meant more along the lines that Neo was able to read the code of the Matrix in real time and that allowed him to look at it from an overall vantage point instead of a purely sensory one.
Bran is swimming in the sea of time and emotions mean very little to him when he sees outcomes long into the future.
@@swordmonkey6635 Then why was the previous Three-eyed Raven still full of personality?
@@LuxLoser He'd had time to balance out the overwhelming amount of data and his humanity I think. Sort of like the Zen saying: "Before I became enlightened a mountain was a mountain. Once on the road to enlightenment, the mountain was no longer a mountain. Once I gained enlightenment, the mountain was a mountain again."
And to be fair, Bran was sort of edging toward stoicism after his accident... seeming to disconnect emotionally, especially with the dangerous practice of worging in humans; something that drove Hodor a little crazy.
I'd say more like Dr. Manhattan from the Watchmen.
I love watching you watch Game of Thrones! Brings back all the first feelings I had watching! I've see them all 4 times by now, plus the books once! Sill makes me cry, cringe, yell, jump! Thank you Nat!
You should watch the expanse after this. It’s a great show, complex, intriguing, action-packed and mature. It’s an example of great high end sci fi as got (except for 7 & 8) was an example of great high end fantasy.
Yes
Expanse is fucking garbage. Cannot even compare to the best of GOT.
@@tonysylar Everyone had opinions I guess. But I never said it was as good as got just that it’s an example of a great sci fi show as thrones was a great fantasy show. Why do you dislike it so much?
@@tonysylar For me is GoT te best fantasy serie last 10-20 years, but Expanse is for me probably the best scifi serie last 10 years. Thats mean Got is for me more than Expanse of course, but still Expanse is one of the best serie last 10 years in TVshows.
@@tonysylar bro you are drunk
RIP Diana Rig, what a way for the Olenna Tyrell character to go out. How grandiose was the scene of Dothrakis breaking through the Lannister lines while Drogon flies over the skies menacingly as the inferno rages underneath. The Dothrakis all jumping on their horses at the same time with the war music playing that gets you all fired up? That was insane. The whole filming of that fight is just captivating. Poor Jaime gets completely rolled over by these brute hordes tho smh. Hard for me to watch that.😔
hey Nat, you should consider ‘Westworld’ after you’re done with GoT, considering that’s where HBO put all their $$ once GoT wrapped. I really think you would enjoy it: cinematography, actors, dialogue, themes & Ramin Djawadi being a literal maestro again 🤠🤖 2:57 it’s ok, we’ll talk about that more 😬 lol. and also in your spare time, go watch any of the behind the scenes of the huge set pieces; it’s pretty remarkable 🤯 and RIP Dame Diana Rigg, Forever Our Queen of Thorns 🍷
YES. it's such a underrated show.
Yes, this show is good.
Show went downhill after S1. S2 had some great moments but it was a hot mess. S3 was just a mess. I've lost all expectations for it.
@@andrewcook1246 I felt the same, but I’ve rewatched 3 again & it’s got some solid moments too. I have ideas how 4 could go, but I’m cool to wait & see what’s up
After Game of Thrones is over, you could either watch HBO's Rome, or even do Boardwalk Empire. Both insanely good.
Yeah, HBO Rome would have gone to many more series if they had the money, like GoT - the time wasn't ready, yet...
Rome is the best. Even cut short.
Or The Wire, or Hill House
Ed's Hands of Gold song is actually a nice song from the book about Tyrion and Shae. But also if you listen to the lyrics you can easily apply them to Jaime travelling through hell and highwater to reunite with Cersei. The lyrics and the tune almost feel like it's half ironic half admiring, like the reaction King's Landing always had to the brother's undying love for their queen. The song being put in the show this late gave rise to all the predictions about how Jaime and Cersei's story will end, but also a theory where it's actually Jaime who is the Prince that Was Promised. He'll pull the Lightbringer sword out of the fire with his golden hand! The scene humanizes the Lannister rank & file.
A tidbit is that near Highgarden is also where the "Iron Fist" army of House Lannister and House Gardener (who ruled The Reach before the Tyrells) fought Aegon Tageryan's invasion of Westeros. It's called the Field of Fire as the entire army of the two Houses was burned down by Aegon's dragons. After the battle it is in these fields Lorren Lannister bent his knee to Aegon the Conqueror. So this battle, the sides and the outcome mirrors those events. But after subduing the south, Aegon turned his eye northwards...maybe the new Conqueror would do the same.
@cameron marek - you absolutely crush the editing of these. I've watched the full-length episodes and rewatch your edits because they are so well done! Bravo sir!
Theon made the only reasonable choice, to jump overboard
Retreat can sometimes be the best option for all - he would have died for nothing, this way he lives to fight another day.
Fun fact: Maisie Williams, who plays Arya, *worships* Ed Sheeran.
She was gasping for breath between takes.
Put the tabloids down.
She was actually friends with him by this point
"Dany kinda forgot about the Iron fleet and Euron's forces..."
- David Benioff
Yes, because never in the history of naval warfare has a well-commanded and informed enemy fleet turned up in the wrong place at the wrong time.
@@neilgriffiths6427 wrong place, wrong time, isn't equivalent with "forgot"
@@nathangibson2114 They didn't forget. They were written to forget, despite being written that they would also be told about Euron's fleet in the scene beforehand.
@@nathangibson2114 lol I love some.of the excuses people try and come up with too somehow fix the bad writing. I tried a bit when I first watched season 8 because I was too excited to want to admit the show was bad now...and was hoping the ending would somehow explain everything...nah
@@jay9368 All while having the benefit of a better view from an elevated position a large enemy fleet just appeared out of nowhere.
Natalie just guesses absolutely everything. And is like HOW CRAZY THAT WOULD BE HAHAHAHA.
stannis didnt just plan everything in that room, he also had fun times with the red woman on that table and created the shadow monster.
The reason why Sam succeeded at the greyscale procedure where experienced maesters failed is how humble he is. He followed the instructions to the letter whereas the others were cocky and probably thought they wouldn't need to exactly follow them.
Season 1, Robert Baratheon: “Only a fool would meet the dothraki on a open field”
Season 7, Jamie Lannister: 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Well to be fair, they were ambushed. It's not like he had time to turn tail and get away. I don't think he'd intentionally meet them on an open field.
Couldn't be me I woulda deserted😭
Uhhh.... Jamie was ambushed, he fought defensively, he didnt met the dothraki, they met him.
King Robert was a lousy king, but he knew his shit as a warrior.
We finally have arrived on that point of those two series where Natalie's reaction videos are better and more insightful entertainment than the actual episodes
You might consider watching The Nanny, mainly for the Jewish words that are thrown in, and the somewhat romantic aspect.
Also, Niles and CC are great side characters.
21:05 humbleness at its core
Ah...Euron .....a character made completely of Teflon with a magical teleporting invisible fleet.
and the ability to read the script apparently
Dragon stone is right next to Kings Landing. He probably was spying on dragonstone and was waiting for Danny’s fleet to leave so he could attack them. In the case of the unsullied, he probably followed them from a distance all the way to Castelry Rock
Nat: “Couldn’t we just fire Pycelle? Why did we have to have to have a bunch of kids stab him to death?”
GoT: “You win or you die.”
"Last season definitely felt like a bit of a departure for me in terms of the writing and the plot and the characters. It definitely felt different."
Season 7: Hold my Beer
Season 8 "kind of forgot about it"
season 8: hold my six pack
Yes, it got faster, but only because of the time constraints. There should have been 10 GoT Seasons.
@@neilgriffiths6427 May I remind you of Episode 6 or 7 (beyond the wall). They send Gendry from beyond the Wall to the wall, send a raven from the Wall to Dragonstone and Dany flew from Dragonstone to them beyond the wall in a single day. That is time travel, teleportation or just poor writing from D&D.
@@vorlock7149 or someone assuming, that everything on the screen is happening in real time. I get it, Lord of the Rings had most of the movies spent walking, as did earlier seasons, and they were good by their own. But it's not a commandment to be always done this way. Minutia (which showing how everything happened to be is) is not always needed, and nearly all of the setup to get on with the plot was done earlier anyway, it's only natural that it will all unravel rapidly, or else it would lose itself. And if it was done slower or differently - people would begin complaining anyway, like they do about the Walking Dead or other long, drawn out series. You'd still rather have them spend some 3 extra seasons, walking and talking about inconsequential stuff, when the world in the plot sense is ending at this very moment? If anything, I'd argue that the first 5 seasons should've been only 3.
Same applies to the Witcher. There are story considerations to be made, that are not to your faves benefit. Fans, demanding full service to each of their favourite characters don't know what they want, and would rather ruin an overall story.
D&D aren't the best or brightest writers by a long shot, but doing it the way they did the last seasons throughout entire series would've been a better way overall, for TV. And it could've better kept in check those stuck on a point of dragging everything through the mud of world building, side stories and characters.
If you watch that again you will see Theon glance to the side after Euron call him. He sees Eurons men pulling teeth and cutting out tongues. Theon has ptsd. He did the only thing he could.
"We're peacing out! We saw a dragon! We're not on board for this!" Hahahahah that made me spit out my drink. 35:19
1:23 I mean, if it’s the episode I’m thinking of then the fact that you were even able to see any of it at all is actually pretty incredible.
This is my safe space. I watch this everytime i go to sleep.
Euron is everywhere cause he learnt the power of plot teleportation, like some characters in season 6 already did. But his case is even stronger! He is so good at it that he can teleport full fleets from one side of the continent to the other, and ambush other massive fleets to the point of getting bellow spotter view and ignore possible alarms!!!! Such a madlad.
Daenerys is pretty good too, as she managed to cross half of Westeros with a Dragon and a Dothraki army unnoticed. So much teleportation talent in one season!
Another Sunday watching the best hair on TH-cam! Love you Nat, your commentary is amazing. Definitely obvious that you’ve got a music theatre background.
1) your editing must take you forever. 2) you're excellent at interpreting this series as it happens. I can't say that I had the intellect to understand it so well the first time around. 3) subscribed :)
#4 - LMAO @ "oh his golden arm is making him sink" haaaaaaaa!!!!
The stab wounds that Arya suffered previously... In any other earlier season, that kind of wound would have killed her. To me, that was the first sign that the writers were starting to take way too big liberties. Getting into season seven, they really start disregarding the internal logic of the world they've established, and come season eight... Yaicks.
Oh, and Cersei blowing the Sept to smithereens... I was fine with that as such. But in previous seasons, an action like that would have had consequences. What would the people of King's Landing have felt or done about it? What would be the political fallout of doing something like that to the faith? How do you fill the vacuum you've now created? But no, the writers just ignore this entirely. "Nah, it'll be fine!"
If the writing of the later seasons was the same quality of the precious seasons, destroying ths Sept would have led to religious extremists carrying out terror attacks on Cersei and the Red Keep: she would have turned an organized force of puritanical busybodies into a splintered and radicalized rebellion against the crown.
I think people underestimate that the writers after 10 years just got fatigue
Fatigued writers? That's being kind.
Im really into your xmen deep dive as well and super glad you started from the first movies, theyre proper
Tyrion outsmarted, totally, for the first time!
Season 7 and 8 are my favorites. I've been waiting for your reactions for these 2 seasons for a while.
Brans vision of Ned clearly tells you Jon's lineage, watch it again just for yourself no commentary you will easily see it.
Bran doesn't become wise and all knowing when he becomes the 3 Eyed Raven. He now literally remembers EVERYTHING. Hundreds, if not thousands of years of history from all over the world, shoved into his head as memories. So the small little piece that is the life and memories of Bran Stark are now completely overwhelmed by everything else. That's why he has no emotions. He's not really a person anymore. He's basically more like a walking, breathing, history text book.
This is my favourite time of the week
Hey mr editor man, just wanna say, your sense of humour is fantastic. Really appreciate you!
Jon: I came back from the dead!
Bran: I can see the Future!
Arya: I'm a shape-shifting Ninja assassin!
Sansa: Well. Great. I got married to Ramsey Bolton...
Hey Nat, these 3 episodes you featured were some of my favorites in just so much mostly cool things happened. Starting off w/ Arya going after the rest of House Frey, and basically the " chickens coming back home to roost". Being a short girl, Arya sparring with Brianna was just great! ('Arya' is only 5'2" and Bri is 6'1") I love how much wiser Sansa is after all her awful time in KL and after all she's been through. It is a shame Bran is pretty much just a whole changed person, so far from who he was until his becoming the 3 Eyed Raven. I wish he had been left with some warmth of family. Onward, even though she shouldn't have done it for many reasons, you just can't help but still LOVE Dany's attack on the gold and soldiers! It was freaking EPIC!!😁💖 And I loved seeing the look on Jamie and Braun's faces when they first see Drogon.😋🔥🔥🤓 Watching you during all of this as usual has been fun.
I’m surprised you didn’t react to the Arya and Nymeria reunion!
I absolutely LOVED Araya’s training session with Lady Bre. Truly an epic fight scene!
I was waiting for it to be loki lol
1:03 I can feel your pain. When I was watching the show for the first time, I had issues with the subtitles during some of the episodes. So at one point when I sat down to watch a new one, I randomly clicked into the video to check if there are subtitles. I saw Catelyn Stark in pain, crawling under a table. I managed to spoil the red wedding for myself 🤦🏼♀️
“Balerion the Dread. Drogon is almost that big.”
Oh, my sweet summer child.
Every time 'Balerion' is said it should pause and the screen should shake with flames in the background with a deep voice repeating 'BALERION.'
I think the cost of being all-knowing is that things like being polite feels trivial to the more important matter at hand. I think that's what he's thinking of. The reality of the situation.
23:51 No matter how hard I try I can't pinch my pinkie and index fingers together.
7 seasons in and still calling them night walkers, love it
The beginning of this season is actually one fo the best of the series
Not really. The first episode with the exception of Arya killing off the Freys has nothing going on and with only a 7 episode season they needed to move the plot faster instead it's just a lot of talking. Might be for the best though since dumber and dumber were over this show by season 7.
@@dsfddsgh beginning meaning the opener with Arya…
What was so good too, was with the wait between S6 & S7 I had actually forgotten Arya had killed Frey by the time I saw this, so was double surprised lol
@@ThammuzBabylon oh totally! It starts and you immediately got excited because you knew what was happening. Also, the quotes she used were great. Leave one wolf Alive quote was great, I remember literally fist pumping when I heard it hahahahaha
@@thomasalessio I kinda disagree, it was cool for sure, but it just felt like fan service with the way it played out
White Walkers are like the generals (usually in armor of some kind and the ones that look the least like zombies) the Night King is the White Walker 'king' (guy with the icey spikes on his head) and all of the 'zombies' are called wights.
The fact they revealed last season who Jon parents are... and she still thinks dragons are ‘foreshadowing’ lol... like she a few steps behind
Trogdor, the Burninator! Also, Maisie Williams did such a good job playing Arya playing Walder Frey in this one, it was almost impossible to tell her performance from David Bradley's!
You could DE-stress by watching a good comedy. 'Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story' ( 2004 ).....starring Ben Stiller, Vince Vaughn & featuring a slew of other recognizable comedic actors.....not to mention MANY surprising cameos. I forgot this film even existed, until I saw some other reaction channels covering it. The 'Girl Scout' scene alone...had me rolling on the floor.
You could also watch a good comedy. 😅🍻
That is a fantastic suggestion.
Good comedy? Lol that’s a stretch, it’s hilarious but I don’t know how you could seriously consider it a “good” film
Such a random suggestion, not a good movie imo tho, it’s just incredibly dumb to where it becomes funny
JON IS RHAEGAR'S SON. There's no way it's Robert's because he never got to be with Lyanna, it's what started the rebellion in the first place. He siezed the throne from the Targaryens. This still doesn't make Jon an official Targaryen, because he was born outside of marriage.