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@@AtariEric Aye, they captured the mentality of a modern woman quite nicely. The 90s version of Catwoman was more interesting, as she was more of an anti-hero. Not really evil, but hardly altruistic. She did things for a greater purpose and something larger than her own vanity. This modern Catwoman encapsulates the modern feminist mentality: Entitled, narcissistic, unwilling to accept any accountability or responsibility, and who believes the world exists for her amusement, enrichment, and enjoyment. And to hell with everyone else.
Catwoman felt like an inversion to Batman; where Bruce Wayne is just a mask Selina Kyle is the same both ways, where Alfred is close and trusted confidant of Batman Greta was essentially a babysitter who was more than happy to quit when she had the chance, and ofc while Bruce had completely lost his parents Selina's father was merely in jail
Don't forget how Selina crumbles as soon as the pressure becomes too real while Bruce can take a beating from a guy like Onomatopoeia and swing back just as hard.
This version of Catwoman is far less complex than how she's usually depicted, but she is fun, and sometimes thats all you need in order to like a villain.
While I wouldn't say this is the most interesting take on Catwoman, I will say I do like how this Catwoman is less of a relatively sympathetic character. Instead, she is just a simple thrill-seeking elite who acts as an inverse of how Bruce wears a mask to help others. In contrast, Selina wears a mask to steal from others as she feels like she can do whatever she wants regardless of the consequences. Even though I wish the chemistry between this Catwoman and Batman was better, I do still like how this version of Catwoman takes inspiration from Batman, even down to having her own Cat-Mobile, which I thought was hilarious. Greta was also the MVP of this episode. Loved how she got payback on Selina
Greta getting payback in the end was absolutely perfect! It also helps reinforce that they're not going to stick to making Catwoman as one dimensional as implied earlier in the episode. I think one of the things at least BTAS (and the live action movie) tried to avoid is the stereotype that "Cats are evil" with their depiction of Catwoman as a villain that eventually turns good or at least helps Batman even if for her own less than noble reasons. In an ironic sense, this version may end up being MORE sympathetic as time goes on if this is the first of a few future appearances we'll see of her, given they straight up start off wtih her being a villain and losing so powerfully, she really has nowhere to go but up.... likely after a short "revenge" arc though.
Just how sharp are Selina’s nails. She does her classic, cutting a circle in the glass with her hand, trick but she doesn’t have gloves and metal claws in this version.
Maybe she filed them down to points? It’s what midwives used to do so that they could deal with tongue ties quickly, so it’s sharp enough to break skin at least.
Apart from the comic accuracy, this Catwoman had wonderful 1940s starlet energy. I loved Christina Ricci's playful, purfect performance and her interactions with Hamish Linklater's Bruce Wayne/Batman. Mighty fine work, Luke. Thank you!
I do wonder if Selina's descent to poverty would actually make into a better person. A key aspect of Selina's evolution from an unrepentant thief to a sympathetic, anti-hero is Frank Miller's addition that she came from the lower-class and had to literally fight to survive. If you look at any depictions of Selina as an anti-hero or a legit love interest to Batman, they nearly all share that backstory, whether it be a mousy secretary who lives in a lowly apartment or a waiter trying to keep her girlfriend from being killed by the mob.
They honestly could set up for this, like it sets up for her to be a rich thief who is only in it for herself. And why should she? She's been born with a silver spoon and a maid handling everything for her.
I love this version of Catwoman, she’s an icon. In a world of morally complicated characters and mentally ill supervillains, she’s just a rich girl who likes cats and stealing
To an extent, I feel like this Selina’s behaviour stems from how her family brought her up. Like her, her father was also doing illegal actions(tax fraud) and from how it sounds she’s gotten in trouble but got out thanks to her family. From how it sounds, her father may not have been the best role model or instilled proper morals and never properly discipline her when she did immoral actions or made sure she had atleast learned her lesson. I remember this Ep of Brooklyn nine nine, Tagger where this kid that tagged stuff got away a lot because his dad was deputy police commisioner. And when talking, Jake said the kid was lucky only for holt to say he feels bad for the kid, saying he really isn’t. “I mean what kind of a father cares so little for his son, he lets him get away with everything”. I can imagine he could’ve been the type that made sure she had nice things and would help her out of trouble…but failed to give her the proper support and attention she really needed. Bruce had loving parental figures who were both in his life and instilled good virtues in him and though their relationship is strained, I imagine Alfred also made sure Bruce stayed on a clean path towards his journey to becoming Batman and helps wheel him in when he’s going too far and make him reflect. And Like you said it seems she has no mom(etheir died or left) which probably also had an affect on her upbringing, perhaps if she’s dead, that’s why she considered herself an orphan. One dead…the other wasn’t really there when it counted.
The only problem I really have with this version of Catwoman is she felt like a member of the Batman the animated series terrible trio. who in that cartoon series were three rich kids who decided they were bored of regular sports because they didn't give the same thrill anymore so they turned to a life of crime I'm because they figured nobody would be able to catch them. The Catwoman episode pretty much establishes from what we see in her penthouse apartment that this version of Selena participate in sports and had gotten several golden trophies meaning she's basically just like the terrible trio members deciding to take on the life of crime for the thrill.
@@mrheroprimes there is a difference though- Selina in CC is pretty much flat broke and does what she does to keep herself afloat, as well as for the thrill. She also doesn't seem to mind living in a hideout slum apartment, later in the episode. The Terrible Trio, from what we saw in their episode, were very financially secure and had plenty of money to spare. They did what they did purely for the thrill, like their hunting expeditions or globe trotting adventures. While Selina was happy with her new run down apartment, Warren 'Fox' Lawford was shocked and horrified about being shoved into a run down prison cell like any common criminal. The Terrible Trio were far worse, in terms of their 'entitled rich brat' energy and vibes.
I love how nearly every version of Selina starts off as a selfish thief who is just a criminal for the simple fact that she loves the thrill of the chase but in most versions she grows as a character and becomes somewhat noble and willing to help others im looking forward to seeing what the future holds for this version of Selina
It's a nice way of tying into the whole "Anti-hero" mirror where Batman is a good guy with good ends to the means, his means often make him look like at best a vigilante and at worst, an anti-hero. Catwoman is more like a villain turned anti-villain, where she steals for the thrill, but often finds herself on the right side of justice. as time goes on. Given this was the first episode to show her and they effectively all but broke her down to nothing, and how prominent of a character Catwoman is in media, it's likely she will slowly see her petty theft turn to her own kind of vengence before turning into something of a genuine respect/romance for Batman. Not uncommon for the "Villain slowly and reluctantly turned hero" trope, especially since unlike Penguin, who never really had a formal lore to tether him (or her in this case) beyond being a wealthy suiter who uses the glitz to hide a powerful criminal underworld, Catwoman, much like Two face and Joker, are pretty well established and have certain rules that people just expect cause of thier notoriety.
In BTAS, she started off as somewhat of an anti-villain in the sense that she had noble goals(protecting feline wildlife) but used criminality to achieve them but later on embraced the criminal identity as her true passion.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 your not wrong but like I said it depends what universe we are talking about. In the DCAU she was selfish and despite being a criminal she showed on numerous occasions even later on that she is not evil and has good in her when she helps Batman from time to time but mostly because there is something in it for herself so yeah, but in universes such as Arkham or Telltale despite remaining a thief in both universes she showed her noble and caring side on numerous occasions especially when in Telltale she learned that Batman is Bruce Wayne she kept his secret and depending on the choices you make in game she can become one of his closest allies
I really quite enjoyed the episode Kiss of the Catwoman. That brief but thrilling, neon-soaked chase between Batman and Catwoman across the Clowder Industries rooftop was quite the visual splendor. I also found myself relating to Greta, not so much for her patience but her approach to handling bills - exquisite! 🚮 Let's just hope the cruise she goes on doesn't involve the Iceberg Lounge...
Right? And I especially love how he took orders from a ten year old, helping him become a costumed vigilante risking his life to put criminals away. A ten year old.
At 9:02 you see one of my favorite, blink and you miss it, jokes in the series Selina and Bats are running in front of the huge neon sign of "CLOWDER INDUSTRIES" A "Clowder" is what you call a group of cats 🐈 😊
I enjoyed this Catwoman. A lot of discussions are comparing this origin and her more popular origin of coming from poverty, and while not as interesting, it's fun and does have something to say about class disparity.
Honestly, probably one of my favorite takes on Catwoman that I’ve seen in a while. She’s up there with her DCAU interpretation and the version of her from The Batman (2004)
Definitely like the idea that “The Appearance of One, will inspire another” origin for Selina becoming the costumed themed thief Catwoman and that she already has some developed skills at acrobatics by the trophies in her room.
I do have to add cat woman is not a “thief” she’s more of a sneaky thief she’s jumps from buildings to buildings while being so silent doing it, she dose not give any other cares for anybody else expect her and it fits her 100%. Shes more of a get the jewellery and other things and get out sneakily and she does it and in the day in the Wayne museum she really got under Bruce’s skin as we can tell from 2:54 he really took offence and I respect that she does not give a hell about anybody’s feelings nor their family oh boy just wait until they bring bane in this will be fun.
Speaking of iconic characters in this series who are always adapted, I thought Batman being slightly rash in his decision making was a nice change of pace of him either usually in the right when he needs to be or completely flawed hero, which the fact that we see have to learn how bad even the most smallest and noble decisions can go wrong l, which is a nice arc for the first season and this episode specifically, it makes me hope if we get a season 2 that it will have Batman think a lot more before he commits to something to prevent something similar to the finale from happening again.
Glad I'm not the only who felt their chemistry was overstated. Of she appears in S2, maybe we'll see more of that element. Also, I like that Eel O'Brien tried to be flexible with Batman. Eh? Ehh? EHHH??? Literally though, he was bent over backward.
So I guess it’s too early to say that Helena Wayne may not appear in later seasons. Firebug here is probably a mixture of Firefly and Victor Zsasz as Zsasz kills people because he thinks they’re zombies and Firebug sees fire everywhere
I know what you mean. The night I first watched this I had only intended to watch the first two episodes and I ended up watching the whole season. It was like a new book I just couldn't put down.
6:04 After a rewatch, I think the episode gave some subtle hints that Batman feels something for Selina. - When she kissed him, he hesitates for moment and the way he said "enough" sound like he was giving in to her advance. - When Batman saved her, he teand Selina's wound leg (nice reference to their first meeting in the comics btw), very slowly for someone who acts he doesn't feel love or lust. He gets only when Selina is about to imply there's something between them. I think Bruce is attract to Selina, despite her flaws, but, as established in this same episode, he doesn't know how handle these emotions, choosing to repress them and acting cold and dismissive towards others, including Alfred.
feel like this was the strongest episode of the season, good characterization, get to see more of Bruce explored, Selina is a fun character, and sets up future episodes well
As a fan of Catwoman, I think it's cool that they introduced the golden age version of her. I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with Catwoman in season 2.
Caped Crusader’s Catwoman gives me massive callbacks to Post-Crisis Catwoman, where she was inspired by Batman’s vigilantism (in ‘Batman: Year One’) and the idea for the “thrill of the chase” and becomes a thief. Similarly in Caped Crusader, she develops a costumed alias after seeing the Newspaper sketch of Batman, which I think is a nice connection.
5:55 That obsession was definitely meant to be about the crusade instead of romantic. Still, I didn’t feel it was properly developed. If Catwoman had more episodes to shine that’d have been better shown for sure. That said I like a more villainous and self-centered Catwoman. She was a fun addition to Caped Crusader’s rogues gallery.
one of my favorite things about batman is the psychological aspect to every character, and i love how you analyze that in every video, keep cooking man, your awesome
Catwoman was the character I was most looking forward to seeing in the show and I was not disappointed at all. I make no secret of the fact that I don't hold BTAS Catwoman in terribly high regard and I find that depiction of Catwoman to be hardly memorable or compelling. However, while I've had my apprehensions for the show before its debut, I was actually fairly confident that I was going to enjoy Caped Crusader's Catwoman quite a bit more by the way they talked about her and honestly I feel like Bruce Timm got a better handle on Catwoman already in TNBA so I was actually quite optimistic. I felt they struck a perfect balance of showcasing her playfulness and kleptomania as well as the thrill she gets whenever Batman chases her. And another thing that I absolutely loved about Catwoman was how perfectly they showed in the beginning that she was clearly taking an actual interest in Bruce Wayne because Selina Kyle being interested in both Bruce and Batman has always been a staple of the character in the comics and I consider very essential that BTAS ignored. And my God, Christina Ricci was so amazing. I can't wait to see more of her as Catwoman. Although I still would say that the best animated Catwoman is the one voiced by Gina Gershon in The Batman. Catwoman in The Batman felt ripped straight from the Jim Balent run.
A detail I liked was that to the modern eye Catwoman's throwback costume, as well as being golden-age appropriate, is pretty obviously impractical, and that gets paid off. Bullock almost catches her by grabbing her cape, and her high heels are shown as the reason she falls from the building and needs to be saved by Batman. Nothing for how she was leaving her fingerprints all over the place, don't know if that technology exists in the setting yet.
I enjoyed this depiction of Catwoman as a complex character who embodies a blend of charm and sophistication while also exhibiting a playful yet morally ambiguous nature. It recalls her earlier representation in _Batman Returns,_ where she navigates the fine line between allure and instability, which in turn aligns with a recurring theme in Bruce Timm's work: even characters who appear dignified and high-society, like Catwoman, can possess underlying complexities and vulnerabilities, reflecting how anyone-regardless of their outward appearance-can be susceptible to darker impulses.
It did remind me of those stories in which Catwoman is in it more for the thrill than for what she was stealing. In these stories, when the robbery wasn’t challenging enough she’d give the thing back and try to steal it again just to see if she could pull it off again now that the security/police/Batman were aware of her.
Not that there's anything wrong with being a good person really out for social justice a la the current Selina, but having an amoral version out for money and thrills again was delightfully different.
Kinda like Black Cat from the infamous 2017 Spiderman cartoon, who's also an unrepentant thief. Unlike Catwoman, all of Felicia's character development in the comics is completely ignored. Which explains why she acted more like an enemy to Spidey than one of his love interests and trusted allies. Sure, she has bad luck powers in the comics, but not very often, thanks to Dr. Strange, who removed them from her.
@@SerumLake I like him honestly as both, I they could have a character arc where he dips into more criminal activities spying on the mob or something, and end up falling in the substance that turns him into plastic man, and batman has to teach him restraint with his abilities
Funnies thing about this episode is after Batman catches and handcuffs catwoman to table, it looks like thous handcuffs are barely even holding her. Just lift the table and shes free to escape again. (8:00)
Maybe for season 2 Catwoman after spending time in jail, realize that she needs to learn to survive Or be destroyed So in prison, she learns the skills that she needs and when she gets out for good behavior, she becomes a Criminal mastermind committing crimes and having her own gang of criminals. like the kingpin
Checked Google, and it says that good conduct time, i.e. "time off for good behavior", was introduced in 1850 and was incorporated in 46 states by 1910, so that checks out
She could begin to create her own gang of thieves (including her sidekick from the comics Holly Robinson) at same time Batman begins to create his bat-family (or to work more often with others like Gordon and Barbara), once again showing Selina as dark reflection of Bruce.
Even if the next one focuses more on Firebug, I really want to see the analysis on Bullock and Flass. When it comes to Harvey Bullock, this is the most evil version of the character I've ever seen.
It's interesting to see this version of Catwoman that doesn't have the upper hand on Batman. While she is basically a rich girl who has never been told no her entire life this episode was very fun. Even the ending was pretty good with the maid selling all of Selina's possessions. It feels reminiscent of older shows and you normally wouldn't see that on tv nowadays.
This helps to strenght the parallell between her and Batman not only in personality (both rich people who are dismissive of close allies)but also on skills. While Batman has more experience than Selina, as showed in episodes like The Penguin and Harley Quinn, he's not perfect, he can make mistake and still learning from his experiences.
In terms of potential love interests for CC’s Batman, I think they can do better than this version of CatWoman. For now I’m more interested in seeing how Bruce may interact with some of the other ladies from the comics.
Seen how Selina takes inspirations from Batman and how next season he will most likely begin to work with others (like Gordon and Barbara), I think she could follow a similar path in the following seasons, creating her own gang of thieves (maybe even meeting Holy Robinson, her sidekick from the comics). Also, since Bruce Timm is clear a fan of the 70's/80's Batman comics (as proven by BTAS episodes like "The Laughting Fish" and "The Strange Secret of Bruce Wayne"), I could see he using Selina's return to adapt the Len Wein run, in which Selina tries to reform and begin to do business with Wayne Enterprise, resulting in her and Bruce beginning a relationship. In the show this could fit with Batman's arc about becoming more and compassinate and empathetic . In this case he could begin to use his company to help criminals to reform and offer them a second chance. Selina could be the one to put this idea to test, with Bruce having doubts but choosing to not reject Selina so he can keep an eye on her and see if her intentions are truth. Much like in the comics, he and Selina could become close, adding more drama to the situation, with Bruce dealing with the fact he has feelings to a criminal while Selina is now in conflict about continue her reformed life or going back to be a criminal, betraying the trust of Bruce.
@@Rengokuo4o6 Sort of. Batman is bit more cold then previous ones, as we can see in how he treated Alfred in the beginning. But, through the season we do see him slowly showing his compassion. It's very likely that season 2, he will show more of this side of him, both as Batman but also as Bruce Wayne, taking a more active role in trying to make Gotham a better place.
@@Rengokuo4o6 They are both important identities that allow Bruce to make a difference in Gotham. As Batman he fights crime and bring criminals to justice, either by showing the error of their ways or, if that doesn't work, he arrests them one way or another. As Bruce Wayne, he uses his company and it's resources to try to improve Gotham's living conditions, by buying companies and offering well-paid jobs, paying for free health care in crime alley and fund halfway houses for his enemies who are trying to reform. Through this actions he can help people both in and out of costume and inspire them to be kind and help people bc it's right thing to do. Plus, much like his actions as Batman show to the citizen there's is someone fighting corruption, his actions as Bruce Wayne help to show peope that not all rich guys in Gotham are greedy and selfish like Rolland Dagget.
I was in stitches at the angry face Selina made after Greta literally cut her loose over the phone. And her outrage: "That little crook!" "Pot, Kettle!" I exclaimed, when I watched it for the first time. I definitely want to see more of her though. There is potential for character development - maybe into a more positive direction, now that she has to learn the harsh realities of Gotham from a previously carefree mindset?
I think firefly even for a one of villain felt quite unhinged as well it really showed even if he didn’t look like harmless he was incredibly dangerous
I knew I loved your videos for a reason as you offer a new perspective that I had not seen despite watching the episode twice. That said the episode overall still felt quite disappointing. The connection between Batman and Catwoman felt lacking (Not in the romantic sense). The beauty of Batman is the dynamic he has against his rouges gallery. Every villain brings something different and unique to the table. This version of Catwoman could almost be replaced with a common crook given how quickly Batman is able to dispatch of her. Even in the 40s comics Catwoman was very crafty despite being outmatched by Batman. The courtroom scene also irks me as well as there were two eye witness watching her flee from the jewelry store, cops mind you, and that still wasn't enough to convict her on top all while having a past criminal record. The episode ultimately felt very predictable and very flat, I guess i was expecting much more. However I very much did enjoy the video, I feel that it is important to listen to many different perspectives to generally understand a narrative within the community, below is a link to that creator. It also leads me to ponder if the creators had difficulty choosing a story from the 40s because her character is somewhat shallow then, if so they could've also taken stories from the 70s where she is much more developed by then and her outfit is almost identical to that of the 40s. th-cam.com/video/nJvz-FHwNig/w-d-xo.htmlsi=gMNjGA1p7A-kTNc_
That’s very kind of you to use the thanks button, even if you didn’t enjoy Kiss of the Catwoman as much as I did. I always say that the world would be a boring place if we all felt the same way about everything!
@@user-ee6lk1pb6w No, I mean that these characters came out during THE GREAT DEPRESSION and even then they knew who the good guys and the bad guys were
The episodes from “Caped Crusader” almost seem like cautionary tales to Batman/Bruce Wayne. Gentlemen Ghost is what happens to those who who are blinded by wealth and privilege, Catwoman is an example of those who don’t care about the other people in their life, and Clayface is a monster born out of anaminity.
The rogues also act as dark reflection of Batman's character arc, who at beginning is just a dark vigilante who acts cold and dismissive towards others. The difference is that Batman actually realizes his mistake and becomes more empathetic and respectfull towards others. The rogues, on other hand, refuse to change their arrogant and self-entitle attitude until finally they suffered the consequences of their actions. Catwoman and Harvey Dent being the two biggest exemples.
@@SerumLake Indeed, in fact a lot of what Batman does are things he learned from Harvey. Batman did admit he used interrogation techniques that Harvey used as D.A. and I would venture that a lot of the personality traits of his Bruce Wayne persona are based on how Harvey Dent acted.
For as much “WOKE” talk there is around the new Batman series, it still retains that same glamour that the original did in it’s aesthetic! And Selina is an excellent example of this!
This is one of those times I think it would have worked better if they had spread out Catwoman over several episodes (much like the Penguin) and then they do a full catwoman episode cause this version felt very rushed and then thrown away once they were done with her
I love how absolutely done with Selina's bull crap everyone is. Batman's tired of it, the police are tired of it, especially her maid is tired of it. Just hilarious.
@@crhu319 She's just not a good character In this, she could easily be written out, Catwoman is supposed to be somewhat Likeable, she's just unlikeable in this show.
One thing I don't like about Batman: Caped Crusader, is that all the villains get wrapped up a bit TOO nicely. Like, how are we going to see some of these villains again, later in the show? Most have either gone to jail, or have been killed. Selina might not be in jail for long (I'm not sure how long petty thievery will keep you in the slammer); but still, how is she going to come back from this? How are ANY of the villain, who have done worse in the show (like the Penguin or Clayface) going to come back?! Are they going to break out? Are we going to see them WAY latter in the series (like season 3 or so)? How do we/do we even put them in Arkham Asylum (I know we have that in the show)?! I have so many questions, that aren't going to get answers, until later 🥲
@@lisafaber3422 you mean the argument of "he is indirectly killing innocent people by not killing criminals" is made redundant and non-existent because the villians don't come back. There will be no debate of his no kill rule now and people can finally shut up about it.
I take it as something to appreciate that the years led me to appreciate characters like Bullock now that I'm older. I am thankful that in my life I never had to face any of the crap he has to deal with as someone in his line of work in a city as batshit [all the puns intended] intended but reality can be a strange pusher of strange outcomes.
9:00 I disagree. It wasn't her costumed shenanigans that cost her her fortune. It was her callous treatment of "the help" and not paying Greta for 3 years that ended up costing her everything. That's another pretty clear juxtaposition between Selena and Bruce. Alfred gets paid on time! And, of course, Bruce treats him like a human being, not property. Bruce never takes Alfred for granted.
I do like that they didn't play up the romantic angle. I think you are right. Batman is more annoyed at catwoman. Which is a more realistic reaction. Plus I love what Greta did at the end.
Bruce Timm, please don't let anything bad happen to Eel O'brian. Please. Except *_maybe_* falling into a vat of chemicals and becoming Plastic Man, I would love to see what Caped Crusader does with Plastic Man, even if he's only around for like a single episode and fucks off.
I like this catwoman, another inversion of the normal charecter. It could also be the start ofnher becoming the more noble catwoman, now that she will be destitute once released from prison.
Tv shows always failed in giving character development to catwoman or show her as how she evolved over the decades(i know animated series tried to but it was a mess of direction between warner animation and bruce timm). Only the movies show more than just the thief, they accept her as batman best relation and a complex character with a dark origin. I hope she gets character development in the next seasons, but as far as i can tell, she is not aloud to get many episodes or become an integral side character in a batman series. Is like if mary jane had 5 episodes in a spiderman series and doesn't go beyond some flirting with spiderman.
@@michaelandreipalon359 i was refering not just about the live action movies but also the animated ones like hush and long halloween that did justice to their relationship
@@anakinskywalker2142 A pity Hush feels rushed, while The Long Halloween just had to be a Tomorrowverse tale, not a proper standalone a la Under the Red Hood.
Not much to this episode (it's pretty shallow), but in a weird way, it still kinda worked. The simplicity of Catwoman has always been my preferred version. However, if anything was fascinating, it was seeing the corrupt cops actually trying to do their jobs for once, and getting humiliated for it. So they respond by being corrupt again.
I almost feel like the idea of Batman being obsessed with catwoman and that he wants to put her behind bars to stop thinking about her. Was written by Selena herself as she seems to gleefully self ship with Batman while Batman has none of it
The only issue I really had with this version of Catwoman is that she reminded me of the BTAS terrible trio. Considering in Batman the animated series the terrible trio were three rich kids who had grown bored with that pursuits that most rich guys get into big-game hunting, treasure hunts and deep-sea diving. They were bored with these pursuits and decided to turn to a life of Crime the thrill of the Chase as it were and trying not to get caught. We see the exact same thing with Batman cape Crusader Selena Kyle It's made pretty clear that she was really skilled in women's sports considering the trophy cabinet, That was in her penthouse apartment Upon learning about the Batman she decides to turn to a life of crime for the thrill of the Chase And being a rich kid she probably figured she was untouchable by the law.
A key detail you skipped is "you have toys." She assumed Bats would fight her with hand to hand combat (AKA get physical with her). Another key detail is in episode 4 and 10 (both written by Ed. B) Flass made sure Bullock did all the dirty work. In this episode he just shoots Catwoman. Either this is a writer miscommunication Harvery and I are wrong about Flass, or Catwoman just made him that mad. I disagree about wanting to see more of her. I like this version, but there are many other villains with more depth like Natalia I am way more interested in season 2 devoting time to.
I like Catwoman's original Golden Age costume, but only as a casual costume she'd wear on her downtime in the lair with the henchmen. As a costume she'd wear burglaring, it looks silly, especially in motion; I keep expecting the skirt of her dress to get snagged on something and her heels to trip her up or break. They should've used Catwoman's initial Silver Age costume instead; it's essentially the Golden Age costume but with pants.
I wonder if they will make Talia, Bruce's main love interest and be the one to break down Bruce's walls But with her loyalty to her father, Ra's al Ghul, it would be bittersweet.
I’m sad plastic man mostly has fairly short scenes in comics and shows. I’ve been begging for more Plastic Man and this would be the perfect chance! They could even make him still work as a reporter in his daily life, but have plastic man appear to stop criminals here and there. With his goggle and red theme, his identity would still be secret. Well, as secret as most hero’s secret identities are lol.
I'm going in episode order, so Firebug is next week, and Harley is the week after that. Currently writing that script, and will be editing the video this week!
Yaa Salina very much blend thrill seeker ,A cleptomaniac also having ,eventual loves developed a care for animals .So her goals being be rich ,have cat themed collection ,get thrill of robbing ,and help animals .
Catwoman what's not to love about our iconic cat Batman rogue. She is one of my top 5 Batman's Rogues. In my opinion, she is the perfect foil and villainous version opposite of Bruce Wayne aka Batman. Selina Kyle isn't pure insane like The Joker or tragically sad like Mr. Freeze. Unlike Batman, Catwoman has the freedom to steal and cheat for herself. She does it for fun and she does have similairites to Batman but while Batman wants to help Catwoman wants to steal. This iteration of Selina while not interesting I did enjoy how she was basically a thrill seeker turn eleven. She didn't needed a tragic backstory as unlike Bruce who's trauma resulted in him trying to fix Gotham. Selina doesn't care she's taking away things for herself. Also I love Greta and her dynamic with Selina mirrors to Bruce and Alfrd yet opposite. Not only are both of them alone with no family, they only have a waitress by their side and have rich personas. But unlike Bruce, Selina only cares for her selfishness and besides cats she represents how the rich in this version of Gotham thrive. I enjoyed how Selina is what Bruce could've been had he became more selfish. If he became more horrible by getting what he wants rather than what he needs. Unpopular opinion but I'm not a big fan of Catwoman in BTAS. Yes I did enjoyed her episodes but for me out of all the BTAS rogues she didn't reach her potential. At least BTAS Catwoman wasn't a literal laughingstock like how BTAS treated Bane. Overall my favorite Catwoman iteration is probably Injustice or her solo comic story. In my opinion while the former gives me conplicated feelings those versions are for me the best iterations of Catwoman in my opinion. While Catwoman here isn't my favorite iteration I think she's enjoyable and I hope to see more of this Caped Crusader adaption.
I haven’t seen it, and he’s more than entitled to his opinion. I can see why someone might compare the two, but they’re very different products. I loved X-Men 97, it was a revival of an old show with modern tech. Caped Crusader is a fresh start and reimagining of some of the ideas Bruce Timm had decades ago. If you’re coming in to Caped Crusader expecting it to be more episodes of BTAS then I can see why you might be disappointed, because it really isn’t that similar at all.
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Catwoman: "What can I say? I like nice things. And sometimes they accidentally come home with me"
Suggesting Bruce, too, is a "thing" - yet another plaything for spoiled rich girl.
@@AtariEricdamn she isn't hiding it
@@AtariEric Aye, they captured the mentality of a modern woman quite nicely. The 90s version of Catwoman was more interesting, as she was more of an anti-hero. Not really evil, but hardly altruistic. She did things for a greater purpose and something larger than her own vanity. This modern Catwoman encapsulates the modern feminist mentality: Entitled, narcissistic, unwilling to accept any accountability or responsibility, and who believes the world exists for her amusement, enrichment, and enjoyment. And to hell with everyone else.
@@sethraelthebard5459which is ironic considering the show is supposed to take place in the 1940s
Progressive 40s. No Racism or Sexism but still Corrupt
Catwoman felt like an inversion to Batman; where Bruce Wayne is just a mask Selina Kyle is the same both ways, where Alfred is close and trusted confidant of Batman Greta was essentially a babysitter who was more than happy to quit when she had the chance, and ofc while Bruce had completely lost his parents Selina's father was merely in jail
Don't forget how Selina crumbles as soon as the pressure becomes too real while Bruce can take a beating from a guy like Onomatopoeia and swing back just as hard.
@@jordanloux3883 NGL i ship them together ❤❤❤
@@Rengokuo4o6You mean Batman and Onomatopoeia?
Kidding, kidding
@@jordanhunter3375 "~Bang~"
@@jordanhunter3375Let's not be too hasty. There's definitely a possibility that will be a ship considering this franchise...
This version of Catwoman is far less complex than how she's usually depicted, but she is fun, and sometimes thats all you need in order to like a villain.
You have to wonder how she will fare in prison, and what she’ll do once she gets out.
You think they would do a version of Suicide Squad with her on it?
@@SuperLegendOf364 No i think it's the inverse actually. I think she is far more complicated than she's usually portrayed.
@@SerumLakethe journalist that batman punched is eel O'Brian/plastic man and i find that funny.
While I wouldn't say this is the most interesting take on Catwoman, I will say I do like how this Catwoman is less of a relatively sympathetic character. Instead, she is just a simple thrill-seeking elite who acts as an inverse of how Bruce wears a mask to help others. In contrast, Selina wears a mask to steal from others as she feels like she can do whatever she wants regardless of the consequences. Even though I wish the chemistry between this Catwoman and Batman was better, I do still like how this version of Catwoman takes inspiration from Batman, even down to having her own Cat-Mobile, which I thought was hilarious.
Greta was also the MVP of this episode. Loved how she got payback on Selina
Greta getting payback in the end was absolutely perfect! It also helps reinforce that they're not going to stick to making Catwoman as one dimensional as implied earlier in the episode. I think one of the things at least BTAS (and the live action movie) tried to avoid is the stereotype that "Cats are evil" with their depiction of Catwoman as a villain that eventually turns good or at least helps Batman even if for her own less than noble reasons. In an ironic sense, this version may end up being MORE sympathetic as time goes on if this is the first of a few future appearances we'll see of her, given they straight up start off wtih her being a villain and losing so powerfully, she really has nowhere to go but up.... likely after a short "revenge" arc though.
@@MarioMastar Greta is such a mood.
Just how sharp are Selina’s nails. She does her classic, cutting a circle in the glass with her hand, trick but she doesn’t have gloves and metal claws in this version.
Metallic false nails.
Maybe she filed them down to points? It’s what midwives used to do so that they could deal with tongue ties quickly, so it’s sharp enough to break skin at least.
Secondary mutation?
Abrasive diamond dust maybe
Apart from the comic accuracy, this Catwoman had wonderful 1940s starlet energy. I loved Christina Ricci's playful, purfect performance and her interactions with Hamish Linklater's Bruce Wayne/Batman. Mighty fine work, Luke. Thank you!
I do wonder if Selina's descent to poverty would actually make into a better person. A key aspect of Selina's evolution from an unrepentant thief to a sympathetic, anti-hero is Frank Miller's addition that she came from the lower-class and had to literally fight to survive. If you look at any depictions of Selina as an anti-hero or a legit love interest to Batman, they nearly all share that backstory, whether it be a mousy secretary who lives in a lowly apartment or a waiter trying to keep her girlfriend from being killed by the mob.
They honestly could set up for this, like it sets up for her to be a rich thief who is only in it for herself. And why should she? She's been born with a silver spoon and a maid handling everything for her.
I love this version of Catwoman, she’s an icon. In a world of morally complicated characters and mentally ill supervillains, she’s just a rich girl who likes cats and stealing
6:49, Damn it WAS Plastic Man, him missing his iconic googles threw me off
He does have big glasses though (also, wonder if we'll get a "CC" Plastic Man in a future season?)
@@blockyuniverseproductions it's also the same voice Plas had in Brave and the Bold
@@Mightymajinand he still does A good job Love Tom Kenny's stuff.
@@blockyuniverseproductionsif we do it’ll probably be because he was taking photos of a crime and gets dumped into a vat of chemicals to cover it up
To an extent, I feel like this Selina’s behaviour stems from how her family brought her up. Like her, her father was also doing illegal actions(tax fraud) and from how it sounds she’s gotten in trouble but got out thanks to her family. From how it sounds, her father may not have been the best role model or instilled proper morals and never properly discipline her when she did immoral actions or made sure she had atleast learned her lesson. I remember this Ep of Brooklyn nine nine, Tagger where this kid that tagged stuff got away a lot because his dad was deputy police commisioner. And when talking, Jake said the kid was lucky only for holt to say he feels bad for the kid, saying he really isn’t.
“I mean what kind of a father cares so little for his son, he lets him get away with everything”.
I can imagine he could’ve been the type that made sure she had nice things and would help her out of trouble…but failed to give her the proper support and attention she really needed.
Bruce had loving parental figures who were both in his life and instilled good virtues in him and though their relationship is strained, I imagine Alfred also made sure Bruce stayed on a clean path towards his journey to becoming Batman and helps wheel him in when he’s going too far and make him reflect.
And Like you said it seems she has no mom(etheir died or left) which probably also had an affect on her upbringing, perhaps if she’s dead, that’s why she considered herself an orphan. One dead…the other wasn’t really there when it counted.
The only problem I really have with this version of Catwoman is she felt like a member of the Batman the animated series terrible trio. who in that cartoon series were three rich kids who decided they were bored of regular sports because they didn't give the same thrill anymore so they turned to a life of crime I'm because they figured nobody would be able to catch them.
The Catwoman episode pretty much establishes from what we see in her penthouse apartment that this version of Selena participate in sports and had gotten several golden trophies meaning she's basically just like the terrible trio members deciding to take on the life of crime for the thrill.
@@mrheroprimes there is a difference though- Selina in CC is pretty much flat broke and does what she does to keep herself afloat, as well as for the thrill. She also doesn't seem to mind living in a hideout slum apartment, later in the episode.
The Terrible Trio, from what we saw in their episode, were very financially secure and had plenty of money to spare. They did what they did purely for the thrill, like their hunting expeditions or globe trotting adventures. While Selina was happy with her new run down apartment, Warren 'Fox' Lawford was shocked and horrified about being shoved into a run down prison cell like any common criminal.
The Terrible Trio were far worse, in terms of their 'entitled rich brat' energy and vibes.
I love how nearly every version of Selina starts off as a selfish thief who is just a criminal for the simple fact that she loves the thrill of the chase but in most versions she grows as a character and becomes somewhat noble and willing to help others im looking forward to seeing what the future holds for this version of Selina
It's a nice way of tying into the whole "Anti-hero" mirror where Batman is a good guy with good ends to the means, his means often make him look like at best a vigilante and at worst, an anti-hero. Catwoman is more like a villain turned anti-villain, where she steals for the thrill, but often finds herself on the right side of justice. as time goes on. Given this was the first episode to show her and they effectively all but broke her down to nothing, and how prominent of a character Catwoman is in media, it's likely she will slowly see her petty theft turn to her own kind of vengence before turning into something of a genuine respect/romance for Batman. Not uncommon for the "Villain slowly and reluctantly turned hero" trope, especially since unlike Penguin, who never really had a formal lore to tether him (or her in this case) beyond being a wealthy suiter who uses the glitz to hide a powerful criminal underworld, Catwoman, much like Two face and Joker, are pretty well established and have certain rules that people just expect cause of thier notoriety.
In BTAS, she started off as somewhat of an anti-villain in the sense that she had noble goals(protecting feline wildlife) but used criminality to achieve them but later on embraced the criminal identity as her true passion.
Batman TAS Selina never really stopped being a selfish ass.
If anything she actually worse over time.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 your not wrong but like I said it depends what universe we are talking about. In the DCAU she was selfish and despite being a criminal she showed on numerous occasions even later on that she is not evil and has good in her when she helps Batman from time to time but mostly because there is something in it for herself so yeah, but in universes such as Arkham or Telltale despite remaining a thief in both universes she showed her noble and caring side on numerous occasions especially when in Telltale she learned that Batman is Bruce Wayne she kept his secret and depending on the choices you make in game she can become one of his closest allies
"Guard Said Thief Smelled Nice."
Yep, this is a Bruce Timm show alright.
That’s a joke not a fetish thing…
@@Victor-qx3vx It can easily be both
I really quite enjoyed the episode Kiss of the Catwoman. That brief but thrilling, neon-soaked chase between Batman and Catwoman across the Clowder Industries rooftop was quite the visual splendor. I also found myself relating to Greta, not so much for her patience but her approach to handling bills - exquisite! 🚮
Let's just hope the cruise she goes on doesn't involve the Iceberg Lounge...
I still think the true moral of this episode was "Godamnit Alfred, THERAPY! The boy just needed some FUCKING THERAPY!"
Unfortunate that as of the time period "Therapy" meant "Cocaine"
Right? And I especially love how he took orders from a ten year old, helping him become a costumed vigilante risking his life to put criminals away. A ten year old.
@@WobblesandBeangotta get those child soldiers fit early
I like this catwoman, show parallel to Bruce but her story got tragic. I still think she was using her adopted father money
At 9:02 you see one of my favorite, blink and you miss it, jokes in the series
Selina and Bats are running in front of the huge neon sign of
"CLOWDER INDUSTRIES"
A "Clowder" is what you call a group of cats 🐈 😊
I enjoyed this Catwoman. A lot of discussions are comparing this origin and her more popular origin of coming from poverty, and while not as interesting, it's fun and does have something to say about class disparity.
It's a nice, refreshing take on Catwoman. I wonder if she'll end up like other iterations in later seasons.
You have to wonder how she’ll react to being penniless when she gets out of prison…
@@SerumLakePenny-less, more like.
Honestly, probably one of my favorite takes on Catwoman that I’ve seen in a while. She’s up there with her DCAU interpretation and the version of her from The Batman (2004)
Definitely like the idea that “The Appearance of One, will inspire another” origin for Selina becoming the costumed themed thief Catwoman and that she already has some developed skills at acrobatics by the trophies in her room.
I do have to add cat woman is not a “thief” she’s more of a sneaky thief she’s jumps from buildings to buildings while being so silent doing it, she dose not give any other cares for anybody else expect her and it fits her 100%. Shes more of a get the jewellery and other things and get out sneakily and she does it and in the day in the Wayne museum she really got under Bruce’s skin as we can tell from 2:54 he really took offence and I respect that she does not give a hell about anybody’s feelings nor their family oh boy just wait until they bring bane in this will be fun.
When I was watching this episode it finally clicked when Catwoman showed up in the Catmobile after mimicking Batman so much
She's a Copycat!
1:12 I didn't know Batman was freaky like that
Speaking of iconic characters in this series who are always adapted, I thought Batman being slightly rash in his decision making was a nice change of pace of him either usually in the right when he needs to be or completely flawed hero, which the fact that we see have to learn how bad even the most smallest and noble decisions can go wrong l, which is a nice arc for the first season and this episode specifically, it makes me hope if we get a season 2 that it will have Batman think a lot more before he commits to something to prevent something similar to the finale from happening again.
Glad I'm not the only who felt their chemistry was overstated. Of she appears in S2, maybe we'll see more of that element.
Also, I like that Eel O'Brien tried to be flexible with Batman. Eh? Ehh? EHHH??? Literally though, he was bent over backward.
Shout out to My girl Greta. Best woman right there
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So I guess it’s too early to say that Helena Wayne may not appear in later seasons.
Firebug here is probably a mixture of Firefly and Victor Zsasz as Zsasz kills people because he thinks they’re zombies and Firebug sees fire everywhere
0:53 if someone stole any of my buckers I'd go all John Wick on them.
Catwoman has the Potential to be better Person after Experiencing the Life of Commoner.
I couldn't get enough of this show.Can't wait for season 2 of the Caped Crusader.
I know what you mean. The night I first watched this I had only intended to watch the first two episodes and I ended up watching the whole season. It was like a new book I just couldn't put down.
I hope O’Brien comes back next season cause I find his character pretty enjoyable
6:04 After a rewatch, I think the episode gave some subtle hints that Batman feels something for Selina.
- When she kissed him, he hesitates for moment and the way he said "enough" sound like he was giving in to her advance.
- When Batman saved her, he teand Selina's wound leg (nice reference to their first meeting in the comics btw), very slowly for someone who acts he doesn't feel love or lust. He gets only when Selina is about to imply there's something between them.
I think Bruce is attract to Selina, despite her flaws, but, as established in this same episode, he doesn't know how handle these emotions, choosing to repress them and acting cold and dismissive towards others, including Alfred.
that's a fair take
Nice analysis! I’ll rewatch it with that in mind.
feel like this was the strongest episode of the season, good characterization, get to see more of Bruce explored, Selina is a fun character, and sets up future episodes well
As a fan of Catwoman, I think it's cool that they introduced the golden age version of her. I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with Catwoman in season 2.
Caped Crusader’s Catwoman gives me massive callbacks to Post-Crisis Catwoman, where she was inspired by Batman’s vigilantism (in ‘Batman: Year One’) and the idea for the “thrill of the chase” and becomes a thief.
Similarly in Caped Crusader, she develops a costumed alias after seeing the Newspaper sketch of Batman, which I think is a nice connection.
5:55 That obsession was definitely meant to be about the crusade instead of romantic.
Still, I didn’t feel it was properly developed. If Catwoman had more episodes to shine that’d have been better shown for sure.
That said I like a more villainous and self-centered Catwoman. She was a fun addition to Caped Crusader’s rogues gallery.
one of my favorite things about batman is the psychological aspect to every character, and i love how you analyze that in every video, keep cooking man, your awesome
Catwoman was the character I was most looking forward to seeing in the show and I was not disappointed at all. I make no secret of the fact that I don't hold BTAS Catwoman in terribly high regard and I find that depiction of Catwoman to be hardly memorable or compelling. However, while I've had my apprehensions for the show before its debut, I was actually fairly confident that I was going to enjoy Caped Crusader's Catwoman quite a bit more by the way they talked about her and honestly I feel like Bruce Timm got a better handle on Catwoman already in TNBA so I was actually quite optimistic. I felt they struck a perfect balance of showcasing her playfulness and kleptomania as well as the thrill she gets whenever Batman chases her.
And another thing that I absolutely loved about Catwoman was how perfectly they showed in the beginning that she was clearly taking an actual interest in Bruce Wayne because Selina Kyle being interested in both Bruce and Batman has always been a staple of the character in the comics and I consider very essential that BTAS ignored. And my God, Christina Ricci was so amazing. I can't wait to see more of her as Catwoman. Although I still would say that the best animated Catwoman is the one voiced by Gina Gershon in The Batman. Catwoman in The Batman felt ripped straight from the Jim Balent run.
Honestly, these essays are really making me hope this series gets a season 2.
They're working on Season 2 as we speak!
Let's hope they work on the flaws of S1
A detail I liked was that to the modern eye Catwoman's throwback costume, as well as being golden-age appropriate, is pretty obviously impractical, and that gets paid off. Bullock almost catches her by grabbing her cape, and her high heels are shown as the reason she falls from the building and needs to be saved by Batman. Nothing for how she was leaving her fingerprints all over the place, don't know if that technology exists in the setting yet.
I enjoyed this depiction of Catwoman as a complex character who embodies a blend of charm and sophistication while also exhibiting a playful yet morally ambiguous nature. It recalls her earlier representation in _Batman Returns,_ where she navigates the fine line between allure and instability, which in turn aligns with a recurring theme in Bruce Timm's work: even characters who appear dignified and high-society, like Catwoman, can possess underlying complexities and vulnerabilities, reflecting how anyone-regardless of their outward appearance-can be susceptible to darker impulses.
It did remind me of those stories in which Catwoman is in it more for the thrill than for what she was stealing.
In these stories, when the robbery wasn’t challenging enough she’d give the thing back and try to steal it again just to see if she could pull it off again now that the security/police/Batman were aware of her.
Lmao no way u called this version complex
Not that there's anything wrong with being a good person really out for social justice a la the current Selina, but having an amoral version out for money and thrills again was delightfully different.
@@paultapner2769 Since when is Catwoman a good person out for social justice?
Kinda like Black Cat from the infamous 2017 Spiderman cartoon, who's also an unrepentant thief. Unlike Catwoman, all of Felicia's character development in the comics is completely ignored. Which explains why she acted more like an enemy to Spidey than one of his love interests and trusted allies. Sure, she has bad luck powers in the comics, but not very often, thanks to Dr. Strange, who removed them from her.
*(sighs)* Wish we never got that lackluster cartoon. What anyone would do so to either revive The Spectacular Spider-Man or do a Spider-Man '98...
This Catwoman has so much audacity.
I hope we see this O'Brian becomes plastic man in S2 or 3
I kinda like him as a slippery paparazzi
@@SerumLake I like him honestly as both, I they could have a character arc where he dips into more criminal activities spying on the mob or something, and end up falling in the substance that turns him into plastic man, and batman has to teach him restraint with his abilities
Cool, always had a thing for Catwoman.
Can I just say that Greta is a ray of sunshine.
She knows her rights as an employee. Quit just when the assets in sight equalled her owed back pay.
The Clowder Industries sign is adorable. A group of cats is called a "clowder".
Awesome!😊🤗🫂
Funnies thing about this episode is after Batman catches and handcuffs catwoman to table, it looks like thous handcuffs are barely even holding her. Just lift the table and shes free to escape again. (8:00)
This came out on my birthday 🎉 Thank you for the neat coincidence, and have a great day.😊
Belated happy birthday!
Maybe for season 2 Catwoman after spending time in jail, realize that she needs to learn to survive Or be destroyed So in prison, she learns the skills that she needs and when she gets out for good behavior, she becomes a Criminal mastermind committing crimes and having her own gang of criminals. like the kingpin
I like the idea of her and Penguin interacting in prison…
Checked Google, and it says that good conduct time, i.e. "time off for good behavior", was introduced in 1850 and was incorporated in 46 states by 1910, so that checks out
She could begin to create her own gang of thieves (including her sidekick from the comics Holly Robinson) at same time Batman begins to create his bat-family (or to work more often with others like Gordon and Barbara), once again showing Selina as dark reflection of Bruce.
Even if the next one focuses more on Firebug, I really want to see the analysis on Bullock and Flass. When it comes to Harvey Bullock, this is the most evil version of the character I've ever seen.
Your wish is my command 🙇♂️
I would say Flass is worse. Bullock comes off more as dumb brute who follows Flass ideas.
@@alexandrefrauches132 Flass is worse, but no other version of Bullock was THIS corrupt. Not that I know of, at least.
It's interesting to see this version of Catwoman that doesn't have the upper hand on Batman. While she is basically a rich girl who has never been told no her entire life this episode was very fun. Even the ending was pretty good with the maid selling all of Selina's possessions. It feels reminiscent of older shows and you normally wouldn't see that on tv nowadays.
This helps to strenght the parallell between her and Batman not only in personality (both rich people who are dismissive of close allies)but also on skills. While Batman has more experience than Selina, as showed in episodes like The Penguin and Harley Quinn, he's not perfect, he can make mistake and still learning from his experiences.
In terms of potential love interests for CC’s Batman, I think they can do better than this version of CatWoman. For now I’m more interested in seeing how Bruce may interact with some of the other ladies from the comics.
Seen how Selina takes inspirations from Batman and how next season he will most likely begin to work with others (like Gordon and Barbara), I think she could follow a similar path in the following seasons, creating her own gang of thieves (maybe even meeting Holy Robinson, her sidekick from the comics).
Also, since Bruce Timm is clear a fan of the 70's/80's Batman comics (as proven by BTAS episodes like "The Laughting Fish" and "The Strange Secret of Bruce Wayne"), I could see he using Selina's return to adapt the Len Wein run, in which Selina tries to reform and begin to do business with Wayne Enterprise, resulting in her and Bruce beginning a relationship.
In the show this could fit with Batman's arc about becoming more and compassinate and empathetic . In this case he could begin to use his company to help criminals to reform and offer them a second chance. Selina could be the one to put this idea to test, with Bruce having doubts but choosing to not reject Selina so he can keep an eye on her and see if her intentions are truth.
Much like in the comics, he and Selina could become close, adding more drama to the situation, with Bruce dealing with the fact he has feelings to a criminal while Selina is now in conflict about continue her reformed life or going back to be a criminal, betraying the trust of Bruce.
Sounds plausible!
@@alexandrefrauches132 Batman is already sympathetic in the show, that's why he goes out of his way to save people.
@@Rengokuo4o6 Sort of. Batman is bit more cold then previous ones, as we can see in how he treated Alfred in the beginning. But, through the season we do see him slowly showing his compassion.
It's very likely that season 2, he will show more of this side of him, both as Batman but also as Bruce Wayne, taking a more active role in trying to make Gotham a better place.
@@alexandrefrauches132 Bruce Wayne making gotham a better place is redundant and stupid. Batman is what Gotham needs.
@@Rengokuo4o6 They are both important identities that allow Bruce to make a difference in Gotham.
As Batman he fights crime and bring criminals to justice, either by showing the error of their ways or, if that doesn't work, he arrests them one way or another. As Bruce Wayne, he uses his company and it's resources to try to improve Gotham's living conditions, by buying companies and offering well-paid jobs, paying for free health care in crime alley and fund halfway houses for his enemies who are trying to reform.
Through this actions he can help people both in and out of costume and inspire them to be kind and help people bc it's right thing to do. Plus, much like his actions as Batman show to the citizen there's is someone fighting corruption, his actions as Bruce Wayne help to show peope that not all rich guys in Gotham are greedy and selfish like Rolland Dagget.
I was in stitches at the angry face Selina made after Greta literally cut her loose over the phone. And her outrage: "That little crook!" "Pot, Kettle!" I exclaimed, when I watched it for the first time.
I definitely want to see more of her though. There is potential for character development - maybe into a more positive direction, now that she has to learn the harsh realities of Gotham from a previously carefree mindset?
I think firefly even for a one of villain felt quite unhinged as well it really showed even if he didn’t look like harmless he was incredibly dangerous
omg your videos teach me more about dc i love you chanel dud
Glad you’re enjoying the videos!
I knew I loved your videos for a reason as you offer a new perspective that I had not seen despite watching the episode twice. That said the episode overall still felt quite disappointing.
The connection between Batman and Catwoman felt lacking (Not in the romantic sense). The beauty of Batman is the dynamic he has against his rouges gallery. Every villain brings something different and unique to the table. This version of Catwoman could almost be replaced with a common crook given how quickly Batman is able to dispatch of her. Even in the 40s comics Catwoman was very crafty despite being outmatched by Batman. The courtroom scene also irks me as well as there were two eye witness watching her flee from the jewelry store, cops mind you, and that still wasn't enough to convict her on top all while having a past criminal record. The episode ultimately felt very predictable and very flat, I guess i was expecting much more.
However I very much did enjoy the video, I feel that it is important to listen to many different perspectives to generally understand a narrative within the community, below is a link to that creator. It also leads me to ponder if the creators had difficulty choosing a story from the 40s because her character is somewhat shallow then, if so they could've also taken stories from the 70s where she is much more developed by then and her outfit is almost identical to that of the 40s.
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That’s very kind of you to use the thanks button, even if you didn’t enjoy Kiss of the Catwoman as much as I did. I always say that the world would be a boring place if we all felt the same way about everything!
Plasticman?! Guess this is earlier in the timeline before he got his metagene activated.
Catwalk/selena is paris hilton in a mask.
after inflation, people now relate to the villains who soul motion is money
That makes no sense
@@jordanloux3883honey, you'll understand once your old enough.
@@user-ee6lk1pb6w No, I mean that these characters came out during THE GREAT DEPRESSION and even then they knew who the good guys and the bad guys were
Of course Money is life and Everything is always about money.
When we first saw Eel, I bolted and shouted "That's fuckin Plastic Man!" I was way more excited for him than anything else this episode
The episodes from “Caped Crusader” almost seem like cautionary tales to Batman/Bruce Wayne. Gentlemen Ghost is what happens to those who who are blinded by wealth and privilege, Catwoman is an example of those who don’t care about the other people in their life, and Clayface is a monster born out of anaminity.
And then there’s his best pal, Harvey Dent…
The rogues also act as dark reflection of Batman's character arc, who at beginning is just a dark vigilante who acts cold and dismissive towards others. The difference is that Batman actually realizes his mistake and becomes more empathetic and respectfull towards others. The rogues, on other hand, refuse to change their arrogant and self-entitle attitude until finally they suffered the consequences of their actions. Catwoman and Harvey Dent being the two biggest exemples.
@@SerumLake
Indeed, in fact a lot of what Batman does are things he learned from Harvey. Batman did admit he used interrogation techniques that Harvey used as D.A. and I would venture that a lot of the personality traits of his Bruce Wayne persona are based on how Harvey Dent acted.
For as much “WOKE” talk there is around the new Batman series, it still retains that same glamour that the original did in it’s aesthetic! And Selina is an excellent example of this!
I swear I gotta get into this series when season 1 finishes
Season One is done, all 10 episodes are on Prime right now
Go ahead, sir/ma'am.
Honestly, was surprised they made the photographer Eel O'Brian instead of Jack Ryder, considering Jack was part of the news media in the comics.
Jack Ryder is the TV reporter seen at the start of episode 4, asking the people what they think about “The Bat-Man”
This is one of those times I think it would have worked better if they had spread out Catwoman over several episodes (much like the Penguin) and then they do a full catwoman episode cause this version felt very rushed and then thrown away once they were done with her
I love how absolutely done with Selina's bull crap everyone is. Batman's tired of it, the police are tired of it, especially her maid is tired of it. Just hilarious.
Her extreme abuse of pretty privelege...
And then there's Batman saying she'll come back. Guess the bull will break more china as time goes on.
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She's just not a good character
In this, she could easily be
written out, Catwoman is
supposed to be somewhat
Likeable, she's just unlikeable
in this show.
I love her
Flass may be a bent cop and a cold blooded murderer, but maaaaan he's a sharp dresser
One thing I don't like about Batman: Caped Crusader, is that all the villains get wrapped up a bit TOO nicely. Like, how are we going to see some of these villains again, later in the show? Most have either gone to jail, or have been killed. Selina might not be in jail for long (I'm not sure how long petty thievery will keep you in the slammer); but still, how is she going to come back from this? How are ANY of the villain, who have done worse in the show (like the Penguin or Clayface) going to come back?!
Are they going to break out? Are we going to see them WAY latter in the series (like season 3 or so)? How do we/do we even put them in Arkham Asylum (I know we have that in the show)?! I have so many questions, that aren't going to get answers, until later 🥲
@@lisafaber3422 you mean the argument of "he is indirectly killing innocent people by not killing criminals" is made redundant and non-existent because the villians don't come back. There will be no debate of his no kill rule now and people can finally shut up about it.
I take it as something to appreciate that the years led me to appreciate characters like Bullock now that I'm older. I am thankful that in my life I never had to face any of the crap he has to deal with as someone in his line of work in a city as batshit [all the puns intended] intended but reality can be a strange pusher of strange outcomes.
9:00 I disagree. It wasn't her costumed shenanigans that cost her her fortune. It was her callous treatment of "the help" and not paying Greta for 3 years that ended up costing her everything. That's another pretty clear juxtaposition between Selena and Bruce. Alfred gets paid on time! And, of course, Bruce treats him like a human being, not property. Bruce never takes Alfred for granted.
I do like that they didn't play up the romantic angle. I think you are right. Batman is more annoyed at catwoman. Which is a more realistic reaction. Plus I love what Greta did at the end.
this one my fav ep beacuse t was light breath of air that was needed
and i enjoy the playfully bratty engery of this cat woman
Bruce Timm, please don't let anything bad happen to Eel O'brian. Please. Except *_maybe_* falling into a vat of chemicals and becoming Plastic Man, I would love to see what Caped Crusader does with Plastic Man, even if he's only around for like a single episode and fucks off.
I love your videos
I like this catwoman, another inversion of the normal charecter.
It could also be the start ofnher becoming the more noble catwoman, now that she will be destitute once released from prison.
Tv shows always failed in giving character development to catwoman or show her as how she evolved over the decades(i know animated series tried to but it was a mess of direction between warner animation and bruce timm). Only the movies show more than just the thief, they accept her as batman best relation and a complex character with a dark origin. I hope she gets character development in the next seasons, but as far as i can tell, she is not aloud to get many episodes or become an integral side character in a batman series. Is like if mary jane had 5 episodes in a spiderman series and doesn't go beyond some flirting with spiderman.
they didn't try, it's shit
I don't know, I wasn't too fond of Anne Hathaway's take in The Dark Knight Rises.
Am fond of Batman Returns' take though.
@@michaelandreipalon359 i was refering not just about the live action movies but also the animated ones like hush and long halloween that did justice to their relationship
@@anakinskywalker2142 A pity Hush feels rushed, while The Long Halloween just had to be a Tomorrowverse tale, not a proper standalone a la Under the Red Hood.
@@michaelandreipalon359 i consider it a standalone, just ignore the post credit scene from part 2
Good video.
Not much to this episode (it's pretty shallow), but in a weird way, it still kinda worked. The simplicity of Catwoman has always been my preferred version. However, if anything was fascinating, it was seeing the corrupt cops actually trying to do their jobs for once, and getting humiliated for it. So they respond by being corrupt again.
Tator tot! I love it! So funny!
I almost feel like the idea of Batman being obsessed with catwoman and that he wants to put her behind bars to stop thinking about her. Was written by Selena herself as she seems to gleefully self ship with Batman while Batman has none of it
The only issue I really had with this version of Catwoman is that she reminded me of the BTAS terrible trio. Considering in Batman the animated series the terrible trio were three rich kids who had grown bored with that pursuits that most rich guys get into big-game hunting, treasure hunts and deep-sea diving. They were bored with these pursuits and decided to turn to a life of Crime the thrill of the Chase as it were and trying not to get caught.
We see the exact same thing with Batman cape Crusader Selena Kyle It's made pretty clear that she was really skilled in women's sports considering the trophy cabinet, That was in her penthouse apartment Upon learning about the Batman she decides to turn to a life of crime for the thrill of the Chase And being a rich kid she probably figured she was untouchable by the law.
A key detail you skipped is "you have toys." She assumed Bats would fight her with hand to hand combat (AKA get physical with her).
Another key detail is in episode 4 and 10 (both written by Ed. B) Flass made sure Bullock did all the dirty work. In this episode he just shoots Catwoman. Either this is a writer miscommunication Harvery and I are wrong about Flass, or Catwoman just made him that mad.
I disagree about wanting to see more of her. I like this version, but there are many other villains with more depth like Natalia I am way more interested in season 2 devoting time to.
I like Catwoman's original Golden Age costume, but only as a casual costume she'd wear on her downtime in the lair with the henchmen. As a costume she'd wear burglaring, it looks silly, especially in motion; I keep expecting the skirt of her dress to get snagged on something and her heels to trip her up or break. They should've used Catwoman's initial Silver Age costume instead; it's essentially the Golden Age costume but with pants.
This version of Catwoman is kinda classy in a way
No, she's just G rated.
I wonder if they will make Talia, Bruce's main love interest and be the one to break down Bruce's walls
But with her loyalty to her father, Ra's al Ghul, it would be bittersweet.
I’m sad plastic man mostly has fairly short scenes in comics and shows. I’ve been begging for more Plastic Man and this would be the perfect chance! They could even make him still work as a reporter in his daily life, but have plastic man appear to stop criminals here and there. With his goggle and red theme, his identity would still be secret. Well, as secret as most hero’s secret identities are lol.
Please do Harley Quinn next
I'm going in episode order, so Firebug is next week, and Harley is the week after that. Currently writing that script, and will be editing the video this week!
Great
I love the simplicty of this cat-woman, that she is just the anti batman, to compare and contrast with our hero
I have one very important question though: Where the hell did she get a panther?!
eBay
Yaa Salina very much blend thrill seeker ,A cleptomaniac also having ,eventual loves developed a care for animals .So her goals being be rich ,have cat themed collection ,get thrill of robbing ,and help animals .
Catwoman what's not to love about our iconic cat Batman rogue. She is one of my top 5 Batman's Rogues. In my opinion, she is the perfect foil and villainous version opposite of Bruce Wayne aka Batman. Selina Kyle isn't pure insane like The Joker or tragically sad like Mr. Freeze. Unlike Batman, Catwoman has the freedom to steal and cheat for herself. She does it for fun and she does have similairites to Batman but while Batman wants to help Catwoman wants to steal.
This iteration of Selina while not interesting I did enjoy how she was basically a thrill seeker turn eleven. She didn't needed a tragic backstory as unlike Bruce who's trauma resulted in him trying to fix Gotham. Selina doesn't care she's taking away things for herself. Also I love Greta and her dynamic with Selina mirrors to Bruce and Alfrd yet opposite. Not only are both of them alone with no family, they only have a waitress by their side and have rich personas. But unlike Bruce, Selina only cares for her selfishness and besides cats she represents how the rich in this version of Gotham thrive.
I enjoyed how Selina is what Bruce could've been had he became more selfish. If he became more horrible by getting what he wants rather than what he needs. Unpopular opinion but I'm not a big fan of Catwoman in BTAS. Yes I did enjoyed her episodes but for me out of all the BTAS rogues she didn't reach her potential. At least BTAS Catwoman wasn't a literal laughingstock like how BTAS treated Bane.
Overall my favorite Catwoman iteration is probably Injustice or her solo comic story. In my opinion while the former gives me conplicated feelings those versions are for me the best iterations of Catwoman in my opinion. While Catwoman here isn't my favorite iteration I think she's enjoyable and I hope to see more of this Caped Crusader adaption.
Have you saw doug Walker review ofnthe show ? Did you think he was too harsh on it and unfair to compare to x men 97?
I haven’t seen it, and he’s more than entitled to his opinion. I can see why someone might compare the two, but they’re very different products. I loved X-Men 97, it was a revival of an old show with modern tech. Caped Crusader is a fresh start and reimagining of some of the ideas Bruce Timm had decades ago.
If you’re coming in to Caped Crusader expecting it to be more episodes of BTAS then I can see why you might be disappointed, because it really isn’t that similar at all.