@@Venneroth "Certainly, oh six legged prey, I have plenty of room on my web here, bring your friends and we shall all share in the sumptuous feast I am preparing, for the Greater Good."
I kind of like their role in they universe. The Galaxy at first belong to the the Necrons but they lost it due to their huberious. Then the dominant civilization of the Galaxy was the Eldar but now they are a dying civilization just a former of shadow of what they once were. Currently the Galaxy belongs to humanity. But I'd like to think that maybe the Tau are next in line.
@@TheDreamStarGames you kind of like the Tau's role in... what? the necrons lost the galaxy due to their... what? currently the galaxy belongs to... who? EDIT: Ok, it's been fixed. 😅
Now imagine, an entire 5th sphere expansion sized fleet filled with prototype ships, and humans spread throughout 60% of the ships. Let's just say that the tau only ships in that fleet didn't get the memo about trying to fight demons in the warp, and decided to try and save the ships of the fleet in warpspace by sending battlesuits into the maelstrom of the warp to assist the doomed ships with the humans aboard. All that is one of the main plot points regarding one of the new primaris era books. Tiss pretty good book.
One thing that a lot of amateur Sci-Fi struggles with is FTL speeds. Light speed is laughably slow, and completely non-viable for an interstellar civilization. 10 times lightspeed is barely viable for interstellar civilization. You are still taking months to go between close stars at that speed. You are going to need speeds approaching 1000 light years a day to maintain a coherent government and military across any significant chunk of a galaxy.
That's not exclusive of GDubs. As previously mentioned, many works of sci-fi have no idea of what cosmic scale means and how light is actually very slow in that scale. It's not a surprise that all too often you see a variant of Warp Drives or Hyperspace. Star Trek and Star Wars kind of cemented the cheesy way to solve that issue, so if it ain't broken...
@@MWBalls Even at 100x Lightspeed you are still taking two weeks to reach Alpha Centauri and 3,000 years to reach the other side of the Milky Way. You could probably run a small interstellar empire with that speed, but it would be like maintaining a colonial empire during the Age of Sail; it takes months to project your forces to where they need to go.
I’d love to see a video about the necron navy it’s barely talked about. I mean it was used to take over the galaxy in the war in heaven and used to fight the Ctan
Thing is, there isn't that much detail to them... and Necron ships are so comedically overpowered (individually) that every one would amount to 'easily takes on Imperial ships in enormous numbers.' One of the few times Fluff and Crunch line up near perfectly is Necron ships in Battlefleet Gothic. (The Tabletop, for gameplay reasons they are a LOT less powerful in the videogame adaptation. Where they remain the most expensive and individually powerful ships of the line in the game.) Also Necron ships really don't have much verity of weapons at all. Basically, while it might make a nice half an hour, there's not much to go over there. Not that I'd object to a video on the topic!
@@Sorain1 Necron ships also suffer from some lore-itis, where they sometimes seem like merely powerful ships that suffer from low numbers, and at other times they're so powerful that 3 of them can teleport into the SOL SYSTEM and tank hits from Battlefleet Solar and a porcupine of orbital defence batteries for long enough that one of them is still able to touch down on Mars before being destroyed.
Theory: Tau are a small empire. They lack the resources for the sheer amount of drone necessary to build drone fleets. Add to this a cultural belief that drones exist to support the tau. Not to replace them.
I suppose there is another possibility for the ZFR-1 engine: as a replacement for real-space maneuvering, not for FTL jumps. ...Except that raises other problems: that kind of speed in real-space implies the sort of UFO-style maneuverability you'd associate with Eldar or Necron ships, and that isn't what we see.
Maybe they skip into the warp and pop on their ZFR-1 engines and fly at near light speed in there. If they used them in real space than they would still be limited by the normal laws of physics, meaning that it wold take near infinite energy to accelerate to near light speed and they could fly into a small rock or space dust at relativistic speeds and tear their ship apart. This is my head cannon to explain it anyway.
This was a pretty bad video however. I would consider this my specialist topic(fleets in 40k). There are so many errors, however with gw mucking about with tau retcons every edition I can see why.
33:25 The Manta is actually a pretty useful alternative for Titan-grade war engines due to it's relatively more simple design (an aircraft instead of a mech) and given the way the Tau do things, losing one or two would be far less of a resource and personnel training investment loss than losing something like a Warlord titan. I actually wished that the Tau didn't go the way of progressively bigger robots like the Stormsurge and Ta'unar in what seemed like an attempt to copy the other major powers and instead just focused on what they were already good at, taking down titan-grade engines with coordinated strikes from heavy artillery and ordinance platforms like hovertanks and aerial platforms, each carrying a gun or missile rack as big as the ones on their titan-equivalents. It would've made the Tau more unique and be more consistent with their established history.
Any other race: *gets anything* Imperial fanboys: REEE WE DESTROY IT THE IMPERIUM IS THE STRONGESTEST AND MIGHTINESTESTESTEST WE WIN WE WIN WE WINN WAAAAA
@@Feuerhamster Unironically the least down bad IG/SM player in a nutshell. I get GW's business model revolves heavily around "Your Guys" but sometimes I like to think that it is a mistake with people like that.
@@rightsideup6304 Chaos space marine players when you tell them they're the bad guys and the Imperium are the good guys going on a thirty minute class per chaos god on why they are " true humanity " and the Imperium is the half-baked system of the Emperor before he could make them all into soulless automatons.
The Warden class reminds me of the game Escape Velocity Nova - where the Auroran empire warriors were using a ship exactly like that and it was called "Abomination" :D Very chunky ship with a massive payload and mean attitude :D
A fellow EV Nova player, from back in the day! I never really explored the Aurorans much when I was a kid tbh. I did just download a version again though, but I think ran into a main quest breaking bug after going out of my way to chart the whole map 😢
Thinking about why the Tau haven't upgraded their fliers lore wise most likely explanation would be they don't have the resources plan and simple. If the Imperium ordered 100 Retribution class battleships (just play along everything in the Imperium is a long lost STC) the only real issue is time, where as the Tau could probably make 5 without serious time delays the resources they would consume would be a serious issue for them. Well that's my take on it.
"because they value a planets population." "Inquisitor, Sir, what does this incomprehensible gibberish mean?" "Nothing you need to concern yourself about"
Orks: Hey Blue Boyz, shooting at you with big Daka was starting to get boring. So we decided to come see the look on your face as we throw our choppas into them.
I'm surprised the Tau got hold of a Lunar-class cruiser-,damaged or not to study. The mechanicus like to convert damaged or destroyed Lunar-class hulls into Battlecruisers if they can get the hulls back to a shipyard.
@@Rellana1 you have to keep in mind that the Lunar is the most produced cruiser by far. Drifting Hulks are going to be relatively common as these things go.
Well before IA3 the Taros Campaign, it was 3 tau capital ships, a few escorts, and then they had their auxiliaries being the Kroot, Demung, and Nicassah. The Korvesh fleet was needed for Battlefleet Gothic, and I am quite annoyed they didn't do the same for Tyranids and Necrons.
When it comes to railgun batteries and any other unguided weapons with finite projectile speed - there will always be the range at which they become completely ineffective so long as opponent can see you fire the guns. This range is established by comparing how long it will take the enemy to leave the target area(accounting for weapon spread) against how long it will take for the shot to get there, provided they can start to maneuver as soon as they see the "muzzle flash" (or EM pulse in railgun's case).
That only works if your target isn't aware they're in a fight. At all other times the target can just sprinkle in random manoeuvres while they're shooting back/approaching. If someone's pointing a gun at you there's no need to wait until they pull the trigger to duck
I know I'm a little late for this conversation but you're talking about a complete non issue. The speed of the projectile would be such that a vessel attempting to dodge would kill it's crew and tear itself apart by trying to change it's direction to fast due to the G forces involved. There will be ineffective ranges where you're unsure if you can track their positions but, given the ship is moving at a speed that's hard to track with a railgun it would also be impossible for them to change direction fast enough to dodge. Meanwhile going to slow accelerating up to a speed capable of dodging would have the same issue. Essentially the moment you're spotted within effective range with out enough shields or armor you're just straight up canonn fodder. [ Now if we start talking about staying out of the way of the cannons themselves such as abusing their turret rotation speed etc is still a very reasonable tactic but probably only plausible if really close and using a smaller ship.]
This raises the possibility for relativistic weaponry. The Tau are probably the one faction who would greatly benefit from having those around, considering their expansion zone is relatively small and their resources are very limited. You see, lightspeed is awfully slow in the context of galaxies, but within a solar system? Well, how about this? You have a star system under your control and you have to keep that guarded from enemy fleets, fleets whose that will enter the system to attack the worlds. So in preparation, you scatter lots of sensors around that will send a signal if enemy movement is detected. And when that happens, you point at them a large railgun capable of launching projectiles at 90% the speed of light. That weapon is mounted at a space station allowing a complete coverage of the star system. You may not be able to stop them, but you already start the fight vastly outranging the enemy and harassing them, quite possibly forcing them to take another route or scatter to avoid damage. The problem would be if someone decided to warp jump right next to your planet, but at that point the Tau would be boned anyway
@@sparking023, even inside solar systems speed of light may not be enough. For example, light from the Sun reaches Neptune only after 252,95 minutes or 4,21 hours - there is plenty of time to evade any shot, disregarding the impossibility of aiming such shot on impermanently moving target at this distance in the first place. This is why in Wh40k the main long range weapons in space are guided torpedoes and small attack spacecraft. And Tau torpedoes (missiles) are pretty good.
I don't know how it'd compare to other voidcrafts but technically there is the Tigershark which is supposed to be a "Titankiller". Maybe that'd be the void superiority fighter ?
37:06 Arch: "...a break from looking like a fish or something..." Me: "That sort of looks like a stingray." Also, the Barakuda. How do they know what an Earth/Terria...oh yeah, humans could have brought them over from earth millennia before the 41st millennium. BTW, Barakuda also the name of a military/ civilian chase boat/patrol boat, made here in Ireland by the company Safe Haven Marine. It looks cool on TH-cam, with an extending gun turret at the bow of the boat. It can be flipped over 180⁰ and self right itself with it's low centre of gravity and water tight hatches/doors.
Arch I was at work when I saw you dropped a new video and I literally said outloud "Oh, thank god" Love your stuff man, thanks for making my day a little bit better.
I'm feeling like the ZF-R is intended to be the operational engine, not the warp drive. It's probably designed to work best in the frictionless environment, immediately propelling you to near max speed, where in realspace it's a lot more sluggish and performs more like how we see them on the table/lore. Tau warp drive was just built to get you in there and use the shunt speed, with a real engine, you get somewhere near (~50%) imperial speed.
Nah, this is gw shitting the bed when specialist games shut down(and slightly before depending on the author 🙃). The lore of xenos fleets got pretty wonky when there was no oversight. Necrons not having ftl at all, Nids using gravetic corridors and no warp travel, Tau having slow and non relativistic ftl and no warp travel. All these have been retconned back to being sensible in the current edition. Kroot and Demiurg(Votann) having warp travel makes the (now erased) idea of Tau having an unrelated and terrible method of ftl rather silly.
I do enjoy stories of the tau looking up at the stars saying "one day, all this will be ours" only for the stars to look back upon them with the faces of old gods, horrible monsters, empires fighting for survival and random mushrooms looking for a good ol punch up like a mashup of lovecraft, norse mythology and a zoo full of starving animals. Poor blueberries, their foolish grasping became yet another struggle for survival in a very hostile galaxy, eff knows what they shought when chaos and dark eldar started paying some attention to them as well. If the imperials were coldly methodical (plus the occasional surrender and die peacefully foul alien message) the other 2 would be very much more personal about making sure you know they are out to mess with you specifically and in the most horrible ways possible.
I said it before. And I will say it again. The Imperial Navy is innumerable and can outnumber, outgun and outfight anny other factions navy on several segmenta, Several times over. Its stated in the Lore that crewing every single ship the Imperial Navy has in Mothball, reserve or under construction would demand the mobilization of humanity on a level even the Indomitus Crusade did not even do. If the Lord High Admirals ever got a free hand by Roboutte Guilliman to pull every Crusade Era ship and old battlecruiser out of mothball, refit them and crew them effectively. they could pick space clean.
I don't see why both the Ether Drive and the ZFR Horizon Accelerator Engine can't both exists. While the Ether Drive allows Tau to skim the warp it might not be an effective engine in real space. They warp doesn't flow equally in all places this indeed would be useful if your Ether Drive was damaged to have as a back up. A good argument for having this as a backup " if we ended up in the void between the stars ... we would all surely die in the fathomless dark, centuries from succour even at the best speed our vessel(battle-barge?) was capable of in the material realm." - Commissar Cain. The ZFR might even allow the Tau to circumvent SOME areas effected warp storms, Giving them a legalistically advantage over the those cases.
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This is one of the better videos in terms of art. Unlike the most videos by Arch, this one provides respective art as he talks about the specific ship.
Arch I love you man, love your content. It also helps me relax and ... idk if you'll appreciate me saying this .... you help me sleep listening to your knowledge... like a college lecture... puts me to sleep 😴 💤 😪 thanks!
The Tau should use void tech like void shields. It would be an interesting way to introduce Chaos as an enemy to the Tau. Imagine, over time strange occurances on ships and drydocks planetside. Strange entities and ghosts appearing and the Tau unable to figure out what or why. Unknown to them, the very technology they use for FTL travel and defense allows Chaos to slowly seep into real space. This could be because they don't use or even can't use gellar fields as they're not psychic. An interesting flaw for the Tau, for all their technological prowess, they can hardly begin to comprehend the warp and the horror's it holds as they now need to rely on forces beyond their control just to survive in such a dangerous galaxy.
I so want a 40k version of Empire At War, I know just the take on Tau ships. 1st Capital ship available is the Explorer class which acts like a dreadnought but is too expensive to make multiples of. The next would be the more economical Merchant class light Cruiser which would be more affordable but nearly worthless at combat. The Hero Class would be 1st ship of the line falling just short of the Lunar Class.
Does the Tau sleep in some “cryo-pod-thingies” or not eat/drink much at all? I mean, it’s very risky to send a giant fleet to just travel in space towards potentially a world that’s potentially an utter wasteland. Edit: I mean, sure, they send in some drones first or something… but if the travel takes too long so does the communication.
The tau do not cross interstellar distances by navigating the tides of the warp, for such esoteric matters are beyond them. Instead they use conventional science, exceptional technology and a great deal of patience. The vast majority of those tau that undertake the crossing are frozen in cryostasis, put into cold storage like slabs of meat or livestock cargo to while away the years as their ship seeks new horizons. Should they make it across safely, they are then effectively defrosted on the other side. With a natural lifespan of around four decades, eight or nine at the most, they consider this limbo preferable to a years-long stretch of relative inactivity -- Farsight, Crisis of Faith
@@TheDreamStarGames Yup. Thanks. So it is the cryo thingie and food storage. Very dangerous and always should have enough resources to at least be able to return immediately.
The Gal'Leath, or however you spell it, sounds like a ship from the Star Trek Federation. And we know how well they would fare in 40k. More advanced in some ways, but woefully inadequate for the scale and scope of 40k.
The tau space fighter, a proper heavier one, is the Tigershark ax 1-0. Built in response to the tau seeing titans. The Tigershark was not quite armed enough (being originally armed with ion canons and a bunch of drones), so they shoved the manta's heavy railguns into it. It's an homage to the real world a-10 warthog. The heavy railguns are quite effective, once past the shields, against escorts and devastating to smaller crafts (including titans). The Tigershark is much smaller and more maneuverable than the manta (which are actually dropships (basically a leopard class from battletech)).
An hour long video on the Tau Navy. Not my favorite part of the 40k lore, mostly because Tau think too highly of themselves and fail to comprehend just how massive the galaxy is, how small they will always be, and how much stronger literally every faction is compared to them. They live because everyone else has better things to do. But the Tau experimentation with Warp Travel, only to not understand what a Geller Field is, is absolutely hilarious. The Tau can count themselves lucky that they are not Warp sensitive like the vast majority of species in the galaxy.
As much as the tau are technologically advanced, they aren't anywhere close to even 40k imperium, nevermind the stuff astartes can still use. The thing is, people confuse technological advancement as if the GALAXY crusade never happened.
Not really, in order to do damage they'd need to be bigish missiles. These are so easily intercepted by starfuries and thunderhawks, the least flyable of all boxes can destroy scores of missiles, this type of weapons would also need ammo, and unlike the imperium the tau don't have both the structure or scale of ship for that when energy weapons that the tau are known for will do just as well.
You need missiles per say. A kinetic impact in space is horrifc for ships since they don't lose velocity. A tau ship just using rail guns with uranium or tungsten rods would outright destroy ships without their void shields.
Hersey at 28:38 it starts with Xeno gravity shields, next you'll have the guard marching into the biofurnaces! Expect a visit for your local Inquisitor!
I remember when the Tau had a type of warp drive before the Damocles Gulf crusade. They'd have to have on, else they would have been rolled over before the rest of them even knew the Imperium had invaded.
Not a bad idea but you would need the entire support structure to get there, ways to locate potential psykers, which ones of those are useful for navigation, training then properly for navigation and finding a suitable replacement for the Astronomican beacon.
Mostly because the tau don't believe in the warp. To them it is an undiscovered science at best. And primitive religeus nonesese at worst. Remember tau are extremely ignorant of the galaxy. They thought that slaanesh was the name of the chaos warband leader.
Tau don't have Gellar shields during warp travel so bringing psykers into literal he'll on your ship sounds really bad. The psychic aliens in the Tau empire travel space via hibernation while a skeleton crew uses their powers to guide their ships.
@@holo525 The Kroot and Nicassar have managed to figure out true warp travel, but the Tau haven't been able to replicate their technology because of its more psychic requirements.
Zfr horizon engine has currently been scrapped by gw. 13:00 It's actually worse than stated as it's 'non relativistic'. So time on board the ship stays at a constant requiring the crew to be put into suspended animation to survive the very long journeys.
You mean Kor’O’Vesh the Kor’Vatt’Ra is the logistical fleet made up predominantly of Gal’eth class and Kes’El class ships. The Kor’O’Vesh is the modern “manta ship” combat fleet. I was still playing BFG table top when the second fleet was introduced. Tau smart missiles are awesome.
This reminds me of my DMs solution for travel in Rogue Trader. Essentially he has various clusters of systems that we can just "jump" through to get from place to place without needing to make warp jumps and it's assorted rolls of pure fuckery. That said if we want to get anywhere fast especially for travel to a different cluster of systems... Then we need to use warp travel. Which inevitably leads to a cluster fuck of missed jumps and being lost or in one case, winding up back where we came from by sheer accident and bad rolls... After 3 sessions of trying to get where we where going.
Warp engines and gellar are STILL tech and understandable to the imperium, so tech wise tau are far more standardised, but then again they don't have thousands of worlds to feed and 50 different wars to fight, including internal strife.
@@tarektechmarine8209 You describing a very easy friday dont you? I mean, empire and only 50 wars at the same time..... OK a planetary wide conflict ist a war in imperial terminology, more like a litte neihgberhood argument.
They have fought the the Ultramarines and Scare lords space marines, and who knows they could have been fighting alpha legion this whole time... I mean it is alpha legion...
I may be remembering this wrong (need to check the old BFG tau supplement) but didn’t the ether drive used the sublight engines to boost into to warp before getting bounced back out? Perhaps that’s how the horizon drive it better? More boost into the warp for a bigger bounce? I’m guessing as I haven’t seen the text covering the horizon drive.
@@tarektechmarine8209 Mostly what us nerds think of when we hear the words. Empire: Star wars galatic empire. Imperium: 40k human theoacry with a lot of vassals.
Have you ever played Sword of the Stars? The psychic dolphin people, the Liir, had no actual engines on board their ships, they move their ships by using their psychic ability to do microteleportations.
The Damocles gulf crusade would not have been sufficient to wipe out the Tau Empire, it may have crippled the Tau and relegated them to an empire on the brink unable to project power like it can in the current day but it would not have destroyed them. The Tyranids saved Dal'yth and perhaps the Tau's long term survival, but in the immediate the Tau would have survived.
> Muh special blueberries , truth is tau is almost non existent in universe they only survived because of plot armor and GW need for super special good guys (tho with most recent books i see scales to change)
Why exactly do you think the damocles crusade would not have threatened the entire tau empire sans tyranids? At the time the tau had a few hundred planets and crusades routinely conquered or destroyed thousands of planets. The Sabbat world's crusade involved over a thousand planets for instance and that was a fairly minor crusade compared to the macharian crusade.
@@KT-pv3kl Sabbat world's crusade was massive compared to Damocles. Based on their performance at Dal'yth they would not have been able to take 7 more septs after that with what they brought. (personal pet peeve but 40k is terrible with it's numbers at almost every instance, cartoonishly small, both the tau and sabbat worlds should be in the 10s if not 100s of millions of planets and the Imperium at large should be close to 100 billion worlds, and if irl humanity were to build 1 dyson swarm we'd have the power and capacity to generate armies that would easily out match and out number the Imperium as it's currently presented, every faction is so goddamned underpowered it drives me crazy they don't even get it close to making sense even in universe , I'm just supposed to believe a force of 6 million guardsmen is a massive force able to take over hive worlds of 10s of billions.) I think my rant went off topic sorry.
@@thexenoist3493 as for your other points that's a "you" problem with your headcanon not 40k lore. There are hundreds of millions of planets in the Sabbat worlds. Most of them aren't habitable or undiscovered. You make the erroneous assumption that every planet is habitable or even remotely attractive left alone accessible to either the tau or the imperium. The same is true for the imperium at large. As for 6million soldiers taking over a hive that's actually fairly reasonable if low numbers given that at best a population can sustain a military of 1-2% of its population size. More manpower does not equal greater fighting ability in hives especially due to the confined spaces where logistics, strategy and well trained troops are far more decisive than the number of bodies you throw at the enemy. You are correct that some authors are crap with scaling but your examples aren't supporting your case as much as you think.
The void barracuda problem is definitely gw just being lazy same as the shielding a lot of things about the tau reek of a half fleshed out idea as if they weren’t sure if it was a good idea to add the faction and only had half the staff on board to do it
This honestly makes sense, think the US military, they LOVE multi-role aircraft and that said the structure to mass produce these are already in place, they do decent enough with their co-ordination, though I have to ask how good are they against eldar like aircraft.
I'm not going to pretend to know very much about 40K I just enjoy listening to the lore videos, so my assumptions might be wildly wrong. However I'd love to know what the Tau ethereal caste would think to learn that the Imperium had lost in the last 10K years more advanced technology than they can even imagine creating, and that they would still utterly dominate them if they happened to view the Tau as a serious threat. Or what they'd think about the Silent King and the Necron reawakening.
I am not sure they know about the Silent king. The Necron eeeh…on che the Tau woke up a tomb world by being too loud in battle (against orks I think, or the tyranyds maybe) Necron woke up and slaughtered the Tau’s enemies and when the Tau ethereal went to the Necron saying “thank you noble allies we” the Necron shot at him and any Tau on the planet. Then they went to sleep again.
They would double there efforts to advance there technology. Tau know they arent as powerful as they hoped but are ignorant of the nature of the warp. Once they find that out however. I suspect a great deal of effort will be made to reverse engineer necron tech. After all. Tau stick is learning technology really fast.
Ethereals seem to operate in the same dogmatic thinking as many priests of earth's past or the ecclesiarchy. They refuse to accept any information that challenges their world view or use false assumptions to make it fit their dogma.
@@Zlyxon If we are going by how miserable the people of the respective empire feel as a standard for good, then the Tau are on the bottom end with the Humans. The higher end has a competition between the Tyranids with endless satisfaction through service to the Hive, the fungus orcs with their boisterous enjoyment of a neverending brawl, and the Slanneshi cults' perfection of pleasure.
@@tarektechmarine8209 Being conquers that intergrate xenno's as second class citizens is vastly superior to genocide empires. Imagine it like this: You are a slaver who threats his slaves extreemly well. Everyone else is a mass murderer. You will look like a saint in comparision. You arent good. Just better then the alternative.
Arch a Manta is worth entire Imperial fighter squadrons and can cripple or outright kill escorts alone. They already have the single best fighter craft out there.
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle how does another plot armor make the far worse and excessive plot armor on an entire Species okay? :* The T'au are a fringe Empire, on a level with the empires that get eradicated in 30k within a page or a paragraph. Only plot armor keeps them from that destiny ^_^
@@18947ful I don't see the Tau reviving from the dead, or breaking into the Tyranid hive mind, or never losing a battle. You must forgive me for not understanding how a small empire having enough firepower to make an invasion cost more than it would reward is "far worse" than the aforementioned incidents combined.
@@Romuls753 C'tan shards, time traveling staff, death stars, pocket dimensions, tassaracs, etc. The necrons dont consider the imperium a threat. Or there woudnt be an imperium anymore. To break you imperial mind futher. Eldar have hand size exterminatus devices. And access to tara. The imperium is one easy to destroy planet away from being destroyed.
I like how so many aspects of the Tau reflect their position among the 40k factions. They're naive, inexperienced and awfully optimistic about everything, from strategies to design philosophies. In any other setting, they would be a force to be reckoned, but in this universe of shert absurdity, they're just not prepared for what the galaxy at large reserves. And they're yet to bathe in the grimdankness of the future with a major civilization downfall of their own
Knowledgable old ones in the comment section, I beseech thee once more. Roughly a month ago I asked for some book recommendations and thanks to you all I had a bit of good time. I haven't been able to buy/find all the stories you recommended, but especially the first Chiaphas Cane omnibus was fun. I was also recommend to read some of the old codexes of topics I liked. But that is where my question lies, from what I know, I am mostly interested in Death Korps of Krieg, Sisters of Battle, Trayzen, Dark Angels, Custodes, Daemons, Chaos Space Marines (Nurgle and the Death Guard mostly). Are the new codexes okay to buy for any fun stories or lore about these topics? Are they good and worth it? Basically some advice about the latest codexes about these topics would be greatly appriciated.
The mosquito soars majestically into the spiders web. Somehow manages to fly right between the strands of silk and never noticed the annoyed spider.
Yes, this.
As dumb a reason it is this is why I love the tau
"Hello, oh, eight-legged organism! Would you like to join my Greater Good?" asks the fly.
@@Venneroth "Certainly, oh six legged prey, I have plenty of room on my web here, bring your friends and we shall all share in the sumptuous feast I am preparing, for the Greater Good."
The Tau are like playing Stellaris as a new species, but with 2 fallen empires and 4 end game crisis going on at the same time.
And they’re all busy with everything else.
I kind of like their role in they universe. The Galaxy at first belong to the the Necrons but they lost it due to their huberious. Then the dominant civilization of the Galaxy was the Eldar but now they are a dying civilization just a former of shadow of what they once were. Currently the Galaxy belongs to humanity. But I'd like to think that maybe the Tau are next in line.
@@TheDreamStarGames is this the result of a stroke + ESL at once?
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@@TheDreamStarGames you kind of like the Tau's role in... what?
the necrons lost the galaxy due to their... what?
currently the galaxy belongs to... who?
EDIT: Ok, it's been fixed. 😅
The thought of a Tau prototype ship jumping blindly into the warp without a navigator or Geller Field fills me with more than I thought it would.
Now imagine, an entire 5th sphere expansion sized fleet filled with prototype ships, and humans spread throughout 60% of the ships.
Let's just say that the tau only ships in that fleet didn't get the memo about trying to fight demons in the warp, and decided to try and save the ships of the fleet in warpspace by sending battlesuits into the maelstrom of the warp to assist the doomed ships with the humans aboard.
All that is one of the main plot points regarding one of the new primaris era books.
Tiss pretty good book.
More what? I NEED TO KNOW
That's basically the Tau version of Event Horizon movie.
More joy? I totally agree.
@@Yokou32i feel schadenfreude at the idea of tau getting a taste of what the adult species have to deal with regularly.
a 1 hour long lore video from arch, the emperor is with us
Its been a while since we had 1 hour.
It's truly amazing how little GW grasps basic physics along with the technical terms they toss around because they sound cool to them.
One thing that a lot of amateur Sci-Fi struggles with is FTL speeds. Light speed is laughably slow, and completely non-viable for an interstellar civilization. 10 times lightspeed is barely viable for interstellar civilization. You are still taking months to go between close stars at that speed. You are going to need speeds approaching 1000 light years a day to maintain a coherent government and military across any significant chunk of a galaxy.
That's not exclusive of GDubs. As previously mentioned, many works of sci-fi have no idea of what cosmic scale means and how light is actually very slow in that scale. It's not a surprise that all too often you see a variant of Warp Drives or Hyperspace. Star Trek and Star Wars kind of cemented the cheesy way to solve that issue, so if it ain't broken...
@@MWBalls Even at 100x Lightspeed you are still taking two weeks to reach Alpha Centauri and 3,000 years to reach the other side of the Milky Way. You could probably run a small interstellar empire with that speed, but it would be like maintaining a colonial empire during the Age of Sail; it takes months to project your forces to where they need to go.
I’d love to see a video about the necron navy it’s barely talked about. I mean it was used to take over the galaxy in the war in heaven and used to fight the Ctan
Afaik the necron ships are actually the most dangerous aspect of necrons.
@@ulquiorracifer2243 oh my summer child, no, not at Ll
@@ulquiorracifer2243 I think the map that can wipe out galaxies is the most powerful
Thing is, there isn't that much detail to them... and Necron ships are so comedically overpowered (individually) that every one would amount to 'easily takes on Imperial ships in enormous numbers.' One of the few times Fluff and Crunch line up near perfectly is Necron ships in Battlefleet Gothic. (The Tabletop, for gameplay reasons they are a LOT less powerful in the videogame adaptation. Where they remain the most expensive and individually powerful ships of the line in the game.) Also Necron ships really don't have much verity of weapons at all. Basically, while it might make a nice half an hour, there's not much to go over there. Not that I'd object to a video on the topic!
@@Sorain1 Necron ships also suffer from some lore-itis, where they sometimes seem like merely powerful ships that suffer from low numbers, and at other times they're so powerful that 3 of them can teleport into the SOL SYSTEM and tank hits from Battlefleet Solar and a porcupine of orbital defence batteries for long enough that one of them is still able to touch down on Mars before being destroyed.
Assault Boats must be straight nightmare fuel for Tau admirals
That’s what the screening guns are for
Not as much as Space Marine Terminators.
@@charlottewalnut3118 and if the space marines teleport inside the bridge?
@@stefanoputignano1555 uh shields and electronic counter measures? And again, they have to get close enough.
@@pjmetzen3483 assuming they understand how the warp works, and how to keep it out
Astounding that the Tau haven't gone the route of droid starfighters and the like due to their extreme lack of manpower.
Or Droid Gun ships. But the drones are pretty much the missiles.
Theory: Tau are a small empire.
They lack the resources for the sheer amount of drone necessary to build drone fleets.
Add to this a cultural belief that drones exist to support the tau.
Not to replace them.
The tau absolutely do use drone fighters. In BFG their torpedo bombers are drones.
Oh yeah. FULLY automated AI run combat ships. THAT will work out JUST FINE.
I suppose there is another possibility for the ZFR-1 engine: as a replacement for real-space maneuvering, not for FTL jumps. ...Except that raises other problems: that kind of speed in real-space implies the sort of UFO-style maneuverability you'd associate with Eldar or Necron ships, and that isn't what we see.
Maybe they skip into the warp and pop on their ZFR-1 engines and fly at near light speed in there. If they used them in real space than they would still be limited by the normal laws of physics, meaning that it wold take near infinite energy to accelerate to near light speed and they could fly into a small rock or space dust at relativistic speeds and tear their ship apart. This is my head cannon to explain it anyway.
The Lore Master speaks !!!
He blesses us with more information from his treasured archives.
This was a pretty bad video however. I would consider this my specialist topic(fleets in 40k). There are so many errors, however with gw mucking about with tau retcons every edition I can see why.
33:25 The Manta is actually a pretty useful alternative for Titan-grade war engines due to it's relatively more simple design (an aircraft instead of a mech) and given the way the Tau do things, losing one or two would be far less of a resource and personnel training investment loss than losing something like a Warlord titan. I actually wished that the Tau didn't go the way of progressively bigger robots like the Stormsurge and Ta'unar in what seemed like an attempt to copy the other major powers and instead just focused on what they were already good at, taking down titan-grade engines with coordinated strikes from heavy artillery and ordinance platforms like hovertanks and aerial platforms, each carrying a gun or missile rack as big as the ones on their titan-equivalents. It would've made the Tau more unique and be more consistent with their established history.
T: “Behold! Our Custodian-class Battleship!”
I: “That’s not canon.”
T: “But… it’s right there!”
_~One cyclonic torpedo barrage later~_
I: “You were saying?”
That would require GW to you know think logically. Which would destroy 40k.
Kaboom!
Any other race: *gets anything*
Imperial fanboys: REEE WE DESTROY IT THE IMPERIUM IS THE STRONGESTEST AND MIGHTINESTESTESTEST WE WIN WE WIN WE WINN WAAAAA
@@Feuerhamster Unironically the least down bad IG/SM player in a nutshell. I get GW's business model revolves heavily around "Your Guys" but sometimes I like to think that it is a mistake with people like that.
@@rightsideup6304 Chaos space marine players when you tell them they're the bad guys and the Imperium are the good guys going on a thirty minute class per chaos god on why they are " true humanity " and the Imperium is the half-baked system of the Emperor before he could make them all into soulless automatons.
The Tau fleet sounds like a cow waiting to be violated (er i mean milked by) a Haemonculus following capture...
Their run in with dark eldar is too funny, can’t wait for their warp god to really start messing with them
True but tau are not very connected to the warp so the deldar would only torture the as a hobby not for nourishment.
The Warden class reminds me of the game Escape Velocity Nova - where the Auroran empire warriors were using a ship exactly like that and it was called "Abomination" :D Very chunky ship with a massive payload and mean attitude :D
A fellow EV Nova player, from back in the day! I never really explored the Aurorans much when I was a kid tbh. I did just download a version again though, but I think ran into a main quest breaking bug after going out of my way to chart the whole map 😢
great game. sad there is no support for it anymore.
@@griffgoldstein6378 There is a subreddit, and a place to download ‘modern’ versions
Oh a 1 hour lore video.. Absolutely Glorious!
Thinking about why the Tau haven't upgraded their fliers lore wise most likely explanation would be they don't have the resources plan and simple.
If the Imperium ordered 100 Retribution class battleships (just play along everything in the Imperium is a long lost STC) the only real issue is time, where as the Tau could probably make 5 without serious time delays the resources they would consume would be a serious issue for them. Well that's my take on it.
I agree.
One of the imperium's biggest strengths is its massive industry.
Tau simply cannot outproduce anyone else in 40k.
"because they value a planets population."
"Inquisitor, Sir, what does this incomprehensible gibberish mean?"
"Nothing you need to concern yourself about"
I fucking love your hour long videos takes me back to the Elder days, lore on good Sir.
Tau strategy: avoid melee
But that wouldn't have made for a very long video
Wow. Look at Arch go. The rarest of finds. A female 40k fan. You are one of the few and the proud lady.
@@-SRM- lol, Arch finally went spear fishing you see.
@@-SRM- probably a jannie
@@tarektechmarine8209 *harpoon you mean?
Orks: Hey Blue Boyz, shooting at you with big Daka was starting to get boring. So we decided to come see the look on your face as we throw our choppas into them.
A similar overview of the imperial ships would be nice. It would probably be a few parts though.
Ram the smaller ones, Broadside the bigger ones. there Imperial Space tactics.
I'm surprised the Tau got hold of a Lunar-class cruiser-,damaged or not to study. The mechanicus like to convert damaged or destroyed Lunar-class hulls into Battlecruisers if they can get the hulls back to a shipyard.
@@Rellana1 you have to keep in mind that the Lunar is the most produced cruiser by far. Drifting Hulks are going to be relatively common as these things go.
@@Raygun9000 Still I couldn't imagine the mechanicus wasting resources. If they could get them back to a shipyard I'm imagine they'd do so.
@@Rellana1 definitely, any cruiser is a massive investment, if you can salvage one let alone repair one it'll be manna from heaven.
Arch could make a twelve hour long video about the logistics of wax production and I would still watch it all.
I'v made a few new ships for the Tau factions for Battle Fleet Gothic Armada 2. Now I need to fight them again. Deep dives in 40K ship lore is nice.
Well before IA3 the Taros Campaign, it was 3 tau capital ships, a few escorts, and then they had their auxiliaries being the Kroot, Demung, and Nicassah. The Korvesh fleet was needed for Battlefleet Gothic, and I am quite annoyed they didn't do the same for Tyranids and Necrons.
T'au logic is basically "Eh, try it. See what happens."
When "fuck around and find out" is scientific doctrine...
That's probably us, if we ever get of this planet.
@@shawnm1902 litteraly the plot of thier recent book
All hail Remembrancer Arch for documenting the Imperiums glorious history of victory's over all those who would stand against it!!
I remembered I read somewhere that imperial ships have gravity technology, but they use it more to keep the ship together in case of severe damage
They primarily use it to have actual gravity on board of the ship...
When it comes to railgun batteries and any other unguided weapons with finite projectile speed - there will always be the range at which they become completely ineffective so long as opponent can see you fire the guns. This range is established by comparing how long it will take the enemy to leave the target area(accounting for weapon spread) against how long it will take for the shot to get there, provided they can start to maneuver as soon as they see the "muzzle flash" (or EM pulse in railgun's case).
That only works if your target isn't aware they're in a fight. At all other times the target can just sprinkle in random manoeuvres while they're shooting back/approaching.
If someone's pointing a gun at you there's no need to wait until they pull the trigger to duck
@@Echo_Online, it is really hard in space to not know that you are currently in battle. So hard in fact that is simpler to know.
I know I'm a little late for this conversation but you're talking about a complete non issue.
The speed of the projectile would be such that a vessel attempting to dodge would kill it's crew and tear itself apart by trying to change it's direction to fast due to the G forces involved.
There will be ineffective ranges where you're unsure if you can track their positions but, given the ship is moving at a speed that's hard to track with a railgun it would also be impossible for them to change direction fast enough to dodge.
Meanwhile going to slow accelerating up to a speed capable of dodging would have the same issue.
Essentially the moment you're spotted within effective range with out enough shields or armor you're just straight up canonn fodder. [ Now if we start talking about staying out of the way of the cannons themselves such as abusing their turret rotation speed etc is still a very reasonable tactic but probably only plausible if really close and using a smaller ship.]
This raises the possibility for relativistic weaponry. The Tau are probably the one faction who would greatly benefit from having those around, considering their expansion zone is relatively small and their resources are very limited.
You see, lightspeed is awfully slow in the context of galaxies, but within a solar system? Well, how about this? You have a star system under your control and you have to keep that guarded from enemy fleets, fleets whose that will enter the system to attack the worlds. So in preparation, you scatter lots of sensors around that will send a signal if enemy movement is detected. And when that happens, you point at them a large railgun capable of launching projectiles at 90% the speed of light. That weapon is mounted at a space station allowing a complete coverage of the star system.
You may not be able to stop them, but you already start the fight vastly outranging the enemy and harassing them, quite possibly forcing them to take another route or scatter to avoid damage.
The problem would be if someone decided to warp jump right next to your planet, but at that point the Tau would be boned anyway
@@sparking023, even inside solar systems speed of light may not be enough. For example, light from the Sun reaches Neptune only after 252,95 minutes or 4,21 hours - there is plenty of time to evade any shot, disregarding the impossibility of aiming such shot on impermanently moving target at this distance in the first place.
This is why in Wh40k the main long range weapons in space are guided torpedoes and small attack spacecraft. And Tau torpedoes (missiles) are pretty good.
14:45 yeah true kinda why I always get annoyed when people forget star wars speeds compared to the slow as 40k
Well, I didn't expect this, but it is welcome.
I see Tau, I click! For the Greater Good!!!!
"For the greater good"...well I do like frozen blueberries. Tastes great on the Korne flakes
I don't know how it'd compare to other voidcrafts but technically there is the Tigershark which is supposed to be a "Titankiller". Maybe that'd be the void superiority fighter ?
Honestly, the tiger shark just looks like the fire raptor equivalent for tau. Though the fire raptor looks more maneuverable.
Well that was a Tigershark variation, which was supposed to be a Drone control platform.
Tigershark AX 1-0 is armed with two heavy railguns instead of drones. It slaps.
Brrrt
It's not canon but I'd prefer to think of tau 'fighter squadrons' as a mixture of barracudas and tiger shark variants.
I enjoy the tau video. Unfortunately most people don’t do deep dives into the tau. So as a big tau fan I beg of ya please do more tau
Damn space commie!
This.
Pretty sure he'd said in a past tau video that he'd need to make a video on the enclaves at some point
Hell no
@@Schinak *HURK* adaptus genericus fan detected opinion disregarded.
also most people seem to hate the tau.
37:06
Arch:
"...a break from looking like a fish or something..."
Me:
"That sort of looks like a stingray."
Also, the Barakuda. How do they know what an Earth/Terria...oh yeah, humans could have brought them over from earth millennia before the 41st millennium.
BTW, Barakuda also the name of a military/ civilian chase boat/patrol boat, made here in Ireland by the company Safe Haven Marine. It looks cool on TH-cam, with an extending gun turret at the bow of the boat. It can be flipped over 180⁰ and self right itself with it's low centre of gravity and water tight hatches/doors.
We gave them that name, that's how things are named according to what we(Imperial humans) see.
@@tarektechmarine8209 ah. OK. Thank you.
Arch I was at work when I saw you dropped a new video and I literally said outloud "Oh, thank god" Love your stuff man, thanks for making my day a little bit better.
I'm feeling like the ZF-R is intended to be the operational engine, not the warp drive. It's probably designed to work best in the frictionless environment, immediately propelling you to near max speed, where in realspace it's a lot more sluggish and performs more like how we see them on the table/lore.
Tau warp drive was just built to get you in there and use the shunt speed, with a real engine, you get somewhere near (~50%) imperial speed.
Nah, this is gw shitting the bed when specialist games shut down(and slightly before depending on the author 🙃). The lore of xenos fleets got pretty wonky when there was no oversight. Necrons not having ftl at all, Nids using gravetic corridors and no warp travel, Tau having slow and non relativistic ftl and no warp travel.
All these have been retconned back to being sensible in the current edition.
Kroot and Demiurg(Votann) having warp travel makes the (now erased) idea of Tau having an unrelated and terrible method of ftl rather silly.
I do enjoy stories of the tau looking up at the stars saying "one day, all this will be ours" only for the stars to look back upon them with the faces of old gods, horrible monsters, empires fighting for survival and random mushrooms looking for a good ol punch up like a mashup of lovecraft, norse mythology and a zoo full of starving animals.
Poor blueberries, their foolish grasping became yet another struggle for survival in a very hostile galaxy, eff knows what they shought when chaos and dark eldar started paying some attention to them as well. If the imperials were coldly methodical (plus the occasional surrender and die peacefully foul alien message) the other 2 would be very much more personal about making sure you know they are out to mess with you specifically and in the most horrible ways possible.
I said it before. And I will say it again.
The Imperial Navy is innumerable and can outnumber, outgun and outfight anny other factions navy on several segmenta, Several times over.
Its stated in the Lore that crewing every single ship the Imperial Navy has in Mothball, reserve or under construction would demand the mobilization of humanity on a level even the Indomitus Crusade did not even do.
If the Lord High Admirals ever got a free hand by Roboutte Guilliman to pull every Crusade Era ship and old battlecruiser out of mothball, refit them and crew them effectively. they could pick space clean.
Praise be to the ALGORITHM!!!
I don't see why both the Ether Drive and the ZFR Horizon Accelerator Engine can't both exists. While the Ether Drive allows Tau to skim the warp it might not be an effective engine in real space. They warp doesn't flow equally in all places this indeed would be useful if your Ether Drive was damaged to have as a back up.
A good argument for having this as a backup " if we ended up in the
void between the stars ... we would all surely die in the fathomless dark, centuries from succour even at the
best speed our vessel(battle-barge?) was capable of in the material realm." - Commissar Cain. The ZFR might even allow the Tau to circumvent SOME areas effected warp storms, Giving them a legalistically advantage over the those cases.
More lore videos. At LAST. Wish we'd get more of these
See the fires burning clearly fortune favors great commmander greatfull hails break the silence glory kor glory kor strike we shall fallow mighty kor mighty kor
XD I could listen to Arch talk about scifi vehicles and tech all day long.
Another addition to my 40k tactics playlist.
Great video as usual Arch. Well done man.
This is one of the better videos in terms of art. Unlike the most videos by Arch, this one provides respective art as he talks about the specific ship.
Arch I love you man, love your content. It also helps me relax and ... idk if you'll appreciate me saying this .... you help me sleep listening to your knowledge... like a college lecture... puts me to sleep 😴 💤 😪 thanks!
Awesome video sir. Thank you! :)
The Tau should use void tech like void shields. It would be an interesting way to introduce Chaos as an enemy to the Tau. Imagine, over time strange occurances on ships and drydocks planetside. Strange entities and ghosts appearing and the Tau unable to figure out what or why.
Unknown to them, the very technology they use for FTL travel and defense allows Chaos to slowly seep into real space. This could be because they don't use or even can't use gellar fields as they're not psychic. An interesting flaw for the Tau, for all their technological prowess, they can hardly begin to comprehend the warp and the horror's it holds as they now need to rely on forces beyond their control just to survive in such a dangerous galaxy.
**Fleet Tactics**
YES!
**Tau**
In the inmortal words of Shield-Captain Kitten: "Fuck the Tau"
Literally in his case.
Tau are interesting. What's wrong with you? Show me on the doll where the big bad blue alien inappropriately touched you
@@FrostbiteDigital the fact that you instantly went for sexual abuse makes me wonder if you're projecting
Spinning the ship at light speed, mid journey to the next star is the best Tau joke I've ever heard of. 🤣
I so want a 40k version of Empire At War, I know just the take on Tau ships. 1st Capital ship available is the Explorer class which acts like a dreadnought but is too expensive to make multiples of. The next would be the more economical Merchant class light Cruiser which would be more affordable but nearly worthless at combat. The Hero Class would be 1st ship of the line falling just short of the Lunar Class.
thanks for the vid Arch
Does the Tau sleep in some “cryo-pod-thingies” or not eat/drink much at all? I mean, it’s very risky to send a giant fleet to just travel in space towards potentially a world that’s potentially an utter wasteland.
Edit:
I mean, sure, they send in some drones first or something… but if the travel takes too long so does the communication.
The tau do not cross interstellar distances by navigating the tides of the warp,
for such esoteric matters are beyond them. Instead they use conventional
science, exceptional technology and a great deal of patience. The vast majority
of those tau that undertake the crossing are frozen in cryostasis, put into cold
storage like slabs of meat or livestock cargo to while away the years as their ship
seeks new horizons. Should they make it across safely, they are then effectively
defrosted on the other side. With a natural lifespan of around four decades, eight
or nine at the most, they consider this limbo preferable to a years-long stretch of
relative inactivity -- Farsight, Crisis of Faith
@@TheDreamStarGames Yup. Thanks. So it is the cryo thingie and food storage. Very dangerous and always should have enough resources to at least be able to return immediately.
Love this style of video.
The Gal'Leath, or however you spell it, sounds like a ship from the Star Trek Federation. And we know how well they would fare in 40k. More advanced in some ways, but woefully inadequate for the scale and scope of 40k.
It's blueberry time again.
Get me the flamer.
The _HEAVY_ flamer...😑
@@sadwingsraging3044 Naturally.
Mmm roasted blueberries
And how do you intent to get in flamer range?
@@malaficus bait...
Put a bit of lipstick with maybe a blue wig and some pearls on a drone.💋
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Ah, a lore video about the tatics and strategy about the Space Communists...
The tau space fighter, a proper heavier one, is the Tigershark ax 1-0. Built in response to the tau seeing titans. The Tigershark was not quite armed enough (being originally armed with ion canons and a bunch of drones), so they shoved the manta's heavy railguns into it. It's an homage to the real world a-10 warthog.
The heavy railguns are quite effective, once past the shields, against escorts and devastating to smaller crafts (including titans). The Tigershark is much smaller and more maneuverable than the manta (which are actually dropships (basically a leopard class from battletech)).
I like these series!
I liked better when it was 1/10 of imperial speed at first and 1/6 during agrellan camping
An hour long video on the Tau Navy. Not my favorite part of the 40k lore, mostly because Tau think too highly of themselves and fail to comprehend just how massive the galaxy is, how small they will always be, and how much stronger literally every faction is compared to them. They live because everyone else has better things to do. But the Tau experimentation with Warp Travel, only to not understand what a Geller Field is, is absolutely hilarious. The Tau can count themselves lucky that they are not Warp sensitive like the vast majority of species in the galaxy.
As much as the tau are technologically advanced, they aren't anywhere close to even 40k imperium, nevermind the stuff astartes can still use. The thing is, people confuse technological advancement as if the GALAXY crusade never happened.
Missils, a lot of missils from annoying long range if you are a enemy.
Not really, in order to do damage they'd need to be bigish missiles. These are so easily intercepted by starfuries and thunderhawks, the least flyable of all boxes can destroy scores of missiles, this type of weapons would also need ammo, and unlike the imperium the tau don't have both the structure or scale of ship for that when energy weapons that the tau are known for will do just as well.
You need missiles per say. A kinetic impact in space is horrifc for ships since they don't lose velocity. A tau ship just using rail guns with uranium or tungsten rods would outright destroy ships without their void shields.
Hersey at 28:38 it starts with Xeno gravity shields, next you'll have the guard marching into the biofurnaces! Expect a visit for your local Inquisitor!
I’m a grown ass man “Ohhh Tau what a nice little treat!” Now I gotta do some push ups and cook with fire and shit to guy some of my Man credit back .
You are making me think your pinky was extended while sipping your drink and enjoying the video.
@@shawnm1902 lol I am drinking tea
I remember when the Tau had a type of warp drive before the Damocles Gulf crusade.
They'd have to have on, else they would have been rolled over before the rest of them even knew the Imperium had invaded.
Heart of oak are our ships! :D
Love your vids dude, helps me paint my knights
Why don't the Tau just start using human navigators or their allied psychic species to jump faster through the Warp?
Not a bad idea but you would need the entire support structure to get there, ways to locate potential psykers, which ones of those are useful for navigation, training then properly for navigation and finding a suitable replacement for the Astronomican beacon.
Mostly because the tau don't believe in the warp.
To them it is an undiscovered science at best.
And primitive religeus nonesese at worst.
Remember tau are extremely ignorant of the galaxy.
They thought that slaanesh was the name of the chaos warband leader.
Tau don't have Gellar shields during warp travel so bringing psykers into literal he'll on your ship sounds really bad. The psychic aliens in the Tau empire travel space via hibernation while a skeleton crew uses their powers to guide their ships.
@@holo525 The Kroot and Nicassar have managed to figure out true warp travel, but the Tau haven't been able to replicate their technology because of its more psychic requirements.
I am not sure replicating the imperium would work without an equivalent Astronomica light
a tau video, this is truly a great day for the greater good
Zfr horizon engine has currently been scrapped by gw. 13:00
It's actually worse than stated as it's 'non relativistic'. So time on board the ship stays at a constant requiring the crew to be put into suspended animation to survive the very long journeys.
You mean Kor’O’Vesh the Kor’Vatt’Ra is the logistical fleet made up predominantly of Gal’eth class and Kes’El class ships. The Kor’O’Vesh is the modern “manta ship” combat fleet. I was still playing BFG table top when the second fleet was introduced. Tau smart missiles are awesome.
This reminds me of my DMs solution for travel in Rogue Trader. Essentially he has various clusters of systems that we can just "jump" through to get from place to place without needing to make warp jumps and it's assorted rolls of pure fuckery. That said if we want to get anywhere fast especially for travel to a different cluster of systems... Then we need to use warp travel. Which inevitably leads to a cluster fuck of missed jumps and being lost or in one case, winding up back where we came from by sheer accident and bad rolls... After 3 sessions of trying to get where we where going.
This makes me really want a gulf crusade video.
Blueberry lore definitely requires more space magic to work than the Imperiums plot armor.
In the case of the Gal'Leath, that was showing it's age against even the Orks and their Kill Kroozers and what not.
They are pretty these Tau ships it would be such a spectacle to see an Imperial cruiser ram a "Custody" battleship :)
Vattra means FIRE in my language , every now and then i find few words like that
Btw I love your channel and enjoy your videos
The Tau reverse engineering Imperial tech realized that any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology.
Warp engines and gellar are STILL tech and understandable to the imperium, so tech wise tau are far more standardised, but then again they don't have thousands of worlds to feed and 50 different wars to fight, including internal strife.
@@tarektechmarine8209 You describing a very easy friday dont you? I mean, empire and only 50 wars at the same time.....
OK a planetary wide conflict ist a war in imperial terminology, more like a litte neihgberhood argument.
I like to belive this magic is just sience not understood yet or forgotten but then i renember wh 40k have magic gods :D
I want a novel about the Tau fighting the iron warriors or alpha legion. It would be hilarious
They have fought the the Ultramarines and Scare lords space marines, and who knows they could have been fighting alpha legion this whole time... I mean it is alpha legion...
The Deathguard put an end to their 5th Sphere.
I may be remembering this wrong (need to check the old BFG tau supplement) but didn’t the ether drive used the sublight engines to boost into to warp before getting bounced back out? Perhaps that’s how the horizon drive it better? More boost into the warp for a bigger bounce? I’m guessing as I haven’t seen the text covering the horizon drive.
Can Arch discuss the Farsight Enclaves?
Can he? Most certainly. Will he? We'll see.
hope he does too
@@lvendahl6776 You speak the truth.
soon as he said grav shields
my brain went to the grav-way meme
good meme good times
Tau Void Weapons: Technology and pinpoint accuracy
Human Void Weapons: T O O B
36:53 damn your mixing up the empire and the imperium? it smells like you've got another project in the works
Empire=imperium, is there a difference?
@@tarektechmarine8209 Mostly what us nerds think of when we hear the words.
Empire: Star wars galatic empire.
Imperium: 40k human theoacry with a lot of vassals.
Loyalty is its own reward!
Have you ever played Sword of the Stars? The psychic dolphin people, the Liir, had no actual engines on board their ships, they move their ships by using their psychic ability to do microteleportations.
The Damocles gulf crusade would not have been sufficient to wipe out the Tau Empire, it may have crippled the Tau and relegated them to an empire on the brink unable to project power like it can in the current day but it would not have destroyed them.
The Tyranids saved Dal'yth and perhaps the Tau's long term survival, but in the immediate the Tau would have survived.
> Muh special blueberries , truth is tau is almost non existent in universe they only survived because of plot armor and GW need for super special good guys (tho with most recent books i see scales to change)
Why exactly do you think the damocles crusade would not have threatened the entire tau empire sans tyranids? At the time the tau had a few hundred planets and crusades routinely conquered or destroyed thousands of planets. The Sabbat world's crusade involved over a thousand planets for instance and that was a fairly minor crusade compared to the macharian crusade.
@@KT-pv3kl Sabbat world's crusade was massive compared to Damocles.
Based on their performance at Dal'yth they would not have been able to take 7 more septs after that with what they brought. (personal pet peeve but 40k is terrible with it's numbers at almost every instance, cartoonishly small, both the tau and sabbat worlds should be in the 10s if not 100s of millions of planets and the Imperium at large should be close to 100 billion worlds, and if irl humanity were to build 1 dyson swarm we'd have the power and capacity to generate armies that would easily out match and out number the Imperium as it's currently presented, every faction is so goddamned underpowered it drives me crazy they don't even get it close to making sense even in universe , I'm just supposed to believe a force of 6 million guardsmen is a massive force able to take over hive worlds of 10s of billions.) I think my rant went off topic sorry.
@@thexenoist3493 you think the ENTIRE crusade engaged at a SINGLE planet and you base your entire argument on that single engagement?
Seriously?
@@thexenoist3493 as for your other points that's a "you" problem with your headcanon not 40k lore.
There are hundreds of millions of planets in the Sabbat worlds. Most of them aren't habitable or undiscovered. You make the erroneous assumption that every planet is habitable or even remotely attractive left alone accessible to either the tau or the imperium.
The same is true for the imperium at large.
As for 6million soldiers taking over a hive that's actually fairly reasonable if low numbers given that at best a population can sustain a military of 1-2% of its population size. More manpower does not equal greater fighting ability in hives especially due to the confined spaces where logistics, strategy and well trained troops are far more decisive than the number of bodies you throw at the enemy.
You are correct that some authors are crap with scaling but your examples aren't supporting your case as much as you think.
you can spin after the halveway point because you are lighter after the first halve.
The void barracuda problem is definitely gw just being lazy same as the shielding a lot of things about the tau reek of a half fleshed out idea as if they weren’t sure if it was a good idea to add the faction and only had half the staff on board to do it
This honestly makes sense, think the US military, they LOVE multi-role aircraft and that said the structure to mass produce these are already in place, they do decent enough with their co-ordination, though I have to ask how good are they against eldar like aircraft.
Ha finally on time for an upload! Im usually YEARS late lmao
I'm not going to pretend to know very much about 40K I just enjoy listening to the lore videos, so my assumptions might be wildly wrong. However I'd love to know what the Tau ethereal caste would think to learn that the Imperium had lost in the last 10K years more advanced technology than they can even imagine creating, and that they would still utterly dominate them if they happened to view the Tau as a serious threat. Or what they'd think about the Silent King and the Necron reawakening.
I am not sure they know about the Silent king. The Necron eeeh…on che the Tau woke up a tomb world by being too loud in battle (against orks I think, or the tyranyds maybe) Necron woke up and slaughtered the Tau’s enemies and when the Tau ethereal went to the Necron saying “thank you noble allies we” the Necron shot at him and any Tau on the planet. Then they went to sleep again.
They would double there efforts to advance there technology.
Tau know they arent as powerful as they hoped but are ignorant of the nature of the warp.
Once they find that out however.
I suspect a great deal of effort will be made to reverse engineer necron tech.
After all.
Tau stick is learning technology really fast.
Ethereals seem to operate in the same dogmatic thinking as many priests of earth's past or the ecclesiarchy. They refuse to accept any information that challenges their world view or use false assumptions to make it fit their dogma.
I enjoy learning about the tau they may be the most evil race in warhmmer but thats why i like them.
That's weird, everyone else tells them as saints, to take over from the facistic imperium of man.
@@tarektechmarine8209 I can hear the Blueberries now chanting "That's not _real_ Tauism!"
@@Zlyxon If we are going by how miserable the people of the respective empire feel as a standard for good, then the Tau are on the bottom end with the Humans. The higher end has a competition between the Tyranids with endless satisfaction through service to the Hive, the fungus orcs with their boisterous enjoyment of a neverending brawl, and the Slanneshi cults' perfection of pleasure.
@@tarektechmarine8209 Being conquers that intergrate xenno's as second class citizens is vastly superior to genocide empires.
Imagine it like this: You are a slaver who threats his slaves extreemly well.
Everyone else is a mass murderer.
You will look like a saint in comparision.
You arent good.
Just better then the alternative.
Woot! Tau lore!
Arch a Manta is worth entire Imperial fighter squadrons and can cripple or outright kill escorts alone. They already have the single best fighter craft out there.
Nice Video Arch. Funny just how much plot armor keeps the Tau Empire relevant.
Let's just forget that the ultramarines exist eh?
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle how does another plot armor make the far worse and excessive plot armor on an entire Species okay? :* The T'au are a fringe Empire, on a level with the empires that get eradicated in 30k within a page or a paragraph. Only plot armor keeps them from that destiny ^_^
@@18947ful I don't see the Tau reviving from the dead, or breaking into the Tyranid hive mind, or never losing a battle. You must forgive me for not understanding how a small empire having enough firepower to make an invasion cost more than it would reward is "far worse" than the aforementioned incidents combined.
Nice video !
The Tau only exists at the mercy of the Imperium
More so the humiliation of astartes into braindead morons
And the imperium exists at the mercy of the necrons.
@@malaficus tbf, more so the necrons fighting eachother and haven't got around to caring about the insects yet..
@@malaficus the Imperium has enough cyclonic torpedoes to make the Necrons go extinct
@@Romuls753 C'tan shards, time traveling staff, death stars, pocket dimensions, tassaracs, etc.
The necrons dont consider the imperium a threat.
Or there woudnt be an imperium anymore.
To break you imperial mind futher.
Eldar have hand size exterminatus devices.
And access to tara.
The imperium is one easy to destroy planet away from being destroyed.
great video, but I think you forgot about the Tiger Shark
I like how so many aspects of the Tau reflect their position among the 40k factions. They're naive, inexperienced and awfully optimistic about everything, from strategies to design philosophies. In any other setting, they would be a force to be reckoned, but in this universe of shert absurdity, they're just not prepared for what the galaxy at large reserves.
And they're yet to bathe in the grimdankness of the future with a major civilization downfall of their own
Knowledgable old ones in the comment section, I beseech thee once more.
Roughly a month ago I asked for some book recommendations and thanks to you all I had a bit of good time. I haven't been able to buy/find all the stories you recommended, but especially the first Chiaphas Cane omnibus was fun.
I was also recommend to read some of the old codexes of topics I liked. But that is where my question lies, from what I know, I am mostly interested in Death Korps of Krieg, Sisters of Battle, Trayzen, Dark Angels, Custodes, Daemons, Chaos Space Marines (Nurgle and the Death Guard mostly).
Are the new codexes okay to buy for any fun stories or lore about these topics? Are they good and worth it? Basically some advice about the latest codexes about these topics would be greatly appriciated.