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I feel that Joanne Woodward is mostly famous today as being Paul Newman's wife, so I'm glad this video brilliantly shows why she was an incredible actress in her own right because her performance in 'Three Faces of Eve' is one of the best ever. Also, I feel that she and Newman had the most loving and stable relationship in Hollywood, married for 50 years is no mean feat. Thanks for another great video BKR!
They were an amazing couple. I think it was because she chose to stay home with their children (they had five) rather than work very much from the time of their marriage until the children were grown. Because she was that amazing. There are many great actresses that made this choice and it would be selfish to criticize them for it.
Woodward's mom named her after Joan Crawford, with its so-called "Southern spelling" of Joanne. Crawford was aghast at her namesake's Oscar dress, declaring she is "setting ... Hollywood glamour back by 20 years by making her own clothes". When Woodward showed up in a designer dress at the 1965 Oscars, she said "I hope that it makes Joan Crawford happy". (noted in Wiley & Bona's Inside Oscar 10th Anniversary Edition)
Just a little trivia, as a brazilian obsessed with telenovelas: The Three Faces of Eve inspired pioneer telenovelist Janete Clair to create the lead female role in the 1970 novela "Irmãos Coragem" (courage brothers). It was Lara, a mild-mannered woman with two more personalities: Diana, who was her complete opposite, and Márcia, a middle ground between the other two. The character was played by the iconic Glória Menezes, and in the remake, 26 years later, by the equally iconic Leticia Sabatella.
This was beautiful. Joanne Woodward is still physically with us, even though she is suffering from Alzheimer's. I have only seen her Oscar winning film once. Her Oscar is deserved and she is her own presence on screen and off.
I'll be honest, I think I'm one of those people who's always been guilty of seeing Joanne Woodward as just Paul Newman's wife. So as always, thank you for adding some much needed context to an actress who deserves to be remembered for much more than that. Your highlighting of how poorly mental illness is typically portrayed in media is also deeply appreciated. As a physically disabled person who has depression, it definitely does not go unnoticed.
Great film. One of the best performances of all time (and so influential on future actors performances). Eve Black's final "Goodbye, Doc." was so heartbreaking.
I don't have DID, but for several significant years of my life, I struggled with DPDR disorder, which features a lot of prolonged dissociation without being pushed so far as to coalesce into distinct alters. So often in film and media, DID, and a lot of mental illnesses are portrayed in very scary, stigmatizing ways, and it wasn't until Moon knight that I felt like I saw it handled with dignity and care and empathy. I'll have to watch this!
Joanne Woodward nailed those performances and won her well deserved Best Actress Academy Award. Always being hailed as one of the greatest film performance of all time.
Awesome analysis, as always! I think Olivia de Havilland played a version of this in the late 1940's hit "The Snake Pit", a role that could have (maybe should have) gotten her second Oscar, but Jane Wyman got won for Johnny Belinda instead. The 1950's was a strange decade for Best Actress, and film in general. The female film critic you cited was a great find!
In Sally Field's amazing memoir, "In Pieces" (the title says a lot), she says that Sybil is the character she is most like, due to her own dissociative tendencies, often known as DID-NOS (Not Otherwise Specified), which usually involves a lot of dissociation. DID is heavily, heavily linked to childhood sexual abuse and severe trauma. And her personal therapist is one who works with clients with severe trauma and DID. Sally was CSA'd for many, many years by her abusive step-father, and her mother knew and didn't intervene or bring it up. Heartbreaking. I love Sally, I think she's extremely brave, and I admire her greatly for her honesty.
Woodward is one of the best American actresses in my opinion. Thank you for highlighting her work like this. She has not gotten enough recognition, in my opinion. I watched The Three Faces of Eve recently and also some of her other films. She was magnificent.
As a therapist, I have had the opportunity to see (not work with) people with DID and I can tell you it is so far removed from how Hollywood shows it. I also know someone from high school who was diagnosed with the disorder and a lot of their behaviors across their late teens made complete sense. Another great video!
As someone with mental illness and autism I find it suspect. NOT because sufferers lie, but because I have personally seen how manipulative, incompetent and clueless mental health professionals can be, and tbh, in cases of psychology, mostly ARE( Though a HUGE caveat is that it has been years since I was in therapy). The fact that this doesn't start to manifest OUTSIDE therapy is hugely suspect. We don't really talk about how absolutely clueless therapists are when it comes to neurodivergent people like me. That is to say, unless psychology has advanced hugely since I had it. I have intense trauma from therapy to this day and it is responsible for the intense feeling of worthlessness that is hard to overcome. Psychiatric help is the only thing that has helped me even a little. Medication being that help. We never acknowledge that mental health professionals in 9 out of 10 cases know a lot less than actual neurodivergent people. In some cases( like the ridiculous assertion that us autistic people lack empathy, which is, at least for me as a female autistic person, ridiculous) being allowed to define people OVER the heads of those people who can tell you the truth. There is SO much gaslighting from mental health professionals, and only after 20 years can I say with conviction " They were wrong, and I was right." Some actually do think they know better than the human beings that are neurodivergent! And THOSE people use techniques we know work to basically brainwash their patients. I don't think it is unlikely that they manipulate their patients into believing that they suffer from DID.
@@thedanespeaksyou said that autistic people are talked down and invalidated (which is valid), but then condescended and talked down to people with DID. You do realise there are people who have both right.
I’m actually related to Christine. My last name, Sizemore, is only shared by direct relatives. When I learned of the Three Faces of Eve and her story, I started reaching out through the family for answers to all of the questions I had - why wasn’t she better protected, informed? Why has our family been so EXCLUDED from this narrative? WHY? The sad truth was that no one has the answers. Most of my family didn’t even know that SHE was the basis for Eve. When I told my dad, he was disgusted, but it was long past the point of anyone being able to do anything. The damage was done.
I’m sorry that happened ❤ I was going to ask-didn’t they disprove her diagnosis eventually? Or did it stay as her sole diagnosis her whole life? Reason I ask is bc there’s still push back today about DID. Some people say it isn’t real-like the dramatic “put her hands over her face when she changed personalities” some people have used that as evidence that she was traumatized and acting 🤷🏽♀️ I have no opinion,so pls I take no sides here. Was just curious if you had any additional info ❤ hope you find a way to make your family situation whole again-or maybe whole for the first time. You can now keep her memory alive with YOUR kids and family-change the mistakes your family made in the past. It was a different difficult time back then ❤we can’t expect to know how they felt
The fifties were the method actor takeover with Clift, Brando, Dean,and Paul Newman. But, Joanne Woodward , Eva Marie saint, and Shelley winters were fabulous , in their own right.
The thing that the woman reviewer said around 20:00 about "That's acting" takes for granted the talent that it takes to deliver a great performance. We are used to generally seeing good acting/great performances because we are watching professional projects where executives/producers/directors etc. are putting millions of dollars on the line with the performances of whomever they hire. Generally that means it's going to be someone with talent...but not always as we know. lol But it's so easy for people to just think everyone can act if they want to do, and that's just not true. Specifically also, Audrey Hepburn in the final moments of Roman Holiday was something magnificent. There was SO MUCH communicated through the silences of that last scene and I have rarely seen someone who can do that.
I got curious and read more movie reviews and articles from Helen Bowers (the lady reviewer referenced here). It seems she was a total Emma Thompson when it came to A. Hepburn. She wrote an article in 1960 predicting the Oscar winners for that year when Hepburn was nominated for The Nun's Story, and Bowers was still incredulous that Kerr didn't win in 1953. No pleasing her.
@@indy-fs6de Interesting. She still wasn’t over it. 🤦🏾♀️lol It’s probably a lot easier to critique things and tear them down based on nothing than to develop the talent(if even) to actually DO the thing well that they are critiquing.🤔
I've been with my partner who has DID for quite a while, and I've learned so much about how misrepresented and stigmatized it is. Not just from media, but from the world as a whole. For example: the idea of the system (the term used for the dominant personality/ body that alters break off from) not knowing what the alters are doing or not remembering things that happen when they shift is usually only in times of extremely high stress, mental breakdowns, high exhaustion, etc., which makes sense as DID is largely caused as the result of childhood trauma. Also, alters more often than not start out as pretty 2 dimensional and just a base personality type, but the longer they front the more defined and 3 dimensional they become. They have separate relationships, likes, dislikes, tolerance levels, hell I've even noticed things like different senses of taste or movement abilities. Nothing like "one has a limp and the other is an athlete" or anything, just different patterns and limits. DID is so often portrayed as a constant suffering, and it's by no means easy to live with especially with all the stigma surrounding it, but it can actually be a great source of relief when allowed to be properly expressed and tolerated. Just my two cents on the matter from someone who has firstish/secondhand experience. Wonderful video as always!
@Antônio That is exactly one of the things that is misrepresented. Yes, amnesia is ONE of the symptoms, but it is not a unifying condition. Thats like saying suicidal thoughts or actions are a criterion of every person with clinical depression. Dissociative amnesia is a *part* of DID, not a requirement. Like I said in my account, it absolutely happens in moments of high stress and trauma regression, or if the main system needs a mental break and needs to step back for a while, but it is not a constant. Alters share memories and experiences all the time, unless it would distress or harm another alter or the main person.
I've been waiting for the next video - this was amazing! Would love to see a Barbara Stanwyck second best actress - I can't believe she didn't win for 'Double Indemnity' or 'Stella Dallas'. Thank you for this amazing channel!
I love Stanwyck. Everything she did as an actor was greater by her presence, & she had a reputation for interpersonal kindness I appreciate. This isn't the place for politics so I won't mention the stuff I wish she hadn't been as dedicated to. But yes, I'd love to see a Stanwyck piece.
Woodward's mother made that dress. I saw an old interview with her on tv one time. She heard her name, threw off her wrap so that everyone could see the dress, and ran up to the stage holding it up because she was scared it would fall down. She totally forgot to kiss her husband.
ThankYou so much for recommending Wild Is The Wind. I’d never seen it before - a shock to me! I love Anna Magnani’s work. Such a powerful performance by her in this. And thanks for the analysis of Three Faces of Eve and Joanne Woodward’s performance. It’s got rewatchability - I’ve seen it here on yt three times.
Wow I had no idea that Joan was the doctor in Sybil! From an actors POV it must have been such a relief for Sally Field to play such an intense role opposite a colleague who knew and understood exactly what she was going through. And from Joan's POV, it must have been so strange to be on the other side of such a weighty role, one so similar to the one she once played and won an Oscar for. I imagine that it would have been eerily nostalgic and also very fulfilling, sort of a passing on of the torch. So cool. (I'm thinking of an AHS: Coven reference, the transition of an outgoing Supreme as a new one rises) 😅
My aunt was event coordinator for Monticello Mountain in Virginia and hosted the Newmans. She said they were some of the best guests, famous or not... Humble, kind, funny, and drove in and valeted their own little convertible.
i think that you are an artist, somehow, a filmmaker. Your lever of research, edition, storytelling and curatorship is captivating. Always excited about your videos
2:29 "a good episode"? When have you given us a bad one? All your videos are super interesting and perfectly narrated!! This is yet another great episode!
Joanne truly was wonderful in this movie despite the problematic portrayal of D.I.D as she commits to the part without overdoing it. While she’s usually associated with her talented husband, I don’t think her talents, charisma or filmography should be overlooked. I’ve got the “Last Movie Stars” doc in my watchlist
As always a fascinating and meticulously researched video - thank you! As a huge SATB stan, one thing I'd like to add is that there were actually two Siouxsie and the Banshees songs written about this particular subject - the other is called Eve White Eve Black.
All of your videos are so greatly detailed, not only to the subject of movies but to the time and historical events that surrounded them. Did you ever study anything in the scope of Social Science? Also, love this video!!
Yes! Watched this film and loved it and Joanne because of someone's comment on one of your other videos saying it was in their top 5 favorite acting performances. Now I can get more history behind it, thank you!
I'm 66 ,my Grandmother turned me on to" The Golden Age" of Classic Hollywood films..At the time all we had was a black n white TV which was ok cuz many of the greatest films were blk n wht .. She lived with us for awhile in our huge finished basement ,it was like a small apartment so we hung out and watched The Late Show " not Johnny" and Night Owl theater, which were classic Hollywood genre' She was my Best friend at that time and we'd stay up all night on weekends watching these great films . She had a unique perspective being the same age as many of the actors but at the time they were much older cuz unlike today the films would not be on tv till many years later . She was able to explain many of the nuances , slang and historical relevance . To this day i prefer watching a Classic Golden Era Film , i feel like the actors really worked their craft and earned their pay unlike today where it seems so much of it is all about hi tech and special effects . I remember when a special affect was the look on an actor face that tells the story or a gut a wrenching scene that elicits emotion without blood and guts. I hear that Hollywood is undergoing an apocalypse of sorts and a new Hollywood is emerging out of the grip of the huge corporate stranglehold where independent film makers will be making movies the old fashion way , meaning with the audience in mind not the bottom line. . I look forward to the New Hollywood where talent goes a long way with storyline and content.
22:51 This is so true: A blanket statement and lazy writing (along with many other factors) treat anyone who’s ‘not Normal’ as being anti-social rather than see them as marginalised and full of potential. This applies to neurodivergent characters as well. A great example of responsible storytelling is ‘15 Park Avenue’ directed by Aparna Sen.
"Brand new hot ass husband." LOL I love that! You are too funny. Your narration is always so sophisticated, but, yea, Paul Newman's hotness makes even the most sophisticated women just have to say "hot ass" and leave it at that.
Omg, I had no idea the Siouxsie and the Banshees song was about her, I love that song! Also, really appreciate the links to movies in the description 🙏🏾
20:00 - I got curious and read more movie reviews and articles from Helen Bowers (the lady reviewer referenced here). It seems she was a total Emma Thompson when it came to A. Hepburn. She wrote an article in 1960 predicting the Oscar winners for that year when Hepburn was nominated for The Nun's Story, and Bowers was still incredulous that Kerr didn't win in 1953. Fascinating, as I've always believed that the Hepburn dismissiveness arose within more modern cynical audiences. To each their own now and back then, but I do wish more folks would give Hepburn credit for the magic she pulled off in Roman Holiday.
I am so glad to see the link wasn’t from 3 yrs ago, or so, which I seem to encounter a lot. It was new!! Which means I’ve found a new channel to love!! Thank you for the breakdown in this video. It felt like a hip, quick, film class. I woke up today to the link in my algorithm , and I’m super glad that happened . I’ll check out a lot more of your videos. Thanks for the entertainment AND just as important the insights!!
It's been a long time since I've watched "Three Faces of Eve", and I remember finding the script for it a little clunky. The direction and acting, though, was very good, and I must extend a compliment to the marvelous Lee J. Cobb, who proves (as if he needed proof) of his range: from "On the Waterfront" and "Twelve Angry Men" to "Death of a Salesman" to this. And while I agree with the reasoning of why Kerr lost the Oscar that year, and that Woodward definitely deserved it, I am going to put forward that Sister Angela is more complex than it might appear: for one thing, Kerr has to partner up with Robert Mitchum, a powerhouse of a presence, in what is essentially a two-person story. Her character does more than hide and exposit: she is the strongly gentle way in which Mitchum's character becomes a more dimensional human being. Granted that, of the two, he is the dominant character, and it can be argued that "Heaven Knows..." is really Mr. Allison's story, but Sister Angela is more than just a dependent who needs care: she is a brave and dedicated woman who operates through quiet and faith. The performance requires a similar understatement which can go unnoticed. But take that away, or give it to a more outspoken energy, and the movie changes, not necessarily for the better.
I really love all the additional tidbits you included about other stars/awards, etc. You’d mention something and I’d think, oh I’ll look that up later…..but you had it covered! Excellent job.❤️
I remember watching this in Abnormal Psychology class. I was learning about this for the first time and was fascinated. It was the best of the movies we watched for that class.
So glad to have a new video from your lovely channel. I'm glad u also got over covid and here I was thinking that you didn't want to make any more vids jejejee... Regards from Peru
Oh noes! Ana Mignoni! (I'm butchering the spelling I'm sure) and Deborah Carr!!! I love seeing other BKR alums in your vids! Man I didn't even know about Deborah Carr before this channel (in terms of her oscar dramz... I knew of her as an actress) and I CERTAINLY didn't know who Ana Mignoni was! I learn so much watching this channel as always! THanks so much
I know BKR sound design is elegantly classic, but using *Free Jazz* here in particular exceeds my expectations ! To those who may not know, *Free Jazz* is a form of Jazz this avant-garde movement emerged in 1950s-1960s in USA during the same era this video focuses on cinematically.
Thank you very much for those full movie links! I would have gotten around to The Three Faces of Eve someday, maybe even Peyton Place, but I doubt I would have ever thought to watch No Down Payment and it was a fascinating time capsule of post-war suburbia. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
I can't wait for the next video about 2nd Best Actress and I think you should do about Mary Pickford's Oscar it makes me sad that there'll never be a video about Greer Garson 2nd Oscar I think she should won for Sunrise at Campobello and a diagnosis of dissociative identity disorder it's a controversial thing even for 21st century standards of mental health and psychiatry
DID is a very controversial diagnosis in the psychiatric community and Sybil (another so-called multiple personality disorder) although featuring another great performance by an actress (Sally Field) was later found to be largely made up by the therapist who wrote the original book. It sounds like the inspiration for this book also had a very problematic relationship with her therapists.
@@chloe-jl5mu I guess I should have phrased it more clearly/strongly--because of what I know about the history of psychiatry and its disrespect of women, much like with the film Julia, despite the strength of these women's performances, I just can't watch the films anymore. I just think it perpetuates the violence done to them by their therapists.
@@cleargreen123456789 it is. It’s horrific how people with mental illnesses are commodified and their ability to express themselves is co-opted by the very people supposed to help them.
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Well done!
I feel that Joanne Woodward is mostly famous today as being Paul Newman's wife, so I'm glad this video brilliantly shows why she was an incredible actress in her own right because her performance in 'Three Faces of Eve' is one of the best ever. Also, I feel that she and Newman had the most loving and stable relationship in Hollywood, married for 50 years is no mean feat. Thanks for another great video BKR!
Yes Paul Newman’s husband right sure
Joanne was Paul's wife. 🤣
Gore Vidal would agree!
They were an amazing couple. I think it was because she chose to stay home with their children (they had five) rather than work very much from the time of their marriage until the children were grown. Because she was that amazing. There are many great actresses that made this choice and it would be selfish to criticize them for it.
@@deettekearns9092 There are rumours that Paul Newman was bisexual and had many affairs with men and women.
I love when you combine historical context to these things. It just brings everything together so well.
Woodward's mom named her after Joan Crawford, with its so-called "Southern spelling" of Joanne. Crawford was aghast at her namesake's Oscar dress, declaring she is "setting ... Hollywood glamour back by 20 years by making her own clothes". When Woodward showed up in a designer dress at the 1965 Oscars, she said "I hope that it makes Joan Crawford happy". (noted in Wiley & Bona's Inside Oscar 10th Anniversary Edition)
How far we've come from people being enchanted with Joanne's homemade dress to the Kardashians' foolish extravagance.
My grandmother used the southern spelling for my mother but people were constantly pronouncing it Jo. Ann. As soon as she could she changed it to Jo.
@@leighcochran7303😫 I hate this century
Just a little trivia, as a brazilian obsessed with telenovelas: The Three Faces of Eve inspired pioneer telenovelist Janete Clair to create the lead female role in the 1970 novela "Irmãos Coragem" (courage brothers). It was Lara, a mild-mannered woman with two more personalities: Diana, who was her complete opposite, and Márcia, a middle ground between the other two. The character was played by the iconic Glória Menezes, and in the remake, 26 years later, by the equally iconic Leticia Sabatella.
This was beautiful. Joanne Woodward is still physically with us, even though she is suffering from Alzheimer's. I have only seen her Oscar winning film once. Her Oscar is deserved and she is her own presence on screen and off.
She's suffering from Alzheimer's? Poor Woman...
She's been suffering from Alzheimer's since 2007, which is interesting because less than 3% of those diagnosed with it live past 14 years.
I'll be honest, I think I'm one of those people who's always been guilty of seeing Joanne Woodward as just Paul Newman's wife. So as always, thank you for adding some much needed context to an actress who deserves to be remembered for much more than that. Your highlighting of how poorly mental illness is typically portrayed in media is also deeply appreciated. As a physically disabled person who has depression, it definitely does not go unnoticed.
As of 2020, Joanne Woodward is the Oldest Living Actress who's won a Best Actress Oscar for a Leading Role.
Joanne Woodward is now 92 years old and I heard she is now suffering from Alzheimer's disease.
@@michaelverbakel7632 aww I hate to hear that 😣
@@michaelverbakel7632yea I heard that too. Truly sad 😔
Joanne Woodward's performance in The Three Faces of Eve (1957) was marvelous and spellbinding. I'm so glad she won the Oscar.
Yes, Oscar got it right IMO (and Woodward was also fantastic that year in "No Down Payment").
Great film. One of the best performances of all time (and so influential on future actors performances). Eve Black's final "Goodbye, Doc." was so heartbreaking.
She's excellent in _WUSA_ as well.
As always, very excited to learn something that I will explain to friends and family over the next couple of weeks with 10% of the clarity.
Read “Sybil Exposed” by Debbie Nathan. It’s a real eye opener.
As someone who is learning how to sew, that she made her own Oscars dress is so cool.
I don't know why but I've always loved the soothing tone in which Joanne says, "Dish towels are good and useful things" in Sybil.
Stops *EVERYTHING* that I’m doing and watching this video, 🗣RIGHT NOW. ❤
I don't have DID, but for several significant years of my life, I struggled with DPDR disorder, which features a lot of prolonged dissociation without being pushed so far as to coalesce into distinct alters. So often in film and media, DID, and a lot of mental illnesses are portrayed in very scary, stigmatizing ways, and it wasn't until Moon knight that I felt like I saw it handled with dignity and care and empathy. I'll have to watch this!
Joanne Woodward's performance in The Three Faces of Eve is outstanding! I didn't know about the real "Eve". Great video!
Joanne Woodward nailed those performances and won her well deserved Best Actress Academy Award. Always being hailed as one of the greatest film performance of all time.
Awesome analysis, as always!
I think Olivia de Havilland played a version of this in the late 1940's hit "The Snake Pit", a role that could have (maybe should have) gotten her second Oscar, but Jane Wyman got won for Johnny Belinda instead.
The 1950's was a strange decade for Best Actress, and film in general. The female film critic you cited was a great find!
In Sally Field's amazing memoir, "In Pieces" (the title says a lot), she says that Sybil is the character she is most like, due to her own dissociative tendencies, often known as DID-NOS (Not Otherwise Specified), which usually involves a lot of dissociation. DID is heavily, heavily linked to childhood sexual abuse and severe trauma. And her personal therapist is one who works with clients with severe trauma and DID. Sally was CSA'd for many, many years by her abusive step-father, and her mother knew and didn't intervene or bring it up. Heartbreaking. I love Sally, I think she's extremely brave, and I admire her greatly for her honesty.
She was ROBBED of the Oscar for Lincoln. She put such a distinctive personality to Mary Todd Lincoln and her scenes really showed Lincoln's character!
@@leighcochran7303 Oh god, now I remember - that's the year Anne Hathaway won *eyeroll* who deserved it the least IMO.
I had no idea! Thank you for sharing
Woodward is one of the best American actresses in my opinion. Thank you for highlighting her work like this. She has not gotten enough recognition, in my opinion. I watched The Three Faces of Eve recently and also some of her other films. She was magnificent.
As a therapist, I have had the opportunity to see (not work with) people with DID and I can tell you it is so far removed from how Hollywood shows it. I also know someone from high school who was diagnosed with the disorder and a lot of their behaviors across their late teens made complete sense. Another great video!
As someone with mental illness and autism I find it suspect. NOT because sufferers lie, but because I have personally seen how manipulative, incompetent and clueless mental health professionals can be, and tbh, in cases of psychology, mostly ARE( Though a HUGE caveat is that it has been years since I was in therapy).
The fact that this doesn't start to manifest OUTSIDE therapy is hugely suspect. We don't really talk about how absolutely clueless therapists are when it comes to neurodivergent people like me. That is to say, unless psychology has advanced hugely since I had it. I have intense trauma from therapy to this day and it is responsible for the intense feeling of worthlessness that is hard to overcome.
Psychiatric help is the only thing that has helped me even a little. Medication being that help. We never acknowledge that mental health professionals in 9 out of 10 cases know a lot less than actual neurodivergent people. In some cases( like the ridiculous assertion that us autistic people lack empathy, which is, at least for me as a female autistic person, ridiculous) being allowed to define people OVER the heads of those people who can tell you the truth. There is SO much gaslighting from mental health professionals, and only after 20 years can I say with conviction " They were wrong, and I was right." Some actually do think they know better than the human beings that are neurodivergent! And THOSE people use techniques we know work to basically brainwash their patients. I don't think it is unlikely that they manipulate their patients into believing that they suffer from DID.
@@thedanespeaks yes! and they tell you you can just be a woman when you’re a man cuz it’s cool 🥳
@@thedanespeaksyou said that autistic people are talked down and invalidated (which is valid), but then condescended and talked down to people with DID.
You do realise there are people who have both right.
I’m actually related to Christine. My last name, Sizemore, is only shared by direct relatives. When I learned of the Three Faces of Eve and her story, I started reaching out through the family for answers to all of the questions I had - why wasn’t she better protected, informed? Why has our family been so EXCLUDED from this narrative? WHY? The sad truth was that no one has the answers. Most of my family didn’t even know that SHE was the basis for Eve. When I told my dad, he was disgusted, but it was long past the point of anyone being able to do anything. The damage was done.
Sizemore is uncommon but it's certainly not relegated to just one family
I’m sorry that happened ❤ I was going to ask-didn’t they disprove her diagnosis eventually? Or did it stay as her sole diagnosis her whole life? Reason I ask is bc there’s still push back today about DID. Some people say it isn’t real-like the dramatic “put her hands over her face when she changed personalities” some people have used that as evidence that she was traumatized and acting 🤷🏽♀️ I have no opinion,so pls I take no sides here. Was just curious if you had any additional info ❤ hope you find a way to make your family situation whole again-or maybe whole for the first time. You can now keep her memory alive with YOUR kids and family-change the mistakes your family made in the past. It was a different difficult time back then ❤we can’t expect to know how they felt
Different times, this was in the 1950s
Do you make most things about you? Or is it a family thing?
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I just googled it and it says over 20,000 people (in the US) have that last name... that's a small number but it's not *that* small.
The fifties were the method actor takeover with Clift, Brando, Dean,and Paul Newman. But, Joanne Woodward , Eva Marie saint, and Shelley winters were fabulous , in their own right.
@@hlw1306 Her autobiography is fabulous!
damn right!! three of my favorite actresses, unsung heroines of modern cinema
The thing that the woman reviewer said around 20:00 about "That's acting" takes for granted the talent that it takes to deliver a great performance. We are used to generally seeing good acting/great performances because we are watching professional projects where executives/producers/directors etc. are putting millions of dollars on the line with the performances of whomever they hire. Generally that means it's going to be someone with talent...but not always as we know. lol But it's so easy for people to just think everyone can act if they want to do, and that's just not true. Specifically also, Audrey Hepburn in the final moments of Roman Holiday was something magnificent. There was SO MUCH communicated through the silences of that last scene and I have rarely seen someone who can do that.
I got curious and read more movie reviews and articles from Helen Bowers (the lady reviewer referenced here). It seems she was a total Emma Thompson when it came to A. Hepburn. She wrote an article in 1960 predicting the Oscar winners for that year when Hepburn was nominated for The Nun's Story, and Bowers was still incredulous that Kerr didn't win in 1953. No pleasing her.
@@indy-fs6de Interesting. She still wasn’t over it. 🤦🏾♀️lol It’s probably a lot easier to critique things and tear them down based on nothing than to develop the talent(if even) to actually DO the thing well that they are critiquing.🤔
I've been with my partner who has DID for quite a while, and I've learned so much about how misrepresented and stigmatized it is. Not just from media, but from the world as a whole. For example: the idea of the system (the term used for the dominant personality/ body that alters break off from) not knowing what the alters are doing or not remembering things that happen when they shift is usually only in times of extremely high stress, mental breakdowns, high exhaustion, etc., which makes sense as DID is largely caused as the result of childhood trauma.
Also, alters more often than not start out as pretty 2 dimensional and just a base personality type, but the longer they front the more defined and 3 dimensional they become. They have separate relationships, likes, dislikes, tolerance levels, hell I've even noticed things like different senses of taste or movement abilities. Nothing like "one has a limp and the other is an athlete" or anything, just different patterns and limits. DID is so often portrayed as a constant suffering, and it's by no means easy to live with especially with all the stigma surrounding it, but it can actually be a great source of relief when allowed to be properly expressed and tolerated. Just my two cents on the matter from someone who has firstish/secondhand experience. Wonderful video as always!
Wow thank you
Amnesia is literally a criterion for DID. If "alters" are aware of one another's thoughts/actions, it's just role-playing
@Antônio That is exactly one of the things that is misrepresented. Yes, amnesia is ONE of the symptoms, but it is not a unifying condition. Thats like saying suicidal thoughts or actions are a criterion of every person with clinical depression. Dissociative amnesia is a *part* of DID, not a requirement. Like I said in my account, it absolutely happens in moments of high stress and trauma regression, or if the main system needs a mental break and needs to step back for a while, but it is not a constant. Alters share memories and experiences all the time, unless it would distress or harm another alter or the main person.
I've been waiting for the next video - this was amazing! Would love to see a Barbara Stanwyck second best actress - I can't believe she didn't win for 'Double Indemnity' or 'Stella Dallas'. Thank you for this amazing channel!
I love Stanwyck. Everything she did as an actor was greater by her presence, & she had a reputation for interpersonal kindness I appreciate.
This isn't the place for politics so I won't mention the stuff I wish she hadn't been as dedicated to. But yes, I'd love to see a Stanwyck piece.
She's captivating even in her Pre-Code movies. I would love a Barbara Stanwyck video.
Woodward's mother made that dress. I saw an old interview with her on tv one time. She heard her name, threw off her wrap so that everyone could see the dress, and ran up to the stage holding it up because she was scared it would fall down. She totally forgot to kiss her husband.
No, Joanne made her own dress. It is in The Last Movie Stars.
ThankYou so much for recommending Wild Is The Wind. I’d never seen it before - a shock to me! I love Anna Magnani’s work. Such a powerful performance by her in this. And thanks for the analysis of Three Faces of Eve and Joanne Woodward’s performance. It’s got rewatchability - I’ve seen it here on yt three times.
Wow I had no idea that Joan was the doctor in Sybil! From an actors POV it must have been such a relief for Sally Field to play such an intense role opposite a colleague who knew and understood exactly what she was going through. And from Joan's POV, it must have been so strange to be on the other side of such a weighty role, one so similar to the one she once played and won an Oscar for. I imagine that it would have been eerily nostalgic and also very fulfilling, sort of a passing on of the torch. So cool. (I'm thinking of an AHS: Coven reference, the transition of an outgoing Supreme as a new one rises) 😅
My aunt was event coordinator for Monticello Mountain in Virginia and hosted the Newmans. She said they were some of the best guests, famous or not... Humble, kind, funny, and drove in and valeted their own little convertible.
been waiting forever for a Joanne Woodward video, it was well worth the wait. forever holding out for a Gena Rowlands video!
i think that you are an artist, somehow, a filmmaker. Your lever of research, edition, storytelling and curatorship is captivating. Always excited about your videos
Huge fan of your series - I can't wait for each episode - and this one is excellent! Glad you'e feeling better too!
2:29 "a good episode"? When have you given us a bad one? All your videos are super interesting and perfectly narrated!! This is yet another great episode!
24:20 More power to her. People have potential to do good, no matter what they’re going through.
Joanne truly was wonderful in this movie despite the problematic portrayal of D.I.D as she commits to the part without overdoing it. While she’s usually associated with her talented husband, I don’t think her talents, charisma or filmography should be overlooked. I’ve got the “Last Movie Stars” doc in my watchlist
As always a fascinating and meticulously researched video - thank you! As a huge SATB stan, one thing I'd like to add is that there were actually two Siouxsie and the Banshees songs written about this particular subject - the other is called Eve White Eve Black.
love your videos and i appreciate the links to resources so much!
Great episode! I love Joanne Woodward’s performances in Rachel, Rachel, and especially Summer Wishes, Winter Dreams.
So happy to see the return of Anna Magnani on the channel! The video on her is one of my favourites on the channel.
All of your videos are so greatly detailed, not only to the subject of movies but to the time and historical events that surrounded them. Did you ever study anything in the scope of Social Science?
Also, love this video!!
Siouxsie and the Banshees have two songs about Christine Sizemore: "Christine" and "Eve White/Eve Black", originally the B-side to Christine.
Yes! I’ve been hoping you’d focus on Joanne and this film!
Yes! Watched this film and loved it and Joanne because of someone's comment on one of your other videos saying it was in their top 5 favorite acting performances. Now I can get more history behind it, thank you!
Random, but I looove Siouxsie Sioux. Face to Face from the Batman Returns soundtrack lives rent free in my head. 💁🏼♂️😘
I'm 66 ,my Grandmother turned me on to" The Golden Age" of Classic Hollywood films..At the time all we had was a black n white TV which was ok cuz many of the greatest films were blk n wht .. She lived with us for awhile in our huge finished basement ,it was like a small apartment so we hung out and watched The Late Show " not Johnny" and Night Owl theater, which were classic Hollywood genre' She was my Best friend at that time and we'd stay up all night on weekends watching these great films . She had a unique perspective being the same age as many of the actors but at the time they were much older cuz unlike today the films would not be on tv till many years later . She was able to explain many of the nuances , slang and historical relevance . To this day i prefer watching a Classic Golden Era Film , i feel like the actors really worked their craft and earned their pay unlike today where it seems so much of it is all about hi tech and special effects . I remember when a special affect was the look on an actor face that tells the story or a gut a wrenching scene that elicits emotion without blood and guts. I hear that Hollywood is undergoing an apocalypse of sorts and a new Hollywood is emerging out of the grip of the huge corporate stranglehold where independent film makers will be making movies the old fashion way , meaning with the audience in mind not the bottom line. . I look forward to the New Hollywood where talent goes a long way with storyline and content.
22:51 This is so true: A blanket statement and lazy writing (along with many other factors) treat anyone who’s ‘not Normal’ as being anti-social rather than see them as marginalised and full of potential. This applies to neurodivergent characters as well.
A great example of responsible storytelling is ‘15 Park Avenue’ directed by Aparna Sen.
Thank you BKR, I wait for your videos! Hope you feel better!
"Brand new hot ass husband." LOL I love that! You are too funny. Your narration is always so sophisticated, but, yea, Paul Newman's hotness makes even the most sophisticated women just have to say "hot ass" and leave it at that.
Omg, I had no idea the Siouxsie and the Banshees song was about her, I love that song! Also, really appreciate the links to movies in the description 🙏🏾
20:00 - I got curious and read more movie reviews and articles from Helen Bowers (the lady reviewer referenced here). It seems she was a total Emma Thompson when it came to A. Hepburn. She wrote an article in 1960 predicting the Oscar winners for that year when Hepburn was nominated for The Nun's Story, and Bowers was still incredulous that Kerr didn't win in 1953. Fascinating, as I've always believed that the Hepburn dismissiveness arose within more modern cynical audiences. To each their own now and back then, but I do wish more folks would give Hepburn credit for the magic she pulled off in Roman Holiday.
...but did she have to call on a personality different from herself?
Yay I’m so glad you made one about Joanne! I was really hoping you would.
I am so glad to see the link wasn’t from 3 yrs ago, or so, which I seem to encounter a lot. It was new!! Which means I’ve found a new channel to love!! Thank you for the breakdown in this video. It felt like a hip, quick, film class. I woke up today to the link in my algorithm , and I’m super glad that happened . I’ll check out a lot more of your videos. Thanks for the entertainment AND just as important the insights!!
It's ALWAYS a good episode whenever a video is released on this channel, let me just put this out there.
At one point, Christine Costner Sizemore lived in my town, Reston VA. I met her a couple of times in the library. She was a lovely person.
Joanne and Paul always looked so happy when they were together. So much talent and so much love.😍
It's been a long time since I've watched "Three Faces of Eve", and I remember finding the script for it a little clunky. The direction and acting, though, was very good, and I must extend a compliment to the marvelous Lee J. Cobb, who proves (as if he needed proof) of his range: from "On the Waterfront" and "Twelve Angry Men" to "Death of a Salesman" to this.
And while I agree with the reasoning of why Kerr lost the Oscar that year, and that Woodward definitely deserved it, I am going to put forward that Sister Angela is more complex than it might appear: for one thing, Kerr has to partner up with Robert Mitchum, a powerhouse of a presence, in what is essentially a two-person story. Her character does more than hide and exposit: she is the strongly gentle way in which Mitchum's character becomes a more dimensional human being. Granted that, of the two, he is the dominant character, and it can be argued that "Heaven Knows..." is really Mr. Allison's story, but Sister Angela is more than just a dependent who needs care: she is a brave and dedicated woman who operates through quiet and faith. The performance requires a similar understatement which can go unnoticed. But take that away, or give it to a more outspoken energy, and the movie changes, not necessarily for the better.
Omg Wild is the Wind is one of my faves. Thank you for even mentioning it! Great video as always.:D
This is a great win. Joanne is astonishingly great in the film.
I really love all the additional tidbits you included about other stars/awards, etc. You’d mention something and I’d think, oh I’ll look that up later…..but you had it covered! Excellent job.❤️
Great content as always! Hope you are well on the mend from your bout with Covid-19!
Excellent video! I have seen the movie and read both the 1950s book and the true story in 1978. Thank you for putting this together.
OMG my morning has been made with this channel! Wishing everyone a Happy December ahead!
so soon after the video on blonde!!! we are so lucky!
@19:37 Damn! Miss Bower took out her Glock and tried to murder Audrey Hepburn's entire career. Miss Bower did not come to play. She came to slay.
I remember watching this in Abnormal Psychology class. I was learning about this for the first time and was fascinated. It was the best of the movies we watched for that class.
Oh hurray, a new video! I adore this channel!!
I remember reading I'm Eve in the 70's after it came out. Three faces only would have been a blessing for poor Chris Sizemore. What a life.
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As always, this was completely engrossing. You have the best content movie on TH-cam. 👏👏👏
Great video! I love Joanne and it’s worth mentioning she was also in Sybil, too!
Thank you for another beautiful and thoughtful video.
I love you and your work. Thank for each new video you post! ❤
So glad to have a new video from your lovely channel. I'm glad u also got over covid and here I was thinking that you didn't want to make any more vids jejejee... Regards from Peru
I love your videos!
Tremendous work!
I watched Wild in the Wind and it was fantastic! Thanks for the recommendation
I love how we champion Deborah Kerr in this side of the Internet. She’s absolutely fabulous 👏🏽
I don't know how many times I watched The Three Faces of Eve but I tell everyone to watch it especially those who are going through something similar.
This was really fascinating, I'm looking forward to the next video about her!
Thank you for giving this topic the weight it deserves!
Oh noes! Ana Mignoni! (I'm butchering the spelling I'm sure) and Deborah Carr!!! I love seeing other BKR alums in your vids! Man I didn't even know about Deborah Carr before this channel (in terms of her oscar dramz... I knew of her as an actress) and I CERTAINLY didn't know who Ana Mignoni was! I learn so much watching this channel as always! THanks so much
I know BKR sound design is elegantly classic, but using *Free Jazz* here in particular exceeds my expectations !
To those who may not know, *Free Jazz* is a form of Jazz this avant-garde movement emerged in 1950s-1960s in USA during the same era this video focuses on cinematically.
One of the greatest love stories of all time 😍
That "the LAST time she played a nun" cut to Black Narcissus got me lmao
Nice . Great Video. Looking Forward for More Film History. I will be in the front row. Joanne was very Marlon Brandon.
Great content, you do a wonderful job with these reviews.
Thank you very much for those full movie links! I would have gotten around to The Three Faces of Eve someday, maybe even Peyton Place, but I doubt I would have ever thought to watch No Down Payment and it was a fascinating time capsule of post-war suburbia. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Omg your cat is beautiful 😍
Your so good at your endorsements you should do advertising on the side lol also love your videos I watch them at work :)
This was such a good video. I mean, I love them all, but this is a special one for me
Fabulous channel - the unhurried meandering narration feels unscripted and the critiques are insightful and illuminating.
Thanks for the vid
This is fascinating. I love your content.
Already here!! 🎉
I can't wait for the next video about 2nd Best Actress and I think you should do about Mary Pickford's Oscar it makes me sad that there'll never be a video about Greer Garson 2nd Oscar I think she should won for Sunrise at Campobello and a diagnosis of dissociative identity disorder it's a controversial thing even for 21st century standards of mental health and psychiatry
This channel is an international treasure! (Pleeease, make a video about Diane Keaton oscar win ❤❤)
DID is a very controversial diagnosis in the psychiatric community and Sybil (another so-called multiple personality disorder) although featuring another great performance by an actress (Sally Field) was later found to be largely made up by the therapist who wrote the original book. It sounds like the inspiration for this book also had a very problematic relationship with her therapists.
yes she said that in the video
@@chloe-jl5mu I guess I should have phrased it more clearly/strongly--because of what I know about the history of psychiatry and its disrespect of women, much like with the film Julia, despite the strength of these women's performances, I just can't watch the films anymore. I just think it perpetuates the violence done to them by their therapists.
Psychiatry being a pseudoscience, who is surprised. Pls stay away from that shit if u love urself
@@cleargreen123456789 it is. It’s horrific how people with mental illnesses are commodified and their ability to express themselves is co-opted by the very people supposed to help them.
That sneak diss from Miss Bower about Audrey. Daaaaamn 😮💨😅
"Deborah Kerr, the Glen Close of the 1950's" 🤣
Lolol
Loved Kerr in "Heaven Knows"...but Three Faces was just brilliant!!
I was always a fan of hers and watched all her movies. This was my favorite.