Why John Forsythe Didn't Speak To Dame Joan Collins | The Graham Norton Show
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- Dame Joan Collins discusses standing up to ageism, and why John Forsythe didn't speak to her for a season!
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Joan Collins proving time and time again that age means nothing
She looks and sounds fabulous
Exactly!
It's about attitude❤. We all know we'll eventually grow older but if we embrace it with joy and good health... Why should we count 😅
Joan Collins is the class. What a wonderful storyteller. I love her truth-telling.
Which isn't quite true....unfortunately.
I like her honesty. Honestly.
A woman nearly 90 wearing an off the shoulder dress and not looking remotely odd doing it. Love her. And her sister.
I didn't even notice until you pointed it out for some odd reason
That's ageist.
She looks stunning!
And I'd wear that should I be lucky to get to her age looking so fabulous 😊
Selma, society is ageist. Not me. It’s an accurate statement and a testament to how vibrant she is and how amazing she looks. Most people nearly 90 are in nursing homes with significant health deterioration if they are even lucky enough to still be alive.
Ageless
I could listen to Joan all day, such an amazing career and so articulate.
I may have been a kid but my mother watched this every week and so did I. I absolutely loved Joan Collins as Alexis Is Carrington. Make no mistake she is the reason why there are so many females with the name Alexis in this world now.
stunning at any age, but 90 is incredible.
90 in 2023
"I have to have my stand-in, because i'm scared" LOL forever a Diva, love Joan.
Joan's character Alexis will forever be legendary.
To live to be so old with such grace, clarity of thought and equal articulation is reassuring to it is possible.
John Forsythe, a great star but a man of the old world. Love Joan’s honesty.
Why wouldn't Forsythe be irked by Joan bringing his age up? He wasn't bringing up her age, it was the press and PR. Nothing old world abut it.
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@@romainsavioz5466 I suppose you disagree?
@@romainsavioz5466 If Forsythe was less insecure he’d have understood the point Joan was making and been fine with her pointing out the sexist hypocricy to the media
@@hd-xc2lz I'm with you.
What a wise human being. It's pleasure to watch everything she says in recent years.
A real, timeless, classy, marvelous woman and actress!
She kept herself so well together all her life! Still looks great at almost 90! Whatever she did is working!
That says a lot.... She saved that show.. It only became interesting when Joan Collins joined...
She is the one and only glamorous Star
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Men babies with fragile egos still go rampant today, so one can only imagine then. I love that Joan called people out on the misogyny of the era. Most women just took it back then.
I don't see it being much better nowadays though.
@@Sunshine-zm1fx Me neither to be honest. People like to pretend that it’s that much better nowadays, but I agree with you _it’s not. It gets more called out these days, but it’s still very much a misogynistic society the one we live in.
Yeah she took a lot of flak for that in that era but she's always been a class act.
I can kinda see Forsythe's perspective and not wanting to get his age dragged out to be used against him. Better if everyone would stop using it as a club against the women, both then and now.
What choice did she have though?
She couldn't control others being ageist, only highlight how awful the double standard was with the perfect example of her direct co-worker and Forsythe took the hit.
That award story was truly childish on his part, can't defend that at all. I get the sense she is still respectfully framing that story in a more positive light than the truth actually was.
That's pure conjecture on my part, but she seemed to choose her words carefully there. Very articulate lady.
She is simply amazing,just Wow
The stories she tells are intriguing. And she's told of some good ones!
I don’t get why the cast members slaged her off. She saved their show and gave them massive pay cheques for 9 years. I’ve loved this diva for 40years😂
Yes! Joan really held the show together. I believe they were bitter because Joan had the largest fan-base aside from the other actors. They should've been grateful to Joan for saving their jobs. The show was about to be canceled until Joan showed up 😊
Exactly. She was the show. She brought the zest and the romance. She had great chemistry with the actor who played her young lover. Honestly if she didn't have any scenes I wouldn't watch the episode.
I always imagined a Dallas/Dynasty cross over. JR vs Alexis would have been incredible.
Didn't they do that?
Wow that guys ego is as fragile AF!
Her life and stories never get old
Fascinating!!!!💋❤🙏🇮🇱
I love Joan Collins! Huge Dynasty fan and she really carried that show the most. They could have replaced John anytime but not Joan!
Most likely that is exactly why Forsythe didn't like Joan; Joan stole the show!
Loved the show, watched it religiously. I always have loved Joan Collins. Such an incredible woman.
When Dallas started it was like most shows.They didn't know what they wanted to do so they were all over the place.
W/Dynasty,They had the main characters established and they said wait a minute.Krystle needs a little more tention.Enter Alexis.
Joan didn't come in to save a dying show by ANY MEANS,but she added sooooooo much more.W/the added camp and fighting and envy,she put the show on top.
I absolutely have to give her props.
Now I did like Dynasty, But to me Dallas had that pit more X-factor that Dynasty didn't have.
@@johndoyle2429 I never watched Dynasty growing up.We didn't get ABC.I've watched it since I've grown.But yea I do like Dallas better.But for fights give me two women.There are never any punches pulled,so to speak.
John Forsyth was a legend in his time, a real man and a gentleman.
She is really funny.
She was fantastical in that role! So glad the others turned it down!
Had _she_ been a bigger star herself someone else assuredly would have ended up in that role (even she would not have been considered, were it not for her starring in The Stud, an adaptation of a pulpy novel penned by her younger sister; RIP, Jackie). As well, she nearly walked away after Series 5, when she demanded more money after putting in 4 years. Whether or not she deserved the hike in pay, the show itself was running on fumes by Series 8 or Series 7.
Could listen to her for hours. Amazing woman and star. Age is nothing but a number let women be themselves.
Two Years ago she did a amazing short film called "Gerry" where they tried to make her look plain and ordinary, the irony...it didn`t work. She`s an absolute bombshell beauty always has been and it`s near impossible to disguise. Her performance is wonderful and its a very touching movie I recommended it. Honestly I seriously want her back on American Horror Story or on Ratched or another Ryan Murphy show (She could headline her own series) Ten years ago we were robbed of a Dynasty Reboot and I won`t watch that dreadful CW remake which looks ham handed. Love you Dame Joan!
2000s: Have a Good Night
2020s: Have a Graham Norton ✌🏼
So the press mentions her age and Lynda's age and not Forsythe's age, and she assumed it is HER place to correct that and constantly mention his age. That would have been the appropriate response only if Forsythe himself was constantly babbling on about Collins' age. What she did was drag him into her spat with the press and make him part of the argument even though that was not her right. He was well within his rights to be offended and tell her off.
I just saw her documentary, I'm in love with her, she's so amazing, I never knew all of her story, oh my god
I miss seeing this show on tv. 😔😗😄
Joan looks wonderful!
Joan mentions John's age as being 62 at one point during the run of Dynasty. John turned 62 back in 1980 and before Dynasty. In actuality John was 63 when Joan came aboard as Alexis.
Sounds like John Forsythe was a 62 year old child.
Indeed!
John turned 62 in 1980 before Dynasty. John was 63 when Joan came aboard as Alexis the second season which was 1981-1982.
She hurt his ego
A man-child.....alot of women are married to them...I should know...they want to be the center of the attention..
Haha, what a story ! Great clip and Dame Joan Collins is simply stunning. A real ⭐ indeed.
She is so awesome 😎
Love her
Wonderful actress🎉 utube Ένα χρυσόψαρο μέσα στη γυάλα john bavas
2:05 Joan's recollection of that event (People's choice) is not entirely accurate. She says, (John) 'She said enough.' What he actually said was, 'No, you said it.' Joan then recounts how John 'walked off,' but in fact, they all left the stage at the same time.
Totally. She was out to get her hands on it, on stage well ahead of everyone, took it off the podium herself....wasn't handed it. etc etc etc.
So petty!! I love it.
2:05 Joan's recollection of that event (People's choice) is not entirely accurate. She says, (John) 'She said enough.' What he actually said was, 'No, you said it.' Joan then recounts how John 'walked off' but he doesn't do that the whole time they're on the stage in the clip available. It would appear they all left the stage at the same time.
Men are such big babies, love you Joan!!!
amada mundialmente...deberia aparecer con publicidad en la actualidad...fue lo maximo Joan Collins
She doesn't age her sister was stunning as well
Forsythe believed he was the undisputed STAR of Dynasty (he was also very good friends with Spelling and had a unique n rare clause in contract that stipulated he wld always the highest paid cast member....started at 5% in the 1st season n 7.5 % by S9)....However, by the time Dynasty came along, both Linda & Joan had paid their dues n made their bones, each had the right to principle characters on the same level as Forsythe vs supporting...
Brilliant! ❤️
She is such a classy Lady, love her
1:50: Good story, but she should have handed the award to John before speaking.
@@nah....6151 Partially agree. But Dynasty was very successful prior to Joan's appearance, nominated for a Golden Globe award in 1981 after the first season. Ratings averaged 19 million for season 1 in the US, gaining a further 4.5% viewership for the second season. Not considerable, quite frankly.
Alexis' best seasons, however, were to come later around 1984-85.
@@nah....6151 Actually, I'm going to change my original view. Based on what Joan says in this interview, my instinct is she should have handed the award to John - if that was protocol. *Having viewed the footage, Joan actually turns to John Forsyth prior to her speech, but he is in conversation with other actors, perhaps even ignoring her? Joan then faces the audience quite nervously, in fact, and thanks everyone.* The footage is on TH-cam and worth watching.
@@Clavinovaman I agree
@@Clavinovaman But she got up there ahead of everyone, was not handed it and made sure she had her say....she did the same thing getting up there ahead of the others in other years' awards etc. I feel her ego was out of control......but having said that, why didn't they allow Linda or her to be the spokesperson for a change.....
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Joan is a national treasure. Make that an international treasure.
She doesn't remember that award ceremony in question very well at all......a man was presenting, the award was not handed to her, she was the first one up ahead of everyone else, as usual.....go and look at the other footage of other years, and she decided she was going to have her say regardless of what the producers had decided. Her ego was out of control. Why shouldn't she have been the one to receive it....good question, but that wasn't the plan. She caused the unhappiness by going against the understanding and now she tells the story incorrectly. Not on!
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She's spinning tales. Forsythe had to deal with her, that's all I need to know.
Iconic ❤
You are love Joan!😇
Still love John Forsythe
Class. Pure class.
0:05 I never realized that Linda Evans (Krystle Carrington) was so attractive. She was just an elderly lady for me back then in the 80's.
In the 80s, I was in my 20s, and I thought she was gorgeous.
I stopped watching Dynasty by the end of season 6. The 1st 5 seasons were the best IMO. And that Moldavian weddings massacre was the "jump the shark" for Dynasty 😢
She’s fabulous
I always felt that Joan was unfairly characterized as being a diva and that she was "difficult." Why, because she demanded respect and equality? Ridiculous.
She is beautiful smart witty . I can go onforever. All faculties intact at 89 yrs old
Why is Graham Norton Show no longer available in India? It's neither on tv nor on any OTT platform!
Ah, the Hollywood double standard. Mr Forsythe failed to remember that he wouldn't even be here were it not for a woman. Cheers to Joan! Merry Christmas from across the pond!
That's why Alexis and Blake played rivals so well.
She has vintaged wonderfully...
Sounds like John Forsythe was a bit of a diva.
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Me and I love it lol
Why do you repeat the same thing over and over….we get it, you like Graham Norton…it fills a huge empty void in your life….that and computer games
It's funny that she mentions requesting her stand-in for the strangling scene which was in the season finale of season 6. Because when you watch that episode there's a very short moment, just a second or two, where you actually SEE the stand-in, not Joan Collins. It is however not when Blake is strangling Alexis but a few seconds before he lunges at her and tries to kill her.
In a documentary about series like Dynasty they told how the show was going under until Alexis came onboard.
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She can still get it
you could feel on screen that he hated Joan Collins it wasn't just acting John hated Joan Collins on an extreme level.
Clever man. She's bloody awful.
@@allegory6393 Her acting or her as a person? Have you met her?
@@akirebara She is a talentless actress who got very lucky on TV portraying an iconic character. As for her own character, I have friends who worked on two films with her here in the UK and told me some horror stories about her attitude. So John Forsyth probably had good reason to dislike her.
@@allegory6393 How exactly is she awful?
@@juliajones2318 You want her PR machine to come after me? It is well known how awful she is in the UK's acting circles (the serious ones). And crews are not that fond of her either. Comments here turn her into some feminist icon, when in fact she did not speak up when she witnessed other women in her profession victimised, but she speaks up now that is absolutely safe and many many other women have done the difficult work long before she opened her mouth here. The disgusting film industry culture (as old as the film business itself) revealed in all its misogynistic glory every time an actress celebrated her 30th birthday (less common now, but still); the repellent culture that determined that ageing male stars were potent sex symbols and needed to be paired with women half (or more than half) their age while actresses of a similar to them age were put out to pasture or forced to play their mothers (eg. Cary Grant's 'mother' in North By NorthWest) have more than been exposed, there have been actively opposed following changes in social attitudes long before this interview. Collins did not participate in any of those discussions and struggles, only to spout the obvious now and be hailed as some great feminist icon! Pleeaaase, as the Americans say.
What documentary is Graham talking about? I need to see it!
I was a kid and my mom always watched it. Only thing I remember is Alexis, and Crystal falling down stairs
Sad,Joan saved the show ,without her it would not have ran 9 seasons.
Joan is class...John apparently didn't have it and was the male equivalent of a diva, sadly. Love Joan, she's still every bit the glamorous star!❤
John had class. Unlike Joanie he never went on a popular show to drag someone through the mud.
Now I did like Dynasty, Interesting thing John forsythe said, Dynasty wasn't the classic Dallas was and I agree with him.
Not that I think she's not telling her truth, but I'd take it with a grain of salt. Collins didn't get along with a lot of people on that set.
Queen.
It's my understanding that they also considered Raquel Welch for Alexis.....and also the tabloids kinda let Joan have it as they thought she just STEPPED on John at the awards show.
Just watched the clip of that award show and John laughed when he said "you said it all." Joan then turned to Linda who also laughed and declined to say anything. Joan's colorful memory is either a little off or she loves to embellish.
A 62 year old man behaving like a child , I would imagine this sort of behaviour is more common than we think in self obsessed Hollywood.
Forsythe and them knock knees had the audacity
That show would be nothing without Alexis
And tonight the Documentary will be shown on Belgian television.
So funny!
"Fra-gee-lae"
shes gorgeous still and all her intelligence..wit and charisma..plus the jewellery industry looks like made 4 her
Linda Evans was only in her 30s? I think she was being kind. Linda looked no younger than Joan when she joined.
They definitely looked on par with one another. Linda (born November 1942) was 38/39 when Joan (age 48) came aboard for season two back in 1981.
I always thought Linda was 45 at least. But certainly not 38. Gosh back in the day everyone looks old. I'm 37 now and I still look like a teenager. Back in the day people looked so sophisticated and their true age or older maybe because they were refined.
John sounds like a Diva?
I thought we were gonna see the clip :(
Joan darling, they were jealous of you and your superb acting. You could have carried the series on your own because you made the show watchable. Otherwise, Dynasty was boring.
Love the different pronunciation by Graham - "din-eh-stee" where in the series it's pronounced "dine-uh-stee"....lol
People with English accents pronounce it that way, not just Graham.
@@AndrewMacLaine However, "Dynasty" as used here is a _proper noun_ ; imagine if an American spelled the "Labour Party" of the UK as _Labor_ Party!?
Do you believe everything she is saying? Easy to talk about these things when he is not around anymore.
She was so hot in Dynasty.
Joan Collins and Jackie Collins look alike.
The real reason there was friction was because Dynasty was struggling and facing cancellation. Alexis/Joan entered and the ratings rocketed. It was soon the number one show in the USA and everybody was talking about Alexis and not Blake and Crystal. In truth it needed all three, you can’t have a triangle with one person, but without Alexis, Blake and Crystal didn’t work. Joan brought the bitchy one liners, the skullduggery, the camp, the wardrobe, the power shoulders, the class, the style and the swagger and ended up defining the over-consumption of the 1980s.
Your studio lighting on Dame Joan in this interview was horrible @#GrahamNortonShow I'll wouldn't be surprised if Dame Joan wasn't just a little miffed at you @#GrahamNorton
We all KNOW Joan...we all know...
Perhaps he felt this show is unspeakable.