Good morning Matt. I believe these people all in all acted with responsibility in mind. Seemed everyone was calm . The appeared well set up. It's easy to say we cold have stalled the engine, but heat of the moment comes into play doesn't it? I saw lots of blankets across ropes and lines and the use of multiple vehicles the share the load the best they could. I didn't see anyone boozing on . Credit where credit is due. Good job well done.
I think I would have said "We camp here!", pitched the tents and took another shot at it in daylight, and hopefully not in the rain...and of course, after breakfast. lol
I learnt the hard way & also in Marrangaroo NP that a vehicle towing should never be in front of a vehicle that's not towing. Jack knifed, Thrown timing, 2 hours stuck on the hill with an inexperienced brother in the other vehicle and then a 7km tow back to the road & a $500 tow truck ride back to Blacktown. We had no winches, only snatch gear until eventually some spectators decided to offer help. On the note of the strap over the bullbar, I agree with what you said but also noted it appears to be C Channel that the bar is made from and with the square edges it would also raise the risk of the strap being cut. Great to see them taking their time and not running around like chooks with their heads cut off, it all seemed very calm & controlled even when things did go wrong. In my recovery when we finally got help, one of the vehicles that winched me up made sure to also tie themselves off to a tree so I think that should have been done early on and would have prevented the vehicle sliding forward when the 60 went backwards. A 2nd vehicle as an anchor could have also done the job but I think tying off to a tree would have been better.
@MadMatt4WD that we do mate. I've made mamy mistakes in the past and I'm not afraid to admit it. I have learnt though and now I try to make sure I do things better.
Thanks for sharing, got some interesting advice just from the analysis about the snatch straps. We had a similar situation trying to get our 4x4 buggy on a 10x7 trailer ( approx 1.3 tonne )up our access road after storms a couple of months ago. The incline starts out at 42 degrees with red mud and rocks for approx 400 meters, very tough stretch. The towing vehicle a 2024 Rubicon, we had the diff locks on and it just slipped and slid around into precarious angel, thought we were going to loose the buggy, rolling down the mountain. After an hour of winching and everything going 100% wrong we decided to unhook the trailer, chock it with boulders and enabling the trailer brakes and heading up and retrieving it in the morning. In the light of day the situation was a “ little “ better but we decided to unload the buggy ( that was a logistical mind F###) and drive it up to camp and reconnect the trailer to my NPS 300 and tow it solo. If only we filmed it!! 😅
Great video and you make some great points throughout it. We had similar situation out on a rocky ledge filled hill climb section of the trail that is followed by another steep hill climb. On our trail ride we had a TJ Jeep Rubicon with a dead fuel pump. We winched him over the ledges and then had 4 vehicles hook up to each other with static straps and drag the dead Jeep up the final hill climb. A lot of off roaders with winches, think "winch, winch, winch." But really if you have enough vehicles - strap em together and drag that dead vehicle up and out of there. Edited to add: I have found that a lot of winch bumpers have a sharp fairlead hole in them. The edge of the fairlead hole will cut a synthetic winch line. Especially when winching a vehicle at a sharp angle up or down. Someone needs to design a hawse fairlead that goes inside of the winch bumper fairlead hole.
Hey Matt, fantastic video as always. You mentioned and shown a few examples in your videos of brake failing during recoveries due to not building up enough pressure or being wet or something - I reckon that would be a fantastic dedicated video you could make explaining how that happens in more detail, what to be aware of during steep accents or descents, and how to avoid issues when recovering. Cheers!
What I can’t figure out is if the LandCruiser was first in the Convoy, How did the Other Vehicles get to the Top? and Why (when the Cruiser went backwards) they didn’t winch the Trailer Backwards (Thus Un JackKnifing it) allowing the Cruiser to BackDown the Re-Set (Anchor) the Patrol?
I've got no idea who this Matt guy is......but he seems to really know his stuff and is well educated in this stuff.. It is easy to spot others mistakes on a video But when you are there and in a hurry.... Mistakes happen unfortunately Some of these often have very serious and sometimes sad out comes Rule one in recovery in my book is Cup of tea time Or at least stop think and plan Subscribed now....
A great learning video here Matt. Yes, I totally agree with you, why is the vehicle with a trailer at the front leading the others? it should be behind at least one vehicle, so that if it gets into difficulty/trouble then it can be towed or helped out of an issue.... regarding the broken winch line, even if they tied a bowline at each end of the fractured line joining it all together it could have still be used. I would have said similar to you .. why do they need to tow an empty trailer behind a broken vehicle in the first place.. put it on another vehicle.. stop for the night and hope the rain goes by morning many different ideas could and should have been used... Why do they need to get up that hill at night and in the rain? I used to have a FJ40 back in the 80's and early 90's it was great fun it had a 6cyl in line straight 6, petrol and it had a PTO winch that was just a beast, but it went through a few transfer cases so I sold it.
05:30 ebenso ist es nicht gut die Schlaufe über zwei möglicherweise scharfe Kanten zu führen, wo die Zugkräfte sich anstatt über eine Länge von bis zu 4 cm zu verteilen auf zwei mal nur ca. 5 mm beschränken, was die punktuelle Belastung massiv erhöht. Zum gerissenem Windenseil, da wäre interessant was für eine Winde am Fahrzeug war, also welche Zugleistung diese Winde hat und war das Seil ein Originales mit einer werksseitigen Bruchlast-Reserve? In Australien ist wie fast überall auf der Welt der Suzuki Jimny sehr beliebt, aber hier in Europa werden fast ausschließlich Winden mit einer Zugkraft von maximal 2,5 Tonnen für den Jimny angeboten und mit dieser Zugkraft wäre eine Windenbergung nicht möglich, da man mindestens einen dreifach Zug aufbauen müsste, wo man je nach Winde eine Reichweite von 5 bis 7,5 Meter hätte. Ich selbst habe an meinem Jimny eine 6,123 Tonnen Winchmax Winde mit 28 Meter langem Seil und selbst mit der hätte ich, sofern ich einen guten Ankerpunkt hätte nur mit einer Umlenkung die Bergung versucht. english version: 05:30 It is also not good to guide the loop over two possibly sharp edges, where the tensile forces are limited to only approx. 5 mm twice instead of being distributed over a length of up to 4 cm, which massively increases the point load. Regarding the broken winch rope, it would be interesting to see what kind of winch was on the vehicle. So what pulling power does this winch have and was the rope an original with a factory breaking load reserve? In Australia, like almost everywhere else in the world, the Suzuki Jimny is very popular, but here in Europe they almost exclusively use winches with a maximum pulling force of 2. 5 tons were offered for the Jimny and with this pulling power a winch recovery would not be possible as you would have to set up at least a triple pull, where you would have a range of 5 to 7.5 meters depending on the winch. I myself have a 6.123 ton Winchmax winch with a 28 meter long rope on my Jimny and even with that I would have As long as I had a good anchor point, I would only try to recover with a deflection.
Carrying 1 ton of overland gear is a very bad idea. You dont need all that crap. The vehicle was not designed to carry all that. The parts are put under way more stress. Light is Right !!
Good morning Matt. I believe these people all in all acted with responsibility in mind. Seemed everyone was calm . The appeared well set up. It's easy to say we cold have stalled the engine, but heat of the moment comes into play doesn't it? I saw lots of blankets across ropes and lines and the use of multiple vehicles the share the load the best they could. I didn't see anyone boozing on . Credit where credit is due. Good job well done.
Yeah 100% agree with that.
LOL.......No Reason to do this Track in the Rain......Let's do a Harder One at Night (after we have taken our Medication) for TH-cam Views!
I think I would have said "We camp here!", pitched the tents and took another shot at it in daylight, and hopefully not in the rain...and of course, after breakfast. lol
Of course nothing happens till after breakfast when camping. 😁😁
@@MadMatt4WD The you have to "Have a beer about it" as well.......
@@colinl9018 And then you can't drink and drive so you need to sit around camp for the day and cook a slow roast. I mean it's tough real tough.
@@MadMatt4WD We all have hard decisions to make in life 😂
Valuable information as always Matt , best outcome was also no one was injured and no vehicles were destroyed 👍🍻
Cheers! That's a good way to look at it
G’day Mad Matt, good tip about the high idle speed for extra charge 👍
Cheers mate. 👍
Great opportunity for us all to learn and experience vicariously. Thanks Mad Matt.
Yeah it’s all about learning.
Greqt video Matt, I had a mate crank (key) his HQ into a service station years ago when he ran out of fuel .
I learnt the hard way & also in Marrangaroo NP that a vehicle towing should never be in front of a vehicle that's not towing. Jack knifed, Thrown timing, 2 hours stuck on the hill with an inexperienced brother in the other vehicle and then a 7km tow back to the road & a $500 tow truck ride back to Blacktown. We had no winches, only snatch gear until eventually some spectators decided to offer help. On the note of the strap over the bullbar, I agree with what you said but also noted it appears to be C Channel that the bar is made from and with the square edges it would also raise the risk of the strap being cut. Great to see them taking their time and not running around like chooks with their heads cut off, it all seemed very calm & controlled even when things did go wrong. In my recovery when we finally got help, one of the vehicles that winched me up made sure to also tie themselves off to a tree so I think that should have been done early on and would have prevented the vehicle sliding forward when the 60 went backwards. A 2nd vehicle as an anchor could have also done the job but I think tying off to a tree would have been better.
Good work and we all learn along the way.
@MadMatt4WD that we do mate. I've made mamy mistakes in the past and I'm not afraid to admit it. I have learnt though and now I try to make sure I do things better.
Thanks for sharing, got some interesting advice just from the analysis about the snatch straps. We had a similar situation trying to get our 4x4 buggy on a 10x7 trailer ( approx 1.3 tonne )up our access road after storms a couple of months ago. The incline starts out at 42 degrees with red mud and rocks for approx 400 meters, very tough stretch. The towing vehicle a 2024 Rubicon, we had the diff locks on and it just slipped and slid around into precarious angel, thought we were going to loose the buggy, rolling down the mountain. After an hour of winching and everything going 100% wrong we decided to unhook the trailer, chock it with boulders and enabling the trailer brakes and heading up and retrieving it in the morning. In the light of day the situation was a “ little “ better but we decided to unload the buggy ( that was a logistical mind F###) and drive it up to camp and reconnect the trailer to my NPS 300 and tow it solo. If only we filmed it!! 😅
Yeah wow I’m glad that worked out ok.
Great video and you make some great points throughout it. We had similar situation out on a rocky ledge filled hill climb section of the trail that is followed by another steep hill climb. On our trail ride we had a TJ Jeep Rubicon with a dead fuel pump. We winched him over the ledges and then had 4 vehicles hook up to each other with static straps and drag the dead Jeep up the final hill climb. A lot of off roaders with winches, think "winch, winch, winch." But really if you have enough vehicles - strap em together and drag that dead vehicle up and out of there.
Edited to add: I have found that a lot of winch bumpers have a sharp fairlead hole in them. The edge of the fairlead hole will cut a synthetic winch line. Especially when winching a vehicle at a sharp angle up or down. Someone needs to design a hawse fairlead that goes inside of the winch bumper fairlead hole.
I’ve not found a sharp edges fairlead here in Australia.
@@MadMatt4WD The hole in the bumper where the fairlead mounts is what I'm talking about.
Great vid matt
Thanks heaps.
Hey Matt, fantastic video as always. You mentioned and shown a few examples in your videos of brake failing during recoveries due to not building up enough pressure or being wet or something - I reckon that would be a fantastic dedicated video you could make explaining how that happens in more detail, what to be aware of during steep accents or descents, and how to avoid issues when recovering. Cheers!
Good idea. I’ll add it to the list.
Ill be honest.. PTO winches Carnts!!... no hill too steep. No bog too deep!!
Great vid, cheers
Thanks 👍
What I can’t figure out is if the LandCruiser was first in the Convoy, How did the Other Vehicles get to the Top?
and Why (when the Cruiser went backwards) they didn’t winch the Trailer Backwards (Thus Un JackKnifing it) allowing the Cruiser to BackDown the Re-Set (Anchor) the Patrol?
There’s a few different trails in this area to get around. That’s a great idea to drag the trailer back.
I've got no idea who this Matt guy is......but he seems to really know his stuff and is well educated in this stuff..
It is easy to spot others mistakes on a video
But when you are there and in a hurry.... Mistakes happen unfortunately
Some of these often have very serious and sometimes sad out comes
Rule one in recovery in my book is
Cup of tea time
Or at least stop think and plan
Subscribed now....
Cheers mate. I’ve been around a while but glad we met.
Another great learning video but there are no links in the description. 😢
Thanks for letting me know I'll fix that.
Added now. Thanks again for letting me know.
@@MadMatt4WD Thanks for all the great education. You are most certainly saving lives with the education you provide.
@@craigclarke1628 Cheers mate thats so encouraging.
Where is the LINK for the original Video in the description?
Oh sorry. Will add it.
Added now
A great learning video here Matt. Yes, I totally agree with you, why is the vehicle with a trailer at the front leading the others? it should be behind at least one vehicle, so that if it gets into difficulty/trouble then it can be towed or helped out of an issue.... regarding the broken winch line, even if they tied a bowline at each end of the fractured line joining it all together it could have still be used. I would have said similar to you .. why do they need to tow an empty trailer behind a broken vehicle in the first place.. put it on another vehicle.. stop for the night and hope the rain goes by morning many different ideas could and should have been used... Why do they need to get up that hill at night and in the rain? I used to have a FJ40 back in the 80's and early 90's it was great fun it had a 6cyl in line straight 6, petrol and it had a PTO winch that was just a beast, but it went through a few transfer cases so I sold it.
The old pto winch was a beast ay.
05:30 ebenso ist es nicht gut die Schlaufe über zwei möglicherweise scharfe Kanten zu führen, wo die Zugkräfte sich anstatt über eine Länge von bis zu 4 cm zu verteilen auf zwei mal nur ca. 5 mm beschränken, was die punktuelle Belastung massiv erhöht.
Zum gerissenem Windenseil, da wäre interessant was für eine Winde am Fahrzeug war, also welche Zugleistung diese Winde hat und war das Seil ein Originales mit einer werksseitigen Bruchlast-Reserve? In Australien ist wie fast überall auf der Welt der Suzuki Jimny sehr beliebt, aber hier in Europa werden fast ausschließlich Winden mit einer Zugkraft von maximal 2,5 Tonnen für den Jimny angeboten und mit dieser Zugkraft wäre eine Windenbergung nicht möglich, da man mindestens einen dreifach Zug aufbauen müsste, wo man je nach Winde eine Reichweite von 5 bis 7,5 Meter hätte. Ich selbst habe an meinem Jimny eine 6,123 Tonnen Winchmax Winde mit 28 Meter langem Seil und selbst mit der hätte ich, sofern ich einen guten Ankerpunkt hätte nur mit einer Umlenkung die Bergung versucht.
english version:
05:30 It is also not good to guide the loop over two possibly sharp edges, where the tensile forces are limited to only approx. 5 mm twice instead of being distributed over a length of up to 4 cm, which massively increases the point load.
Regarding the broken winch rope, it would be interesting to see what kind of winch was on the vehicle.
So what pulling power does this winch have and was the rope an original with a factory breaking load reserve? In Australia, like almost everywhere else in the world, the Suzuki Jimny is very popular, but here in Europe they almost exclusively use winches with a maximum pulling force of 2.
5 tons were offered for the Jimny and with this pulling power a winch recovery would not be possible as you would have to set up at least a triple pull, where you would have a range of 5 to 7.5 meters depending on the winch. I myself have a 6.123 ton Winchmax winch with a 28 meter long rope on my Jimny and even with that I would have
As long as I had a good anchor point, I would only try to recover with a deflection.
Well picked up re sharp edges.
Thanks again matt for another great video ..have a great one
Does the Safe Extract app work without cel signal?
Good question. I don’t know as yet. I’ve only just got it.
The app appears to be only you tube videos with sales of 4x4 gear?
@MadMatt4WD
Carrying 1 ton of overland gear is a very bad idea. You dont need all that crap. The vehicle was not designed to carry all that. The parts are put under way more stress. Light is Right !!
I like that saying.
Are the rule makers 4x4 enthusiasts, or greenies in disguise???
Oh I think we know the answer to that