DEEP DIVE into ORANGE WINES
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I have used this glass in this Video: RIEDEL Performance Riesling.
I have tasted the following wines in this Video:
1. 2019 Rkatsiteli Qvevri Qvevri Wine Cellar Kakheti Republic of Georgia - 25 US$
2. 2019 Matthiasson Ribolla Gialla Napa Valley USA - 61 US$
3. 2019 Weingut Muster Gräfin Steiermark Austria - 40 US$
4. 2020 Fio Wines Jo Jo Mosel Germany - 24 US$
5. 2020 Foradori Fuoripista Pinot Grigio Trentino-Alto Adige Italy - 40 US$
The 100 Point Scoring System (from www.robertparker.com):
96-100: An extraordinary wine of profound and complex character displaying all the attributes expected of a classic wine of its variety. Wines of this caliber are worth a special effort to find, purchase and consume.
90 - 95: An outstanding wine of exceptional complexity and character. In short, these are terrific wines.
80 - 89: A barely above average to very good wine displaying various degrees of finesse and flavor as well as character with no noticeable flaws.
70 - 79: An average wine with little distinction except that it is a soundly made. In essence, a straightforward, innocuous wine.
60 - 69: A below average wine containing noticeable deficiencies, such as excessive acidity and/or tannin, an absence of flavor or possibly dirty aromas or flavors.
50 - 59: A wine deemed to be unacceptable.
White wines are made by separating the solids from a grape and the juice. The juice is then fermented, and the solids are discarded. Orange wine is treated like red wine meaning that the berries are crushed and the juice then ferments in contact with the skins and seeds.
So, it is not a red, white, or rosé wine - which is made from red grapes - but a separate category: Orange. There is more to orange wine than just the color. Grape skins of white grape varieties also contain tannins, flavors, color, and acid and by leaving the skins in contact with the juice all those compounds change the wine depending on the variety.
The wines often smell more opulent and intense, and they generally have stronger tannins and a richer mouthfeel. Orange has become more important over the last few years, and it might seem like this style is a new trend but it is likely that this was the way white wine was made in the past. The country that is most closely associated with orange wines because it has been widely produced there for a long time is Georgia. Georgia is also the country with the longest track record with wine production in general dating back to 6,000 BC.
While we do not know precisely how they made wine back then it is assumed that production methods haven’t changed much since then: To this day white varieties are fermented on the skins in amphoras under the ground. It is just easier to throw the grapes into the fermentation vessel and let the yeasts do their work rather than pressing the grapes before fermenting the juice.
By extracting tannins from the skins you also get the additional benefit of making orange wine more stable which must have been a plus in times when cellar hygiene was not a concern and sulfur was not available. The greater stability is also one of the reasons why orange wines are often associated with natural wines. The natural wine movement has adopted this hands-off approach and appreciates the fact that lower levels of SO2 are required to make orange wine.
However, Orange wine is like the other wine types - red, white, and rosé - anyone can make them and today small natural wineries and huge wine cooperatives are selling orange wine.
I really like orange wines. I've been in Georgia and visited small family winery. They have both a Europinian and a Georgian way of producing orange wines. It was very interesting to compare. Here in Ukraine (before full-scale war began) almost each wine bar or restaurant had a few sample of orange wine. So it is quite popular in Ukraine. Thanks for the video!
Hope you’re doing ok.
@@numanuma20 Thank you! I`m doing ok for now. But I live in Kharkiv - the city is 30 km from the border with russia.. I believe in our Armed Forces and I am very grateful for the support of the civilized world
It's one of the things i loved about living in Ukraine, the availability of wines from less traditional countries. Though, of course, one could argue that Georgian wines are as traditional one can get. I lived in Kyiv where the famous Good Wine shop is located. They have very good Georgian wines in rotation. Best is, they don't all start at crazy prizes, so you can work your way 'up'. But Georgia has more to offer than just orange wines. I can definitely recommend undertaking a wine trip there. Slava Ukraina
@@QnA22 Героям Слава! I completely agree with you about Georgian wine trip) It is worth it.
Good Wine lost the biggest warehouse with wine for the amount of 15 000 000 $ but they continue to work no matter what
In Portugal there are not many orange wines, but recently tasted the Alto do Joa White which is amazing. Made from a selection of really old vines, some varieties not even known!
Outeiros Altos have quite a good one too. I love that with strong Iberian cheese
Joao Tavares has a very cool orange wine called Rufia, shouldn’t be too hard to find. He makes awesome low intervention wines, and his orange are awesome
Cool, gonna look those up!
Thank you! I like orange ("amber") wines a lot! Before the war, from every business trip to Ukraine I would bring as much as I could of Georgian wine, since there was plenty of it sold in Kyiv
Bit aggressive with the corks today Konstantin 😂
Thanks so much for this video! I live in Kakheti, the predominant wine making region of Georgia, and so I’m happy to see that the Georgian selection was from Kakheti. (Other regions also produce some lovely wines, but as a representative of the orange/amber style, Kakheti is the standard. The exception is maybe Iago’s Chinuri, which is out of Kartli. My favorite non-eastern Georgia wines are from Baia’s Wines in Imereti.) I’m also happy to see that the Georgian bottle is in a little more accessible price range than most of the others. Here, wine is for everyone, and so many families are still making their own wine. Okro wines out of Sighnaghi where I live is trying a new line with screw caps made for early drinking in the Georgian manner and at a lower price point. They do everything from extended kvevri fermented skin contact to pet nat, all lovely. In general, it’s a good time for Georgian wines. Lots of winemakers are taking the strengths of this 8,000 year tradition and putting their own heart and energy into it.
I’m going to join the Aussies in asking for it to be called amber wine, but from the number of times Konstantin said “orange wines” in this video alone, I fear that horse has left the barn. 😂
Much awaited video. Thank you Konstantin for this very interesting review. Also thanking Leon for a great selection. Seeing Georgian wine in this line-up was a sheer delight. Cheers.
I find that many orange wines are often very round and lack acidity, The ones Ive enjoyed the most have been funkier natural wines. The Austrian producer Meinklang's welschriesling and Grauburgunder are awesome
Awesome video! Was waiting for this one, thank you Konstantin 🙏🏻🍷👌🏻
My pleasure!
I have been waiting for this !
Great highlights of Amber wine! I have been enjoying these for about 2 years now.
Split Rail in Idaho did a great Amber Riesling. Mylan in Columbia River Gorge AVA Oregon did a great Amber Viognier using smoke tainted grapes. Absolutely wonderful. I am also a fan of the Amber Gewürztraminer by Savage Grace from Underwood, WA.
Did recently have a beautiful Amber Furmint from Slovenia too.
I love orange wines and to be honest, they are the type of wine that first got me really interested in learning more about wine! Two favorites I have ever tried are Vie di Romans Dessimis Pinot Grigio from Friuli and Movia Rebula Ribolla from Slovenia. I love the depth and richness orange wines are capable of!
Nice!!! Been looking forward to a review on these. I have a few bottles of Foradori too (Nosiola and Teroldego though... Not the Pinot Grigio).
Nice video as always. I've become a big fan of orange wines over the past few years, and have found a good few faves along the way, some surprisingly budget friendly, too. Haven't had any of these yet, but will certainly explore.
I consider myself lucky that I could taste the Foradori just a couple of weeks ago. Totally agree with you, this is a great wine!
Good wine makers make good wine.
There’s plenty of lacklustre orange wines out there because the people making them aren’t that good.
Foradori is exceptional. I still have a bottle of Myrto 2009.
I like that Total Wine actually carries orange (amber) wine from Georgia, and it's pretty inexpensive as well.
Managed to get a bottle of the Foradori, Pinot Grigio Fuoripista seems like it was the last bottle available in the UK overpaid a little but really looking forward to trying it thanks for your recommendation. I have found this channel really informative thanks for all your help.
Georgia is one of the countries where my wine career started, so those wines hold a special place in my heart - favorite variety there is Goruli Mtsvane.
Early in my wine career I heavily focused on amber wines. To this day, I think that Western Slovenia/ Eastern Italy (Goriška Brda/Collio) the overall quality is the highest from producer to producer.
That being said, what the Austrians, Aussies, and Californians are doing can be very impressive! Nice selection there.
I like all of those wines (esp Fio’s traditional Riesling) and great to show Foradori!
Thanks for putting this together. Loved hearing your thoughts. :)
Lmao
Konstantin I think it's time to come to Slovenia and try some of the best amber / orange wines!
slovenian wine is the best in this category, at least to me. love most if not all of the natural wines i've had from there, not quite as dry. unfiltered, slightly sparkling.
Love orange wines, more character and heft than the base white. A local winery (North Carolina, US) does an orange Viognier that is very good and got me into orange wines. Many thanks for your video.
I was born and grown in Georgia, seen that kvevries in real. Great country, my motherland is! And great wine producer! Glad you enjoyed that trip, Konstantin!
I like it very much ! Josko Gravner is one of my favourites! North Italy friulli wines are great ! Cheers Konstantin !
I work at a wine shop here in Southern California. We sell a pretty big selection of natural wines for the area which is mostly suburban with not a lot of specialty shops like ours. Orange wines are fantastic but I have tried many to know that just because they are orange, does not mean they are good -- or even interesting for that matter. I recently tried an orange wine from Slovakia called the Traja Boxer, it is a Sauvignon Blanc. It was the perfect amount of funky, acidic, and savory. On the other hand, there have been a couple orange wines which have left me with nasty heartburn because of how acidic they are.
"Natural" wine is what got me into the wine world in general, and I will always be thankful for that. I cannot wait to see with time and refinement what great orange and natural wines come out from all over the world.
My shop is Uptown Wine Merchant in Yucaipa, California. :)
Great video as always Mr. Baum
great content as always. And i just ordered a few bottles of the Foradori... going to bring it to my next tasting group for pinot grigio night....will probably blow a few peoples minds...
Vazisubani estate is nice example as a Qvevri wine, looking forward more wines from Georgia, some clasic ones also
In Portugal the "curtimenta" process has been around for at least 300 years and is currently popular with wines from the Vinhos Verdes region, particularly the ones heralding from producer Anselmo Mendes. Delicious full-boded orange wines that go through 6-12 months of oaking.
Thank you very informative! We just started to import orange wines from Abruzzen (based on pinot grigio from Alberto Tiberio wines) and from Marche (a blend of trebbiano and malvasia from Pietro17).
That was a great video! I was first introduced to orange wines few years ago with a spectacular Savagnin amphora from Tissot and now I love it! Konstantin, can I send you a bottle or two of goruli mtsvane that my friends produce in Georgia? It’s quite special 👌
I’ll try some of this you mentioned here,
Cheers
I haven't had the chance to taste any orange wines yet. But I will probably pick some up from my local wine store very soon and have a little tasting with my friends :)
I surprisingly like the Orange wines I’ve tried- great info, love the glasses! 🥃
In Australia we stopped calling them Orange Wines because there actually is a wine region called 'Orange'. Mainly referred to skin contact wine here these days:)
Spot on!
I think Amber or Ambré is the best name for this type of wine.
A friend of mine imports georgian wines to Germany and got me into orange qvevri wine ..love at the first sip :)
Wow I really love the color of that qvevri wine! I've had one Georgian qvevri wine before called Nine Oaks Khikhvi which is very interesting but it only spent a month in the qvevri so I bought an Orgo Rkatsiteli which spent 6 months in a qvevri so it should look very similar to the one you tried in this video although that one you tasted spent 9 months in the qvevri. This video makes me excited to finally open my bottle and try it out!
Orgo is a solid cellar, and you should get a good wine from them. Six months is definitely more old school traditional, so it’s super intense like the one tasted here, and much better with food than as a sipper. Enjoy!
@@AmandainGeorgia Thanks for the info and I found a video about Orgo on TH-cam (GEORGIA ReWINED - Ep. 5 - KAKHETI - Orgo) it was interesting to watch.
very good vid. I appreciated your points made about natural vs orange wines. I myself am very curious about orange wine and would like additional exposure to it
Very interesting. I can't buy orange wine locally, sadly. However, after your video I'll be looking online to find some. Thank you for educating us.
I was entranced with this video from the start, but then I noticed you had to cut off a wax capsule. I have asked many a Somm and tons of my friends in the hospitality and service industry and winery staff. How can you tell which wax capsules you can just get the worm into and it will come out correctly or which ones need a special way of cutting the wax off at the edge of the opening. It still baffles me and I have had successes and plenty of failures . Either way, keep up the great content
Had an orange wine for the first time last month, “Fram Grenache Gris 2020”. 10/10 orange wines are on the come up. Good video 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Fabulous show, really interesting.
I am a novice wine enthusiast who is trying to learn more and recently came across your channel. I really enjoy your videos and how you share information about the various types of wine. Thank you and please keep the great videos coming!
P.S. Sneaking in the former president in the list of things that orange wines are not named after had me chuckling 😂
Georgian wine is sooooo good.
Cheap and super high quality!
I wouldn't drink an orange wine just because it's orange, it takes quality for me to appreciate something, regardless of what category it's in. I really appreciate when a winemaker wants to make an expression of a place, grape or style, and making the wine orange is just one way of expressing that.
The fact that the methods used by such winemakers is considered by the natural wine movement to be "natural" or "hands-off" is to me just coincidental; the methods are in any case choices made by the winemaker.
One winemaker I visited in the Pfalz (Jürgen Krebs in Freinsheim) doesn't bottle any orange wines, but 25% of his Viognier (which is very good!) is fermented with skin maceration, and could have been bottled as an orange wine were it not blended with the rest of the wine which was vinified as a traditional white wine. This to me is a very interesting way to add some more texture and aromatics to the final wine, and it posed an interesting question whether the wine was a white wine, or some weird combination of white and orange wine.
I also really liked the MVØ orange wine from my visit to Weinbach, a blend of Pinot Gris and Gewurztraminer.
As it’s stated, you learn something new every day.
Often confirmed by Konstantin.
Thank you konstantin 😊
I love the wines from foradori, visited te winery last year… it was amazing… ❤
I haven't tried orange wine, but I'd like to. Especially the traditional Georgian wines.
Great reviews. Hopefully one day you will do an episode with some of the wines by Gabrio Bini
So far I love orange wines from the genuine old country, i.e. Georgia. Rkatsiteli and Mtsvane in qvevri I was always surprised and never disappointed for the 10-ish bottles I had. Other than that Orange style wines from North Italy I only had a couple but they were great.
great content as usual! what's the glassware you've been using here?
Great content as usual. One tip I have is about waxed bottles. Try removing the cork without removing the wax cap, insted just insert the corkscrew through the wax. The wax will pop just as the cork. Can’t wait for more great content! ❤
+1.
I'm sure as a Master of Wine, he might be aware of this
@@kadenmccarthy2473 I mentioned it because I saw him struggle taking the wax cap off.
I love orange/amber wines, but here in Taiwan/Asia they are very much a niche product and you pay double or triple what you pay for white wine. I've tasted a few, but don't have any in my wine collection atm, I think it's a great alternative to red/white/rose. Maybe you have to be either a wine geek and/or an adventurous wine drinker to enjoy it. Great video Konstantin and looking forward to the next one.
All of Foradori's wines are fantastic!
Great lesson. Thanks.
Oranges are very trendy in Poland nowadays and can surprise many experienced wine enthusiasts.
If you can get your hands on this one i Poland, try it - Oranž by Jaroslav Osička
Orange wine is my goto when picking stuff up at random for a casual occasion. Here in Norway they're readily available and for their price quite nice and reliable, and I really dig the citrusy to stone fruit flavor profiles a lot of them have
I recently tasted the white „Pithium“ from Bassermann-Jordan from Deidesheim, really awesome natural wine… there is also a red one which I didn‘t tried yet, it’s still waiting in the cellar 😅
Your the best, I drink more beer than wine (mostly playing disc golf) but I’m good for a bottle per week. Your videos are educational and fun. 👍🏻
Great video ! You should try "Erde" from Sepp Muster, an orange wine made with Sauv Blanc and Chardonnay, interesting wine.
I think orange wines are an extremely underrated and hugely untapped wine category with tremendous potential. Wineries need to start taking it way more seriously.
Nice video, thank you for introducing thhose orange wines
I've notice this nice Riedel glass, could you please tell which model is it?
Thank you very much
Thanks for the great video!! I made an orange wine for the first time this year, even though I know nothing beyond the theory. A friend has unknown, ancient vine, grapes in Utah (USA), and the white had such thick skins I couldn't resist. I'm a little concerned about MLB as the hybrid grapes (which these most likely are) have higher malic acid concentrations. Is diacetyl desirable in orange wines?
Interesting video. I confess I didn't know very much about orange wines. I'll keep my eye out for some.
I feel a bit ashamed but this was actually the first time that ive heard of orange wines. Really nice introduction into the topic though, thank you very much Konstantin!
No need to be ashamed, because it’s my first time too 😂
Glad you enjoyed it!
Pete being pleasant and honest are great qualities 😊
Same here. I have been enjoying and exploring wine for over 30 years but never heard of orange wine prior to this vid. I look forward to tasting a few examples!!
@@stickshifter8 yeah, i need to get a good bottle soon too!
I tryid orange wines from variety Pálava-spectacular taste, full taste🥰
Good stuff!
Orange wines are getting very popular in California. Many wine bars opening that serve nothing but orange wines. I think they're delicious.
I love Georgian wine. Had my first contact with it at a Georgian restaurant in Prague. ✌️
Never had an orange wine before but videos like this one make me want to try one soon.
Also, I see Leon missed an orange wine from Slovenia.
I read a lot about how they make good (orange) wines there and I do think the country/region is still underappreciated in the wine world.
Maybe you could do a video about the wines from Slovenia? 😬💪
Humble wish from a Slovenian 😅😅
Nice, Slovenia is doing great great stuff these days, really enjoy what's going on there!
I like Georgian wine as well. I recently found Krasno Orange Wine from your country locally and I will be trying it out soon. I've already had Halozan from Slovenia. Plenty of Slovenian wine in the US but yeah they don't get a lot of attention.
@@scififan68 wow, did not know that there's plenty of Slovenian wine in the US but I'm glad there is 😃
We'll get Konstantin to do a Slovenian wine review so they get more popular 😅
@@scififan68 Krasno is basic, low price wine, also Haložan. I'm sorry you tried the worst Slovenian wines...:D Next time do an upgrade and try some serious wines from slovenian producers living in Italy such as Podveršič, Prinčič, Terpin, Gravner....and many more, also from Goriska Brda (Slovenian Collio). I believe you can get them in US. Cheers!
Don’t even drink wine but love these vids. Makes me feel fancy lol
I like the dryer reds but don't like sweet reds or whites. My favorite white is Reisling, so I think I'll pick up some oranges and see if I enjoy them.
Konstantin found the second orange wine "a-peeling".
I see what he did there.
I've tried 2 different Orange wines and haven't liked either, but always open to trying again!
Hey Konstantin! I’m a fan of your channel and wanted to ask: is there a grape variety in particular that has more potential for orange wine?
My family has a vineyard in Canada and I’m trying to convince them to make an orange wine because I think it pairs very well with todays food.
I like the geeky “more detailed” info👍
Hey Konsta, did you tried Nosiola from Foradori? It's awesome...
I learned something here, thanks!
Glad to hear it!
This is what i needed 🙂👍
I really like orange wines and, recently, producers here in Brazil have been doing a great job producing some excellent ones!
Can you please show the year and alcohol content for every wine please? This would be interesting additional Information :-). Well done and very interesting as usual even though I am not a fan of orange wine..
Great trick when there is wax sealing. Just open it though the wax, and the cork will pull most of it off
Thanks I would have assumed orange wine would be made from oranges. Learnt something new already it’s going to be a good day
I had a couple of orange wines before - and I would love to love them - but I struggle. Call me old fashioned (admit there is an irony here given orange is old-new-fashioned), but I like yeasty notes mostly in Champagne and cider and bruised apple aromas in ciders. I believe that I had a couple of Silvaners that I liked in natural style, and yet the fact I can't recall which producer speaks for itself - or for my lack of professionalism in taking notes. Some how I do end up in line with your ratings though, as I do enjoy Grauburgunders that spent some time on the mash. (Braunewells Klopp and Teufelspfad for instance.)
Thanks for another great wine review! I'm a huge fan of amber wines. However, as a WSET student I'm inclined to agree with one significant criticism about this kind of wine. Actually, it was mentioned in the review - the problem of amber wine identification in blind tasting. It seems like amber wines are more about technique than the grape variety and terroir. Recently I visited the amber wine fest in Wien. There was an incredible amount of great amber wines from all over Europe. And while I enjoyed the quality and the diversity of styles very much, still the problem of terroir and variety remained unsolved. I shall much appreciate your opinion about this matter.
Never had an orange wine. I think one of the problems is that they aren't readily available.
You should also try the Julian orange from lieselehof😉
I've always wondered why every homemade white wine in Bulgaria has that different color than the store bought. Now I realize it's all orange wine. I've never seen anyone remove the skin from the juice.
Nice video!! Just one question how does pinot grigio orange wine does not become rose🧐
Where do the yellow wines (vin jaune) of Jura fit in?
I've never tried them, but I like the concept very much, leaving skins in. We import mostly organic red from east Italy, plus other wines from Canada. I would be interested in skin contact wine from EU. That would be easier for us to consolidate our organic red and organic Belgian chocolates. I am not necessarily looking for organic skin contact wine. That might be hard to come by, but I am looking for very low SO2 content, hopefully not exceeding 50 PPM. Heavy metal are also should be in LOQ region.
I love introducing friends to orange wines. Just have to get through explaining that it is an orange wine (skin contact), not an orange wine (made from oranges), or an Orange wine (from the wine region around Orange, NSW in Australia).... unless it's one of a handful of skin contact wines produced in the Orange wine region 🤔
Very interesting as always Konstantin! I have only tried 2 orange wines, one from Long Island (NY) and one from...Pennsylvania. Both were very pleasant and unique. I struggled a bit with food pairing until I realize they were actually just matching almost anything, as you suggested. As for the wines tasted here, it seems that the first and last are the most representative of the kind. The Californian, as always, is overpriced.
I LOOOVE orange wine.
One suspects that orange wines are not well known, I mean that they will not taste like oranges.. Its good to have Konstantin to put us right on basic stuff like this.. 🤣🌟👍
Very interesting video. Your ratings were quite high in general.
In the category of Austrian orange wines, you should try Flora by Michael Gindl.
yes!!!
For me as a lover of brandy I like wines like these because they often taste a bit oak barrel just like brandy :)
A lot of people in the wine world think orange wines are just faulty but there's more to them than that, some are really good made and I think they are really food friendly wines that go with a wide range of dishes. From my country, Argentina, Alma Negra Orange is probably the best i've tasted in this style. Cheers!
PS: just out of curiosity, what do you do with all those bottles, you drink 'em all, you give some as a gift to someone...?
Haha, you can just pop right through the wax capsule with the screw and proceed als normal. One time trying to peel it off was lesson enough for me
I usually don't comment on youtube videos but when I do I have to appreciate the fact that a master of wine uses star wars- and simpsons-(probably kühne?)senfgläser to show us how its done.
Danke, Hombre. Hast meinen Tag erquickt. :D
Sure thing 😁
Do non-german folks actually get your sense of humour? :)
I've tried a few on the local market, but I always find myself underwhelmed by them. I can always think of half a dozen whites, at a lower price as well, that I'd rather be drinking.
Can someone tell which grapes are shaped to become Orange Wine? I would like to read species and/or qualities that make a grape worthy of it. Thanks in advance to all answers!!
I really love my qveri wines