Maxxis Assegai vs Minion DHF vs Minion DHR II vs Shorty | Which is best for you?
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- The Maxxis Assegai, Minion DHF, Minion DHR II, and the Shorty are all great front tires for your mountain bike. However, each tire definitely rides a bit differently from one another. In this video, Russ and Mike give reviews of how each tire rides, and then compares them to help figure out which is best for you in various conditions.
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0:00 - Intro
0:40 - Assegai Overview
2:57 - Minion DHF Overview
4:29 - Minion DHR II Overview
6:09 - Shorty Overview
7:49 - Assegai vs Minion DHF
13:00 - Minion DHF vs Minion DHR II
15:26 - Minion DHR II vs Assegai
17:55 - Shorty vs Assegai, DHF, DHR II
19:11 - Shorty vs everything
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Which front tire you have now? Do you like it or would you rather try something different?
DHF front DHR back no complaints at all. I'm accustomed to the arr sh1t momentary loss of grip with the dhf when leaning my bike. Gona give assi a try now though, you've convinced me
Assegai all the way. Changed from the DHF and never going back. Such a fantastic and forgiving tire.
Dfr front aggressor rear
Dhr2 front and rear. Open to options but dont wanna add rolling resistance
DHRII front and rear, all year around and all weather
Best quote: "I really like it in the rear", when referring to the DHR II.
There’s some debate about it actually being R for “rear”.
@@MiloLife for what else should it stand?
And what’s the F in DHF for then?
@@MiloLife not really, maxxis confirm it to mean rear
Because it is.
@@rolux4853 freeride and race
Been waiting for this 1. Nice work guys!!! Keep em coming.
Assegai is an amazing front trail / all mountain tyre. The DHF is also a solid tyre and is available in a wider range of sizes, including fat and plus sizes. 👌
Great review! Just what I needed when trying to decide which front tyre I should get so decided on the DHR2 🤙🏻
I ride in southern New Mexico (rocky, sandy, loose of hard, mostly flat turns & zero loam).
The Assegai has inspired new levels of confidence in the turns on the full-sus. I'm very happy with it, and I feel no need to try any other tire options.
My hard-tail 29+ runs DHR II's front and rear - grip for days!!! It's also one of the only tires I can find now that 29+ is going extinct.
Assegai front, DHRII rear DHR2 has a habit of letting go and dropping the front end but it grips so hard before that moment you drop very hard when it goes, assegai comes back from a slide in general. The dhrII paddle rear climbs really well
I went from Dissector in Front and REkkon in the back, to DHF in front and Dissector in the back, to Assegai in Front to DHR2 in the back... and climing is freaking harder :) I think the best combo I had so far was DHF/Dissector
Love these tires. I run the Assagai 2.6 on my Ripmo f&r, and the DHF and a DHR II in 2.6 on my turbo levo. With a good suspension tune these things stick like a train on a track!
Assegei up front with a DHF in the rear, best combo I’ve ran
I've only had bad experiences when running a dhr up front, especially when it's like marbles on the track, traction just disappears out of nowhere with no warning, it wasn't too bad in the wet but the dhf always felt superior for everything and the assegai always felt better again in all conditions
Do I need a new front tire right now? Nope. Did I still watch this video and take notes? Yep. I was between a DHF and DHR...so looks like I'll be getting the Assegai haha
^^^^^^^^THIS IS ME^^^^^^^^^^^
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Dhr II front is actually better than dhf in my opinion. When it breaks traction it’s super predictable.
Ya im done with the DHF Front or rear the Assegai is a way better tire . I'll never put another DHF On my bike again ran 4 all the same pretty much .
Assegai 2.5 DD Casing Front
DHR2 2.4 DH Casing Rear
I'm just learning about tires so don't roast me lol but why run the DD in the front considering it takes the full brunt of the trail?
@@nyreppin1 your rear takes more abuse as it is being dragged down the trails especially steep rocky sections.
Funny and informative, marvellous 👏👏
My new giant reign came with an assegai front and dhr rear. And living in SoCal I don’t even think about wet performance all I care about is how well it grips in nasty loose rock gardens and loose berms
I ride Magic Mary,s Soft gravity or Ultrasoft dh/ front and Maxxis DRR II Exo rear, great combo for me.
Thanks for sharing your expirience
I went Vittoria Mazza from DHF. It sheds mud well, does not have vagueness in the corners and grips wet roots and rocks better.
I just got som Morsa 2.6 for front...normally use DHF 2.3 so should be more grip?
I've been using a Rekon since the summer. It has been pretty good in most conditions
The DHR II came as an OEM
front with my Canyon Spectral, too. I might try it on the rear instead of the OEM Aggressor.
This presentation is super cool ! 2:10 LOL !
Love the Assegai in the front, even in mud. But I don't know if I agree that it has got a great rolling resistance. It's a good compromise I would say!
I switched from a DHR2 to an Assegai today and I now understand the hype
Bonus for the Assegai: you can take the brakes right off your bike and rely on just the rolling resistance to slow you down. Better than Codes.
😂😂
I've found the DHF to be much more predictable in terms of when it's going to "let go" then the assegai. DHF has always given me a warning before it goes... Where as the assegai for me has let go unexpectedly on me numerous times... But it will save it self right at the last second. But has been pretty scary. Never had a DHF do that. But other then that love both tires.
I Found The DHF Abit Loose On the Cornering Transition Its Predictable But There
Just tried the Assegai. It did well on loose over hard but the Minion performs better for me over chuck and marbles. Plus the Assegai runs a little narrow. 2.6 measures about 2.5. I'd like it to be a little wider for my taste. I do wish the Minions had transition knobs though.
For strictly downhill I'd go for Assegai with Max Grip only, no other compound with that tire. Or I'd go DHR 2 on the front and still have massive confidence on every situation.
I wish I could run the assegai but I need it in a 2.3 or 2.4 so I'm running the dhf minion 2.3 instead with the 2.3 aggressor in the rear I love this combo
I ride vittoria tires and love them. But Maxxis is my second choice
Assegai front, love it..
Y’all rock
There are just too many tyres to choose from.
Great video!
Assegai does great in wet too I live in Scotland and it rains almost every day 😆 also used on front and rear throughout winter and worked really well
I was thinking of going Assegai in the rear, and you just answered me before I could post the question... Thx! :)
@@techtoth1 If you ask me...for most conditions assegai is king. I find it's a superior tyre in almost every aspect compared to DHF/DHRII, except maybe really dry/hardpack conditions and rolling speed in the rear.
@@lucaspeters1463 I'm curious to try it for the rear. At the moment work is going so bad, that I'll have to stick to the Eddy Current until it becomes a qualifying slick... :)
I've seen people move their Assegai to the rear and pop a Shorty on the front for the wet months, and it seems to be a nice combo. Contemplating doing just that this Fall/Winter.
Assegai is a combination of a DHF a HighRoller and a Shorty! Minnaar´s description not mine
Nice comparison. I have ridden all but the Shorty on the front (not that much mud in Australia, or at least where I live). All great tires but I would agree the Assegai is the grip and predictability king. It’s horses for courses though and you didn’t go much into the bikes they are on.
On my 170mm travel enduro bike there is no reason not to go with the Assegai (if you’re running Maxxis). I have a lightweight 130mm trail bike too though (Yeah, I know, but my car is a 16 yr old bomb, it’s all about the bikes). With this bike I want to keep the rolling resistance and inertia low, it’s all about speed and efficiency. The trails where I ride this bike are more XC but have some deep sand in places. I run a 2.6” Minion DHF in a 120tpi EXO casing. It’s big, floats on sand, and is light and grippy, just a bit fragile, but I am low risk on this type of trail. There is no Assegai in this spec. It wouldn’t really make sense, as the Assegai tread suits bashing though stuff.
As you say, the DHR II is a decent front tire too and is good to move to the back when you need a sharper front. It is my go-to rear tire.
Sounds like Lysterfield. DHF is so bad there, I've washed out a few times due to the sandy nature of the tracks. Assegai on the other hand is awesome as it hangs on like crazy.
I find my experience quite different on the Assy DHF and DHR in the wet.
I'm a low skilled rider with a Whyte T-130, in summer my preferred set up is now Dissector front Rekon/Aggressor rear as most riding is downcountry sort of thing, I've found keeping the tyres as light duty as I can get away with really helps the bike feel and my confidence over overall grip from chunkier tyres.
However in the wet and mud I find I don't have the confidence to lean into the DHF so can't corner properly on it.
I tried an Assy but I found it really lacked directional stability on slick mud which the DHF has tons of.
The weight and carcass damping was also killing the feel of the bike, so now I had no confidence upright and no way I'm gonna trust a lean.
Which lead me to putting the DHR up front which with it's wide blocks gives tones of braking confidence and the ability to lean without the channel gap.
It's also the lightest of the 3 so the agility is pretty good.
I ran it yesterday in a very wet sloppy claggy mud rooty race and the front end was giving me great feedback and confidence, didn't let me down once.
For now It means the Dissy had to go out back and it wasn't a fan of the wet roots but did very well considering.
I fancy getting a DHR DC for the rear for those sorts of rides.
Dissector f and Aggresor r here, too. Better rolling while still being very grippy
@5:02 Bro really said, "I really like it in the rear". If the boys in the shop didn't already save that snippet of the video, are they really friends?! LMAO
We have super soft soil in the woods and not too much elevation, so the trails are quite pedaly. The best setup I came up with so far: very light versions of the 2.6 dhf/maxterra 120tpi in the front / 2.4 dissector/maxterra 60tpi in the back, both with cush. For me the goldy lock zone between controllability and controlled chaos when needed. Not too tiring on the ascents, (you can feel the difference to softer / heavier tires instantly) a bit faster on the way down... Easier for me to break traction when I want. - Good content, as always! - Cheers guys!
I am pretty sure the exo/exo+ assegia are lighter than dhf counterpart. I’m running the exo+ maxgrip assegia/exo maxterra dissector combo and love it.
Hey man, great tire selection!
Your conditions seem a lot like mine, I need to pedal about 85% of the time in very soft forest soil for about 8 months of the year.
Very few real downhill sections and the few that are here last only for some seconds.
I’m really interested in why you have cushcore inserts in your tires!
You have soft soil and not much elevation, for what do you need that extra security?
No offense, I’m just interested why one would choose them in conditions similar to mine.
Yes I have bigger roots in between the soft soil, but it always feels like my tires alone can handle them without any problems.
I have Santa Cruz Reserve Carbon wheels and I never hit the rim.
I however have to say that I run fairly high tire pressure because of all the pedaling my trails involve.
With too low tire pressure the pedaling gets very exhausting and annoying, so I sacrifice a bit of traction for better efficiency.
I’m fortunate to have at least some jumps and drops, but I never thought about adding cushcore.
I always thought it’s only for the hardest conditions where you hit super high drops and have big square edged sharp rocks, that go right through your tire and damage the bead of your rim.
So can you please explain the benefits you get from riding cushcore in that type of terrain?
What bike and what suspension travel you ride in your conditions would be very interesting to know too!
I ride a Santa Cruz Tallboy V4 with 130mm in the front and 120mm in the back.
Due to the Lower Link VPP the 120mm in the back feel more than enough for my conditions all while being super efficient while pedaling and having immense pop to use every little root or rock as a kicker to get air!
Thanks in advance for your answer!
@@matthewsailor6419 Hey Matthew. The comparable Assegai (29" with 2.6mm) is around 145g heavier. Totally negligible of course. Maybe some day I´ll put an Assegai on and say that its so much better... or not :D But for now my inner Monk is satisfied - I actually need to admit, that the dissector is exceeding my expectations man. Sick piece of rubber and exactly what I was looking for.
@@rolux4853 Hey! Nah of course I don´t feel offended or so :D All good. I´ll try to explain my thoughts on that.
I need to admit that I changed a lot at once because I was having a plan, and did not take my time to compare things 1:1 so I can only tell about what I think I feel.
My bike is a 2020 stumpjumper evo 150/140mm - 29" tires. - A bit weak on the damper but an awesome combo.
I also take my bike to parks or places where I can ride flowy stuff and rooty rutty enduro lines. But the trail bike would mostly be used here where I live and this has pretty much the scenario that you also describe.
Well...
But since I buy everything that I replace in "slightly lighter" I wanted to go the same route on the tires and made up my mind about rotational mass and also about how the weight of the wheels affect the acceleration of the bike.
A problem was that here on this super soft soil and sandy parts I always sink in a bit and when the tire is too soft or when the knobs are too big, then I get even slowed down on the decent in a way that I can feel it. I wanted to get rid of that feeling that I´m always fighting against the resistance.
I just tried to isolate the factors a bit.
So I switched the tires to the Dissector and the DHF. Rolls faster, I can break traction easier when I need it and so on, without running smaller tire widths or high pressures in the tire.
Why do I want to keep running lower pressures? I want my tire to hug every root, stone or whatever comes my way on technical climbs or the way down. I´m riding fast, but I´m no Reece Wilson who´s flying over everything with huge momentum. So the lower pressure gives me a notch more grip. This is also one of the reasons why I run the tires tubeless. You can go down with the pressure a bit.
And why now cush core?
The fist reason for me was, that the the core sits tight on the rim and does a really good job ad reinforcing the carcass. You don´t burp or roll the tire and corners became somehow more predictable for me.
Secondly snake bites can always happen when you do not have much air between the tire and the rim and... with cush core this is no factor anymore. With that extra bit of security I was also immediately choosing different lines.
A third thing was the idea to give the tire a different progression by decreasing the air volume but not the air pressure or choosing smaller width tires.
Well yeah of course the rim protection is also a nice plus :)
Overall I think I was kinda able to achieve what I was looking for as I was building up my new tires.
guys, love the chanel, this thing called mtb is forever evolving and vids like this help me keep my head on straight. anyways I could use some insight on my new setup, haven't ran it yet and now kinda skeptical ... nukeproof scout 275 (hardtail) with 30mm rims, Assegai 2.5 maxxterra exo+ front & center, Aggressor 2.3 DC DD out back. Any thoughts..??
I rode the Crossmark which was awesome on my MTB as a former BMX guy. Need a tubeless 27.5 tire for my SE Racing PK Ripper 27.5 to get better traction on dirt. Any recommendations?
i think of the DHF as the Bikepark "A-line" Tire front and rear... fast rolling, braking not an issue, railing corners on Hardpack.
DHR2 Steep and deep, just get down the hill in controll ... seems to shed mud a little better for me... does't corner great, but predictable
Have't gone Assegai or Shorty... but been thinking oft them two for Summer/Winter or Magic Mary allround
DHR2 out back tends to grip nicely on corners, but even so will still get drifty on loose corners, and will deflect sideways off roots, but it's always predictable and pretty much any tire will do the same with varying degrees of predictability
Hi good tyre fairly sure footed I've had the front slide on me a few times in really loose or mud .what pressure would you run on a e bike thanks
I've been running a 2.6 Assiegai F&R (S Wisconsin) for 2ish years.... NOT planning on changing it anytime soon.
The DHF is a great tire and the Assigai definitely is an updated tread design that has a lot of advantages, especially with the transition that takes a little getting to know the DHF. Since going to wider i35 rims, I’m using 2.6” in front. I’ll probably try the Assigai, now that they have that size
2.5 Assegai works really well on a 35mm rim
I' m running a 2.6 assagai on a 30 mm internal rim and love it have tryed it on a 35 and it was sick have two bikes almost identical one with i35 mm rims one with i30 front and i35 rear running 2.8 rear 2.6 front and its awesome the 35mm rims with 2.5 maxxis shortys f and r feels a bit harsher dont know if its the stiffer rims or the 60 tpi tyres the 120 tpi tyres feel more bouncy easier to jump and pop of stuff and i think they roll faster . Food for thought .
I just love love love love love the dhr as front tire, to me its just sooo predictable, incredible braking power and fast'ish rolling! I feel the dhf and assegai is too unpredictable ... or maybe I just gotten to know the dhr so well that its predictable to me because I've used it as front tire for years, only trying the assegai and dhf a couple of time - might be lots of subjectivity there ... Also had my worst crash ever with front tire washout with dhf which colors my opinion on that tire ...
My Scout came with a 2.5 Assegai on the front. I overcorrected in a sandy turn when I first got the bike, and it didn't wash out! Was blown away. Tire or head angle? Both?
I soon put 35mm rims on the bike, looking to go with 2.6/ 2.8 tires. To save weight, I went with Nobby Nics - they seemed fine on previous bikes. The 2.8 Nic on the front had less grip in sandy dirt (FL terrain) than the 2.5 Assegai!
After one ride on the Nic, I researched and ordered a new 2.8. The lightest grippy tire I could find was a DHF. I wish the Assegai came in a light supple version, but the DHF has been great
Magic mary front and dhr2 rear is another nice combo I use
Interesting
thanks
I like assegai front dhr2 rear nice 👌
What are all of your thoughts on running a 2.4 or 2.5 Assegai on a NON-WT 25mm Kovee Comp rim? I converted my 21 Trek Roscoe 8 to a 29er and want a bit more bite than my Rekon 2.25's front and rear.
I love this. It makes me a little sad though. Running minions was a childhood dream of mine. Genuinely. It just never happened for one reason or another and now that the assegai exists I feel like I should still run a minion just to appease my inner child lol. But it goes to show how good the minion really is! It literally took decades to dethrone the minion. And it shows how good the assegai really is if people are saying it’s replacing their minion. Like. Many have tried. None have succeeded. Until now. 😂
Me too😁😁😁😍😍assagi all the way, dhf is awesome 👌but assagi is one step up 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🚴♀️🚴♀️🚴♀️
The last two DH Bike checks on Pinkbike show Loic Bruni and Troy Brosnan running DHRII’s front and rear
They change tires depending on course. DHR2 on both ends was probably a faster, more park-like course and they're trying to pick up some rolling speed. For Leongang, a lot of em ride Assegais front and rear, or Shortys/Wetscreams if it's muddy.
I am using a Shorty in dry desert conditions and so far it has been solid. Have been considering the DHF but starting to wonder about the Assegai too.
Assegai works really well in loose conditions.
I like the shorty in the dry dusty stuff seams to still work right up till its dead the dhf is good but nobs start tearing of when a bit worn assagai is really good right up till its almost smooth i think the shorty is faster than the assagai but the assagai is more consistant as you lean it over there all good but assagai is best even if its a bit slower rolling .
What do you think of the Schwalbe Eddy Current ?
How noticeable is the rolling resistance on the Assegai compared to the DHF?
RIP Maxxis Swampthing Supertacky. Awesome DH mud tyre.
Assegai is good, What is the settings of your fox 38 and your weight? Thank you 🙏
Assegai / minion SS & Shorty / dissector might be what I'll be doing from now on (I don't have a Shorty yet)
Dissector side knobs wear very very fast. Found the Aggressor to be a much better alternative.
Coming from dirt bikes and 40 something years of experience I know what tyres perform. Regular square shaped blocks in a straight orientation. You lean over straight sideways you stop and accelerate in a straight direction. The Assegai is OK because it's a version of this principle.
Totally! I've only been riding dirt bikes for about 2 years but one thing I've noticed between tires on mountain bikes and moto is that you have to keep rolling speed much more in mind for mountain bikes. Without an engine and only your legs propelling you up the hill, choosing a tire setup that keeps your legs and lungs happy on the climb is super important!
-Mike
What is about High Roller II - I love it
hello. what is the best Maxxis for grip on regular roades (asphalt or concrete). 29x2.1 to 2.3. commuting in town, nothing extreme, i want grip on straight line and cornering on dry and wet asphalt. assegay is not available in 2.3 (maximum i can equip on my rim)
thanks
Love both assegai and dhf, go for a dhf if you pedal around but more
I put a dissector 2.4 on the front and aggressor 2.3 rear
max speeeeed
Thanks for vid! I went for a Hans Dampf front, because of those intermediate knobs (same as your thinking) but am finding out a not really homogenous behaviour. It kinda skips a bit, and then grips well. But that split second is a bit unnevering. Will try the Assegai to see if Maxxis solved the matter in a better way.
Magic Mary also has intermediate knobs, and is much more aggressive. It is probably the closest non Maxxis tire to the Assegai.
Schwalbe basically only have one front tire, the magic Mary. But therefore the MM is working fine in pretty much all terrain
Yeah, thanks, but the Magic Mary is a bit similar to the Eddy Current, which I already tried; I wanted to experience something different. A bit more "spaced" on the external.
Ok, I need to add that I went out after a few rainy days, and I must say the Hans Dampf performed really well. Probably the superdry terrain I encountered previously were not its piece of cake... But it wasn't for the denser knobs of the Eddy Current, too... Guess that kind of terrain is still to be worked out perectly by tire manufacturers...
It's not the first time I read online about inconsistency with the Hans Dampf and I don't see it as a popular tire in the Schwalbe line up. Magic Mary, Big Betty, and Nobby Nic seem more popular. I'd like to try a Magic Mary up front with either a Big Betty or Nobby Nic on the rear for more downhill riding, but I'm also quite happy with Nobby Nics front and rear as an all-around tire.
I am trying to use the dissector as the front tire. I am a downhill rider who enjoys continuous, many roots and rock gardens, and I drive on dry trails. Do you recommend a dissector as a front tire?
We tend to recommend the Dissector as a rear tire. We think the Assegai would be a great option for a lot of traction on roots and rocks in dry conditions.
Front tyres are easy. Now the industry needs to finally design a decent rear tyre. Tough as hell casing, not a ridiculous weight, grippy but not too draggy, sadly you can’t have all those so its a compromise. Fast rolling is crap grip and grippy is a drag. However the greater problem is casings. EXO useless on the back in the rough, EXO +.....maybe but Double Down is silly heavy.
Try a magic mary rear. Assagai front. Infinite engagement
I Just got a 2.50 Assegai Will Be My Next Front 😎 The DHF Has Another Few Weekends In It
That 2.5 Assegai has been the gold standard for the last few years, you're going to be HOOKING up out there!! -Tor
Now Running Assegai F/R 2.5 DD MG F 23Psi 2.5 EXO+MT R 23Psi Tires Are AMAZING was at Whistler Yesterday 😎GoodTimes
how would you recommend a shorty on the rear?
Assguy front and dhf rear (2.6 front and back) for me where I ride.
I would like to know what width you guys like to run up front / rear generally. Do you find the 2.6s have significantly more traction or do you guys stick to the 2.4/5 generally . I bought an 2.6 Assegi and a 2.6 rear Dissector to try. But the weight penalty is there.
The 2.60 sizes have a good bit more volume and a larger overall diameter compared to the 2.4/2.5. Generally this allows you to run a bit lower pressure for increased traction. Some people like the plush feeling but others like the more precise feedback provided by a narrower tire.
@@MaxxisTiresUSA thanks
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Front. 29 x 2.50
Rear. 27.5 x 2.50
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Hi! I currently run a 2.4 width DHR 2 in the rear, and a 2.3 maxxis shorty in front. Should I switch them? Because they keep telling me you should run a wider tire up front for enduro. Also the dhr2 is a bit heavier than the shorty
While we generally do recommend a wider tire up front, the Shorty is a much better front tire than the DHR II (in most conditions) and would therefore encourage you to keep your set up how it is.
high roller on the front and as thats what i bought the bike with lol guessing i should put that on the back and try the assegai?
Assegai - tried once and took off after three rides. Whilst it has great grip, it's noticeably slower rolling, and for my style of riding the compromise wasn't worth it. If you ride a lot of peddally sections its not very fast. Even on downhills I found that sections where I used to freewheel and still pick up speed I had to pedal with the Assegai. This was data based observation as I ride with the same people and used to pass them on the downhill without needing to pedal, until using the Assegai. If you ride mostly steep downhills with no peddally bits its well worth while to use the Assegai. EDIT: I am 197cm tall and weigh in at 115kg-120kg so am always going to be faster downhill than someone who weights less, and therefore a slow rolling tyre is a lot more noticeable. The weight also wears tyres side knobs out super quick.
Did you run Assegai front of both front/rear ?
@@alexboo3512 No, only front. I used the DD Casing and Max Grip compound. Different casing and compound would be slightly better rolling I guess. Ran a DHF EXO + 3C Terra compound on the rear
PS: Just got a new bike. It came with Schwalbe Magic Mary front and Big Betty Rear and they are awesome tyres so far. Great grip and rolling resistance is reasonable. Previous new bike also came with different Schwalbes but was put off by poor grip and tyre life. Time will tell if these new ones last any better.
What do you run in the front
@@broncos_8964 Magic Mary 29" 2.6 Orange compound Super Trail casing, Bg Betty 2.4 rear same casing and compound as the front.
I am an Assegai myself.
You should have made another rear tire video. For the time being, the Assegai makes every other tire a rear tire. Time for the competition to step up their game.
This is actually a sequel to the Maxxis rear tire video we made last fall!
@@TheLostCo I know, and a shootout between all the brands wouldve been much more interresting. Because, well, see above, every other tire is a rear tire now. :p
yo first comment, massive respect to you guys!
Mixing up weather dependent with ground conditions dependent. IMO the DHR beats the DHF in ever condition except very soft loam and mud.
I run the shorty almost all year round
when they dont say the wet scream is a good front tyre... its so good for riding the thick Australian dust
Aggreed i run the shorty in really loose dust or loose sand it works really well in oz.
What rolls better, DHR II or Assegai on the front, compound being the same 3CMT?
DHR II is going to roll better, Assegai is going to have more grip, especially in the transition. As long as you're doing your part, the Assegai is rarely if ever going to break loose when cornering. That said, the DHR II does seem to be predictable enough that it shouldn't be spooky or surprising once you've gotten the feel for it. Also, in a full lean, the DHR II is going to grab a little bit better with those more aggressive shoulder knobs. So Assegai = better grip throughout the transition, but will feel less secure in a full lean.
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Like to the New #maxxismtb vercio of thes so. Assegai vs Minnion and DHF vs Minnion DHR ll vs Schorty so which is best for yuo #mountainbike thanks guys. Russ and Mike to choume guys of #ridelost. Saluds of Chile 🇨🇱 🤟🏻🗣️yyaaSicke
Just replaced my old assegai in front with DHF and it is a step back. It just seems there is less grip and worse cornering feel. Assegai all the way. But it's horrible in mud. It does not shed mud at all and it basically becomes a slick tire. Will need some more mud friendly tire for autumn/winter
You have to commit to lean the bike. I ride a lot of loose over hard off cumber stuff and for me the DHF feels better. You don't have the transition knobs but the side knobs feel better.
I saw Melamed running a DHRII in 2.5”. Why can i only find 2.4 and 2.6 for sale. Does he get fancy pro only stuff?? Btw, running a DHRII 2.4 on the front and love it for hard pack tight turns but feels thin at the bike parks…
2.50 DHR II is for team use only right now since Maxxis sells 2.40 and 2.60.
Never have been a fan of dhf, for me better high roller, you should include in this test because greg minaar take the side noobs design from hr, and was one of his favourite tyres.
IS the Assegai in the rear?
For me all these Maxxis tyres have bit of problems. Since I am a big dude and I ride an emtb, the system weight is pushing 300 lbs. EXO casing just does not work, not even just in the front. Also, since I live in the north, in sub freezing temperatures the rubber Maxxis is using (at least Maxx Terra and Maxx Grip) freeze and begin cracking. So, they cannot be used for 3-4 months of the year.
I have ran DHF in Maxx Terra and Maxx Grip in EXO and they worked pretty darn well in most trail conditions. I just managed to puncture them all too easily. Maybe I'll try a EXO+ or DD one day if I feel like changing from my Vittoria Mazza. Maxx Grip is awesome when it comes to grip, but rolls very slowly. Even Maxx Terra seems to have better grip in the wet roots and rocks than the Vittoria. But, the Vittoria is very durable and lasts for much longer time. Also, it rolls faster.
Assegai in Maxx Terra is very grippy, but again the EXO casing squirms and the knobs fold all too much, esp. in wet roots and rocks. Probably DD casing would be the sweet spot. For that grip you'll have to give up some rolling speed though.
I have not ran DHR2 or the new Shorty in the front yet. I'll try to get to testing the Shorty when the wet season begins. I very rarely run in the dry, so I cannot see myself running DHR2 in the rear.
If you’re a big guy riding an ebike you should in be on DD or dh casing, it’s not a problem with maxxis tires you don’t have the proper tire for your application.
@@CalgaryDynastar I second that. All emtbs should be equipped with dd or dh casing off the jump. Lots of benefits and no drawbacks since tire weight really won’t be an issue.
@@matthewsailor6419 exactly, I don’t get why someone would worry about lightweight casings when pedaling a 40-50 lb bike, I’d be more worried about having a tire that can take the beating. Once my current exo+ are done I’m moving to DD on my 5010.
You can’t blame Maxxis when your clearly not in their „target group“ when developing these kind of „regular“ trail tires.
The average male human being weighs between 70 and 85 kilogram and of course they develop their most common tires for this group, because they get the most customers.
Same goes for suspension manufacturers and their range of adjustments.
Luckily in this day and age they also develop tires that can withstand a hella lot of abuse, without the need for downhill casings!
The DD casing is a prime example of that.
It’s clearly a user error when you ride the exo casing while weighing that much.
Go for DD and you get amazing tires that don’t have a problem with your heft.
Don’t take it as „fatshaming“ or any other bullshit, it’s just the way how companies work.
They have a specific target group where they can make the most money of.
Naturally they develop most of there stuff for these people.
In Mountainbiking that’s the averagely fit to mildly overweight male.
Also I ride Exo and Exo+ casing in freezing temperature to -20 degree Celsius and I never ever had problems with cracking tires or anything like this - I never even heard of this.
This winter I rode about 1200km on 29“ 2.6 Maxxis DHF Exo+ MaxxGrip in the front and 2.6 Maxxis DHR II Exo+ MaxxTerra in the back.
I had good grip, average rolling resistance, absolutely no cracking and no folding side knobs.
@@rolux4853 I am blaming anyone who spec EXO casing tyres in EMTBs that are meant to be ridden on demanding trails.
i haven't had an assegai that didn't wobble out of the box and i am tired of sending two to four tires back and forth, just to get one, that dosen't wobble. seems like they have a porblem with the mold. dhr ii in the front for me!
True, same with my last hr2 and dhf, but i have only got that Problem with dd and dh tyres. My exo shorty is fine.
The best front tyre is the Magic Mary.
Which tire pattern is best for riding the rocky AF trails of SOCAL?
Man, that's a tricky one to name just one as the "best"! But the Assegai front and Dissector rear is pretty amazing no matter where you live.
-Mike
would you pair DHF front and shorty rear on wet conditions?
You'd probably be better with a Shorty at the front for ultimate grip as usually on a bike you need the most amount of grip on the front rather than the rear. Then the DHRII on the rear due to the lower rolling resistance compared with the Shorty and the better mud clearing than the DHF. DHF is a great front tyre 9 months of the year though.
Minion front and rear on 29 wheel
The bad thing about the Assegai is that it does not come in 2.3 size, only 2.5 width which sucks. 2.5 is boring as hell (for old men) , 2.3 is lively, more precise and a hell of a lot more fun. I sure hope Maxxis will consider making it available in 2.3 until they do it will have to be the DHF for me. Or a different brand.
I Run 2.5s F/R Riding Whistler in the AM WORKS AWESOME
I almost didn't recognize Russ without his hat
Will you put assegai front and rear all year round? As an all arounder?
Hey Wil! The Assegai definitely works great on both the front and rear end and whether or not you run it year round definitely depends on the weather where you live! If you get a super wet and rainy season like we do here in Bellingham, then it could be a good idea to switch to something like the Shorty to handle that mud a bit better. Or if you're in somewhere that doesn't get much rain year round then you would be perfectly fine running the Assegais all year round! -Tor
@@TheLostCo cool! I got the assegai and DHR2. ill test the assegai first(front and back to see the difference between the feel from the dissector... since the DHR is proven good with hard packed and wet/ little muddy. Assegai F/R see how it runs! thanks for the great feedback tor! keep shreddin'
I now prefer the Assegai, but it doesn't seem to wear as well as the DHF has in the same compounds.
I prefer the Assegai so much that I haven't considered switching back so I've never thought about the wear compared to the DHF, haha.
-Mike