They are wired in the same way as everyone else, that’s why their songs are successful with the crowd. Actually the last improv sounded to me as: Coldplay's Adventure of a Lifetime
It certainly takes chemistry for the songwriters to write together. When you find it, cherish the gift. Rarely does one person write an entire piece alone. Thanks for your report CBS Morning! .
What the hell is wrong with the comments section? Kara DioGuardi, Justin Tranter and Ross Golan are amazing songwriters.....Just because you guys have a bias against pop music in general doesn't mean that these people aren't good songwriters.
Thank You, someone speaking sense!! I personally saw this as a celebration of their talent and letting them have a little of the spotlight for once and NOT people exposing the industry. For as long as there's been music there's also been co-writers that don't perform what they write and i'm surprised at how many people didn't know that.
it comes from the purists and snobs who live in a dreamworld thinking that all artists should write their songs all by themselves, that their "god given talent" should be so pure and genuine that outside influence can only diminish their genius.
HOLISTIC SONGWRITING...nice one for producing a superb solid songwriter's forum.. Poppy Paul....Totally agree with your thoughts. One or two things many folk are forgetting here is that there are specialists in every area of the music world. There are singers, there are lyricists and there are composers. On top of this there is Management(when things start to grow beyond the norm..SUCCESS arrives and everything has to be catered for on an Industrial scale). Very rarely does one artist arrive on the planet who is exceptional as a singer, lyricist and composer(and can manage themselves). Therefore folk are needed to fill these voids. That's where TEAMWORK and sharing the load comes in. Where artists fail sometimes is, it seems, is that those artists are not recognising or not accepting that other lyricists and composers may just be on another level compared to them, which can hand them a better chance of success. Most(not all) of the strongest, most successful songs down through history have been written and adjusted, then re-written by teams of individuals who, in their own area are bright and exceptional in their own area of excellence.. Possibly the biggest word in the Music Industry which floats around some top folk is the simple word SHARE. Some artists can nail a great song(in full), then spend the next thirty years working in a shed(so to speak) on their own, not realising that by just opening up and developing the ability to share a project with a few exceptional folk(and recognising both party's gifts), this move alone can bring one and all great success. Personally i think one of the biggest areas artists should explore is development in their musical journey IN the area of SHARING...coupled with trust. Also a lot of this area can be dogged by sharing, then developing EGOS....some say egos should be left at the door...i say, DON'T ALLOW THEM TO DEVELOP IN THE FIRST PLACE..and recognise gifts in collaborators and allow them to flourish when working with them. SHARING opens doors...HISTORY PROVES MY POINTS. Regards to all, Good luck to all Songwriters, Artists and Management Companies. Sonic Foxx, SONIC FOXX MUSIC.
Let me say this. And hopefully you understand it is just ONE person's perspective, one somewhat-humble human. I am a lifelong musician. 25+ years practicing my instruments. Classical piano, rock and blues guitar, harmonica, singing covers, playing other people's compositions and music. But every now and then, over the years, I've written my own song (and writing much more lately). My own music and tracks, and sometimes even recorded them. And sometimes shared them. And *my view (only me)* is that there is about 100x more difficulty and respect in writing AND performing your own music than simply performing (or tweaking someone else's song). It's just so, so much harder to both write AND perform the music. It takes SO much more from inside of you, compared to simply performing a piece of music you've been handed. This isn't HATE on performers... like I just said, I've got 25 freakin' years as one. It's mostly that I would like it, if musicians who wrote and performed their OWN work got the lion's share of the credit, but I can understand why a pop song written by a team of 3 people, sung by a global performance-focused superstar, produced by a team of lifetime sound engineers and backed by major-label publicity and advertising... well it's not meant as HATE to say I wish this type of competition wasn't so hard to fight through XD But I mean, really... isn't there just more "personality" in the music written and performed and produced by a smaller team, or a single artist? Kind of like a strong single-malt scotch. not to everyone's taste, but can't deny it's got flavor and a sense of coming from a unique place tl;dr: i dont know
Yeah, I mostly agree for my tastes but I guess pop could be seen more like a hollywood movie, where there's a script writer, director, and then actor who brings it to life. Like Hollywood, it can be incredible or absolute trash. Anyways, if you're unfamiliar, check out Tame Impala. Every instrument, lyric, vocal, and even the mixing (latest album) is done by one person and he's crossed over into the mainstream with some really unique production, catchy melodies, and great lyrics. th-cam.com/video/pFptt7Cargc/w-d-xo.html
YES BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO SELL A COMMODITY WHY not dress it up well, I used to sing all the hits in a bar with a guitar, and it went a storm WHY I ASK Gifted with a more than average voice ? YES I GUESS IT WAS MY ENTHUSIASM THEY LIKED . And choosing the right songs for the audience When was this ?? During The Beatles REIN Has it all changed that much ?? Maybe its too diverse today, We had the odd clowns who would say give us some HENDRIX or Bob Dylan, As much as I loved those Two they were not right for or me I still write today and have my own Publishing House Enjoy yourselves The Best Writers are those that perform their own songs always will be
how many of you ranting against these songwriters are failed and disillusioned singer/songwriters yourselves? is it so hard for you to see somebody achieve the success you feel YOU deserve, being such a genius? does their success make you feel even more of a failure to the point that you have to diss them just so can feel a little better? are they less songwriters just cause they write songs way better than you ever could, pitching them to artists who probably sing way better then you do?
Being humble, listening, and being willing to combine ideas is a HUGE part of collaboration. And to those who are being all poopy about pop songwriters, or about them not singing their own songs, go be a downer somewhere else. It's tough to write a hit song, and some people want to write music but not deal with the performance side of things. Also, if you want to eat, you make things with commercialability to pitch to labels, and write the other things that mean more to you personally for yourself or smaller artists. Songwriting is an art, regardless.
A lot of artist's do write their own material but they dont make the record because it's not a hit. And that's fine. Popstars have love for the music or they wouldn't do it. Plus a lot of popstars play instruments too. That doesnt mean they arent talented. A lot of the biggest songs are written by a group of people in a room. Not just one person. Spread positivity, these vocalists are very talented and don't get enough credit.
I’ll summarize: Dont treat it like music, treat it like a product that sells. Take all the art and creativity of self expression out of the song because its for someone else not you. Simply write for the impressionable listener base who consumes trends. Mainly targeting women. Thats the truth.
It would've been cool to add some older songwriters to this meeting to compare songwriting across the decades. Someone along the lines of Paul McCartney, Billy Joel and Elton John, but since they're extremely popular musical acts, it might be a bit hard to arrange for a CBS morning news station. Edit: also a classical composer
I feel like an Alien. When I write Songs I always have the chords and melody first. And then I Look for the Text that could fit good with the rhythm and melody
You don't have to feel like that. Many succesful writers do it the same way as yours. Myself (I am not famous yet, haha!) I can do it both ways. In my computer i got a lot of melodies/chords I made as a basic for songs, but I also got a few lyricists sending me lyrics regularly and I make songs out of them.
I wish these people just created a band and became a huge act instead of underselling their songs to random people :( I really don't dig artists that don't write their own stuff :(
captain johnny It’s true that he only wrote about 30% of Off The Wall but he wrote most pf the songs on Thriller, all songs on bad except Man in the Mirror and I Just cant stop loving you and most songs on his three last albums. He wrote most of his (in my opinion) best songs like Beat it, Billie Jean, Black or White, They dont care about us, You rock my World and Who is it to only name a few
Sneaker Hub I didn’t say Michael Jackson write Thriller or that he did the album all by himself. But you can listen to demos to most of the songs I listed where Michael just came up with the song. Also, Quincy only worked on Off the wall, Thriller and Bad. Michael took help from other people for Dangerous, History and Invincible
Beto Dual i am a songwriter too and I'm finding someone who's willing to sing ..if you're interested just tell me your fb acc coz i will message you and I'll help you with the song
What's wrong with helping eople by writing the songs that others will sing? What about artists who write, and give their songs to other people to sing? So basically, I feel like you guys are saying that if you don't write your own music, you're not a "true artist". Some people may not have the gift or talent for songwriting. We all have our strengths and weaknesses. So what? Yes, I like when people write their own usic, but not everyone may know how or have the skills. Just like some eople can play several instruments, while others just sing. This is bad as calling the musician not a true artist because they on't sing, and vice versa. Come on, guys.I personally found this whole thing very exciting and intriguing. I would love to be a fly on the wall in whatever room they ork in, just to hear the whole process! I would love to write my own songs, but my poetry always comes out wrong. So what? Am I less of a singer because I can't write poems to fit the melodies in my head? I'm using that as an example, not to pull this long post onto myself.I didn't think any one of those songwriters pulled attention onto themselves. Maybe those personal conversations really do happen in there. We're not there, we don't know. And to say that no one will remember a song is making a tremenou assumption, in my opinion, because what if somebody does remember? Always and never lie.
Would you put a cover band or artist in the same league as an artist who sings their own songs? If you're singing someone else's words, or playing someone else's music, you are essentially just a cover singer. Nothing wrong with that, unless you're earning millions and pretending otherwise. Let's take a closer look at the issue. Most labels, especially majors have teams of writers (in or out-house). They all want to write for a big artist, why? Because it gets air play and stage play, ie royalties. That leads to three issues: 1) big artists also want some of that steady income, and have clout in the company, therefore songwriters can be forced to add creative credit on to a song by artists, managers etc; 2) Writers write for the big artists: if you know something works for an artist you emulate it, in the hope that that artist, or another big one, will buy it. This kills creativity in the pop industry by homogenising it; 3) Smaller artists get royally destroyed if they are not creators: every label, even a major, has limited resources. Big artists eat those resources, especially now, as labels are more likely to go for a certain hit from an established artist, as it is a concrete return on investment at a precarious time for the industry. As a result, smaller or new artists have to wait for resources to become available for a release. That includes melodies, lyrics and arrangements, and means either waiting for the writing team to get around to the nacent artist, or them taking the scraps left by the big-name artists. Fledgling, non-creative artists therefore have a stark choice: try the less-certain songs, which may work out, or sit and stagnate while hoping the label invests in you at some point. So what's wrong with people just singing stuff written by others? Well, quite a lot really.
I don't know you but I love you and this post!!!! I'm a songwriter and I agree with this 1,000,000%!!!!!!! I have an amazing gift of songwriting but my singing is mediocre and very basic Singing is my weakness but man I can make it up in my writing Thank you so much for this post ❤❤❤❤❤
Great illustration of HOW THINKS WORK. Great to see writers get credit. Most producers are NOT the musician or songwriter, either. They just own the studio and allocate the publishing to themselves.
at some degree though, more and more people are coming up today who do literally everything on their own, im one of them and i know alot aswell, one word gets credited as a writer on a song, so you never know exactly anything unless they speak about it
Since I was a tween I hear original music (full band) and lyrics, that come at ANY time of day doing unrelated things...these song and lyrics come instantly in large “stanzas” ... then they are filed away in my mind like a Rolodex and is a constant working puzzle I go back and play around with when I’m doing things that are mundane like washing dishes or taking shower or riding/driving. I’ve written full albums but no one has heard any of it because it’s just a game I play with myself to cope (I had a rough childhood) and don’t think anyone would be interested as I can’t really sing well IMO and just doodle around with a guitar. For a while I’ve called the place the music comes from “the hollow” just to call it something. Idk what this is, but recently learning how John Williams and other composers write (it is basically math to them, they don’t “hear” anything before they write it) I’ve started to realize how weird this is, kinda worried I have some sort of mental disorder... I’ve never talked to anyone about it. Note: recently found that weed only enhances it, like instead of standing outside of a club hearing the band play (you can hear melody and make out some lyrics in a semi-clear muffled way) weed opens the front door and I can hear more of the same but more well-defined details. Anyone else??
I want to collaborate cause I know I could be way better with more ears in the process, but how do you reconcile who gets credit and such? The fear of writing something great and having someone else take credit holds me back. What's the resolution?
The few pop artists that write most of their music but still write with professional song writers are Ed Sheeran, Bruno Mars, Taylor swift, Charli puth, Nick Jonas and shawn Mendes and Meghan trainor oh and Demi lavoto... Keep in mind I only listed the pop category so don't @ me saying I forgot an artist that isn't even pop. But yeah those artists don't really need songwriters but sometimes they write with them to kind of bounce ideas... Then u have the so called"artists" who only contribute about 25 to 35 percent to get some writing credit but without the song writers they wouldn't be able to write songs alone like the artists I listed above.. there's a definite divide in the pop world of pop stars who are just the voice and image vs pop stars who are also creators writers and composers
@Oscar Siddle fake fake credits.man...its not a 10 page song that u need 10 people to write it...it was written by a band ...but u change one line...and u get the credit
nobody knows the process of making these songs, I came here from interview with selena gomez on apple where she speaks about her new album, she mentioned that brought the lines from her own diary and asked to Justin Tranter to make songs for her and then he transformed it into hits... but under her video on youtube there is no mention about him,she paid for this so she is the owner... But the interview is the key, real songwriters know why used such words in certain phrase, what did he mean on that time. But "the owner/ searching the word to descible simple feelings like how do you feel.
Don't be so ignorant. Autotune can't fix a bad bad performance and make 'anyone a singer' at all. (trust me I've tried). And anyway, most huge artists at least co write their songs. Especially right now.
So that means if your favorite artist has a very meaningful lyric, they probably didn't write it. And if they have a cringy lyric, they also probably didn't write it as well.
Wow..... Songwriting is a form of therapy and intimacy. We have to be honest with ourselves, so, it will effect others. Heart first then it will get the head.
Miss when the singers actually wrote the songs and composed their own songs , like imagine just Bieber cranking out all these songs on a piano and guitar like the Beatles .
Id never thought id say this , but it sounds pretty neat having people making songs for you. Like , you write first like , 2 albums yerself, and then all these ppl pretty much know what your whole trip in life is about and they can crank up next 2 albums easily and better yet, you get to choose if you take them songs or leave them out , etc
I've read that brad Paisley will recruit song writers to go up to a retreat and seclude themselves away and take some ideas he's had or make an album of songs all stone time...
sure its not bohemian rhapsody but honestly think for a moment if this was something so dumb and easy surely anyone can write a hit song that is definitely not the case. but to be real musical IQ of the people have progressively degraded so much ever since the dawn of grunge (circa nirvana early 90s)
Grunge was interesting, but nothing groundbreaking in my opinion. Cool tunes here and there, but mediocrity everywhere. 'Smells like Teen Spirit' isn't a great song, but has a great vibe. Lyrics are meaningless and chords are predictable, but I guess Kurt was a 'genius' because he made everyone think he was a musician.
You are saying thay like they are forces by gun point like slaves. Its their decision to sell their songwriting talents, its a lucrative business, has been since the 19th century.
I will never understand why/how these kind of people write multi-million valued songs for one other person to put their name on it? That's like the Beatles writing their songs for another band. Why not just sing and perform the songs yourself?
The musicians that write their own stuff is on the ''Pre-Grammy'' stage, across the street, in the morning. Bluegrass, Rock, ''Heavy Metal'', all those guys are the ones you don't see anymore.
most of these songs are contrived and won't stand up to the great classic songs . they will not stand the test of time like say 'the sound of silence' or 'knowing me knowing you'...mainly because they don't come from a place of true human emotion. its faked for a paycheck
I know someone that has written over 5000 songs in less then 2 years and some of them are on YT under josh Ewart and the guy who done his videos for him cayden cole
they actually sing it better than the so called "artist". Didnt know a person that just jumps around stage while fireworks are going off singing someone elses work was considered an "artist"
1. The artists sometimes sings it better or has a more unique sound 2. The songwriter doesn’t want the limelight 3. The artist is also a performer Art is art. Everyone comes together and makes it work. They’re all artists
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This is why pop music is the industry dominant: Because if the pop stars were left to write their own music, it would be a failure (undisciplined culture) leaving the industry exposed to natural selection (those who are more disciplined and passionate whom actually write good and involved material such as what metal artists do, yet rarely get the recognition for it because of the industry of pop hacks). If this wasn't a world of labels hiring boomers to do the hard work for the spoiled pop stars, many more people would be listening to quality song writing by those with more intelligence and integrity, and helping to raise the IQ of the general public.
All you need is money ,a. malleable face , Quality vocal auto tune three songwriters and boom you are now a pop star!! Don't forget to make it no more than three minutes long And jam packed full with sexual innuendos 👍
Why don't the original writers play out as a band? Stop furthering advertising specialists!! Billionaires made it so your name doesn't show up in history 😔
This is why all popular music sounds the same its written by the same people.
flashhd Tons of chord progressions sound good, they just cant be more creative
Nah. You forget the fact that these songs charge completely when you add in other parts to the production
there si a very intersing write up somewhere--so many of the top 10 are max martins songs and so many of the same chords etc.
The masses need the same old sounding generic drivel.
They are wired in the same way as everyone else, that’s why their songs are successful with the crowd.
Actually the last improv sounded to me as: Coldplay's Adventure of a Lifetime
It certainly takes chemistry for the songwriters to write together. When you find it, cherish the gift. Rarely does one person write an entire piece alone. Thanks for your report CBS Morning! .
Songwriters share their processes.....uh did I miss something?
Matty D ikr
Glad I read before i watched stupid clickbait
Of course CBS could have nothing of value. I also got clickbaited.
They actually say they keep their secrets and don't share them, so whaaaaatt's up with that??
maybe the secret is that there is no secret?
What the hell is wrong with the comments section? Kara DioGuardi, Justin Tranter and Ross Golan are amazing songwriters.....Just because you guys have a bias against pop music in general doesn't mean that these people aren't good songwriters.
Thank You, someone speaking sense!! I personally saw this as a celebration of their talent and letting them have a little of the spotlight for once and NOT people exposing the industry. For as long as there's been music there's also been co-writers that don't perform what they write and i'm surprised at how many people didn't know that.
I was thinking the same thing!! They are all incredible songwriters, I don't understand why this is getting so much hate.
it comes from the purists and snobs who live in a dreamworld thinking that all artists should write their songs all by themselves, that their "god given talent" should be so pure and genuine that outside influence can only diminish their genius.
HOLISTIC SONGWRITING...nice one for producing a superb solid songwriter's forum..
Poppy Paul....Totally agree with your thoughts.
One or two things many folk are forgetting here is that there are specialists in every area of the music world. There are singers, there are lyricists and there are composers. On top of this there is Management(when things start to grow beyond the norm..SUCCESS arrives and everything has to be catered for on an Industrial scale).
Very rarely does one artist arrive on the planet who is exceptional as a singer, lyricist and composer(and can manage themselves). Therefore folk are needed to fill these voids. That's where TEAMWORK and sharing the load comes in.
Where artists fail sometimes is, it seems, is that those artists are not recognising or not accepting that other lyricists and composers may just be on another level compared to them, which can hand them a better chance of success. Most(not all) of the strongest, most successful songs down through history have been written and adjusted, then re-written by teams of individuals who, in their own area are bright and exceptional in their own area of excellence..
Possibly the biggest word in the Music Industry which floats around some top folk is the simple word SHARE. Some artists can nail a great song(in full), then spend the next thirty years working in a shed(so to speak) on their own, not realising that by just opening up and developing the ability to share a project with a few exceptional folk(and recognising both party's gifts), this move alone can bring one and all great success.
Personally i think one of the biggest areas artists should explore is development in their musical journey IN the area of SHARING...coupled with trust.
Also a lot of this area can be dogged by sharing, then developing EGOS....some say egos should be left at the door...i say, DON'T ALLOW THEM TO DEVELOP IN THE FIRST PLACE..and recognise gifts in collaborators and allow them to flourish when working with them.
SHARING opens doors...HISTORY PROVES MY POINTS.
Regards to all,
Good luck to all Songwriters, Artists and Management Companies.
Sonic Foxx,
SONIC FOXX MUSIC.
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I love this! These songwriters are my kin. As a songwriter I love to hear what other songwriters have created and are still creating. *SALUTE!*
I am trying to get into lyricist profession. I am from India. How do I pave my way? Any guidance is appreciated.
Their live's are so much nicer like they write some of the biggest songs and they can still live a normal life unlike the artists
Let me say this. And hopefully you understand it is just ONE person's perspective, one somewhat-humble human. I am a lifelong musician. 25+ years practicing my instruments. Classical piano, rock and blues guitar, harmonica, singing covers, playing other people's compositions and music. But every now and then, over the years, I've written my own song (and writing much more lately). My own music and tracks, and sometimes even recorded them. And sometimes shared them.
And *my view (only me)* is that there is about 100x more difficulty and respect in writing AND performing your own music than simply performing (or tweaking someone else's song). It's just so, so much harder to both write AND perform the music. It takes SO much more from inside of you, compared to simply performing a piece of music you've been handed.
This isn't HATE on performers... like I just said, I've got 25 freakin' years as one. It's mostly that I would like it, if musicians who wrote and performed their OWN work got the lion's share of the credit, but I can understand why a pop song written by a team of 3 people, sung by a global performance-focused superstar, produced by a team of lifetime sound engineers and backed by major-label publicity and advertising... well it's not meant as HATE to say I wish this type of competition wasn't so hard to fight through XD
But I mean, really... isn't there just more "personality" in the music written and performed and produced by a smaller team, or a single artist? Kind of like a strong single-malt scotch. not to everyone's taste, but can't deny it's got flavor and a sense of coming from a unique place
tl;dr: i dont know
Yeah, I mostly agree for my tastes but I guess pop could be seen more like a hollywood movie, where there's a script writer, director, and then actor who brings it to life. Like Hollywood, it can be incredible or absolute trash. Anyways, if you're unfamiliar, check out Tame Impala. Every instrument, lyric, vocal, and even the mixing (latest album) is done by one person and he's crossed over into the mainstream with some really unique production, catchy melodies, and great lyrics. th-cam.com/video/pFptt7Cargc/w-d-xo.html
John Mayer, Jason mraz ?
YES BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO SELL A COMMODITY WHY not dress it up well, I used to sing all the hits in a bar with a guitar, and it went a storm WHY I ASK Gifted with a more than average voice ? YES I GUESS IT WAS MY ENTHUSIASM THEY LIKED . And choosing the right songs for the audience
When was this ?? During The Beatles REIN Has it all changed that much ?? Maybe its too diverse today, We had the odd clowns who would say give us some HENDRIX or Bob Dylan, As much as I loved those Two they were not right for or me I still write today and have my own Publishing House Enjoy yourselves The Best Writers are those that perform their own songs always will be
so if someone handed you a song that you thought was an absolute smash, would you NOT take it?
@@peterwood-jenkins3634 I feel that for Merle haggard...rip.and some folk artists they got me interested in songwriting...
So many artist today can't write lyrics and that is SAD. Its just big business crap.
So many singers*
Ok boomer dad, time to take your meds again
but those 3 people do it with love and that's what matters, right ?
Michael Jackson and other “older” artists didn’t write there own lyrics either. I think it’s mostly just a pop thing.
do you think songwriters are a new invention?
how many of you ranting against these songwriters are failed and disillusioned singer/songwriters yourselves? is it so hard for you to see somebody achieve the success you feel YOU deserve, being such a genius? does their success make you feel even more of a failure to the point that you have to diss them just so can feel a little better? are they less songwriters just cause they write songs way better than you ever could, pitching them to artists who probably sing way better then you do?
I was looking for a reply like that...not everyone is great at finding a good melody just by humming.
@@mehulthakral6051 Including these guys
Came here to see their "process". Left 6:16 minutes older
hahahaha mood
Being humble, listening, and being willing to combine ideas is a HUGE part of collaboration. And to those who are being all poopy about pop songwriters, or about them not singing their own songs, go be a downer somewhere else. It's tough to write a hit song, and some people want to write music but not deal with the performance side of things. Also, if you want to eat, you make things with commercialability to pitch to labels, and write the other things that mean more to you personally for yourself or smaller artists. Songwriting is an art, regardless.
A lot of artist's do write their own material but they dont make the record because it's not a hit. And that's fine. Popstars have love for the music or they wouldn't do it. Plus a lot of popstars play instruments too. That doesnt mean they arent talented. A lot of the biggest songs are written by a group of people in a room. Not just one person. Spread positivity, these vocalists are very talented and don't get enough credit.
Musicians have only ever been 'tools'.
I’ll summarize: Dont treat it like music, treat it like a product that sells. Take all the art and creativity of self expression out of the song because its for someone else not you. Simply write for the impressionable listener base who consumes trends. Mainly targeting women. Thats the truth.
Thank you! Facts is facts.
It would've been cool to add some older songwriters to this meeting to compare songwriting across the decades. Someone along the lines of Paul McCartney, Billy Joel and Elton John, but since they're extremely popular musical acts, it might be a bit hard to arrange for a CBS morning news station.
Edit: also a classical composer
Literally bob dylans written most of the modern pop hits as well
Yeah that’s right silly Nelson pasty’s cline and so so many more greats that are gone on now
Elton John's songs are written by Bernie Taupin.
Uh... Elton didn't write his biggest hits!
JustAPerson Bernie wrote the lyrics, Elton wrote the melodies
I feel like an Alien. When I write Songs I always have the chords and melody first. And then I Look for the Text that could fit good with the rhythm and melody
A lot of artists actually do it this way around, from what i've seen the ones who do it lyrics-first are the aliens :)
You don't have to feel like that. Many succesful writers do it the same way as yours. Myself (I am not famous yet, haha!) I can do it both ways. In my computer i got a lot of melodies/chords I made as a basic for songs, but I also got a few lyricists sending me lyrics regularly and I make songs out of them.
I wish these people just created a band and became a huge act instead of underselling their songs to random people :( I really don't dig artists that don't write their own stuff :(
wow so true
It's subjective.. Some people don't care, as long as it sounds good..
Even Michael Jackson didn't write some of his stuff. He only wrote like 30% of Off the Wall
captain johnny It’s true that he only wrote about 30% of Off The Wall but he wrote most pf the songs on Thriller, all songs on bad except Man in the Mirror and I Just cant stop loving you and most songs on his three last albums. He wrote most of his (in my opinion) best songs like Beat it, Billie Jean, Black or White, They dont care about us, You rock my World and Who is it to only name a few
Sneaker Hub I didn’t say Michael Jackson write Thriller or that he did the album all by himself. But you can listen to demos to most of the songs I listed where Michael just came up with the song. Also, Quincy only worked on Off the wall, Thriller and Bad. Michael took help from other people for Dangerous, History and Invincible
I am a songwriter, and would love to have one of my songs published in a major, or underground market.
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How do you do it sir? Some advice for aspiring songwriters out there
Beto Dual i am a songwriter too and I'm finding someone who's willing to sing ..if you're interested just tell me your fb acc coz i will message you and I'll help you with the song
Let's claim it.
😎 This is why I have so many hit songs under my belt. 😎
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Lol funny to see you here
Random Thought: It’s kind of funny to think that some of the greatest songwriters can’t even sing😂
Thats why others sing them.
@@Itsme-vd3dx oh no for sure! I’m aware! Honestly, that’s one of the best ways to make money in the music industry
@@thechloeolivia2262 Yep, and you can live a normal family life and nobody knows :)
@@Itsme-vd3dx THATS THE BESTTTT PARTTTT
Stephen Hawking was smarter than everyone yet couldn't write with a pencil. Everyone is gifted in different ways.
What's wrong with helping eople by writing the songs that others will sing? What about artists who write, and give their songs to other people to sing? So basically, I feel like you guys are saying that if you don't write your own music, you're not a "true artist". Some people may not have the gift or talent for songwriting. We all have our strengths and weaknesses. So what? Yes, I like when people write their own usic, but not everyone may know how or have the skills. Just like some eople can play several instruments, while others just sing. This is bad as calling the musician not a true artist because they on't sing, and vice versa. Come on, guys.I personally found this whole thing very exciting and intriguing. I would love to be a fly on the wall in whatever room they ork in, just to hear the whole process! I would love to write my own songs, but my poetry always comes out wrong. So what? Am I less of a singer because I can't write poems to fit the melodies in my head? I'm using that as an example, not to pull this long post onto myself.I didn't think any one of those songwriters pulled attention onto themselves. Maybe those personal conversations really do happen in there. We're not there, we don't know. And to say that no one will remember a song is making a tremenou assumption, in my opinion, because what if somebody does remember? Always and never lie.
They should be called performers not artists if they don't write. If they can't write a song then why should they be in the song writing business.
Would you put a cover band or artist in the same league as an artist who sings their own songs? If you're singing someone else's words, or playing someone else's music, you are essentially just a cover singer. Nothing wrong with that, unless you're earning millions and pretending otherwise.
Let's take a closer look at the issue. Most labels, especially majors have teams of writers (in or out-house). They all want to write for a big artist, why? Because it gets air play and stage play, ie royalties.
That leads to three issues:
1) big artists also want some of that steady income, and have clout in the company, therefore songwriters can be forced to add creative credit on to a song by artists, managers etc;
2) Writers write for the big artists: if you know something works for an artist you emulate it, in the hope that that artist, or another big one, will buy it. This kills creativity in the pop industry by homogenising it;
3) Smaller artists get royally destroyed if they are not creators: every label, even a major, has limited resources. Big artists eat those resources, especially now, as labels are more likely to go for a certain hit from an established artist, as it is a concrete return on investment at a precarious time for the industry. As a result, smaller or new artists have to wait for resources to become available for a release. That includes melodies, lyrics and arrangements, and means either waiting for the writing team to get around to the nacent artist, or them taking the scraps left by the big-name artists. Fledgling, non-creative artists therefore have a stark choice: try the less-certain songs, which may work out, or sit and stagnate while hoping the label invests in you at some point.
So what's wrong with people just singing stuff written by others? Well, quite a lot really.
Thank you, Ms Park. I'm sure there are numerous other issues too, but those are the ones that sprang immediately to mind.
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I don't know you but I love you and this post!!!!
I'm a songwriter and I agree with this 1,000,000%!!!!!!!
I have an amazing gift of songwriting but my singing is mediocre and very basic
Singing is my weakness but man I can make it up in my writing
Thank you so much for this post ❤❤❤❤❤
I’m cool with the pop song structure but I hate that so many artists don’t write their own stuff.
Wow it is sad that these people aren't singing their music
Sad reality. If they sing their own songs, it will be underrated.
Songwriters and top liners understand the role
They get tons of royalties tho.
Guys stop hating on these guys, they make their money doing what they live
I reckon they're inspiring, guys like this are my heroes
Great illustration of HOW THINKS WORK. Great to see writers get credit. Most producers are NOT the musician or songwriter, either. They just own the studio and allocate the publishing to themselves.
This is untrue
pop music isn't an art. it's a science.
No.
really interesting insights in the process
These three are the real talent. The faces you know, you only know because they're pretty.
Not true at all. I wish people would ditch that whole misconception.
at some degree though, more and more people are coming up today who do literally everything on their own, im one of them and i know alot aswell, one word gets credited as a writer on a song, so you never know exactly anything unless they speak about it
Taking bits and pieces from todays hit makers. Gems being dropped!!
Since I was a tween I hear original music (full band) and lyrics, that come at ANY time of day doing unrelated things...these song and lyrics come instantly in large “stanzas” ... then they are filed away in my mind like a Rolodex and is a constant working puzzle I go back and play around with when I’m doing things that are mundane like washing dishes or taking shower or riding/driving. I’ve written full albums but no one has heard any of it because it’s just a game I play with myself to cope (I had a rough childhood) and don’t think anyone would be interested as I can’t really sing well IMO and just doodle around with a guitar.
For a while I’ve called the place the music comes from “the hollow” just to call it something.
Idk what this is, but recently learning how John Williams and other composers write (it is basically math to them, they don’t “hear” anything before they write it) I’ve started to realize how weird this is, kinda worried I have some sort of mental disorder... I’ve never talked to anyone about it.
Note: recently found that weed only enhances it, like instead of standing outside of a club hearing the band play (you can hear melody and make out some lyrics in a semi-clear muffled way) weed opens the front door and I can hear more of the same but more well-defined details.
Anyone else??
I want to collaborate cause I know I could be way better with more ears in the process, but how do you reconcile who gets credit and such? The fear of writing something great and having someone else take credit holds me back. What's the resolution?
The few pop artists that write most of their music but still write with professional song writers are Ed Sheeran, Bruno Mars, Taylor swift, Charli puth, Nick Jonas and shawn Mendes and Meghan trainor oh and Demi lavoto... Keep in mind I only listed the pop category so don't @ me saying I forgot an artist that isn't even pop. But yeah those artists don't really need songwriters but sometimes they write with them to kind of bounce ideas... Then u have the so called"artists" who only contribute about 25 to 35 percent to get some writing credit but without the song writers they wouldn't be able to write songs alone like the artists I listed above.. there's a definite divide in the pop world of pop stars who are just the voice and image vs pop stars who are also creators writers and composers
@Oscar Siddle fake fake credits.man...its not a 10 page song that u need 10 people to write it...it was written by a band ...but u change one line...and u get the credit
nobody knows the process of making these songs, I came here from interview with selena gomez on apple where she speaks about her new album, she mentioned that brought the lines from her own diary and asked to Justin Tranter to make songs for her and then he transformed it into hits... but under her video on youtube there is no mention about him,she paid for this so she is the owner... But the interview is the key, real songwriters know why used such words in certain phrase, what did he mean on that time. But "the owner/ searching the word to descible simple feelings like how do you feel.
Wow this whole process is amazing
Wow they have created such great songs.
No.
It's a shame anyone can use auto tune, and make them self sound good, but It's even easier when you don't even have to write the song.
Don't be so ignorant. Autotune can't fix a bad bad performance and make 'anyone a singer' at all. (trust me I've tried).
And anyway, most huge artists at least co write their songs. Especially right now.
So that means if your favorite artist has a very meaningful lyric, they probably didn't write it.
And if they have a cringy lyric, they also probably didn't write it as well.
Probably like this verse I'D RATHER BE YOUR VICTIM THAN TO BE WITH YOU. 🤘
Wait.. why don't they sing and get famous?
They are not interested
Why can’t I find a video about songwriters that isn’t about writing hits? Idgaf about a hit song I’m tryna make myself proud!
Wow..... Songwriting is a form of therapy and intimacy. We have to be honest with ourselves, so, it will effect others. Heart first then it will get the head.
Lol @ 9 to 5. It’s more like 11am to 2am. Other than that, obsessed with this.
She's so right there's a spiritual element there's a natural Mystic
Great information for songwriters
Regards,
songwriter ,
John Pucilla
Miss when the singers actually wrote the songs and composed their own songs , like imagine just Bieber cranking out all these songs on a piano and guitar like the Beatles .
listen to beabadoobee she wrote lots of her songs and plays the instruments
Isnt music supposed to be art, you know something to expres yourself? So how is having someone write your songs for you honest.
Simply amazing
Love The Shoes
These guys are fun - this is a dream job ;)
Very creative ❤ underrated ❤
Id never thought id say this , but it sounds pretty neat having people making songs for you.
Like , you write first like , 2 albums yerself, and then all these ppl pretty much know what your whole trip in life is about and they can crank up next 2 albums easily and better yet, you get to choose if you take them songs or leave them out , etc
I've read that brad Paisley will recruit song writers to go up to a retreat and seclude themselves away and take some ideas he's had or make an album of songs all stone time...
@@David-ig8of what does "all stone time" mean
@@wonka4 typo...at one time
sure its not bohemian rhapsody but honestly think for a moment if this was something so dumb and easy surely anyone can write a hit song
that is definitely not the case.
but to be real musical IQ of the people have progressively degraded so much ever since the dawn of grunge (circa nirvana early 90s)
Grunge was interesting, but nothing groundbreaking in my opinion. Cool tunes here and there, but mediocrity everywhere. 'Smells like Teen Spirit' isn't a great song, but has a great vibe. Lyrics are meaningless and chords are predictable, but I guess Kurt was a 'genius' because he made everyone think he was a musician.
Whew! Somebody who made sense.
@@ranelmarinduque794 Not really. If you're not part of the tribe you won't get to write for these artists. It's about nepotism.
David Harrison Have you listened to other grunge bands other than Nirvana.
Really interesting stuff. Much appreciated insights.
amazing
It’s a shame these talented beautiful people sell their art to these ‘faces’ to make millions. It’s almost exploiting the songwriters.
You are saying thay like they are forces by gun point like slaves. Its their decision to sell their songwriting talents, its a lucrative business, has been since the 19th century.
"We trade in the commodity of truth". Wow, These people are so proud of their terrible songs.
If the songs are so terrible, why were they hits?
TheBlashMusic Popularity doesn’t equal quality
The girl with the pink guitar is LAME AF! She dosent have anything to show for herself.
Make your own hit songs if you can, though.
@@TheBlashMusicTheBlashMusic because the majority of people don't know the intricacies of music and what a musician really is.
Inspirational, I wanna make such good music Like them one day
I will never understand why/how these kind of people write multi-million valued songs for one other person to put their name on it? That's like the Beatles writing their songs for another band. Why not just sing and perform the songs yourself?
Juan Gutierrez because some people aren't performers its a talent in itself
They are like the artists for a movie
2:30 That distorted snare hurt my ears
Yeah, sounds like a gun
I really didn't even learn anything from this don't waste my time CBS
Its music written by performers and it dont always work but its a good story
The musicians that write their own stuff is on the ''Pre-Grammy'' stage, across the street, in the morning. Bluegrass, Rock, ''Heavy Metal'', all those guys are the ones you don't see anymore.
most of these songs are contrived and won't stand up to the great classic songs . they will not stand the test of time like say 'the sound of silence' or 'knowing me knowing you'...mainly because they don't come from a place of true human emotion. its faked for a paycheck
I know someone that has written over 5000 songs in less then 2 years and some of them are on YT under josh Ewart and the guy who done his videos for him cayden cole
Im not really a fan, but good for them, they did it somehow.
they actually sing it better than the so called "artist". Didnt know a person that just jumps around stage while fireworks are going off singing someone elses work was considered an "artist"
1. The artists sometimes sings it better or has a more unique sound
2. The songwriter doesn’t want the limelight
3. The artist is also a performer
Art is art. Everyone comes together and makes it work. They’re all artists
@@HYPETIZE10 Completely agree. All these top artists have incredibly distinct voices and are great all round ARTISTS.
That na part sounds like Don't Bother Me by George Harrison
Oh Damn I Came here after listening to “While my Guitar Gently Weeps”
Please review my lyrics
Intro
Would you go on
would you go on
Chorus
If you uncovered you were
the one man alive in the world
the one man alive in the world
The end of the world
everybody's gone
and you are alone
alone in the world
.... what you'd do
...., tell me who you d be
..... tell me where you'd go to
Verse 2
Life has meaning when we're all together.
It is way worth living, when we love each other.
We all have weaknesses, but together we are stronger.
I know life aint perfect, but we can make it better
we can live it better,we can leave it better
No matter how hard your lives can sometimes be
There'll still be room for joy -- if we still can meet
Whatever the hardships you might be going through .
There'll surely be someone waiting to walk you through
Chorus
If you uncovered you were
the one man alive in the world
the one man alive in the world
The end of the world
everybody's gone
and you are alone
alone in the world
.... what you'd do
...., tell me who you d be
..... tell me where you'd go to
Verse 2
Family and friends, the greatest gift in life
love and value then, while they still alive
cause one minute they here, they next they disappear
now is the time, don't wait for next year
fear made you leave, you missed the end of the war
nostalgic , you come back, but it's the end of the world
you wanted to save your life, now you re the only alive
what your life will now be ,
if on earth your the only one to be
Chorus
If you uncovered you were
the one man alive in the world
the one man alive in the world
The end of the world
everybody's gone
and you are alone
alone in the world
.... what you'd do
...., tell me who you d be
..... tell me where you'd go to
Outro
If you uncovered you were
the one man alive in the world
the one man alive in the world
Would you go on
would you go on
So these are the people to blame for todays "Suck job" music we hear on the radio ?? Zeppelin rules !!!
old people back in the 70s said the same about Zeppelin though.... Every generation gets old and hates the new music.
Wish I could be a part of that
Sooo think of an annoying sound. Say it Over and over again until it get stuck in your head, add a drum beat...
wow, these people are so amazing
They don't share it because is easy. All you need Is dedication
I badly want to work with them
Didn't Sheeran write "love yourself"?
it's the avengers of songwriting, lmao
Is- is this clickbait?
making a hit song today equals making bad songs
Ummmm, no.
the guy who wrote the flo rida song looks like steve little from eastbound and down
This literally showed nothing ( *it didn’t help!* )
Real artists make original content themselves. At least most of the time.
I mean no. Sometimes the best artists are combination of an amazing performer and an amazing songwriter
Elvis didn't
This....
This is good stuff
Can you check out the group (4th Impact) they got the most views in the history of the X Factor, 180 million views, they are so talented 👏👌
I love to know about this
Very nice
their secret is that they are not the ones who do it
Who is then?
i feel sad for the songwriters, its because of them that the song gets famous but still noone knows bout them
I recomend everyone hear a song called El Triste by jose jose
All three of them sound and look like rock stars. Why dont they?
Honey, welcome to my box.
That .as song: they need to cut /release as a trio just the way it was!
So it's their fault?
Welp, *grabs gun, looks like we have a generation to save
No, you are the only reason you don't like it.
I used to feel the same way.
Spiritual element to "another shot of vodka"? Yeah okay..
But how is it anti-spiritual colin?
So much time has passed. But you are just the same. Perhaps only more beautiful. Perhaps a bit more mature. I had so much to tell you. But now that you're standing here. I'm lost for words. God how do I tell her that. I hope she understand . I hope she finally learns. You were my great love. I used to draw your portrait. You were beyond my grasp. You were beyond my grasp. You were the epitome of beauty. This is how I painted you and I hid you somewhere at the bottom of my heart . I'm still thinking about you...
For me a singer that depends of other people to write the song is not an artist
Carlos Rodrigues yes they are called performers
Someone trying to help me write a song for credit?
This is why pop music is the industry dominant: Because if the pop stars were left to write their own music, it would be a failure (undisciplined culture) leaving the industry exposed to natural selection (those who are more disciplined and passionate whom actually write good and involved material such as what metal artists do, yet rarely get the recognition for it because of the industry of pop hacks). If this wasn't a world of labels hiring boomers to do the hard work for the spoiled pop stars, many more people would be listening to quality song writing by those with more intelligence and integrity, and helping to raise the IQ of the general public.
Most artists at least co write their own songs. All the artists mentioned here have written a ton of their own stuff.
All you need is money ,a. malleable face ,
Quality vocal auto tune
three songwriters and
boom you are now a pop star!!
Don't forget to make it no more than three minutes long
And jam packed full
with sexual innuendos 👍
Sexual innuendos with the promotion of violence.
Im getting the chills
The McDonalds of songwriting.
Why don't the original writers play out as a band? Stop furthering advertising specialists!! Billionaires made it so your name doesn't show up in history 😔
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