Margaret Thatcher and William F Buckley Jr. touch on a variety of subjects including economic incentives, minimum wage and redistribution of wealth. www.LibertyPen.com
We could use some of that in our colleges and universities today. Nowadays whiny kids want to crawl into their safe space when they hear something that they disagree with.
Yep, it's funny considering she banned Sinn Fein from the airwaves. It becomes especially hilarious when you compare how much airtime is given to terrorists today.
A politician who doesn't attempt to avoid questions or change the subject, like her or not but you can tell she believes every word she says and speaks from her core.
***** Surprised to hear that. So much of the beginnings of the U.S. revolved around, and was interleaved with, Britain. Its language, its customs and political philosophies as expounded by your best political philosophers, including the Magna Charta, all was in the minds of those whom we call our founding fathers. And they admitted it. All this despite the wars and skirmishes between the two of us, which our founders understood to emanate not from the British people at large, but from the tightly controlled political forces which were running things at the time. I believe that if you read the whole Constitution of the United States, you would find largely consonant with your own views, even tho different in some details.
I think Maggie was using the US Constitution just as an example of or analogy to economic and political freedom. In Europe, socialism is somewhat ubiquitous. In France, the middle class pays very steep tax rates and the wealthy class pays more than half their income in taxes. And those Eastern European nations do have a lot of social and economic influence on Britain. So the rise of the extreme left is not uncommon in Europe and Maggie had taken a tough stance against it. But it is difficult to compare politics/economics in Britain with the North American counterpart.
@@Mathin3D Donald Trump has done more for the Economy than this lady did. She sure can talk the talk, but she can't walk the walk, and implemented alot of socialist ideas, that led to the close of entire sectors of industry in the north of England. Something your president never did. Grow up, grow a pair, open your eyes.
@@MiguelBaptista1981 Trump has consistently gone back on his word and has therefore not delivered on many of the promises that he has made. You need a proper right-wing leader who will just do what they think is right and not care what the mainstream media thinks.
@@redd_cat Cares what the mainstream media thinks? Trump is the only guy I've seen i decades who doesnt care what the mainstream media thinks. Mainstream media loves covering him because he says and does things he knows will trigger them. As much as i dont like Trump i think you need more non-political types like him.- unfortunately he's no intellectual
@@redd_cat I don't think you realize in the slightest the amount of resistance he had for ANYTHING he did, you have the established powers, cliques, circles and agreements that have been in effect for decades in the government, then you throw an ambitious guy that is hampered by just about mostly everyone in the established system. Ofcourse he couldn't do everything he wanted to do, you'd need to be a god damn dictator to do it, despite all that, he did pretty damn well for the lack of expectations and i'm sure he will do decent in the next 4 years, certainly a lot better right now than the previous 12 years of snoozefest and ever decreasing quality of life.
I was brought up in poverty! Socialism discourages me from creating wealth but only a free market economy gives me the opportunity for my own wealth creation. We shall not be brainwashed in to believing that wealth creation is evil because its not true! It brings prosperity to create more and serve others. Some however don't do that, they use money for evil purposes.
@@Sidtube10 Yes.. but such practices are not exclusive to a capitalist system, you know that right? In fact.. the more centralised power is in a system the more prone it becomes to corruption.
@@moza9835 I agree - all centralized systems have that risk. But there's a difference: A Capitalist system openly espouses 'selfish pursuit of profit' claiming that such self-interest will produce societal prosperity. It doesn't even talk of individual morals/ethics becoz the belief is that institutions would automatically regulate that! The centralization associated with communism at least presents itself as a liberating ideology [on paper at least]!!
@@Sidtube10 Well you said it yourself.. "on paper", how is that of any value? As of moral responsibility, you also said it yourself. Moral responsibility is not a collective duty, it can't be. It's by its nature an INDIVIDUAL responsibility. You can have all the power in the world at hand, and with it govern peoples daily interactions, and still would never solve the dilemma of moral relativity. You could touch the surface, of course. But that's that. People can find their ways to manipulate the law if they wanted to, and the evidence of that is pretty clear. The problem is way much deeper. It's a structural flaw. How to solve it? Well. In my opinion, we need a solid, social structure that's grounded on the most important psychological truths about human nature and morality. A kind of system that binds, and guide us together, and functions just like religion did. But this time, we need to let Science has its say on the subject of moral philosophy, because oh boy, it indeed has much to say
+Tar Man Absolutely. Nationalized industry is a mess. There is no incentive to be efficient, because they can pull money out of taxpayer pockets to support the inefficiency. Of course, inefficiency never is solved by throwing money at it. Those being efficient are taxed to support those who are not. It all turns industry from a wealth produced into a wealth consumer, and all those subsidies cause unemployment in those sectors where the money is taxed from. This all led to the country grinding to a halt in 1979.
This kind of interview is sadly very rare these days. The kind of interview where 2 intelligent people sit down and discuss, at length, ideas and what their implication has. These days nearly all political interviews involve the interviewer questioning and in some cases, barracking the politician and holding them to account. Of course this must happen in most cases, but it would be nice to see a current politician actually be allowed to freely discuss their thoughts and ideas and actually expand on them in the kind of articulate manner Mrs Thatcher is doing here. Instead most of today's politicians just spout soundbites which change with the prevailing wind, whilst simultaneously batting off the next aggressive and in many cases, partisan question from the interviewer.
@@TheMyrmidon22 "fire is a great servant, yet a fearsome master" this house we call America, and the western world in general is feeling rather hot!" and as demonstrated by events in the past two weeks: that "what can we do about it?" is being forced to "we HAVE to do something about it". cos we'll lose everything if we don't
@@linux2005 weird how the comment got it's first two replies 5 years later within an hour of each other! Even though my comment is essentially about nothing, still
Loved, and equally hated by many; she was none the less a brilliant and magnificent Stateswoman. Hillary Clinton isn't even a qualified laundry matron compared to her.
fix you really shouldn’t say such things about Mrs Clinton. Yes she isn’t as bright as Mrs Thatcher, but the Iron Lady was an exceptionally brilliant person, who won 3 elections and led her party for 15 years and her country for 11. And a Prime Minister is far more powerful and influential than a President because a PM must have a majority in the legislature, whilst a President can be at the mercy of a hostile Congress. It should also be remembered that Mrs Thatcher was so successful that she not only helped win the Cold War, she also started the resurgence of free markets with a program and philosophy that was eponymous, ie Thatcherism. No one is ever going to talk about Clintonism, unless it is to recall the careerism and corruption that finally brought Mrs Clinton’s political ambitions to nought.
@@matthew8153 Although Trump may not be the most elegant or articulate president ever he is doing good! Much better than every president after Reagan for sure!
Freedom for the wealthy. If you were working class Northerner or Irish or Scottish she viewed you as little more than a dog to be exploited. Hateful woman.
The most priceless moment of this interview is at 10:50. "You wait. One moment." Pure Thatcher. YOU wait. The best PM Britain has had since Winston Churchill.
The biggest advantage Winston Churchill has, is through gritted teeth, socialists will admit he saved the country from fascism, but socialists pretend that they aren't a threat to the country themselves.
@@tomgibson6801 I am honestly in shock that anybody can have a low enough IQ to think that Wilson was a better PM than Thatcher. Wilson wasn’t fit to lead a Christmas raffle, never mind a country.
" I don't give a hoot about their background or where a person comes from,... what i care about is what they have to contribute to society" we need this lesson in the united states to take the center stage. Stop paying attention to race, to sex, to religion, and just care about creating people that add value to the world around them and the world will get better.
So much of this is relevant today. We've gotten so far away from free society in the U.S. Who would have thought 200 years earlier that a Brit would be giving lessons in freedom to Americans.
weallbfree she so plainly explains the essence of what it means to be free. Buckley was clearly no match for her intellectually; you almost feel sorry for the man.
Actually the American revolutionaries explicitly took their freedom-based principles and values from Brits. The ideas that inspired them were around a thousand years in the making in the British Isles. The problem was that the British government was seen as failing to apply British rights to its colonial subjects, in the same way that the American government went on to fail to apply American rights to women and racial minorities.
***** Oh, you were doing _so_ well until those last four words. The problem of the US government isn't that it denies American rights to $victim_group, it's that it denies them to *everyone* except for the political class and its clients. Indeed, some of the greatest abuses of government power have been justified on the (false) grounds that they would help women and/or racial minorities. You are right, however, about the essential continuity between British and American classical-liberal ideology, and that the American revolutionaries saw themselves not as rejecting the British constitutional settlement but as demanding the rights of free Englishmen.
As someone who generally identifies as Centre Left aka Social Democracy, I have tremendous respect for Mrs Thatcher and her views here. She makes so many valid points here and had so much courage.
Listening to REAL political discussions like these gives me goosebumps and fills me with pure interest. It's so sad we can't do this anymore. I don't understand why this isn't valued.
+kerrowmoar4 . Maggie Thatcher, she was a powerful intelligent woman, but at the same time she dressed up like a lady. She had no problem of mixing a power and being feminine. Hillary Clinton looks (almost) like a man.
***** With Jeremy Corbyn running the Labour party there's no need to dig her up, it won't be long before Labour is dead and buried as an opposition...lol
JCBAirmaster73 Don't worry at least you have the welfare state to fall back on. You should try living in the Philippines, they don't have one, if you don't work you're fucked! think yourself lucky!..
Thatcher didn't like European Union preventing upper classes, bankers and corporations mistreating most British people, when EU said workers should have enough breaks and genetically modified ingredients should be labelled. She wanted Britain to be like USA where food businesses can put ingredients in food people don't know about. She turned Britain into a USA lapdog. Secret service whistle blower David Shayler told how she was going along with USA funding Al Qaeda in Libya against Gaddafi. A country people didn't pay household bills, while more old British people were dying of cold than before. While Germany were concentrating on well paid jobs and free university education, Thatcher was making millions unemployed, and closely linking British economy with USA, encouraging many to be in debt, until economy crashed by early 90s. Nigel Lawson who helped cause the economy to crash was advising Britain leave the EU while he was applying to live in France. When Labour reformed House of Lords, Tories tried to vote against it, as wanted the upper classes to be paid for doing nothing with expenses, while telling the millions they made unemployed they weren't working hard enough to survive
SusieLa1 must be so relieving that everyone you disagree with is such a bad person, that way you don’t actually have to form any sort of coherent argument. Just put them in the naughty person bin and pat yourself on the back. Keep up the good work, comrade
*Gosh, nowadays watching even just one CONVERSATION like this without talkers acting as if they are gonna eat each other the next moment is like seeing a unicorn.*
I was brought up to despise Margaret Thatcher and now I find myself agreeing with most, if not all, of what she says here. Is that age, or have managed to learn something? Of course some of her tactics were brutal, but her overall vision is spot on.
Same here. Parents only mentioned the bad points, but after talking to people who grew up at the time and people who reflect on the time, i'm finding myself more of a fan.
@glyn hodges How she pulled the floor of government control from under our heavy industries, meaning they accelerated factory closures and put thousands out of work in the North. That brutal.
Try a younger Camille Paglia (on the more artistic side of the spectrum, but vehemently in favor of accountability) -- she thinks and speaks at about 200 miles per hour: th-cam.com/video/4M4HPOgwXRU/w-d-xo.html
Thatcher pointed out that in the sciences, even in the Soviet Union, there was a freedom of thought. She was correct, hard sciences are too important to the ruling classes to be cluttered by political orthodoxy. (Mathematics, physics, chemistry, etc..) Amazingly now in the West as well, political orthodoxy or political correctness as we call it, have turned us into something like the Soviet Union. As a scientist I can talk about physics (my field) but fields such as psychology, genetics, etc.. which might contradict the political orthodoxy have become self-censored. It is sad and ultimately destructive. Real socialism and real capitalism are not mutually incompatible. But we now live in a world of global capitalism and global state control where local people and national governments have ceased to matter.
Thatcher of course knew next to nothing what was and wasn't in the Soviet Union or its allies, be in the sciences or elsewhere. And neither do you. For one, you couldn't join academia if you were not politically subservient. Your research was not have been possible if it wasn't approved by the 'party', including and in particular by people in the position of power in it who were not scientists. There was hardly any freedom of thought in the sciences because freedom of thought was not allowed anywhere. It's frankly absurd to suggest that, as a scientist - as you claim to be - it's 'impossible' to talk about science (given you admit yourself you can talk about 'your' sicence). Not you a physicist, but psychologists and genetisits can and do talk freely about the subject matters of their sciences. Attempting to impune some sort of muzzling effect of 'political correctness' (i.e., the insistence that what people say in public conforms to some baseline of decency, e.g. is not wilfully hurtful or offensive towards others) on sciences simply doesn't bear scrutiny. And neither could you corroborate it factually. In fact, the actual threat to sciences and freedom of thought in academia comes from the rampant populism, denialism of science and expert opinion, and the politicisation of scientific research in the West (just as it used to be and continues being in communist states) nowadays. US is a prime example of those phenomena.
@@AA-lu5gp True but in sciences like physics and mathematics it was generally easy to be politically subservient without any direct effect on your research. Some of the greatest physicists came out of the Soviet Bloc: Landau, Kapitsa, Cherakov, in my own field, Ternov, Sokolov,Kondrachenko,.... Today you apply for a Canadian grant and you must prove somehow how your research impacts diversity, inclusion and equity. (Check it out on NSERC site) What does the Riemann hypothesis or the Poincaré conjecture have to do with it? Unless you believe that everything is a social construct and thus these fields exclude women and minorities by construction? Tomonaga Shinichiro studied in Nazi Germany Quantum Physics with Heisenberg: I doubt very much that he had to explain how quantum field theory impacts Nazi Racial Policies concerning the Aryan Race! I worked in China and sure it is annoying to have to use VPN to access useful Websites. But in the end, no one asked me how the property of the spin of an electron or a muon affect the communist party role in society. And certainly science denial of the religious right was a problem 40 years ago and still is. But now the politically correct left has joined the band wagaon. PS Personally I left the West 25 years ago, so honestly I was only midly affected by the Reaganite right in the 1990s not the politically correct left. Now I work in Asia: 100% free of this leftist nonsense and of religious nonsense.
Please don't generalize. The problem is actually in YOUR generation of the media people who give too much attention to marginalized millennial junk like SJWs.
Born in 1988 I fall into the millennial category and Thatcher is my political hero, I completely identify and align myself with her politics and vision. I cant begin to explain how happy I was to see Corbyn defeated.
Thank goodness for her and President Reagan, between her and Reagan we would not have brought down the U.S.S.R. and the farthest left wings, the communists.
free the rich to collect more money. redistribution of wealth now is Bank gives a loan to average Joe for hyperinflated house, then sells loan to Joe's managers of a pension fund (mixed with bad loans) Banks profit from the sale of loan and insures against the loan (hedging) which they know will fail, then bribe govt to pass laws to allow this. then tell govt that it's all going to fail and you have to bail us out by using Joe's taxes. Both Bankers and Politicans go to whores and have fun and coke .Average Joe loses his pension fund, has a massive debt from the mortgage and tax bill. moral of the story be a whore or drug dealer. they end up with the money both don't pay taxes. Yeah Free market! thanks Maggie xxx
"Once you stop those wealth creators from creating the wealth, then there is nothing extra to distribute". I wish all the politicians of my country learned that.
Amazing to think that this was 1977. Carter has just been inaugurated, the Soviet Union was expanding it's empire, the U.K. economy was nationalized and laid low by trade unionism, and these two were the only voices of Conservatism in the west. My God we have come a long way and are much better for it.
Being a member of the SNP, its hard to agree with her policies. Yet, it is wrong for all those that hate on her to continue to do so. She was a rare conviction politician, she stood up and fought for her beliefs, and was elected to do so. She turned around what was very much a declining economy, and reinvested in the infrastructure which the UK uses to this day regarding technology. Credit where credit is due, she did many good and many bad things, but haven't all politicians? There is no easy way to be in control. In today's society, more politicians are needed like her who would stand and fight for once! Not shy away incase the media get to them.
+Mafalda Hopkirk It was more than just her convictions. The UK during Thatchers term in office was on fire. Socialists were actively trying to bring the UK to Bankruptcy. When Thatcher came to power the UK had 15% unemployment and inflations of 25% and when she left office the UK hand unemployment of 5% and inflation of 4%. It was in more than a state of decline it was at the point of Bankruptcy with no hope of rescue. Before Thatcher came to power the UK had gone Bankrupt and hand to borrow money from the IMF just to survive. If the UK had of went to the IMF to borrow again to say it self it would have ben refused that credit.
He was cleared of rape, not his paedophile activity, Jimmy Savile then he was a friend of hers and she knew what he was up to, it was well known in the 70s about Savile and the rest of the, do some research if you care
I think not my grasp is quite good. Am old enough to live through good part of it. have known other people older than me had real first and life experience. Ibeen a lover of history all my life and I read both sides JCBAirmaster73
I do believe you the miners and government own business that were not profitable had to be close. The socialist in France and do the same thing with the coal mines. I remember going to London with garbage power mile high. Unions trying to close down the country. Some even calling for the military to have a coup against the government. She saved Great Britain. It would be worse than Greece. She surely was a Prime Minister to be proud of JCBAirmaster73
JCBAirmaster73 Thats the sad thing though welfare is damaging society, its created this BS class war and because of welfare businesses dont base in our country.
I just don't understand how she could be so for working hard and a meritocratic society but see no problem with British society having a head of state, the royal family and a whole class of people, the aristocracy who got to the top only because of birth and not hard work and are supported by the taxpayer to live in the lap of decadent luxury. That is an inherent contradiction but no journalist ever questioned her about it.
A good general principle that emerged from this discussion is this dichotomy: you can either redistribute wealth, OR you can create wealth. Quite simply, the further you pursue a model of redistribution, the more you destroy the incentive to create. Such wonderful insight and excellent discussion, and so conspicuously absent from current political discourse.
thank you for proving how clueless you are, guess that goes with the territory of blind Thatcher love, If you ever manage to have an original, well considered thought of your own on the subject give me a look up and I might have a adult discussion with you, till then bye bye
***** Absolutely TRUE tar man. Thatcher confined socialism largely to the history books and I am afraid she gets hated by those people for doing so. I think history will show Thatcher to be the biggest scapegoat in British history. She gets the b lame for everything from the sinking of the Titanic to the asian Tsunami to hear some people talk. Its nice to come upon people like u who know the truth.
rudianger123 good bloody god you oughtn't to prostrate yourself before a such an oleaginous power worshipper. She waxes lyrical about some ill defined predicate of 'liberty,' while under her state power wasn't so much reduced as merely transferred to more restrictions on freedom of speech, the right to protest and so on and so forth. How could one expatiate on the virtues of liberties, and a decade later implement the traditionalist gagging order of section 28?
free the rich to collect more money. redistribution of wealth now is Bank gives a loan to average Joe for hyperinflated house, then sells loan to Joe's managers of a pension fund (mixed with bad loans) Banks profit from the sale of loan and insures against the loan (hedging) which they know will fail, then bribe govt to pass laws to allow this. then tell govt that it's all going to fail and you have to bail us out by using Joe's taxes. Both Bankers and Politicans go to whores and have fun and coke .Average Joe loses his pension fund, has a massive debt from the mortgage and tax bill. moral of the story be a whore or drug dealer. they end up with the money both don't pay taxes. Yeah Free market! thanks Maggie xxx
In Poland this thread is still present especially now that the entrance to the European Union. Our country took a lot of socialistic nonsens regulations nad restryctions.
free the rich to collect more money. redistribution of wealth now is Bank gives a loan to average Joe for hyperinflated house, then sells loan to Joe's managers of a pension fund (mixed with bad loans) Banks profit from the sale of loan and insures against the loan (hedging) which they know will fail, then bribe govt to pass laws to allow this. then tell govt that it's all going to fail and you have to bail us out by using Joe's taxes. Both Bankers and Politicans go to whores and have fun and coke .Average Joe loses his pension fund, has a massive debt from the mortgage and tax bill. moral of the story be a whore or drug dealer. they end up with the money both don't pay taxes. Yeah Free market! thanks Maggie xxx
When I recall Meryl Streep's wooden caricature of the Iron Lady, the contrast with the spirited and vivid woman in this video couldn't be greater. All of Hollywood's power to rewrite the stories of Bush, Palin, Thatcher, etc., falls to its knees before the power of a free internet. Let's hope it stays free so people can see the real thing.
"Unless you have freedom of discussion over a whole society you soon cease to have any new ideas. Don't you find that new ideas develop when you talk about them with other people? If you can't discuss them freely because there is a 'correct view', you soon cease to have new ideas." - 3:28
She got me hooked in the first 59 seconds of the interview. This took place in 1977, but I felt that she was talking about June 1, 2020 in America. I'm going to have to do research on her now.
I had a feeling Gillian Anderson's portrayal as Thatcher was quite forced. Now refamiliarising myself with Thatcher and her delivery I think forced was an understatement.
One of the best post-2nd world-war statesmen who uttered every word emanating from the bottom of her heart, Margaret Thatcher should be the role model before every politician in the world, nay,the politicians in the Indian Sub-Continent!In my life-time,seldom have I seen a second self of Margaret Thatcher-a person, gifted with the hardly-founded merits,say,truthfulness,patriotism, far-sighted prudence, a great analytical ability,a great compassion for all, an encyclopedic knowledge and above all, diplomatic skill!The multifarious problem-ridden and strife-torn world of ours is in a crying-need of the likes of this statesman!
this woman was a queen she articulated her arguments perfectly and dealt with injustice better than any politician before or since and im republican Irish
What a character and a brain! She talked like a philosopher yet with her eyes firmly fixed on the issues of the day yet with thoughts way surpassing her time... If she wasn't a politician, she would rightly claim a prominent spot in the realm of pure thinking
Coming from Portsmouth, a military industry city funded by state defence spending, in the 1980s I hated her and danced when Mr Heseltine got so many votes against her as I know she was finished. But I and we on the left were wrong and she was right. Everything she says here is true. Wealth redistribution is like a game of pass the parcel with everyone sitting on their arse and the parcel (of wealth) getting smaller and smaller as it goes around. God bless Margaret Thatcher and may the Lord have mercy on Edward Heath and Europhile pals who conspired against her over the coming Maastricht treaty. She would never have agreed to it.
she right about everything! - Freedom of economic activity creates wealth (doesn't just redistribute existing wealth) - New ideas flourish in a completely open society - Comprise and consensus means being half right and half wrong (not fully right) - liberty vs. being told what to do (for the sake of security) - excessive taxation stifling drive (why work hard when 50% of your pay check goes to the government) - wealth creators vs workers
Being brought up in England from a working family, I never knew how smart and right M. Thatcher and genuinely honest she was; I wish she was still our Prime minister today. Years of brain washing and indoctrination into labourite socialism has ruined my life. Socialism in my country continues to do so today. Corbyn and the Labour Party want more socialism for the UK and it means a lot of misery for all. Life is suffering but we needn't make more of it for ourselves!
Wow! Margaret's articulation of a business owner's demise and grievances is wrapped in perfection. It is not easy to build a business let alone pushing it to profitability. It is a huge responsibility and oftentimes takes a lot of sweat and tears. I've never heard anyone put the point across as easily and cleverly than Margaret has ever done!
When I was a kid in England, I had no idea that she invented a way to ake ice cream. If I had known that, I would have worked harder in chemistry class. Thatcher was an unusual candidate; she'd actually had a real job.
The irony of Thatcher’s idea is that an interview like this would never be shown on television today, such is the way in which an unregulated market has distorted our media.
It saddens me slightly when I watch this. A recent YouGov poll suggested that the British public were more in favour of socialism than capitalism. I don't hear any loud defence of capitalism and the free market. I don't like the direction our country is going and it saddens me that despite the economic prosperity of the capitalist-dominated United States, we continue to defend a socialist ideal that has never worked in the real world.
Both are not humanist. We deserve better beyond these old systems and labels. Freedom, trade, caring for community but not coddled. Options, choices, health and prosperity and sharing. A new way of existing. No more politics and control.
Because capitalism nowadays means socialism for the rich/companies and capitalism for the poor. Let me also ask you this: guaranteeing that there is a certain amount of ICU beds in the country and strategic stockpiles of masks/material, is this capitalism? The state would need to plan this from a central point, so surely it is not capitalism, yet it would be highly advantageous. Externalities are not internalized without government interference (lack of preparation for low chance high-risk events, environmental damage, etc). It doesn't mean you need the state to take complete control of this, but you definitely need the state to change the incentives of companies. This yougov poll just shows people want to move more -towards- socialism, because it makes more sense to have intervention to a certain degree.
@@mouzurX If it's the NHS, of course it's not capitalism. The US has one of the most privately run healthcare systems in the world and, for all it's faults, they had way more than an adequate amount of PPE and ICU beds. In a time of crisis though, like the one we're in, of course there will be more central coordination. But that lack of central coordination has not hurt the US response at all in terms of PPE or ICU beds. I would just be careful comparing this time with normal times. In normal times, you would expect the gov to prepare. During a crises, you would expect government to take a more central role in all of our lives. We really are the ungrateful generation. Think of what we have. We look at luxuries as necessities. In the entire world history of planet earth, most of us are now in the top 0.001% of people that have ever lived. That's thanks to technology, driven, for the most part, by capitalism. I believe the state is good at sowing the seeds of technology. Think of the public money that went into the internet or smartphones for example. There are no doubt technologies state funded, right now, that wouldn't have been funded by the private sector. So the state can sow the seeds of technology and innovation. But once it reaches a certain point, you've got to let it go. I think that's where capitalism really wins. Microsoft and Apple wouldn't be around if it wasn't thanks to state-funded tech. But if neither were around, the state of tech would be nowhere near the level it's at. It's about sensible balance. That's where I draw the line. I think, in the UK in particular, we have taken the state past the point of efficacy. Which is why I think people don't get what capitalism really is. I'm not talking about an ultra free-market, no regulation, no law environment. That's not capitalism in my eyes, that's anarchy. Good capitalism requires laws and governments. Property law is a foundation of capitalism. That needs a state and a judiciary to function. But that's what we have right now and we have it good. We live in a capitalist society and life, on a whole, is great, for the vast, vast majority. Most of the flaws are with public, not private institutions, because, at least in the case of the latter, we have choice. And competition really is the catalyst for societal improvement. Flipping society on its head? Becoming a socialist society? Britain tried that in the 70s and we've forgotten what it was like. Or, unfortunately if you are young, you aren't really taught what it was like.
@@mouzurX "Responsible Socialism" I'm not against business making huge profits at all, but the redistribution of wealth needs to be fairer. It's a sad day when you work hard as an employee and you don't get enough pay to save to buy your own house because the company you work is paying you a low wage. People will cry oh just go and get another better paying job. If it were that simple everyone would be doing it and we wouldn't have the significant financial inequality that we have now.
This conversation is so dense I had to listen to it a few times to understand what they said. I can't imagine a conversation like this on 60 minutes nowadays. Were Thatcher and Buckley exceptional for their time or has public discourse degraded?
She impresses me by how quick and precise she can talk on this stuff, and does it in style she knows it that well! I also got the feeling these two needed to get a room!! :D
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"New ideas are created when they can be discussed freely, but if there is a CORRECT view then you cease to have new ideas" Great line.
Truth is important.
Saint Thomas of Aquinas said, "If there is a choice between God and truth, I'll take truth".
We could use some of that in our colleges and universities today. Nowadays whiny kids want to crawl into their safe space when they hear something that they disagree with.
This is how liberals think - their view is correct
Yep, it's funny considering she banned Sinn Fein from the airwaves. It becomes especially hilarious when you compare how much airtime is given to terrorists today.
A politician who doesn't attempt to avoid questions or change the subject, like her or not but you can tell she believes every word she says and speaks from her core.
You can say the same thing about Hitler.
you don't need to shy away from answers when you are not trying to bullshit :D
Her core which is rotten.
@@paifu. Obviously you never lived in her time. The ignorant comment is testament to your ignorance.
exactly,the only problem is her pov is problematic but she surely believe and know very well what she's talking about
She seems to understand the value of our Constitution more than most Americans do.
Very rare and immensely intelligent woman.
more than our President too.
Dumb only means "silent."
Yet, like other great people, she still speaks to us via her words and examples.
***** Surprised to hear that. So much of the beginnings of the U.S. revolved around, and was interleaved with, Britain. Its language, its customs and political philosophies as expounded by your best political philosophers, including the Magna Charta, all was in the minds of those whom we call our founding fathers. And they admitted it. All this despite the wars and skirmishes between the two of us, which our founders understood to emanate not from the British people at large, but from the tightly controlled political forces which were running things at the time.
I believe that if you read the whole Constitution of the United States, you would find largely consonant with your own views, even tho different in some details.
+James Young What's your take on the American form of government?
I think Maggie was using the US Constitution just as an example of or analogy to economic and political freedom. In Europe, socialism is somewhat ubiquitous. In France, the middle class pays very steep tax rates and the wealthy class pays more than half their income in taxes. And those Eastern European nations do have a lot of social and economic influence on Britain. So the rise of the extreme left is not uncommon in Europe and Maggie had taken a tough stance against it. But it is difficult to compare politics/economics in Britain with the North American counterpart.
It's clearly understandable why this woman became UK's first female PM. She is something truly extraordinary!
Nope she is terrible and hurt the US. Which is why people celebrated the witch's death
Dang - How sad we don't have politicians with this level of intellect any more. Truly stimulating discussion.
@ Kevin
What are you talking about? We have the intellectual Donald rump!
@@Mathin3D
Donald Trump has done more for the Economy than this lady did.
She sure can talk the talk, but she can't walk the walk, and implemented alot of socialist ideas, that led to the close of entire sectors of industry in the north of England.
Something your president never did. Grow up, grow a pair, open your eyes.
@@MiguelBaptista1981 Trump has consistently gone back on his word and has therefore not delivered on many of the promises that he has made. You need a proper right-wing leader who will just do what they think is right and not care what the mainstream media thinks.
@@redd_cat Cares what the mainstream media thinks? Trump is the only guy I've seen i decades who doesnt care what the mainstream media thinks. Mainstream media loves covering him because he says and does things he knows will trigger them. As much as i dont like Trump i think you need more non-political types like him.- unfortunately he's no intellectual
@@redd_cat I don't think you realize in the slightest the amount of resistance he had for ANYTHING he did, you have the established powers, cliques, circles and agreements that have been in effect for decades in the government, then you throw an ambitious guy that is hampered by just about mostly everyone in the established system.
Ofcourse he couldn't do everything he wanted to do, you'd need to be a god damn dictator to do it, despite all that, he did pretty damn well for the lack of expectations and i'm sure he will do decent in the next 4 years, certainly a lot better right now than the previous 12 years of snoozefest and ever decreasing quality of life.
I was brought up in poverty! Socialism discourages me from creating wealth but only a free market economy gives me the opportunity for my own wealth creation. We shall not be brainwashed in to believing that wealth creation is evil because its not true! It brings prosperity to create more and serve others. Some however don't do that, they use money for evil purposes.
People mistake capitalism for corruption
@@moza9835 And there is a basis to that - it is called crony capitalism or simply, cronyism as some like to call it!
@@Sidtube10 Yes.. but such practices are not exclusive to a capitalist system, you know that right? In fact.. the more centralised power is in a system the more prone it becomes to corruption.
@@moza9835 I agree - all centralized systems have that risk. But there's a difference: A Capitalist system openly espouses 'selfish pursuit of profit' claiming that such self-interest will produce societal prosperity. It doesn't even talk of individual morals/ethics becoz the belief is that institutions would automatically regulate that! The centralization associated with communism at least presents itself as a liberating ideology [on paper at least]!!
@@Sidtube10 Well you said it yourself.. "on paper", how is that of any value? As of moral responsibility, you also said it yourself. Moral responsibility is not a collective duty, it can't be. It's by its nature an INDIVIDUAL responsibility. You can have all the power in the world at hand, and with it govern peoples daily interactions, and still would never solve the dilemma of moral relativity. You could touch the surface, of course. But that's that. People can find their ways to manipulate the law if they wanted to, and the evidence of that is pretty clear. The problem is way much deeper. It's a structural flaw. How to solve it? Well. In my opinion, we need a solid, social structure that's grounded on the most important psychological truths about human nature and morality. A kind of system that binds, and guide us together, and functions just like religion did. But this time, we need to let Science has its say on the subject of moral philosophy, because oh boy, it indeed has much to say
A truly great woman. One who had the courage to stand up for a better society.
olli tuovinen War früher ,schlechter ?
olli tuovinen Was it better?
***** Glenda can explain reality to you. She's a real woman and a better leader.
+Tar Man Absolutely. Nationalized industry is a mess. There is no incentive to be efficient, because they can pull money out of taxpayer pockets to support the inefficiency. Of course, inefficiency never is solved by throwing money at it. Those being efficient are taxed to support those who are not. It all turns industry from a wealth produced into a wealth consumer, and all those subsidies cause unemployment in those sectors where the money is taxed from. This all led to the country grinding to a halt in 1979.
"there is no such thing as society" she left with a bad economy and high unemployment
This kind of interview is sadly very rare these days. The kind of interview where 2 intelligent people sit down and discuss, at length, ideas and what their implication has. These days nearly all political interviews involve the interviewer questioning and in some cases, barracking the politician and holding them to account. Of course this must happen in most cases, but it would be nice to see a current politician actually be allowed to freely discuss their thoughts and ideas and actually expand on them in the kind of articulate manner Mrs Thatcher is doing here. Instead most of today's politicians just spout soundbites which change with the prevailing wind, whilst simultaneously batting off the next aggressive and in many cases, partisan question from the interviewer.
morgansifer I
Joe rogan's interviews with political candidates feel like what you're alluding to
@@TheMyrmidon22 "fire is a great servant, yet a fearsome master"
this house we call America, and the western world in general is feeling rather hot!"
and as demonstrated by events in the past two weeks: that "what can we do about it?" is being forced to "we HAVE to do something about it". cos we'll lose everything if we don't
There's one jerker like this on every old interview
Mark Levin.....Life Liberty and Levin""
She had a backbone. Love her and miss her, even though she was not an American. She was POWERFUL.
No not American. But from a far older line. Was of your forebearers GREAT BRITAIN.
@@linux2005 weird how the comment got it's first two replies 5 years later within an hour of each other! Even though my comment is essentially about nothing, still
But remember in the 1980s she ran the world. She ran America as well as Britain too she and President Ronald Regan ran the world.
Loved, and equally hated by many; she was none the less a brilliant and magnificent Stateswoman. Hillary Clinton isn't even a qualified laundry matron compared to her.
Lol. Shes just a moron bitch. Put her in a debate with anyone and she would look like a complete idiot.
fix you really shouldn’t say such things about Mrs Clinton. Yes she isn’t as bright as Mrs Thatcher, but the Iron Lady was an exceptionally brilliant person, who won 3 elections and led her party for 15 years and her country for 11. And a Prime Minister is far more powerful and influential than a President because a PM must have a majority in the legislature, whilst a President can be at the mercy of a hostile Congress.
It should also be remembered that Mrs Thatcher was so successful that she not only helped win the Cold War, she also started the resurgence of free markets with a program and philosophy that was eponymous, ie Thatcherism. No one is ever going to talk about Clintonism, unless it is to recall the careerism and corruption that finally brought Mrs Clinton’s political ambitions to nought.
I yearn for the days where we had leaders like "the Iron Lady"!
Blast Fromthepast
Thank God we do here in America. I wish you the best of luck getting rid of May.
@@matthew8153 Although Trump may not be the most elegant or articulate president ever he is doing good! Much better than every president after Reagan for sure!
@@matthew8153 money printer goes brrrrrr lol
We have Donald J. Trump.
Our "iron lady" tried to bring totalitarian regime and inscripted "democratic socialist" in our Constitution . Oh god do I hate her .
She has such a genuine appreciation for freedom - she's one of the greatest Americans to ever live and she wasn't even American.
Freedom for the wealthy. If you were working class Northerner or Irish or Scottish she viewed you as little more than a dog to be exploited. Hateful woman.
She was totally in control of that interview. See how she was mirroring him by leaning to her left 😂
The most priceless moment of this interview is at 10:50. "You wait. One moment." Pure Thatcher. YOU wait. The best PM Britain has had since Winston Churchill.
cough cough attlee cough cough wilson cough cough macmillan cough cough every single prime minster apart from that nasty woman
@@benisrood fairly sure mrs "free markets will solve every problem" was the ideologue and subsidseing the poor is right. letting them die is wrong
Evan Bernard love idiot sheeple .
The biggest advantage Winston Churchill has, is through gritted teeth, socialists will admit he saved the country from fascism, but socialists pretend that they aren't a threat to the country themselves.
@@tomgibson6801 I am honestly in shock that anybody can have a low enough IQ to think that Wilson was a better PM than Thatcher. Wilson wasn’t fit to lead a Christmas raffle, never mind a country.
" I don't give a hoot about their background or where a person comes from,... what i care about is what they have to contribute to society" we need this lesson in the united states to take the center stage. Stop paying attention to race, to sex, to religion, and just care about creating people that add value to the world around them and the world will get better.
So much of this is relevant today. We've gotten so far away from free society in the U.S. Who would have thought 200 years earlier that a Brit would be giving lessons in freedom to Americans.
weallbfree she so plainly explains the essence of what it means to be free. Buckley was clearly no match for her intellectually; you almost feel sorry for the man.
To be honest, I wish a few of my fellow Brits would take those lessons too...
Actually the American revolutionaries explicitly took their freedom-based principles and values from Brits. The ideas that inspired them were around a thousand years in the making in the British Isles. The problem was that the British government was seen as failing to apply British rights to its colonial subjects, in the same way that the American government went on to fail to apply American rights to women and racial minorities.
***** Oh, you were doing _so_ well until those last four words. The problem of the US government isn't that it denies American rights to $victim_group, it's that it denies them to *everyone* except for the political class and its clients. Indeed, some of the greatest abuses of government power have been justified on the (false) grounds that they would help women and/or racial minorities.
You are right, however, about the essential continuity between British and American classical-liberal ideology, and that the American revolutionaries saw themselves not as rejecting the British constitutional settlement but as demanding the rights of free Englishmen.
England had so much wealth it was ridiculous, they learnt from the consequences of that wealth allocation. U.S.A hasn't reached that point yet.
As someone who generally identifies as Centre Left aka Social Democracy, I have tremendous respect for Mrs Thatcher and her views here. She makes so many valid points here and had so much courage.
Hello, Joe! Are you still a Social Democrat?
I'm glad to see a lefty who is honestly just listening to conservatives talking.
Social democracy is the Cancer of the modern world and has destroyed everything good.
Listening to REAL political discussions like these gives me goosebumps and fills me with pure interest. It's so sad we can't do this anymore. I don't understand why this isn't valued.
"New ideas are created when they can be discussed freely, but if there is a CORRECT view then you cease to have new ideas"
Maggie we miss you, Shabbat Shalom from Tel Aviv..
+kerrowmoar4 . Maggie Thatcher, she was a powerful intelligent woman, but at the same time she dressed up like a lady.
She had no problem of mixing a power and being feminine.
Hillary Clinton looks (almost) like a man.
Winn Sutanto And Michelle Obama actually is a man from all the stories I've heard :)
***** With Jeremy Corbyn running the Labour party there's no need to dig her up, it won't be long before Labour is dead and buried as an opposition...lol
JCBAirmaster73 Don't worry at least you have the welfare state to fall back on. You should try living in the Philippines, they don't have one, if you don't work you're fucked! think yourself lucky!..
JCBAirmaster73 Yes but the Tories reward hard working people who save their money. Labour rewards lazy bastards..
How quickly we have forgotten the lessons that great people like Mrs. Thatcher have taught us.
What a great woman
Are you mad?
what an UGLY woman. cunt.
von braun werner This woman haved most balls like you
Thatcher didn't like European Union preventing upper classes, bankers and corporations mistreating most British people, when EU said workers should have enough breaks and genetically modified ingredients should be labelled. She wanted Britain to be like USA where food businesses can put ingredients in food people don't know about. She turned Britain into a USA lapdog. Secret service whistle blower David Shayler told how she was going along with USA funding Al Qaeda in Libya against Gaddafi. A country people didn't pay household bills, while more old British people were dying of cold than before. While Germany were concentrating on well paid jobs and free university education, Thatcher was making millions unemployed, and closely linking British economy with USA, encouraging many to be in debt, until economy crashed by early 90s. Nigel Lawson who helped cause the economy to crash was advising Britain leave the EU while he was applying to live in France.
When Labour reformed House of Lords, Tories tried to vote against it, as wanted the upper classes to be paid for doing nothing with expenses, while telling the millions they made unemployed they weren't working hard enough to survive
SusieLa1 must be so relieving that everyone you disagree with is such a bad person, that way you don’t actually have to form any sort of coherent argument. Just put them in the naughty person bin and pat yourself on the back. Keep up the good work, comrade
*Gosh, nowadays watching even just one CONVERSATION like this without talkers acting as if they are gonna eat each other the next moment is like seeing a unicorn.*
I was brought up to despise Margaret Thatcher and now I find myself agreeing with most, if not all, of what she says here. Is that age, or have managed to learn something? Of course some of her tactics were brutal, but her overall vision is spot on.
Same here. Parents only mentioned the bad points, but after talking to people who grew up at the time and people who reflect on the time, i'm finding myself more of a fan.
I don’t think it’s age, but experience.
Me too. Think a lot of what she says makes sense.
@glyn hodges How she pulled the floor of government control from under our heavy industries, meaning they accelerated factory closures and put thousands out of work in the North. That brutal.
@glyn hodges Conveniently missing out coal mining then, which is why I said "heavy industries"...
I don't believe I have ever been so largely intellectually attracted to a woman as I am towards Margaret.
Try a younger Camille Paglia (on the more artistic side of the spectrum, but vehemently in favor of accountability) -- she thinks and speaks at about 200 miles per hour:
th-cam.com/video/4M4HPOgwXRU/w-d-xo.html
Captivating. A lady who spoke her mind and believed every word. Sent out the right message.
Every couple of years we have to re-fight these points. Amazing.
corey fisher
Vigilance is the price of freedom.
How do you think she would have coped with Covid ?
Thatcher pointed out that in the sciences, even in the Soviet Union, there was a freedom of thought. She was correct, hard sciences are too important to the ruling classes to be cluttered by political orthodoxy. (Mathematics, physics, chemistry, etc..)
Amazingly now in the West as well, political orthodoxy or political correctness as we call it, have turned us into something like the Soviet Union. As a scientist I can talk about physics (my field) but fields such as psychology, genetics, etc.. which might contradict the political orthodoxy have become self-censored.
It is sad and ultimately destructive.
Real socialism and real capitalism are not mutually incompatible. But we now live in a world of global capitalism and global state control where local people and national governments have ceased to matter.
Thatcher of course knew next to nothing what was and wasn't in the Soviet Union or its allies, be in the sciences or elsewhere. And neither do you. For one, you couldn't join academia if you were not politically subservient. Your research was not have been possible if it wasn't approved by the 'party', including and in particular by people in the position of power in it who were not scientists. There was hardly any freedom of thought in the sciences because freedom of thought was not allowed anywhere.
It's frankly absurd to suggest that, as a scientist - as you claim to be - it's 'impossible' to talk about science (given you admit yourself you can talk about 'your' sicence). Not you a physicist, but psychologists and genetisits can and do talk freely about the subject matters of their sciences. Attempting to impune some sort of muzzling effect of 'political correctness' (i.e., the insistence that what people say in public conforms to some baseline of decency, e.g. is not wilfully hurtful or offensive towards others) on sciences simply doesn't bear scrutiny. And neither could you corroborate it factually.
In fact, the actual threat to sciences and freedom of thought in academia comes from the rampant populism, denialism of science and expert opinion, and the politicisation of scientific research in the West (just as it used to be and continues being in communist states) nowadays. US is a prime example of those phenomena.
@@AA-lu5gp True but in sciences like physics and mathematics it was generally easy to be politically subservient without any direct effect on your research. Some of the greatest physicists came out of the Soviet Bloc: Landau, Kapitsa, Cherakov, in my own field, Ternov, Sokolov,Kondrachenko,....
Today you apply for a Canadian grant and you must prove somehow how your research impacts diversity, inclusion and equity. (Check it out on NSERC site) What does the Riemann hypothesis or the Poincaré conjecture have to do with it? Unless you believe that everything is a social construct and thus these fields exclude women and minorities by construction? Tomonaga Shinichiro studied in Nazi Germany Quantum Physics with Heisenberg: I doubt very much that he had to explain how quantum field theory impacts Nazi Racial Policies concerning the Aryan Race!
I worked in China and sure it is annoying to have to use VPN to access useful Websites. But in the end, no one asked me how the property of the spin of an electron or a muon affect the communist party role in society.
And certainly science denial of the religious right was a problem 40 years ago and still is. But now the politically correct left has joined the band wagaon.
PS Personally I left the West 25 years ago, so honestly I was only midly affected by the Reaganite right in the 1990s not the politically correct left. Now I work in Asia: 100% free of this leftist nonsense and of religious nonsense.
@Raimonster they both do not exist in practice is what I should have said. Thanks.
And today there are people who actually try to argue 2+2=5. Good grief this woman was a prophet.
A must watch for the millennials. there is more education here than in an entire college semester
Please don't generalize. The problem is actually in YOUR generation of the media people who give too much attention to marginalized millennial junk like SJWs.
You know, Millenials are people that were born during the tenure as pm and slightly beyond after she resigned
Michael Kocevar well said. This insights don,t need no collage education to understand what Margaret is saying.
This is a must watch for any generation. Remember that many of Thatcher’s generation disagreed with her. The generation of the Left that opposes her.
Born in 1988 I fall into the millennial category and Thatcher is my political hero, I completely identify and align myself with her politics and vision. I cant begin to explain how happy I was to see Corbyn defeated.
Thank goodness for her and President Reagan, between her and Reagan we would not have brought down the U.S.S.R. and the farthest left wings, the communists.
free the rich to collect more money. redistribution of wealth now is Bank gives a loan to average Joe for hyperinflated house, then sells loan to Joe's managers of a pension fund (mixed with bad loans) Banks profit from the sale of loan and insures against the loan (hedging) which they know will fail, then bribe govt to pass laws to allow this. then tell govt that it's all going to fail and you have to bail us out by using Joe's taxes. Both Bankers and Politicans go to whores and have fun and coke .Average Joe loses his pension fund, has a massive debt from the mortgage and tax bill. moral of the story be a whore or drug dealer. they end up with the money both don't pay taxes. Yeah Free market! thanks Maggie xxx
The only problem with bringing down communism is that people who haven't lived through it now see it though rose tinted glasses.
I miss both Thatcher and Reagan. They both were rulers who understood freedom and prosperity.
Fuck off
Bernard Chumly What an intelligent and articulate comeback!
EnglishDreadnought More intelligent than what you just said, need I explain how deluded u clearly are?
Bernard Chumly No, you may keep your communist brainwashing to yourself thank you.
Bernard Chumly dude ridicule is the only argument of a fool. and you proved yourself a fucking fool.
More valid today than ever. Interesting that she mentions the American constitution at the start, and that is now seriously under threat.
"You can have total security without any freedom"
- Margaret Thatcher
"Once you stop those wealth creators from creating the wealth, then there is nothing extra to distribute". I wish all the politicians of my country learned that.
No one can stop workers from creating wealth. You can stop others from stealing it
@@thetasworld uhh actually communist/socialist governments are very good at stopping workers from creating wealth 😳
Amazing to think that this was 1977. Carter has just been inaugurated, the Soviet Union was expanding it's empire, the U.K. economy was nationalized and laid low by trade unionism, and these two were the only voices of Conservatism in the west. My God we have come a long way and are much better for it.
much worse
@@tomgibson6801 june 2020
revisit this thread NOW! much worse STILL!!
Numantino312 agreed
Being a member of the SNP, its hard to agree with her policies. Yet, it is wrong for all those that hate on her to continue to do so. She was a rare conviction politician, she stood up and fought for her beliefs, and was elected to do so. She turned around what was very much a declining economy, and reinvested in the infrastructure which the UK uses to this day regarding technology. Credit where credit is due, she did many good and many bad things, but haven't all politicians? There is no easy way to be in control.
In today's society, more politicians are needed like her who would stand and fight for once! Not shy away incase the media get to them.
+Mafalda Hopkirk Did you reword Hitler's obituary?
beingsshepherd I see your point, but alas, no I did not,
+Mafalda Hopkirk
It was more than just her convictions.
The UK during Thatchers term in office was on fire. Socialists were actively trying to bring the UK to Bankruptcy.
When Thatcher came to power the UK had 15% unemployment and inflations of 25% and when she left office the UK hand unemployment of 5% and inflation of 4%.
It was in more than a state of decline it was at the point of Bankruptcy with no hope of rescue.
Before Thatcher came to power the UK had gone Bankrupt and hand to borrow money from the IMF just to survive.
If the UK had of went to the IMF to borrow again to say it self it would have ben refused that credit.
Thatcher was an amazing leader and thinker
She was an evil pedophile supporter, Leon Britton and the rest of them
What proof do you have? Leon Brittan was not charged and the police apologized to his widow for the investigation
He was cleared of rape, not his paedophile activity, Jimmy Savile then he was a friend of hers and she knew what he was up to, it was well known in the 70s about Savile and the rest of the, do some research if you care
She pegs political correctness in 1977.
What a remarkable woman.
+William Thompson Surely was amazing woman blessing to Great Britain and the world
I think not my grasp is quite good. Am old enough to live through good part of it. have known other people older than me had real first and life experience. Ibeen a lover of history all my life and I read both sides
JCBAirmaster73
I do believe you the miners and government own business that were not profitable had to be close. The socialist in France and do the same thing with the coal mines. I remember going to London with garbage power mile high. Unions trying to close down the country. Some even calling for the military to have a coup against the government. She saved Great Britain. It would be worse than Greece. She surely was a Prime Minister to be proud of
JCBAirmaster73
haha stop bleating then you just sound like a victim
The only mark she left is in the dirt
This is like conservative Crack Cocaine. I love it!!
Lmao tf
More like libertarian crack cocaine. Conservatism is just as bad as progressivism in it's own right.
Austin Keys-Kallstrom yep
@@akkjuly17 bullshit.
Nah conservative cocaine is just cocaine
THIS WOMAN IS VISIONARY
+JCBAirmaster73 She increased the welfare budget because of her pussy caninet.
JCBAirmaster73 Thats the sad thing though welfare is damaging society, its created this BS class war and because of welfare businesses dont base in our country.
youre right!
I just don't understand how she could be so for working hard and a meritocratic society but see no problem with British society having a head of state, the royal family and a whole class of people, the aristocracy who got to the top only because of birth and not hard work and are supported by the taxpayer to live in the lap of decadent luxury. That is an inherent contradiction but no journalist ever questioned her about it.
+Joshua Taylor how do u know?
A good general principle that emerged from this discussion is this dichotomy: you can either redistribute wealth, OR you can create wealth. Quite simply, the further you pursue a model of redistribution, the more you destroy the incentive to create. Such wonderful insight and excellent discussion, and so conspicuously absent from current political discourse.
what a smart thing to say
She was a true politician and a very cleaver woman. Will we ever see another woman like her again in political life.
*****
do you know the real meaning of feckless?
*****
so which meaning are you using in your comment
thank you for proving how clueless you are, guess that goes with the territory of blind Thatcher love, If you ever manage to have an original, well considered thought of your own on the subject give me a look up and I might have a adult discussion with you, till then bye bye
She sure was a cleaver woman wielding it to wreck trade unions and any rights the working class took hundreds of years to establish.
***** Absolutely TRUE tar man. Thatcher confined socialism largely to the history books and I am afraid she gets hated by those people for doing so. I think history will show Thatcher to be the biggest scapegoat in British history. She gets the b lame for everything from the sinking of the Titanic to the asian Tsunami to hear some people talk. Its nice to come upon people like u who know the truth.
Brilliance on such a level it makes you want to weep.
rudianger123 good bloody god you oughtn't to prostrate yourself before a such an oleaginous power worshipper. She waxes lyrical about some ill defined predicate of 'liberty,' while under her state power wasn't so much reduced as merely transferred to more restrictions on freedom of speech, the right to protest and so on and so forth. How could one expatiate on the virtues of liberties, and a decade later implement the traditionalist gagging order of section 28?
rudianger123
Raegan had Thatcher to help lead the English speaking world though a Golden age. Trump has May.
America, it seems, is now alone.
God bless you, Lady Thatcher ! We need more people like her today . The Iron Lady was a giant in Western political history.
She talked sense! No wonder the left spends so much time trying to discredit her!
Nowadays World needs urgent , people like her !!! I've loved this woman my whole life. What a human being! unforgettable.👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
It’s so easy to see how she was the longest serving leader of the UK! Remarkably intelligent woman! I’m a huge, huge fan!
Intellectual conservatives. What a rare breed.
True
free the rich to collect more money. redistribution of wealth now is Bank gives a loan to average Joe for hyperinflated house, then sells loan to Joe's managers of a pension fund (mixed with bad loans) Banks profit from the sale of loan and insures against the loan (hedging) which they know will fail, then bribe govt to pass laws to allow this. then tell govt that it's all going to fail and you have to bail us out by using Joe's taxes. Both Bankers and Politicans go to whores and have fun and coke .Average Joe loses his pension fund, has a massive debt from the mortgage and tax bill. moral of the story be a whore or drug dealer. they end up with the money both don't pay taxes. Yeah Free market! thanks Maggie xxx
"Consensus moves you further and further to the Left". Sounds about right.
In Poland this thread is still present especially now that the entrance to the European Union. Our country took a lot of socialistic nonsens regulations nad restryctions.
The greatest, most honourable British leader of the last century.
free the rich to collect more money. redistribution of wealth now is Bank gives a loan to average Joe for hyperinflated house, then sells loan to Joe's managers of a pension fund (mixed with bad loans) Banks profit from the sale of loan and insures against the loan (hedging) which they know will fail, then bribe govt to pass laws to allow this. then tell govt that it's all going to fail and you have to bail us out by using Joe's taxes. Both Bankers and Politicans go to whores and have fun and coke .Average Joe loses his pension fund, has a massive debt from the mortgage and tax bill. moral of the story be a whore or drug dealer. they end up with the money both don't pay taxes. Yeah Free market! thanks Maggie xxx
***** exactly
Can't forget Churchill
cough cough macmillan cough cough lloyd george cough cough wilson cough cough attlee
apart from winston churchill
For Christ's sake I love this woman.
"You can have total security with no freedom"
Gillian Anderson had the look and accent but spoke way too slowly as compared to the former PM.
She made her too hunched as well.
Literally her first sentence just within the first 6 seconds i was like "YESSS"
She put Ayn Rands philosophical framework into action.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand
Says so much about the Feminist movement that she’s not an icon of theirs. They are a joke.
Margaret never saw herself as "the first female prime minister" she saw herself as a Prime Minister who happened to be a woman.
Don't ask her about Women's lib.
I’ve been learning more and more about her recently and you’re absolutely right. Says it all, really.
Thatcher is far too alpha for them
Dave M that is why I don’t like Hilarys campaign, it is too first female, and not why she is qualified.
I love this interview with all of my heart
So you're rich
When I recall Meryl Streep's wooden caricature of the Iron Lady, the contrast with the spirited and vivid woman in this video couldn't be greater. All of Hollywood's power to rewrite the stories of Bush, Palin, Thatcher, etc., falls to its knees before the power of a free internet. Let's hope it stays free so people can see the real thing.
"Unless you have freedom of discussion over a whole society you soon cease to have any new ideas. Don't you find that new ideas develop when you talk about them with other people? If you can't discuss them freely because there is a 'correct view', you soon cease to have new ideas." - 3:28
Political correctness in a nutshell
Liberty and freedom allows us to see endless possibilities. Thank you Thatcher for showing us that this is possible in the UK!
Back in the day when we could discuss economics (affects everybody) instead of identity politics
she leans left and he leans right, literally look at their posture
A great Leader Bless you, thank you Baroness for your service to our country RIP you will be always in our memories ans indeed the History of UK.
She got me hooked in the first 59 seconds of the interview. This took place in 1977, but I felt that she was talking about June 1, 2020 in America. I'm going to have to do research on her now.
Had she been wearing a mask, it would totally seem she had resurrected
I had a feeling Gillian Anderson's portrayal as Thatcher was quite forced. Now refamiliarising myself with Thatcher and her delivery I think forced was an understatement.
Watch Meryl Streep in The Iron Lady
@@91clarie Will do.
“Once it becomes a depression on incentive to get by on your own effort…..”. Holy shit!
The west was in great hands during the Reagan/Thatcher era. Dignified, intelligent, competent leadership.
I loved Maggie how i wish we had a leader like her again!!!!
where are the woman like this? i would vote for this over anything we have today..
One of the best post-2nd world-war statesmen who uttered every word emanating from the bottom of her heart, Margaret Thatcher should be the role model before every politician in the world, nay,the politicians in the Indian Sub-Continent!In my life-time,seldom have I seen a second self of Margaret Thatcher-a person, gifted with the hardly-founded merits,say,truthfulness,patriotism, far-sighted prudence, a great analytical ability,a great compassion for all, an encyclopedic knowledge and above all, diplomatic skill!The multifarious problem-ridden and strife-torn world of ours is in a crying-need of the likes of this statesman!
NEVER NEVER GETS OLD it just matures and becomes more and more relevant to our lives OUTSTANDING!
11:13
"I know you're getting very irritated but just wait one moment..."
Oh, the class.
"You (the Americans) have two parties based on a free society..." Not anymore, Mrs. Thatcher. Not anymore!
This 'interviewer' is one of the most important forces in American political thought in the last half of the 20th century.
I live in the terminally socialist Belgium and this is so inspiring
Third world Belgium now...
12:08 "As a matter of fact, it happens to be narrower than in Soviet Russia"
lol cheeky stab
this woman was a queen
she articulated her arguments perfectly and dealt with injustice better than any politician before or since
and im republican Irish
What a character and a brain! She talked like a philosopher yet with her eyes firmly fixed on the issues of the day yet with thoughts way surpassing her time... If she wasn't a politician, she would rightly claim a prominent spot in the realm of pure thinking
She was educated in Oxford and had a very strict upbringing especially towards money.
"The hard way is tough by definition." @9:48
Coming from Portsmouth, a military industry city funded by state defence spending, in the 1980s I hated her and danced when Mr Heseltine got so many votes against her as I know she was finished. But I and we on the left were wrong and she was right. Everything she says here is true. Wealth redistribution is like a game of pass the parcel with everyone sitting on their arse and the parcel (of wealth) getting smaller and smaller as it goes around. God bless Margaret Thatcher and may the Lord have mercy on Edward Heath and Europhile pals who conspired against her over the coming Maastricht treaty. She would never have agreed to it.
Indeed; she even stated that the problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Will we ever get back to this kind of interview.
What passes for intellectuals today misses the mark. These are two intellectuals right here.
Well one, Thatcher.
she right about everything!
- Freedom of economic activity creates wealth (doesn't just redistribute existing wealth)
- New ideas flourish in a completely open society
- Comprise and consensus means being half right and half wrong (not fully right)
- liberty vs. being told what to do (for the sake of security)
- excessive taxation stifling drive (why work hard when 50% of your pay check goes to the government)
- wealth creators vs workers
Being brought up in England from a working family, I never knew how smart and right M. Thatcher and genuinely honest she was; I wish she was still our Prime minister today. Years of brain washing and indoctrination into labourite socialism has ruined my life. Socialism in my country continues to do so today. Corbyn and the Labour Party want more socialism for the UK and it means a lot of misery for all. Life is suffering but we needn't make more of it for ourselves!
What an incredible lady!
that's the best 15 min video I've watched. I wish many interviews w/ politicians could go similar to that.
Just like the fact she can say a full sentence without tripping over her words.
Good ole Maggie.. Red pilled before red pills were being handed out.
Wow! Margaret's articulation of a business owner's demise and grievances is wrapped in perfection. It is not easy to build a business let alone pushing it to profitability. It is a huge responsibility and oftentimes takes a lot of sweat and tears. I've never heard anyone put the point across as easily and cleverly than Margaret has ever done!
When I was a kid in England, I had no idea that she invented a way to ake ice cream. If I had known that, I would have worked harder in chemistry class. Thatcher was an unusual candidate; she'd actually had a real job.
What an absolute star, shame she is no longer with us! 🤔😎
The irony of Thatcher’s idea is that an interview like this would never be shown on television today, such is the way in which an unregulated market has distorted our media.
While it has been turbulent, her ideas, which arent hers, are actually coming through the market. So it isnt ironic at all because there's no irony.
You do get interviews like this, just not on tv channels. You have to go to TH-cam now
@@alecneate76 Exactly. TH-cam is a product of a free society.
Our market isnt unregulated. We are in an age of corporate fascism now. The last example of an unregulated market was late 1800's USA.
It saddens me slightly when I watch this. A recent YouGov poll suggested that the British public were more in favour of socialism than capitalism. I don't hear any loud defence of capitalism and the free market. I don't like the direction our country is going and it saddens me that despite the economic prosperity of the capitalist-dominated United States, we continue to defend a socialist ideal that has never worked in the real world.
yougov is a liberal lying poll.
Both are not humanist. We deserve better beyond these old systems and labels. Freedom, trade, caring for community but not coddled. Options, choices, health and prosperity and sharing. A new way of existing. No more politics and control.
Because capitalism nowadays means socialism for the rich/companies and capitalism for the poor.
Let me also ask you this: guaranteeing that there is a certain amount of ICU beds in the country and strategic stockpiles of masks/material, is this capitalism? The state would need to plan this from a central point, so surely it is not capitalism, yet it would be highly advantageous.
Externalities are not internalized without government interference (lack of preparation for low chance high-risk events, environmental damage, etc). It doesn't mean you need the state to take complete control of this, but you definitely need the state to change the incentives of companies.
This yougov poll just shows people want to move more -towards- socialism, because it makes more sense to have intervention to a certain degree.
@@mouzurX If it's the NHS, of course it's not capitalism. The US has one of the most privately run healthcare systems in the world and, for all it's faults, they had way more than an adequate amount of PPE and ICU beds. In a time of crisis though, like the one we're in, of course there will be more central coordination. But that lack of central coordination has not hurt the US response at all in terms of PPE or ICU beds. I would just be careful comparing this time with normal times. In normal times, you would expect the gov to prepare. During a crises, you would expect government to take a more central role in all of our lives. We really are the ungrateful generation. Think of what we have. We look at luxuries as necessities. In the entire world history of planet earth, most of us are now in the top 0.001% of people that have ever lived. That's thanks to technology, driven, for the most part, by capitalism. I believe the state is good at sowing the seeds of technology. Think of the public money that went into the internet or smartphones for example. There are no doubt technologies state funded, right now, that wouldn't have been funded by the private sector. So the state can sow the seeds of technology and innovation. But once it reaches a certain point, you've got to let it go. I think that's where capitalism really wins. Microsoft and Apple wouldn't be around if it wasn't thanks to state-funded tech. But if neither were around, the state of tech would be nowhere near the level it's at. It's about sensible balance. That's where I draw the line. I think, in the UK in particular, we have taken the state past the point of efficacy. Which is why I think people don't get what capitalism really is. I'm not talking about an ultra free-market, no regulation, no law environment. That's not capitalism in my eyes, that's anarchy. Good capitalism requires laws and governments. Property law is a foundation of capitalism. That needs a state and a judiciary to function. But that's what we have right now and we have it good. We live in a capitalist society and life, on a whole, is great, for the vast, vast majority. Most of the flaws are with public, not private institutions, because, at least in the case of the latter, we have choice. And competition really is the catalyst for societal improvement. Flipping society on its head? Becoming a socialist society? Britain tried that in the 70s and we've forgotten what it was like. Or, unfortunately if you are young, you aren't really taught what it was like.
@@mouzurX "Responsible Socialism" I'm not against business making huge profits at all, but the redistribution of wealth needs to be fairer. It's a sad day when you work hard as an employee and you don't get enough pay to save to buy your own house because the company you work is paying you a low wage. People will cry oh just go and get another better paying job. If it were that simple everyone would be doing it and we wouldn't have the significant financial inequality that we have now.
This conversation is so dense I had to listen to it a few times to understand what they said. I can't imagine a conversation like this on 60 minutes nowadays. Were Thatcher and Buckley exceptional for their time or has public discourse degraded?
Voted against Thatcher every time. All these years later, I think she spoke a lot of sense.
She was a superior intellect. The UK was so fortune to have had her as a leader. We had Reagan. What a combination.
Reagan didn't have half of her intelligence. He had great carisma, but Thatcher had great intelligence
Great interview, and a great contrast to Cameron who is a consensus man with no direction.
She's before my time but shit, now I know why she was so treasured. She would whip Britain's ass right now for what the current government is doing.
She impresses me by how quick and precise she can talk on this stuff, and does it in style she knows it that well!
I also got the feeling these two needed to get a room!! :D