Beyond incredible victory for Marquez, on a clear inferior bike to the GP24. That was such a special performance. So unlucky at the start with the tear off going under his tyre, dropped back, and came back to win again. Marc on the latest GP25 next year dominates, no doubt. The fastest ever, the best ever, the GOAT! #MM93
Never been an MM93 fan, but after the summer break I realized Marc was riding 'like he used to' - owning that Ducati. I swear I heard Jaws music, and really believe he can pull off another late-career title in 2025.
As you mention, this new generation haven't seen MM at his best till this year and they are worried already. JM knows this year is his last chance. PB has VR in his ear all the time, hence keep saying how MM won't get in his head...even though MM hasn't said anything. I think JM is gifted but so many of this statements and mistakes give you an indication as to why Ducati have rejected him twice. In the words of Frankie, they have no idea what they are in for next season. And finally, If it wasn't for MM, many of these races would be dull without him (wouldn't surprise me that he has made more overtakes than everyone else put together)
Ducati simply has (had?) so many strong riders available for next year they could be picky. Martin may be the fastest rider at the moment, but as a total package was he preferred to Pecco or Marquez? Tough decision for Gigi who to keep and who to decline for the factory team. I have to think insider knowledge during May-June was that Pramac was gone for a big payday from Yamaha regardless, and that the other factory bike(s) would go to VR46. Marquez then would know his only route to a GP25 was through the factory team, hence his insistence on that contract. Martin may have realized this was his only route too, and signed quickly for Aprilia before the best other rides were taken.
@@sburns2421 top reason they pick marquez is that they dont wanna lose to him like in 2017-2019 again. if they dont secure him, he will be in KTM with pedro acosta. this will be disastrous. ppl seems forget that MM is rookie in ducati (more or less 10months riding it), riding half and year old bike, still can toe to toe with gp24 factory team. can you imagine if he master his ultra instinct in KTM?
@@ianlanford6922 I'm not sure the '24 KTM is even equal to the GP23, but aside from Ducati it is probably the best of the rest. Could Marquez have won races on it? Probably. Another championship? IDK. I think what the first several races showed Ducati is that Marquez is still perhaps the best rider in the world, and they would be stupid to let him go. If the '25 KTM was even close to the GP25, the cost to beat him might have been much more than to keep him. The big loser here is Martin, especially with Romano Albesiano leaving to go to Honda. The winner with Marquez staying at Ducati is Binder.
great session guys. so much better than the OMG version. all three of you have great insights and all articulated in a way that the average punter can embrace (I fall into that category even though I've been following bikes since the Mike Hailwood days!!); for me most impressive element of the MM win on Sunday was the fact that he's doing it on last years bike. Head to head with Pecco, beat him by 10 seconds!! Head to head with Martin and comes out on top. and all that after a dodgy start. Just brilliant. Keep up the good work! cheers
Not the 1st time this year MM93 has stood on the podium after starting from 12th or 13th. Those rounds were equally good. He’s starting to believe again. I,m hoping the 25 bike is a step fwd. MM93 has made 2024 really enjoyable again, even with all the contract drama. Great stuff
As long as Marquez gels with the 25 bike I reckon he is going to destroy the opposition in a 2019 style. These Ducatis are obviously the best bike on the grid in years and years and Marquez will be stronger and hungrier than ever wanting to get that 7th premier class title. The opposition will be seriously worried.
How good is Marc Marquez? -Marquez 345 points, DiGa 150 points,Bezecchi 134 points, Alex 125 points -Marc 18 podiums, DiGa 0 podiums, Bezecchi 1 podium, Alex 1 podium. -we had 34 races this season (17+17), Marc was fastest GP23 in 33 races, only race where Marc wasn't the fastest GP23 is sunday's race in Indonesia. He was 2sec behind Bezecchi before his engine problem. -Pecco won last year 467 points with GP23, Martin won 428 points. Marc has 345 points now and 6 races (3+3) more. He still has the chance to reach Martin's 428 points from last year. But there is a big difference, Marc is a Ducati rookie and he is racing against GP24 and 2024 KTMs and Aprilias, Pecco and Martin raced against GP22 ans 2023 Aprilias and KTMs
Enjoyed the podcast as usual. I would like to say I think Motogp has a problems with not showing us any midfield action during the race, especially this time. Looking at the positions swapping on the left constantly but seeing nothing is annoying
There should be an edit ready to splice into the broadcast after the race or when necessary. It’s nice to see the podium but it can be a borefest. Not knowing what battles guys like Fabio, Zarco, Miller etc. were having is just throwing good content away.
About time commentators recognised how dossile motogp has become.. Rossi,Lorenzo,Marquez, Pedrosa era was much more aggressive and competitive.. Marc reminded the grid that rubbing is racing... This newer generation would be destroyed in the Rossi era..Th8s new generation of Peco and Martin would stand no chance against Rossi,Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Marquez era
imo. only MM can handle young rossi backthen. even biagi got punched in the face. literally do you guys remember rossi oat to make gibernou never win again? lol poor gibs
It is funny because people say would be world champion, but "wish his qualfying sessions were better..." "If he could only get a good start...." "he needs a better bike underneath him..." People rarely say these about Marquez, especially now that he is comfortable on the year-old Duc. If he is upright, he will be passing people and causing general consternation among the riders on track.
IMO Pedro isn't quite at the level of the others mentioned, but he will hopefully get there. I worry he stunted his career by staying loyal to KTM, but two more years of best of the rest bike status he will have big decisions to make for 2027 and the new rules. You never know which bike will get it right. Maybe he sticks with KTM 2027-28 and it is a dog, and he first real chance at a championship isn't until 2029!!! With that said, KTM probably has the strongest 4-rider lineup of everyone for next year, including Ducati.
@@sburns2421 Agree Pedro isn’t their yet but he’s just raw talent. But Pecco Fabio and Martin are the best when you take away Marc and I would love to see the battles with Marc on good bikes
It was a great win for him considering his start. However Martin wisely did risk/reward and once Marc was through didn't throw away his second place trying to win it. For Martin being +20 is way better than -4!
Exactly, stunning pace from both Marquez and Martin. Impressive that Martin tried to fight, but then used his head. He is in the box seat now for the championship.
I remember Dean Harrison hit 2 birds in one race at the TT a few years ago, did almost 6 laps with a smashed screen and covered in blood, still finished 2nd or 3rd though.
I agree with all of you, Iannone had his chance in Motogp. And i think Nicolo Bulega should be given the wild card ride this year in either one of the last three rounds.
Seriously Pecco is in trouble next yr. I mean if MM93 can do this on gp23 then gp25. Pecco is fast and robotic but MM93 is an alien like toprak, he justs gets more out of the bike. Martin obviously has 1 lap.pace, be interesting him on a new such different aprillia
Can't compare Toprak and Marquez. Marc is racing best guys in the world and Toprak is racing old washed riders (Bautista 39,Rea 37,Iannone 35, Petrucci 34, Lowes brothers 34) and guys who were not good enough for Moto2 paddock like Bulega (49 races in Moto2, 92 points) , Aegerter etc.
@@CrashMotoGP it’s refreshing to listen to those who actually know something about MotoGP and are unbiased. Listening to smart blokes putting slants on things that I would never have thought of. Keep up the professionalism.
It looked to me bezzecchi intentionally turned in. He didn’t concede the corner like he should have. He only attempted to check up after he realized mavrick could make the turn. I think the stewards nailed it.
I think your missing that pecco very smart cool character I think he underated as MotoGP champion when u have ability to win back to back titles your class act .
Good win, but pundits quite often become prisoners of the moment. Every week, in all most sports it is the best this or that. Next week if he wins again, it will be his best win again. Let's just enjoy another win by MM. I'm sure he has had his "Best win" mentioned more than 30 times at this point.
Why does everyone say Marc’s pass was aggressive, but accepts Fermin’s as normal last-lap racing? Marc didn’t touch Jorge and Fermin absolutely raped his competitor. Marc’s was a block pass, nothing more or less.
Not a MM93 fan, quite the opposite. But if your MotoGP Fantasy for 2025 selections don't include MM93, Ducati, and Lenovo, you have no chance. The only question mark will be the other three riders you end up with.
I don't ever think team orders are good thing but also I can't remember championship where it's worked maybe back when Eddie Lawson tryed help Kenny Roberts beat Freddie .but Eddie was still learning.and ditto for dream teams always one personality seems prevail or injury never seems be straight fight between top two on same bikes .was Lawson and Gardner on Hondas .I like martin to win championship
Please stop talking down Phillip island and the organisers…shame on you. There is only one option that would guarantee no wildlife - to not to go there, and I am pretty sure the riders would not vote for that.
Anti-doping brings up a massive disparity. In many sports, transgender athletes are allowed medical exemptions, along with "privacy" - i.e. a guarantee for them to continue deceiving fans and fellow competitors alike.
come on let's be serious. Pecos first two championships were totally because he had a bike that was head and shoulders above everybody else , is he a good rider yes let's not kid ourselves if there was equal bikes on that grid I don't think he would've won any championships
He isnt an alien i agree, BUT he is a robot. Which is what ducatti up to this point needs. Its electronics aero if u can put it millimeter perfect on line every lap ull win. Thats Pecco, Martin is fast but cant run the tires when they drop off, pecco also is kore cautious in low grip. MM93 like toprak in Wsbk can find that extra 10/15% even in low grip. So yeah i think Pecco is gona struggle with Mm93
@ianjohnson1207 because he can put the bike exactly place it wants to be over n over. I dont believe he has that extra MM93 does. And ive NEVER been a MM93 fan
@@captaintoyota3171 If he takes the title this year (still very possible), that is three in a row. If he is able to beat Marquez in either 2025 or 2026 it would remove all doubt how good Pecco actually is. IMO he is in the active top tier of four riders now.
Utterly ridicoulous. Last year if binder didn't run him over in barcelona he would win the title 4 races before the end. First year i agree. 2022 he won he had a superior package
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Beyond incredible victory for Marquez, on a clear inferior bike to the GP24. That was such a special performance. So unlucky at the start with the tear off going under his tyre, dropped back, and came back to win again. Marc on the latest GP25 next year dominates, no doubt. The fastest ever, the best ever, the GOAT! #MM93
Never been an MM93 fan, but after the summer break I realized Marc was riding 'like he used to' - owning that Ducati.
I swear I heard Jaws music, and really believe he can pull off another late-career title in 2025.
Marc is from another planet...no one can come close to him at present
It was a special victory for sure.
unless someone show me similar or even better doing than marc, HE IS MY GOAT.
As you mention, this new generation haven't seen MM at his best till this year and they are worried already. JM knows this year is his last chance. PB has VR in his ear all the time, hence keep saying how MM won't get in his head...even though MM hasn't said anything.
I think JM is gifted but so many of this statements and mistakes give you an indication as to why Ducati have rejected him twice.
In the words of Frankie, they have no idea what they are in for next season.
And finally, If it wasn't for MM, many of these races would be dull without him (wouldn't surprise me that he has made more overtakes than everyone else put together)
Ducati simply has (had?) so many strong riders available for next year they could be picky. Martin may be the fastest rider at the moment, but as a total package was he preferred to Pecco or Marquez? Tough decision for Gigi who to keep and who to decline for the factory team.
I have to think insider knowledge during May-June was that Pramac was gone for a big payday from Yamaha regardless, and that the other factory bike(s) would go to VR46.
Marquez then would know his only route to a GP25 was through the factory team, hence his insistence on that contract.
Martin may have realized this was his only route too, and signed quickly for Aprilia before the best other rides were taken.
@@sburns2421 top reason they pick marquez is that they dont wanna lose to him like in 2017-2019 again. if they dont secure him, he will be in KTM with pedro acosta. this will be disastrous.
ppl seems forget that MM is rookie in ducati (more or less 10months riding it), riding half and year old bike, still can toe to toe with gp24 factory team.
can you imagine if he master his ultra instinct in KTM?
@@ianlanford6922 I'm not sure the '24 KTM is even equal to the GP23, but aside from Ducati it is probably the best of the rest. Could Marquez have won races on it? Probably. Another championship? IDK.
I think what the first several races showed Ducati is that Marquez is still perhaps the best rider in the world, and they would be stupid to let him go. If the '25 KTM was even close to the GP25, the cost to beat him might have been much more than to keep him.
The big loser here is Martin, especially with Romano Albesiano leaving to go to Honda. The winner with Marquez staying at Ducati is Binder.
Martin: I would like to go back and race in 2014-2015 to see where I stand.
Marc: hold my beer 😂
Careful what you wish for.
He wouldn't even be top Jorge in that time frame!
@@sburns2421More like he will be in top 8 max...Can you imagine if he race Iannone and Dovi..
Superlative analysis by The Lads. 😎
Thanks! 🙏
great session guys. so much better than the OMG version. all three of you have great insights and all articulated in a way that the average punter can embrace (I fall into that category even though I've been following bikes since the Mike Hailwood days!!); for me most impressive element of the MM win on Sunday was the fact that he's doing it on last years bike. Head to head with Pecco, beat him by 10 seconds!! Head to head with Martin and comes out on top. and all that after a dodgy start. Just brilliant. Keep up the good work! cheers
Very kind words, we try our best!
The bankruptcy analogy is brilliant and I would agree, I think Martin is the banker calling in his debt.
Not the 1st time this year MM93 has stood on the podium after starting from 12th or 13th. Those rounds were equally good. He’s starting to believe again. I,m hoping the 25 bike is a step fwd. MM93 has made 2024 really enjoyable again, even with all the contract drama. Great stuff
I loved the comment about helping peco with the 5pts he took off Martin lol
Yeah peccos in trouble next yr
As long as Marquez gels with the 25 bike I reckon he is going to destroy the opposition in a 2019 style. These Ducatis are obviously the best bike on the grid in years and years and Marquez will be stronger and hungrier than ever wanting to get that 7th premier class title.
The opposition will be seriously worried.
How good is Marc Marquez?
-Marquez 345 points, DiGa 150 points,Bezecchi 134 points, Alex 125 points
-Marc 18 podiums, DiGa 0 podiums, Bezecchi 1 podium, Alex 1 podium.
-we had 34 races this season (17+17), Marc was fastest GP23 in 33 races, only race where Marc wasn't the fastest GP23 is sunday's race in Indonesia. He was 2sec behind Bezecchi before his engine problem.
-Pecco won last year 467 points with GP23, Martin won 428 points. Marc has 345 points now and 6 races (3+3) more. He still has the chance to reach Martin's 428 points from last year.
But there is a big difference, Marc is a Ducati rookie and he is racing against GP24 and 2024 KTMs and Aprilias, Pecco and Martin raced against GP22 ans 2023 Aprilias and KTMs
Rossi warned you guys, Marc will push you till your eyes pop, wait for next year, he will be a great menace....he is hungry for a Championship....
It's easy to say "wow he won on an inferior bike" but remember most of his victories were on an inferior bike he made work that everyone struggled on.
Looks like the VR46 academy needs new professors 😅
Perhaps if Rossi stop being the Devil that he is right now and start being a decent human being, things could change for the better.
Enjoyed the podcast as usual. I would like to say I think Motogp has a problems with not showing us any midfield action during the race, especially this time. Looking at the positions swapping on the left constantly but seeing nothing is annoying
Thanks! Yeah, it’s quite frustrating. Would like to see more action for sure
There should be an edit ready to splice into the broadcast after the race or when necessary. It’s nice to see the podium but it can be a borefest. Not knowing what battles guys like Fabio, Zarco, Miller etc. were having is just throwing good content away.
About time commentators recognised how dossile motogp has become..
Rossi,Lorenzo,Marquez, Pedrosa era was much more aggressive and competitive.. Marc reminded the grid that rubbing is racing...
This newer generation would be destroyed in the Rossi era..Th8s new generation of Peco and Martin would stand no chance against Rossi,Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Marquez era
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imo. only MM can handle young rossi backthen. even biagi got punched in the face. literally
do you guys remember rossi oat to make gibernou never win again? lol
poor gibs
He is phenomenal rider.
An alien!
It is funny because people say would be world champion, but
"wish his qualfying sessions were better..."
"If he could only get a good start...."
"he needs a better bike underneath him..."
People rarely say these about Marquez, especially now that he is comfortable on the year-old Duc. If he is upright, he will be passing people and causing general consternation among the riders on track.
Absolutely dominate performance from Marc. This guy's one of a kind. 2025 can't come soon enough. Cheers
Marquez king of Motogp
In the presence of MM Greatness. Nothing more to add.
I wish the younger generation like Fabio Pecco Martin Pedro all had great bikes to fight Marc. They would learn a lot from those battles
IMO Pedro isn't quite at the level of the others mentioned, but he will hopefully get there. I worry he stunted his career by staying loyal to KTM, but two more years of best of the rest bike status he will have big decisions to make for 2027 and the new rules. You never know which bike will get it right. Maybe he sticks with KTM 2027-28 and it is a dog, and he first real chance at a championship isn't until 2029!!!
With that said, KTM probably has the strongest 4-rider lineup of everyone for next year, including Ducati.
@@sburns2421 Agree Pedro isn’t their yet but he’s just raw talent. But Pecco Fabio and Martin are the best when you take away Marc and I would love to see the battles with Marc on good bikes
It was a great win for him considering his start. However Martin wisely did risk/reward and once Marc was through didn't throw away his second place trying to win it. For Martin being +20 is way better than -4!
Exactly, stunning pace from both Marquez and Martin. Impressive that Martin tried to fight, but then used his head. He is in the box seat now for the championship.
Martin looking at the bigger picture, Marquez had nothing to lose, Martin has everything to lose at this point
@@ianjohnson1207 Good to see you are coming around.
@@sburns2421
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I remember Dean Harrison hit 2 birds in one race at the TT a few years ago, did almost 6 laps with a smashed screen and covered in blood, still finished 2nd or 3rd though.
Harrison and Mcginess are just different than other ppl
Remember when Iannone hit a bird at PI and then his replica helmet had a dazed cartoon gull?
Thanks very much for these insightful podcasts lads. Really enjoy listening to them after every MotoGP race.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed!
Great podcast as usual, at your news round up, let's not forget Ana Carrasco crowned first WWCR.
I agree with all of you, Iannone had his chance in Motogp. And i think Nicolo Bulega should be given the wild card ride this year in either one of the last three rounds.
well done Jordan for mentioning Senna in such a talented field
A great ride from him!
Great chat, and "I hit a chicken" got a laugh. Off season let's hear some riding tales
😂😂😂
Seriously Pecco is in trouble next yr. I mean if MM93 can do this on gp23 then gp25. Pecco is fast and robotic but MM93 is an alien like toprak, he justs gets more out of the bike. Martin obviously has 1 lap.pace, be interesting him on a new such different aprillia
Can't compare Toprak and Marquez. Marc is racing best guys in the world and Toprak is racing old washed riders (Bautista 39,Rea 37,Iannone 35, Petrucci 34, Lowes brothers 34) and guys who were not good enough for Moto2 paddock like Bulega (49 races in Moto2, 92 points) , Aegerter etc.
Great cast guys, keep it up!
Thanks!
Pecco getting run over in 2023 meets the criteria for 'back against the wall'
Excellent guys Thankyou.
Glad you enjoyed it
@@CrashMotoGP it’s refreshing to listen to those who actually know something about MotoGP and are unbiased. Listening to smart blokes putting slants on things that I would never have thought of. Keep up the professionalism.
It looked to me bezzecchi intentionally turned in. He didn’t concede the corner like he should have. He only attempted to check up after he realized mavrick could make the turn.
I think the stewards nailed it.
one of the best over takes of the year considering the circumstances he came from so far back too.. some pilot he is.
10:45 That’s exactly what I’m thinking
Can't wait to watch the Ducati factory team make way for the new top rider.
I think your missing that pecco very smart cool character I think he underated as MotoGP champion when u have ability to win back to back titles your class act .
Please discuss more on moto2 and moto3
Good win, but pundits quite often become prisoners of the moment. Every week, in all most sports it is the best this or that. Next week if he wins again, it will be his best win again. Let's just enjoy another win by MM. I'm sure he has had his "Best win" mentioned more than 30 times at this point.
Martin got a proper idea what it is to fight with a 2014-15 era rider 😅
Why does everyone say Marc’s pass was aggressive, but accepts Fermin’s as normal last-lap racing? Marc didn’t touch Jorge and Fermin absolutely raped his competitor. Marc’s was a block pass, nothing more or less.
Maybe dornna need have superbike wild cards in grand prix as in England Australia new Zealand suerbikes are top. Classes
Why no discussion about the women's championship ???
bird of PREY
anyone that needs help from a team mate doesn't deserve to be world chapiom, you're world champion because you've done it on your own
Thanks gents
Our pleasure!
Excellent podcast 👍
Much appreciated!
Not a MM93 fan, quite the opposite. But if your MotoGP Fantasy for 2025 selections don't include MM93, Ducati, and Lenovo, you have no chance. The only question mark will be the other three riders you end up with.
LUCKY NO KANGEROOS THERE
Marc makes other riders push like hell .. wish all manufacturers have same power as Ducati … fighting each other good for show !! 😂😂
Na, nowhere near, his greatest win was at the Sachenring in 2021 his first win after a nearly career ending injury
Incredible win, his most emotional for sure.
MM was determined the entire Weekend. PB and JM had no chance of winning. You could tell by the look in their eyes
He is the best no words legend.
I don't ever think team orders are good thing but also I can't remember championship where it's worked maybe back when Eddie Lawson tryed help Kenny Roberts beat Freddie .but Eddie was still learning.and ditto for dream teams always one personality seems prevail or injury never seems be straight fight between top two on same bikes .was Lawson and Gardner on Hondas .I like martin to win championship
Please stop talking down Phillip island and the organisers…shame on you. There is only one option that would guarantee no wildlife - to not to go there, and I am pretty sure the riders would not vote for that.
PS. BS abput great champions accepting help from team mates to be given help to win.. No great champions ever wanted help fr9m anyone,
Anti-doping brings up a massive disparity. In many sports, transgender athletes are allowed medical exemptions, along with "privacy" - i.e. a guarantee for them to continue deceiving fans and fellow competitors alike.
Ask jack miller about tearoffs
Was so unlucky back in 2020 with that one in Misano.
@@CrashMotoGP
Sold on a charity auction for something like £4k
come on let's be serious. Pecos first two championships were totally because he had a bike that was head and shoulders above everybody else , is he a good rider yes let's not kid ourselves if there was equal bikes on that grid I don't think he would've won any championships
So why didn’t the guys on the other three Ducati’s, there were three other bikes at the same level as his not win World Championship
He isnt an alien i agree, BUT he is a robot. Which is what ducatti up to this point needs. Its electronics aero if u can put it millimeter perfect on line every lap ull win. Thats Pecco, Martin is fast but cant run the tires when they drop off, pecco also is kore cautious in low grip. MM93 like toprak in Wsbk can find that extra 10/15% even in low grip. So yeah i think Pecco is gona struggle with Mm93
@ianjohnson1207 because he can put the bike exactly place it wants to be over n over. I dont believe he has that extra MM93 does. And ive NEVER been a MM93 fan
@@captaintoyota3171 If he takes the title this year (still very possible), that is three in a row. If he is able to beat Marquez in either 2025 or 2026 it would remove all doubt how good Pecco actually is.
IMO he is in the active top tier of four riders now.
Utterly ridicoulous. Last year if binder didn't run him over in barcelona he would win the title 4 races before the end. First year i agree. 2022 he won he had a superior package
GP 23 ? upgrade one
Chap at tt hit a horse was killed
clickbait title!! the answer is NO!!!!!!!!!!
if you look at the footage. the sea of riders just split open in first corner.
MARC IS MOSES. CONFIRMED
LOL JK