And yet he just got on with it and did a terrific job, most sparks would be proud of, we need more peole like him in the industry. Excellent work guys, keep it up
Great video. The bell box outside rings because the panel battery is faulty. The panel inside switches off , and the bell box rings on its internal battery (wire tamper feature). It's a common occurrence with alarms that aren't regularly serviced. It will usually stop ringing after around 15-20 minutes. Hope this helped 👍🏼
Adam's done a good job of that. Tell him to take no notice of some of the comments you can't always make a board look like a work of art and symmetrical. Hows the back now? I am sure it is frustrating but you don't want to come back on the tools too soon if not fully healed and regret it later.
Most alarms will go off if a cable has been cut /disconnected , its the tamper proof link that sets the bell ringing , also even disconnecting the mains and the backup battey the bell can still ring , as that has its own battery up in the bell box , but it will stop ringing in about 15-20 min
Adam has done a really good job there, at the end of the day I wouldn’t worry how neat it looks, at the end of the day the installation is a lot safer than when you got there 👏
I had a nightmare this afternoon. Fitted a new board in a flat. Didn’t allow enough room for the bathroom door to open fully so had to take it down and redo it. Rookie error 🤦♀️
The idea of changing out a 15 year old board is a little mind blowing to me. Honestly the boards that I can buy in the store in Canada are essentially the same now as 40+ years ago. We just update the breakers generally. Again, always interesting to see the differences between countries 👍
Nick, as loads are mentioning, the back up battery in panel was flat so Bellbox lost power. Carry round a spare battery in future either sell to customer or just use temporarily while on site. I would get 12v 2ah and 12v 7ah for different size panels. Or just wait the 15-20min and it'll stop... Unless it's a really old bellbox, I've seen 7ah back up batteries in them before!
Nick SWA. Don't quote me on the but the reason someone will have said that it's not double insulated! The inner core or SWA is referred to as the "bedding" normally made from PVC but the bedding will not have a BSI recognised rating. Reading the datasheet may state that the bedding has been tested to the same standard although still not recognised by BSI. So as the designer of the circuit you could statement that it is okay to use the bedding as the double insulation. Some people won't want to take this risk with a statement and as such will give it a second level of protection.
Sympathy to Adam, I had a very similar job (also Legrand in a kitchen cupboard) recently with same issues. Totally impossible to get comfortable to work on it! I wished I'd moved the board 1cm down by the end of the day as getting the screwdriver on the N and CPC bar was irritating as cupboard was in the way. (BTW you can shut up a bell box by providing it with power again from a a charged 12v alarm /car battery, two croc clips leads, connect +ve to the D connection, -ve to the A connection. They normally only ring for 15 mins though)
So the theme that I am seeing are a lot of houses there have the service entrance buried in the house somewhere and many times the main fuse is right there as well. How does the fire dept find the main shutoff during a fire so they don't get electrocuted? In the US, the meter 99% of the time is on the outside of the house and can be pulled off to isolate the house. Same with gas meters, they are outside so they can be shut off there. In the US the new 2020 code requires single shutoff location outside as well so that the fire dept doesn't have to pull the meter now and can just flip a disconnect to isolate the entire house. Keep up the good work guys! 🍺👍😎
If they have any concerns they call the local gas or electric company and if no easy method can be found to isolate the property the whole road will be cut off. All modern houses have the supply outside in a box now
hi nick, you have no choice but to quickly pop the ladder up to the bell box and take out the battery, bit of a pain but yeh lol without power it automatically runs on the battery and if the battery is old you will have the alarm go off pretty quick with no mains on.
Hey, how about replace the battery in the control unit. That is why the siren is going off. Had that many time on a callout and find mains fuse/CB has gone. Satellite sirens are so not necessary
@@cjkokay sure you could replace the battery but he’s an sparky not an intruder engineer, so easier just to take battery out of hell box until they are done easy quick and doesn’t cost them a new battery.
Hi Nick wow that alarm was loud What you want to in future is remove the bell box cover and disconnect the bell hold positive also the battery positive and that should stop the bell box. You can reconnect it once your fuse board is changed the internal panel sounder will sound for that to stop just ask the customer to input the code.
On the alarm, some need a battery in the panel. An some have a maintenance code you can type in that puts the system into power off mode. Out of curiosity, did anyone (the public, the authorities) challenge you for the Alarm going off? [I often think the alarm is a waste of time as no one does anything. My car alarm went of for ages once and no one told me]
If you want to be strictly accurate, standard cables are not double insulated. They are insulated and sheathed. Whether they actually meet the standards for double insulation, I don't know.
The battery in the alarm is dead. The bell box will sound from its own internal battery if 12V from the alarm panel is removed. Replacing the battery in the panel with a charged one will make it stop. Engineers code for the alarm panel will be needed though as the panel will come back on with a tamper alarm.
More than one source can feed the external sounder when mains is off, battery in the panel and then when that is disconnected, the external sounder has a battery... it's meant to do that... have to disconnect both.
battery backup should have kicked in nick, obviously that didn't, normally they will automatically shut off after 20mins, if you cant wait that long then its a ladder job up to the sounder and disconnect the bells internal battery.
If there’s enough spare ways u can incorporate the bell transformer into the board, faster and easier and won’t need a spark if the kitchen gets ripped out 👊🤙
When an alarm goes off when the power is out it usually means the battery is knackered, to stop it whilst ure working we just take the battery out the panel and it stops 🤷♂️
From my experience, if the Alarm goes off outside it's because the battery is dead on the inside panel. So you have to either fit a new battery in the panel, remove the battery from the outside box or whack the outside box off the wall with a hammer.
Hey Nick, replace backup battery in panel, shouldn't go off with power removed, but if its texecom there is an engineer hold off mode, give me a shout if you need more info. LP Electrical
Alarms blaring are annoying most likely needs a new battery for the control panel only way to stop it is get the ladder out or replace the control panel battery and put the code in
Cleanly switching mains off does nor normally trigger an external sounder, that could be that the panel battery is in poor condition and not holding off the external sounder, if it was in good condition, it should have, all things being correct, hold off the external sounder for a couple of hours.
@@no-sparks Via a ciruit breaker which are spring loaded to allow a clean make or break. As opposed to something like a blade fuse type , where the person inserting or removing a blade fuse is the only control over the make or break of the connection, not as controlled
Intruder alarms are, and should be fed via an uswitched fused spur. They can be a little tricky to remove sometimes with an instant and clean break, or make for that matter. I have encountered this disconnection triggering a condition that activates the sounders on a system.
Back boxes for smokes alarms - shock horror, even dare I say it back boxes for lights. I would go to that standard it makes everything serviceable in the future. I suspect that while UK 18edition would not rule against it. People often laugh about US electricians twisting ground wires that actually helps physically to ensure ground continuity across the circuit even if they pop out of socket. However US standards require back boxes for all devices avoiding hidden junctions boxes or worse still Wago boxes. Doing so makes a house more serviceable and slightly easier to trace faults.
Always surprised how the UK puts switchboards in such pokey places. Especially with more modern houses. Could be wrong but I don't think many any other countries do this. Must be a awkward to fit off in that cupboard.
Did you superglue the grommet strip in? Not sure you said...... Adam's done a "good job" again. He will be needing his own apprentice soon with you off sick so much.
If you're wanting individual RCBOs or to rejig for a new circuit it's fairly common to find 15 year old boards that you can't get spares for. Needed? Probably not. Worth doing in some cases? Absolutely.
Nick, Adam - Really interested I've never changed a board before, what I wonder is when you pull everything out of the legacy board, how do you know which are downstairs lighting and upstairs lighting etc without labeling them? do you test each circuit leg before re-terminating to identify?
You mark the cables to identify them before you start. But you've got to test and record anyway. If your training hasn't covered cable identification then you've a long long way to go before being qualified to do board changes.
Some external Bells will keep going off no matter what you do to them, they have a built in battery, should stop after 20 mins, unless you cut the internal battery leads which means a new bell box 😂 very annoying I know
Having a month off paid doesn't sound bad to most people but when your a hands on grafter and your stuck at home it's soul destroying sat there everyday chewing your own brain to bits there's nothing worse
Also, fuck all wrong with that board mate. TH-cam has made it seem like every board needs to be a work of art and it doesn't. Cables need to go where they're going and it needs to be functional. You wanna see some of the shite i see on commercial installs.
As part of the EICR. If the alarm goes off it means the control panel battery needs changing. Buy one and charge the customer. And do them and their neighbours a favour (when there is a power cut)
Especially when it comes to older installations being updated- often you simply have to 'do as best you can' and call it good- especially those that have decades of additions and 'improvements'- getting it even in there can often be a challenge- let alone making it 'neat'
Pretty F**king stupid alarm design if it goes off during a power fail, the whole system should be battery backed up so it couldn't care less about a power fail particularly if it isn't even armed at the time. People that buy/install alarms like that are complete muppets.
And yet he just got on with it and did a terrific job, most sparks would be proud of, we need more peole like him in the industry. Excellent work guys, keep it up
Credit where credit is due Nick
You've taught Adam well.
Tidy board for an apprentice
Well done Adam 👏🏼👌🏼
Tidy board for most installers, let alone an apprentice!
@@cheeseburgerbeefcake 😂😂 this is very true I’ve came across many’s of “not so attractive boards” 😁
Great video. The bell box outside rings because the panel battery is faulty. The panel inside switches off , and the bell box rings on its internal battery (wire tamper feature).
It's a common occurrence with alarms that aren't regularly serviced.
It will usually stop ringing after around 15-20 minutes.
Hope this helped 👍🏼
Adam's done a good job of that. Tell him to take no notice of some of the comments you can't always make a board look like a work of art and symmetrical. Hows the back now? I am sure it is frustrating but you don't want to come back on the tools too soon if not fully healed and regret it later.
Most alarms will go off if a cable has been cut /disconnected , its the tamper proof link that sets the bell ringing , also even disconnecting the mains and the backup battey the bell can still ring , as that has its own battery up in the bell box , but it will stop ringing in about 15-20 min
Some bell boxes you can move a jumper pin that disconnects battery
You do a grand job showing adam the ropes. Well done lads.
Adam has done a really good job there, at the end of the day I wouldn’t worry how neat it looks, at the end of the day the installation is a lot safer than when you got there 👏
Well done Adam, you have been taught well.
I had a nightmare this afternoon. Fitted a new board in a flat. Didn’t allow enough room for the bathroom door to open fully so had to take it down and redo it. Rookie error 🤦♀️
what a nice young man. well done adam
Nice job Adam. Good of you to stand back and let him do it Nick.
Adam, You are doing a fantastic job. Keep up the good work.
The idea of changing out a 15 year old board is a little mind blowing to me. Honestly the boards that I can buy in the store in Canada are essentially the same now as 40+ years ago. We just update the breakers generally. Again, always interesting to see the differences between countries 👍
Excellent job Adam and good mentoring Mr Bundy- all good jobs.
Great board Adam, for a ball ache of cable entry that's pretty damn good.
Hey Nick I was delighted to see the sign behind you in that kitchen ‘South Shields Sand dancer’ my home town - you (both) good job 👍
Me too!
Up the Mariners!
Nick, as loads are mentioning, the back up battery in panel was flat so Bellbox lost power. Carry round a spare battery in future either sell to customer or just use temporarily while on site.
I would get 12v 2ah and 12v 7ah for different size panels.
Or just wait the 15-20min and it'll stop...
Unless it's a really old bellbox, I've seen 7ah back up batteries in them before!
Awesome work young Ad! A credit to yourself and Nick!
When he is not happy maybe he should be called Sadam ...
Nick SWA. Don't quote me on the but the reason someone will have said that it's not double insulated! The inner core or SWA is referred to as the "bedding" normally made from PVC but the bedding will not have a BSI recognised rating. Reading the datasheet may state that the bedding has been tested to the same standard although still not recognised by BSI. So as the designer of the circuit you could statement that it is okay to use the bedding as the double insulation. Some people won't want to take this risk with a statement and as such will give it a second level of protection.
Adam can put together a decent board and grow a better beard than Nick…
A tricky situation done very neatly indeed Adam! As others have said, you've taught him well Nick :)
Sympathy to Adam, I had a very similar job (also Legrand in a kitchen cupboard) recently with same issues. Totally impossible to get comfortable to work on it! I wished I'd moved the board 1cm down by the end of the day as getting the screwdriver on the N and CPC bar was irritating as cupboard was in the way.
(BTW you can shut up a bell box by providing it with power again from a a charged 12v alarm /car battery, two croc clips leads, connect +ve to the D connection, -ve to the A connection. They normally only ring for 15 mins though)
well done adam very uncomfortable position to work in with short cables you get a blue peter badge lol
The middle core of armoured isn't rated as insulation - it's normally only a filler material.
Cracking video as always. Purchased a couple of the velocity storage boxes really happy with them thanks bringing them to my attention.
Loads of dry lining box's for smokes round here, if want fast way get the round ones and hole saw ;)
So the theme that I am seeing are a lot of houses there have the service entrance buried in the house somewhere and many times the main fuse is right there as well. How does the fire dept find the main shutoff during a fire so they don't get electrocuted? In the US, the meter 99% of the time is on the outside of the house and can be pulled off to isolate the house. Same with gas meters, they are outside so they can be shut off there. In the US the new 2020 code requires single shutoff location outside as well so that the fire dept doesn't have to pull the meter now and can just flip a disconnect to isolate the entire house. Keep up the good work guys! 🍺👍😎
If they have any concerns they call the local gas or electric company and if no easy method can be found to isolate the property the whole road will be cut off. All modern houses have the supply outside in a box now
Nice video Nick and well done on the new board Adam
Couldn't help but notice the South Shields sign, a town i visit alot. Is this work in South Shields? Cheers from a Swedish spark!
hi nick, you have no choice but to quickly pop the ladder up to the bell box and take out the battery, bit of a pain but yeh lol without power it automatically runs on the battery and if the battery is old you will have the alarm go off pretty quick with no mains on.
Hey, how about replace the battery in the control unit. That is why the siren is going off. Had that many time on a callout and find mains fuse/CB has gone.
Satellite sirens are so not necessary
@@cjkokay sure you could replace the battery but he’s an sparky not an intruder engineer, so easier just to take battery out of hell box until they are done easy quick and doesn’t cost them a new battery.
I always use the mini RCBO's it really is worth the extra £3 each especially for jobs like that one you get so much more room.
Nice job Adam 😎
Hi Nick wow that alarm was loud
What you want to in future is remove the bell box cover and disconnect the bell hold positive also the battery positive and that should stop the bell box. You can reconnect it once your fuse board is changed the internal panel sounder will sound for that to stop just ask the customer to input the code.
Was it not tempting to switch L&N and put the main switch on the left? Would have saved the tails getting in the way!
I had the same thought.
Alarm ringing due to the battery back up in the house panel being flat, need to open the sab ( alarm box ) and disconnect one wire of the battery.
Nice to see your okay 👍 welcome back.!!!
On the alarm, some need a battery in the panel. An some have a maintenance code you can type in that puts the system into power off mode.
Out of curiosity, did anyone (the public, the authorities) challenge you for the Alarm going off? [I often think the alarm is a waste of time as no one does anything. My car alarm went of for ages once and no one told me]
If you want to be strictly accurate, standard cables are not double insulated. They are insulated and sheathed. Whether they actually meet the standards for double insulation, I don't know.
Adam has a real good teacher !
The battery in the alarm is dead. The bell box will sound from its own internal battery if 12V from the alarm panel is removed. Replacing the battery in the panel with a charged one will make it stop. Engineers code for the alarm panel will be needed though as the panel will come back on with a tamper alarm.
I accidently set off alarm, was instructed to remove fuse and disconnect battery from inside, outside eventually shut up (about 15 mins).
More than one source can feed the external sounder when mains is off, battery in the panel and then when that is disconnected, the external sounder has a battery... it's meant to do that... have to disconnect both.
battery backup should have kicked in nick, obviously that didn't, normally they will automatically shut off after 20mins, if you cant wait that long then its a ladder job up to the sounder and disconnect the bells internal battery.
If there’s enough spare ways u can incorporate the bell transformer into the board, faster and easier and won’t need a spark if the kitchen gets ripped out 👊🤙
The Din rail mounted transformers are common and quite cheap- although if they already have one there, I can understand reusing it...
@@steved2136 totally agree mate just making aware if nick or adam hadn’t seen them
When an alarm goes off when the power is out it usually means the battery is knackered, to stop it whilst ure working we just take the battery out the panel and it stops 🤷♂️
Done your best, more knock outs required
When labelling the board, why do you actually write "Spare" rather than just leaving the box blank?
From my experience, if the Alarm goes off outside it's because the battery is dead on the inside panel. So you have to either fit a new battery in the panel, remove the battery from the outside box or whack the outside box off the wall with a hammer.
Why is the surge protector next to the Main Breaker? On some boards they are at the opposite end of the busbar!?
Rear entry made both me and Adam giggle
2:35 nice looking bag 😎
Nick for novices out there you did not show proofing the board dead in your video after you locked off the isolator as you say safety first 👍
Hey Nick, replace backup battery in panel, shouldn't go off with power removed, but if its texecom there is an engineer hold off mode, give me a shout if you need more info.
LP Electrical
External bells usually ring for 15 mins after power has been lost to them
Well done Adam … another good job
Alarms blaring are annoying most likely needs a new battery for the control panel only way to stop it is get the ladder out or replace the control panel battery and put the code in
Cleanly switching mains off does nor normally trigger an external sounder, that could be that the panel battery is in poor condition and not holding off the external sounder, if it was in good condition, it should have, all things being correct, hold off the external sounder for a couple of hours.
What do you mean by "cleanly" switching off the mains...
@@no-sparks Via a ciruit breaker which are spring loaded to allow a clean make or break.
As opposed to something like a blade fuse type , where the person inserting or removing a blade fuse is the only control over the make or break of the connection, not as controlled
Intruder alarms are, and should be fed via an uswitched fused spur.
They can be a little tricky to remove sometimes with an instant and clean break, or make for that matter.
I have encountered this disconnection triggering a condition that activates the sounders on a system.
Adam did that whole job ...with his shirt on .................................how disappointing
Back boxes for smokes alarms - shock horror, even dare I say it back boxes for lights. I would go to that standard it makes everything serviceable in the future. I suspect that while UK 18edition would not rule against it. People often laugh about US electricians twisting ground wires that actually helps physically to ensure ground continuity across the circuit even if they pop out of socket. However US standards require back boxes for all devices avoiding hidden junctions boxes or worse still Wago boxes. Doing so makes a house more serviceable and slightly easier to trace faults.
the siren box also has its own battery
Excellent work Adam - keep it up ! Ignore the haters !
Always surprised how the UK puts switchboards in such pokey places. Especially with more modern houses. Could be wrong but I don't think many any other countries do this. Must be a awkward to fit off in that cupboard.
Oh you should see the Australian one's. They are outside of house.
But they are pain in the arse to replace.
And I'm not a licensed spark.
Not a surprise for us UK sparks ! Why make it easy when you can make it really difficult?
You have no choice but to now invest in a cherry picker and go up to the bellbox!
Did you superglue the grommet strip in? Not sure you said......
Adam's done a "good job" again.
He will be needing his own apprentice soon with you off sick so much.
Here's a great tip for dealing with alarms that won't stop..... EAR DEFENDERS lol
wired in 2007 , needs a fuseboard change , really , ????
Sometimes customers request changes. She wanted Cory really 🤣
Thought he said it was because they couldn't get breakers for it
If you're wanting individual RCBOs or to rejig for a new circuit it's fairly common to find 15 year old boards that you can't get spares for. Needed? Probably not. Worth doing in some cases? Absolutely.
Nick, Adam - Really interested I've never changed a board before, what I wonder is when you pull everything out of the legacy board, how do you know which are downstairs lighting and upstairs lighting etc without labeling them? do you test each circuit leg before re-terminating to identify?
You mark the cables to identify them before you start.
But you've got to test and record anyway.
If your training hasn't covered cable identification then you've a long long way to go before being qualified to do board changes.
Burglar alarm, shove a back up battery in it to stop bell box going off
Some external Bells will keep going off no matter what you do to them, they have a built in battery, should stop after 20 mins, unless you cut the internal battery leads which means a new bell box 😂 very annoying I know
Great work and thanks for sharing this with us take care
Move the main switch
What a place to have installed the consumer unit originally ???
Are you still using your new camera? Asking because you cannot hear it zooming in and out. 😎
Yeah still the new one mate
Adams little giggle @14:10 lol never say rear entry on camera
The worst consumer unit changes are under tight staircase........ Lying head on a pillow whilst changing board, lol.
What was the reason for the board change ??
Tidy Job Mr Adam! Great Video Nick :) Keep em coming :)
Hi nick thanks for your reply
I need your settings for your caméra filming
It’s not a GoPro anymore mate
@@NBundyElectricalyes gopro9 i have one
No GoPro
Adam’s hair 😱
Awful Barnet.
Having a month off paid doesn't sound bad to most people but when your a hands on grafter and your stuck at home it's soul destroying sat there everyday chewing your own brain to bits there's nothing worse
Also, fuck all wrong with that board mate. TH-cam has made it seem like every board needs to be a work of art and it doesn't. Cables need to go where they're going and it needs to be functional.
You wanna see some of the shite i see on commercial installs.
I just put up the ladders and disconnect the battery for the alarm. If not it's about a 20-30 minute wait I'm afraid.
Or get the ladders out go up to bell box open it up and disconnect the back up battery in there too (prepare to go deaf though)
As part of the EICR. If the alarm goes off it means the control panel battery needs changing. Buy one and charge the customer. And do them and their neighbours a favour (when there is a power cut)
I would of dropped that board by 50mm it would of made it so much easier to get the screwdriver into the neutral & earth bars. Looks tidy.
If some of the cables was short how would you extend them to go in new fuse board ? Cheers
Apprentice or DIYer ?
@@GeoB24 sounds like a D.I.Yer to me
@@anthonyridgley1819 😂 that’s why I asked don’t wanna help diyers out
@@anthonyridgley1819 apprentice , I was told wago connectors was not allowed
@@richardsheppard5881 wagos are fine as long as they are rated for the load of the circuit and inside a suitable enclosure
Ad weren't happy haha
Adam there's still some dirt on the side of your face pal.
Alarm should go off after 20 mins.set a lot of changing meters
Yeah it did 👍
There is a fues in side pull that will kill it
Seems social media sparks put way to much pressure on themselves to do a perfect board
Especially when it comes to older installations being updated- often you simply have to 'do as best you can' and call it good- especially those that have decades of additions and 'improvements'- getting it even in there can often be a challenge- let alone making it 'neat'
Hey nick how u don't up load as often any more??
Still 2 a week mate 👍
@@NBundyElectrical keep it going 👍👍 Adam is one lucky guy to have u as a teacher
Do fusebox do a miniature rcbo range with shorter breakers
Upto 32A I believe
Good ladam? Yeah good ladam
Pretty F**king stupid alarm design if it goes off during a power fail, the whole system should be battery backed up so it couldn't care less about a power fail particularly if it isn't even armed at the time. People that buy/install alarms like that are complete muppets.
It has 2 batteries. One is flat !
@@AndyK.1 Then the alarm should know that and still not go off particularly as it hasn't been armed.
@@mfx1 Power has been removed from the bell box so it assumes the cable has been cut, so goes off.
@@AndyK.1 That could easily be fixed if the designers wanted to.
shout out to the logang...?
oi oi
First 👋
what is the icon/symbol at the end of your name?
You get the bundy shirts really quickly. Oh no, bet their still in boxes 🤣
@@AndyK.1 I’m waiting for those to drop 👀 😂
@@JRCElectrical He’s been so busy sat on the sofa the last month 😜
@@AndyK.1 your a bad man 😂