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- College Football Playoff rankings are finally out. On Josh Pate's College Football Show Ep 587 Josh Pate broke down the rankings. What do we think about Oregon and Ohio State being among the 4 Big Ten teams in the top 10? Will we see teams like UGA, Alabama or LSU, Ole Miss or Texas A&M make it in along with Tennessee and Texas? Who are the biggest winners and losers? Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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How did UGA drop 10 spots after losing to Ole Miss on the road? and oSU drops 4 after losing to Mich at HOME?!?! Zero Consistency
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@@phillipchambers6134 It’s clearly Little 10 bias
but they swear SEC teams are the only ones with bias
Plus both the AP and Coaches have Tennessee over Ohio St
Alabama has no business in there with three losses. And two near losses. The system penalizes teams that actually make it to their conference championship game.
The answer would be Ohio State lost a close one and could have won if their kicker didn't miss 2 35-yarder, while Georgia had no answer in that Ole Miss loss. On top of that, Georgia went all over the place because they haven't looked great all year except in 1 full game and 2 half. They would look like the Miami of the SEC with a couple plays going the other direction. Ohio State plays like a good team all year and just disappears at the biggest moments they needed.
Plus you're comparing a Week 10? situation when a lot were still very much up in the air and very volatile while a lot things are set in stones now. You can't justify Tennessee over OSU and that's why they only fell by 4. At the end of the day Georgia is still ranked above Ohio State which I think is perfectly justified.
The fact Alabama can lose to 2 .500 unranked teams and STILL be ranked in the top 12 is an absolute joke. Take the name away and that team is lucky to be in the top 20 let alone 11
You don’t even believe that comment. Stop fooling
@@Justyouraveragetrashcan So who should be in over them then? Why do the losses matter worse than the wins? I don’t get that. I’m fine with Alabama not being there but I don’t see an argument for South Carolina or Miami being there instead. Ole miss? Yes I can have a conversation about that, but the others no way.
Under this system Alabama can lose 3-4 games every year and get in. It’s all about the name brand and they have King Greg Sankey who really runs college football in their corner 24-7. It’s the reality. Don’t have to like it but that’s what we have
@@CurbBlurbs sorry u don't have saban no more
@@CurbBlurbs what do you mean I don’t believe this comment? I can look around in the rankings at teams with only 2 losses to better teams getting punished far more than Alabama.
Ohio State and Alabama seem to have plot armor
OSU has 2 losses by a total of 4 points while have beaten the #10 and #3 ranked teams so stupid these Michigan fans are.
Yeah well when you’re daddy of college football for many generations, you earned it
Who of those teams getting left out should take Ohio State's spot?
Neither of them should be in the top 20
@@SocialAssasinYou mean replace the team with 2 losses and beat 2 top 10 teams ? One ranked #3 and one ranked #10 move along JR. You obviously aren't too bright.
Oregon as the #1 team in the nation and the least talked about team in the media.
They take care of business, so move along, nothing to see here. No drama for the media to stir up I guess.
Oregon not really the best team in my opinion
@@DJ-fw8xlwho’s better?
Cause they haven’t played anybody so nothing to talk about
@@DJ-fw8xl12-0
A THREE loss Bama losing 24-3 to a 6-6 Oklahoma is a joke as a playoff team.
They could be 24 team playoff you'll still bitch about something
Says the fan of another 3 loss team. Lol
@ I’m a Miami fan… omg. It’s too easy, it’s past your bedtime, Junior!
Compare Bama's two losses to unranked opponents to Miami's. GT/Syracuse combined record of 16-8. Vandy/Oklahoma combined record of 12-12. Not only did Miami lose fewer times, they lost to better unranked teams. Lololololol
Oklahoma was actually 5-5
“Casually bans someone in live chat”😂
Bama moved up 2 seats after beaten Auburn at a 5-6 record at the time, and South Carolina moved up 1 seat after beaten Clemson where the tiger was at 12 seats? The committee is a joke.
Probably because (1) Bama beat SC, and (2) Clemson would be 6-6 if it played an SEC schedule. Records can only be roughly compared in the SEC and Big 10. The ACC and Big XII are so much worse that their teams’ records can’t be fairly compared with the 2 real conferences anymore.
So you figure you should put SC ahead of either Ole Miss or Bama ? Because of course they lost to both of them. Now if you think those two spots are attainable by placing SC over Miami I’d definitely agree.
And I say that as a Tide fan who’s personal opinion is that I would have preferred the team being left out as punishment for our season efforts…
RTR
@@bluemarlin8138 bama lost to multiple unranked teams its pretty pathetic
@bluemarlin8138 Stop it. Just stop with the SEC bullshit. The SEC is NOT some unbeatable conference. Not anymore.
Stop pretending like the South Carolina team frwee7 weeks ago is the same as the SC team that just beat Clemson.
Clemson would be the SAME 3 loss team if it played in the SEC.
FFS.
Nick Saban is gone, friend.
All of you also ran SEC teams, you don't have Alabama to cheer for anymore when your team is eliminated from the Playoffs in week 5.
"SEC! SEC! SEC!"
Do you know how embarrassing that is? Cheering for your CONFERENCE just because your TEAM sucks?
Good lord, have some self respect.
@@bluemarlin8138 “an sec schedule” so like Mercer, vandy, auburn, usf, western Kentucky, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, LSU, Missouri, etc. there’s at minimum 9 right there for you and that’s just alabamas schedule. Stop acting like the sec schedule is some murderers row it’s just not. Even Georgia with the “toughest” schedule got to play tenn tech, Kentucky, Mississippi state, Florida, umass and Georgia tech 😒
Can we all just pause to compare how Georgia dropped after losing to a ranked Ole Miss v OSU's drop after losing to an already bad and very injured Michigan?
they got smoked by 18 that's why. It took them 8 OT's to beat GT. Why you crying about UGA? They beat Texas and there probably a 2
Doesn't matter, OSU, BAMA get it handed to them.
@@SocialAssasinthey are not crying OVER Georgia. But pointing out how the rankings don't seem to make any real sense. Teams move up and down based on where the committee thinks they need them for the next weeks to get in who they want
Its a joke, OSU ranked over Tennessee is a travesty.
And Alabama got smoke to.
All those top 10 upsets basically meant nothing
The second they announced a 12 team playoff instead of 6, we all should have seen this coming
Issue is they punish you more for losing to rank teams than unranked ones
Man you hit the nail head with the hammer!
Upsets mean nothing bc it's only about squeezing every last dime out of this sport
They gave Clemson one final chance, they forced Georgia into a CCG rematch it didn't want, and they killed Miami. Absolutely meant something. Just not things anyone wanted.
Miami falls 6 spots and gets booted from the playoff after losing to a 9-3 Syracuse, who the committee ranks at 22. Ohio State only falls 4 spots and secures a home playoff game after losing to a 7-5 Michigan team, who the committee says is unranked.
Complete joke, having OSU over Tennessee is straight garbage.
It’s the wins - OSU has far better wins than Miami
Miami’s defense kept them out hahah
Pedigree. Same thing with Bama losing to a bad Oklahoma team. If they were some bottom feeder they would have absolutely have been booted out of the playoff.
@@dmayfield125 - Question for the group...what's more important? Looking at a team's wins or looking at a team's losses? Both approaches have a place in the discussion but which one trumps the other one? Is it situational or case-by-case? That's the direction I'm leaning
3 loss Alabama is a total embarrassment, committee is a joke! ESPN got what they wanted.
ESPN has nothing to do with it.
The BCS forumla has Bama in at 11 too
how many natties do we have to jam down you peoples throats till you learn
@@jonathanwilliam980
Yall will get embarrassed and booted out watch😂
@@pjthornton220 last 2 times bama had a bye week they spanked UGA and LSUs ass yall are so naive after all these years to still doubt bama lmao go ahead do it see what happens
bama loses 3 brutal games and still gets in.
Indiana loses to ohio and drops 5.
But Ohio loses to Michigan and only drop 4?!?!?!?!
OSU is pathetic, starting at the HC
Indiana lost to the only good team they played. They are only in the in the playoff because the rest of their opponents sucked.
@@ToddAtkinsShow IU is in the playoff because they won 10 games by 2+ scores. Hope this helps.
Indiana hasn’t beaten a ranked team what a joke
@@terryfarris5297 The real joke is making the playoff despite losing to TWO 6-6 OU teams.
SEC bias isn’t real. Alabama bias is. CFP committee just proved they are unable to pick teams based on skill, and picked teams based on marketability. Carolina’s gets the screw job of the decade and the CFP committee could care less because the A isn’t on the side of their helmet. Alabama has ZERO business being in this discussion.
Alabama has the H2H against SC bro, is the committee not supposed to honor that?
There is an sec bias when they rank those middle tier teams that have no business being ranked to prop up the big boys
Roll Tide!
Should’ve beat bama when ya had the chance! 😢
So let me get this straight, Bama lost to texas last year, then Bama started playing great at the end while texas fell off a bit, but then you guys say Texas should be in because they won against Bama, or that texas should be in with Bama cause of the h2h. Ok, so now carolina was in our same position last year, but you tools say carolina should be in over Bama, so h2h now doesn't matter? 😂😂😂😂 you re res are priceless
I’m an Ohio state fan and I have absolutely no clue how we aren’t in that 11-14 range. 6 is crazy for the shit show we had on Saturday 💀
I agree with the sh*t show Saturday because that was horrible. But we beat the #3 and #9 ranked team. Our 2 losses was a combined 4 point loss. Hopefully this loss from Saturday will spark some fire in Ryan Day's a** to want to win a Championship. He has all the weapons to do so.
No way they should be ranked over Tennessee.
They get that big10 bias, cfp-c showing their extreme hatred of college football except big10 teams.
@@kealwilliamsbut the problem with the argument of saying Ohio state beat 2 top 10 teams is Indiana and Penn state have one top 25 with between them. They are both clearly over ranked
Seriously? 2 wins over top 5 teams, a 1 point road loss to #1, a 3 point loss to a rival. They beat the #3 team on the road.
Agreed 👍 this committee is a joke
@@GatorZillaChomp I know!! Bama way down at 11! 🤦🏻
12 team playoff is a joke. Boise State and SMU 1st round byes is hilarious. Arguing if Alabama is better than SMU, Boise is a damn comedy.
@@zingbangpow That's what they said about Boise when some idiot invited them to play against Oklahoma in the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl.
Whoops.
Liberals
Cfp-c is lead by michigan director... he is big10 boy
“we’re gonna put the best teams in” said the committee last year. that didn’t hold up this year now, did it?
Last year, the best teams got in. Same will happen this year.
Last year was arguably the best year of all the 4 team playoffs
sorry my comment was worded weirdly. should be fixed now
why didnt?
the playoff committees selections have been validated every year
because 'the best' team (bama) lost first round. The two undefeated teams went head to head for the natty.
It could be so simple. Use the old BCS formula, and use the bowl system instead of the home advantage.
The top 11 would be the same teams
If Oregon, EVER, went 9-3 the Committee won't put them in the playoffs.
Not just Oregon. Any team not named Alabama would be eliminated with 3 losses
I agree with you. bama shouldn't be in
when are y’all going to realize alabama runs college football
😂
@@wealthyfuture999Haha! Nah, get ready for late 90s, early 2000s Alabama for the next decade.
A whole lot of 3, 4, and 5 loss seasons in their future.
@Will-fk2dk
y’all have been saying that for years 😭 it’s wishful thinking
regardless of your opinion alabama has a championship in every decade except 2
so just get it into your empty head
alabama will always be a relevant and will always be a contender
will they win a championship every year absolutely not but i bet they will be better than all of your teams more times than not
The playoff committee tends to prioritize wins over ranked teams over losses to unranked teams. Like it or not, the committee is trying to produce the best TV product possible. The rankings are a gamble that a team will play their best in the playoffs and therefore produce higher rated TV. Although I believe they try to be more fair than we give them credit, a team’s theoretical best over their actual results will always be a factor due to the monetary potential.
They will justify it any way they need. Next year it will be about who your losses were to (as long as that gets SEC team in).
Yes this is it it’s about ESPN getting their numbers fairness left the building last year when they literally changed the criteria to get Bama in. It’s all about the money now
Explain Indiana or Penn St or ND? No real ranked wins
No, if that's true S.carolina would be in and penn state,indiana would be down and ohio state would be out
If that were the case SC should be in.
It's not just that Bama lost horribly to Oklahoma, it's that they lost horribly to Oklahoma 2 weeks ago. This isn't Notre Dame and NIL at the very beginning of the season. This is how they were playing in late November. What a joke
No 3 loss team should be in the playoffs.
Bama ranked higher than Miami is criminal.
Both should be out. The committee should punish teams with losses to unranked teams far more than they do. Bama loses by 21 to a 6-6 OU team and gets REWARDED by not having to play in the SEC championship game.
bama's resume is way better than Miami's. Alabama is 3-1vs the top 25. Miami is 0-0.
@@mjw9928 What about losses???? Why don't those count??
Miami gets judged harshly for close wins , but he just ignores actual losses by teams he claims are better… no logic, no facts
Close wins against ass teams haha
@@shutupmanfulwrong a$$-hole.
And no good wins at all
@@shutupmanful and he defended bad losses vs ass teams
They beat zero ranked teams. And struggled at times to do that.
Sorry, but the CFP has been busted favoring BAMA for now 3 seasons straight.
Roll Tide!
Explain, they were left out in ‘22
@@wonvalerius5956 exactly they just hate alabama so much they lie for no reason it’s crazy
@@wonvalerius5956 Go back and look how LSU was ranked to buff BAMA one season and nerf FSU the next.
When you go 6-0 @ home it helps your case kid.
I don’t care if SMU loses by 100.. Bama is out!
Probably better if it’s closer to keep the potential whining down, but this Tide fan would be good with that ;)
RTR
Sucks for you. Your input means squat!
Too bad you'll be wrong haha
They sure are giving the Big12 the shaft.
War Eagle bro!
As they should, they were the most disappointing conference
@TyroneBiggums789 how?
Yes and no, imo. The big problem is that the b12, especially the top half, beat each other up with only 2 teams barely pulling ahead of the pack. Even if you were to say (for the sake argument) that ISU should be higher ranked than Alabama if they lose to ASU, would you really say they are a better team than Ol Miss?? Would most people say that? Stop having so many rather good teams and settle on having at least 1 really good team a year. It can rotate or something.
@@DaNitecaplerThat was the logic for when there were only two or four bids. It was the same logic that doomed the PAC 12, too many teams capable of knocking each other off, and their one-loss team never got the benefit of the doubt over other one-loss teams. But we are arguing about which three-loss schools should get in when there’s a nice selection of two-loss Big 12 teams that deserve discussion.
And before you resort to the generic “They would all be lucky to be .500 in the SEC,” just stop. Texas only played two real teams, Tennessee only played two real teams, Ole Miss only played two real teams, A&M only played two real teams… there are plenty of teams in the SEC that were playing softball schedules. Every conference is so bloated now that playing a challenging schedule is now a rarity rather than the norm.
Miami talked so much crap and trolled FSU fans last year when the committe snubbed them for Alabama.
I remember seeing a lot of FSU fans say "wait until it happens to you." Well, here we are. Enjoy it, Miami fans.
Facts , called us cry babies for nothing lol
It doesn’t matter because SMU and Louisville are going to dominate the ACC for the foreseeable future.
I’m a cane and absolutely felt for you guys. I knew exactly what was gonna happen when they scheduled UGA against you guys after your opt outs. It’s opportunistic crap from the SEC/ESPN marriage to have said, “see, told you so”.
The system is broken and has been. They just convolute it more
All good we’ll bounce back! Difference between US and YOU guys is we won’t try to sue anyone and whine about it all Year lol.
Alabama and Ohio State get too much respect. Getting punched out by Oklahoma and Michigan should have dropped the Tide out of the playoffs and the Buckeyes below other 2 loss teams in the CFP. The CFP Committee will always be influenced by these schools.
Shoutout to Vandy for not only being able to say they beat #1 ranked Alabama, but also a CFB Playoff team 🫡
The way Bama weasels their way into these playoffs is insane
Crazy that Vandy ran away from playing SMU earlier this year. They really wanted that loss to Georgia State
I’d argue that may have been smart on their part lol SMU’s a better team than Bama. Losing to Georgia State doesn’t look bad on them cause nobody expected them to be good in the first place. Avoiding SMU though was probably good for them in the long run 💯
Alabama getting in at 9-3 is crazy I don’t care if they play in the sec you losing 3 games should not be in. If you want to get in don’t lose
ya gotta put 12 in.
Who else if not bama?
It now a 12- team playoff FYI
It was the head to head match ups.
Crazy until they make a deep run or win the whole thing.
Whatever benefits them is the criteria that will be used by the committee
As a Bama fan, i totally agree that SMU shouldn't be punished.
Ranked a loss to a 9-3 team by 4 as a significantly worse loss than a blowout to a 6-6 team and only scoring 3 on their horrific defense. Just as good as Temple did and worse than Maine.
Playoff committee is a JOKE
Look I'm going to tell you something _as an Alabama fan_ - yes, this is completely bonkers.
Can't look at only losses, you have to take into account wins. And Louisville as your best win (with respect to Duke) is tough to stack up against a team who beat Georgia and South Carolina. Miami has a case but I'd rather value good wins.
100% valid take but calling ou’s defense horrific is just ignorant. They have an incredibly talented defense
@@thedungeondelver This is what I mean, when the fan of the team is saying it’s dumb, that’s how you know it’s dumb
@@joshgoldberg8584 what are alabamas best wins? The Georgia win sure but bama only played a good half then fell off a cliff and georgia isn’t really that great this year because they’ve been stomped by ole miss, nearly losing to Kentucky and Georgia tech etc. then SC, and a Missouri team with drew pyne at qb. They have good wins by name but not really that great of wins with any form of context put in. Not saying Miami has great wins but to act like bama has the great wins are just lies
Alabama could be 0-10 in they still would put them in it’s pathetic at this point the games don’t matter
Highest ranked 1 loss team. SEC. Highest ranked 2 loss team. SEC (see where I’m going here). Highest ranked 3 loss team. SEC. 4 loss team with most votes in AP and coaches poll. SEC. If there is a bias, pretty obvious it’s the Big 10. 😂
Seems big 10 teams can lose games and not drop more than 4 spots.
This argument only makes the case that the SEC ranks are overly inflated
There needs to be wild card play in games for teams that are not playing in conference championships this weekend but are seeded in the playoff after week 14. Basically those teams vs bubble teams. It’s the only way to fix playoff and conference expansion and make it fair. Would settle a lot of debate. Play these games Friday for example to see who gets in: ND v SC, ole miss v Ohio state, Miami v Tennessee, Alabama v Indiana. Conference champ games Saturday. More tv money, no who deserves it more SC Ole Miss Bama Miami debate, no “bye week” complaints, everyone wins
This committee is ridiculous
I know! Imagine having Bama way down at 11 🤦🏻
@@jamesmammina888way DOWN? you have to be trolling they don’t even deserve to sniff the playoffs
@@jamesmammina888 sorry didn't u lose to .500 teams like twice
it's more the format in my opinion
BCS formula has the same top 11 teams
The committee decided that Alabama losing by 21 to Oklahoma means nothing to them. Miami being ranked behind Alabama, and ahead of Ole Miss is disgusting.
tennessee having to play OSU at home and then Oregon at home is freakin rough. It seems downright unfair tbh.
It’s straight garbage.
Super unfair for them. They got to play TN now
I normally agree with you Josh, but I do feel this playoff is better than a 4 team playoff. It is one thing to debate who gets in or left out at the 12 spot. It is another all together at the 4 spot. As a Georgia fan, last year stung when Georgia went undefeated in the regular season only to lose to a top 5 team in a conference championship then getting left out of the playoff. That shouldn't happen.
Re-seed, super easy. The problem with just having a committee is they are flawed people that aren’t consistent in their justifications. They care more about the name of the school more than the games. If you judge blindly, the rankings change.
Right, they would change if you took people and their biases out of it. One BCS computer has Bama at 5 and FPI has Bama 4th
The committee has gotten themselves all tangled up with the head-to-head comparisons. South Carolina lost to Ole Miss and Bama so they MUST be behind them. Fine. But wait, Bama got blown out by a 6-6 OU team that South Carolina beat 26. Doesn't matter. The committee has committed to the head-to-head bit, so Bama stays ahead. So dumb.
Tennessee has the hardest path as of right now
If I'm Oregon I'm angry that I have to play Ohio St again or the team that beats Ohio St when I'm the top seed.
The committee is garbage, OSU should be at 8 or 9.
Georgia would have to go against Texas a 3rd time and Bama to get there
Watch SMU shock the world and win it all 😂
Good. Worst fanbase in the country.
the fact that we are having a conversation about the 12 best team when 11, 12, 13, and 14 all have flaws is exactly why i’m against expansion. which one of them is making the national championship? seriously i wanna know.
March madness has taught me that any team can get hot at the right time
Exactly. Like you're freakin 4th in your own conference, whats a playoff gonna do for you?
Roll Tide!
@@jemazondo9331if you're in the SEC you will beat multiple of the teams put in. Vegas knows that
@@umbreonixBasketball is completely different from football. And even then since 2000 17/24 winners have been one seeds.
The only team with 3 losses on that entire bracket is the Alabama team that lost by 21 points and couldn't score a TD 2 weeks ago vs. Oklahoma. Since when do losses not count? And to whom you lost to? The CFP committee showcased yet again how flawed and corrupt the system is.
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Little baby
Alabama's last game of the season was to a 5-7 Auburn team. Auburn has 7 losses. Yet the CFP committee moves them up 2 spots? The week before that Alabama lost to a 6-6 Oklahoma team by 21 points. The week before that they played Mercer.
@@New_Orleans_Ghost_Hunter hide behind your keyboard troll.
I feel a fix to this playoff system would be to completely remove the non-power 4 teams from the schedule of all the power 4 teams and the playoffs. Then have 3 weeks (weeks 6, 10 & 14) during the season set to where the conferences play against each other based on current conference rankings. 1st place plays 4th from the other conference, 2nd place plays 3rd place and after that they will play the matching rank from the other conference. This will give a true look at how the conferences compare top to bottom and would expose teams that aren't what their record says they are.
I would remove tough week 0 and 1 games too. No team is who they are going to be week 1. These games often draw a misleading picture screwing a team over early or propping them up. Our teams should get scrimmage games like they do in other sports. They could do it against non power 4
I think that could work for a week 0 game.
What is the outrage all about? Let's not be naive, the committee is there for money. This is about money. We did have a BCS formula that could have solved this with auto bids but this is about money.
BCS formula has the same top 11 teams
How the F do they put bama in when they lost to not 1 but 2 unranked teams? Uh huh. Tell me it ain’t rigged for Aflac sabans former team.
The argument still backs Ole Miss over Bama though, as they still win when looking at head to head opponents by margin of victory.
When looking at all common opponents (Being
LSU, UGA, Oklahoma, & SC), whether you add up all point margins from both teams (Ole Miss wins 51-17), or just compare the head to head games for both teams in a Win-Loss column (Ole Miss wins 3-1), Ole Miss still has the edge.
From an analyst perspective is still doesn't make a whole lot of sense to put Bama over Ole Miss, and especially not to put Bama ahead of Miami but then not put Ole Miss and SC above Miami as well.
Going forward.. I think Josh Pate and Mark Rodgers, should be the selection committee based on their own criteria.. I think that's something we could all get behind. They could hash it out and explain it to us. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
He'll just put Bama in every year week 1
At least you would understand the how/why of teams rankings
As a Bama fan, I didn't care if we got in or not. Yeah, I wanted to be in but, did we really deserve it? I don't think we are consistent enough to win it all. If we played EVERY week like we did against UGA or LSU, I would feel way better about us being in. Hopefully, Coach can get our guys ready for the first round (if Clemson doesn't win).
For what it's worth, I didn't and don't want Alabama to be in the CFP. However, when I look at the teams as I believe that the committee looks at them, I have Alabama in. Last year, I didn't, and I was upset, because I try my best to replicate the factors that the CFP claims to use. Having looked at the probable situation next Sunday, I still have Alabama in without playing for a conference championship. I also concur that Miami and Ole Miss will not make it and I have South Carolina with the slimmest of hopes, falling just short. (I have the 12th seed going to the Arizona St.-Iowa St. loser, BYU, or South Carolina. The only other thing that might change the situation would be if Clemson upsets SMU, because I believe that both teams would be in , cutting out both BYU and South Carolina.
I’ve never heard The County be referred to as the Tempe of West GA, but that’s hilarious all the same. 😂😂😂
For everyone saying the Big Ten and SEC are above all, there’s a Big 12 team in the SEC Championship game and a PAC 12 team in the Big Ten Championship game.
And a Pac 12 team in the big 12 championship.
So why did they all move? If a player transfers what team is he now playing for? The old one or the team he is currently on? Your logic is flawed.
You're right. I wish I had screenshoted every post here and on X of Ohio State fans warning us Oregon fans that Big Ten is physical and Oregon's flashy style and fancy uniforms won't help them against the big boys now..... ummmm... yeah, the flashy pansies from the west coast beat your defending champ, your prima donna, and everyone else to get to the championship their first year with the "big boys" 😂 Seems like everyone in the Big Ten thought the PAC-12 schools were like USC... seems like no one realized how bulked up Eugene got over the last 3 or 4 years...
My argument isn't about Alabama in particular. My argument is that ANY TEAM in a power conference should have to be held accountable for getting BLOWN out by a .500 team giving them a 3rd loss at the end of their season. I remember when that meant something.
And the fact that we saw BiG 12 teams and SEC teams beat each other up in conference play this year pretty equally as far as 1.amount of losses and 2. who beat who....means EVEN MORE that a team with 2 losses should still get in over ANY TEAM with 3 losses.
The # of losses factor in the equation should have a lot more weight to it than it does. It used to matter. If you had 2 or 3 losses, you were just plain done and out of the question.
Having 12 teams in a playoff, you still need more weight on number of losses. SMU or Miami should get in. And I'm not even that big on Miami.
Hey Josh. It occurs to me that there has never been, nor could there ever be, a College Football National Championship formula that wouldn't cause massive anger and outrage by numerous fan bases. I say go back to #1 & #2 play for the title. Then, the entire season is the playoff.
Strength of schedule bias when ranking is missing the point. It's about winning, not loosing. NO 3 LOSS TEAM SHOULD BE IN THE PLAYOFFS PERIOD no matter what conference they represent. Ohio State, Georgia lost. Those college kids learn that loosing has ranking consequences. Now we have teams like Georgia who can loose and still win. That's not what we want. If you want to be in the final 12. You mist win out at this point. We should reward the Davids that beat the Goliath by honoring their wins. When Oklahoma, Mississippi State, etc beat a Georgia, Alabama, Miami then the looser should pay far more. Every win and loss counts the same. Lower strength teams that play above expectations is a great thing. The best teams play well. They WIN. Winning is part physical, and part mental. Reward both.
I’m glad this is pretty much over now because a lot of people lost their minds over this 😔
Josh out here spitting facts. Josh im the first person to call you an SEC homer but i will say you do have principles and you stick to them no matter what team is playing. I have to give you credit.
If Boise State wins their conference, they could move up to a #3 seed if Clemson wins the ACC.
And if UNLV wins they’ll be the 12th seed and boise will be out
@Yep, but that’s been talked about. By now, everyone knows the MWC Championship is a play in game now.
@@Kryptic_Incyeah I’m rooting for them to be out and UNLV in lol
Idk why they don’t use the NFL system and place whomever is the lowest plays the highest and trickle down
So what Pate is advocating for, is everyone adopting an SMU style schedule. That way the season will not start until the playoffs. Otherwise, Bama should go independent and just play Notre Dames schedule every year and a 12 team playoff is guaranteed. Transfer portal has DESTROYED good teams quality depth. That's why anyone knows SMU from FSU. That's also why Bama loses to OU.
No you can lose a big boy game and another game but not 3 losses
You can’t lose to both vandy and Oklahoma
Yeah, the transfer portal has suddenly given a lot of non-blue bloods an actual chance at having an exciting football season. No way that this is a bad thing.
SEC teams definitely can't go to 9 games and should schedule as many cupcakes as possible
SMU had Vanderbilt on their schedule, then Vanderbilt ran off to play Georgia State two weeks before the start of the season. Should SMU be punished for Vanderbilt’s unprofessionalism?
Josh…out of curiosity do you have stats for SEC teams playing in cold weather environments?
Just wondering because it sounds like some people think they Jalen Milroe has never seen snow before?
Who can save College football? Is it dead dead, or just dead?
Rank like a real bracket. 1-12 2-11, etc.Don't release rank for po till everyone has finished every game. Only make a committee from schools not involved in po
It can't work that way. You need to have four first round byes in a 12-team, single elimination playoff. You then have an 8-team quarterfinal round.
These are exactly how I think the ranking should be except I would have SC 12 over Miami.
You beat me by literally one second 😭
@ 😭
No way OSU should be ranked head of TN. They lost most recent and at home to a bad UM team. And yes, SC should be ranked ahead of Miami.
@@gwhite7136 ohio state lost 2 games by a total of 4 points I'm pretty sure
@@gwhite7136 I disagree but it’s close. This is my argument you can say yours too.
OSU has a top 3 win and a top 10 win
OSU lost to the number 1 team and yo a 7-5 team.
Tennessee has 1 ranked win vs Alabama
And lost to the #5 team and a 6-6 team.
To me the win over Indiana gives them the edge. I wish it was in neyland tho, people don’t realize how load it gets. I hate when Alabama has to play there lol
It’s funny that the two teams that has been blown out this year is ranked high Georgia got blown out and Alabama got blown out !! I can understand Georgia being in but not bama
Tell me you're an emotional shool girl that ates Bama without saying it
@@Murican-Faith learn to spell buddy 😂
JP dogs Boise State's SoS at 86, but SMU, Arizona State, Iowa State, and Miami do not have significantly stronger SoS, with rankings of 75, 72, 68, and 55...
Your flat out lying about that. ASU is ranked 35 ISU is 55 and Miami is 59. Boise state is 78. Get out of here man
@ I guess it depends on the source. I looked at ESPN’s current SoS rankings. You can do so yourself. So, nothing is wrong with wait I said based on their rankings. Relax.
The conference Champ auto bye week made sense if it had been only P4. Only exception being a G5 being RANKED top 4.
This is because this new playoff requires 4 additional games, if you’re Arizona State / Clemson, you’ll have to win 5 games.
The other reason why auto Bids for the top power 4 champs makes sense because to truly crown a champion, you gotta prove you beat everyone. (P4)
And everyone already proved they could beat South Carolina , they need to stop
Which current Big 12 teams have won or even competed in a national championship this century? Get out of here with that P4 vs G5. You can argue P2.5 with the ACC also being mostly a joke of a conference but at least they have Clemson.
Also not to mention that the big 12 literally just added 4 G5 teams last year and 2 G5 teams in the 2010s in TCU and Utah
Alabama would get in a 64 team playoff and people would still be angry
We tried to tell everyone....think about how crazy it is....expand the playoffs and get angry when Alabama and other "big fish" get in every year anyway......makes zero sense. These folks have no common sense. With a 4 team playoff, Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee and Ohio State would be out right now.......
Only if they didn't deserve it. People only get mad in the years thay there is a debate between them and another team that is pretty equal. No one got mad when Alabama was ranked in the top 4. People get mad bc Alabama tends to get on when it is close, even if the other team or teams has an equally valid case.
They’d get in at 2-10 if that was the case
@@tacticalmattfoleywrong, with a 4 team playoff 1 if not all three of ohio state, georgia and bama would "be in"...
@@chrishenley6142 With 2 or more losses and only Georgia in conference championship games, they would not be in a 4 team playoff.
No matter what team you cheer for I think most people can say there needs to be some changes to this playoff format
Did South Carolina lose to any unranked, hell any RANKED teams lower than them? Can't say the same for SC. Bama and OM both beat Carolina early in the season. Carolina got better, and Alabama and OM both choked on their food while Carolina ATE.
So wins “early in the season” (although it was the middle of the season) don’t count?
Now they’re eating Pop tart bowls lol
1:30 is so true. When you lose multiple games you shouldn’t, it comes down to wins. Bama being 3-1 against current top 25 teams while Miami is 0-1 says everything
Boise almost took down the number one team at home. Explain how there strength of schedule doesn’t compare to the joke the sec has proven themselves to be this year!
Because Oregon is not very good. You answered the question, but not in the way you thought....
That was the only ranked team they played all year. They almost lost to Wyoming by the same margin. Comparison, at least South Carolina ended 9-3 after 7 of their 12 games being against ranked teams.
@@tacticalmattfoleyOregon is not very good? 🤡
@@tacticalmattfoley🤣🤣🤣
Playing one good game (a game where the Broncos absolutely outplayed the Swooshes) does not make a schedule. We are debating about whether teams that have played only two or three tough teams have been challenged enough. One single game won’t cut it.
What’s the committees excuse now? Miami had the best offense in the country and a healthy QB.
And absolutely atrocious SOS
@BirchKST that point is irrelevant now. South Carolina has a tougher SOT than Bama and is two spots behind them. Bama moved up two spots for beating a bad school where SC moved up one for beating a top 12 school.
Worst playoy committee ever!
How so? Ah, they let Bama in... weren't you also a big fan of texas' h2h win last year over Bama even though Bama was playing better? 😂😂😂😂 sit down hypocrite
For decades tv could talk about the teams they wanted to talk about, which resulted in brands slowly changing from deservedly being put on pedestals to artificially propped up. Nowadays with every audience member having a voice, we see those biases actually being challenged. Missouri is being propped up right now in order to boost Alabama. They have no business being ranked when someone like Duke isn’t. But by ranking Missouri, the committee can justify keeping Alabama in over SMU IF they somehow lose to Clemson. It’s a shame.
A 9-3 team in the playoffs just means that 12 is probably too many. And if this is how it plays out you potentially get Georgia and Texas playing for the third time.
"It's not even close" is so overused these days and it's almost always close. Always.
Also, there should be no guarantee the loser of the conference games gets in automatically. If UGA were to lose in the SECCG, how fair would it be for them to not only be in it with 3 losses but hosting?? Over a team like TN? One can make an argument for them to be in but somehow not fall below TN? That's like two spots which would be BS lol
They beat Tennessee goofball and Tennessee is sitting at home chilling watching the sec championship game 🤡
Then why play the championship game
If Georgia loses they will be 6 and the big 10 championship loser will be 5
So Tennessee gets bumped up for staying at home? Thats dumb.
@@WhitsSportsthey had bama ahead of TENN even with same record and TENN beat buma head to head, so make that make sense.
@@chrishenley6142 it doesn’t, also explain how bama has three losses but makes the 11th spot when Georgia just lost to ranked ole miss at their place and dropped from 3 to 12. The committee makes zero sense and it’s all biased and about money. College football is being ruined.
Hard disagree, Josh. Make these pampered southern and southwestern teams go play in the cold
Of course they put Bama in. The rich always get richer and Bama is always the richest. They get in when they deserve it they get in when they don’t deserve it. There is never going to be a case where everyone is happy, but I’m getting pretty sick of the preferential treatment Bama always gets.
Ok, so you want Carolina in, well, Bama beat them, so go take a walk girl
Computers like Bama more than the biased human voters
The Big 12 has 3 10-2 teams how does the $EC have 3 9-3 teams ahead of them? The $EC only plays 8 conference games and 2 sub division teams in non conference. At what point should strength of schedule be considered? Why is 10-2 Miami ahead of the 3 Big 12 Teams?
Because the big 12 conference as a whole is mid at best
@@Vol2169 Big 12 has 16 teams that are better than the Arkansas team that beat Tennessee.
@@Vol2169😂
@@drwinstonObooginot a single team in the Big 12 would have better than a 500 record in the SEC.
@@Vol2169 sure they would, Arkansas has a 500 record and they failed to beat the worst Big 12 team. Just thank your lucky stars that Tennessee didn't have to play one of those Big 12 gauntlet schedules.
How does one figure that a BYE is not a huge statistical advantage? it is.
Team A:
Probability to win Round 1 =
65
%
=
0.65
65%=0.65
Probability to win Round 2 =
58
%
=
0.58
58%=0.58
Probability to win both rounds =
0.65
×
0.58
=
0.377
0.65×0.58=0.377 or 37.7%
Team B:
Probability to win Round 1 =
100
%
=
1.0
100%=1.0 (because of the bye)
Probability to win Round 2 =
58
%
=
0.58
58%=0.58
Probability to win both rounds =
1.0
×
0.58
=
0.58
1.0×0.58=0.58 or 58%
Final Results:
Team A's probability to win both rounds: 37.7%
Team B's probability to win both rounds: 58%
Sub in whatever the 2nd round probability is for team B, if you have a bye it's likely 45% at the worst, which is higher than 37.7%
Im using the Penn State 5 seed scenario as Team A and Oregon as Team B
Not to mention injury risk, and the fact that you dont get a rest week....
thats not how probability works kid
It is. The classic example is coin flipping. To calculate the probability of two independent events (i.e. two coin flips flipping heads) both happening, you multiply their individual probabilities (50% each flip). So, (1/2) x (1/2) = 1/4 (or 25%).
Yes, it’s true that if you’ve ALREADY flipped heads once, the chance of flipping heads again on the next toss is 50%. But the probability overall of flipping heads twice is STILL 25%.
@@KiyoPapi yeah, tell me more? What model would you suggest instead? are we talking frequentist vs. bayesian etc?
There are different ways to model it, but under any model if the chance of losing a game is substantial (any game among top 12 teams it wouldnt be higher than 70%) then adding a second game reduces the cumulative probability compared to one game
Best win for SMU if they lose the championship game? There isn't one. Has SMU beaten a team currently ranked in the top 20? No. Just for reference SMU's opponents are 63-70 and Bama's opponents are 92-52. The difference in the schedules is jaw dropping if anyone takes the time to look at it objectively. If SMU loses they should not be in the playoffs.
By all means, let Alabama get in. All those loyal and numerous ticket holders and tv viewers of theirs should enjoy watching Milroe play in some nice cozy winter weather.
I’m sure it’ll work out better than last year…
Cold weather is one of the most overrated “advantages” in football.
Or, they go up to South Bend and thump an over rated Notre Dame team......could be the other outcome. Not saying it's going to happen, but it could happen. Notre Dame does not have a good recent history against Alabama.
@@tacticalmattfoley
No no no bama getting embarrassed watch
Honestly I think it funny people thought it wasn’t going to be Bama, there was still Bama ball remnants that was noticeable in the cfb commissioner teeth
Cry about it maybe your team should beat Georgia and have 18 titles
@ cry? please bama boy, my team is in with multiple nattys, also thank you for backing up what I said, y’all not the brightest fan base
@@New_Orleans_Ghost_Hunter
Ole miss wacked Georgia and South Carolina , but go off sis
Ole Miss? No way. Alabama and Ole Miss were about even when comparing their 4 common opponents, but once you look at the other 8 games Bama is way ahead. The other 8 for Bama included Tennessee and Missouri while the other 8 for Ole Miss included Florida and Kentucky. South Carolina has a better argument than Ole Miss.
Ole Miss lost their three games by a combined 13 points. They also smacked South Carolina by 24. Bama took a three touchdown loss to Oklahoma. The committee fucked this up. Ole Miss was the team.
@@SponsoredByMeFishing agree. Where's Ole Miss in this conversation? They BLEW OUT South Carolina AND Dominated Georgia more than any team has in the last 3 or 4 years. It wasn't even close! They OWNED Georgia. And nobody's making a case for them. I basically wrote them off when they blew it like they always do picking up a 3rd loss against Florida. But my argument is, if we are considering a 3-loss Alabama or a 3-loss South Carolina, why not a 3-loss Ole Miss? NOBODY is talking about Ole Miss. So we may never know just because Ole Miss and Alabama did not play this year.
@@realgoose5471lame wiffin is dookie as a coach/person but Ole Miss for sure gets in ahead of buma and s.carolina if it's fairly ranked.
@@SponsoredByMeFishing Alabama played 4 good teams in Georgia, SC, UT and Missouri while Ole Miss played 2 good teams in Georgia and SC. So they have the same record but the difference in schedules is significant. How significant? Ole Miss opponents are 70-73 and Bama's opponents are 92-52.
Ole Miss is the best team in the SEC outside of Texas and I’m a Georgia fan.
I wish the Gamecocks had gotten in, BUT...they were screwed by the refs against LSU and lost bad to Ole Miss. Ole Miss deserves to be in over both SC and Alabama, but Alabama has the history behind them. Indiana is the only team I wouldn't have anywhere near these rankings. They played one of the easiest schedules ever seen and were destroyed by Ohio State. I hate that they will get in over much, much better teams, only because they played 11 joke teams and won. Indiana loses by 30 in the first round.
Indiana has the 67th SOS after week 14. One of the easiest schedules ever seen? hahahaha. Maybe if South Carolina didn't lose 3 of their 12 games, you wouldn't be sitting here crying about teams that are better than yours.
People talk about Bama getting in because of "history" or the "brand" but all the computers love Bama more than any of the human polls. One BCS computer has Bama 5th and they are 4th in FPI
@@Tfostyyole miss is one of the best rosters in the country 😂they definitely should have been in
How the crap did Alabama get in ahead of South Carolina?? SC Won 4 out of 5 road games and Alabama only won 2 out of 5. SC worst loss was against Ol Miss. Nick Saban being at ESPN is costing teams recognition!!!
Alabama would be undefeated with SMU’s schedule.
Exactly
@@dtlaseo8140then why did y’all lose to Vanderbilt?
bama only won 6 power 4 games this year
That why they lost to Vanderbilt and a 5 win Oklaholma team?
SMU would probably score an offensive touchdown against a 6-6 Oklahoma
I may be the odd man out. I love this madness of the playoff. It really makes it super fun
they do need to re-seed after the first round though. That is something that has to change for the 14 team format
The bias for SEC and Big 10 schools is blatant.
I love the new format.
it is comical at these people crying over who is 12. who is 13. Play better and you won't be in that position
There's definitely a Big 12 anti-bias.
Three 2-loss Big 12 teams with better SOS than Tennessee, Ohio State, Miami, and SMU
Re the SMU/Clemson situation, I've seen a lot of talk about relative merits between SMU and Bama, but the one question I haven't heard mentioned is how do you rank Clemson as the ACC champ?
Does Clemson as 10-3 ACC champ leapfrog the ultimate B12 champion, SMU, South Carolina who just beat them at home, Ole Miss and Alabama, and Miami? If not, do you rank SMU which just lost the ACC championship above Clemson?
If Clemson wins, the committee has created a situation where Boise could end up the # 3 seed. You already discussed the reason why the B12 champ won't jump up to the 4 seed. Why would a three loss Clemson seed earn that right?
Truthfully, regardless of your feelings whether a championship game loss should knock a team out of the playoffs, the question that needs to be addressed is how and what would be required ranking wise to keep them in. And I think the committee has boxed themselves into a situation where the ACC is a one representative league.
I figured south carolina would get shafted.If the sec refs would have not shafted us in the Lsu game we might have jumped bama.But a 5 loss Alabama would probably get in.
Indiana deserves to be in comfortably
For what??
Ole Miss would destroy Indiana.
Alabama is the worst team in the CFP. They deserve to be home. 3 points to a 1-5 Oklahoma team. They stink. Why are they even in this field?
Roll Tide!
Cope 😊
@Murican-Faith Clemson will beat SMU and bump Alabama out. Just wait. They are going to the Doritos bowl where they deserve to be.
BCS formula has Bama at 11, too. Computers love Bama more than the biased people do
As a Bama fan and alum, I agree with your view regarding the SMU Clemson game.
Bama should not be in.
Period.
Name 11 better teams.
@@andyburks53all 10 teams ranked ahead of them, vandy, Oklahoma, I’d put Miami ahead of them, and ole miss and o don’t even think ole miss is that good.
@@Justyouraveragetrashcanexcept Bama beat one of the teams ahead of them so no
I would agree with SMU.
But, playing only 2 ranked teams and losing both is a huge problem. Non competitive.
Win the conference and problem is solved. Thats the beauty of this new system. You can't fluke a conference championship.
wym they 11-1 they did not lost two i see dem losing to clemson is that the second loss?
Referring to SMU losing to Clemson. If that happens. SMU would be 0-2 against ranked opponents. That would definitely hurt them.
SMU must win.
They can't help what the rankings are of the teams they played.
Clemson beats SMU then SMU moves to 8-9-10 -11 team position and ALABAMA is then the first one out of playoffs 😅😮😅😮😅
Problem is... SMU beats Clemmie.
I’d actually prefer this scenario personally…
RTR