Paint Your Wagon: Musical Hell Review #30
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ย. 2024
- Where is this movie going? I don't know. When will it get there? Not soon enough.
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Honestly, just make the movie about Elizabeth, Ben, and Pardner. The fact that Elizabeth is happy to be sold because she sees she can get a better life for herself in a prosperous gold-mining town, refuses to be treated like a purchased sex-slave and demands to be treated like a wife, and persuades the two dudes who she loves to happily live together and share her, is far more interesting than anything else going on in the plot.
Clint Eastwood has always said Paint Your Wagon a learning experience. He said all the money wasted on the production taught him how to manage money for his own films, and eventually made him direct his own movies
The man thankfully figured out he should not do musicals once he began making his own movies
@Rebecca Woolf he was great in Piano Blues, though
@@LucyLioness100 And to keep work with efficient directors who know what they're doing, especially since not everyone is Sergio Leone. It's notable that Eastwood and Don Siegel's first collaboration Coogan's Bluff was released the same year.
One of my favorite Simpsons jokes: “they’re singing, Marge, they’re singing! Why are they singing?! Why aren’t they killing each other?!” Only if you’ve seen this weirdness can you really understand this
RIP, Harve Presnell. Great voice, great character actor, and such a pity there weren't better roles at the right time to suit his musical talents.
Oh, he did them. Mostly on stage in out of the way places. I first saw him on stage when I was 12 in 1978. He was Frank in 'Annie Get Your Gun'. Nine years later I did the role myself for the first time. I feel he helped to shape who I am as a performer. RIP indeed, Harve!
Thank you thank you thank you for introducing me to Harve Presnell singing "They Call the Wind Mariah"!
Harve Presnell was also a Broadway star before the movie stints - you can find him on the Broadway soundtrack of the original "The Unsinkable Molly Brown" with Tammy Grimes.
His singing is so glorious compared to the laughable work by Lee and Clint
To be honest, I thought Clint Eastwood would've been a worse singer than that :/
I’ve heard far worse *cough* Pierce Brosnan and Russell Crowe *cough*
@@LucyLioness100 Russell Crowe was perfectly fine.
@@LucyLioness100 Russell Crow can sing, and can sing well, it's just 1. he wasn't properly trained how to sing for musical theatre which is a very different ballpark than what he was used to, and 2. the actual production hamstrung him constantly. He was having to sing for sometimes 12 hours a day, live on set with no proper backing track and instead having a piano that followed his lead and not the other way around. The whole story behind the music for the film is a mess of gigantic proportions and I feel Crowe ends up getting blamed for stuff that he couldn't really help.
Husband: Elizabeth you don't know what you'll get
Elizabeth: I know what I've had
Boys watching a roasting battle: OoOOOOOOoOoOOOOOH!!!
Say what you like about this movie, "we don't have to love our neighbor, you leave the bastard alone!" Is still freaking hilarious.
"Blow in her face and she'll follow you anywhere." Yeah...to beat you up for blowing smoke in her face. True, smoking was "in" in the 60's, but I don't think anyone EVER liked tobacco for the smell of the smoke.
No, but that didn't stop marketing execs from making ridiculously chauvinistic advertisements that helped shape an entire generation's abysmal view towards women.
that scene of two women just staring uncomfortably at the hungry faces of dozens and dozens of sex starved men is easily the most eewy and unnerving thing I've seen thus far.
Honestly, though, I'd probably freeze up, too.
I think Clint Eastwood falls into the same category as Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire, or Marlon Brando. They have some kind of technical flaw when they sing, but their voice was still pleasing to listen to. Or to put it in a comparison, I'd much rather listen to them than Carol Channing or Ethel Merman. Clint actually sounds like a 50s pop crooner, and a lot better than I'd have expected him to be.
Harve Presnell was the baritone soloist in Carmina Burana in a 1960 recording by Ormandy and the Philadelphia Orchestra. It's available on TH-cam in various forms. I highly recommend it.
Is that you on Jeopardy? :O (The voice sounds identical, so I'm taking a guess here.) Congrats!
...Yes. I thought that was kind of obvious. Still, how friggin cool that Kristi got to go on Jeopardy!!
Y’all it is, but it is nearly impossible to find her episode. I cannot find a single clip of it. I know it exists but idk where to find it
@@Ayden_B Dang. I've never been an avid jeopardy viewer, so I'm afraid I'm no help here. But if you have any luck finding it, or if Diva sees this comment thread and graces us with some info, I am so here for it!
Wobbles and Bean yea! Like I can find the episode number (she actually won her first day) what she said about herself to Alex, but jackshit else
@@WobblesandBean I find it ironic a gal named Kristi plays a demon.
Kristi -> Christie -> Christina -> Christ
That and she supposedly lives in Colorado Springs, HQ of many a Christian org.
I didn't realize this was a real movie, I did just think it was a simpsons joke lol
Doodlebob108 I envy you lol. My dad loved this movie and watched it all the time when I was growing up. On the up side I no longer fear hell.
a bit unfair to not count Wandering Star as a saving grace.
One saving grace per movie, and only if it's _really_ earned it. What do you think Diva is, an angel?
I have recently become enthralled with this channel and then saw the quick Jeopardy clip in this! I totally saw that episode! Yay!
+Edward Warfield I hope you saw the other ones too. That was the episode I lost.
I love your reviews! You are awesome!
So, I know this video is ancient, but I have to comment that I saw that episode of Jeopardy! "Monotonous" had just become one of my favorite words (I think I was like, 10 at the time) and I remember finding it funny that you said it in such a monotonous tone. I guess I've been a fan of Diva longer than I thought 😂
I loved this film, one of my favourite musicals of all time. And I absolutely loved Lee Marvin's voice.
Had to sing They Call The Wind Mariah for a play. It’s a gorgeous song to sing, especially where you can hear it echo. One of the most gorgeous songs I’ve ever heard, period, not just in a musical.
Anyway this musical sucks.
We sang the opening song from the stage show in high school choir senior year. None of us were all thrilled & our director doesn’t even like the show; he told us exactly why he doesn’t and it’s mainly the sexism towards women
honestly hearing your plot summery makes me think of once upon a time in the west because at least in my mind while watching it there seemed to be an implied poly relationship between harmonica, jill, and cheyenne butttttt that coulda been how everyone treats the character jill. i suggest watching it at some point if you haven't
Hmmm. I suspect I saw your mortal form around 3:00 in the Jeopardy clip....
BB Wolf *whistles innocently*
+Musical Hell you did Jeopardy??? How have I never seen this?
You look pretty!
+Music Hell
Surely not?
+Musical Hell Wait. YOU, a devil most known for torturing bad musicals, with enough references to Hell to make Satan blush, were on Jeopardy?
(One hour of intense laughing later...)
Oh, that's a good joke!
Parents took me to see this at the movies when it came out.
stuck with me all these years for 2 reasons.
1: Mariah
2: Wandering Star.. "Some people ask where hell is, hell is in hello. Heaven is Goodbye forever it's time for me to go"
BACKWOODS STOMP, BALDERDASH & BLUES - no covers. Yeah those are good.
Absolutely one of my favorite shows, and like you, I saw it first run. My happy gang of misguided, hedonists (many of whom ended up working the film industry) would happily stage the Ben Rumson Drink-A-Like contest every year-- and proud to say I won it twice. Compared to what actually was going on in the California Gold Fields (believe it or not, this is not a Western) this film is fairly tame. Paying $10 in 1848 to have a woman do your laundry was impossibly common, just to be able to speak to her. The Soiled Doves of the Gold Fields were far from being trafficked, some of them made sizable fortunes. I still, and always will, love this show. Meanwhile, I think Alan Bean and Pete Conrad were bouncing around on the Moon, laughing like loons.
This may have to be the one review I can't agree with! I adore this movie - it's ridiculous, on so many levels, and yet so much fun.
The "auditions" for the two leads were based on their resumes. Lee Marvin was basically told "Do what you did in 'Cat Ballou'--heck, you won an Oscar for it!" And there were a couple of times on "Rawhide" that Rowdy Yates (Eastwood) serenaded the cows during the drive. Which seems to be all the thought that went into their casting. Meanwhile, one of the most musical-experienced members of the cast--Ray Walston--who did "Damn Yankees" and "South Pacific"--needed to do more.
Actual talent, great score but the tone and the plot( was there a plot?) left a movie that was at least confusing.
Brian Fuller my thoughts exactly!!
If the whole "man selling his wife" plot point, complete with an auction and mining jargon, had been followed up with _anything,_ it might have been a reasonably clever way to comment on the nature of the patriarchy. But it wasn't, so it's just uncomfortable.
4:12 The disappointing fate of The Lorax being turned into a human.
6:06 Harve Presnell? That's Mr Parker when he was young? Man, he was the whole package!
Gregory House My band teacher's name is Mr. Parker
+GregoryHouse Funny to see you mention The Lorax 2 years ago because she's FINALLY covering Illumination's adaptation of that next month.
Gonna paint a wagon gonna paint it good we ain’t bragging we’re gonna coat that wood
Gonna paint a wagon. Gonna paint it fine. Gonna use oil-based paint because the wood is pine
PonderoOosa pine!
This movie is brought up whenever anybody talks about the down years of the movie musical,or the dwindling days of old Hollywood,both of which were the mid-to-late 1960's.
And yet, I have always loved this movie. I am not normally a fan of musicals, or westerns, but this movie just works for me.
Cool.
I can't listen to "Talk to the Trees" without thinking of that MUPPET SHOW gag with Link Hogthrob.
"I'm not listening to any more of this!"
Or the 1950s Radio Show The Goon Show, where Spike Milligan sang "I Talk To the Trees... That's Why They Put Me Away..."
Here comes Lee Marvin! Thank God! He's always drunk and violent.
if I remember correctly, I was expecting to see everyone chipping in to paint Clint Eastwood's Wagon whilst having a musical number
also Lee Marvin doing the splits
I loved Paint Your Wagon. I also enjoyed your review. Maybe it's because my dad showed it to me when I was young. I watch it every chance I get...Lee Marvin kicks ass!
Lee Marvin has a better singing voice than Pearce Brosnan did in “Mama Mia..”
“They call the wind Mariah” is my ‘when I’m sad’ song
2:57 That's Christi Esterle as Diva!
I'd say it's vise versa.
Until this very moment, I was still convinced this movie was just a Simpsons joke. Now I wish I could go back to that...
I actually like this movie.
The Phantom of the Paradise your name tho! Diva needs to take on THAT movie
It sounds like if they just got him a good voice teacher to work with, Eastwood could have been pretty fair in the singing departement.
Based on your description it sounds like a more accurate adaptation of the stage musical would have been like an Old West version of Fiddler on the Roof.
If Jean Seberg's singing was the best of the three stars, there was a good reason. Her singing was dubbed.
Dubbed by Anita Gordon, also heard in the 1962 'State Fair'. (Aren't people who feel they have to show off their knowledge pathetic?)
SHIT WHICH JEOPARDY WERE YOU ON?!
"They Call the Wind Maria." is one of my all-time favorite songs. 👍
And Clint Eastwood and Lee Marvin are two of my all-time favorite movie stars.👍
As for the rest of this movie, it probably would of worked better as a western comedy then a western comedy musical.🤔
10:27 I couldn't help but hear you say "he needs to build her a proper house" just imagine one man building a house for his wife.
I know adaptations are....well, adaptations, they're not meant to nor should they be a carbon copy of the original stage production. But in this case, the film they made is so utterly different to the source material that I have to wonder why they even bothered.
It’s the “In Name only” adaptation, I think
Lerner was at the beginning of his nose-candy period during the preproduction period for this movie, which explains the pointless rewrite and plot holes you can drive a Mack truck through. This culminated with the out-of-town tryout of "Clear Day" and actually continued through the end of his career.
Chayefsky was hired to "fix" Lerner's screenplay, but unfortunately he too was in a career downturn which included "The Latent Heterosexual," a stage vehicle for the magnificent monster Zero Mostel.
Lee Martin just makes me think of Lisa Simpson 'he's dreamy!'
Polyamory in the old west is a movie that needs to be made
Giant guilty pleasure here. I don’t know why, but I loved this as a kid and it’s still nostalgic fun.
All these years thinking it was just a joke from The Simpsons
The only good movie musical to come out of the 1970s was Fiddler on the Roof, I know this came out in 1969 but it's squarely in 1970s energy. Presnell reminds me of Howard Keel and he's every bit as masterful and he did this scene in one take
Pete's Dragon and Xandu were pretty cool. And despite its flaes, The Wiz is a cheesy guilty pleasure with great songs, competent acting, and some really odd, bizzare, surreal moments you won't find in any other Wizard of Oz adaptation.
No Love for Caberet?
I love how Jean Seberg is dubbed by Anita Gordon, who was the Golden Harp in Fun and Fancy Free.
With a plot like this, the title should be 'pick your poison '
As long as I’ve been watching Musical Hell, I’ve been wondering when this will happen, and at last it has, so I must share: there is a TH-cam ad for a bible app below this video. Truly, nothing goes together better than a video with the word “Hell” in both the video title and creator name and a Christian advertisement! 😂
Wow, just the film clips explained countless MST3K jokes.
🎶Gonna paint your wagon
Gonna paint it fine
Gonna use oil-based paint
'cuz the wood is pine🎶
Diva, have you heard the new Encores cast recording of Paint Your Wagon? You wouldn't know how great the score is from watching this movie. Who knew?!?
"Paint Your Wagon" *possibly* could've turned out better if it had a shorter runtime! 😅
In view of the passing of Sir Richard Attenborough, are you going to tackle the film version of A Chorus Line?
(I hate to speak ill of the dead, especially not such a nice man as Sir Richard was by all accounts, nor of someone who's been through all the tragedy he had over his last years...but how could a man as talented as he was make such a total botch of it?!)
Jennifer Schillig It's entirely possible--though obviously the immediate future would be Too Soon. After all, making a mess of one of the most flawless shows ever created is definitely a sin worth calling into account.
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You might want to hold off on A Chorus Line for a while, but I have a great suggestion for you--The Princess and the Pea (2002), an obscure, terrible animated film. Not only does it rip of Disney, it even rips off the Disney Ripoffs like Anastasia. Personally I think it's one of the worst movies I have ever seen--the songs suck, the characters suck, and the animation and story suck. Which makes it perfect for musical hell. By the way, the Prince character's voice sounds an awful lot like David Tennant, but it's not him of course.
harrietamidala1691 Wow--I think I saw this in a bargain bin somewhere, thought it looked awful, and promptly forgot about it until now. My first instinct was right! It's definitely going on the short list!
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Good, I can't wait to hear you sink your claws into this one! Did you ever get the movie, or do you have to buy it now? It's available on youtube, unfortunately.
harrietamidala1691 I never got it, but there's always several options for finding the movies I review here. Public libraries (especially if they're in an interlibrary loan system) are a great resource for DVDs, and often carry odd or out-of-print titles, and Amazon usually has great prices for slightly used discs.
I can't Believe this movie existed, I was think this movie is just a movie in the Simpsons Universe
Guess this just reveals how absolutely unsophisticated I am as a playgoer/moviegoer. Love this movie for its rowdy energy and music, even Lee Marvin. Clint Eastwood, I'm not so crazy about; he's definitely playing against type. As far as the wife auction, these actually happened in England in the late 1600s.
I like the review, you bring up a lot of good points but I still like this movie. Also you were on Jopardy!? (I probably spelt that wrong.)
Oh boy, Lee Marvin! He's always drunk and violent!
I had to check the date when Game of Thrones was mentioned as one of the examples of adaptation. Make more sense now
Yeah, it went quite a bit off the rails in recent seasons.
I'm not even sure why we need the polyamoury subplot seeing as Lee Marvin's competition is an in his prime Clint Eastwood.
I really did think that was a joke on The Simpsons lol
Those wacky Mormons
Didn't realize you were on Jeopardy. :) Congrats. (of all the game shows that come to mind, that one's my favorite; mainly cause I love trivia.)
Imagine if they had kept to the original Broadway score/story, and cast Harve Presnell as Julio.
I took a course on musicals in college during the late '80s. It was team taught by the heads of the theater and music departments. We spent a fair chunk of time on this movie. The background on stuff that went on behind the scenes was pretty obnoxious.
I’ve seen this movie like twice... why did I get majorly jump-scared by They Call the Wind Mariah just now 😂
Lee Marvin is sin number 1!? but he's dreamy! (this is a joke from that simspns episode I dont really mean this!).
If you want more Harve Presnell singing, check out the 1960 recording of Carmina Burana. It's amazing.
Absolutely! Presnell gives a strong characterization in each of his songs and Ormandy and my hometown band kick ass!
Clint Eastwood would do a lot of singing in 1982's Honkytonk Man, which he also directed. Even though he's many years older since Paint Your Wagon, he sounds much better.
...it’s still a guilty pleasure for me...
And to quote Michael Medved, "Not since Atilla the Hun rampaged across Europe, plunging it into five hundred years of darkness, has there been a man like Lee Marvin"
The rain is Tess, the fire is Joe, they call the wind Mariah... what about earth and heart?
I tried to watch this movie once, but couldn't make it past the Mormon scene. Honestly, I would MUCH rather see a full-length version of the 'Paint Your Wagon' parody on 'The Simpsons'.
I was a kid when I saw this at the movies, back in the 1960s. It was eternal.
Whoa, I just read that "Wandering Star" was a number-one hit in the UK. The year that Abbey Road, Let It Bleed, and Zeppelin I came out.
I think the Simpsons parody was better written! Hell, I had no clue this was an actual movie, I thought it was just a gag one.
Man, I was wrong.
I love this series so much :3
So do I.
Standard, generally accepted pronunciation of "timbre" is TAM-BER. Letter "i" is pronounced as "ay". Can't explain. This is just the generally accepted pronunciation. Thank you.
I thought I knew your name from somewhere! Nice.
2:58 You were on Jeopardy? That's awesome!
Re: 'Mariah'.
You are all of the correct, forever.
We're u on jeopardy??
Are there problems? Yep. Is it still fun? Yep.
... okay, I can’t help it.
Gonna paint your wagon! Gonna paint it fine! Gonna use oil-based paint, ‘cause the wood is pine! (PonderOOOOOOsa pine, ooooooooooh...)
Hi, Diva! Have to say I like this film, though I love the show (which I've done) a whole lot better. I mostly tolerate the film for Mr. Presnell who has long been one of my heroes as a performer. I do agree with you about the attractive and intelligent mortal.
Switch Harve Presnell with Lee Marvin then switch Lee with someone else.
I think the main reason for the awkward tonal shifts in the movie was because Alan Jay Lerner interfered in the writing process in an attempt to make the film more lighter than Chayefsky's more darker take on the material. In fact, Lerner was a massive pain in the ass during filming and made life very difficult for Joshua Logan.
They have this guy singing in an ad! It causes me physical pain it's so bad!
To me the movie is a clever funny and lee martan on my end is a good actor i can tell what a bad movie is but if you don't like it im cool with it but yea even a master piece has flaws
if someone told me "hey do you wanna see a 1960's clint eastwood western musical where he's in a throuple with a guy and a woman?" I'd be so down to it
but the movie's... bad!? that's so unfair :'(
Actually, in the 1600's to early 1900's in England, it was okay to sell your wife in order to get a quickie divorce. It also happened in the U.S. as well, though not as often. The wife usually felt the same as the wife in this movie, and usually ensured her lover would get the winning bid.
Gonna paint you wagon gonna paint it good
Personally, I quite enjoyed the movie; the score was excellent, and I think the leading voices suit their characters rather well. What really pissed me off was the fact that Pardner is supposed to be a Mexican immigrant who's forced to live separately from the white mining community; his ethnicity and his secret relationship with a white woman is one of the biggest plot points in the stage play. I sat through the entire movie hoping that Julio would show up, and set the ball rolling, but he never did. Wish you would've mentioned it, I wanted you to tear the film a new one for that asshole move.
Well she mentioned at the beginning that the stage musical features Ben's daughter and her Mexican love interest, and that the movie dropped that subplot and replaced it with Pardner
@@elsie8757 True! But I would have liked more detail about it, and how it affected the plot - not just a throwaway few lines.
Oh well, still a good review!
@@lilpixie.9653 Yeah, I notice that Diva seems to mostly take what she's reviewing at face value. What you're describing, comparing the adaptation with its source material in more detail, seems more like Lost In Adaptation's department.
@@elsie8757 ooooh, sounds interesting. I'll check them out, thank you so much!
@@lilpixie.9653 It's mostly book-to-movie adaptations, rather than musicals, granted, but he did do Phantom of the Opera once!
I've seen worse movies, definitely seen worse musicals.