"Enough to recharge 100,000 electric cars" there are about 28 million cars in the UK, so we would need to build another 280 dams of roughly this capacity and somehow keep them all topped up with wind and solar. Then there is the Trucks, Busses, houses, businesses and trains to power as well. Does anyone else see a few problems if we continue with net zero? It's insane.
@@thedave7760 indeed they have ecological impact aswell... We cannot rely on Renewables like wind n solar solely as they are not suitable for grid support in peaks and less inertia to damp grid oscillations. Hydro is a bit scarce during winters. Indeed we cannot get net 0 but hopefully renewables will help in reducing the depletion of carbon fuel resources
There are 2 more in the pipeline, as it were. 1 on Loch Ness called Red John, and 1 on Loch Lochy called Coire Glas. Foyers, also on Loch Ness, has been operating since the 1960s. There are a few smaller schemes in operation.
Alas, Coire Glas is being held up by our idiot government refusing to discuss the finances. Desperately needed as an enabling facility for renewables - it should be fast tracked as a nationally vital infrastructure project.
Oh, hey, it's a location used in Andor. Neat. Also, nice chops to open the valve and just stand there in the spray. Seems an odd design choice, though.
A similar scheme operates in Turlough Hill in Ireland and has done so since the 1970s. Designed and operated by the State owned Electricity Supply Board, ESB.
@@JasonJohnson-yu8zf The tour's great fun, but annoyingly they shut indefinitely a few years back. Not sure if the visitor center has been demolished yet, but it was all boarded up last time I went through Snowdonia. Shame really as it's amazing engineering!
@@zachmoyer1849 Thats fine. Gen IV breeder reactors can use both U-238 and Thorium-232. Which would provide millions of years worth of fuel. But if we just used conventional reactors running on U-235, there is thousands of years worth of uranium. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_market#/media/File:Uranium_resources.svg
The only thing missing, was the warning siren signalling the opening of the pressure relief valve, as anyone caught in the drainage basin downstream could be injured or drowned. That is the dam truth.
Think about this. When you include accelerated mass energy in efficiency computations, the efficiency of a hydro turbine never exceeds 16%. What could we do different to improve that efficiency closer to 100%? No 100% is not possible, but why not eliminate accelerated mass and get closer to 100%. Like 90%. If we do not think about it we will never do it.
At last a solution far better than a battery. The UK should be doing this on scale. And there are more places than you might think where this is possible.
@@MrBen527 I hear ya bud, nothing is free. However once you've got this going and set up it would be among the cleanest forms of energy storage. And the idea is basically the same as hydro power, which is already fairly popular in Scottage 🙂 So yeah, they could do more of this for sure. I regularly drive past Tintwistle in Yorks region, and there are about 3 large dams in a row, imagine if the pump facility was at the bottom to the top, with 3 hydro plants running down the chain every time... could easily power most of Manchester. And this would be the best way to set it up, multiple plants consecutively down valley. Maximise the gains.
There are three or four small private schemes in the glen in which I live. Unfortunately they sell their excess to the grid so we can't be self-sufficient.
In 2022 there was an estimated 10 million electric vehicles that would need charging at least once a day that would mean this entire damn would only be able to charge 1% of the vehicles... That's a lot of water and a lot of energy
The problem is that that's difficult to scale. Dinorwig power station moves 390 tons of water per _second_ to generate 1.8 GW, or 1.4 million tons per hour. The largest winches have a capacity on the order of 1000 tons, so you'd need 1400 winches to generate as much power as Dinorwig's 6 turbines.
we are in an era of massive parallelism marked by distributed smaller systems. these pumped storage "water batteries" dont benefit so much from scale as primary generation plants do. but you need a hoo.
Efficiency of pumped hydro is around 80%. Pumped hydro was unique in that it offers very rapid changes in output. These days, batteries offer that too, but nobody's using batteries at the scale of pumped hydro yet: this power station can supply 7 GWh.
its a poor design tho you pump water from river but extracting its energy right on the dam turbines could installed near the river so water could gain more energy while moving downhill
It's a bit of a conundrum to think what the electric car owners of the world would do with that last 18 hours of power grid. And what non trade skilled citizens would resort to to last 18 more.
EVs charge when cheap surplus power is available, which happens more and more often. A few even use Vehicle2grid to put power back into the grid at peak demand. Like this dam.
@@thomasgade226 EVs charge when you get home from work at 5 PM in the worst of the evening peak consumption. Unless you have complicated time offset built into each car.
@@gregorymalchuk272 some do - and pay more. We shifted thousands of cars' charge by shifting the taxes, further increasing peak price while decreasing the offpeak price. Net cost is the same for non-EV homes.
Years ago when I was an electrical apprentice, 1980's, we were told of a proposed American scheme, where they would use excess power to compress air to a few psi above ambient and store it by pressurising a huge underground cavern, what came of it I have no idea.
The problem with compressed air storage is that when you compress air, it heats up. The heat then leaks out through the rock, and the amount of energy you can recover is relatively low. It's less efficient than pumped hydro.
why not have a couple of turbines in the run down the mountain, even if they get smaller in size, you want to get as much out of whats there as you can
Yes and what about the fish that wanted to go down river but was blasted back up and over the wall he was dammed for ever and lived more prosperous for ever after. The end
Hydroelectricity is fine. They last hundreds of years, so any methane from preexisting vegetation gets amortized over centuries of electricity production. The greens hate both nuclear and hydroelectricity. Because they are the two forms of carbon free energy that actually make economic sense and don't require demolishing industrial civilization and rebuilding on a basis of artificial scarcity and control.
Not necessarily. In colder places where large scale Hydro-Electric schemes exist, like Tasmania in Australia, NZ and Canada they don't emit as many methane emissions as you presume because they are in colder climates. Hydro -Electric is vastly superior to nuclear, as it relies completely on an pure renewable source of power ie water. Nuclear power by contrast relies on an non-renewable source of power ie uranium. Unfortunately however for an lot of jurisdictions they don't have the necessary water catchment areas to support the uptake of large scale Hydro-Electric infrastructure options.
ok so last i posted it was about my invention well this is a post on the issues of green power technology So firstly there is no such thing as green power. WHY? Well by my book for it to be green the power used to process the raw materials into say a billet of aluminum must have come from hydro as wind and solar can't deliver the rate of power needed for the smelter to run Now this issue exists throughout the entire chain from ground to shop front and then there is the Elephant in the room of 100% recyclable non meet that bar let alone exceed it wind at best is 65% solar well 25-30% even hydro at about 95% is not 100% So i hear you shouting this man's full of #### And yes you are on the right line if your about the power made sold to the public not the back story Lets put it another way would you let your child have a Teddybear filled with toxic material's ? NO the first job as a mom or dad is to keep them healthy yet you will allow technology into their future that as i type this is going to landfill Now to the next issue life of the power technology So solar is about 12 years then the return drops off by 15yrs your looking to replace them Wind is about 27 years then costs have eaten all the profit Hydroelectricity well 100 years is the norm but can run twice that Now in closing its time for some truths in my world yes i am for hydro over sun and wind and as RDP Marine Australia i have an agenda but it is up front i have told you Also i have moved to a caravan lifestyle 10 years ago a van i designed and made solar on the roof 8 135amp batteries AND MADE IN FIBERGLASS so i know i live it In closing well done for getting this far and yes it is just right to live in and have been doing so since 2014
I love the way Guys says WATER lol
Wattah
Yea I was wondering if he had to train himself out of sayin wa'er or smth for the films
😂 you drink water, you splash watter
Love the narration. If The Lord of the Rings opened with a hydroelectric dam instead of a mountain range, this would be the intro.
Isn’t the narrator the same guy from SAS who dares wins?
@@shivasdhunaYup! It's him!🔥
A fish swam into a wall and said 'Dam'
A penguin bar classic
Then the three little fishes swam over the dam.( with apologies to Frankie Howard), boop boop diddy wappem.
Hahaha
Ah Poor sole
I wanna speak to the dam manager!
3:15 "That's us generating electricity, for 90,000 ohms"
im usually resistant to the continuity of shit jokes but ill let this one slide
It will be 400,000 homes when Cruachan 2 is complete
@@zanderboy”resistant” 😂
@@EngineeringAndVehiclesArchive 🤣
That is a beautiful dam, with those block/brick buttresses. Very picturesque!
Cruachan Dam, Argyll and Bute, Scotland
tongland nr kirkubright
Working as an operation engineer in a 720MW hydropower plant, i can surely say hydro electric generating stations are a marvel of Man
"Enough to recharge 100,000 electric cars"
there are about 28 million cars in the UK, so we would need to build another 280 dams of roughly this capacity and somehow keep them all topped up with wind and solar.
Then there is the Trucks, Busses, houses, businesses and trains to power as well.
Does anyone else see a few problems if we continue with net zero?
It's insane.
@@thedave7760 indeed they have ecological impact aswell... We cannot rely on Renewables like wind n solar solely as they are not suitable for grid support in peaks and less inertia to damp grid oscillations. Hydro is a bit scarce during winters. Indeed we cannot get net 0 but hopefully renewables will help in reducing the depletion of carbon fuel resources
There are 2 more in the pipeline, as it were. 1 on Loch Ness called Red John, and 1 on Loch Lochy called Coire Glas. Foyers, also on Loch Ness, has been operating since the 1960s. There are a few smaller schemes in operation.
Loch Lochy? You got to be taking the piss 😂😂
Alas, Coire Glas is being held up by our idiot government refusing to discuss the finances. Desperately needed as an enabling facility for renewables - it should be fast tracked as a nationally vital infrastructure project.
My grandad was a tunnel tiger. Lots of hydro electric places up in the highlands where I live. They’re awesome.
The empire sure left that dam in a hurry! They took all of their gear with them!
I was puzzled for an entire episode of Andor trying to figure out why the setting was so familiar before I realised
Oh, hey, it's a location used in Andor. Neat. Also, nice chops to open the valve and just stand there in the spray. Seems an odd design choice, though.
I am wondering if the manual valve is some sort of emergency failsafe in case the main switch fails.
Guy Martin mate..you are my Idol..would love to meet you in person... cheers from Austria
Ya know … I’d actually be quite comfortable knowing that that was the guy monitoring the dam above my town 🥳
The closing of that service seal sounded a lot like Godzilla just arrived. 🦖
A similar scheme operates in Turlough Hill in Ireland and has done so since the 1970s. Designed and operated by the State owned Electricity Supply Board, ESB.
What is the gear ratio on that hand cranked safety valve?
There is a similar set up in Snowdonia, North Wales, I believe that opened in the early 1980s.
Dinorwig, done the tour around that years ago
@@JasonJohnson-yu8zf The tour's great fun, but annoyingly they shut indefinitely a few years back. Not sure if the visitor center has been demolished yet, but it was all boarded up last time I went through Snowdonia. Shame really as it's amazing engineering!
Thanks for your sharing
I just woke up, and I read the video title as:" Guy taste the water of pleasure in a Hydroelectric Dam"
...."makin electricity for 90 thousand gnomes". (sic) 😂. English subtitles would be useful!
Aye yup! Guy Martin...genius.
We need more Guy Martin (and a Translator!) just kidding more Guy for the Guy's! Ok that didn't sound right... ;)
When people are watching the world cup, and all put the kettle on at half time, these guys open the taps.
Nice burns.
We need people like you in the u.s.a.
He is too slim for USA
@@flesz_ Good point.
They’d need to send a translator with him, you know what I’m talking about 😅
@@Rob.P974 When I talked to him I couldn't understand much of anything he said. I think he was screwing with me?
Isn't this where 'Andor' was filmed?)
WOW.. what a dam!' Woohh
"wot we gonna do?" Nuclear power mate!
when you apply that to a global scale its just not practical as there is not enough fuel the only way it works is if every plant is a breeder plant.
@@zachmoyer1849 Thats fine. Gen IV breeder reactors can use both U-238 and Thorium-232. Which would provide millions of years worth of fuel. But if we just used conventional reactors running on U-235, there is thousands of years worth of uranium. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_market#/media/File:Uranium_resources.svg
What is the name of this dam and where is it built?
That engineers had a few lines on his break
Go On 😊
If you drink 6 pints and squint whilst he talks, he kinda sounds like Tyson Fury.
The only thing missing, was the warning siren signalling the opening of the pressure relief valve, as anyone caught in the drainage basin downstream could be injured or drowned. That is the dam truth.
😂 that's dam funny👍
That’s the kind of delta p that can squeeze a fellow through a keyhole.
Think about this. When you include accelerated mass energy in efficiency computations, the efficiency of a hydro turbine never exceeds 16%. What could we do different to improve that efficiency closer to 100%? No 100% is not possible, but why not eliminate accelerated mass and get closer to 100%. Like 90%. If we do not think about it we will never do it.
Tesla turbine
I'm quite sure there are many great minds thinking about making generators more efficient. Considering many believe the world literally depends on it.
Seen it, done it, been in the mountain.
Surely guy should know tidal power is the uks best solution
Nuclear is the cleanest fuel...more investment needed in nuclear power plants not in all this carbon neutral woke sht.
Yup, tidal should be part of the UK renewable future. So should deep geothermal.
Is this the same Guy Martin that races in the Isle of Man TT race
Yep, but not sure he still races TT competitively any more.
He makes a bloody good TV documentary though.
At last a solution far better than a battery. The UK should be doing this on scale. And there are more places than you might think where this is possible.
This water battery method has been well known for awhile now. It still takes a lot of money, equipment, and water to make it worthwhile.
@@MrBen527 I hear ya bud, nothing is free. However once you've got this going and set up it would be among the cleanest forms of energy storage. And the idea is basically the same as hydro power, which is already fairly popular in Scottage 🙂 So yeah, they could do more of this for sure. I regularly drive past Tintwistle in Yorks region, and there are about 3 large dams in a row, imagine if the pump facility was at the bottom to the top, with 3 hydro plants running down the chain every time... could easily power most of Manchester. And this would be the best way to set it up, multiple plants consecutively down valley. Maximise the gains.
@@theoutsider6191 I agree! 🙂
@@theoutsider6191 are you serious?
@@Walker_Texas_Danger only a little 😂😂😂😎
Guy you need to come to East Tennessee and ride the famous “Dragon” through the Great Smokey Mountains… it’s a hairy ride!
We also have a great Dam in Norris Tn
Raccoon Mountain Pumped storage as well
4:08 Emergency Open Now!
Scotland has lots of them sitting unused while we're paying ridiculous prices for electricity.
There are three or four small private schemes in the glen in which I live. Unfortunately they sell their excess to the grid so we can't be self-sufficient.
I like Guy but I can't get over the way he pronounces "water".
🤣
I wanna speak to the dam manager!
how do you change that seal on that drain valve or just tapered?
Most likely they have at least one back up valve that they can shut, possibly a plug as well
@@peterlustig8021 you just have to do it really quick when you open it
just drain the reservoir. its pumped storage.
Spray the pipe with freezing solution 😊.
4:30 Guy Martin is now in charge of the safety precautions
That’s some scary words right there
No pressure testing was conducted during the making of this video.
From that thumbnail I thought Guy was starring in the movie of The Backrooms.
Hook a water powered pump to that safety release valve
Why did it have to make mention of 100000 ev's
What was the water pressure?
“Lots”
O Dam guy
In 2022 there was an estimated 10 million electric vehicles that would need charging at least once a day that would mean this entire damn would only be able to charge 1% of the vehicles... That's a lot of water and a lot of energy
Just when I thought I heard all the pronunciations for the word "water".
wa 'ah...
Dam
Instead you can dig holes, drop heavy rock down the shaft when you need electricity and lift it up when in excess
The problem is that that's difficult to scale. Dinorwig power station moves 390 tons of water per _second_ to generate 1.8 GW, or 1.4 million tons per hour. The largest winches have a capacity on the order of 1000 tons, so you'd need 1400 winches to generate as much power as Dinorwig's 6 turbines.
Like a kid in a chocolate shop…
It is just a hydropower plant. Narrator made it sound like a mystery.
“Whatter”
440MW - sorry but a drop in the ocean and what about the pumping losses. At least it can provide Mvars as needed at anytime
we are in an era of massive parallelism marked by distributed smaller systems. these pumped storage "water batteries" dont benefit so much from scale as primary generation plants do. but you need a hoo.
Efficiency of pumped hydro is around 80%.
Pumped hydro was unique in that it offers very rapid changes in output. These days, batteries offer that too, but nobody's using batteries at the scale of pumped hydro yet: this power station can supply 7 GWh.
All that electric was already in use so no new electricity for electric cars. Such bravo Sierra
Why does this guy remind me of Fred West?
“This countries energy problems” - Scotland doesn’t have an energy problem.
its a poor design tho you pump water from river but extracting its energy right on the dam turbines could installed near the river so water could gain more energy while moving downhill
I don't know if james milner switched to a racer
Its like lamaload dam cheshire
❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊
i work in 1200 MW HEP
If you want impressive power stations visit North America
What if you used the water being released to pump water back into the dam using no electricity 🤔
“Generating electricity for 90,000 ohms”
Couldn't resist that pun?
#99 MESIN AIR NYA BAGUS BANG 😂🇮🇩
right? right? right?
watta
It's a bit of a conundrum to think what the electric car owners of the world would do with that last 18 hours of power grid.
And what non trade skilled citizens would resort to to last 18 more.
EVs charge when cheap surplus power is available, which happens more and more often. A few even use Vehicle2grid to put power back into the grid at peak demand. Like this dam.
@@thomasgade226 EVs charge when you get home from work at 5 PM in the worst of the evening peak consumption. Unless you have complicated time offset built into each car.
@@gregorymalchuk272 keepin it real
@@gregorymalchuk272 "complicated time offset"
Mate it's just a bit of code saying to not charge unless it's over a set time.....
@@gregorymalchuk272 some do - and pay more. We shifted thousands of cars' charge by shifting the taxes, further increasing peak price while decreasing the offpeak price. Net cost is the same for non-EV homes.
California is the place to transfer water 😊
Visible
Absolute trick engineering
Wouter
Years ago when I was an electrical apprentice, 1980's, we were told of a proposed American scheme, where they would use excess power to compress air to a few psi above ambient and store it by pressurising a huge underground cavern, what came of it I have no idea.
There working on this in many countries
It's working.
caverns are already used the Nat Gas, propane, or ethane storage.
The problem with compressed air storage is that when you compress air, it heats up. The heat then leaks out through the rock, and the amount of energy you can recover is relatively low. It's less efficient than pumped hydro.
@@zounds010 yes adibatic compression not isothermal
"wathr"
why not have a couple of turbines in the run down the mountain, even if they get smaller in size, you want to get as much out of whats there as you can
Uk could have build more of these ,but the agenda and profits of the elite were more important.
Luss, lomond side.
What?
@@fanfeck2844 hydro power station on the banks of Loch lomond.
wtaf is watta
So back to nuclear energy...
This dam (and Dinorwig) was built to balance the Trawsfynydd and Wylfa nuclear power stations
WHATer
The real star is the narrator, what’s his name
Shaun Dooley. Legend
Yes and what about the fish that wanted to go down river but was blasted back up and over the wall he was dammed for ever and lived more prosperous for ever after.
The end
Guy says water so weird.
Narrator is also kinda eh time for some caffeine
You should show what GB did with palestine
Moan the scotlin
Fun fact : Nuclear is "greener" because dams release a lot of methane from organic decomposition caused by repeated flooding
Hydroelectricity is fine. They last hundreds of years, so any methane from preexisting vegetation gets amortized over centuries of electricity production. The greens hate both nuclear and hydroelectricity. Because they are the two forms of carbon free energy that actually make economic sense and don't require demolishing industrial civilization and rebuilding on a basis of artificial scarcity and control.
Not necessarily. In colder places where large scale Hydro-Electric schemes exist, like Tasmania in Australia, NZ and Canada they don't emit as many methane emissions as you presume because they are in colder climates. Hydro -Electric is vastly superior to nuclear, as it relies completely on an pure renewable source of power ie water. Nuclear power by contrast relies on an non-renewable source of power ie uranium. Unfortunately however for an lot of jurisdictions they don't have the necessary water catchment areas to support the uptake of large scale Hydro-Electric infrastructure options.
BUM!
ok so last i posted it was about my invention well this is a post on the issues of green power technology
So firstly there is no such thing as green power. WHY?
Well by my book for it to be green the power used to process the raw materials into say a billet of aluminum must have come from hydro as wind and solar can't deliver the rate of power needed for the smelter to run
Now this issue exists throughout the entire chain from ground to shop front and then there is the Elephant in the room of 100% recyclable non meet that bar let alone exceed it
wind at best is 65%
solar well 25-30%
even hydro at about 95% is not 100%
So i hear you shouting this man's full of #### And yes you are on the right line if your about the power made sold to the public not the back story
Lets put it another way would you let your child have a Teddybear filled with toxic material's ? NO the first job as a mom or dad is to keep them healthy yet you will allow technology into their future that as i type this is going to landfill
Now to the next issue life of the power technology
So solar is about 12 years then the return drops off by 15yrs your looking to replace them
Wind is about 27 years then costs have eaten all the profit
Hydroelectricity well 100 years is the norm but can run twice that
Now in closing its time for some truths in my world
yes i am for hydro over sun and wind and as RDP Marine Australia i have an agenda but it is up front i have told you
Also i have moved to a caravan lifestyle 10 years ago a van i designed and made solar on the roof 8 135amp batteries AND MADE IN FIBERGLASS so i know i live it
In closing well done for getting this far and yes it is just right to live in and have been doing so since 2014
Great British....but Scottish again. Why does England steal everything Scottish
because balls
What the hell are you talking about?
👎damn backchitnoise👎
Reduce birth rate.
then they ship in a bunch of immigrants anyways lol.
EVs a joke