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@@drishalballaney6590 And we haven't even seen Zen 4 with RDNA 3. Last-gen AMD still beats Intel in power efficiency by quite a bit, I'm betting on a next-gen bloodbath.
I know it will likely go unnoticed for most people, but I really appreciate that you used the ability to change the video's title to make it more honest rather than more clickbaity like everyone else. Props!
I would have loved to see more test results from the battery power tests. Usually performance drops greatly when not plugged in. He says that doesnt happen anymore, but I would have loved to see more tests
I think you were too harsh on Intel's IGPUs. Iris Xe was a major step forward compared to UHD and brought Intel into competitive benchmark scores of AMDs Vega IGPUs. Intel only started to fall behind with the 680M and the soon to be released 780M. The major drawback to Iris Xe was the driver/game support. For instance, you can play God of War but it wouldn't load some models and textures correctly.
@@andrewjazdzyk1215 Both the 1370p and the 1360p smoke the m2! The 1370p is 10% faster than the 1360p ish, and the 1360p is about 33% faster than the m2.
@Max007 yeah it is pretty impressive, I have the 1360 in the xps plus atm, I was just wondering about his overall comparisons when I haven't seen many companies even selling the 1370 yet
I am look forward to your Apple M2 Pro/Max review, no need to rush to beat other reviewer at this point. I am specially interest in thermal and fan noise with m2 pro/max line up, and the new Ryzen 7840HS and 7940HS Phoenix Zen 4 mobile processor with 5/4 nm node when they are coming out next couple of months, with Lenovo IdeaPad and Yoga Slim range. Like your pragmatic and thoroughness with laptop review.
i never expect 13th gen P series will significantly improve performance per watt sector since this chip is basically a "refresh" of alder lake. While intel only able to improve so much with this design, it make me really excited to see what intel can bring with 14th gen meteor lake family 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Looks like a great laptop, main point why i wouldnt buy it are those bezels, damn they look cheap! Cant wait to see what other manufacturers build with that chip
Intel can only get so much out of Intel 7 they desperately need Meteor Lake to launch without hiccups. Apple just like Intel can only get so much out of TSMC 5nm, M2 shows a slight performance efficiency increase over M1. I think Apple will have a better offering with the M3 on TSMC 3nm. I have little hope now for AMD Phoenix RYZEN 7040. Maybe when Qualcomm launch Hamoa SOC with Oryon CPU they can have an answer for the Apple Silicon.
Seriously. I don't see any point buying a laptop with an Intel CPU, as I want good battery life out of *portable* laptop. Let's hope Intel 4 ("7Nm") brings much needed efficiency and battery gains
Little hope for AMD? Ryzen 7000 desktop chips showed amazing efficiency gains. If the laptop chips are similar they should wipe the floor with intel and get close to Apple
@@defnotatroll The problem is availability. Finding a laptop with AMD Phoenix will be challenging. at CES they didn't announce any design wins and actual products.
1:10 hey at least it's better than Nvidia's naming. I'd rather have the Core i numbers plus letter designation than just have the number and no indication of how much power the processor will use like with Nvidia.
Waiting to see battery life for 13th gen mobile ( and ryzen 74xx series) on other laptops with smaller batteries and higher res screens. Wish the thinkpad x1 nano was more like this, it beats the thinkpad in all areas (fan noise, battery life, ports, pricing by a bit) besides keyboard and screen. Quite impressive
Great video Josh, thanks for the great content! Is there any chance you could take a look at the zenbook s13 oled with the newer 6000 amd processors someday? They look like really good devices I would love to see your thoughts on them!
I just bought one two weeks ago, refurbished. It's an *amazing* laptop. The screen is jaw-dropping and so is the performance. The iGPU is spectacular as well, you can actually do some legit gaming on it, even on AAA titles, as long as you lower the settings a bit and/or resolution. Doesn't get too hot to the touch, the fan is inaudible most of the time and is totally bearable under full load. The keyboard is also phenomenal which was totally unexpected, I never liked ASUS' keyboards before. Not at all mushy as some reviewers pointed out but rather firm and the keys spring back a lot sooner than you'd expect. I write for a living so that's a huge plus. Really nothing to complain about whatsoever. Well built although by no means a premium as some other options on the market. The battery life also varies quite a lot depending on your brightness setting but you can definitely get nine or ten hours with general productivity work on 60% brightness and on the Silent fan profile which limits the TDP to around 12W or so. In any case, if you can get one for a reasonable price, don't think twice.
Genuine question. You complain about the different model ranges of intel cpu, but surely this is preferable to say nvidias appraoch, where literally the same gpu designation will perform wildly differently based on TGP? Personally i think it makes sense to have different cpu offerings in each power class, as you may still want a different core configuration or iGpu based on usage.
The battery part is what worries me the most about Intel's H35 processor lineup. 12 hours with FHD display + unusally big battery might sound impressive on paper. But how would the same Intel 1370P chip fare with a brighter QHD display + higher-watt speakers + 60Wh in a same 13-14" size laptop? Can that even last 10 hours? Because last year's Lenovo Slim 7i Pro X 14" fully specced out with i7-1280P lasted barely 5 hours for me.
MSI typically is worse when it comes to efficiency implementation anyways, so I expect they may fare better in laptops of other OEMs. Case in point, last years prestige consistently had significantly worse battery life compared to competitors with a larger battery size.
It is very hard to compete with Apple silicon these days. I mean the MBA (M1 or M2) doesn't even have a fan and has outstanding single core performance which is what most people are going to notice when using a thin and light.
@@--julian_ Yes, it is really good. I do a lot of software engineering and the life varies depending on what i'm working on. If i'm mainly working on light scripts or documenting stuff, I could probably get two full workdays off my M1 Air.
@@JustJoshTech That is really good. I'm glad the PC competition is hopefully starting to catch up. We need real competition in the thin and light space again so Apple doesn't go even more crazy with their prices.
@Watchandlearn91 wow! that truly is impressive. I would get the MBA but I'm so used to windows and I don't have any apple products. I need a windows manufacturer to actually make a true competitor to the MBA
Could you do some sound measurement? With an audiospectrometer for example, as dave 2d did in his video "the mystery of macbooks speakers" and compare the laptop you're reviewing with; macs, the best sounding windows laptop, and what you consider a good enough sounding laptop? I think for me and others would really add to the review, as always good videos mate ;)
battery life is impressive but you did not factor screen resolution and battery size in your tests. the msi prestige has a 75 whr battery, bigger than the laptops u compared and a much lower resolution than the other laptops. But even accounting for these, battery life is impressive nonetheless
1:17 I suspect it is deliberately marketed by Intel like that. Most people, when they ask what processor an intel laptop has, they expect the answer to be i5 i7. And when you hear i5, it means not as fast as i7. So, when someone bought an i7, regardless of the TDP series, they feel good.
Here is what I am looking for: 1- front camera is a must. 2- type a port is a must. 3- Not IOS. 4- decent battery and less fan noise. 5- x360 and touchscreen (preferable). I am not a gamer nor editor as I am not keen much on the graphics side of things
1:10 this lineup has been around for a long time, it's by no means new. intel always had the U, H and HX series, it's only the P series that is new, and that's been around since the launch of 12th gen
AMD is really the only hope to compete on battery powered performance this year but the way it's going it is to little to late for Windows machines, I am switching to Mac for the first time in my life.
I did too, but i miss windows so badly. I'll switch back the moment they will have a 15 hours battery life laptop, which i hope will be in 2-3 years ish
In my opinion, not with that pixel density. It's absolutely essential for me on small laptop screens because lowering the scaling allows me to get more screen real estate.
What about the reliability and longevity of MSI laptops in general? I am seriously debating between this and DELL XPS 13" which for the same price offers lesser memory, and HDD Capacity.
Maybe this is it… I’ve been struggling to find my wife’s next laptop. She has a five year old LG gram that’s getting too slow for the zoom online teaching (she uses a lot of writing tablet whiteboard interaction with her students). She’d be happy to just get the newest LG gram, but the reviews of those don’t inspire much confidence.
Great content as always! Am thinking of buying the Book3 Ultra i7 model. After few deals and discounts applied, its costs me $1350 (Pre tax). Any suggestion if i can get this or any other windows alternative? Any response would be appreciated!
@@TechnoKidNepal Its a Samsung site pre order deal using multiple deals. Using my work place it had few dollars less on top of Samsung preorder deal price. Rakuten site they had a 15% cash back offer. And I was looking to get a CC which gives me a $300 dollar welcome bonus. So after all these deductions, net amt for me was ~ $1350 dollars,. But I didn't bought that at that time...
I am really interested in this laptop but can't find a single user review of anyone who has purchased apart from Josh. Can this laptop support external displays with 120hz, or anything higher than 60hz?
This laptop is an absolute sleeper. MSI is one of the few companies that offers a completely unlocked bios. I know everyone doesn't enjoy tinkering with their laptop, but if you are willing to put in a bit of modest work undervolting, you can get something that runs extremely cool with ridiculous battery life in a tiny package for a Windows laptop. I paid € 550 for mine on clearance. I also picked up a GPD G1 7600 XT for € 400. Net result is a setup with 10+ hours of battery life, better than M3'ish performance on the CPU, better than Max GPU performance (when needed), in a < 1 kg package. I love it.
Thank god it doesn't have RTX 4xxx... it would easily be 2k then. However, it would be nice to have some MXxxx maybe something new like MX680 or something. For a little bit gaming ; )
Josh I have a question, why you say is a 1360p on the Amazon listing, but your test show a 1370p, why is that, which processor is the correct one? Also can you do an H series comparison specially on the battery efficiency comparing m processors sustain better even with 2 k displays like in the MacBook air..
I am still waiting for meteor lake with 40% efficiency and 21% higher performance compared to 13th gen, looking to pick between snapdragon 8cx gen 4 and intel meteor lake with chiplets aka tiles design.
Judging by the video, this isn't really an M2 air killer; rather, it's a competitor. We're more than aware that MacOS's advantage isn't in benchmarks -- I'd love to see some real world performance metrics in a future review, if possible.
Hello Sir, Which Laptop do you recommend for Professional Adobe apps (Photoshop and After effects Motion design) usage? Need something I can Travel with and easy to work from anywhere. Budget is not an issue. Response will be appreciated, Thanks in advance.
Far from perfect due to poor graphics, no OLED, 120Hz or QHD (2.8K), but it has merit compared to the Windows ultrabook market. For example, the new Galaxy Book3 Pro is priced similarly with half the RAM and storage. The Galaxy has OLED 3K 120Hz, so it may suit more than the higher spec of the MSI or vice versa. With the MB Air and discounted MB Pro 14, I will easily go towards Apple as Intel laptops now match Apple in pricing. Even the Galaxy Book 3 Pro 8GB/i5/256GB is currently £200 more than the same spec MB Air M2!
@@fantasytky28 Yes, OLED has drawbacks, and limited life is a concern. We must wait 1-2 more years to gauge their standing. An option would be nice though for those willing to take a chance.
Josh, I love your videos but don’t be surprised when you order a white colored laptop with a white colored keyboard that the backlighting will be hard to make out…Should be fairly obvious by now…
Thank you for the nice note. Re the keyboard, there is a broad range of people who watch the videos. Unfortunately, not everyone watches multiple from my channel, or is familiar with laptop buying. So I may say things that seem obvious but may not be obvious to everyone
I like your style... but :) You can't really compare them they way you are... 1. Did you run all the benchmarks while connected to power? 2. If you did(I bet you did), then why are you talking batterylife just after? 3. If you want to talk batterylife, then run your benchmarks without power connected - that's a more fair comparison. 4. Batterylife is only relevant including the benchmarks so people can see what power they are getting on the road. Let me know what the scores are on the 1370P on batterypower ;) hehe
Huge 75Whr battery with only 1200p screen and only 1% ahead of the Thinkpad with a 2.8K screen and a tiny 51Whr battery? Not as impressive. Also Cinebench score was better due to the wayyyy higher core count vs 2020 Zen3 8 core Ryzen, that too barely better.
Yes, soon as I saw the battery size, I realised that all the hype about battery life should be put in perspective. Imagine the other devices with the same battery capacity? Then this laptop does not look so clever.
Still can’t compete with an M2 MacBook by a long shot in terms of ultra books. Great laptop, but apple still has multiple upper hands on every other laptop manufacturer out there currently.
Just test on balanced mode and use some applications. Not video playback. Intel laptop maybe will run normally only with disabled turbo boost. Because for every execution it runs at high frequency and boost's voltage on the chip. This "optimized" power control of laptops = laptop heat + increased battery drain. I hope someone understands what I'm talking about. Talking about unstable lifetime and loud fan noise under load. ✌️
I understand what you are talking about. However, I do not think we, the consumers, should be forced to run our laptops handicapped i.e. without turbo boost. If laptop can't properly cool processor with Turbo Boost on, then put a less powerful processor inside, which will also save us some money!
I don't like the battery life testing methodology, under no curcumstance will anyone does video playback only. My Dell XPS 13 plus with 1260P died after 4 hours of work. An alternate testing methodology such as using a script running a set of daily tasks such as web browsing/ running Microsoft office suite/ chatting on discord and so on, performing those tasks each for like 10 minutes repeatedly, record how long it lasts and record the battery percentage. I believe it can be more close to real world use.
Could anyone elaborate / verify if this can handle Lightroom editing of 24Mpx photos with ease, please? Ideally when on battery, and not plugged in. I'm in this weird mid-space, where I do a lot of photoediting as my hobby, but also prefer Windows and the least weight possible due to frequent work/travel regime - it's always M2 Air vs anything new that comes out, and this one seems to tick all the boxes, except the graphics and possibly thermal issues (I spend a lot of time in hot climates) Josh, thanks for including the comment that the laptop can run at full tilt even on battery, that's a nice surprise!
Josh, I think you should stop justifying 13" laptops having soldered ram. Framework was proven it can be done, heck even the gram 13 back in the day had replaceable ram along with two ssds slots
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Intel actually made improvements to performance per watt instead of just throwing more watts at the problem I can't believe my eyes
Yep, and in casual use this thing was dead silent (no fan noise) and I felt no heat
But their gpu still sucks, amd still is king of igpus imho
@@drishalballaney6590 And we haven't even seen Zen 4 with RDNA 3. Last-gen AMD still beats Intel in power efficiency by quite a bit, I'm betting on a next-gen bloodbath.
@@MegaAdeny yep
Unless Intel pushes it's arc gpus in laptops, amd is still the laptop igpu king
It's good to see :) but still not enough to beat the macbook air m2 per watt... and thats even passively cooled :)
Battery tests are a must in laptop reviews.
I know it will likely go unnoticed for most people, but I really appreciate that you used the ability to change the video's title to make it more honest rather than more clickbaity like everyone else. Props!
Yes I read the feedback!
I would have loved to see more test results from the battery power tests. Usually performance drops greatly when not plugged in. He says that doesnt happen anymore, but I would have loved to see more tests
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I think you were too harsh on Intel's IGPUs. Iris Xe was a major step forward compared to UHD and brought Intel into competitive benchmark scores of AMDs Vega IGPUs. Intel only started to fall behind with the 680M and the soon to be released 780M. The major drawback to Iris Xe was the driver/game support. For instance, you can play God of War but it wouldn't load some models and textures correctly.
From what I have seen in this video, I would call this computer as an XPS 13 killer, not a MacBook M2 killer.
It's a better CPU, but not a better laptop otherwise (screen/touchpad/speakers)
@Max007 does it have a better cpu? He has the 1370p but when he listed the available skus there was only the 1360p
@@andrewjazdzyk1215 Both the 1370p and the 1360p smoke the m2! The 1370p is 10% faster than the 1360p ish, and the 1360p is about 33% faster than the m2.
@Max007 yeah it is pretty impressive, I have the 1360 in the xps plus atm, I was just wondering about his overall comparisons when I haven't seen many companies even selling the 1370 yet
Even though the MSI is less expensive I think it's a bit of a stretch to call it an MBA M2 killer.
Yo need them clicksssss
Maybe he Wanted to Trigger some
Apple Fans. 😅
True. Even with the price argument, MBA M1 at its current pricing is a much better value imo
@@johnnydoe3603 Yep. He got me 🙂
Is there any better Windows competitor to the MacBook Air M2?
I am look forward to your Apple M2 Pro/Max review, no need to rush to beat other reviewer at this point. I am specially interest in thermal and fan noise with m2 pro/max line up, and the new Ryzen 7840HS and 7940HS Phoenix Zen 4 mobile processor with 5/4 nm node when they are coming out next couple of months, with Lenovo IdeaPad and Yoga Slim range. Like your pragmatic and thoroughness with laptop review.
i never expect 13th gen P series will significantly improve performance per watt sector since this chip is basically a "refresh" of alder lake. While intel only able to improve so much with this design, it make me really excited to see what intel can bring with 14th gen meteor lake family 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Looks like a great laptop, main point why i wouldnt buy it are those bezels, damn they look cheap! Cant wait to see what other manufacturers build with that chip
Intel can only get so much out of Intel 7 they desperately need Meteor Lake to launch without hiccups. Apple just like Intel can only get so much out of TSMC 5nm, M2 shows a slight performance efficiency increase over M1. I think Apple will have a better offering with the M3 on TSMC 3nm.
I have little hope now for AMD Phoenix RYZEN 7040.
Maybe when Qualcomm launch Hamoa SOC with Oryon CPU they can have an answer for the Apple Silicon.
Seriously. I don't see any point buying a laptop with an Intel CPU, as I want good battery life out of *portable* laptop.
Let's hope Intel 4 ("7Nm") brings much needed efficiency and battery gains
Little hope for AMD? Ryzen 7000 desktop chips showed amazing efficiency gains. If the laptop chips are similar they should wipe the floor with intel and get close to Apple
@@defnotatroll yeah AMD's laptop CPU's already have really good battery life, as even shown in the video 🤔
@@defnotatroll The problem is availability. Finding a laptop with AMD Phoenix will be challenging. at CES they didn't announce any design wins and actual products.
@@EnochGitongaKimathi that's true. I hate that. It's like they're giving up on the laptop segment
1:10 hey at least it's better than Nvidia's naming. I'd rather have the Core i numbers plus letter designation than just have the number and no indication of how much power the processor will use like with Nvidia.
thank you for another well rounded review
Great review as always! I hope you can do a review of the Lenovo yoga 9i gen 8 with the 13th gen processor and 2.8k OLED screen.
Great video man. This laptop seems great. 🙂
Another killer review! Thanks Josh!
Looking forward to your review for Galaxy Book 3 Pro which I think should be a good match for this MSI machine.
I am patiently waiting for the Ryzen 7040series laptop with 4nm and Zen4 igpu. They will be mindblowing
If you want to compare an i7-1370P do with a Ryzen 7 7736U.
Waiting to see battery life for 13th gen mobile ( and ryzen 74xx series) on other laptops with smaller batteries and higher res screens. Wish the thinkpad x1 nano was more like this, it beats the thinkpad in all areas (fan noise, battery life, ports, pricing by a bit) besides keyboard and screen. Quite impressive
Great video Josh, thanks for the great content! Is there any chance you could take a look at the zenbook s13 oled with the newer 6000 amd processors someday? They look like really good devices I would love to see your thoughts on them!
There are a number of good reviews on the S13, but you're right to want to see Josh's take too, I'd like to see his thoughts on it as well.
I just bought one two weeks ago, refurbished. It's an *amazing* laptop. The screen is jaw-dropping and so is the performance. The iGPU is spectacular as well, you can actually do some legit gaming on it, even on AAA titles, as long as you lower the settings a bit and/or resolution. Doesn't get too hot to the touch, the fan is inaudible most of the time and is totally bearable under full load. The keyboard is also phenomenal which was totally unexpected, I never liked ASUS' keyboards before. Not at all mushy as some reviewers pointed out but rather firm and the keys spring back a lot sooner than you'd expect. I write for a living so that's a huge plus. Really nothing to complain about whatsoever. Well built although by no means a premium as some other options on the market. The battery life also varies quite a lot depending on your brightness setting but you can definitely get nine or ten hours with general productivity work on 60% brightness and on the Silent fan profile which limits the TDP to around 12W or so.
In any case, if you can get one for a reasonable price, don't think twice.
@@uramfekete thanks for your input!
@EMPE Is the grain pattern on the screen due to digitizer distracting?
Great review 👍
Genuine question. You complain about the different model ranges of intel cpu, but surely this is preferable to say nvidias appraoch, where literally the same gpu designation will perform wildly differently based on TGP? Personally i think it makes sense to have different cpu offerings in each power class, as you may still want a different core configuration or iGpu based on usage.
Interesting review . Hope you can review HP envy and the unique GDP Win Max2
The battery part is what worries me the most about Intel's H35 processor lineup. 12 hours with FHD display + unusally big battery might sound impressive on paper.
But how would the same Intel 1370P chip fare with a brighter QHD display + higher-watt speakers + 60Wh in a same 13-14" size laptop? Can that even last 10 hours? Because last year's Lenovo Slim 7i Pro X 14" fully specced out with i7-1280P lasted barely 5 hours for me.
Power efficiency is Intel's achilles heel
3k display in a 13-14 inch screen is overkill
MSI typically is worse when it comes to efficiency implementation anyways, so I expect they may fare better in laptops of other OEMs.
Case in point, last years prestige consistently had significantly worse battery life compared to competitors with a larger battery size.
It is very hard to compete with Apple silicon these days. I mean the MBA (M1 or M2) doesn't even have a fan and has outstanding single core performance which is what most people are going to notice when using a thin and light.
True. For things that most people do though, this laptop was dead silent, had similar single core performance, and was cool to the touch.
and the battery life too, no? I don't have it but heard that it is amazing
@@--julian_ Yes, it is really good. I do a lot of software engineering and the life varies depending on what i'm working on. If i'm mainly working on light scripts or documenting stuff, I could probably get two full workdays off my M1 Air.
@@JustJoshTech That is really good. I'm glad the PC competition is hopefully starting to catch up. We need real competition in the thin and light space again so Apple doesn't go even more crazy with their prices.
@Watchandlearn91 wow! that truly is impressive. I would get the MBA but I'm so used to windows and I don't have any apple products. I need a windows manufacturer to actually make a true competitor to the MBA
if it got 4k/2k miniled or oled hdr 120hz display upgrade option, it would be perfect for me.
Could you do some sound measurement? With an audiospectrometer for example, as dave 2d did in his video "the mystery of macbooks speakers" and compare the laptop you're reviewing with; macs, the best sounding windows laptop, and what you consider a good enough sounding laptop? I think for me and others would really add to the review, as always good videos mate ;)
battery life is impressive but you did not factor screen resolution and battery size in your tests. the msi prestige has a 75 whr battery, bigger than the laptops u compared and a much lower resolution than the other laptops. But even accounting for these, battery life is impressive nonetheless
1:17 I suspect it is deliberately marketed by Intel like that. Most people, when they ask what processor an intel laptop has, they expect the answer to be i5 i7. And when you hear i5, it means not as fast as i7. So, when someone bought an i7, regardless of the TDP series, they feel good.
I wonder how this competes with Framework's newest 13th gen laptops !
I recently lost my PC and looking forward to buy a new one. Given how much I love your TH-cam channel, can you please advise me on which one to buy?
Here is what I am looking for:
1- front camera is a must.
2- type a port is a must.
3- Not IOS.
4- decent battery and less fan noise.
5- x360 and touchscreen (preferable).
I am not a gamer nor editor as I am not keen much on the graphics side of things
@@sultanalhammadi2910 Eh, can't go wrong with the Spectrex360 or Dell XPS (although dell xps is fucking overpriced)
12th gen is barely available in my country and here we are with the new 13th gen. Lol
Thoughts on new galaxy book 3 lineup?
I've switched from macbook air to my sister's lenovo yoga slim 7 pro, and I missed so much that macbook air does not produce any fan noise
what did you do on slim7pro? mine does not do any noice unless I set it to high performance mode
@@JanSuchomel I always use high performance mode, maybe thats why
@@evan.rianto That is definitely why. If you do not need it all time it is better to use balance mode.
Are MSI laptops reliable?
1:10 this lineup has been around for a long time, it's by no means new. intel always had the U, H and HX series, it's only the P series that is new, and that's been around since the launch of 12th gen
I don't consider 12th gen a long time ago. I consider 7th gen a long time ago!
AMD is really the only hope to compete on battery powered performance this year but the way it's going it is to little to late for Windows machines, I am switching to Mac for the first time in my life.
I did too, but i miss windows so badly. I'll switch back the moment they will have a 15 hours battery life laptop, which i hope will be in 2-3 years ish
In my opinion, not with that pixel density. It's absolutely essential for me on small laptop screens because lowering the scaling allows me to get more screen real estate.
5:42 flexi boi...
I'm more interested ThinkPad x1 carbon gen 11 and T14 gen 4
Right now, the MSI prestige with i5-13500h, 16gb RAM, 512 GB SSD is in promotion on Amazon UK at £799... Is worth that money?
What about the reliability and longevity of MSI laptops in general? I am seriously debating between this and DELL XPS 13" which for the same price offers lesser memory, and HDD Capacity.
So, what did you go with?
If you got the MSI prestige, how's the hinge
Damn. Good job by msi
That Norton thing is really annoying. Is that fixed already or not?
Maybe this is it… I’ve been struggling to find my wife’s next laptop. She has a five year old LG gram that’s getting too slow for the zoom online teaching (she uses a lot of writing tablet whiteboard interaction with her students). She’d be happy to just get the newest LG gram, but the reviews of those don’t inspire much confidence.
I really wonder how would it compare if it was power limited to Mac's power level.
Great content as always! Am thinking of buying the Book3 Ultra i7 model. After few deals and discounts applied, its costs me $1350 (Pre tax). Any suggestion if i can get this or any other windows alternative? Any response would be appreciated!
How you got such huge discount? On which site
@@TechnoKidNepal Its a Samsung site pre order deal using multiple deals. Using my work place it had few dollars less on top of Samsung preorder deal price. Rakuten site they had a 15% cash back offer. And I was looking to get a CC which gives me a $300 dollar welcome bonus. So after all these deductions, net amt for me was ~ $1350 dollars,. But I didn't bought that at that time...
Interesting title, but we all know no apple people would move to MSI for whatsoever reason.
I am really interested in this laptop but can't find a single user review of anyone who has purchased apart from Josh. Can this laptop support external displays with 120hz, or anything higher than 60hz?
I think you do not understand the power od verbs and adjectives as I can see. Nice laptop btw. But those are minor upgrades. Not any domination.
Wait, the 1360p is whats on sale but youre testing the 1370p?
the flex in the chassis is too much for my liking
I guess 6P+8E is a better configuration when running at 28w. Better performance & efficiency.
Yes my bad here, I didn't realize there was a step up from 1360P to 1370P with 2 extra performance cores
I have last year's 14 evo with the 1240p. My only complaint is that gets toasty
now retest all laptops perf when on battery.
Compared with Yoga Slim 7i pro X 2023 and Yoga Slim 7i Carbon, which one that has better battery life?
This laptop is an absolute sleeper. MSI is one of the few companies that offers a completely unlocked bios. I know everyone doesn't enjoy tinkering with their laptop, but if you are willing to put in a bit of modest work undervolting, you can get something that runs extremely cool with ridiculous battery life in a tiny package for a Windows laptop. I paid € 550 for mine on clearance. I also picked up a GPD G1 7600 XT for € 400. Net result is a setup with 10+ hours of battery life, better than M3'ish performance on the CPU, better than Max GPU performance (when needed), in a < 1 kg package. I love it.
Thank god it doesn't have RTX 4xxx... it would easily be 2k then. However, it would be nice to have some MXxxx maybe something new like MX680 or something. For a little bit gaming ; )
“The naming on Intel processor are confusing”
AMD: hold my Ryzen 7000 series
😂😂😂
Josh I have a question, why you say is a 1360p on the Amazon listing, but your test show a 1370p, why is that, which processor is the correct one? Also can you do an H series comparison specially on the battery efficiency comparing m processors sustain better even with 2 k displays like in the MacBook air..
Good eyes. The engineering sample which I have is 1370. The retail will be 1360. They shouldn't perform that differently though
Maaannn, cant wait to see new amd mobile cpus.
I am still waiting for meteor lake with 40% efficiency and 21% higher performance compared to 13th gen, looking to pick between snapdragon 8cx gen 4 and intel meteor lake with chiplets aka tiles design.
Does this model have option to upgrade RAM or is it soldered in?
Judging by the video, this isn't really an M2 air killer; rather, it's a competitor. We're more than aware that MacOS's advantage isn't in benchmarks -- I'd love to see some real world performance metrics in a future review, if possible.
Laptops looks cool
8:30 I almost laughed at how stupid that is, god damn norton
Nice vid
Can I use it as a mobile workstation?
what's about heating issues ?
Hello Sir, Which Laptop do you recommend for Professional Adobe apps (Photoshop and After effects Motion design) usage? Need something I can Travel with and easy to work from anywhere. Budget is not an issue. Response will be appreciated, Thanks in advance.
When you tested the performance, was the laptop plugged in?
Yes always plugged in, unless I call it out specifically like in the battery section of this video (I mention performance when on battery)
I think it would be more fair to make the default testing to be on battery
@@mac3864 Or tests should be done with connected and disconnected. I would be quite interested in a comparison with a macbook.
you didn't even mention GPU performance and that made me sad.
Yes I did. I said it sucks :)
My man getting jacked
Far from perfect due to poor graphics, no OLED, 120Hz or QHD (2.8K), but it has merit compared to the Windows ultrabook market. For example, the new Galaxy Book3 Pro is priced similarly with half the RAM and storage. The Galaxy has OLED 3K 120Hz, so it may suit more than the higher spec of the MSI or vice versa.
With the MB Air and discounted MB Pro 14, I will easily go towards Apple as Intel laptops now match Apple in pricing. Even the Galaxy Book 3 Pro 8GB/i5/256GB is currently £200 more than the same spec MB Air M2!
keep your oled to yourself, we would not want to spend thousands on a device that last less than 3 years.
@@fantasytky28 Yes, OLED has drawbacks, and limited life is a concern. We must wait 1-2 more years to gauge their standing. An option would be nice though for those willing to take a chance.
Doesn't matter if it has to be plugged in to get that power
Josh, I love your videos but don’t be surprised when you order a white colored laptop with a white colored keyboard that the backlighting will be hard to make out…Should be fairly obvious by now…
Thank you for the nice note. Re the keyboard, there is a broad range of people who watch the videos. Unfortunately, not everyone watches multiple from my channel, or is familiar with laptop buying. So I may say things that seem obvious but may not be obvious to everyone
I like your style... but :) You can't really compare them they way you are...
1. Did you run all the benchmarks while connected to power?
2. If you did(I bet you did), then why are you talking batterylife just after?
3. If you want to talk batterylife, then run your benchmarks without power connected - that's a more fair comparison.
4. Batterylife is only relevant including the benchmarks so people can see what power they are getting on the road.
Let me know what the scores are on the 1370P on batterypower ;) hehe
Huge 75Whr battery with only 1200p screen and only 1% ahead of the Thinkpad with a 2.8K screen and a tiny 51Whr battery?
Not as impressive.
Also Cinebench score was better due to the wayyyy higher core count vs 2020 Zen3 8 core Ryzen, that too barely better.
Yes, soon as I saw the battery size, I realised that all the hype about battery life should be put in perspective. Imagine the other devices with the same battery capacity? Then this laptop does not look so clever.
This or dell XPS 13 plus?
Hi
Can you do a review on MSI summit 14 evo flip VS Asus zenbook 14 OLED
Performance on battery?
what about rtx 4050 version with mini led display? any info?
Still can’t compete with an M2 MacBook by a long shot in terms of ultra books. Great laptop, but apple still has multiple upper hands on every other laptop manufacturer out there currently.
Please make a review for msi stealth studio 16
Just test on balanced mode and use some applications. Not video playback. Intel laptop maybe will run normally only with disabled turbo boost. Because for every execution it runs at high frequency and boost's voltage on the chip. This "optimized" power control of laptops = laptop heat + increased battery drain.
I hope someone understands what I'm talking about.
Talking about unstable lifetime and loud fan noise under load.
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I understand what you are talking about. However, I do not think we, the consumers, should be forced to run our laptops handicapped i.e. without turbo boost. If laptop can't properly cool processor with Turbo Boost on, then put a less powerful processor inside, which will also save us some money!
@@JustJoshTech with less power CPU they put inside bad cooling system. And we have same problems
I don't like the battery life testing methodology, under no curcumstance will anyone does video playback only. My Dell XPS 13 plus with 1260P died after 4 hours of work.
An alternate testing methodology such as using a script running a set of daily tasks such as web browsing/ running Microsoft office suite/ chatting on discord and so on, performing those tasks each for like 10 minutes repeatedly, record how long it lasts and record the battery percentage. I believe it can be more close to real world use.
I agree. I need more time to develop this. It's a great idea
The new naming scheme is for the average consumer, more info means more distractions.
Hey josh, how is XPS 13 vs 13 PRO.
White laptop 💖💖💖💖💖💖
Actually I don't think Apple M2 has any advantages over Intel, remember Apple M2 made by TSMC most advanced technology and ARM architecture.
Could anyone elaborate / verify if this can handle Lightroom editing of 24Mpx photos with ease, please? Ideally when on battery, and not plugged in.
I'm in this weird mid-space, where I do a lot of photoediting as my hobby, but also prefer Windows and the least weight possible due to frequent work/travel regime - it's always M2 Air vs anything new that comes out, and this one seems to tick all the boxes, except the graphics and possibly thermal issues (I spend a lot of time in hot climates)
Josh, thanks for including the comment that the laptop can run at full tilt even on battery, that's a nice surprise!
Video editing ?
Watching Arrow? Cool.
Battery life?
Another M2 killer that’s not a m2 killer
greate job .. can u please review this one
Asus ZenBook 14 OLED Laptop
14"AMD Ryzen 7-5825UAMD Radeon Graphics1 TB M.2 NVMe PCIe 3.0 SSD
for semi-heavy programming and light gaming and light content creating
Josh, I think you should stop justifying 13" laptops having soldered ram. Framework was proven it can be done, heck even the gram 13 back in the day had replaceable ram along with two ssds slots
Buy the Framework if modular RAM is important. No one is forcing this laptop on you. Most of us only care if soldered.
Nice machine, hopefully they release a version with a 2.8k oled screen.