Since recording we have found our version of the M3 Deflector in the book "Weapon Mounts for Secondary Armament" (1957, pp. 978-9). This version is pictured on page 979 installed in the M41 tank and is a reinforced version of the one tested in 1945. The large knurled ring is the main means of reinforcement and the steel rod on a chain is indeed merely for tightening and loosening the gun in the mount.
I just wanna give the cinematographer my utmost compliments - they're doing a stellar job with the lighting, focus and aperture values, everything is so crisp and well filmed!
The infinity sight is basically a single plane red dot sight. Interesting item, easily produced with layers of polarized glass set at particular orientations to each other.
The interference of the polarized glass layers create the opaque portions. A crude (by today's standards) but workable sighting solution for such close range. I wish I could remember the other examples of this type of inexpensive sight, it was first used in WWI I believe. Edit: Ah-ha! Take a look at the Mark III Free Gun Reflector Sight for a similar solution.
Fun fact: on monochrome film pale yellow appears as a 'brighter' white than things that are actually white. This is how they made soap powder commercials before colour TV. On a b&w TV when comparing white garments washed in the "new, improved" powder with those washed in the "old" powder, the brighter white garments were actually yellow.
Interesting. B&W makeup is totally bonkers to look at in colour btw. But a lot of stuff inside tanks is painted white, pale green or pale yellow to better reflect light. Exactly wich colour depends on period and army.
Just to say, red turns out black in B&W photography. Using a red filter on the (film) camera gives clouds a really black dramatic effect. But I digress
@@cmck472 Close, but no cigar for you. In monochrome photography a red filter will darken a blue sky thus making cloudscapes more dramatic. The final image depends greatly on the type of film used, how it is developed, and the paper it is printed on. YMMV. There's a lot more to B&W film photography than many people realise.
My father served in Korea and used both the BAR and the Grease Gun. Of the Grease Gun, he said he could shoot groups on full auto of about 'helmet size' at 100 yards. He also stated, and it's pertinent to this device, that you could see the strikes of the bullets very well and 'walk' your fire onto a target by the third or fourth round. Shouldering the Grease Gun was counterproductive, in his opinion, and you should lay the gun flat on the left side over the top of the trench or foxhole and walk your fire onto the target. The .30 carbine was garbage for this as it was much harder to see the impacts.
During the M16-A2 testing military times showed optical sight with remote eyepiece, it was like 2 ft cable. It was part of 386 computer integrated into utility belt and protective glasses with projection to lens. Before future warrior project.
I had 70 M3A1 submachine guns in my arms room for two or three years, took out for firing once and issued to the personal security detachment. No spring fractures, so this is a negative--didn't see any broken guns in late 1990's. During the late 1980's there were several M3A1's in our arms room and a few officers tried them out instead of lugging along M16A2's, but the M3A1 was significantly heavier.
My fixed vs free guess is based on the photos shown. Fixed is bolted to the periscope where free is where the periscope is yanked out and the barrel stuck out the resulting hole. Periscopes were made to be quick swappable in case of damage.
That would be the first thing thing they think to use. "Ahh we gotta mount something to something, hmmmmm what on earth could we possibly use 'stares at all collets and spindles' 'sarcastically' nope can't be done"
I saw an Israeli munitions product where they took a pistol and they put it on a Frame that would swivel around and bend around corners then of course they had electronics for a site that you could use transmit back the image from a site on the handgun. This allowed you to shoot around corners safely using the corner as a cover. Probably the more effective means if you’re going to have a Fire provides shooting around corners
The Soviet Union also worked on curved-barrel weapons. Even a modification of the Goryunov machine gun with a curved barrel was adopted. There was also an experimental version of the RPK for armored vehicles. Even a casemate mortar.
For one-offs, prototypes, and experiments; material choice is often driven by, "I think I have an offcut of something that'll do knocking around in the workshop somewhere..."
Well, that was an easy guess! 1:10 At least the Soviets based their developments upon the final version of the Krummlauf - and also worked with a boat-tail spitzer bullet (and even armour-piercing one at that), unlike the German 7.92×33. This by contrast looks like a very crude attempt, especially with this monkeybar colour scheme and almost right-angle bend. 6:06 'Infinity sight' is certainly a term I've heard before, and these are still made (e.g., by people like Seiler) and used. 17:20 ...As opposed to 5 such boards with a normal barrel shooting straight. 19:16 On a more serious note there was, as I've mentioned above, a version for the SG-43 (or maybe SGM) to be used in bunkers, as well as some experiments with RPK and/or AK, I believe. Thanks for including the original documents, it's always good to see primary sources first hand, so to speak.
The righ angle bend was for close defence of armored vehicles from the turret. Wich according to what Ian (forgotten weapons) said was the more succesfull use case. The infantry version seems to have been usefull but only in trench warfare and i can only imagine the soldiers would have a tendency to "loose" the expensive piece of metal once on the march again. Even for corner clearing lobbing a grenade around the corner should be about as effective and less junk to carry around
@@borjesvensson8661 What I meant by 'almost right-angle bend' was the steep rate of turn in this thing, which seems to me unnecessary in the vehicular application, where weight is of no practical concern. For an infantry application this thing seems to be way too bulky & heavy.
I'd love to see a slow motion of the bullet leaving the.. gutter. I suspect it won't be all that tumbly. Just thinking out loud here. It's going to come out the rifled part spinning quite fast, physics would suggest that it will keep spinning; it's only going to shed that momentum through friction, and at those speeds there isn't enough time to lose much RPM.
I'd love to see some slow motion. I wonder if the distortion when it's squashed into the bend might disrupt its spin to some degree. But also it's now got a rotation around its lateral axis; the curve will (try to) give it an end over end rotation. If it's still got a lot of spin, gyro forces will reduce this, but it's going to get some gyroscopic precession too (wobbling). The quoted accuracy is surprisingly good considering all this going on.
The M3 and M3A1 cyclic rate is between 350 and 450 rpm. tapping off single shots and two-shot bursts was easy. A longer five-shot burst stayed on target at 35 meters--since it was familiarization shooting, I didn't get precise down-range feedback.
Speaking of the Cornershot, I have seen a photo of a vaguely similar concept done by the Russians, where a 'Makarov' PB6 pistol, the one with the integrated suppressor, has a little digital camera lens mounted to it, then a ribbon cable running from that, up the shooters arm, and to a headset display he's wearing. Having your arm exposed like that is less ideal, but with the PB6 this would not be a frontline combat weapon or for vehicle crew, rather this setup is most likely intended for sneaky scout units and outright wetwork, and at somewhat close ranges.
I think I've seen footage from the Ukrainian war where a soldier used the feed from a drone perched on a trench berm to correct his otherwise blind gunfire, so the concept of a separate digital camera might not be terribly stupid. Whether you really want to stick your wrist out around the corner even in covert ops is an entirely different question.
I hate to break it to you, but as far as I'm aware, there's no such thing as PB6 (just like there's no BG15), only PB. Besides, I would also like to know how the camera is mounted to the pistol, it doesn't have any rails or other such mounting surfaces. The setup you're describing sounds very much like a couple of Russian patents, most notably RU 2403527 C1.
My immediate spot in those Ministry documents, is that in 1951 The Ministry of Supply was still in occupation of the beautiful Adelphi Theatre. There's an interesting story in there somewhere.
Yellow is the colour of Blank Firing Adapters, so you notice it is there. Same reason here, although it would be less likely that you would miss the muzzle attachment in this case :).
I wonder if it's for attacking a bunker window or opening, an entrenched machine gun position from out of sight or prone. I know Demolition Ranch made a video using this concept. I also wonder if the broken piece retained that rod of a wrench.
The "infinity sight" sounds like some kind of reflector sight, given the "infinity" name as the dot on red dots and reflector sights are technically at infinity, which is why they have negligible parallax.
There was an old Marvel comic book where a SHIELD trooper had a weapon designed for shooting around corners. Instead of a regular firearm it was a recoilless rifle with the chamber and barrel was 90 degrees from the firing controls so you could stick the thing around the corner and fire the shell. It even had a mirror sight thing on it so the shooter could aim in the for what it’s worth department. I wonder if something like that was ever tried in real life?
Bad news for anyone who used it. A grease gun will barely fire vertically. It dang near stops. A little side note. My dad was issued an M3 in Korea during the war and I was issued one in the late 80's!
Have to say it, those Pins and Key chains are fantastic for the holidays.... a tad bit cooler than Wedgewood plates. There's a mash up waiting to happen, baby browning Wedgewood Boxes....
@rvanhees89 My grandmother used to collect Wedgewood and Royal Dolton figures... Our generation should be able to appreciate quality craftsmanship. I won't grumble too much, Big Mouth Billy Bass singing fish are now worth a full Nelson... perhaps Wedgewood is next
Methinks musket balls would have an easier time with this type of tool. "Send them a roller!" Also useful on 'handed' dueling pistols for people who can't stand the sight of each other? : )
Did anyone back then try getting that "shoot around cover" effect by reconfiguring the grip/stock instead of the barrel? Modifying a firearm to mate with a Corner Shot-esque chassis just seems like a far saner, easier, and more effective approach than a curved barrel, and given how many nations gave the Krummlauf a go, it seems odd that they wouldn't have given that a go, too.
I have already thought of a few ways to feed a tube mag of a shotgun that would have the rest of the weapon completely outside of the tank. Why didn't they just do that instead? As for the direction the end should be pointing for the infantry version, the answer is obvious: up. Think about it and get back to me, you're going to realize up is the only direction that makes any sense at all.
I can think of a couple of reasons why this device was not adopted for use on tanks. Firstly, there's not much room in a turret! Having an M3 hanging from any periscope (even temporarily) would get in the way. Secondly, tanks are not supposed to operate without infantry support in combat. If enemy soldiers are clambering around on top of your tank, your own infantry or even another tank can "delouse" you with a machinegun. Also, pistol ports exist.
this is completely off topic but is there any way to get Jonathan to react to any of the videos in the "Everything WRONG With The Guns In" series on TH-cam? I know this channel is absolutely not the place for such a video but i have no idea how to ask him so i thought asking here was a good way to possibly get him to see my question 😅
An author by the name of Colby in the 1950s or early 60s had a series of books showing US Army weapons and I remember he had several photos of a US soldier with an M3 grease gun with a much shorter curved barrel. 11 commercial ads to get through this video. Too many for sure.
It's the gutter version of the german krummlauf, but like most german weapons, that thing was way too complicated for the average infantry man. All those delicate mirrors would get filthy in the field. So like America has been doing for decades, we looked at the fancy shit the germans came up with and said "great, now make that in a version that we can mass produce in an existing factory with a completely untrained workforce cause we need to put 300,000 of these into the hands of farm kids who've never seen combat and who'll be living in a dirt hole for the next year. Oh and we need the entire assembly line and first 100k in the next three months. And you have to do it with supply shortages cause literally everyone else wants the resources you're going to need to make these." The fancy kraut space magic weapons might perform better and look awesome, but that shit is more or less artisanal and handcrafted, doomed to be neat historical footnotes because there's no way it can be reasonably mass deployed and used. The HK submission to the next gen rifle program they had in the 90s is a great example. That thing was like a swiss watch on the inside, literally clockwork shit. You need a cleanroom to do maintenance on those things, it was totally impractical to use for infantry in the field. The solution of course in the 90s was the acog, just slapping a scope on the rifle. KISS: Keep it simple, stupid.
This is a stupid question, but... does anyone else work there? These videos make it feel like it's just you, bucket loads of guns... and presumably an armed perimeter. Do they let you leave?
the side shooting stg44 and the grease gun thing were probably the dumbest weapon developments ever created, and yes i know they thought it would save lives but it just doesnt work and isnt practical
Since recording we have found our version of the M3 Deflector in the book "Weapon Mounts for Secondary Armament" (1957, pp. 978-9). This version is pictured on page 979 installed in the M41 tank and is a reinforced version of the one tested in 1945. The large knurled ring is the main means of reinforcement and the steel rod on a chain is indeed merely for tightening and loosening the gun in the mount.
I just wanna give the cinematographer my utmost compliments - they're doing a stellar job with the lighting, focus and aperture values, everything is so crisp and well filmed!
Hear hear
It's quite good - since Jonathan found the lightswitch😁
The infinity sight is basically a single plane red dot sight. Interesting item, easily produced with layers of polarized glass set at particular orientations to each other.
It was the coloured rings reticle/graticule in particular that I struggled to picture.
Thanos will be disappointed
The interference of the polarized glass layers create the opaque portions. A crude (by today's standards) but workable sighting solution for such close range.
I wish I could remember the other examples of this type of inexpensive sight, it was first used in WWI I believe.
Edit: Ah-ha! Take a look at the Mark III Free Gun Reflector Sight for a similar solution.
Jonathan I worked at a machine gun rental range in Las Vegas the M3 SMG we used never broke the barrel spring but we burned out about 12 barrels
Just speculation , maybe the yellow paint was for contrast during test firing when filming, on old black & white film
Fun fact: on monochrome film pale yellow appears as a 'brighter' white than things that are actually white.
This is how they made soap powder commercials before colour TV. On a b&w TV when comparing white garments washed in the "new, improved" powder with those washed in the "old" powder, the brighter white garments were actually yellow.
Interesting. B&W makeup is totally bonkers to look at in colour btw.
But a lot of stuff inside tanks is painted white, pale green or pale yellow to better reflect light. Exactly wich colour depends on period and army.
Also why telecasters were “tv yellow”
BSA scrambles motorcycles had a yellow tank to show up better on b&w television.
Just to say, red turns out black in B&W photography. Using a red filter on the (film) camera gives clouds a really black dramatic effect. But I digress
@@cmck472 Close, but no cigar for you.
In monochrome photography a red filter will darken a blue sky thus making cloudscapes more dramatic. The final image depends greatly on the type of film used, how it is developed, and the paper it is printed on. YMMV.
There's a lot more to B&W film photography than many people realise.
My father served in Korea and used both the BAR and the Grease Gun. Of the Grease Gun, he said he could shoot groups on full auto of about 'helmet size' at 100 yards. He also stated, and it's pertinent to this device, that you could see the strikes of the bullets very well and 'walk' your fire onto a target by the third or fourth round. Shouldering the Grease Gun was counterproductive, in his opinion, and you should lay the gun flat on the left side over the top of the trench or foxhole and walk your fire onto the target. The .30 carbine was garbage for this as it was much harder to see the impacts.
During the M16-A2 testing military times showed optical sight with remote eyepiece, it was like 2 ft cable. It was part of 386 computer integrated into utility belt and protective glasses with projection to lens. Before future warrior project.
Is that a cartoon version of Jonathan on the "Bay 80" sign?
Maybe...
Clearly it’s where Jonathan Ferguson Keeper of Firearms and Artillery is tagged and stored, you can’t hide it from me, Royal Armories
I had 70 M3A1 submachine guns in my arms room for two or three years, took out for firing once and issued to the personal security detachment. No spring fractures, so this is a negative--didn't see any broken guns in late 1990's. During the late 1980's there were several M3A1's in our arms room and a few officers tried them out instead of lugging along M16A2's, but the M3A1 was significantly heavier.
Fascinating stuff! Here's me thinking the yellow paintjob meant it was a climbing tool
Really cool video! I love the weird experimentation that went on with firearms during the early-mid 20th century.
The editors are cooking lately
My fixed vs free guess is based on the photos shown. Fixed is bolted to the periscope where free is where the periscope is yanked out and the barrel stuck out the resulting hole. Periscopes were made to be quick swappable in case of damage.
The slots cut into a circular holder is called a "Collette"
'Collet' in England.
The collet mount is very interesting. A true machinist must have been consulted.
That would be the first thing thing they think to use. "Ahh we gotta mount something to something, hmmmmm what on earth could we possibly use 'stares at all collets and spindles' 'sarcastically' nope can't be done"
I saw an Israeli munitions product where they took a pistol and they put it on a Frame that would swivel around and bend around corners then of course they had electronics for a site that you could use transmit back the image from a site on the handgun. This allowed you to shoot around corners safely using the corner as a cover.
Probably the more effective means if you’re going to have a Fire provides shooting around corners
The Soviet Union also worked on curved-barrel weapons. Even a modification of the Goryunov machine gun with a curved barrel was adopted. There was also an experimental version of the RPK for armored vehicles. Even a casemate mortar.
The first meme gun. Banana barrel that’s why it’s yellow 😂
4:26 Where's the chieftain when you need him? 😊
And as if by magic...
Made by ACME?
The attachment is a common collet arrangement that ensures it's concentric with the barrel
Quite an extravagant use of bronze. I wonder what informed the choice?
For one-offs, prototypes, and experiments; material choice is often driven by, "I think I have an offcut of something that'll do knocking around in the workshop somewhere..."
Thats like the paintball gun i gave my dad. He couldn't shoot someone straight 2" feet ahead of him.
did it have one of those old backspin barrels on it?
Well, that was an easy guess!
1:10 At least the Soviets based their developments upon the final version of the Krummlauf - and also worked with a boat-tail spitzer bullet (and even armour-piercing one at that), unlike the German 7.92×33. This by contrast looks like a very crude attempt, especially with this monkeybar colour scheme and almost right-angle bend.
6:06 'Infinity sight' is certainly a term I've heard before, and these are still made (e.g., by people like Seiler) and used.
17:20 ...As opposed to 5 such boards with a normal barrel shooting straight.
19:16 On a more serious note there was, as I've mentioned above, a version for the SG-43 (or maybe SGM) to be used in bunkers, as well as some experiments with RPK and/or AK, I believe.
Thanks for including the original documents, it's always good to see primary sources first hand, so to speak.
The righ angle bend was for close defence of armored vehicles from the turret. Wich according to what Ian (forgotten weapons) said was the more succesfull use case.
The infantry version seems to have been usefull but only in trench warfare and i can only imagine the soldiers would have a tendency to "loose" the expensive piece of metal once on the march again. Even for corner clearing lobbing a grenade around the corner should be about as effective and less junk to carry around
@@borjesvensson8661 What I meant by 'almost right-angle bend' was the steep rate of turn in this thing, which seems to me unnecessary in the vehicular application, where weight is of no practical concern. For an infantry application this thing seems to be way too bulky & heavy.
Speaking as a tanker, a lot easier to have your wingman delouse the area with his coax to take care of close in infantry
I wonder if this weapon (barrel extender) was supposed to counter the use of the RPG-43 anti tank grenade by the Chinese in the Korean war?
I'd love to see a slow motion of the bullet leaving the.. gutter. I suspect it won't be all that tumbly. Just thinking out loud here. It's going to come out the rifled part spinning quite fast, physics would suggest that it will keep spinning; it's only going to shed that momentum through friction, and at those speeds there isn't enough time to lose much RPM.
I'd love to see some slow motion. I wonder if the distortion when it's squashed into the bend might disrupt its spin to some degree. But also it's now got a rotation around its lateral axis; the curve will (try to) give it an end over end rotation. If it's still got a lot of spin, gyro forces will reduce this, but it's going to get some gyroscopic precession too (wobbling). The quoted accuracy is surprisingly good considering all this going on.
Theres enough time and force to deform the bullet, of course its going to slow down
The M3 and M3A1 cyclic rate is between 350 and 450 rpm.
tapping off single shots and two-shot bursts was easy. A longer five-shot burst stayed on target at 35 meters--since it was familiarization shooting, I didn't get precise down-range feedback.
Speaking of the Cornershot, I have seen a photo of a vaguely similar concept done by the Russians, where a 'Makarov' PB6 pistol, the one with the integrated suppressor, has a little digital camera lens mounted to it, then a ribbon cable running from that, up the shooters arm, and to a headset display he's wearing.
Having your arm exposed like that is less ideal, but with the PB6 this would not be a frontline combat weapon or for vehicle crew, rather this setup is most likely intended for sneaky scout units and outright wetwork, and at somewhat close ranges.
I think I've seen footage from the Ukrainian war where a soldier used the feed from a drone perched on a trench berm to correct his otherwise blind gunfire, so the concept of a separate digital camera might not be terribly stupid. Whether you really want to stick your wrist out around the corner even in covert ops is an entirely different question.
@@hammerth1421 I'm telling ya, there are gonna be a lot of Russian and Ukrainian veterans who's PTSD trigger will be the sound of a drone.
I hate to break it to you, but as far as I'm aware, there's no such thing as PB6 (just like there's no BG15), only PB. Besides, I would also like to know how the camera is mounted to the pistol, it doesn't have any rails or other such mounting surfaces. The setup you're describing sounds very much like a couple of Russian patents, most notably RU 2403527 C1.
My immediate spot in those Ministry documents, is that in 1951 The Ministry of Supply was still in occupation of the beautiful Adelphi Theatre. There's an interesting story in there somewhere.
Very cool video on a niche piece of history. Do you happen to know what metal/alloy the M3 Deflector is made of? (Big fan by the way
From Jonathan: "SAE 1020 steel tube, 1.25" outer diameter, 25" long"
Thanks Jonathan! @@RoyalArmouriesMuseum
Yellow is the colour of Blank Firing Adapters, so you notice it is there. Same reason here, although it would be less likely that you would miss the muzzle attachment in this case :).
It shoots round corners, but does it go to 11?
4:31 well it looks like an opportunity for a collab between my two favorite museums/YT channels in UK
I wonder if it's for attacking a bunker window or opening, an entrenched machine gun position from out of sight or prone. I know Demolition Ranch made a video using this concept. I also wonder if the broken piece retained that rod of a wrench.
The "infinity sight" sounds like some kind of reflector sight, given the "infinity" name as the dot on red dots and reflector sights are technically at infinity, which is why they have negligible parallax.
For a close range weapon those groupings are perfectly adequate.
looks much like a case of "the standard use of this weapon is to disassemble it and trrow it after the enemy"
I have never seen a round corner before, but if I do, I'll make sure to warn it about this gun.
Welds to the bracket look very nicely done and clean but the top one are pretty bubbly not as clean, I wonder if that tells anyone something.
That sight sounds like the focusing reticule in 35mm SLR cameras.
I would love to hear your thoughts on the 44 magnum auto mag
I didn't realise it was bright yellow!
There was an old Marvel comic book where a SHIELD trooper had a weapon designed for shooting around corners. Instead of a regular firearm it was a recoilless rifle with the chamber and barrel was 90 degrees from the firing controls so you could stick the thing around the corner and fire the shell. It even had a mirror sight thing on it so the shooter could aim in the for what it’s worth department. I wonder if something like that was ever tried in real life?
There’s such a thing made by using a holder and strapping a pistol to it so the pistol is around the corner and you can use a mirror to shoot
Never noticed that jonathan has a casio calculator for a watch
Yes
If I had to shoot straight ahead, would I just hold it upwards?
Cool video
I guess you could call remote controlled weapon stations the modern version of this
Called it, detachable bendy bits.
Bad news for anyone who used it. A grease gun will barely fire vertically. It dang near stops. A little side note. My dad was issued an M3 in Korea during the war and I was issued one in the late 80's!
Have to say it, those Pins and Key chains are fantastic for the holidays.... a tad bit cooler than Wedgewood plates. There's a mash up waiting to happen, baby browning Wedgewood Boxes....
Hmmmm Wedgewood Porcelain🤤
@rvanhees89 My grandmother used to collect Wedgewood and Royal Dolton figures... Our generation should be able to appreciate quality craftsmanship. I won't grumble too much, Big Mouth Billy Bass singing fish are now worth a full Nelson... perhaps Wedgewood is next
Unbelievable
Methinks musket balls would have an easier time with this type of tool. "Send them a roller!"
Also useful on 'handed' dueling pistols for people who can't stand the sight of each other? : )
I didn't expect it to be so... yellow.
Barrel attached like a power drill clamps down on a bit.😮
I have owned a M3 with broken barrel locking spring, and have seen 2 others. I think that was a normal problem.
Did anyone back then try getting that "shoot around cover" effect by reconfiguring the grip/stock instead of the barrel? Modifying a firearm to mate with a Corner Shot-esque chassis just seems like a far saner, easier, and more effective approach than a curved barrel, and given how many nations gave the Krummlauf a go, it seems odd that they wouldn't have given that a go, too.
Oooooh this must be the gun Ubisoft uses to release games with. Everything makes sense now
That's a damned crazy weapon! Find another volunteer to fire that.
The Mythbusters did an episode on curved-barrel firearms,
Imagine how nervous the first person to fire this was 😂
In Muricanese, we refer to that concept as accuracy, vie volume. Lol. 17:27
considering it's a relatively crazy subject you're allowed some Groan quality references
I heard Benny Hill yakety sax automatically starts playing, as soon as you pull the trigger on this.
I have already thought of a few ways to feed a tube mag of a shotgun that would have the rest of the weapon completely outside of the tank. Why didn't they just do that instead?
As for the direction the end should be pointing for the infantry version, the answer is obvious: up. Think about it and get back to me, you're going to realize up is the only direction that makes any sense at all.
The ppsh looks so sad 💔
I can think of a couple of reasons why this device was not adopted for use on tanks.
Firstly, there's not much room in a turret! Having an M3 hanging from any periscope (even temporarily) would get in the way.
Secondly, tanks are not supposed to operate without infantry support in combat. If enemy soldiers are clambering around on top of your tank, your own infantry or even another tank can "delouse" you with a machinegun.
Also, pistol ports exist.
It wouldn't be the first solution looking for a problem.
this is completely off topic but is there any way to get Jonathan to react to any of the videos in the "Everything WRONG With The Guns In" series on TH-cam? I know this channel is absolutely not the place for such a video but i have no idea how to ask him so i thought asking here was a good way to possibly get him to see my question 😅
Very interesting. I don't suppose being hit by a straight bullet or tumbling bullet at close range really mattered to the folk being shot at.
to complete thus section do you have an Israeli 'corner shot' in the collection ?
An author by the name of Colby in the 1950s or early 60s had a series of books showing US Army weapons and I remember he had several photos of a US soldier with an M3 grease gun with a much shorter curved barrel.
11 commercial ads to get through this video. Too many for sure.
That clip from Wanted... oof. It's a 15 second clip with as many cuts in it.
That M3 doesn't look all that excited to see you
"The only system to corner the market". Jonathan, NO!
Puns like that, make you proud to be British!
Goodness man! You could have given some more warning before cranking it on camera!
If you've got infantry that close to you it's game over. They can hide in your blindspots.
Little did they know, 70 years later we'd have the cornershot. That no one uses because it's still so janky 😂.
Looks like a greasegun fell of a jeep and collided with a safety railing
@MrHewes would probably like this.
I want a bendy barrelled PPsh now
Just saying
360 with scope
It's really cute, but nobody makes a concealment (or open carry, even) holster for it! 😁
Ring ring ring ring ring ring banana gun 🍌🔫
Ding dong ding dong ding dong ding, banana guuuuuuun
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine 🤗
The obligatory "It shoots a projectile, therefore it's a gun". 😂
Looks like something from a cartoon.
ACME: MK-I Arid Ambush Device, for coyotes to shoot at road runners from behind cactus.
@@Manco65 And we know how that's going to end, with the coyote somehow getting a round to the face...
@@Manco65Before catching a flying anvil with his head, perhaps?
I've seen enough, ship this to the marines in bulk.
It's a showwer, not a grower
It's the gutter version of the german krummlauf, but like most german weapons, that thing was way too complicated for the average infantry man. All those delicate mirrors would get filthy in the field. So like America has been doing for decades, we looked at the fancy shit the germans came up with and said "great, now make that in a version that we can mass produce in an existing factory with a completely untrained workforce cause we need to put 300,000 of these into the hands of farm kids who've never seen combat and who'll be living in a dirt hole for the next year. Oh and we need the entire assembly line and first 100k in the next three months. And you have to do it with supply shortages cause literally everyone else wants the resources you're going to need to make these."
The fancy kraut space magic weapons might perform better and look awesome, but that shit is more or less artisanal and handcrafted, doomed to be neat historical footnotes because there's no way it can be reasonably mass deployed and used. The HK submission to the next gen rifle program they had in the 90s is a great example. That thing was like a swiss watch on the inside, literally clockwork shit. You need a cleanroom to do maintenance on those things, it was totally impractical to use for infantry in the field. The solution of course in the 90s was the acog, just slapping a scope on the rifle.
KISS: Keep it simple, stupid.
What a great guy with lots of great information, but his pauses when speaking drive me nuts!!!!
ahhh yes, the old greasy banana, classic
This is a stupid question, but... does anyone else work there? These videos make it feel like it's just you, bucket loads of guns... and presumably an armed perimeter. Do they let you leave?
Take a gander at Up In Arms if you want to see more of the Royal Armouries Cinematic Universe ;)
This is all just filmed in Jonathans man cave
Look at some of the other videos.
I notice that though it aas pojnted out there are other staff, no one admitted to letting Jonathan leave... 😮
@@myparceltape1169 I only ever seem to get Jonathan's on my feed.
For the YT algorithm
But does it fry eggs?
A collet machined in as a mounting system??? wow. that wouldn't seem like a very reliable system.
the side shooting stg44 and the grease gun thing were probably the dumbest weapon developments ever created, and yes i know they thought it would save lives but it just doesnt work and isnt practical
Anyone ever done that with a shotgun?
So Jonathan is selling charms now? Dave really has corrupted him, lol
The M3 is straight forward. The barrel attachment is not
Just use handgrenades
"big bronze nuts" you say?