Man, your videos just keep getting better and better. That intro 😂. On the technical side, I saw other videos explaining the pros of having a dedicated processor in how much detailed and precise the sound was, but was unaware that using external amps with an AVR also would improve on that aspect. I thought it would just provide more power output. This was indeed, as always, as informative as it was entertaining. Well done 👍
I picked up the Emotiva BasX A3 and it made a difference to my front sound stage. Now the sound better matches my 92-inch screen with a 4K HDR image. The Ambiance of sounds such as the jingling of keys, the rustling of leaves, and the wind blowing through tall grass is impressive. The front stage of sound also sounds more dynamic and a foot closer. Lastly, the side speakers now blend better with the fronts. I JUST ordered the Emotiva BasX A4 to power my side and rear surrounds (don't tell my spouse).
Nice! I’m about to order the basX 3 today. Current set up. 5.2.2. Klipsch Dolby up-firing, subs duel klipsch 120sw on Pioneer LX505. Going to connect front three to basX and next month bring in rear height and a Svs pb 4000 👀
Hey awesome video once again!! Nice intro though!! Come with some videos on room acoustic panels and bass traps 🪤!! Waiting for that too frm u’! Keep rocking bro!
If you do indeed only have a 5 channel setup then you should select the pre amplifier mode. Even with pre outs being used the internal amps in the AVR are still engaged, with the pre amp mode it actually turns off all internal amps and might provide even more separation. Just something to try, anyways great video. You sir have earned another subscriber👍
Could you explain this more? I currently have the A3 and am waiting for rz50 to set up a 7.2.4 atmos. You are suggesting to use the avr in preamp mode?
You don't have any load connected to the internal amps, it's just an open circuit when you're only using the preouts. How is the receiver gonna send any power to the internal amps and how will you get any more separation?
I totally agree. I thought my Denon 4700h would be enough for my 7.1.2 system. But adding the A5 is amazing. Use the AVR do the processing (Denon is excellent) and Emotiva for power.
I have the Denon AVR-4400H and bought the XPA5 which is just on another level from the receiver's built in amps. Sounds way better on music and movies. BassX A4 for 4 overhead height speakers and way more detailed too. Enjoy 🎯
Your reviews are top notch!! Your approach is very entertaining!! The humor keeps me watching all the way through!! For the life of me I can't understand why you don't have more subscribers than all those other fan boys who keep fluffing each other in thier high school circles 🤔 Keep up the awesome videos 🤘👍👌👏 Now a quick question, which Emotiva would you recommend for my 5.2.1 setup? Should I use any power from my Onkyo Rz820 AVR power or just go all the way with the 7 channel Emotiva? Thanks in advance for your input 🤘
Wow! Thanks so much for the compliments! Doing the best I can with trying to stand out from the crowd. 😀 As far as the Emotiva, now that I’ve experienced supplementing an AVR’s power with an ext amp, I’m a big fan of alleviating as much of the AVR’s power as possible. So yeah, I would get the A7 to power all speakers, to allow the AVR to just be a processor. Sharing the load like that opens up everything and power distribution is fantastic. 🤘🙌
Having a similar setup, you do not have to set 5 chanels and surround back and you do not have to configure the front speakers to preout. It all happens automatically, even while choosing 5 speakers only without configuring preout for the front speakers
I read that the preout is always active on all channels. However, I wonder if not explicitly configuring the preout channels will affect the sound processing algorithm (if that’s a thing). I don’t know how AVRs process and distribute sound hence my curiosity.
I agree, I don’t want to make assumptions and say that this gentleman isn’t some full-blown audiophile, who’s has been listening to hi-fi gear for years and years because he might be. But I don’t get that vibe. I am enjoying what feels like to me a kind of fresh take on audio gear shot in a really fun and well done fashion.
Good video, Ealan. 👍🏻 I’m in the UK and my BasX A3 is hopefully just less than a week away from delivery. I’ve purchased this for the exact reasons you’ve described; to free up some capacity from my Marantz SR7011. 👍🏻👍🏻
@@ealanosborne thank you. Yes, me too. I’ve ordered some Arendal Sound 1723S speakers, too, so will be doing some simple videos on those when they arrive. Neither are overly common on TH-cam videos as yet. Fun fun. 🤩
Here's something to try: Open up the Onkyo and find where the internal amps are, then from there you can find the preamps, then from there, wire an RCA female connection to each channel, then connect the emotiva to those and see if you get the same sound quality you found with the Denon preouts? If this works, it would definitely beat spending a whole grand on a new avr.
Another awesome video that confirmed my thoughts and direction i needed to head in. Looks like I need a 5ch amp because my RZ50 is already maxed out. When i brought the RZ50 i thought this would do me for years it was so much more then what i had but now i am hooked. I was already looking at Emotiva they seem like the best value and are a nice size.
Very useful video. Although a year old now (Jan 2023) it is still highly relevant. So I just ordered an A5 via your site, along with RCA cables. Emotiva's price on cables was less ($20 vs $24 for 6 foot Mogami) for, I presume, similar quality. Should really enhance my 7.2.4 with Denon 3600h. Thank you for providing a valuable service.
Great video. I'm recommending your channel going forward. I've been stuck in trying to decide between a couple of BasX amps to run my 5.1.4 (A3 along with the A7) or just biting the bullet and getting the Monolith by Monoprice 9-Channel amp. The Monolith is obviously more expensive (considerably), but I can't shake the thought of never having to re-buy an amp. And having the amp power all in one box seems like a much easier solution. More power, plus balance XLRs in case I ever decide to jump into the pre-pro waters.
Thanks for the compliments! And yeah…such is the dilemma with home theater. Since you seem to already have that goal in sight to get separates some day, might as well go for the investment of a Monolith 9 channel amp. Although since the latest BasX line seems super popular right now, I bet resale value will still hold its value for a long time. So you could maybe have a future plan of 1) budget amps 2) preamp 3) monolith amp? And use the proceeds from selling the BasX amps to help buy the monolith. Something to consider. Although the A3 is sold out right now. Everyone wanted their hands on that!
@@ealanosborne I think I overthought my plan. I was going to bring in the A7 first and then add the A3 once it became available to run my front stage (with the A7 running my surrounds and 4 atmos (90w per channel)). But that setup would have cost me $1200 USD. It would have also left the amp on my Denon 3600 being unused and 1 output on the A7 that would have been unused as well. Now I'm thinking a combo of the A3 and A4. $1000USD. A3 for the front stage (140w per channel). A4 for Atmos (100w per channel). Receiver for Surrounds (105w per channel). That combo gives my surrounds and atmos "more power", makes use of the receiver amp, has no unused channels on either of the BasX amps, and would be $200 cheaper. That seems like the better plan.
Hello Ealan, the vids are great entertaining and informative plus that touch of comedy is much appreciated. I had a stupid question, could and old receiver be used as an amplifier to my new receiver? Thank you!
Typically the only receivers that can be used as amps are the more expensive kind that have a section labeled “7.1 analog input” or something to that effect. So that way you can accept an analog audio signal that doesn’t need to be processed, just amplified. 🤘
I wish emotiva would bring back that entry level processor that paired with these amps. it would be nice to build a stack that wasnt much more taller than the receiver. honestly thats why i dont have separates due to lack of real estate.
I keep seeing mention of an upcoming Basx processor on the horizon. I don’t know if you follow the Emotiva page on Facebook but you should keep an eye out there
Ealaaaaaaan!!! another good video. Yeah, I've been thinking of getting an BasX A2. Do you think it's good enough? Or the A3 for the Fronts and the Center? I'm on a Budget. I totally get what your saying about letting the External amp do alot of the load for the AVR. Still happy with my Sony AVR 790 and Klipsch reference and Klipsch R41 Bookshelves. I still don't know if I have my Reciever adjusted right for my speakers. I've been lazy lately on reading the book lol. Plus been busy with work and stuff. BTW, you ever watch youtube cheapaudioman? I like his stuff too. He got me on the Sony SSCS-5 Bookshelve speakers. thanks Ealan for another great video and nice home you got there.
I got the Basx A2 to drive the front speakers which are ML 60xts which are rated 4ohms. My receiver which is the Marantz SR7013 drives the center and surround speakers. I would have got the A3 but it would have been a waste power to use the Marantz to only drive the surrounds. Without a doubt I will say that the A2 is really great with producing the sound of my favorite go to test dvd which is the Hobbit - Battle of Five Armies.
In the uk the a5 is $920 (£ 720) I'm unsure weather to buy this or "upgrade " my denon 3700 for an additional £1000 to either the 6700 or marantz 8015 . ( trade in offer) what do you think will give best audio upgrade? @@ferrisburgh802
That's how I felt when I replaced my 20 year old Pioneer ElitE receiver with my new Anthem MRX 740. I've been re-watching hundreds of movies and loving every minute of it. I'm waiting for the BasX A4 to be back in stock so I can power four PSB Imagine XA Atmos speakers. The MRX 740 only has seven powered channels (ouch!). I plan to let the AVR power my bed level speakers as it has proven itself a good performer.
Yeah, I’ve always thought that was a bit unique with the MRX 740 only having 7 internal amps, but being able to process so much more than that! Like an AVR/Preamp hybrid. But I’ve heard nothing but people raging about how incredible the Anthem sound is. 🙌 Hopefully those A4s are back in stock ASAP!
Does the five channel amp automatically recognize if the receiver is outputting pure-direct audio in only two channels? Will it bridge the power and shut off the lights of the channels not receiving signals.?
Although I already know all of this and use external amplification, I really enjoy your videos, great explanations with a twist of humor. Did you ever compare pre/pro vs receiver with external amp?
@@htenthusiast2897 Slowly, still. 😕 Electrical issues now is currently stalling the process. Always something, right? 😄 But progress nonetheless. I’m mounting speakers in the meantime. It’ll be done some day! Haha!
I want to purchase an BasX A3...my question is will my Onkyo RZ50's preouts have enough power to drive the A3, and how do you determine the preout wattage...or how much preout wattage is needed to drive power amplifers.
Since it’s a pre out, it’s taking the audio signal pre - or before - it hits the internal amp at all. So there’s no wattage involved with pre outs. Voltage, yes, but just because it’s an electronic device that runs in electricity. So the RZ50 is only sending the audio signal to the A3, which then the A3 alone powers 3 of your speakers. That’s the really cool thing about adding external amps to any system - your essentially relieving the AVR from having to do EVERYTHING (video switching, audio processing, powering your speakers), so you’re helping it perform better by making it do less. Make sense? ☺️
@@ealanosborne Makes perfect sense…but let’s take this a little further, is there something I can buy to take the video switching/ audio processing from the AVR? Or would that be overkill.
@@mptobler1 If I’m understanding your question right, that’s what a preamp processor is, like the Emotiva MC1, IOTA AVX17 or Marantz AV 10. No amps inside, so you HAVE to power your speakers exclusively with external amps.
Have you aver experienced separate setup? I am interested, if going pros + amp will give even more detail and better Chanel separation. Or the result will be + / - like receiver + amp
Wondering where the subwoofer is plugged in? I have a new Marantz SR5001 and a Marantz MM9000 that now has a fuzzy right front channel that will cost more to repair than the cost of this amp. I think I can get by with the BASX A5, and still use the MM9000 to drive the sub. Thoughts?
Hey Ealan, I have 5.2.2 setup with Denon 4400h. Planning to get A3 from ur link. May I know what settings to choose to power up LCR? (Amp assign and settings to select) If I cannot externally power the front stage then no point getting A3. Having rp280f's and rp450c in my front stage.
Yes, you can power your LCR with a BasX A3. Within the Denon's software it's a bit tricky, though. Not like how you would think at first: In the Amp Assign page, choose 11.1, for Floor speakers, choose 5ch+SB. Height channels choose 4ch to max out the Denon's internal amps and engage the pre out section. In the pre out section, choose Front to have your L/R speakers powered externally. Then go back to the previous menu page and go into Speaker Config. In there, you would select front speakers, center, 2 subwoofers, 2 surrounds, surround back "none," Front height to 2, and Rear Height to "none." So basically you're telling the software to assign a 7.2.4 setup, but then selecting a Speaker Config of 5.2.2. Pretty weird, but that's just how it works. :) I hope that makes sense! When the time comes, check out my video on Atmos configurations. I don't specifically go over a 5.2.2 setup with an external amp, but it should help. th-cam.com/video/7n8R4b_zrq0/w-d-xo.html
Hi, thanks for the reply. L/R speakers powered as you have mentioned. But I don't see an option to select center channel to power externally? Even if I use the pre out of Center channel, will the denon internal amps draw power for the center channel(active)?
@@balajis7719 No. Front L/R are the only pre outs in your case that need to be assigned. All other pre outs (including center) will just be "on" and ready for a signal if you plug an RCA cable into its corresponding pre out port. And since an RCA cable would be plugged into your center, that disengages the internal amp for the center channel.
great details… thanks for the video! Question: It was shown, from BasX A5 Trigger out can be connected to another Amplifier’s Trigger Input to power more 4 speakers, so from AVR like 3700h we have to connect 4 more preouts with RCA’s to the second Amp with 4 extra speakers wires connected to second amp, correct? And also as you know, in the Denon 3700h- there is a ‘Pre Amplifier’ Amp assign config which can shut off all the internal AVR amps- so ultimately when we connect two power amps with all 9 speakers sounding from the amps, receiving audio signals from AVR, right?
That’s correct! You would just connect 4 more RCA cables to the additional pre-outs necessary. But yes, you also could just use “preamp” mode to turn all the internal amps off. Although I guess the only scenario you’d still need to use 2 internal amps is if you only had 9 external amp channels and wanted to process a total of 11 channels. Although in my example, I probably should’ve done a hypothetical 3 channel + 2 channel amp or something. 🤷♂️😄 So many configurations and possibilities!
I know on the Denon you can Pre out the front 3. Is it possible to pre out the front 3 and side and rear surrounds. i already have a BasX A3. Im thinking of getting the A4 for the 4 surround speakers.
@@89JAEH Sweet! Okay, yeah, you can definitely add an A4 to power the rest of your surrounds no problem, especially since the x4300h has 2 trigger outputs, so both amps can react when the x4300h turns on or off. 🤘
Hi Ealan, I have heard of discrepancies in the specs published on the website for the BasX amps vs on the included manual with the actual amp. Could you kindly share the specs of all amps listed in the included manual you've received with your A5 please?
Oh, I hadn't heard of that! Interesting! Although I had to send back the A5 once I was done reviewing it, otherwise I'd look at the manual with my own eyes right now! Sorry!
@@ealanosborne thanks for your reply mate. I'm having the worst ever sales and customer service from Emotiva! I ordered an A3 on 26th July and still they haven't shipped it in a month. When I started questioning them one of the sales rep suggested me to cancel the order or get the A5 which according to her would give out similar wattage output! "Breanna says: A5- 140 watts RMS per channel; 20 Hz - 20 kHz; THD < 0.1%; into 8 Ohms. 200 watts RMS per channel; 1 kHz; THD < 1%; into 4 Ohms. The Power will be similar, but not more." (Website says different.) Then she goes on... Breanna says: Hello Dewan, We can cancel your order if you'd like?
@@dewansyeem Whoa, sorry for the rough customer service experience, mate! I’ve only had positive experiences so far from them! And yeah, those specs given to you over the phone are what the A3 is rated, not the A5, which is rated 95 watts per channel. 🤷♂️ But as I mentioned in my review of the A5, it’s not exactly just power ratings that matter. Any receiver will greatly benefit from using external amps to power your speakers. That’s why it still sounding better when I used the A5, regardless of power ratings. So there’s that? 😄 I dunno…just my opinion, though. Sorry again for your experience so far. I do know that A3 always sells out almost immediately when it’s back in stock.
Hello if you want you can have the back surround by using the Denon amplifiers because there 5 channels not been used right? I have the Denon you showed x4700h and I'm thinking to buy the basx A2 to power the front l/r is that a big improvement on the front l/r for both stereo music and the home theater I have hard to drive speakers and they are 200/280 watts and 4 ohms and I can have a 7.2.4 with the basx A2 right?
I have the a 5.1.4 system and I just received my Basx5. This one will be connected to my Denon x4300h, since I have 4 in ceiling speakers which I’m planning to use a basx4 amp for them, how do I assign the speakers to connect the front and surround back speakers, any advice will be appreciated.
You might wanna try setting them to Large or full bandwidth first. You might like that, since they’re beefy tower speakers. Otherwise, I’d try 50-60 Hz, depending on what your AVR can set as a crossover frequency. 👍
I'm currently running a 5.1 Klipsch RP speaker system with my Yamaha TSR 700. Was wondering if an amp would make any difference but I think this video is definitely pushing me to get a better AVR and a separate amp
It would make a difference, although the TSR-700 can only have the front left and right speakers powered by an external amp. But that’s better than any other 7 channel AVR! 😀 But yes, a better AVR might be a solid future investment! That Onkyo RZ50 seems to be the apex for diminishing returns when it comes to how much you spend vs the quality you get. Available in October, I believe. 👍
@@ealanosborne Oh nice, I was originally eyeing the Denon 3700H, seems like that was the go to. Any reason to hold out for the Onkyo over the denon? I know more recently built 3700H units have the 2.1 bug fixed and built into the unit instead of an external box.
@@zergslayer69 Eh, I guess it’s just brand preference at that point. The Onkyo is THX certified, so there’s that, if it makes any difference to you. But yeah, they’re pretty comparable.
Hi, very nice video and it included the setup in the Denon receiver that I haven't seen anyone else shown. I'm new to learning about amplifiers so trying to understand more before I decide what to purchase. I recently got the Denon anniversary AVR-A110 13.2 channel receiver and will be using all the 13.2 channels. Have Klipsch RF8000F as front channels. Center is Polk LSiM706. Other surround speakers are a combination of Klipsch Atmos, Kef bookshelf and one pair of SVS Prime elevation. Do I need an external amplifier to drive all these or is the receiver able to handle these? Another question, if I get the 3 channel amplifier for just the front stage, is there a way to turn off the power to those channels in the receiver so the power is distributed to the other channels or does it really matter because no speaker will be connected to those channels? Thanks.
Wow!!! That’s the flagship beast AVR from Denon. NICE! In answer to your questions, no, you wouldn’t need an external amp to power up to a 13.2 channel configuration. But, it is always a good thing to share the load with some external amps wherever possible. So if you did get the A3, and assigned it to your front soundstage, yes, that would essentially turn off those 3 amps inside of the Denon since no signal is reaching them. 👍 That’s gonna be a man incredible setup!
Hey Elan, have you tried a Crown amp, like the "new" Crown XLS 1002? They have a lot of power for a low cost. I have recently bougt a Denon AVC-3700H witch have pre outs, and now I am curius to know what you think. Especially compared to the much lower powered Emotiva🤨
I have the BasX A5 on the way but I have also purchased the XPA-5 GEN3 both from Emotiva. I’m trying to decide is all the power from the XPA-5 needed for a Klipsch 5.2.4 setup? (RP8000fx2, RC64iii, RP600Mx2) amp and x4 RP500SA Dolby atmos ran on Denon x4700h? Dual SVS Pb-3000s.
Maybe not too necessary, but you at least have monster speakers that can handle the power of the XPA-5, especially your RC64iii. But as I stated in the video, it’s not 100% about the power behind the amp. It’s also about lifting the audio processing burden on the X4700H. With an XPA-5 and BasX A5, you might as well put your Denon in “preamp mode” so it doesn’t use any internal amps at all, which will be a fantastic experience. 🙌
@@ealanosborne thank you so much for the feedback. The BasX A5 would be the better choice obviously for money lol. I just didn’t want to regret not getting more power later. I was hoping the cheaper option would be plenty enough power due to the sensitivity of the speakers. Of course keeping both would probably work great as well, just not so friendly to the budget lol.
Great video as I’m thinking of diving into external amps for the first time. Any idea how the XPA compares in sound quality to the BasX? The BasX price point almost seems too good to be true. I know the XPA offers balanced outputs. I’m more interested in sound quality of the two. Thanks
Yeah, the XPA line will definitely sound better. More power, and balanced outputs will have such a clean signal. So if it’s in your budget, go for it. But the BasX line is easy on the wallet if you didn’t want to spend too much. It does the job for the price, and then some. But the XPA line is expensive for a reason. Just a whole new level of amp. 👍
@@ealanosborne I’ve happy with the “sound” of my pioneer elite sc-05. Will the BasX or XPA alter the sound I’m used to or simply make it “better” more detailed sonically? Thanks
Awesome video, very entertaining! Question regarding the a5 amp: Is 95 watts into each channel sufficient to have a great atmos experience? Or should I aim for more watts per channel with a different amplifier? I currently have 7.2.4 setup with the denon 4700h.
Thanks for the compliments! And yes, I thought the use of the A5 greatly improved the separation of audio across the soundstage and improved the overall distribution of power across the speakers. 👍
Thanks for the reply. Do you feel you had a great experience because you have 4 ohm speakers? Or will the a5 provide the same great experience with 8 ohm speakers?
@@satii24 No, I don’t think it was because of the 4 ohm speakers. Don’t think of it as pure power that is improved - it just allows your X4700H to process sound better when it doesn’t have to worry about powering 5 main speakers. It’s wild to hear in person. 😄🤘
Unless you have a really, really big room, 95 watts/channel is PLENTY for the average speaker. Some speakers, like electrostatics (Martin Logan) really require very large amounts of power and 95W might not cut it. There are also a few conventional speakers that are very power hungry. Still, for 90% of the speakers out there? Yes, 95W/channel is plenty.
Modern AVR’s just can’t amplify well, and Denon’s amps usually measure the best, they’re just no match for external amps. Good news is Denon’s preouts measure well too.
@@ealanosborne Cant afford the Emotiva right now (still paying off my rz50) is there any econimal, cheap suggestions I could do until I save up for Emotiva?
Hi, I want to upgrade my system with Emotiva BasX A3, with my Denon AVR-X4700H & Polk Reserve R600 & R400 for my front stage. Is this combination will be right for me to improve the sound quality, dynamics & shifting the load off from AVR that will improve the surround speakers R100 & Atmos speakers performance. What is Your advice, your suggestion will be great help for me.
Would you say that the external amp made your Denon 4700 sound much more expensive for example like an $2000 - $3000 avr. And also I was wondering if the sound of the subwoofer improved. I know it has its own amplification but because the processing on the 4700 improved I am thinking it might send better signal to the subwoofer. Thank you.
I would say yes, I made it sound more expensive (given that external amps cost additional money, so technically they do make it more expensive 😄), but yes! The way in which it brought out details I hadn’t heard before so clearly, you could say it made it sound like an AVR that costs much more! And no…didn’t really improve the subwoofer experience since it’s not really tied to the AVR’s internal amp performance. But I’m sure I could improve the subwoofer experience with a miniDSP and reworking REW if I wanted to. Trust me, there’s ALWAYS room for improvement on subwoofers. It’s a science all in and of itself. 😳🤘
@@ealanosborne Hi once again thank you for answering. Did it also make your speakers sound fuller and bigger in scale. Accordind to reviewers, with the Emotiva Basx amps the detail and seperation is there but I dont seem to remember anyone talking about the scale of the sound and how much more room filling these amps can be.
Bas x a5 is $920 ( £720) in uk. What do you think is the best idea, I can upgrade my denon 3700 to a 6700 or a marantz 8015 for £900 ( trade in offer) or buy the emotiva 5 for £720. Running 5.2.4 , won't ever need more channels or hdmi's just looking to improve my audio .
Since all you need is 5.2.4, definitely invest in external amps at this point with your X3700H. The X6700H and SR8015 basically just get you more HDMI inputs and more channels, which you don’t need, so getting the BasX A5 should be your next step to upgrade the quality of your audio. 🎉
I have a Sony 3100ES, I’m looking for at least a 2 channel amp so I may run rear atmos. Do these Amps really sound that much better than what the AVRs offer? Should I just go to the 5 channel you reviewed?
It's not exactly the amp that sounds better, it's just that the amp assisting with the power management of the speakers translates to the receiver being able to process audio better, which results in finer details coming to the forefront that were kind of hidden before. So yeah, if you could afford it, go for an A5 or A7, because any amount of tag-teaming between an amp and a receiver results in some killer audio processing. 👍
Just what I was looking for but I am still stumped!!! I have a Denon 4700 but have a 2 channel Emotiva amp for my fronts and I cant figure out how to get the other channels to work through the receiver only, the two fronts work through the amp. I have it set up the same as you, Any ideas?
@@bchboy1206 Hmmm…In Amp Assign, as long as you have your Amp Mode set to 11.1, Floor set to 5 Ch, Height set to 2 Ch and pre-out set to Front, should be good there. Then in Speaker Config, make sure all your speakers are set to Small and surround back turned to None. That takes care of the software. And as long as you have your RCA cables going from the 2 Front pre-outs on the back of the Denon to the RCA inputs of the BasX, and trigger cable connected from Denon Trigger Out to BasX Trigger In - all should be well! I do have a more in-depth video coming out on Friday about several different Atmos setups on the Denon. 🙌
@@ealanosborne Hey Thanks for all the help! I just ordered an Outlaw 7000x and problem will be solved. I wanted to get it eventually so I guess now is as good as ever! LOL Thanks again!
@@bchboy1206 OMG! I know I had that BasX on loan from Emotiva, but I have my eyes laser focused on that Outlaw amp for the future. Hopefully Outlaw hears my cries, cuz it’s been hard to get a response. Might have to just buy one outright. 😄 I’m excited for you to add that to your system, tho! 🙌🙌
Hello After watching your video, I’m considering either the Emotiva Bassx A3 or the A5. I can see A3 will provide my front stage great power where I feel I’m starved. The A5 will assist the rear surrounds but at a lesser wattage. Do you mind providing me your professional opinion on which one I should purchase? My Home Theatre All Klipcsh Speakers Front height pair - RP 500 Middle height pair - R 40 Rear surround pair - R 40 Center channel speaker - RP 504C Front Floor Speakers - R 800 Sub Woofers - Two - R115 SW AVR Dennon AVR-4800H Powering all except the subs.
I think you could get away with an A5, since a) you have all Klipsch speakers which are notoriously sensitive and typically don’t need a ton of power to get loud, and 2) the R40 and R800F speakers don’t need much power as it is since they are the Reference Series. I’d say you’d need more power if ALL your speakers were Reference Premiere Series speakers, like your center channel, just for future reference. 😊 But the A5 should do well with your current system. 🎉
Hi Ealone, Do you have any opinion on replacing my Dennon AVR 4800H? Even though it’s a few years old, I still like how easy it is to utilize and I like the software set up. I’ve also put several HEOS speakers throughout my house and garage. Just wondering what your professional opinion might be since this receiver is becoming somewhat dated. Perhaps I can just stick with the plan of obtaining the A5, and later upgrading to a different Dennon or Marantz in the years to come. Your logical thoughts would be appreciated.
@@rubjim2 The x4800H should last you many many years, considering it supports HDMI 2.1, 8K video signals, Dirac Live (if you wanna pay extra), a full set of pre outs, and up to 4 subwoofers. It is extremely future proof. So yes, I would invest in external amps at this point, slowly acquiring more over time so that ALL of your speakers can be powered externally. At that point, I think you’d really only need to upgrade the AVR if you want to go bigger than 7.4.4. 👍
Excellent job explaining everything. Really well done. I just subscribed and gave you a like. I have a Pioneer Elite SC07 receiver and Vienna acoustics Hayden grand left, right and center channel speakers which are 4ohms. My rear surround are ceiling mono price. I also have a Martin Logan grotto I sub. You think this would be a good purchase to add to my set up? Thank you!
Hi my friend i have a arcam avr 10 with a emotiva a5 what is the best set up for 5.1.4 left right and center and soround on the emotiva or all atmos on the emotiva? Thanks
Hi Jose! Since your Atmos effects are going to be more subtle and atmospheric and intermittent, I would power your LCR and surrounds with the A5. Any receiver, no matter which brand, will perform better when the job of powering speakers is done by an external amp. 🤘
i bought the a3 for my x3700h,. and shes very happy with that,. so im planing to add more😙,. to amplify all that channel,. just waiting for me to hit the grand lotto😂
don't worry @@ealanosborne ,. i will lend you some if i hit it the next draw😅,. so you can sealed that window that mirroring on to your tv,. i also have that same little problem😅😅
Hello I’m in the market for an AV receiver. I have a 7.1.2 configuration with focal aria 936 fronts and surrounds of the same series. I’m currently looking out for a marantz sr6015 and not really want to go down the separates and amplifiers path. So I was wondering whether the sr6015 can power my setup comfortably or do I need to get a power amp to help it out? Thank you.
Great question! Well, after experiencing the BasX A5, I'm always going to suggest powering some, if not all speakers with external amplifiers, to share the work load with the Marantz. You can definitely get by with just using the internal amps, for sure. It's powerful enough to get the job done. But you'll still get more detail and precision by using external amps with your Marantz. But you can do that down the road, for sure. Get the Marantz now, then maybe in 6 months or a year, get an external amp. There's no rush. Building a home theater slowly is your best bet.
Thank you so much for getting back. Sure, enjoying the upgrades at each step looks like the way to go. I'll probably be getting multiple amps once I save up and maybe finally end up with a processor replacing my reciever. Thanks mate.
@@abijithkumaran5824 I have marantz 8015 and was running 5.2.4 with both sub's powered and running all channels with low end Klipsch speakers and marantz was very hot. I just went to pre amp mode and added emotiva Bass x 7 and big difference. You sound like you're using lot higher end speakers than I am so just keep that in mind. It sounds a little better using the amp but I would always suggest going to separates if you can afford it. I'm going to upgrade my front three speakers and at a basics three channel amp and I'm done
tinned terminals makes no difference most are just snake oil. howev er cable density will play a major part in what is heard... However with no ratings into 6, 3, 2 or 1 ohms we will never know where emotiva sits when speakers dip lower than specified loads from 8-4 ohms even up to 21x6 at some point you are going to need a 1in 2-3 out processor if are trying to implement a proper sound stage for height and wide personally if i was going to use bas2-x as a cheap way into ht I would rather see XLR options rather than rca, because I would likely pair them with a processor form the get go rather than an avr
Yeah my next attempt at getting my hands on a relatively inexpensive external amp is the Outlaw 5000x which does have XLR and RCA inputs. I agree…I’d much rather have an XLR option. 👍
@@ealanosborne same here I own 2 sony and 1 denon AVR I have no issues in using RCA where applicable to do so... However if i'm going to using a denon/marantz/Emotiva/Yamaha/pioneer processors.. i would like the options of xlr as well as rca
Hey Ealan, loved the video!! I purchased the BasX A3 on your recommendation after it being out of stock for so long! I couldn't find the link to the RCA cable you mentioned in the description, could you the link to get the unbalanced RCA cable? Thank you and really appreciate it!
OMG! Silly me, I totally spaced putting the link in the description like I said I would! Haha! Whoops! It's in the description now, but here it is, too: Mogami Unbalanced RCA Patch Cable - On Amazon - amzn.to/3vNwFf5
As long as it has pre-outs for the main speaker channels, it’s all basically the same idea. Although I have an Onkyo TX-NR787 which is a 9 channel AVR that does NOT have pre-outs. So an external amp wouldn’t work. But I think all of the RZ line of Onkyo AVRs have pre-outs, if I’m not mistaken. 🙌
@@ealanosborne I own the 686 model so I will have a look and let you know if it has any pre outs but the amplifier is pretty powerful on its own but it definitely will be nice if I can add more power to it
@@Lowkey_nxthxn Yeah the TX-NR686 is like mine, but 7 channels, so it’s not equipped to accept an external amp, unfortunately. But I agree…I like the punch that my Onkyo’s internal amp has compared to the Denon X4700H that I tested out. Onkyo is launching some new AVRs this summer, so I’m stoked.
@@ealanosborne ohh shoot are they actually dropping new amps this summer and so you would say the onkyo is better then the Denon X4700 this is why I will not upgrade my onkyo anytime soon tell I actually need to upgrade it but I hear over the years the HDMI can decide overtime.
@@Lowkey_nxthxn yeah man. Everyone has their own loyalties to brands, etc. but I’ve enjoyed Onkyo a little more than Denon personally. Google the new lineup coming out! I’m excited for them!
@@ealanosborne Sorry one more question, I have a 5.2.4 Onkyo RZ50 system, but because of my setup I cannot place 7 speakers at ear level. I can mount 2 more speakers higher to make it a 5.2.6…suggestions please.
I have known for a very long time separates are the way to go. Until this year I was unable to comfortably afford going to separates. Once Emotiva introduced the new BasX line, I became intrigued. I already owned the Marantz SR6015 which can drive 11 channels, but needed a separate amp for the height/Atmos speakers. So I considered the A4 for those. In the end I just pulled the trigger and decided to balance the power across the entire field and purchased 3 BasX amps. 1 A3 and 2 A4s. Like you Ealan, I was impressed with the performance upgrade. True it was subtle, but also very noticeable. I will have to go back and re-watch the scenes you mentioned in this video. FYI, one of my goto scenes to view for audio is the Government Building Lobby scene in The Matrix. It is very impressive with the new setup.
@@stevenschwartzstein4502 I never noticed it getting hot before going to the separates, but it definitely doesn't get warm now. So if your SR6011 is getting warm/hot, then I would imagine this would help.
I bought recently Ta1 + bas x A7 and I think that only people that have been paid for promoting it, do this yt videos. In general this staff is cool and have a great fixtures comparing price to competition (except couple software bugs ex. DAC+PC). The only thing is missing is sound. So if you interested in audio might be reasonable do add 150-200$ and search further.
Have you aver experienced separate setup? I am interested, if going pros + amp will give even more detail and better Chanel separation. Or the result will be + / - like receiver + amp
@@ealanosborne I worth a try. The is an opinion that modern middle end pros , didn’t get any real difference 🤷♂️ It was long time ago, but not right now So, it will be an interesting video when you will try it
@@Vinsgmc It’s a difference, not only to mention that pre outs are not clipping when driven to much. The amps in receivers can drag the pre outs into clipping. Separates is always the best way to go for sound quality.
Great video, you are great at explaining in detail👍 When you are done connecting and and amp assigning, do you need to run audyssey again? And also, would it make sence to buy the A5, A7 instead of the A3. Im thinking the A3 has more power, but if I was to only use the FR, FL and center will they get more or equal the power as the A3? Does my question make sense😬
The short answer to your question is yes but not that much more. The higher up the Emotiva basX ladder you go, the lower power you get. The upside of going for a higher model is saving space & money. The downside is the power cap which will be especially noticeable if you have a not so efficient set of speakers. My recommendation would be to go for a modular setup. Use the A3 to power your center channel & surrounds and the A2 to power your front right & left. If you’re on budget, just get the A3 and power your LCR and if you get the A2 in the future, switch to the configuration I suggested above. And let your AVR handle the low load height/atmos speakers. Personally, I have the A3 that Im using to power my Klipsch LCR (RP-6000f ii & RP-504c ii). My Infinity AC fan doesn’t kick off as soon as it used to now. Before, it was running in max speed when watching movies.
Question: The pre-amp setup is confusing. Why is there an option when the pre-outs are live anyway? Asking because I just got Basx3 for my Marantz 8015 and wanted to amp the front stage (L, C, R) of course there isn't a 3 pre-out option. But the pre-outs are live so...
In the video linked below, I go over that, because it IS confusing, I know! 😄 Preamp mode is great, but it’s all or nothing. Kinda weird, but great if you’re powering ALL your speakers with external amps. Check out the vid for a breakdown: th-cam.com/video/7n8R4b_zrq0/w-d-xo.html
Great review! Im rethinking the A3 now and considering the A5 so that I know the full bed layer is as defined as it can be, clean 95w rms should be plenty... but this has made me NEED this upgrade, when I thought I only wanted it... so thanks 👍😅
My opinion: Get the A7 for 5 channel instead as it: 1. Has a 1000w psu allowing for "200w per channel" vs "140w" with the A5's 700w psu. This provides more headroom for each amp, especially for dynamic bursts. 2. Larger heatsink to dissipate the heat better 3. The logic? board is moved to the rear of the chassis further away from the amp board which may help lower and EMI between the two, and it has it's own cooling fan. 4. You have the option to add 2 more speakers later. But...at $600 you're also at OSD Black A5500 (old A5180) /Outlaw Audio's 5000x pricing, and has benched 134w all channels driven by Audioholics, and has Balanced XLR inputs.
@@andrewskaterrr makes sense, I hadn't realized the difference in specs, the A7 does sound like the way to go, then i can do the 2 atmos speakers aswell and run full preamp mode (all int amps off) on the x3700 🤔 where it should sound very clean, we dont have OSD or Outlaw unfortunately here in NZ, but we can get Emotiva.
@@calibre00 Sounds like a plan. Also, I would do some listening test with running the 2 atmos speakers off the receiver vs on the A7. I'd be curious if relieving the receiver ('s power supply) of all amp duty would improve sound more than having only the 2 atmos on the receiver still, and allowing all the 1000w for the 5 main channels. Having the amps turned off lowers the noise floor. I believe Amir from AudioScienceReview confirmed it in one of the Denon tests. x3600h review i think?
@@andrewskaterrr yes sounds good, it measures as well as the 3600h from what I can tell, if I find it underpowered I can always use the A7 for surround and future 4x Atmos, then put an A3 on the front 3... Hmm one day 👍
With a A5 can you biamp your 2tower and give juice to your central for exemple for a polk R700+R400 and let the 3700 manage the rest of your speaker ? will it recognize bi-amp+1
In theory, yes, you should be able to pull that off with an A5. Only tricky part is that you’ll need 2 RCA splitter cables to split the front left and right signals. Techno Dad has a quick video on this which I’ve linked below. 👍 th-cam.com/video/fPrGqu-_7VE/w-d-xo.html
Hey. Great video. I have a denon avr-x4100w. It doesn’t have the same amp assign options as the 4700h. How would i go about configuring this with my basxa5? I have 5 bed layer speakers and i just installed 4 in ceiling speakers.
Oof. Yikes. Tough question. According to the manual, you would first need to put it in Dolby Atmos 9.1 mode. But after that (at least according to the diagram) the external amp is only powering the rear height channels. It’s not absolutely clear if the rest of the channels are considered “always on and ready” for an external amp signal, but I would assume so? Since on the back you still have pre-outs for all channels. 🤷♂️ It may be a software limitation in which when you DO use an external amp, you have to at LEAST power your Rear Heights with your BasX A5. Beyond that, I think it’s fair game. So that being said, try to power the Rear Heights, Front Left, Center, Front Right with the A5. Or even try powering all 5 bed layer speakers in the Dolby Atmos 9.1 mode…but that might mean nothing will come out of Rear Height channels? Experimentation, yay! 😄🙌
The more I review for this channel, the more I’m starting to realize that numbers are just numbers. My ears definitely noticed a difference using the A5 versus the AVR’s internal amps. Hopefully soon I can do a proper comparison of two external amps to see if the numbers truly make much of a difference. 👍
Is it possible to hook 5.0 all from my denon 3400h to the a5 ? And if i go with 2 more channels like front highs, can i set them to the denon and the front,center and rear speakers to the emotiva ?
Oh cool! The x3400h must’ve been the last 7 channel AVR Denon offered with a full set of pre outs before only putting that on 9 channel AVRs. 👍 Looking at the manual, it definitely looks like you could do exactly that - use the A5 for your ear-level speakers, and assign the surround back Denon speaker terminals to power your heights. 🤘
Hey Ealan !!! I finally got a BasX 3 Amp from Emotiva. Question if you don't mind, I only have the Sony STR DH-790 which has no Pre Outs, will the Patch cables be good enough to use like you did on the demonstrating here and then plug the speakers obviously on the amp? the Sony doesn't have a Trigger in or out so I guess I have to turn the amp on seperately. Hope you can answer if you have chance. Understand you're busy. Maybe someone can answer for me here somehow. Editing this...Ealan also I just realized that the Patch cable I'll need for the receiver will have to be different end to end cause the reciever only has speaker type connection with banana or press clips ( I guess they call it that) cause I won't be able to connect it in the way you showed in the video? Is there still a WAY? Are there patch cables that have 2 different ends? I don't think I can plug the patch cable to the AUDIO CD/DVD/Bluray/TV/CATV RCA connection. Apologize for the questions , but I don't know what to exactly do and I don't have the money to get a Denon or $1,000+ AV receiver. Please help me if you don't mind.
Yeah, I'm sorry, man...using an external amp only works with the more expensive AVRs with a full set of pre-outs. 😬 That's how external amps work - the (RCA) patch cables take the audio signal away before it gets to the AVR's internal amp, sends it to the external amp, which then sends the externally powered signal to the speakers. There used to be 7 channel amps that had a full set of pre-outs, but that's just not the case anymore. I do apologize that you're in this situation, but it's the truth. Either you wait it out until you can save up for an AVR with a full set of pre-outs, or maybe just return the BasX A3 and try again later when you can get both a BasX A3 and a $1,000+ AVR. 😕
I haven’t had too much experience with the big dogs yet (like Arcam, Anthem, NAD), but what I do know is their sound is a bit subjective, as well as their proprietary room correction software. So I would say a Denon+BasX A5 combo would be…different. But from what I experienced with external amps, I would say it’s ALWAYS going to perform a little better than when a receiver has to do audio processing AND amplifying. 🤷♂️
I hope to have some hookups with Bose and Sony soon, but until then, I can’t exactly afford to buy them outright just for reviewing purposes. Some day though! 😄🤘
Thanks, I know it’s an old video, but convinced me to get the A3 to use for my front stage. I have a Yamaha RX-A2080. Might not be much difference, but I was getting upgraditist.
Investing in external amps is good either way, because if you decide to get a different AVR or preamp processor, you can still use those same amps for years to come. 🤘
Just watching this video again 5/6 months later… I now own the BazX A4. I love it!! Great work my friend!! BOOM
Man, your videos just keep getting better and better. That intro 😂. On the technical side, I saw other videos explaining the pros of having a dedicated processor in how much detailed and precise the sound was, but was unaware that using external amps with an AVR also would improve on that aspect. I thought it would just provide more power output. This was indeed, as always, as informative as it was entertaining. Well done 👍
Thanks, man! Took some time on this one. 😄 And yeah, I was surprised how much of a difference it made without being complete separates. 🙌
I picked up the Emotiva BasX A3 and it made a difference to my front sound stage. Now the sound better matches my 92-inch screen with a 4K HDR image. The Ambiance of sounds such as the jingling of keys, the rustling of leaves, and the wind blowing through tall grass is impressive. The front stage of sound also sounds more dynamic and a foot closer. Lastly, the side speakers now blend better with the fronts. I JUST ordered the Emotiva BasX A4 to power my side and rear surrounds (don't tell my spouse).
Duuuuude, right?! It’s the subtle things that are now so noticeable! And yeah…as far as the wife is concerned, my lips are SEALED! 🤐😄
@@ealanosborne oh, and voices sound a lot better. Less muffled.
Nice! I’m about to order the basX 3 today. Current set up. 5.2.2. Klipsch Dolby up-firing, subs duel klipsch 120sw on Pioneer LX505. Going to connect front three to basX and next month bring in rear height and a Svs pb 4000 👀
Thank you for this video.I just bought the Bassx A 5.I like many others thought it was just about more power.
Hey awesome video once again!! Nice intro though!! Come with some videos on room acoustic panels and bass traps 🪤!! Waiting for that too frm u’! Keep rocking bro!
If you do indeed only have a 5 channel setup then you should select the pre amplifier mode. Even with pre outs being used the internal amps in the AVR are still engaged, with the pre amp mode it actually turns off all internal amps and might provide even more separation. Just something to try, anyways great video. You sir have earned another subscriber👍
Yes! That’s a fantastic idea! Once I can afford it, I’m definitely going to have enough amps to select preamp mode. 👍 And thanks for the sub! 🎉
I'm going to do this once I get my A5. I screenshot this convo. I want more information on exactly how to do this
Could you explain this more? I currently have the A3 and am waiting for rz50 to set up a 7.2.4 atmos. You are suggesting to use the avr in preamp mode?
You don't have any load connected to the internal amps, it's just an open circuit when you're only using the preouts. How is the receiver gonna send any power to the internal amps and how will you get any more separation?
I totally agree. I thought my Denon 4700h would be enough for my 7.1.2 system. But adding the A5 is amazing. Use the AVR do the processing (Denon is excellent) and Emotiva for power.
Is this really a big difference ? I mean, really ?
I have the Denon AVR-4400H and bought the XPA5 which is just on another level from the receiver's built in amps. Sounds way better on music and movies. BassX A4 for 4 overhead height speakers and way more detailed too. Enjoy 🎯
Your reviews are top notch!! Your approach is very entertaining!!
The humor keeps me watching all the way through!!
For the life of me I can't understand why you don't have more subscribers than all those other fan boys who keep fluffing each other in thier high school circles 🤔
Keep up the awesome videos 🤘👍👌👏
Now a quick question, which Emotiva would you recommend for my 5.2.1 setup? Should I use any power from my Onkyo Rz820 AVR power or just go all the way with the 7 channel Emotiva?
Thanks in advance for your input 🤘
Wow! Thanks so much for the compliments! Doing the best I can with trying to stand out from the crowd. 😀
As far as the Emotiva, now that I’ve experienced supplementing an AVR’s power with an ext amp, I’m a big fan of alleviating as much of the AVR’s power as possible.
So yeah, I would get the A7 to power all speakers, to allow the AVR to just be a processor. Sharing the load like that opens up everything and power distribution is fantastic. 🤘🙌
@@ealanosborne Thank you very much for the input 🤘👌
I will do just that! 👍
Having a similar setup, you do not have to set 5 chanels and surround back and you do not have to configure the front speakers to preout. It all happens automatically, even while choosing 5 speakers only without configuring preout for the front speakers
I read that the preout is always active on all channels. However, I wonder if not explicitly configuring the preout channels will affect the sound processing algorithm (if that’s a thing). I don’t know how AVRs process and distribute sound hence my curiosity.
Great work. You deserve more subcribers
That’s the goal! 😀 Thanks for watching!
I agree, I don’t want to make assumptions and say that this gentleman isn’t some full-blown audiophile, who’s has been listening to hi-fi gear for years and years because he might be. But I don’t get that vibe. I am enjoying what feels like to me a kind of fresh take on audio gear shot in a really fun and well done fashion.
@@CoffeeTC Awww, thanks Josh. 😊
I absolutely agree 100%!
Good video, Ealan. 👍🏻
I’m in the UK and my BasX A3 is hopefully just less than a week away from delivery. I’ve purchased this for the exact reasons you’ve described; to free up some capacity from my Marantz SR7011. 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks! Making this one was a doozy. 😄 I’m excited for your A3 arrival! 🙌
@@ealanosborne thank you. Yes, me too. I’ve ordered some Arendal Sound 1723S speakers, too, so will be doing some simple videos on those when they arrive. Neither are overly common on TH-cam videos as yet. Fun fun. 🤩
Here's something to try: Open up the Onkyo and find where the internal amps are, then from there you can find the preamps, then from there, wire an RCA female connection to each channel, then connect the emotiva to those and see if you get the same sound quality you found with the Denon preouts? If this works, it would definitely beat spending a whole grand on a new avr.
Another awesome video that confirmed my thoughts and direction i needed to head in. Looks like I need a 5ch amp because my RZ50 is already maxed out. When i brought the RZ50 i thought this would do me for years it was so much more then what i had but now i am hooked. I was already looking at Emotiva they seem like the best value and are a nice size.
Do it!!! 😁
Very useful video. Although a year old now (Jan 2023) it is still highly relevant. So I just ordered an A5 via your site, along with RCA cables. Emotiva's price on cables was less ($20 vs $24 for 6 foot Mogami) for, I presume, similar quality. Should really enhance my 7.2.4 with Denon 3600h. Thank you for providing a valuable service.
Thank you for the kind words. Truly appreciate it. 😎
Great video. I'm recommending your channel going forward.
I've been stuck in trying to decide between a couple of BasX amps to run my 5.1.4 (A3 along with the A7) or just biting the bullet and getting the Monolith by Monoprice 9-Channel amp. The Monolith is obviously more expensive (considerably), but I can't shake the thought of never having to re-buy an amp. And having the amp power all in one box seems like a much easier solution. More power, plus balance XLRs in case I ever decide to jump into the pre-pro waters.
Thanks for the compliments! And yeah…such is the dilemma with home theater. Since you seem to already have that goal in sight to get separates some day, might as well go for the investment of a Monolith 9 channel amp.
Although since the latest BasX line seems super popular right now, I bet resale value will still hold its value for a long time. So you could maybe have a future plan of 1) budget amps 2) preamp 3) monolith amp? And use the proceeds from selling the BasX amps to help buy the monolith. Something to consider. Although the A3 is sold out right now. Everyone wanted their hands on that!
@@ealanosborne I think I overthought my plan. I was going to bring in the A7 first and then add the A3 once it became available to run my front stage (with the A7 running my surrounds and 4 atmos (90w per channel)). But that setup would have cost me $1200 USD. It would have also left the amp on my Denon 3600 being unused and 1 output on the A7 that would have been unused as well.
Now I'm thinking a combo of the A3 and A4. $1000USD. A3 for the front stage (140w per channel). A4 for Atmos (100w per channel). Receiver for Surrounds (105w per channel). That combo gives my surrounds and atmos "more power", makes use of the receiver amp, has no unused channels on either of the BasX amps, and would be $200 cheaper.
That seems like the better plan.
@@stevencouto3025 I agree! 🙌
@@ealanosborne A3s back in stock. Got both it and the A4 ordered. Shipping cost to Canada = Brutal!
@@stevencouto3025 I hearted this not because of the shipping, but because they’re back in stock. 😄🙌
Picked up a5 been seating for weeks but will hook it up this week
Hello Ealan, the vids are great entertaining and informative plus that touch of comedy is much appreciated. I had a stupid question, could and old receiver be used as an amplifier to my new receiver?
Thank you!
Typically the only receivers that can be used as amps are the more expensive kind that have a section labeled “7.1 analog input” or something to that effect. So that way you can accept an analog audio signal that doesn’t need to be processed, just amplified. 🤘
brilliantly hilarious- have a similar set up as yours and just ordered the BASX A5
Niiiice! 🎉
I wish emotiva would bring back that entry level processor that paired with these amps. it would be nice to build a stack that wasnt much more taller than the receiver. honestly thats why i dont have separates due to lack of real estate.
I keep seeing mention of an upcoming Basx processor on the horizon. I don’t know if you follow the Emotiva page on Facebook but you should keep an eye out there
Ealaaaaaaan!!! another good video. Yeah, I've been thinking of getting an BasX A2. Do you think it's good enough? Or the A3 for the Fronts and the Center? I'm on a Budget. I totally get what your saying about letting the External amp do alot of the load for the AVR.
Still happy with my Sony AVR 790 and Klipsch reference and Klipsch R41 Bookshelves. I still don't know if I have my Reciever adjusted right for my speakers. I've been lazy lately on reading the book lol. Plus been busy with work and stuff.
BTW, you ever watch youtube cheapaudioman? I like his stuff too. He got me on the Sony SSCS-5 Bookshelve speakers. thanks Ealan for another great video and nice home you got there.
why not go with the A3 if you can afford it
@@bigboots6114 yeah was thinking of that. Its says its temporarily unavailable. But yeah I think that's what I'll do when they have it
I got the Basx A2 to drive the front speakers which are ML 60xts which are rated 4ohms. My receiver which is the Marantz SR7013 drives the center and surround speakers. I would have got the A3 but it would have been a waste power to use the Marantz to only drive the surrounds. Without a doubt I will say that the A2 is really great with producing the sound of my favorite go to test dvd which is the Hobbit - Battle of Five Armies.
@@ferrisburgh802 why would it be a waste?
In the uk the a5 is $920 (£ 720) I'm unsure weather to buy this or "upgrade " my denon 3700 for an additional £1000 to either the 6700 or marantz 8015 . ( trade in offer) what do you think will give best audio upgrade? @@ferrisburgh802
That's how I felt when I replaced my 20 year old Pioneer ElitE receiver with my new Anthem MRX 740. I've been re-watching hundreds of movies and loving every minute of it. I'm waiting for the BasX A4 to be back in stock so I can power four PSB Imagine XA Atmos speakers. The MRX 740 only has seven powered channels (ouch!). I plan to let the AVR power my bed level speakers as it has proven itself a good performer.
Yeah, I’ve always thought that was a bit unique with the MRX 740 only having 7 internal amps, but being able to process so much more than that! Like an AVR/Preamp hybrid. But I’ve heard nothing but people raging about how incredible the Anthem sound is. 🙌 Hopefully those A4s are back in stock ASAP!
Ugh…the Anthem 740 doesn’t have Auro 3D. There’s always a catch with every setup.
Dude! Great review! You gotta revisit Phantom Menace!
I enjoy your videos. Informative and very creative. Keep up the great work.
Thank you very much!
Does the five channel amp automatically recognize if the receiver is outputting pure-direct audio in only two channels? Will it bridge the power and shut off the lights of the channels not receiving signals.?
Although I already know all of this and use external amplification, I really enjoy your videos, great explanations with a twist of humor. Did you ever compare pre/pro vs receiver with external amp?
Thanks! I plan on making that comparison pretty soon after my testing theater is finished! 🤘
@@ealanosborne Awesome! How’s it coming along?
@@htenthusiast2897 Slowly, still. 😕 Electrical issues now is currently stalling the process. Always something, right? 😄 But progress nonetheless. I’m mounting speakers in the meantime. It’ll be done some day! Haha!
@@ealanosborne oh well, although DIY comes with great reward the work involved typically goes well beyond our wildest imagination. Keep going! 🤙🏻
I only made it 2 min in and your the man. Great intro bro
Thank you very much!
Best video out there! Subscribed.
Thank you!!! 🤘
I want to purchase an BasX A3...my question is will my Onkyo RZ50's preouts have enough power to drive the A3, and how do you determine the preout wattage...or how much preout wattage is needed to drive power amplifers.
Since it’s a pre out, it’s taking the audio signal pre - or before - it hits the internal amp at all. So there’s no wattage involved with pre outs. Voltage, yes, but just because it’s an electronic device that runs in electricity. So the RZ50 is only sending the audio signal to the A3, which then the A3 alone powers 3 of your speakers.
That’s the really cool thing about adding external amps to any system - your essentially relieving the AVR from having to do EVERYTHING (video switching, audio processing, powering your speakers), so you’re helping it perform better by making it do less. Make sense? ☺️
@@ealanosborne Makes perfect sense…but let’s take this a little further, is there something I can buy to take the video switching/ audio processing from the AVR? Or would that be overkill.
@@mptobler1 If I’m understanding your question right, that’s what a preamp processor is, like the Emotiva MC1, IOTA AVX17 or Marantz AV 10. No amps inside, so you HAVE to power your speakers exclusively with external amps.
Have you aver experienced separate setup? I am interested, if going pros + amp will give even more detail and better Chanel separation. Or the result will be + / - like receiver + amp
I got the A3 and it is decent, but has a nasty pop when it powers up. Also under heavy load the fans are loud.
Are you using the trigger cable that came with Emotiva amp? If yes, use the one that came with the AVR. This should solve the pop noise problem.
I have an x3800h. It has one pair of front pre-outs. How can I bi-amp the BASX A5? Or its automatically does it's job? thanks
You need an RCA Y-splitter. But I also made a video about it! 😁👇
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thanks for the fast answer, and great vids 😉
Wondering where the subwoofer is plugged in? I have a new Marantz SR5001 and a Marantz MM9000 that now has a fuzzy right front channel that will cost more to repair than the cost of this amp. I think I can get by with the BASX A5, and still use the MM9000 to drive the sub. Thoughts?
Hey Ealan, I have 5.2.2 setup with Denon 4400h. Planning to get A3 from ur link. May I know what settings to choose to power up LCR? (Amp assign and settings to select)
If I cannot externally power the front stage then no point getting A3. Having rp280f's and rp450c in my front stage.
Yes, you can power your LCR with a BasX A3. Within the Denon's software it's a bit tricky, though. Not like how you would think at first:
In the Amp Assign page, choose 11.1, for Floor speakers, choose 5ch+SB. Height channels choose 4ch to max out the Denon's internal amps and engage the pre out section. In the pre out section, choose Front to have your L/R speakers powered externally.
Then go back to the previous menu page and go into Speaker Config. In there, you would select front speakers, center, 2 subwoofers, 2 surrounds, surround back "none," Front height to 2, and Rear Height to "none."
So basically you're telling the software to assign a 7.2.4 setup, but then selecting a Speaker Config of 5.2.2. Pretty weird, but that's just how it works. :) I hope that makes sense!
When the time comes, check out my video on Atmos configurations. I don't specifically go over a 5.2.2 setup with an external amp, but it should help.
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Hi, thanks for the reply. L/R speakers powered as you have mentioned. But I don't see an option to select center channel to power externally?
Even if I use the pre out of Center channel, will the denon internal amps draw power for the center channel(active)?
@@balajis7719 No. Front L/R are the only pre outs in your case that need to be assigned. All other pre outs (including center) will just be "on" and ready for a signal if you plug an RCA cable into its corresponding pre out port. And since an RCA cable would be plugged into your center, that disengages the internal amp for the center channel.
Thanks Ealan. In future post a video how to use amplification and explanation about preout and it disables internal amps like that
great details… thanks for the video!
Question: It was shown, from BasX A5 Trigger out can be connected to another Amplifier’s Trigger Input to power more 4 speakers, so from AVR like 3700h we have to connect 4 more preouts with RCA’s to the second Amp with 4 extra speakers wires connected to second amp, correct?
And also as you know, in the Denon 3700h- there is a ‘Pre Amplifier’ Amp assign config which can shut off all the internal AVR amps- so ultimately when we connect two power amps with all 9 speakers sounding from the amps, receiving audio signals from AVR, right?
That’s correct! You would just connect 4 more RCA cables to the additional pre-outs necessary. But yes, you also could just use “preamp” mode to turn all the internal amps off.
Although I guess the only scenario you’d still need to use 2 internal amps is if you only had 9 external amp channels and wanted to process a total of 11 channels. Although in my example, I probably should’ve done a hypothetical 3 channel + 2 channel amp or something. 🤷♂️😄 So many configurations and possibilities!
Great product I enjoy the video clip. Will it on Apple tv when I watching a movie? Cheers
I know on the Denon you can Pre out the front 3. Is it possible to pre out the front 3 and side and rear surrounds. i already have a BasX A3. Im thinking of getting the A4 for the 4 surround speakers.
Which Denon are we talking about?
@@ealanosborne I have the x4300h
@@89JAEH Sweet! Okay, yeah, you can definitely add an A4 to power the rest of your surrounds no problem, especially since the x4300h has 2 trigger outputs, so both amps can react when the x4300h turns on or off. 🤘
@@ealanosborne So along as the Denon is set to the fronts to pre out it will know that rest of the speakers are getting powered by an amp?
@@89JAEH Correct! 🙌
Great video just what I needed Thanks
And thank you for watching! 😀🙌
Hi Ealan, I have heard of discrepancies in the specs published on the website for the BasX amps vs on the included manual with the actual amp. Could you kindly share the specs of all amps listed in the included manual you've received with your A5 please?
Oh, I hadn't heard of that! Interesting! Although I had to send back the A5 once I was done reviewing it, otherwise I'd look at the manual with my own eyes right now! Sorry!
@@ealanosborne thanks for your reply mate. I'm having the worst ever sales and customer service from Emotiva! I ordered an A3 on 26th July and still they haven't shipped it in a month. When I started questioning them one of the sales rep suggested me to cancel the order or get the A5 which according to her would give out similar wattage output!
"Breanna says:
A5- 140 watts RMS per channel; 20 Hz - 20 kHz; THD < 0.1%; into 8 Ohms.
200 watts RMS per channel; 1 kHz; THD < 1%; into 4 Ohms.
The Power will be similar, but not more." (Website says different.)
Then she goes on...
Breanna says:
Hello Dewan, We can cancel your order if you'd like?
@@dewansyeem Whoa, sorry for the rough customer service experience, mate! I’ve only had positive experiences so far from them! And yeah, those specs given to you over the phone are what the A3 is rated, not the A5, which is rated 95 watts per channel. 🤷♂️
But as I mentioned in my review of the A5, it’s not exactly just power ratings that matter. Any receiver will greatly benefit from using external amps to power your speakers. That’s why it still sounding better when I used the A5, regardless of power ratings. So there’s that? 😄 I dunno…just my opinion, though. Sorry again for your experience so far. I do know that A3 always sells out almost immediately when it’s back in stock.
Hello if you want you can have the back surround by using the Denon amplifiers because there 5 channels not been used right? I have the Denon you showed x4700h and I'm thinking to buy the basx A2 to power the front l/r is that a big improvement on the front l/r for both stereo music and the home theater I have hard to drive speakers and they are 200/280 watts and 4 ohms and I can have a 7.2.4 with the basx A2 right?
That’s correct! And yes, it will improve your front soundstage for both music and home theater! 🤘
Great video , Thanks for the info
I have the a 5.1.4 system and I just received my Basx5. This one will be connected to my Denon x4300h, since I have 4 in ceiling speakers which I’m planning to use a basx4 amp for them, how do I assign the speakers to connect the front and surround back speakers, any advice will be appreciated.
Lemme know if this helps!
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I have the Klipsch RF 82 ii 34hz - 24khz. What crossover frequency can I use.
You might wanna try setting them to Large or full bandwidth first. You might like that, since they’re beefy tower speakers. Otherwise, I’d try 50-60 Hz, depending on what your AVR can set as a crossover frequency. 👍
I'm currently running a 5.1 Klipsch RP speaker system with my Yamaha TSR 700. Was wondering if an amp would make any difference but I think this video is definitely pushing me to get a better AVR and a separate amp
It would make a difference, although the TSR-700 can only have the front left and right speakers powered by an external amp. But that’s better than any other 7 channel AVR! 😀
But yes, a better AVR might be a solid future investment! That Onkyo RZ50 seems to be the apex for diminishing returns when it comes to how much you spend vs the quality you get. Available in October, I believe. 👍
@@ealanosborne Oh nice, I was originally eyeing the Denon 3700H, seems like that was the go to. Any reason to hold out for the Onkyo over the denon? I know more recently built 3700H units have the 2.1 bug fixed and built into the unit instead of an external box.
@@zergslayer69 Eh, I guess it’s just brand preference at that point. The Onkyo is THX certified, so there’s that, if it makes any difference to you. But yeah, they’re pretty comparable.
@@ealanosborne I suppose at this point may as well buy a 2021 model unless the 2020 model is much cheaper
@@zergslayer69 Yes, might as well. No HDMI 2.1 issues to deal with. 😀🙌
Hi, very nice video and it included the setup in the Denon receiver that I haven't seen anyone else shown. I'm new to learning about amplifiers so trying to understand more before I decide what to purchase. I recently got the Denon anniversary AVR-A110 13.2 channel receiver and will be using all the 13.2 channels. Have Klipsch RF8000F as front channels. Center is Polk LSiM706. Other surround speakers are a combination of Klipsch Atmos, Kef bookshelf and one pair of SVS Prime elevation. Do I need an external amplifier to drive all these or is the receiver able to handle these? Another question, if I get the 3 channel amplifier for just the front stage, is there a way to turn off the power to those channels in the receiver so the power is distributed to the other channels or does it really matter because no speaker will be connected to those channels? Thanks.
Wow!!! That’s the flagship beast AVR from Denon. NICE! In answer to your questions, no, you wouldn’t need an external amp to power up to a 13.2 channel configuration.
But, it is always a good thing to share the load with some external amps wherever possible. So if you did get the A3, and assigned it to your front soundstage, yes, that would essentially turn off those 3 amps inside of the Denon since no signal is reaching them. 👍 That’s gonna be a man incredible setup!
Hey Elan, have you tried a Crown amp, like the "new" Crown XLS 1002? They have a lot of power for a low cost. I have recently bougt a Denon AVC-3700H witch have pre outs, and now I am curius to know what you think. Especially compared to the much lower powered Emotiva🤨
Oh wow! Those look legit! I haven’t gotten my hands on them, but now I want to! 🤘
You have another subscriber😁😁😁 the little Details Matter
Hell yeah they do! 😄 And thanks for the sub!
I have the BasX A5 on the way but I have also purchased the XPA-5 GEN3 both from Emotiva. I’m trying to decide is all the power from the XPA-5 needed for a Klipsch 5.2.4 setup? (RP8000fx2, RC64iii, RP600Mx2) amp and x4 RP500SA Dolby atmos ran on Denon x4700h?
Dual SVS Pb-3000s.
Maybe not too necessary, but you at least have monster speakers that can handle the power of the XPA-5, especially your RC64iii.
But as I stated in the video, it’s not 100% about the power behind the amp. It’s also about lifting the audio processing burden on the X4700H. With an XPA-5 and BasX A5, you might as well put your Denon in “preamp mode” so it doesn’t use any internal amps at all, which will be a fantastic experience. 🙌
@@ealanosborne thank you so much for the feedback. The BasX A5 would be the better choice obviously for money lol. I just didn’t want to regret not getting more power later. I was hoping the cheaper option would be plenty enough power due to the sensitivity of the speakers. Of course keeping both would probably work great as well, just not so friendly to the budget lol.
Great video as I’m thinking of diving into external amps for the first time. Any idea how the XPA compares in sound quality to the BasX? The BasX price point almost seems too good to be true. I know the XPA offers balanced outputs. I’m more interested in sound quality of the two. Thanks
Yeah, the XPA line will definitely sound better. More power, and balanced outputs will have such a clean signal. So if it’s in your budget, go for it. But the BasX line is easy on the wallet if you didn’t want to spend too much. It does the job for the price, and then some. But the XPA line is expensive for a reason. Just a whole new level of amp. 👍
@@ealanosborne I’ve happy with the “sound” of my pioneer elite sc-05. Will the BasX or XPA alter the sound I’m used to or simply make it “better” more detailed sonically? Thanks
@@bluesteblue7822 It shouldn’t add any coloration to it much. Just share the load and bring out the best in your Pioneer. 👍
My avr don't have preouts will be using roussound adaptors
Awesome video, very entertaining!
Question regarding the a5 amp:
Is 95 watts into each channel sufficient to have a great atmos experience? Or should I aim for more watts per channel with a different amplifier? I currently have 7.2.4 setup with the denon 4700h.
Thanks for the compliments! And yes, I thought the use of the A5 greatly improved the separation of audio across the soundstage and improved the overall distribution of power across the speakers. 👍
Thanks for the reply.
Do you feel you had a great experience because you have 4 ohm speakers? Or will the a5 provide the same great experience with 8 ohm speakers?
@@satii24 No, I don’t think it was because of the 4 ohm speakers. Don’t think of it as pure power that is improved - it just allows your X4700H to process sound better when it doesn’t have to worry about powering 5 main speakers. It’s wild to hear in person. 😄🤘
Unless you have a really, really big room, 95 watts/channel is PLENTY for the average speaker. Some speakers, like electrostatics (Martin Logan) really require very large amounts of power and 95W might not cut it. There are also a few conventional speakers that are very power hungry. Still, for 90% of the speakers out there? Yes, 95W/channel is plenty.
Modern AVR’s just can’t amplify well, and Denon’s amps usually measure the best, they’re just no match for external amps. Good news is Denon’s preouts measure well too.
Great video! Subscribed!
Thank you very much!
Very informative video! Awesome job.
Thank you!!!
Love this video my guy!!
Thanks, Joe!!! 🙌
@@ealanosborne love your work brother, gets better every video I swear...
Is it possible for me to use my old Yamaha 673 to power my front stage, or is it too old. I do have pre outs on my AV receiver.
Taking a look at the rear connections of that Yamaha, it doesn’t look it supports being a standalone amp, sorry. ☹️
@@ealanosborne Cant afford the Emotiva right now (still paying off my rz50) is there any econimal, cheap suggestions I could do until I save up for Emotiva?
Hi,
I want to upgrade my system with Emotiva BasX A3, with my Denon AVR-X4700H & Polk Reserve R600 & R400 for my front stage. Is this combination will be right for me to improve the sound quality, dynamics & shifting the load off from AVR that will improve the surround speakers R100 & Atmos speakers performance.
What is Your advice, your suggestion will be great help for me.
Yes, it will help improve performance for your x4700h! And an A3 for your front stage is a great place to start! 👍
@@ealanosborne Thanks for your guidance & replying back...👍🏼
"I am Torgo. I take care of the place while the Master is away"
Would you say that the external amp made your Denon 4700 sound much more expensive for example like an $2000 - $3000 avr. And also I was wondering if the sound of the subwoofer improved. I know it has its own amplification but because the processing on the 4700 improved I am thinking it might send better signal to the subwoofer. Thank you.
I would say yes, I made it sound more expensive (given that external amps cost additional money, so technically they do make it more expensive 😄), but yes! The way in which it brought out details I hadn’t heard before so clearly, you could say it made it sound like an AVR that costs much more!
And no…didn’t really improve the subwoofer experience since it’s not really tied to the AVR’s internal amp performance. But I’m sure I could improve the subwoofer experience with a miniDSP and reworking REW if I wanted to. Trust me, there’s ALWAYS room for improvement on subwoofers. It’s a science all in and of itself. 😳🤘
@@ealanosborne Hi once again thank you for answering. Did it also make your speakers sound fuller and bigger in scale. Accordind to reviewers, with the Emotiva Basx amps the detail and seperation is there but I dont seem to remember anyone talking about the scale of the sound and how much more room filling these amps can be.
Bas x a5 is $920 ( £720) in uk. What do you think is the best idea, I can upgrade my denon 3700 to a 6700 or a marantz 8015 for £900 ( trade in offer) or buy the emotiva 5 for £720. Running 5.2.4 , won't ever need more channels or hdmi's just looking to improve my audio .
Since all you need is 5.2.4, definitely invest in external amps at this point with your X3700H. The X6700H and SR8015 basically just get you more HDMI inputs and more channels, which you don’t need, so getting the BasX A5 should be your next step to upgrade the quality of your audio. 🎉
@@ealanosborne thank you for your advice my friend. I'll definitely check it out.
I have a Sony 3100ES, I’m looking for at least a 2 channel amp so I may run rear atmos. Do these Amps really sound that much better than what the AVRs offer? Should I just go to the 5 channel you reviewed?
It's not exactly the amp that sounds better, it's just that the amp assisting with the power management of the speakers translates to the receiver being able to process audio better, which results in finer details coming to the forefront that were kind of hidden before. So yeah, if you could afford it, go for an A5 or A7, because any amount of tag-teaming between an amp and a receiver results in some killer audio processing. 👍
@@ealanosborne thanks man! I think I’ll got with the 5 you reviewed!!!
Just what I was looking for but I am still stumped!!! I have a Denon 4700 but have a 2 channel Emotiva amp for my fronts and I cant figure out how to get the other channels to work through the receiver only, the two fronts work through the amp. I have it set up the same as you, Any ideas?
Huh…that’s odd, to say the least. So when you say you have it set up the same as me, does that mean 5.2.4? Which configuration are we talkin’?
@@ealanosborne I actually have a 5.2.2, with the fronts hooked up with RCA cables to my 2 channel amp and the rest connected to the receiver.
@@bchboy1206 Hmmm…In Amp Assign, as long as you have your Amp Mode set to 11.1, Floor set to 5 Ch, Height set to 2 Ch and pre-out set to Front, should be good there. Then in Speaker Config, make sure all your speakers are set to Small and surround back turned to None. That takes care of the software. And as long as you have your RCA cables going from the 2 Front pre-outs on the back of the Denon to the RCA inputs of the BasX, and trigger cable connected from Denon Trigger Out to BasX Trigger In - all should be well! I do have a more in-depth video coming out on Friday about several different Atmos setups on the Denon. 🙌
@@ealanosborne Hey Thanks for all the help! I just ordered an Outlaw 7000x and problem will be solved. I wanted to get it eventually so I guess now is as good as ever! LOL Thanks again!
@@bchboy1206 OMG! I know I had that BasX on loan from Emotiva, but I have my eyes laser focused on that Outlaw amp for the future. Hopefully Outlaw hears my cries, cuz it’s been hard to get a response. Might have to just buy one outright. 😄 I’m excited for you to add that to your system, tho! 🙌🙌
So do the extra channels on the denon work also after this amp is hooked up?
Correct. Anytime you introduce an external amp, it unlocks the processing power for up to 11 channels. 🤘
@@ealanosborne awesome man, thanks !
Great Video!
Hello
After watching your video, I’m considering either the Emotiva Bassx A3 or the A5. I can see A3 will provide my front stage great power where I feel I’m starved. The A5 will assist the rear surrounds but at a lesser wattage. Do you mind providing me your professional opinion on which one I should purchase?
My Home Theatre
All Klipcsh Speakers
Front height pair - RP 500
Middle height pair - R 40
Rear surround pair - R 40
Center channel speaker - RP 504C
Front Floor Speakers - R 800
Sub Woofers - Two - R115 SW
AVR
Dennon AVR-4800H Powering all except the subs.
I think you could get away with an A5, since a) you have all Klipsch speakers which are notoriously sensitive and typically don’t need a ton of power to get loud, and 2) the R40 and R800F speakers don’t need much power as it is since they are the Reference Series. I’d say you’d need more power if ALL your speakers were Reference Premiere Series speakers, like your center channel, just for future reference. 😊 But the A5 should do well with your current system. 🎉
Hi Ealone,
Do you have any opinion on replacing my Dennon AVR 4800H? Even though it’s a few years old, I still like how easy it is to utilize and I like the software set up. I’ve also put several HEOS speakers throughout my house and garage. Just wondering what your professional opinion might be since this receiver is becoming somewhat dated. Perhaps I can just stick with the plan of obtaining the A5, and later upgrading to a different Dennon or Marantz in the years to come. Your logical thoughts would be appreciated.
@@rubjim2 The x4800H should last you many many years, considering it supports HDMI 2.1, 8K video signals, Dirac Live (if you wanna pay extra), a full set of pre outs, and up to 4 subwoofers. It is extremely future proof. So yes, I would invest in external amps at this point, slowly acquiring more over time so that ALL of your speakers can be powered externally. At that point, I think you’d really only need to upgrade the AVR if you want to go bigger than 7.4.4. 👍
Excellent job explaining everything. Really well done. I just subscribed and gave you a like. I have a Pioneer Elite SC07 receiver and Vienna acoustics Hayden grand left, right and center channel speakers which are 4ohms. My rear surround are ceiling mono price. I also have a Martin Logan grotto I sub. You think this would be a good purchase to add to my set up? Thank you!
if I use 3 or 5 channels out of 7 in emotiva a7, could I get more power?!
Yes! The power rating listed is when ALL channels are driven. But the power increases the less channels are being used! 🙌
Good explain and workout
Hi my friend i have a arcam avr 10 with a emotiva a5 what is the best set up for 5.1.4 left right and center and soround on the emotiva or all atmos on the emotiva? Thanks
Hi Jose! Since your Atmos effects are going to be more subtle and atmospheric and intermittent, I would power your LCR and surrounds with the A5. Any receiver, no matter which brand, will perform better when the job of powering speakers is done by an external amp. 🤘
i bought the a3 for my x3700h,. and shes very happy with that,. so im planing to add more😙,. to amplify all that channel,. just waiting for me to hit the grand lotto😂
Yeesh, you and me both! Why is everything so expensive?! 😄
don't worry @@ealanosborne ,. i will lend you some if i hit it the next draw😅,. so you can sealed that window that mirroring on to your tv,. i also have that same little problem😅😅
Has this amp been Dyno tested?
Hello I’m in the market for an AV receiver. I have a 7.1.2 configuration with focal aria 936 fronts and surrounds of the same series. I’m currently looking out for a marantz sr6015 and not really want to go down the separates and amplifiers path. So I was wondering whether the sr6015 can power my setup comfortably or do I need to get a power amp to help it out? Thank you.
Great question! Well, after experiencing the BasX A5, I'm always going to suggest powering some, if not all speakers with external amplifiers, to share the work load with the Marantz.
You can definitely get by with just using the internal amps, for sure. It's powerful enough to get the job done. But you'll still get more detail and precision by using external amps with your Marantz. But you can do that down the road, for sure.
Get the Marantz now, then maybe in 6 months or a year, get an external amp. There's no rush. Building a home theater slowly is your best bet.
Thank you so much for getting back. Sure, enjoying the upgrades at each step looks like the way to go. I'll probably be getting multiple amps once I save up and maybe finally end up with a processor replacing my reciever. Thanks mate.
@@abijithkumaran5824 I have marantz 8015 and was running 5.2.4 with both sub's powered and running all channels with low end Klipsch speakers and marantz was very hot. I just went to pre amp mode and added emotiva Bass x 7 and big difference. You sound like you're using lot higher end speakers than I am so just keep that in mind. It sounds a little better using the amp but I would always suggest going to separates if you can afford it. I'm going to upgrade my front three speakers and at a basics three channel amp and I'm done
tinned terminals makes no difference most are just snake oil. howev er cable density will play a major part in what is heard...
However with no ratings into 6, 3, 2 or 1 ohms we will never know where emotiva sits when speakers dip lower than specified loads from 8-4 ohms
even up to 21x6 at some point you are going to need a 1in 2-3 out processor if are trying to implement a proper sound stage for height and wide
personally if i was going to use bas2-x as a cheap way into ht I would rather see XLR options rather than rca, because I would likely pair them with a processor form the get go
rather than an avr
Yeah my next attempt at getting my hands on a relatively inexpensive external amp is the Outlaw 5000x which does have XLR and RCA inputs. I agree…I’d much rather have an XLR option. 👍
@@ealanosborne same here
I own 2 sony and 1 denon AVR I have no issues in using RCA where applicable to do so...
However if i'm going to using a denon/marantz/Emotiva/Yamaha/pioneer processors..
i would like the options of xlr as well as rca
Good video
Thank you very much!
Hey Ealan, loved the video!! I purchased the BasX A3 on your recommendation after it being out of stock for so long! I couldn't find the link to the RCA cable you mentioned in the description, could you the link to get the unbalanced RCA cable? Thank you and really appreciate it!
OMG! Silly me, I totally spaced putting the link in the description like I said I would! Haha! Whoops! It's in the description now, but here it is, too:
Mogami Unbalanced RCA Patch Cable - On Amazon - amzn.to/3vNwFf5
@@ealanosborne Thank you for that!
How would you hook this up to an onkyo AVR
As long as it has pre-outs for the main speaker channels, it’s all basically the same idea.
Although I have an Onkyo TX-NR787 which is a 9 channel AVR that does NOT have pre-outs. So an external amp wouldn’t work. But I think all of the RZ line of Onkyo AVRs have pre-outs, if I’m not mistaken. 🙌
@@ealanosborne I own the 686 model so I will have a look and let you know if it has any pre outs but the amplifier is pretty powerful on its own but it definitely will be nice if I can add more power to it
@@Lowkey_nxthxn Yeah the TX-NR686 is like mine, but 7 channels, so it’s not equipped to accept an external amp, unfortunately. But I agree…I like the punch that my Onkyo’s internal amp has compared to the Denon X4700H that I tested out. Onkyo is launching some new AVRs this summer, so I’m stoked.
@@ealanosborne ohh shoot are they actually dropping new amps this summer and so you would say the onkyo is better then the Denon X4700 this is why I will not upgrade my onkyo anytime soon tell I actually need to upgrade it but I hear over the years the HDMI can decide overtime.
@@Lowkey_nxthxn yeah man. Everyone has their own loyalties to brands, etc. but I’ve enjoyed Onkyo a little more than Denon personally. Google the new lineup coming out! I’m excited for them!
why there is no A1? 🎵🎵🎵🎵🎵🎵
I have the opportunity to purchase an BasX A5 for $325….what do you think.
Do it! That’s almost 50% off! 🤘
@@ealanosborne I pulled the trigger….do you think I need special rca cables…or will my old ones work.
@@mptobler1 Are they mono RCA patch cables?
@@ealanosborne Yes
@@ealanosborne Sorry one more question, I have a 5.2.4 Onkyo RZ50 system, but because of my setup I cannot place 7 speakers at ear level. I can mount 2 more speakers higher to make it a 5.2.6…suggestions please.
first!
I have known for a very long time separates are the way to go. Until this year I was unable to comfortably afford going to separates. Once Emotiva introduced the new BasX line, I became intrigued. I already owned the Marantz SR6015 which can drive 11 channels, but needed a separate amp for the height/Atmos speakers. So I considered the A4 for those. In the end I just pulled the trigger and decided to balance the power across the entire field and purchased 3 BasX amps. 1 A3 and 2 A4s. Like you Ealan, I was impressed with the performance upgrade. True it was subtle, but also very noticeable. I will have to go back and re-watch the scenes you mentioned in this video. FYI, one of my goto scenes to view for audio is the Government Building Lobby scene in The Matrix. It is very impressive with the new setup.
I have an SR6011. Does the Marantz run completely cool now?
@@stevenschwartzstein4502 I never noticed it getting hot before going to the separates, but it definitely doesn't get warm now. So if your SR6011 is getting warm/hot, then I would imagine this would help.
I was about to order the cables in the video, but seems like they’re out of stock. With these do?
BJC Coaxial Digital Audio Cable
Honestly, I’ve even gotten great results from these basic RCA patch cables 🤷♂️
Amazon Basics Digital Coax Cable - amzn.to/3PcVfQQ
I swear I feel like an expert after watching your videos!
Oh, btw, your mic was in your shot in the beginning of the video! 😂
🤣🤣
I bought recently Ta1 + bas x A7 and I think that only people that have been paid for promoting it, do this yt videos. In general this staff is cool and have a great fixtures comparing price to competition (except couple software bugs ex. DAC+PC). The only thing is missing is sound. So if you interested in audio might be reasonable do add 150-200$ and search further.
A5 Emotiva BasX, does it come with a remote control. Thanks.
No. It's strictly an amp, so volume is controlled by the AVR that it is connected to.
@@ealanosborne thanks ;)
Have you aver experienced separate setup? I am interested, if going pros + amp will give even more detail and better Chanel separation. Or the result will be + / - like receiver + amp
I haven’t experienced “separates” in person yet, but I hear it is better. Just another step up from AVR+preouts 🙌
@@ealanosborne I worth a try. The is an opinion that modern middle end pros , didn’t get any real difference 🤷♂️ It was long time ago, but not right now
So, it will be an interesting video when you will try it
@@Vinsgmc It’s a difference, not only to mention that pre outs are not clipping when driven to much. The amps in receivers can drag the pre outs into clipping. Separates is always the best way to go for sound quality.
I like the video
Great video, you are great at explaining in detail👍 When you are done connecting and and amp assigning, do you need to run audyssey again?
And also, would it make sence to buy the A5, A7 instead of the A3. Im thinking the A3 has more power, but if I was to only use the FR, FL and center will they get more or equal the power as the A3? Does my question make sense😬
The short answer to your question is yes but not that much more. The higher up the Emotiva basX ladder you go, the lower power you get. The upside of going for a higher model is saving space & money. The downside is the power cap which will be especially noticeable if you have a not so efficient set of speakers. My recommendation would be to go for a modular setup. Use the A3 to power your center channel & surrounds and the A2 to power your front right & left. If you’re on budget, just get the A3 and power your LCR and if you get the A2 in the future, switch to the configuration I suggested above. And let your AVR handle the low load height/atmos speakers.
Personally, I have the A3 that Im using to power my Klipsch LCR (RP-6000f ii & RP-504c ii). My Infinity AC fan doesn’t kick off as soon as it used to now. Before, it was running in max speed when watching movies.
Question: The pre-amp setup is confusing. Why is there an option when the pre-outs are live anyway? Asking because I just got Basx3 for my Marantz 8015 and wanted to amp the front stage (L, C, R) of course there isn't a 3 pre-out option. But the pre-outs are live so...
In the video linked below, I go over that, because it IS confusing, I know! 😄 Preamp mode is great, but it’s all or nothing. Kinda weird, but great if you’re powering ALL your speakers with external amps. Check out the vid for a breakdown:
th-cam.com/video/7n8R4b_zrq0/w-d-xo.html
Great review! Im rethinking the A3 now and considering the A5 so that I know the full bed layer is as defined as it can be, clean 95w rms should be plenty... but this has made me NEED this upgrade, when I thought I only wanted it... so thanks 👍😅
Haha! You’re welcome? 😄 Yeah these were just on loan, so I’m dreading having to go back to 9 internal amps with my Onkyo again. So LAME! 🤣
My opinion: Get the A7 for 5 channel instead as it:
1. Has a 1000w psu allowing for "200w per channel" vs "140w" with the A5's 700w psu. This provides more headroom for each amp, especially for dynamic bursts.
2. Larger heatsink to dissipate the heat better
3. The logic? board is moved to the rear of the chassis further away from the amp board which may help lower and EMI between the two, and it has it's own cooling fan.
4. You have the option to add 2 more speakers later.
But...at $600 you're also at OSD Black A5500 (old A5180) /Outlaw Audio's 5000x pricing, and has benched 134w all channels driven by Audioholics, and has Balanced XLR inputs.
@@andrewskaterrr makes sense, I hadn't realized the difference in specs, the A7 does sound like the way to go, then i can do the 2 atmos speakers aswell and run full preamp mode (all int amps off) on the x3700 🤔 where it should sound very clean, we dont have OSD or Outlaw unfortunately here in NZ, but we can get Emotiva.
@@calibre00 Sounds like a plan. Also, I would do some listening test with running the 2 atmos speakers off the receiver vs on the A7. I'd be curious if relieving the receiver ('s power supply) of all amp duty would improve sound more than having only the 2 atmos on the receiver still, and allowing all the 1000w for the 5 main channels. Having the amps turned off lowers the noise floor. I believe Amir from AudioScienceReview confirmed it in one of the Denon tests. x3600h review i think?
@@andrewskaterrr yes sounds good, it measures as well as the 3600h from what I can tell, if I find it underpowered I can always use the A7 for surround and future 4x Atmos, then put an A3 on the front 3... Hmm one day 👍
Questions!!! When I buy a new Av receiver and emotiva! Before I set up the receiver calibration does the emotiva need to be hooked up first? Thanks 😊
Calibrate after hooking everything up. When you introduce any changes to the equipment or the placement of the speakers, always calibrate.
With a A5 can you biamp your 2tower and give juice to your central for exemple for a polk R700+R400 and let the 3700 manage the rest of your speaker ? will it recognize bi-amp+1
In theory, yes, you should be able to pull that off with an A5. Only tricky part is that you’ll need 2 RCA splitter cables to split the front left and right signals. Techno Dad has a quick video on this which I’ve linked below. 👍
th-cam.com/video/fPrGqu-_7VE/w-d-xo.html
Hey. Great video. I have a denon avr-x4100w. It doesn’t have the same amp assign options as the 4700h. How would i go about configuring this with my basxa5? I have 5 bed layer speakers and i just installed 4 in ceiling speakers.
Oof. Yikes. Tough question. According to the manual, you would first need to put it in Dolby Atmos 9.1 mode. But after that (at least according to the diagram) the external amp is only powering the rear height channels. It’s not absolutely clear if the rest of the channels are considered “always on and ready” for an external amp signal, but I would assume so? Since on the back you still have pre-outs for all channels. 🤷♂️
It may be a software limitation in which when you DO use an external amp, you have to at LEAST power your Rear Heights with your BasX A5. Beyond that, I think it’s fair game. So that being said, try to power the Rear Heights, Front Left, Center, Front Right with the A5. Or even try powering all 5 bed layer speakers in the Dolby Atmos 9.1 mode…but that might mean nothing will come out of Rear Height channels? Experimentation, yay! 😄🙌
Did you find that the 130 watts RMS per channel at 1khz with THD
The more I review for this channel, the more I’m starting to realize that numbers are just numbers. My ears definitely noticed a difference using the A5 versus the AVR’s internal amps.
Hopefully soon I can do a proper comparison of two external amps to see if the numbers truly make much of a difference. 👍
Is it possible to hook 5.0 all from my denon 3400h to the a5 ? And if i go with 2 more channels like front highs, can i set them to the denon and the front,center and rear speakers to the emotiva ?
Oh cool! The x3400h must’ve been the last 7 channel AVR Denon offered with a full set of pre outs before only putting that on 9 channel AVRs. 👍 Looking at the manual, it definitely looks like you could do exactly that - use the A5 for your ear-level speakers, and assign the surround back Denon speaker terminals to power your heights. 🤘
Hey Ealan !!! I finally got a BasX 3 Amp from Emotiva. Question if you don't mind, I only have the Sony STR DH-790 which has no Pre Outs, will the Patch cables be good enough to use like you did on the demonstrating here and then plug the speakers obviously on the amp? the Sony doesn't have a Trigger in or out so I guess I have to turn the amp on seperately. Hope you can answer if you have chance. Understand you're busy. Maybe someone can answer for me here somehow.
Editing this...Ealan also I just realized that the Patch cable I'll need for the receiver will have to be different end to end cause the reciever only has speaker type connection with banana or press clips ( I guess they call it that) cause I won't be able to connect it in the way you showed in the video? Is there still a WAY? Are there patch cables that have 2 different ends? I don't think I can plug the patch cable to the AUDIO CD/DVD/Bluray/TV/CATV RCA connection.
Apologize for the questions , but I don't know what to exactly do and I don't have the money to get a Denon or $1,000+ AV receiver.
Please help me if you don't mind.
Yeah, I'm sorry, man...using an external amp only works with the more expensive AVRs with a full set of pre-outs. 😬 That's how external amps work - the (RCA) patch cables take the audio signal away before it gets to the AVR's internal amp, sends it to the external amp, which then sends the externally powered signal to the speakers. There used to be 7 channel amps that had a full set of pre-outs, but that's just not the case anymore. I do apologize that you're in this situation, but it's the truth. Either you wait it out until you can save up for an AVR with a full set of pre-outs, or maybe just return the BasX A3 and try again later when you can get both a BasX A3 and a $1,000+ AVR. 😕
@@ealanosborne thank you Ealan. I appreciate it. I'll just wait til I get a better AVR. I'm sure I can get one under a thousand somehow
Would you say for movies Denon avrx4700 with Basx A5 sounds better than Arcam, Anthem and Nad AVRs using their internal amps.
I haven’t had too much experience with the big dogs yet (like Arcam, Anthem, NAD), but what I do know is their sound is a bit subjective, as well as their proprietary room correction software. So I would say a Denon+BasX A5 combo would be…different.
But from what I experienced with external amps, I would say it’s ALWAYS going to perform a little better than when a receiver has to do audio processing AND amplifying. 🤷♂️
Hi Ealan, great videos. Thank you. Can you make a video on wireless home theatre like the Sony HT A9, Bose lifestyle 650…
I hope to have some hookups with Bose and Sony soon, but until then, I can’t exactly afford to buy them outright just for reviewing purposes. Some day though! 😄🤘
A7 when I get the money with my 4700h
You’re explaining is always leaving me with a big smile 😊
Education & good humor
10/10 👌
Thanks 🙏
Awww, you’re welcome! ☺️
nice!
Thanks, I know it’s an old video, but convinced me to get the A3 to use for my front stage. I have a Yamaha RX-A2080. Might not be much difference, but I was getting upgraditist.
Investing in external amps is good either way, because if you decide to get a different AVR or preamp processor, you can still use those same amps for years to come. 🤘