I'm amazed at the amount of ignorant comments. People don't appear to realize that songwriting is a craft as well as an art. Not only craft can be taught but she is an excellent teacher, and the techniques that she is sharing are pure gold - if you have the ears to receive it.
Music is (foremost) a JOB, it's work. By the time you get to be on that stage, you have done a ton of work. That work needs to be recognised...and loved...
Thanks for this great lesson, you made the concept of motif and how to use it in an actual song very clear! And what a beautiful motif and moving harmonic accompaniment!
Thank you so much for this. Very well explained. Melodic motif: the fingerprint or DNA of a song that belongs only to that song. It is pitch and rhythm e.g. 4 notes. Pick a motif and then add techniques. Techniques: 1. Repetition 2. Lengthening 3. Contrast with the next section (chorus or pre-chorus) E.g change in note length, raised pitch, shorter phrases, half-measure motif, add new/change motif 4. Start the phrase/melody before the downbeat in the pre-chorus & chorus (in the verse it started after the downbeat)
Love this channel... Great, love Berklee, our friend Ed Roland went there! It's amazing how simple songwriting is if you can just remember all the things you learned at the moment of writing the song. So much to consider! Great melodies are hard to write. Ximre's session player talks about general beginner writing ideas and ways to write songs. Ximre has their first video out March 1, 2018.
This is the best lesson on songwriting I have found on youtube.com so far. It's obvious this lady understand song structure. I approach screenwriting in a very structure orientated way, so this is how I would prefer to approach songwriting. I'm just learning to play guitar, but I'd like to write some songs once I feel comfortable enough playing where I can make up some simple melodies and riffs. If anyone knows of a better songwriting instructor (free is best), please let me know.
Many of these comments remind me of the old joke: "How many guitarists does it take to change a lightbulb?" Answer: "100. One to change the lightbulb and 99 to stand around and say 'I can do it better than that." Stop being competitive and enjoy what other musicans have to offer. Or go make your music that's "better" and leave the rest of us alone already. Andrea, thanks for your efforts, I found this most helpful!
That is so brutal, but so damn true. I literally just got into a heated argument with someone in a youtube comments section today who was doing that, I dont even know if they're actually a musician but i find people who actually take music seriously dont tend to go into comments sections to try to convince everyone else theyre a musician because they already know they are. Its always the ones that dont actually do it that have to go around and proclaim thats what they are, and they're only fooling themselves because its obvious to everyone else how insecure they are. And what's more, they like to get all skeptical if you say you're a musician, as if you care or if from reading your comment they could actually tell. A legitimate musician may be ale to tell based on whether or not they seem to know what they're talking about but you cant tell if they arent giving any signs, its all in how they portray it and the language they do or dont use. But it seems like the ones that go around being a dick about it are the ones that just picked up an instrument and learned maybe 5 songs, and they now feel accomplished and want everyone to know they're the best musician, and after a week or two they don't pick up the instrument again. I've known so many people like that.
This is awesome! Thank you so much confirmation of everything big starts small. Alot has been learned and benefited here. I look forward to be an awesome song writer one day just like you Andrea. Thank you for this video.
Wonderful, it is really nice to meet amazing people, my songs are going to be different from now one. That is going to add a lot flavor for sure. Many Thanks...! Listened to Arvil, as well and it is same style as you did, how wonderful.
Excellent video!! Clear, and we'll explained. I am grateful. Now I can see why Ben Folds "Brick" was so powerful and well structured. Thank you for sharing your tips!
I found you on Berklee Andrea, this is going to be my last try at learning to make tune to song I have written and find out how to play it which chords to choose etc. I have subbed you. I'm from Oswestry, Shropshire UK Thank you!
i agree with you in some ways. This girl is good and has writing techniques but what makes an artist an artist is making his own stuffs and style. Musicians study how to play instruments and explore them by themselves and experiment by doing something new..i love School of Rock too!!! This girl should go out there play her own songs even though some artist already sang those.
Nice to meet you Andre Stoelpe,Love the way you approach teaching songwritting.Hope to get into the Berklee EdX . Just purchasd your ebook through google playstore and it's very good so far :-)
Tom Sullivan These techniques are legit designed to teach you to write the most generic song ever. I suppose once you understand the concepts of generic songwritng, you can then make it unique. Lol idk why I’m responding this was so long ago
awesome and very inspiring... thank you... and as for the smart ones posting negativities; research and factual information support criticisms . if you look at her website you'll see who's actually cut her songs. lol. and as for those who take lessons. wow, i guess you've never heard of john mayer or melissa ethridge who both went to berklee. john mayer actually said he wrote some of his first song in his first semester of the songwriting course. haha, this is blunt honesty... peace ns.
@trikespotter Actually, that quote was first found in a famous Woody Allen film which was produced when Jack Black was in diapers...lol. You'd be surprised how often and to what extent successful artists study their craft. It's usually those who are creatively blocked who perpetuate the notion that "you either got it or you don't" and that "true artists don't need to study or work at it". The whole process requires a great deal of work, technical, and spiritual. And the work never ends .
@trikespotter im a finalist for make it break it awards iv just played my first gig im getting noticed and i started writing because of this video-so jog on :P
Wow! Not always I get someone to even half agree with my point of view. BTW, aren't you that girl who has the song Sana? I heard that. Love the production on it. Rock, without actually being rock. :D
Hi i have a question: So i wrote lyrics down on paper before putting some chords down the song is a sad rock song with Dm, Am, Bm, chords. but i am having trouble coming up with the melody part for it?
Only those who can do can teach e.i. Andres Segovia's Masterclass, Kurt Vonnegut's/E.B. White's/ Frank Lloyd Wright's Collegiate History. There is a curve in education just like everywhere else in the world. Just because you had a subpar gym teacher doesn't mean you can't learn a thing or two from this woman.
@andreastolpe heya-can i thank you for poasting this vid iv written some great material and came top 6 in my agegroup (14-16) for make it break it awards :D (an international british songwriting competition) kind regards from across the pond arthur
Ok, so maybe I was a bit blunt. Each to their own I suppose. You always need a bit of theory just to get the ball rolling. Actually using the Billboard Top 100 as a reference was a really bad choice coz I don't care much for commercial music and I'm not even from the US. :D Just thought it was a suitable comparison at the time. In the music biz myself, but I'm just a stubborn fool who believes in original talent more so than "by the book" stuff. No disrespect intended. Keep up the good work! :D
@izaacmusic1 Which Woody Allen film? Was it post Annie Hall? I stopped watching then coz the humour was way too anal. It still sounds best from the goofy style of JB though. I can imagine it being a Woody Allen line alright, but never have I heard it.. Take the Money And Run? Bananas? Sleeper? Annie Hall? At least you didn't outrightly swear at me, so kudos to you for understanding of opinions, and you have a good point of how artists need to continually work at progressing. I could go on... but
@trikespotter - you're a patronising half-wit. Bach, Mozart and Beethoven all taught music. Picasso was rigorously trained by his father, a professor of fine art and a painter himself, from the age of 7. He studied formally for about 10 years. All great, original creative artists spend many years of hard work acquiring the skills they need to express themselves to a standard they find acceptable. Blunt honesty:? Try to find a topic you're not pitifully ignorant about.
@EleasDubh "These things come through real feeling and practice of technique. Play your own way, don't copy hers, or it won't sound natural." You've got one supporter here. Looks like now that we're a couple of eejits. 9 short of a full team. lol...
You're as lovely as warm summer day, Sweet Andréa... 🌹 Birds sing in every move you make Flowers bloom in every word you say Oh a woman troubadours shout about Sweet Sweet Andréa... Angels cried when He made you Earth was moved Stars hurled away Mountains shook Clouds skipped Thunder struck and there you stood Sweet Sweet...Sweet Andréa... Beautiful as a warm summer's day... SWAK
Anyone who has to learn song-writing (especially like this) is not a natural born song-writer & thus, only an imitation of one (which will reflect the quality of the actual song-writing). The inexperienced may regard this & possibly get some info, but it will never make them into a true profound songwriter-only a simple one. If you want to learn about good song-writing, then LISTEN to good songs from good songwriter, if you have an ear, you'll learn. And If you can't learn by that kind of
You should contact Rick Beato and let him overhaul your channel and try again. Lol I just say that because it seems like you got a ton to give but you got too busy to make more videos
trikespotter how you gonna dog somebody for giving back a little and trying to help other ppl? yes from the heart cuz SONGS NEED FEEL most important, however these tools will aid ppl to express those feelings to others through the art, so go hate on somebody else. thanks
i love your lessons Andrea S i wish you could give me your full name so i can be ur friend on face book and we talk music if you don't mind i can write simple music but am not perfect yet please would u help me.?
@DukeIrritable As for my ego, I'm sorry to say you are far from destroying it. I can only prove this by saying that without my replies to your posts, I think your day would be less eventful. And your insults, like water off a duck's back. But, I'm always game for a bit of sport. I reckon you're going to miss me. The difference between you and me though, is that I know and accept I'm a turd. (And btw, I think your dictionary is 'broken'. You used 'narcissist[ic]' twice in your ramblings) G'luck!
Those who can't do.... teach. And those who can't teach.... teach gym. (Jack Black - School Of Rock) Musicians are artists. You think Picasso took lessons? (ok maybe a little) From the heart people, not the "Songwriting for Dummies" book. If she's so good, then why don't I hear her on Billboard Top 100? Sorry. Blunt honesty. :D She can still sing and play guitar though quite well, but who the hell can't these days? :D
Your skepticism is a good thing However, there are tools for songwriting that can be learned to improve our craft. Those tools don't need to replace our original process, but can offer flexibility and growth. When those tools combine with our inspiration, that's when magic can really happen. If you're looking for raw art, look elsewhere than Billboard top 100. Just because you asked, you will find some of my songs there as well. Search for a process that works for you if this isn't it.
I like the melody! If i had come up with those motifs i would’ve make the prechorus, the chorus, with the necessary changes in other sections obviously . I’ll be listening to your songs!
It doesn't hurt to have some theory down, it can only help you expand your creativity. Before, I was writing purely by feel but after reading Andrea's "Popular Lyric Writing" I'm able to write more engaging songs and with greater ease. Don't hate, you'd be surprised how many of your favourite artists have learned and used the exact things that Andrea has mentioned.
@DukeIrritable Oy! "Bach, Mozart and Beethoven all taught music." Then pray tell, who taught them! You missed my point, and I missed your statement. and after all this abuse! Both fighting over nothing! tsk, tsk...
I'm amazed at the amount of ignorant comments. People don't appear to realize that songwriting is a craft as well as an art.
Not only craft can be taught but she is an excellent teacher, and the techniques that she is sharing are pure gold - if you have the ears to receive it.
Exactly. While the techniques are simple and kinda generic sounding, there is Definetly a craft to why it sounds so good.
Music is (foremost) a JOB, it's work. By the time you get to be on that stage, you have done a ton of work. That work needs to be recognised...and loved...
Very useful. It would be nice to see more videos like this from you. Thank you for spending time recording this!
I've been writing songs for about 5 years but never thought about which beat the phrasing started on. Great lesson. Thank you.
Thanks for this great lesson, you made the concept of motif and how to use it in an actual song very clear! And what a beautiful motif and moving harmonic accompaniment!
Thanks Kyle, so glad you found this useful!
Thank you so much for this. Very well explained.
Melodic motif: the fingerprint or DNA of a song that belongs only to that song. It is pitch and rhythm e.g. 4 notes.
Pick a motif and then add techniques.
Techniques:
1. Repetition
2. Lengthening
3. Contrast with the next section (chorus or pre-chorus)
E.g change in note length, raised pitch, shorter phrases, half-measure motif, add new/change motif
4. Start the phrase/melody before the downbeat in the pre-chorus & chorus (in the verse it started after the downbeat)
Thank you so much! This is pure Gold. Starting before the downbeat!
Love this channel... Great, love Berklee, our friend Ed Roland went there! It's amazing how simple songwriting is if you can just remember all the things you learned at the moment of writing the song. So much to consider! Great melodies are hard to write. Ximre's session player talks about general beginner writing ideas and ways to write songs. Ximre has their first video out March 1, 2018.
This is the best lesson on songwriting I have found on youtube.com so far. It's obvious this lady understand song structure. I approach screenwriting in a very structure orientated way, so this is how I would prefer to approach songwriting. I'm just learning to play guitar, but I'd like to write some songs once I feel comfortable enough playing where I can make up some simple melodies and riffs. If anyone knows of a better songwriting instructor (free is best), please let me know.
Check out At home songwriting with Chad Shank he has a channel and free classes on zoom
Many of these comments remind me of the old joke: "How many guitarists does it take to change a lightbulb?"
Answer: "100. One to change the lightbulb and 99 to stand around and say 'I can do it better than that."
Stop being competitive and enjoy what other musicans have to offer. Or go make your music that's "better" and leave the rest of us alone already.
Andrea, thanks for your efforts, I found this most helpful!
That is so brutal, but so damn true. I literally just got into a heated argument with someone in a youtube comments section today who was doing that, I dont even know if they're actually a musician but i find people who actually take music seriously dont tend to go into comments sections to try to convince everyone else theyre a musician because they already know they are. Its always the ones that dont actually do it that have to go around and proclaim thats what they are, and they're only fooling themselves because its obvious to everyone else how insecure they are. And what's more, they like to get all skeptical if you say you're a musician, as if you care or if from reading your comment they could actually tell. A legitimate musician may be ale to tell based on whether or not they seem to know what they're talking about but you cant tell if they arent giving any signs, its all in how they portray it and the language they do or dont use.
But it seems like the ones that go around being a dick about it are the ones that just picked up an instrument and learned maybe 5 songs, and they now feel accomplished and want everyone to know they're the best musician, and after a week or two they don't pick up the instrument again. I've known so many people like that.
This is awesome! Thank you so much confirmation of everything big starts small. Alot has been learned and benefited here. I look forward to be an awesome song writer one day just like you Andrea. Thank you for this video.
Great video, I am sure many have thanked you on here. I just want to add another big thank you. It is a true gift to be able to teach people.
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This is a great lesson. Very clear and concise. Thank you for sharing your craft.
Wonderful, it is really nice to meet amazing people, my songs are going to be different from now one. That is going to add a lot flavor for sure. Many Thanks...! Listened to Arvil, as well and it is same style as you did, how wonderful.
I just found your personal channel...I usually see you on Berkley online...your a very knowledgeable motivational speaker!
Excellent video!! Clear, and we'll explained. I am grateful. Now I can see why Ben Folds "Brick" was so powerful and well structured. Thank you for sharing your tips!
This woman is great, I am gonna her book.
Daniel Gonzalez i am gonna her book?
I found you on Berklee Andrea, this is going to be my last try at learning to make tune to song I have written and find out how to play it which chords to choose etc. I have subbed you. I'm from Oswestry, Shropshire UK Thank you!
I love youtube for videos like this.. She's the best.. Simple and it makes sense in pop music.. ( listens to Depeche Mode)
Thanks a lot Andrea! Really appreciate your effort and work. You are awesome!
Impressive! Just bought your book.... AND SUBSCRIBED.. Would love to see more videos in the future!
i agree with you in some ways. This girl is good and has writing techniques but what makes an artist an artist is making his own stuffs and style. Musicians study how to play instruments and explore them by themselves and experiment by doing something new..i love School of Rock too!!! This girl should go out there play her own songs even though some artist already sang those.
Absolutely great lesson, thanks for the tips
I think she's the author of the smash hit, "I Left My Heart In El Segundo".
Nice to meet you Andre Stoelpe,Love the way you approach teaching songwritting.Hope to get into the Berklee EdX . Just purchasd your ebook through google playstore and it's very good so far :-)
The motif in the verse is very similar to the chorus of "Running up that hill" by Kate Bush.
just had that thought...plus something by Susanne Vega...not being willfully spiteful but I find the whole thing dull
Yes! I heard that right away lol
Tom Sullivan These techniques are legit designed to teach you to write the most generic song ever. I suppose once you understand the concepts of generic songwritng, you can then make it unique. Lol idk why I’m responding this was so long ago
This is very helpful, and I feel like I already kind of understood these things, but you made the structure very clear, thanks!
I Love you ❤ Thanks 🙏 For This Dimond Lesson 😭 Thankyou.....
awesome and very inspiring... thank you... and as for the smart ones posting negativities; research and factual information support criticisms . if you look at her website you'll see who's actually cut her songs. lol. and as for those who take lessons. wow, i guess you've never heard of john mayer or melissa ethridge who both went to berklee. john mayer actually said he wrote some of his first song in his first semester of the songwriting course. haha, this is blunt honesty...
peace
ns.
Beautiful song ...thank you for this very helpful video!
I absolutely love your videos!!!
Thank you so much; amazingly helpful. ✨
Well said and illustrated!
When you write do you start with the chorus, verse, or any particularl part?
This is amazing!
So glad I seen this. Thanks
Thanks!
Very helpful
Great tips Andrea!
Nice tune andrea
u r great
@trikespotter Actually, that quote was first found in a famous Woody Allen film which was produced when Jack Black was in diapers...lol. You'd be surprised how often and to what extent successful artists study their craft. It's usually those who are creatively blocked who perpetuate the notion that "you either got it or you don't" and that "true artists don't need to study or work at it". The whole process requires a great deal of work, technical, and spiritual. And the work never ends .
@TheMusicrox5
That word is motif. I sure liked Andrea's lesson. ... Frank
Hi Andrea: Does your book and teachings cover only Pop music or do you touch on CCM, Urban and Jazz genres?
@trikespotter im a finalist for make it break it awards
iv just played my first gig
im getting noticed
and i started writing because of this video-so jog on :P
Amazing. I luv u.
Wow! Not always I get someone to even half agree with my point of view. BTW, aren't you that girl who has the song Sana? I heard that. Love the production on it. Rock, without actually being rock. :D
u luk pretty like heaven....nice lesson too...
Hi i have a question:
So i wrote lyrics down on paper before putting some chords down the song is a sad rock song with Dm, Am, Bm, chords. but i am having trouble coming up with the melody part for it?
If you play piano or can easily play melodies on guitar, I reccomend just turning on voice memos on your phone and just messing around
I like it
I ain't hatin anyone dude. You pick my point up wrong. People always lookin for the sour side of life. And I thought I was bein bitter. :D
Exactly.
Only those who can do can teach e.i. Andres Segovia's Masterclass, Kurt Vonnegut's/E.B. White's/ Frank Lloyd Wright's Collegiate History. There is a curve in education just like everywhere else in the world. Just because you had a subpar gym teacher doesn't mean you can't learn a thing or two from this woman.
@ ngholden - hahaha.. where have you been the past year plus?
nice, thank you :)
No kidding, Hendrix was a pop star, so was Sinatra...
Hi, i write songs and i need an a opinion please answer me
Excellent.
DDR
@lukauskis Very true, however "stuff" is never plural.
What a beautiful woman!
Whats your website?
@300MUSIC not all ideas but nearly all ideas... i think that's true
@andreastolpe heya-can i thank you for poasting this vid
iv written some great material and came top 6 in my agegroup (14-16) for make it break it awards :D (an international british songwriting competition)
kind regards from across the pond
arthur
Ok, so maybe I was a bit blunt. Each to their own I suppose. You always need a bit of theory just to get the ball rolling. Actually using the Billboard Top 100 as a reference was a really bad choice coz I don't care much for commercial music and I'm not even from the US. :D Just thought it was a suitable comparison at the time. In the music biz myself, but I'm just a stubborn fool who believes in original talent more so than "by the book" stuff. No disrespect intended. Keep up the good work! :D
@Willyboy933 lol, only if you wanna write songs
@MegaSissylala thumbs up! (I actually thumbed up your comment but also wanted to write it down..lol)
One day at a time,see.
@zacaryyracaz I got it sent to me to view and I got as far as the first minute. hahaha
@izaacmusic1 Which Woody Allen film? Was it post Annie Hall? I stopped watching then coz the humour was way too anal. It still sounds best from the goofy style of JB though. I can imagine it being a Woody Allen line alright, but never have I heard it.. Take the Money And Run? Bananas? Sleeper? Annie Hall? At least you didn't outrightly swear at me, so kudos to you for understanding of opinions, and you have a good point of how artists need to continually work at progressing. I could go on... but
nice video. you are very beautiful
@trikespotter - you're a patronising half-wit.
Bach, Mozart and Beethoven all taught music. Picasso was rigorously trained by his father, a professor of fine art and a painter himself, from the age of 7. He studied formally for about 10 years.
All great, original creative artists spend many years of hard work acquiring the skills they need to express themselves to a standard they find acceptable.
Blunt honesty:? Try to find a topic you're not pitifully ignorant about.
@EleasDubh "These things come through real feeling and practice of technique. Play your own way, don't copy hers, or it won't sound natural."
You've got one supporter here. Looks like now that we're a couple of eejits. 9 short of a full team. lol...
You're as lovely as warm summer day,
Sweet Andréa... 🌹
Birds sing in every move you make
Flowers bloom in every word you say
Oh a woman troubadours shout about
Sweet Sweet Andréa...
Angels cried when He made you
Earth was moved
Stars hurled away
Mountains shook
Clouds skipped
Thunder struck and there you stood
Sweet Sweet...Sweet Andréa...
Beautiful as a warm summer's day...
SWAK
false.
Cobain played blues guitar. The entire concept is to create and the improv on a motif with your own voice.
Anyone who has to learn song-writing (especially like this) is not a natural born song-writer & thus, only an imitation of one (which will reflect the quality of the actual song-writing). The inexperienced may regard this & possibly get some info, but it will never make them into a true profound songwriter-only a simple one. If you want to learn about good song-writing, then LISTEN to good songs from good songwriter, if you have an ear, you'll learn. And If you can't learn by that kind of
It's good for amateurs songwriting only
@trikespotter fair enough
i just lose it easily :L its my greatest strength
:P and to be brutally honest-youtube makes everyone look like a twat :L
I do?
You should contact Rick Beato and let him overhaul your channel and try again. Lol I just say that because it seems like you got a ton to give but you got too busy to make more videos
Yup!!....I'm pretty sure I just fell in love with you. Wait a minute......um? Yeah, i'm in love.
trikespotter how you gonna dog somebody for giving back a little and trying to help other ppl? yes from the heart cuz SONGS NEED FEEL most important, however these tools will aid ppl to express those feelings to others through the art, so go hate on somebody else. thanks
i love your lessons Andrea S i wish you could give me your full name so i can be ur friend on face book and we talk music if you don't mind i can write simple music but am not perfect yet please would u help me.?
listening, then you sure won't learn from this kind of listening.
$40, 000 Berkly tuition and you get DE DA DA DA. WOW!
@DukeIrritable As for my ego, I'm sorry to say you are far from destroying it. I can only prove this by saying that without my replies to your posts, I think your day would be less eventful. And your insults, like water off a duck's back. But, I'm always game for a bit of sport. I reckon you're going to miss me. The difference between you and me though, is that I know and accept I'm a turd. (And btw, I think your dictionary is 'broken'. You used 'narcissist[ic]' twice in your ramblings) G'luck!
this is very very simple songwriting. i wouldn't necessarily call 4 ascending notes a particularly interesting melodic phrase or 'motif'.
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+Jacob Claro soory
cobain never used these stuffs, remember kids :)
believe you can do better.
Mazz Criez Music Institute
Those who can't do.... teach.
And those who can't teach.... teach gym.
(Jack Black - School Of Rock)
Musicians are artists. You think Picasso took lessons? (ok maybe a little) From the heart people, not the "Songwriting for Dummies" book. If she's so good, then why don't I hear her on Billboard Top 100? Sorry. Blunt honesty. :D She can still sing and play guitar though quite well, but who the hell can't these days? :D
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You talk to much
So pretty...it's hard to concentrate on what she's saying...
Your skepticism is a good thing However, there are tools for songwriting that can be learned to improve our craft. Those tools don't need to replace our original process, but can offer flexibility and growth. When those tools combine with our inspiration, that's when magic can really happen. If you're looking for raw art, look elsewhere than Billboard top 100. Just because you asked, you will find some of my songs there as well. Search for a process that works for you if this isn't it.
Well said!
I like the melody! If i had come up with those motifs i would’ve make the prechorus, the chorus, with the necessary changes in other sections obviously . I’ll be listening to your songs!
Hi, i write songs and i need an a opinion please answer me
Don't quit your day job Lierni!
This is one of the most helpful songwriting tutorials I've watched. I actually took notes. Thanks for sharing your insight!
11 years later and she’s still as beautiful as ever
Amen!
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It doesn't hurt to have some theory down, it can only help you expand your creativity. Before, I was writing purely by feel but after reading Andrea's "Popular Lyric Writing" I'm able to write more engaging songs and with greater ease. Don't hate, you'd be surprised how many of your favourite artists have learned and used the exact things that Andrea has mentioned.
Where would I find this?
@DukeIrritable Oy! "Bach, Mozart and Beethoven all taught music."
Then pray tell, who taught them! You missed my point, and I missed your statement. and after all this abuse! Both fighting over nothing! tsk, tsk...
Andrea are you ever in the UK - I think I'm in love!
Why isn’t this woman more famous?