@@youraverageavgeek2918 Maybe, but it was also because of the backstory of the members of PKN having Down's Syndrome, and just how many people knew of them because of that.
@@youraverageavgeek2918 Nahh, I think is because they have down syndrome and they were still absolutely killing it! The bookmakers maybe thought that the world will sympathize and vote them high...but the song is just not good. Indeed though, there are countries that buy their odds placement as we have seen with Malta this year.
Unfortunately I don't have all datas for a video like this :( If someone of you has some screenshots of betting odds before rehearsals in 2011-2014 it would fantastic to send them to me.
Different Eurovision fan websites like eurovoix.com etc. Especially for this video escxtra.com/2021/03/29/eurovision-odds-14-years-history/ but there are just top 10 / 15 of the odds before rehearsals...
@@PlatinSam I thought there was a website where you could go back in time on websites. Sadly I forgot how it's called (and I don't even know if it still exist/works) - but maybe that will make it easier to look up such data?
The final seemed almost like a drawn out weak semi-final, with no 'stand out' song to put it frankly! I mean would Azerbaijan have even made top 5 in 2012?
@@orangebear280 Actually the only song from 2011 that I like a lot is Georgia. I think this would be in my top 10 in any ESC year. Apart from that yeah 2011 is one of the worst years really together with 2017 for me.
Eurovision 2018 was the most shocking. We saw many favourites staying in the semis, while 4 out of the top 5 were not even in the top 10 before the rehearsals. Also Cyprus was out of top 20 before the rehearsals and became the most favourite entry of the year. Great video❤️
I think Malta 2021 flopped for 2 reasons. 1. Bad running order. 2. Too close to Toy (staging was similar, pace was similar, there were other things with that song that were also close to toy).
Just a quick analysis regarding the betting odds: If you’re top 1 in the pre-rehearsal betting odds I think it almost guarantees you a top 10 placement in the grand final. Only 2011 didn’t make it. 2012, 2013, 2015, 2018 & 2019 tho were the betting odds’ favorite to win in pre-rehearsals and actually won. Meanwhile if you’re at least top 5 in the pre-rehearsal betting odds, it does not assure you a good placement but it only happened once (Finland 2015) that a song failed to qualify. Ergo, based on trend: if you’re top 1 in the pre-rehearsal betting odds, there’s 90% chance of a top 10 placement, 70% chance of top 5 and 50% chance of winning. Meanwhile if you’re in the top 5 of the betting odds, chances are you’re 98% going to qualify, 78% chance of getting a top 10 placement, 60% chance of top 5 and 16% chance of winning. There is no absolute guarantee tho that you’ll place well. Top 10 placement in the pre-rehearsal betting odds isn’t an assurance really that the entry will qualify. There have been numerous cases already of that. So had 2020 Eurovision taken place, Victoria could’ve reached at least top 10 (high chance of top 5 and even winning) and The Roop, Gjon’s Tears, Dadi and Little Big would definitely qualify and likely to be at least Top 10 in the final. This is just a short observation of how betting odds may reflect actual results. Take with a grain of salt since there’s no 100% assurance but only based on historical trends.
Same. Undo was my favorite to win in 2014 but I think Rise Like a Phoenix grew on me better. Undo was a more immediate song to like but looking at the 2 performances now, I think Austria’s staging was just incredible and looks expensive and grand that year compared to Sweden’s which is in the more simpler side.
They were 1st for a really long time. People were thinking their narrative would be enough to make them Lordi 2.0. That notion turned out to be WAY off.
I can't agree more, it's so sad. After Sanna Nielsen I think things drastically changed. It's like they don't want to put much effort anymore. Not about the artist- about the songs!
sweden always sends horrible songs. generic trashy pop. only euphoria was good and by good i mean brilliant. but i cant understand how they manage to make top 10 with such bad songs. thank god this year they got what they deserved (not really cause they deserved to not qualify but still)
Rehearsals say a lot of things about who is in contention to win and who is not. 2015 says a lot: odds totally spoiled the top 5 after the rehearsals... 😅😅😅
The 2020 contest was not held because the city government of Rotterdam declared an emergency related to COVID-19 on March 12 and announced quietly that they would have to convert the Rotterdam Ahoy to a field hospital for COVID-19 patients that would be used for a minimum of three months. The Rotterdam city government would not be able to take down the field hospital in time for the contest n its scheduled date.
I feel like 2016 is a forgotten and weak year. No one ever talks about it out of being Australias first year. No memorable songs, nothing. I don't even like the winning song but I guess it won because there was nothing better
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So curious that the 2015 Top 5 Pre Show was the real one actually.
haha ye, sometimes the odds get it right. pre-rehearsals though..Finland 5th? lol
@@dimitrispvoice133 finland probably payed to get high up in the odds. since the odds is basically money and betting money, it makes sense
I've noticed that
@@youraverageavgeek2918 Maybe, but it was also because of the backstory of the members of PKN having Down's Syndrome, and just how many people knew of them because of that.
@@youraverageavgeek2918 Nahh, I think is because they have down syndrome and they were still absolutely killing it! The bookmakers maybe thought that the world will sympathize and vote them high...but the song is just not good. Indeed though, there are countries that buy their odds placement as we have seen with Malta this year.
It still shocks me that Finland was fifth!?! before the rehearsals... (2015)
I think they thought that people would like a disabled band more.
totally same
sympathy votes, but it is really 🤪
YEAH IT WAS -62637367377637838737873778903987389737893896368393678/10
@@darasullen8289 i think the song was fine, but the world wasn’t ready
2018 was kinda wild.
Also, the way Gjon's Tears second rehearsal knocked him out of the top 5... That was a ridiculous choice of clip to showcase imo
DAMN! Pre-Show 2015 literally on-point! Well done, betters!
Then they messed up after rehearsals...
Also in both they underestimated Austria so I guess Austria really did rise like a phoenix..
Please PLEASE do biggest rises/drops after rehearsals, like how much they raised or dropped after rehearsals compared to before rehearsals
Probably Greece 2018/2019. Belgium 2018.
Unfortunately I don't have all datas for a video like this :( If someone of you has some screenshots of betting odds before rehearsals in 2011-2014 it would fantastic to send them to me.
@@PlatinSam Where did you find the odds for 2011-2014
Different Eurovision fan websites like eurovoix.com etc. Especially for this video escxtra.com/2021/03/29/eurovision-odds-14-years-history/ but there are just top 10 / 15 of the odds before rehearsals...
@@PlatinSam I thought there was a website where you could go back in time on websites. Sadly I forgot how it's called (and I don't even know if it still exist/works) - but maybe that will make it easier to look up such data?
Wow 2011 was a really unpredictable year 😱
Being objective, it was one of the worst years ever.
@@orangebear280 Indeed, Slovenia's was the only song that I could see as a winner and it got ridiculously underrated by the public
@@dimitrispvoice133 Slovenia defo should have won
The final seemed almost like a drawn out weak semi-final, with no 'stand out' song to put it frankly! I mean would Azerbaijan have even made top 5 in 2012?
@@orangebear280 Actually the only song from 2011 that I like a lot is Georgia. I think this would be in my top 10 in any ESC year. Apart from that yeah 2011 is one of the worst years really together with 2017 for me.
I am still mad 2020 contest cancelled. Imagine VICTORIA, The Roop, Gjon and Dadi in top 4. Strongest top 4 ever.
And Little Big 5-th
at least we still got 2 of those in the top 4 eventually!
And who's Destiny, a neighbour?
Italy would've won.
@@obek4959nah, just a fatt singer with a flop career
2015 was spot on!
Eurovision 2018 was the most shocking.
We saw many favourites staying in the semis,
while 4 out of the top 5 were not even in the top 10 before the rehearsals.
Also Cyprus was out of top 20 before the rehearsals and became the most favourite entry of the year.
Great video❤️
little did getter know in 2011 how big of a meme rockefeller street would come in 2015/2017
She actually knows about it now and thinks its cool
in 2011 predicts better than results
2011 was such a weird year
Europe: You were top 5 in the betting odds?
Sweden: What? Like it's hard?
sweden: sends generic pop
betting odds: top 5
@@bucketslash11 hey it's a good generic pop song!
Can someone please explain to me how on earth Finland 2015 was top 5 on the betting odds
Thats weird
Sympathie votes
2013 calling the top 5 in a different order.
Same with 2019 pre-rehearsals
It made me happy to see 'Should have know better' on the lists. Such a shame of jury and televotes that its not even top 10
tbh in 2018 bulgaria (bones equinox) they did deserve 2nd place or maybe first place
Italy 2017 = Malta 2021. First Pre Rehearsals, third Pre Show, and they both ended up failing to be in the top 5
2011 was a fever dream.
So sad for Bulgaria! Good luck next year
Thank you! Even though its nice that we are always high with odds 🥰
honestly they could have won 2020. lithuania russia and bulgaria were the contenders for the crown
@@ggoddf5889 And Iceland aswell, Gjon probably too. 2020 could have been a really exciting final
agreed, but Bulgaria will get their deserved win eventually
@@ggoddf5889 for me it was Australia,Azerbaijan,Armenia
2015 pre-show was spot on!!
Australia 2018 still breaks my heart
2015 was an impressive odds prediction
Idea: Smallest/Biggest differences in results in Semi Final and Grand Final 2011-2021
I think Malta 2021 flopped for 2 reasons. 1. Bad running order. 2. Too close to Toy (staging was similar, pace was similar, there were other things with that song that were also close to toy).
Malta has bought the bookmakers position. There is an investigation in Malta. It should have never been that high in rankings.
Also feminism propaganda
@@TheMagicAround it definitely would've been top 10 in odds even if they didn't do that tbf
I'm so sorry for 2020, it would be sooo good
These videos are seriously brightening up my days! Keep on making them - I will be here!
Thanks for your efforts - lots of love!
also I love how all of the rehearsal winners did well and made the top 10 and then there's sognu
Just a quick analysis regarding the betting odds:
If you’re top 1 in the pre-rehearsal betting odds I think it almost guarantees you a top 10 placement in the grand final. Only 2011 didn’t make it. 2012, 2013, 2015, 2018 & 2019 tho were the betting odds’ favorite to win in pre-rehearsals and actually won.
Meanwhile if you’re at least top 5 in the pre-rehearsal betting odds, it does not assure you a good placement but it only happened once (Finland 2015) that a song failed to qualify.
Ergo, based on trend: if you’re top 1 in the pre-rehearsal betting odds, there’s 90% chance of a top 10 placement, 70% chance of top 5 and 50% chance of winning.
Meanwhile if you’re in the top 5 of the betting odds, chances are you’re 98% going to qualify, 78% chance of getting a top 10 placement, 60% chance of top 5 and 16% chance of winning. There is no absolute guarantee tho that you’ll place well.
Top 10 placement in the pre-rehearsal betting odds isn’t an assurance really that the entry will qualify. There have been numerous cases already of that.
So had 2020 Eurovision taken place, Victoria could’ve reached at least top 10 (high chance of top 5 and even winning) and The Roop, Gjon’s Tears, Dadi and Little Big would definitely qualify and likely to be at least Top 10 in the final.
This is just a short observation of how betting odds may reflect actual results. Take with a grain of salt since there’s no 100% assurance but only based on historical trends.
Also - if you're out of top 5 pre-rehearsal and 3rd pre-show, there's a good chance you will actually win (see 2011, 2014 and 2016)
damn they really thought malta was going to be in the top 5 this year
Margaret Berger🥰🥰So sorry she didnt win
Loved her too! Listened to her song sooo many times
I really hoped that Undo would win back in 2014. But in the end, it didn't😞
Same. Undo was my favorite to win in 2014 but I think Rise Like a Phoenix grew on me better. Undo was a more immediate song to like but looking at the 2 performances now, I think Austria’s staging was just incredible and looks expensive and grand that year compared to Sweden’s which is in the more simpler side.
Please, the biggest rises in the final comparing with the semifinal (Such as Israel 2005 or Russia 2019)
One question: how the hell was Finland 5th with the odds!?
They were 1st for a really long time. People were thinking their narrative would be enough to make them Lordi 2.0. That notion turned out to be WAY off.
They got it right in 2015 holy moly
And in 2019 they got the top 5 just in the wrong order
Nice video
I'm still sad 2020 Esc didn't happen
Sweden just keeps on downgrading every year
I can't agree more, it's so sad. After Sanna Nielsen I think things drastically changed. It's like they don't want to put much effort anymore. Not about the artist- about the songs!
@@krissymilanova302 I mean we have a competion/national qualifier. Assuming they won't rig the televotes, I don't think there is much to do.
sweden always sends horrible songs. generic trashy pop. only euphoria was good and by good i mean brilliant. but i cant understand how they manage to make top 10 with such bad songs. thank god this year they got what they deserved (not really cause they deserved to not qualify but still)
It’s a shame because before 2015 Sweden was mostly in my top 10, but their 2021 entry in my opinion should have barely qualified.
@@ggoddf5889 You don’t need to sound rude to my homecountry
I love Blue so much
Wow, 2015 was the year the betting odds are right.
Bulgaria so Fucking Underrated!!😡
2015 wtff thats awesome
Is there a way to see the old betting odds from previous years?
2016,2017,2018 GERÇEK şampiyonlar kapmış 1 numarayı 😌
Can you make a video about all odds winners¿
Rehearsals say a lot of things about who is in contention to win and who is not. 2015 says a lot: odds totally spoiled the top 5 after the rehearsals... 😅😅😅
Yo 2015 is cracked
In the final
Sound of silence was robbed
Yes and Russia too in 2016 i think either Russia or Australia should have won the esc2016
Could you do one with odds before the first songs were released?
Woooooooooww
Wow pre show in 2012 and 2013 were really close!
2012 Italy is so good
@Red Diamond true
Better then Euphoria
The 2020 contest was not held because the city government of Rotterdam declared an emergency related to COVID-19 on March 12 and announced quietly that they would have to convert the Rotterdam Ahoy to a field hospital for COVID-19 patients that would be used for a minimum of three months. The Rotterdam city government would not be able to take down the field hospital in time for the contest n its scheduled date.
Well no shit
2015 is crazy entire top 5 correct but i laughed with Finland being pre rehearsal number 5
2016 odds tho>>>>
Germany 12 Points ❤🎉❤🎉❤
The pre grand final 2015
I’m so sad that ESC 2029 didn’t happen :(
My country would have won 😭😭😭
2029?
@@lahavzaken6638 *2020
2015 the top 5 where in the order they got
I don't really understand
do you want to be a jury in my contest?
australia 2018 and bukgaria deserved more
2011 so random
Vote Malta 06
9:59 I REALLY CAN NOT SEE THIS GUY ANYMORE could someone please Remove this?
I don't like the way Destiny said the Je Me Casse
hmmm... ireland 4th in 2018 wtf
I think they did a pretty good job with the stage
A lot of betting agencies are British/Irish so there’s a bias
@@MsJonitha Maybe, but Ireland 2018 deserved better
Sweden literally top 5 almost every single year lmao
Finland 2015 5th I-
I feel like 2016 is a forgotten and weak year. No one ever talks about it out of being Australias first year. No memorable songs, nothing. I don't even like the winning song but I guess it won because there was nothing better
2015 was their first year
Is it just me or does Malta 2016 deserve atleast the top 10
the way that the top5 2021 before the grand final is better than the official
2020 imo russia would win for sure
The televote yes. Doubt the juries would go for it though.
@@Stevenbfg true with Bulgaria and Switzerland being more jury songs