Glad to see Tonewinner getting some more attention on TH-cam, great video brother. Lol, I have to agree on the looks, that is one thing that struck me when I reviewed these. The build quality is absolutely stellar, regardless of price point.
Yeah I'm slow to update. Trying to get the last few parts of the new house done. The amps are in and working flawlessly! I'll have an update video soon.
Man u talked me into a pair of these. My gf was like why? I hooked it up and she was Ted from 'Bill and Ted' 'Woah!' We were both mesmerized by the meter. Very solid. Work of art! You and Speck of Tech put me over the edge. Thank you!
Riiiiiiiighht. Because you are a real person right? Because real people would see this video and then buy TWO seven channel amps that have no warranty from a company nobodys ever heard of 🤣🤣
2-3k dollars later and you are wowed by the METER 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 btw what is that very special meter even telling you? because its a seven channel amp with one meter 🤯🤯🤯
@@edithboozy1000 Thanks I needed a laugh today. I see you have been on TH-cam since 2017 and you call me fake smh. I'm currently running a 5.2.4(o god over 7 channels what am I goito do?) upgrading to a 7.2.6. You may not of heard of them but, they used to construct amps for a little company Emotiva. Do your research before you try to start calling people out.
Nice to finally see a channel covering tone winner on TH-cam. I am curious to see how their products shake out. I have heard that they use the same OEM manufacturers as emotiva, at least forThere processor.
@@TheFrugalAudiophile yes they do Jade design. The owner of Emotiva sells the OEM designs to Tonewinner. And in turn Tonewinner produces the main components for Emotiva.
Any idea when your official review for this amp will come out? Been needing an amp for several months but have been waiting on your review of this amp before I decide to go with this or something else....it has be intrigued.
I've been going back and forth between this and the Monoprice monolith 7x200. For the extra near $500 for the Monoprice I was wondering if it was worth it so this made it a bit easier. Thank you
I was aware of that, but for most people that won't come into play unless they are close in price or sound/build quality is vastly different. For me and a lot of others it comes down to price vs performance and for that the tonewinner is hard to beat. I bought one a month after posting and i have been extremely happy. The tonewinner is a beast that sounds great and is built like a tank. I have had zero issues and it has driven my mix of 8 and 4ohm speakers perfectly. So for a $500+ price difference at the time of purchase i personally would not go back and do it over because one is built by ati and the other is not but to each their own.
@Billy Bobby and you can hear a major difference because of that? No is the answer. Like i said that stuff doesn't justify a 500 to 600 dollar bump in price to me and most others if that's a huge deal to you go for it dude to each their own. And most say tonewinner is a brother to emotiva so it's not junk no name stuff
@@brianhorrorfan you may not hear the difference but if one uses cheap caps that could end badly plus more regular servicing. I have understanding of electronics. Early emotivas used cheap components under species for the job...tonewinner was the OEM..I have a tonewinner av pre
Great video, have you had an opportunity to test out your new Tonewinner yet? I am considering one of these for the bed layer on my 7.2.4 setup using a Denon 4700H.
When will you be doing a actual review of the product....apparently the 7200 amp you could hear a hiss coming from the speakers with nothing playing according to Spec of Tech...when I talked to AAmir he said that this was taken care of with the new model (7300) so will be interesting to know from you if you have this problem...as i am lookin to buying one Thanks and also do you know of any discount code for Canada? again Thanks
Great video, Amir is amazing to work with. Tonewinner is on my shortlist for amps when I am at the point to pull the trigger. Buckeye is a company I just ran across that look like make some solid amps and excellent prices as well. Can't wait for the review and demos
@@hometheatergurus Great vid, it does look surprisingly good, impressive be interested in your thoughts of sound? Is the amp multi voltage 110v-230v can't wait to see your comparison with Anthem over their controller! Love your content deepest respect.
I think this amp is awesome. Looks and sounds amazing. Pleasantly surprised. Also Aamir is excellent to deal with. I'm waiting for my tone winner d600 sub. Which is supposed to be awesome as well. Then the at-300 prosesser is my next purchase. I had a lot of quality amps. But this one is my favorite. Noticeable difference.
I'll be doing a full review in a month or so. So far they're working like Champs and the room is incredible. From the way they're performing, I personally don't see any reason to spend a penny more.
@@hometheatergurus Guru, is the midrange full and luscious during music listening? I really hope it doesn't have that thin/recessed crap midrange that class D amps tend to have.
I had the monoprice 5x200 class AB and returned it. It may be ok for movies, but, it just doesn't have the fidelity for music listening in comparison to a couple of my hifi amps. I am curious about this tonewinner as well.
great review. I do believe that audio equipment, whether is speakers or amps or receivers, there is an aesthetic quality that is to be considered. I don't know any audio enthusiast that hides the equipment. It should be displayed and tower speakers need to look good in the room as they are a prominent feature. I use a vintage Onkyo M504 as my two channel amp and it always gets comments of praise because it looks so cool. Has large watt meter displays for each channel. Finally a modern audio company realizes this.
My cinema room is my living room so I wanted everything to look nice. My stereo power amp for my front left & right speakers has old school (non digital) VU meters. But it's a contemporary unique looking amp with veneered zebrano wood all around it. Apart from the CNC machined aluminium front and back panels.
Does or will Tonewinner make hypex based amps? Picking out HT equipment now for 7.2.4 system at 4ohms. Was looking at monolith 7ch and 5 ch class AB amps ( very heavy) and there new 8ch Hypex amps. Like the hypex based on weight. Bit this Tonewinner is sparking my interest. What's your thoughts? Second worries be HTP-1 processor or another suggestion....whew!
@@hometheatergurus I love your content. It such a non cost / big benefit feature not why pricier brands don't include the ejector lock. Even OSD Nero is including the eject ring.
Did you say you were putting one amp on top of the other??? As I am running out of room with my rack and was wondering if it would be ok to put my other amp directly on top of this Tone Winner amp ....heat issues?
I thought I heard a comment somewhere that you’re doing a 9.X.6 - how are you powering 15 channels with two 7 channel amps? Maybe I misheard! Love your videos thanks!
Awesome video as always I’ve been looking at the outlaw 7000x and this after I saw it on spec of techs channel. It’s nice to see someone else reviewing it now too.
Hit it hard and give us the skinny. If in 2 months you are still all hot for teacher I'll probably jump on one myself. 11 channel version sounds interesting... would run the whole 7.1.4!
I've had this amp for about 2 weeks now. I got it after ordering the AD-5180 and being notified it was not available. Aamir told me this amp should do at least 300 watts per channel in 4 ohms. I really wish there were 4 ohm specs on this like the AD-5180
Are they rack mountable? I have all of my sub amps currently in on and I've been thinking about getting a bigger one and moving my AVR and everything into it.
I did not catch if you mentioned it’s class of operation or not? (Im guessing class D, and not class A or AB operation, based on the spec I did catch that it will pull 1100W from a 120VAC, and it should be mentioned here also a standard 15amp residential breaker kicks off at approx 1350. (Which is also the logic in supplying 240VAC: bigger wire, higher rated breaker) Im an EE, so, I was disappointed in the power supply size & quality (after looking at the mfg’s website) and especially at the bigger brother version with (I forget now?) with either 11ch or 13ch…
Hi need your advice I have already the tonewinner PA 7 channel but if I need to connect another tonewinner power amplifier to my receiver how do I connect cause my Onkyo receiver TX RZ 830 has only 1 trigger out. Just trying to have those connections so I can power up 2 tonewinner PAs once the Onkyo is turn on. Thank You.
I did not catch if you mentioned it’s class of operation or not? (Im guessing class D, and not class A or AB operation, based on the spec I did catch that it will pull 1100W from a 120VAC, and it should be mentioned here also a standard 15amp residential breaker kicks off at approx 1350. (Which is also the logic in supplying 240VAC: bigger wire, higher rated breaker) Im an EE, so, I was disappointed in the power supply size & quality (after looking at the mfg’s website) and especially at the bigger brother version with (I forget now?) with either 11ch or 13ch… PS. The large VU meter is lovely, and obviously they are going after McIntosh with their huge blue VU’s…
Amps have transformers so the wattage at a wall doesn't have anything to do with watts from the amp. Power Amps are not outputting at 120v. Keep in mind Ohms law. Also they have caps that hold a charge.
Great video! I can not agree more with you with the Tonewinner product! I have owned 2 Tonewinner AD5180 5 ch amplifiers for over a year now, from Aamir @ Summitt Hifi. All I can say is...to this day they still impress me. They will stay in my system! I run them off a NAD M17 pre, and Legacy Classic HD's all 4ohm..tons of clean power, the amps really do the gear justice. After living with them, I can't recommend them enough. Looking forward to your thoughts with the TW 7300's, PS, get the carpet in!!! Cheers!
You'll use the supplied trigger cables and connect the trigger out on your AVR/processor to the trigger input on the amp. Once that is done when the AVR/processor is turned on the amp will come on automatically.
@@hometheatergurusHi I got only 1 trigger out from receiver but need to connect 2 tonewinner 7300 power amplifier sodo I need a splitter cable or connector will it work.
The Monolith series is NOT cheap sheet metal. It is very solid feeling all the way around. I have to assume you have never seen one in person based on your comment. Because it is flat incorrect. It does not bow in when pushed on.
@@hometheatergurus I just thought it sounded odd since I own a Monoprice and it is a rock-solid all the way around. I don't know where you got any impression that the metal is easy to push in.
tonewinner products are getting great reviews, my only gripe is the name of the company, they really should think about changing it as it just sounds cheesy, it might improve their sales.
@@hometheatergurus If the final price after taxes and fees is somewhere close to that, what I've roughly calculated , the 7300 would cost something between 2500$ and 2600$. Looks like, I have to look for a different amp 😅✌️
Your client that is a "diehard" audiophile suggesting this amp manufacturer doesn't seem correct. However, I have no hate toward the amp. I'd really like a review about it. How's it perform? Does it punch hard for it's price point? Etc...
@@hometheatergurus understood. My question was more with the diehard audiophile's decision to choose this amp. Most diehards are choosing amps in another price point.
I was pretty disappointed to see the processor has no hdmi 2.1 even though it was released in 2021. Great price point though. Thanks for introducing us to the brand
That ToneWinner Pre-Pro also is not 16-ch. They market it as 16-ch. But that's 7.3.6, not 9.1.6. And the 3 subwoofers isn't even really the case, because they aren't actually three independent subwoofer outputs. There are just three subwoofer pre-outs. So it's actually 7.1.6. It's not the equal of a Monolith HTP-1 or Emotiva XMC-2 in terms of the number of channels it can process
@@RobHFirstReflect What would you recommend for an 11 or 9 channel amp? Currently only have a 5.2.4 setup but sometime in the future might decide to go for 7 bed layer speakers.
@@thelonestranger777 if all 9 or 11 channels have to be in a single chassis, then for a 9-channel, I’d suggest the Emotiva XPA-9 Gen3. That model gives you 5 channels at around 200-250 Watts each (into 8 ohms, all channels driven) plus 4 channels at 65 Watts each, which is perfectly fine to handle the four overhead Atmos speakers. For an 11-channel, I’d probably opt for the Monoprice Monolith 11X. That gives you 3 channels at 200 Watts each, and 8 channels at 100 Watts each. As for why I say Emotiva for 9, but Monoprice Monolith for 11, it’s because the Monolith 9X costs $50 more than the Emotiva XPA-9, but it only gives 3 x 200 Watts + 6 x 100. Compare that to the 5 x ~225 + 4 x 65 of the XPA-9, and you’re simply getting more power for your floor level while paying less. Seems like the better deal. But for the 11 channel, Emotiva’s stereo modules are only 65 Watts per channel vs Monolith’s 100 Watts per channel. Granted, that’s only about 2dB extra headroom. But given that you’ll need to power the Surrounds and Surround Backs with stereo modules, it just seems like the better option to have that bit of extra Wattage on tap 😉 But all of that is moot if you’re ok with having more than one chassis. You could get a really nice, high Wattage 7-channel amp, plus a less expensive 5-channel amp to handle the overheads (and have one extra channel left over. Maybe get a Pre-Pro that does Auro-3D and use that for the Voice of God channel 😉)
I just got word Tonewinner will have an 11 channel amp soon which we should be getting in for review. If you have an avr you can save money just letting the separate amp run the bed layer. This gives more power available to the atmos as the avr doesn't have to run the bed layer.
@@hometheatergurus You aren't understanding my point. They list all channels driven.......BUT NOT THE SPEC OF ALL CHANNELS DRIVEN AT FULL BANDWIDTH. In other words they're fluffing the numbers. Music and movies are essentially from 20 Hertz to 20 khz so why not provide that spec? I'm bringing this up because you are touting the wattage but it is fluffed-up wattage
Glad to see Tonewinner stepping out from behind the shadow of Emotiva, and instead of building stuff for Emotiva they are selling it under their own brand label for less. Would love to see some bench test measurements of how cleanly it outputs what is put into it. Certainly from the marketing specs, it looks impressive. I do have a bone to pick with their marketing for their processor, since several of the channels are just duplicated mono outputs for subwoofers, bumping up the apparent channel output but not offering things like individually adjustable output for each subwoofer.....so really one still needs a miniDSP, and the redundant subwoofer output channels, while nice for marketing, don't give you anything a single subwoofer output wouldn't give you if you are trying to do proper time and gain alignment.
Honestly all processors need a minidsp. None are really good at aligning multiple subs and I know of many Trinov rooms that have minidsp, qsc dsp etc used to align the subs. This allows the processor to see one sub and takes alignment out of its hands. So the one sub out isn't really an issue as sub 2 out almost always goes or should go Unused. But I agree it's better to just have one sub out than two paralleled. Not everyone will know its not attempting to align dual subs. I plan to align it all manually anyways and see what it can do.
@@hometheatergurus I will be eager to see your review. I agree that miniDSP type setup is critical for almost every processor. My "beef" is: They call it a 16 channel pre pro, but it's really just 14 since three of the outputs they are counting are just the mono sub output, repeated. I hope that's the only place they are cutting corners, though, because it could be a unique alternative.
The AT300 sub outs are semi-independent. Even though the xover is shared with 3 outs, all 3 have separate EQ settings and delays including highpass cutoff. So in effect it's separate. Moreover multi subs are calibrated or aligned to each other to work like a single sub, so separate subs is not a big thing. Most important is the wide channels or 6 Atmos at this price range along with XLRs
@@anoopht9588 sure but that is not usually considered in the channel count. For example, it you look at Denon, ARcam, Marantz, Anthem, they don't call those additional subwoofer outputs, even when independent from one another, additional channels, whereas Tonewinner marketing conflates additional sub channel outputs with speaker channel outputs.
So far it's performing fabulous. We watched the first show in there last night. Lost in space season 3. I'll be hammering on the amps over the next few weeks.
Thanks bro! That makes me feel all warm and tingly. I'm glad you pay more attention to that than the content. You care a lot more than I do about impressive lighting.. 😁
Glad to see Tonewinner getting some more attention on TH-cam, great video brother. Lol, I have to agree on the looks, that is one thing that struck me when I reviewed these. The build quality is absolutely stellar, regardless of price point.
Thanks Bro! Yeah the materials used are just ridiculous and isn't' seen anywhere near this price point.
@@hometheatergurus How would you describe it's sound signature?
@@wa2368 Cheap, chinese
@@hometheatergurus Which materials? Like metal? lmfaooooo
@@edithboozy1000 Throw away your cheap chinese computer, chinese made shows, chinese made clothes etc and dance around naked.
Great amps i have been using one for over 5 years now and still love it. Summit Hi Fi was awesome to deal with
Sure you have Darren
Other companies should note that the meter a very loved feature
It does give it a very unique look.
Any update on this? Id lke to hear more you left us hanging!!
Yeah I'm slow to update. Trying to get the last few parts of the new house done.
The amps are in and working flawlessly! I'll have an update video soon.
Still looking forward to you checking out the Tonewinner AT-300 processor.
Man u talked me into a pair of these. My gf was like why? I hooked it up and she was Ted from 'Bill and Ted' 'Woah!' We were both mesmerized by the meter. Very solid. Work of art! You and Speck of Tech put me over the edge. Thank you!
Haha.. Yes its hard to get across in a video just how nice looking this amp is. I did the bill and Ted as well.. 😁.
Riiiiiiiighht. Because you are a real person right? Because real people would see this video and then buy TWO seven channel amps that have no warranty from a company nobodys ever heard of 🤣🤣
2-3k dollars later and you are wowed by the METER 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 btw what is that very special meter even telling you? because its a seven channel amp with one meter 🤯🤯🤯
@@edithboozy1000 it's a cool looking piece of gear. There's nothing wrong with appreciating that. And if you spend 3k, you bought two of them.
@@edithboozy1000 Thanks I needed a laugh today. I see you have been on TH-cam since 2017 and you call me fake smh. I'm currently running a 5.2.4(o god over 7 channels what am I goito do?) upgrading to a 7.2.6. You may not of heard of them but, they used to construct amps for a little company Emotiva. Do your research before you try to start calling people out.
Wow! - One of the prettiest amps I have EVER seen - Looks like it has "the goods" to back it up too. - Thanks!
Nice to finally see a channel covering tone winner on TH-cam. I am curious to see how their products shake out. I have heard that they use the same OEM manufacturers as emotiva, at least forThere processor.
As far as i know they also produce or produced the XPA power amps.
They aren't affiliated with any other amplifier company. The are entirely their own company.
Spec of Tech's TH-cam chann reviewed this as well as a few other Tonewinner products as well.
@@hometheatergurus I thought that Tone Winner and Emotiva used some of the same OEM parts. I have heard and read that their share similar internals.
@@TheFrugalAudiophile yes they do Jade design. The owner of Emotiva sells the OEM designs to Tonewinner.
And in turn Tonewinner produces the main components for Emotiva.
Just waiting to hear your input on these amps ...yeah or nay? Thanks!
Definitely a huge yeah!
@@hometheatergurus ok thanks !
Teo would look amazing!!!
Love It! Truly helpful!
Any idea when your official review for this amp will come out? Been needing an amp for several months but have been waiting on your review of this amp before I decide to go with this or something else....it has be intrigued.
They have been doing fantastic. No issues what so ever.
@@hometheatergurus Great, glad to hear it.
I've been going back and forth between this and the Monoprice monolith 7x200. For the extra near $500 for the Monoprice I was wondering if it was worth it so this made it a bit easier. Thank you
Monoprice is made by ATI
I was aware of that, but for most people that won't come into play unless they are close in price or sound/build quality is vastly different. For me and a lot of others it comes down to price vs performance and for that the tonewinner is hard to beat. I bought one a month after posting and i have been extremely happy. The tonewinner is a beast that sounds great and is built like a tank. I have had zero issues and it has driven my mix of 8 and 4ohm speakers perfectly. So for a $500+ price difference at the time of purchase i personally would not go back and do it over because one is built by ati and the other is not but to each their own.
@@brianhorrorfan ATI used higher quality components , tonewinner? Maybe unbranded non matched caps etc
@Billy Bobby and you can hear a major difference because of that? No is the answer. Like i said that stuff doesn't justify a 500 to 600 dollar bump in price to me and most others if that's a huge deal to you go for it dude to each their own. And most say tonewinner is a brother to emotiva so it's not junk no name stuff
@@brianhorrorfan you may not hear the difference but if one uses cheap caps that could end badly plus more regular servicing. I have understanding of electronics. Early emotivas used cheap components under species for the job...tonewinner was the OEM..I have a tonewinner av pre
When are you doing the processor?
Would you recommend the Tonewinner over the Emotiva or Outlaw ?
That's a thing of beauty
Thanks Steve!!
You're welcome!!
Did I miss an additional video? You are good at explaining things to the masses, do you have a way to bench test the output vs specs and other amps?
Great video, have you had an opportunity to test out your new Tonewinner yet?
I am considering one of these for the bed layer on my 7.2.4 setup using a Denon 4700H.
Thanks! Yep it's working like a beast of an amp should. I'll have an update soon.
When will you be doing a actual review of the product....apparently the 7200 amp you could hear a hiss coming from the speakers with nothing playing according to Spec of Tech...when I talked to AAmir he said that this was taken care of with the new model (7300) so will be interesting to know from you if you have this problem...as i am lookin to buying one Thanks and also do you know of any discount code for Canada? again Thanks
Discount code? im in if there is one!
I don't have a code but reach out to Amire at Summit HiFi.
@@hometheatergurus It's all good I purchased the amplifier anyway! Looking forward to hooking it up!
@@infusionset awesome.. You'll love it. I'm quite happy with mine.
All channels driven @4ohms?
Great video, Amir is amazing to work with. Tonewinner is on my shortlist for amps when I am at the point to pull the trigger. Buckeye is a company I just ran across that look like make some solid amps and excellent prices as well.
Can't wait for the review and demos
Thanks Shane!
@@hometheatergurus Great vid, it does look surprisingly good, impressive be interested in your thoughts of sound? Is the amp multi voltage 110v-230v can't wait to see your comparison with Anthem over their controller! Love your content deepest respect.
I think this amp is awesome. Looks and sounds amazing. Pleasantly surprised. Also Aamir is excellent to deal with. I'm waiting for my tone winner d600 sub. Which is supposed to be awesome as well. Then the at-300 prosesser is my next purchase.
I had a lot of quality amps. But this one is my favorite. Noticeable difference.
I couldn't agree more.
Just wondering when you will do a full review on this? I'm thinking about buying a couple but wanted to hear what you think first.
I'll be doing a full review in a month or so. So far they're working like Champs and the room is incredible. From the way they're performing, I personally don't see any reason to spend a penny more.
@@hometheatergurus Guru, is the midrange full and luscious during music listening? I really hope it doesn't have that thin/recessed crap midrange that class D amps tend to have.
I’m curious I was looking at Monoprice I have an Emotiva, Tone Winner has my attention I am about to pull the trigger on an amp👍.
I had the monoprice 5x200 class AB and returned it. It may be ok for movies, but, it just doesn't have the fidelity for music listening in comparison to a couple of my hifi amps. I am curious about this tonewinner as well.
great review. I do believe that audio equipment, whether is speakers or amps or receivers, there is an aesthetic quality that is to be considered. I don't know any audio enthusiast that hides the equipment. It should be displayed and tower speakers need to look good in the room as they are a prominent feature. I use a vintage Onkyo M504 as my two channel amp and it always gets comments of praise because it looks so cool. Has large watt meter displays for each channel. Finally a modern audio company realizes this.
I agree. Even those that don't have our gear visible still love to see a system that is worth showing off and has a visual appeal.
My cinema room is my living room so I wanted everything to look nice. My stereo power amp for my front left & right speakers has old school (non digital) VU meters. But it's a contemporary unique looking amp with veneered zebrano wood all around it. Apart from the CNC machined aluminium front and back panels.
Damn! I need to know more about "unknown" AVR/Amp manufacturers!
Does anyone have more manufacturers I should know?
Please open the Lid and show the Interior of the amp!
You've made me curious... looking forward to the processor review.
Did you ever post the review on the Tonewinner processor? I looked it up but could not find it...
Where can I buy such large VU meters
I've got one and absolutely love it
No you dont
@@edithboozy1000 don't be jealous
Any new on a review of the AT-300?
Not yet but I'm sure it won't be long.
does this amp have more soundstage that an emotiva gen 2 xpa 5
Does or will Tonewinner make hypex based amps? Picking out HT equipment now for 7.2.4 system at 4ohms. Was looking at monolith 7ch and 5 ch class AB amps ( very heavy) and there new 8ch Hypex amps. Like the hypex based on weight. Bit this Tonewinner is sparking my interest. What's your thoughts? Second worries be HTP-1 processor or another suggestion....whew!
JEEEEZ!!! That thing is a beast! Sick!!! Officially jealous!
I'm assuming I'll need some sort of preamp with this??
No, just a receiver with pre outs will do the trick.
Did you say "theAter" LOL. Im from Texas and rarely hear that even here. Must be the DFW metroplex keeping it at bay.
Man I'm lucky to be able to edit enough coherent words to make a video. 😂. I'm the guy that sweats in front of a crowd!
@@hometheatergurus Keep up the videos. Enjoying the educational content.
I'm super stoked for this review! I'm very curious about these products
Me too!!
The XLR female receptacles do not have a metal eject button like on the Emotiva(s).
Is this something you need????? If you had these on hand you'd quickly realize it's not. It's a waste of metal.
@@hometheatergurus I love your content.
It such a non cost / big benefit feature not why pricier brands don't include the ejector lock.
Even OSD Nero is including the eject ring.
Did you say you were putting one amp on top of the other??? As I am running out of room with my rack and was wondering if it would be ok to put my other amp directly on top of this Tone Winner amp ....heat issues?
Yeah, you can space them out but honestly they run quite cool.
I thought I heard a comment somewhere that you’re doing a 9.X.6 - how are you powering 15 channels with two 7 channel amps? Maybe I misheard! Love your videos thanks!
Awesome video as always I’ve been looking at the outlaw 7000x and this after I saw it on spec of techs channel. It’s nice to see someone else reviewing it now too.
Love my outlaw but I'm always looking at other stuff. No harm in window shopping.......right? Lol
Hit it hard and give us the skinny. If in 2 months you are still all hot for teacher I'll probably jump on one myself. 11 channel version sounds interesting... would run the whole 7.1.4!
I definitely plan to put the pedal down on it. 😁
Hi Steve. This is running 180 watts full driven at 4 Ohms or 8ohms?
Hey Jhayden, It's 180 x7 @ 8 ohms. There's no rating for 4 ohms for all channels driven but it would be a good bit higher than 180 watts per channel.
I've had this amp for about 2 weeks now. I got it after ordering the AD-5180 and being notified it was not available. Aamir told me this amp should do at least 300 watts per channel in 4 ohms. I really wish there were 4 ohm specs on this like the AD-5180
@@jasonneill537 How is sounding for music listening? Does it sound like class D or meaty class A/AB?
@@jasonneill537 I was wondering the same thing. The ad5180 actually does 300wpc all channels driven. Plus the ad5180 is heavier than this amplifier.
I'm thinking if I go Atmos, I'll be seriously considering Tonewinner. I want them to do a dedicated music stereo amp....that would be interesting.
open the amp up and show us the insides please.....
I'll make sure that won't void any warranty. If I get the green light I'll do that on the update video.
Are they rack mountable? I have all of my sub amps currently in on and I've been thinking about getting a bigger one and moving my AVR and everything into it.
No you'll have to set them on rack shelves.
@@hometheatergurus thanks for the info. That's definitely a minus on them. With it having the side heat sinks I wonder if I could rig something.
Ooh nice
Another great video.
Thanks Dave!
But it's no ground connection.
That's by design. You can always ground the chasis to the processor if needed and is commonly done.
I did not catch if you mentioned it’s class of operation or not? (Im guessing class D, and not class A or AB operation, based on the spec I did catch that it will pull 1100W from a 120VAC, and it should be mentioned here also a standard 15amp residential breaker kicks off at approx 1350. (Which is also the logic in supplying 240VAC: bigger wire, higher rated breaker)
Im an EE, so, I was disappointed in the power supply size & quality (after looking at the mfg’s website) and especially at the bigger brother version with (I forget now?) with either 11ch
or 13ch…
That is a pretty amp. If my ATI goes out I think I'll pick up the Tone Winner.
Hi need your advice I have already the tonewinner PA 7 channel but if I need to connect another tonewinner power amplifier to my receiver how do I connect cause my Onkyo receiver TX RZ 830 has only 1 trigger out. Just trying to have those connections so I can power up 2 tonewinner PAs once the Onkyo is turn on. Thank You.
It appears to have a trigger input as well as "link input", might be what you are looking for to power "daisy chain" other equipment.
Per the manual the link input is to sync up the dimmers. For dual triggers you'd need a splitter.
@@hometheatergurus Noted tq
Really is a nice looking peice of kit 😍
I just order this amp a couple of days ago 👌
No you didnt
I did not catch if you mentioned it’s class of operation or not? (Im guessing class D, and not class A or AB operation, based on the spec I did catch that it will pull 1100W from a 120VAC, and it should be mentioned here also a standard 15amp residential breaker kicks off at approx 1350. (Which is also the logic in supplying 240VAC: bigger wire, higher rated breaker)
Im an EE, so, I was disappointed in the power supply size & quality (after looking at the mfg’s website) and especially at the bigger brother version with (I forget now?) with either 11ch
or 13ch…
PS. The large VU meter is lovely, and obviously they are going after McIntosh with their huge blue VU’s…
Amps have transformers so the wattage at a wall doesn't have anything to do with watts from the amp. Power Amps are not outputting at 120v. Keep in mind Ohms law. Also they have caps that hold a charge.
Great video! I can not agree more with you with the Tonewinner product! I have owned 2 Tonewinner AD5180 5 ch amplifiers for over a year now, from Aamir @ Summitt Hifi. All I can say is...to this day they still impress me. They will stay in my system! I run them off a NAD M17 pre, and Legacy Classic HD's all 4ohm..tons of clean power, the amps really do the gear justice. After living with them, I can't recommend them enough. Looking forward to your thoughts with the TW 7300's, PS, get the carpet in!!! Cheers!
Hi how did you turn on both Power amplifier from your processor. The connections. Thank you.
You'll use the supplied trigger cables and connect the trigger out on your AVR/processor to the trigger input on the amp. Once that is done when the AVR/processor is turned on the amp will come on automatically.
@@hometheatergurusHi I got only 1 trigger out from receiver but need to connect 2 tonewinner 7300 power amplifier sodo I need a splitter cable or connector will it work.
@@gulamgh yeah me to only one from processor No answer yet ?
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You can split that signal cable to turn both amps on.
one thing that gets me is the VU meter says "UV"....
It says VU on the display (volume meter)
@@hometheatergurus ah I have seen some say uv maybe they have fixed this issue
great looking amp ...
Yeah i actually hated to hide it away in the rack..😆
Well I'm gonna givem a shot so not having bought one yet lol is in the visual I would of prefered to see vu meters X2 one for left aND ONE FOR RIGHT
The Monolith series is NOT cheap sheet metal. It is very solid feeling all the way around. I have to assume you have never seen one in person based on your comment. Because it is flat incorrect. It does not bow in when pushed on.
Sheet metal is cheap. I'd didn't mean flimsy. Sorry if it came across that way. This was just my impression of the exterior.
@@hometheatergurus I just thought it sounded odd since I own a Monoprice and it is a rock-solid all the way around. I don't know where you got any impression that the metal is easy to push in.
tonewinner products are getting great reviews, my only gripe is the name of the company, they really should think about changing it as it just sounds cheesy, it might improve their sales.
Thinking of purchasing, upgrading from my Outlaw 5000 , would it be a noticeable difference?
i bought the preprosscer thats 16 channels and 2, 7 channel amps ! works so good !
Great to hear. I can't wait to try that processor out!
Nope, no Tonewinner over here in Germany...
Shoot them an email. They may be able to ship.
@@hometheatergurus If the final price after taxes and fees is somewhere close to that, what I've roughly calculated , the 7300 would cost something between 2500$ and 2600$. Looks like, I have to look for a different amp 😅✌️
@@TheRealSchnitti yeah that's some steep price increases. 😮
Your client that is a "diehard" audiophile suggesting this amp manufacturer doesn't seem correct. However, I have no hate toward the amp. I'd really like a review about it. How's it perform? Does it punch hard for it's price point? Etc...
That what happened and he introduced me to this brand.. 🤷♂️. I don't make the news I just tell it! 😁
@@hometheatergurus understood. My question was more with the diehard audiophile's decision to choose this amp. Most diehards are choosing amps in another price point.
How does Tonewinner 7300 stackup to the Crown XLS series amps ?
Ill let ya know in a bit. I have 2 crown xls. And just ordered 2x 7300
@@specialformula14 I would love to know this as well.
@@specialformula14 what did you come up with?
@@wallgreeens420 I mean he never actuall ordered those amps soo
@@edithboozy1000 I got the tone winner, seems decent enougy
Finally they spell VU instead of UV.
I was pretty disappointed to see the processor has no hdmi 2.1 even though it was released in 2021. Great price point though. Thanks for introducing us to the brand
That ToneWinner Pre-Pro also is not 16-ch. They market it as 16-ch. But that's 7.3.6, not 9.1.6. And the 3 subwoofers isn't even really the case, because they aren't actually three independent subwoofer outputs. There are just three subwoofer pre-outs. So it's actually 7.1.6. It's not the equal of a Monolith HTP-1 or Emotiva XMC-2 in terms of the number of channels it can process
@@RobHFirstReflect What would you recommend for an 11 or 9 channel amp? Currently only have a 5.2.4 setup but sometime in the future might decide to go for 7 bed layer speakers.
@@thelonestranger777 if all 9 or 11 channels have to be in a single chassis, then for a 9-channel, I’d suggest the Emotiva XPA-9 Gen3. That model gives you 5 channels at around 200-250 Watts each (into 8 ohms, all channels driven) plus 4 channels at 65 Watts each, which is perfectly fine to handle the four overhead Atmos speakers.
For an 11-channel, I’d probably opt for the Monoprice Monolith 11X. That gives you 3 channels at 200 Watts each, and 8 channels at 100 Watts each.
As for why I say Emotiva for 9, but Monoprice Monolith for 11, it’s because the Monolith 9X costs $50 more than the Emotiva XPA-9, but it only gives 3 x 200 Watts + 6 x 100. Compare that to the 5 x ~225 + 4 x 65 of the XPA-9, and you’re simply getting more power for your floor level while paying less. Seems like the better deal.
But for the 11 channel, Emotiva’s stereo modules are only 65 Watts per channel vs Monolith’s 100 Watts per channel. Granted, that’s only about 2dB extra headroom. But given that you’ll need to power the Surrounds and Surround Backs with stereo modules, it just seems like the better option to have that bit of extra Wattage on tap 😉
But all of that is moot if you’re ok with having more than one chassis. You could get a really nice, high Wattage 7-channel amp, plus a less expensive 5-channel amp to handle the overheads (and have one extra channel left over. Maybe get a Pre-Pro that does Auro-3D and use that for the Voice of God channel 😉)
I just got word Tonewinner will have an 11 channel amp soon which we should be getting in for review. If you have an avr you can save money just letting the separate amp run the bed layer. This gives more power available to the atmos as the avr doesn't have to run the bed layer.
@@hometheatergurus Cool. Since Jade Designs handles the design work for ToneWinner’s amps, it’ll surely be VERY similar to the Emotiva XPA-11 😉
180 watts all channels driven........but not at full bandwidth. A bit sneaky. Why not share the 20hz to 20khz rating on all channels driven??
That is all channel driven. If you have questions feel free to reach out to them.
@@hometheatergurus You aren't understanding my point. They list all channels driven.......BUT NOT THE SPEC OF ALL CHANNELS DRIVEN AT FULL BANDWIDTH. In other words they're fluffing the numbers. Music and movies are essentially from 20 Hertz to 20 khz so why not provide that spec? I'm bringing this up because you are touting the wattage but it is fluffed-up wattage
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I’ve seen a more beast of a multichannel amp. The Anthem Statement P5. I own it.
That is a beast and also MSRP is like 5x the cost of this amp. It better be a beast and also know how to make supper!
FedEx and ups proof I hope it is
It's very well packaged but mine shipped freight.
Glad to see Tonewinner stepping out from behind the shadow of Emotiva, and instead of building stuff for Emotiva they are selling it under their own brand label for less.
Would love to see some bench test measurements of how cleanly it outputs what is put into it. Certainly from the marketing specs, it looks impressive.
I do have a bone to pick with their marketing for their processor, since several of the channels are just duplicated mono outputs for subwoofers, bumping up the apparent channel output but not offering things like individually adjustable output for each subwoofer.....so really one still needs a miniDSP, and the redundant subwoofer output channels, while nice for marketing, don't give you anything a single subwoofer output wouldn't give you if you are trying to do proper time and gain alignment.
Honestly all processors need a minidsp. None are really good at aligning multiple subs and I know of many Trinov rooms that have minidsp, qsc dsp etc used to align the subs. This allows the processor to see one sub and takes alignment out of its hands. So the one sub out isn't really an issue as sub 2 out almost always goes or should go Unused.
But I agree it's better to just have one sub out than two paralleled. Not everyone will know its not attempting to align dual subs. I plan to align it all manually anyways and see what it can do.
@@hometheatergurus I will be eager to see your review. I agree that miniDSP type setup is critical for almost every processor.
My "beef" is: They call it a 16 channel pre pro, but it's really just 14 since three of the outputs they are counting are just the mono sub output, repeated. I hope that's the only place they are cutting corners, though, because it could be a unique alternative.
The AT300 sub outs are semi-independent. Even though the xover is shared with 3 outs, all 3 have separate EQ settings and delays including highpass cutoff. So in effect it's separate.
Moreover multi subs are calibrated or aligned to each other to work like a single sub, so separate subs is not a big thing. Most important is the wide channels or 6 Atmos at this price range along with XLRs
@@anoopht9588 sure but that is not usually considered in the channel count. For example, it you look at Denon, ARcam, Marantz, Anthem, they don't call those additional subwoofer outputs, even when independent from one another, additional channels, whereas Tonewinner marketing conflates additional sub channel outputs with speaker channel outputs.
@@nattydj8646 perhaps they are following the lead from Trinnov, Storm Audio et al who have assignable channels in their 16 count.
Someone is smitten!
Let's hope she's not just another pretty face.
So far it's performing fabulous. We watched the first show in there last night. Lost in space season 3. I'll be hammering on the amps over the next few weeks.
For being HT Gurus...your camera and lighting sure are terrible.
Thanks bro! That makes me feel all warm and tingly. I'm glad you pay more attention to that than the content.
You care a lot more than I do about impressive lighting.. 😁
Tone winner