At this point I feel Spencer is in on it. She's his sister's friend since kindergarten. I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt but after her starting her own channel. Being placed in charge of money instead of a financial professional who's unbiased and won't misuse the money. All these things make me feel like Spencer is in on it. Especially the red pegan interview. As a lady who went through a weird pregnancy thing I had a year or so of constant aftercare. If she had so many pregnancy problems in like what 6 weeks? She would have needed so much aftercare.. I had to do labs everyday for two weeks. Had to run in to the hospital every morning. Then once every other day. Then once a week. Then once every other way. Plus constant doctors appointments to go over those labs. Just seems weird. Also apparently she never even tested positive for being pregnant. She just "knew". Im a survivor of truama and just the way she's talking about everything and how she's reacting to criticism irks me. Again as someone who's survived certain things if I hadn't had gone to the police I would understand that people want certain types of evidence especially when I'm doing a "call to action" on a public platform. It's all quite disturbing on max and Spencers behalf. Also what's ironic is max has more evidence against himself being a cult leader who uses social media to recruit than he has about this random nobody. And it's insane he uses "what have you done" as a deflection.
I have a rule: believe alleged victims, but don’t jump to persecute whoever they accuse. Wait for investigation. But yeah, Spencer’s weirding me out as a survivor, too.
Spencer is a walking example of the stereotypical Tumblr user; attention seeking, compulsive liar, drama fueled and in the end only in it for the money and power.
Mamamax gives onision vibes. He has a really bad hero complex. Like when he’s living with an actual “survivor” it doesn’t really make him look any better.
Don’t forget how cult-like he addresses and cultivates his audience, calling them his “children” and ordering them to do all kind of illegal shit, all in the name of a fabricated “justice” over his fake ARG shit
They’re pretty similar. Both are cringe edgelords, they briefly served in the military before being dishonorably discharged, have lots of ex-girlfriends who later made allegations, made awful music, created cults, and are heavily associated with pedophilia.
"Ryan's Toy Reviews, with your audience I believe you could significantly benefit the greater good and the overall survival of the human race by covering this story. As a child yourself, I believe your contribution would make a severe dent in the cycle of needless violence against the innocent souls of this plane of existence."
I don't want to make any extreme assumptions, but there's something definitely alarming about Spencer supposedly handling the donated money and the victims not knowing until just recently, especially given the context that Spencer was apparently a potential accomplice in aiding Camden recruit the alleged victims. It almost reads as if she's aware of the terrible trauma (inadvertently or purposefully) she helped inflict, and is now gaslighting the other alleged victims into thinking that she's now righting her wrongs by helping spearhead an extremely disorganized campaign to take their alleged abuser down. Again, really presumptuous of me to allude to that, but worth keeping in mind as this whole ordeal keeps unfolding.
The more Mamamax and Spencer speaks out, the more Spencer is losing sympathies from me and others. They really need to just shut up and deal with law enforcement behind the scenes if what they allege is true because it’s definitely looking more and more likely that Spencer has some ulterior motive with what’s happening here
From the start it felt like Max is using a horrible situation to clout beg. Also, he sounds like he is threatening to release the fear toxin over Gotham the whole time.
And this is why we don’t leave things, yes even hunting down predators, to vigilantes. 99% of the time, they’ll have some delusional unhinged beliefs that makes them compelled to do this and are complete amateurs who often causes more harm than actual good. People really need to stop putting up with internet vigilantes just because “his heart is in the right place and he’s hunting down predators” because this kind of thinking is what allows them to get away with so much shit that no one would otherwise ever tolerate in the first place
With how nearly every single person he contacted ignored him gives me a little hope. People need evidence and if he can't realize that he's lost and doomed to get sued into the DIRT by someone for defamation
My personal opinion is Max has gotten high off the abuse of power he controls, to label people as PDF files and does them with zero repercussions. He reminds me of a inquisition who decides who is guilty to his followers who he weaponizes like a cult leader, followed by ostricizing them having their family and co-workers contacted. He started with a good message but has completely lost the plot.
I feel like he’s been bullied in HS so now he gets off to having such control and power and now that things are crumbling, he’s desperately trying to grasp to any power he can
Misuse of referencing the inquisition. The whole point and definition of inquisition is that it is about evidence gathering, arraigning witnesses, and conducting or ordering civil trials
yeah, stopped watching him years ago because it's clear to me that his motivation isn't helping children, it's finding the scummiest people he can so he can ruin their lives without repercussions. the hotline miami thing he had going on for a while was really cool and well-executed but really edgy and lacking self-awareness at the same time lol
What's the "good message" He had? Pdf files are bad? WOOOOOOOOW! WHAT A MESSAGE! If I make a TH-cam channel and just talk about how murder is bad, pdf is bad, racism is bad. Do I then deserve to get a huge following and have my "message" hailed as good? Being against obviously bad things is not a message come on.
@TheThreatenedSwan that is the dictionary definition of Inquisition, the Spanish Inquisition falls more in line with corrupt dealings and false accusations
This whole situation is just an over-glorified ARG. The Camden guy is almost certainly in on it because the only footage that exists of him online seems to all come from Mamamax. He is in no rush to put this guy behind bars or to go to court despite claiming hundreds of "survivors" exist (yet somehow no one else on the planet has any information of any child, friend, or relative being involved in this "cult"). My Game Theory is that since it's confirmed Spencer is his friend and 0 news outlets have even reported on Camden's existence, I'm guessing he is also Mamamax's friend. It's probably a fake name so he isn't actually implicated in any real crime, and none of this is real. It solely exists to feed Max's God-complex super-ego that he's some warrior fighting to save children.
If this were to be the case and this is all like mega bait, I bet max’s whole game was supposed to be a bigger commentary on how content creators shouldn’t cover petty drama and focus on protecting the youth from the internet like it’s their job or something.
The worst part of the apology was “Now you need concrete evidence…” yeah for being a pedo i would imagine you do, other than a murderer a pedo is one of the WORST things you can ever be, and MommaMax apparently doesn’t need proof that someone is one? It just hurts my brain
He sounds so confused too. Like its a foreign concept for him. He cant mentally grasp that you need evidence to accuse someone of doing serious crimes.
@@D_an_Thats because his older content didnt have concrete evidence, he faked evidence to make it seem legit and people obviously thought that there was evidence. He has never tried to make a S assaulter go through the justice system, he just says he does but does nothing. He has been lying for 5 years doing what he swore to destoy, people dramatizing SA for views and clout. He is fucked up
I'm assuming she's referring to all the (presumed) minors with who he had _any_ type of direct contact online. Clearly, it's not that he'd had in-person interactions with "hundreds upon hundreds..." of minor children. "Victimized" is a wee bit over the top for chat messages or even DMs, and makes their story feel far less believable. 😒
One more thing, if this was just a "survivor" telling their story with names changed and stuff whatever. It is just the fact max and Spencer are doing "calls to action" doxxing and financial stuff it's just not how it works. You need evidence of you actually want something.
not if you're trying to recruit people into your own cult by all means necessary, because the cause is so important. the cult being p3d0hunting and it justifying anything done, to save the world.
I actually burst out laughing when he still reiterated how he cannot believe people won’t just listen to an alleged victim’s story without evidence. With this, it’s 100% clear he’s actually not sorry because he still doesn’t even understand what he did wrong and only saying it in a pathetic attempt to try to save his career
I’m about 90% sure this whole cult max has been going on about never existed. I think he just found some weird guy who likes to roleplay as a vampire and him and Spencer created this whole conspiracy to get Spencer a successful TH-cam career. And Max said he met Spencer and just then decided to help her out a shit ton, he never mentioned that he actually knew her since they were children and that she’s a close family friend. Strange that he never brought it up and acted like she was a random “survivor” he met until people really started scrutinizing him about it.
I was crying laughing at the little "OH NO!!"s in DeOrio's video. My bf thought I was losing my mind, but for some reason that silly shit took me tf OUT 🤣🤣💀
In my opinion, pedo hunting and vigilantism content should just be outright banned on TH-cam. The sheer number of mishandled cases far outweighs any of the proper channels.
Agreed, it feels like the vast majority of people in this field are not in it for anywhere near the right reason. Either clout, hero complex, just unhinged violent people looking for an excuse to enact their dark desires against someone worse than them who’s universally shunned by society, it’s never actually about helping the victims and only comes as an after thought
@internettraveler8666 The issue is that for every channel going down the proper legal channels, there are at least a dozen clout chasers who have never spoken to the police or lawyer
the biggest problem is them publishing content about their cases before ever even considering getting law enforcement involved, so once the actual perpetrators catch wind of being exposed they can just flee. which is probably why pablo sunny got away and why Max has never once caught a single pedo. it would be so much more satisfying if creators actually implicated and got pedos behind bars, and /then/ made content about that, instead of "this guy is bad" and the part 2 "oh no he escaped to the philippines"
@@goblinfairy1032 is there some sort of evidence of the dude grooming people in imvu? it's strange max couldn't even remember what he had said/lied about the dude
A good summary from what I can grasp is, Guy named Mamamax is sure some dude is a pedo, has no proof of it, got his story from someone who is currently living with him who he's known for a long time and who he claims is one of their victims, and last but not least he tried to guilt shame people into covering this story when he has exactly 0 proof the guy he's talking about has done anything wrong at all
@@NecroTheCrusaderit’s way deeper than that dude… This guy is just playing the victim and coping. He doxxed Camdan’s mother/brother, lied about a girl getting SA’d and unalived in one of his videos, he lied about everything every single video he’s ever done has been fake he admitted it himself, he’s never caught a single predator and lied about that, he doesn’t take accountability for his actions regarding the fumbling of this current case, he is manipulating the survivors, Spencer is the “money-manager” of his PATREON and donations, he trusts CHATGPT as his lawyer (he said it on a stream it’s recorded), he literally admitted to all of this in calls with Nick & Muta. I used to look up to this guy but he’s unhinged. He’s threatening to sue Mutahar now like an absolute lunatic, even though he’s admitted to never being in court or having a lawyer prior to this. He’s a liar and a fraud. He accused magnetar of being a ped0, because he was jealous he was dating a girl he obsessed over. I can’t wrap my head around this madness. I can’t believe he doxxed Camdan’s relatives though, he’s given Camdan a pure defamation case more than he has a case against him. He’s running a cult, and he has a hero/savior complex. I’m so disgusted.
This all started so long ago, I just couldn't remember all of what happened so thanks for the full story. Other commentary channels are just running the most recent event, which is fine but I just don't remember all the context
my biggest thing is like..... he reached out to commentary channels which by definition are (mostly) light-hearted, nonchalant drama typically. or rather things entirely focused on the internet. there's a whole other genre of youtube that would be better equipped to handle this type of sensitive issue because they already do it all the time....... true crime channels ! eleanor neale, kendall rae, nick crowley, disturbian, etc. true crime youtubers are known for having to put disclaimers, discussing theories abt cases that aren't proven, and even they would need more concrete evidence than "he said, she said."
this is like that gag in the Simpsons where a some women who have never met homer accuse him of harassing him and how their tears are all the evidence they need
The entire Cult Lore is just CWs Supernatural series fan fiction, intertwined with Vampire Diaries and its respective spin offs. I don’t know why people don’t realize that with a cursory google search of Leviathans, Arch Angels, Werewolves, Angels and Celestisls. It’s quite Literallly Supernatural series, Dean and Sam and Castiel Season 6 and beyond. What a gd joke. The FD thing is this Camdan dude could have very well had a Click of teens he convinced to send him naked pics. But who knows if he’s still doing it or if it happened at all because Max tried to turn this into a money making Venture with stupid wide arching Cult awareness garbage.
Toms the type of guy to go through all the available evidence, channel analytics and all “type of guy” comments before he decides to wear a hat to stream or not.
@nervesinapattern7261 Everytime the lawyer asks it a question it would be like, "Sorry, I cannot assist you with that. Please consult a professional or legal expert for advice."
Everyone always relates Max's cringe voice mod to batman but it sound more like hes trying to be a knockoff Jigsaw. Even with his 'callouts' it sounds like jigsaw introducing a new victim to a trap.
I swear, every single ''apology'' on TH-cam have consisted of blame-shifting, gaslighting, lying, playing the victim, and not taking any responsibility. It's like they don't even know how to construct a proper apology.
it's strange. even if you were bullshitter it's not like there's not like real guides or stuff in literature you could just lift even if if you thought to just do it as bullshit, it's like they got their education from nintendo games and translated anime and think they're master manipulators.
"I'm really sorry you all suck so bad that you framed Me for what I did- which wasn't even that bad!- but because I'm like a god among brain-damaged rats, I've decided in My grand benevolence to apologize to you poor little oath breakers" -standard public apology format
Incredible tom, you and i had the same fitness short term goal in mind, i bulked up from a fluctuating 170-180 to a steady 190-200, i just gotta work up my bench pr its only 205 rn 😢
I feel for Muta, because in his video, he's clearly hurt by some of the things Max says about him in his private discord server with all the survivors. The man had to see shit like, "We'll sue the man a million for each survivor because he's rich." And seeing that from someone you stood by for so long and tried to defend hurts. It really makes you question whether that person saw your friendship as just that or as a way to bolster his own channel and gain more money from his subs.
Honestly I think he wanted to make an arg at first but when people thought it was real he got the serotonin from feeling like he did something meaningful especially after being to depressed to even make hentai reviews. It gave him the boost and mental drive but he doesn’t actually know what's he doing and he's dug himself too deep now. He'll forever be just a sad boi with a sad channel
it's supposed to be some sort of a batman vengeance angel thing or some fucking dumb bullshit like that like the voice. I suppose it works on people in vulnerable position and trauma? or something?
Im fairly certain Max lied to his first girl he stalked about serving in the army. i have serious doubts based on language he used how much if he was ever a soldier
@@FukaiKokoro well to explain further, there is NO basic training school in Arizona. there IS an AiT training which is your job school i was 11b combat infantry so i was at ft benning GA. he said said he was in for a few months. standard basic training is minimum 10 weeks. But he could have unearth any number of medical reasons to get out, failure to train. something. caught smoking the drugs. who knows. but paying attention to the language he used and the couple of photos out there, didnt show anything particular that showed to me oh yeah, Those are barracks rooms. it was just him in a uniform you can buy at an army surplus.
@@ynwl-e4b 5 months is enough to get to AIT, but you wouldnt call AIT basic because you are a graduated soldier. the military is much less likely to kick you out for something like athsmea unless there was something seriously wrong with him, they would've switched his job and put him on a desk so they could get their money back from training him.
I think Max is having a mental health break, and he’s fallen into a fake or exaggerated story. I actually don’t blame him, simply because the stories he is constantly being told about peoples’ experiences of child abuse are horrific, and I’ve probably only seek 0.1% of them. That would certainly break me.
FYI: In order to prove defamation (in this case, defamation per se) you simply have to prove that the statements were made with essentially reckless disregard for the truth of the matter. Certain statements, under law, can be so damaging that they create a presumption of injury to the victim's reputation; accusing someone of a crime, or imputing serious sexual misconduct (all of which Mamamax is doing) and if you're not doing due diligence to confirm the information you can most definitely be held liable. Remember all the trouble Rolling Stone got in for publishing a sexual assault story and not verifying it properly??
Yeah that was truly upsetting. The coverage around it was insane especially when it was the Washington Journal that was able to get to the bottom of it including interviewing "Jackie's" friends who had spoken to her the night she was allegedly assaulted. They were even told a entirely different story.
Probably the worst aspect about this whole debacle is CJD’s name being dragged through the mud with literally zero evidence; other than some scene chick talking shit about him. Also, Max’s presentation style is garbage. True Crime Loser is probably the most gifted crime storyteller and he literally just sits in a room with zero editing. Max needs all the bells and whistles to account for his lack of storytelling skills.
It’s amazing that in under a 3 hour live stream this video provides infinitely more information and evidence than mamamax’s live stream with Spencer that he acts as if it’s a smoking gun
At this point I feel Spencer is in on it.
She's his sister's friend since kindergarten. I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt but after her starting her own channel. Being placed in charge of money instead of a financial professional who's unbiased and won't misuse the money. All these things make me feel like Spencer is in on it.
Especially the red pegan interview. As a lady who went through a weird pregnancy thing I had a year or so of constant aftercare. If she had so many pregnancy problems in like what 6 weeks? She would have needed so much aftercare..
I had to do labs everyday for two weeks. Had to run in to the hospital every morning. Then once every other day. Then once a week. Then once every other way. Plus constant doctors appointments to go over those labs.
Just seems weird. Also apparently she never even tested positive for being pregnant. She just "knew".
Im a survivor of truama and just the way she's talking about everything and how she's reacting to criticism irks me. Again as someone who's survived certain things if I hadn't had gone to the police I would understand that people want certain types of evidence especially when I'm doing a "call to action" on a public platform.
It's all quite disturbing on max and Spencers behalf. Also what's ironic is max has more evidence against himself being a cult leader who uses social media to recruit than he has about this random nobody.
And it's insane he uses "what have you done" as a deflection.
Unfortunately me too. I really don’t want to blame victims but there’s just something not right here
I have a rule: believe alleged victims, but don’t jump to persecute whoever they accuse. Wait for investigation.
But yeah, Spencer’s weirding me out as a survivor, too.
Spencer is a walking example of the stereotypical Tumblr user; attention seeking, compulsive liar, drama fueled and in the end only in it for the money and power.
you don't need evidence you just need to "understand" and that you're immoral if you don't - all that stuff is very culty, witch hunter culty.
That sounds like such a hard post partum period I am so sorry.
Mamamax gives onision vibes. He has a really bad hero complex. Like when he’s living with an actual “survivor” it doesn’t really make him look any better.
Don’t forget how cult-like he addresses and cultivates his audience, calling them his “children” and ordering them to do all kind of illegal shit, all in the name of a fabricated “justice” over his fake ARG shit
They’re pretty similar. Both are cringe edgelords, they briefly served in the military before being dishonorably discharged, have lots of ex-girlfriends who later made allegations, made awful music, created cults, and are heavily associated with pedophilia.
For real. Like when you look at his or Onision’s eyes, there’s something that isn’t there that should be, or something that is there that shouldn’t be
Mamamax literally did the “WhY dO yOu NeEd EvIdEnCe?!” meme in real life. Absolutely pathetic.
"Her tears say more than real evidence ever could."
@@ImTakingYouToFlavorTown accurate
@@ImTakingYouToFlavorTownplease don’t give Mamamax anymore funny ideas...
@@ImTakingYouToFlavorTown also I made up all the other shit about hacking and shit but THIS ONE IS REAAAL
@@lasskinn474 also believe all victims EXCEPT my exes
"Ryan's Toy Reviews, with your audience I believe you could significantly benefit the greater good and the overall survival of the human race by covering this story. As a child yourself, I believe your contribution would make a severe dent in the cycle of needless violence against the innocent souls of this plane of existence."
Just think of the audience that Skibidi Toilet could bring to this situation
LEVIATHANS ARE COMING FOR YOU....THINKNOODLES
Bruh wait until peppa pig joins the god cult
GET OUT OF HERE 😭😭😭
Nawwwww he didn’t say that Fr?!
Tom the type of guy to have leviathans pursue him for not throwing it back enough
He should get Oompaville to teach him
@@SinTelleroompas homeschooled. He learned a thing or two from his folks
tom the type of guy to go to the ecological dead zone and have leviathans after him.
Bro?😭✋
Leviathans are cooming for him
I don't want to make any extreme assumptions, but there's something definitely alarming about Spencer supposedly handling the donated money and the victims not knowing until just recently, especially given the context that Spencer was apparently a potential accomplice in aiding Camden recruit the alleged victims.
It almost reads as if she's aware of the terrible trauma (inadvertently or purposefully) she helped inflict, and is now gaslighting the other alleged victims into thinking that she's now righting her wrongs by helping spearhead an extremely disorganized campaign to take their alleged abuser down.
Again, really presumptuous of me to allude to that, but worth keeping in mind as this whole ordeal keeps unfolding.
Nope, I feel the same. Wasn't aware the victims had no idea about the money. That is really raising alarm bells for me.
I mean we had the one alleged victim begging on social media for 20$ for baby supplies.
Where was the money for her?
The more Mamamax and Spencer speaks out, the more Spencer is losing sympathies from me and others. They really need to just shut up and deal with law enforcement behind the scenes if what they allege is true because it’s definitely looking more and more likely that Spencer has some ulterior motive with what’s happening here
Spencer handling the money is definitely sus
Yeah all that is really sus. I don't like it. I hope it isn't as bad as we all think, but...
From the start it felt like Max is using a horrible situation to clout beg. Also, he sounds like he is threatening to release the fear toxin over Gotham the whole time.
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Sounds like he is about to put someone's head in a reverse bear trap.
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Tom's hair looking like a lego man just woke up.
Mamamax's remarks on "needing evidence" is terrifying. That is someone Salem Witch Trials behavior.
Bruh even the Salem trials had more evidence than Mama Max on Count Blackula
And this is why we don’t leave things, yes even hunting down predators, to vigilantes. 99% of the time, they’ll have some delusional unhinged beliefs that makes them compelled to do this and are complete amateurs who often causes more harm than actual good. People really need to stop putting up with internet vigilantes just because “his heart is in the right place and he’s hunting down predators” because this kind of thinking is what allows them to get away with so much shit that no one would otherwise ever tolerate in the first place
Which is baffling considering what happened between him and his 5 exes.
With how nearly every single person he contacted ignored him gives me a little hope.
People need evidence and if he can't realize that he's lost and doomed to get sued into the DIRT by someone for defamation
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My personal opinion is Max has gotten high off the abuse of power he controls, to label people as PDF files and does them with zero repercussions. He reminds me of a inquisition who decides who is guilty to his followers who he weaponizes like a cult leader, followed by ostricizing them having their family and co-workers contacted. He started with a good message but has completely lost the plot.
I feel like he’s been bullied in HS so now he gets off to having such control and power and now that things are crumbling, he’s desperately trying to grasp to any power he can
Misuse of referencing the inquisition. The whole point and definition of inquisition is that it is about evidence gathering, arraigning witnesses, and conducting or ordering civil trials
yeah, stopped watching him years ago because it's clear to me that his motivation isn't helping children, it's finding the scummiest people he can so he can ruin their lives without repercussions.
the hotline miami thing he had going on for a while was really cool and well-executed but really edgy and lacking self-awareness at the same time lol
What's the "good message" He had? Pdf files are bad? WOOOOOOOOW! WHAT A MESSAGE! If I make a TH-cam channel and just talk about how murder is bad, pdf is bad, racism is bad. Do I then deserve to get a huge following and have my "message" hailed as good?
Being against obviously bad things is not a message come on.
@TheThreatenedSwan that is the dictionary definition of Inquisition, the Spanish Inquisition falls more in line with corrupt dealings and false accusations
This whole situation is just an over-glorified ARG. The Camden guy is almost certainly in on it because the only footage that exists of him online seems to all come from Mamamax. He is in no rush to put this guy behind bars or to go to court despite claiming hundreds of "survivors" exist (yet somehow no one else on the planet has any information of any child, friend, or relative being involved in this "cult").
My Game Theory is that since it's confirmed Spencer is his friend and 0 news outlets have even reported on Camden's existence, I'm guessing he is also Mamamax's friend. It's probably a fake name so he isn't actually implicated in any real crime, and none of this is real. It solely exists to feed Max's God-complex super-ego that he's some warrior fighting to save children.
If this were to be the case and this is all like mega bait, I bet max’s whole game was supposed to be a bigger commentary on how content creators shouldn’t cover petty drama and focus on protecting the youth from the internet like it’s their job or something.
@@VroonGrimblowell he fucked up then
My game theory is that this was a polycule gone wrong and she's Max's gf
Holy shit I never thought of this but if this turns out to be true that would be the craziest plot twist
i doubt this dude is in on it, who would willingly be labeled as a pedophile and have his family doxxed and risk getting a life time of harrassment
The worst part of the apology was “Now you need concrete evidence…” yeah for being a pedo i would imagine you do, other than a murderer a pedo is one of the WORST things you can ever be, and MommaMax apparently doesn’t need proof that someone is one? It just hurts my brain
He sounds so confused too. Like its a foreign concept for him. He cant mentally grasp that you need evidence to accuse someone of doing serious crimes.
@@D_an_ It’s such an easy thing to grasp and understand, yet to him it’s like suddenly such an impossible task has been thrusted upon him…
@@D_an_Thats because his older content didnt have concrete evidence, he faked evidence to make it seem legit and people obviously thought that there was evidence. He has never tried to make a S assaulter go through the justice system, he just says he does but does nothing. He has been lying for 5 years doing what he swore to destoy, people dramatizing SA for views and clout. He is fucked up
@@dannymorales5549 I think his secret weapon was the voice. nobody approaching the thing with logic could stand to listen to the dude.
@@lasskinn474His fan base is primarily teenage girls, so yeah. It’s like corpse husband’s appeal being only veiny hands.
Tom the type of guy to sit down in the barber chair and say “circumcised please!”
One lego hair helmet,fine sir. To go.
Tom the kind of guy to catch as many Predators as MamaMax did
none?
@@wrigglingbatholith5810at least that much
So none?
People who got the joke in the replies
I've also caught as many predators as mamamax
Spencer say "hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of victims" where are they Spencer?
I'm assuming she's referring to all the (presumed) minors with who he had _any_ type of direct contact online. Clearly, it's not that he'd had in-person interactions with "hundreds upon hundreds..." of minor children. "Victimized" is a wee bit over the top for chat messages or even DMs, and makes their story feel far less believable. 😒
Spencer, are those hundreds upon hundreds of victims right here in the room with us ?
In his Dilusions
all from a guy whos supposedly 18
how do you manage to create an entire cult at the age of 18?
Based on her appearance, I'd say she ate them
One more thing, if this was just a "survivor" telling their story with names changed and stuff whatever. It is just the fact max and Spencer are doing "calls to action" doxxing and financial stuff it's just not how it works. You need evidence of you actually want something.
not if you're trying to recruit people into your own cult by all means necessary, because the cause is so important. the cult being p3d0hunting and it justifying anything done, to save the world.
I actually burst out laughing when he still reiterated how he cannot believe people won’t just listen to an alleged victim’s story without evidence. With this, it’s 100% clear he’s actually not sorry because he still doesn’t even understand what he did wrong and only saying it in a pathetic attempt to try to save his career
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I’m about 90% sure this whole cult max has been going on about never existed. I think he just found some weird guy who likes to roleplay as a vampire and him and Spencer created this whole conspiracy to get Spencer a successful TH-cam career. And Max said he met Spencer and just then decided to help her out a shit ton, he never mentioned that he actually knew her since they were children and that she’s a close family friend. Strange that he never brought it up and acted like she was a random “survivor” he met until people really started scrutinizing him about it.
Tom is the type of guy that has three cats in a trench coat and call it the turkey team.
and he calls his basement the Turkey tomb
@@strangerofthe2067And he calls his Kitchen the Turkey Tavern.
tom is the type of guy to buy gloves, 2 sponges, rubber bands and a monster in one purchase.
wouldnt it be better to use a pringles can?
@@eatmynutsarchmage4883the monster throws off normies
@@eatmynutsarchmage4883 a shotglass
@@Slay_No_Morea petri dish
@@ToxicMothBoi A plate?
MamaMax is slowly devolving into a discord mod.
It's so funny he's literally starting a "survivor" cult on discord.
That guy is a retard
He's basically now turned into the lol cow of the true crime and horror community on YT.
"My kittens meows will not go unheard."
He was already one 💀
So why is Spencer not in jail? She literally admitted to commiting a crime.
I dunno what her age was but luring 12 y/o at the lowest to have sex with him? She's already an accomplice at that point
I was crying laughing at the little "OH NO!!"s in DeOrio's video. My bf thought I was losing my mind, but for some reason that silly shit took me tf OUT 🤣🤣💀
In my opinion, pedo hunting and vigilantism content should just be outright banned on TH-cam. The sheer number of mishandled cases far outweighs any of the proper channels.
There’s that one anxiety guy who is pretty good
Agreed, it feels like the vast majority of people in this field are not in it for anywhere near the right reason. Either clout, hero complex, just unhinged violent people looking for an excuse to enact their dark desires against someone worse than them who’s universally shunned by society, it’s never actually about helping the victims and only comes as an after thought
@internettraveler8666 The issue is that for every channel going down the proper legal channels, there are at least a dozen clout chasers who have never spoken to the police or lawyer
the biggest problem is them publishing content about their cases before ever even considering getting law enforcement involved, so once the actual perpetrators catch wind of being exposed they can just flee. which is probably why pablo sunny got away and why Max has never once caught a single pedo. it would be so much more satisfying if creators actually implicated and got pedos behind bars, and /then/ made content about that, instead of "this guy is bad" and the part 2 "oh no he escaped to the philippines"
@@goblinfairy1032 is there some sort of evidence of the dude grooming people in imvu? it's strange max couldn't even remember what he had said/lied about the dude
Tom is the type of guy to be the type of guy.
There's something so ironic about how he's effectively become the sssniperwolf of TH-cam right now
He certainly got all the attention he wanted in the beginning 😂😂 hope he enjoys the moment
Tom the kind of guy to chase his buddys around the sleepover saying "ima get you tehehe ima get you , here comes the tickle monster"
Tom the type of guy to really think the clothed to shirtless cut 20 minutes in would go unnoticed
Thanks for making a full timeline analysis man. This situation is really confusing to me for some reason. Keep up he great work brother 👍
A good summary from what I can grasp is, Guy named Mamamax is sure some dude is a pedo, has no proof of it, got his story from someone who is currently living with him who he's known for a long time and who he claims is one of their victims, and last but not least he tried to guilt shame people into covering this story when he has exactly 0 proof the guy he's talking about has done anything wrong at all
Because it's a bunch of random nonsense resembling a schizo rant thrown together to try and make some *dark story* for views lmao.
@@NecroTheCrusaderit’s way deeper than that dude…
This guy is just playing the victim and coping. He doxxed Camdan’s mother/brother, lied about a girl getting SA’d and unalived in one of his videos, he lied about everything every single video he’s ever done has been fake he admitted it himself, he’s never caught a single predator and lied about that, he doesn’t take accountability for his actions regarding the fumbling of this current case, he is manipulating the survivors, Spencer is the “money-manager” of his PATREON and donations, he trusts CHATGPT as his lawyer (he said it on a stream it’s recorded), he literally admitted to all of this in calls with Nick & Muta. I used to look up to this guy but he’s unhinged. He’s threatening to sue Mutahar now like an absolute lunatic, even though he’s admitted to never being in court or having a lawyer prior to this. He’s a liar and a fraud. He accused magnetar of being a ped0, because he was jealous he was dating a girl he obsessed over. I can’t wrap my head around this madness. I can’t believe he doxxed Camdan’s relatives though, he’s given Camdan a pure defamation case more than he has a case against him. He’s running a cult, and he has a hero/savior complex. I’m so disgusted.
Toms the type of guy to drop a chilli dog in the floor, pick it up and say “5 second rule!” Before extending his jaw out and consuming it in one bite.
And then slurping his fingers one by one and saying "yummers, i want more!"
tom is the type of guy to clarify things in a confusing situation
If max wanted to get this drama out there with 0 research or evidence he should have asked Def Noodles.
Tom the type of guy to be white but still have a current light skin meme about him
I’ve loved your lives recently! You’re hilarious and so well-spoken and make great points. Sorry you had a bad friend. Dude can drop off ✌🏽
This all started so long ago, I just couldn't remember all of what happened so thanks for the full story. Other commentary channels are just running the most recent event, which is fine but I just don't remember all the context
Tom the type of guy to turn to ChatGPT for legal advice.
Honestly I’m just shocked how Mamamax manages to make everything worse for himself every step of the way
my biggest thing is like..... he reached out to commentary channels which by definition are (mostly) light-hearted, nonchalant drama typically. or rather things entirely focused on the internet. there's a whole other genre of youtube that would be better equipped to handle this type of sensitive issue because they already do it all the time....... true crime channels ! eleanor neale, kendall rae, nick crowley, disturbian, etc. true crime youtubers are known for having to put disclaimers, discussing theories abt cases that aren't proven, and even they would need more concrete evidence than "he said, she said."
bro everytime he says joseph rogan i lose my shit
this is like that gag in the Simpsons where a some women who have never met homer accuse him of harassing him and how their tears are all the evidence they need
I wonder what's for DINNER
I hope they made lotsa spaghetti!
I'm so hungry, I could eat an octorock!
Whatever I see,i Shall eat and devour!
I'll forgive MamaMax when he scrubs ALL the floors in Hyrule.
The entire Cult Lore is just CWs Supernatural series fan fiction, intertwined with Vampire Diaries and its respective spin offs. I don’t know why people don’t realize that with a cursory google search of Leviathans, Arch Angels, Werewolves, Angels and Celestisls. It’s quite Literallly Supernatural series, Dean and Sam and Castiel Season 6 and beyond. What a gd joke. The FD thing is this Camdan dude could have very well had a Click of teens he convinced to send him naked pics. But who knows if he’s still doing it or if it happened at all because Max tried to turn this into a money making Venture with stupid wide arching Cult awareness garbage.
Tom the kind of guy to say “aw jeez” when something bad happens
Toms the type of guy to go through all the available evidence, channel analytics and all “type of guy” comments before he decides to wear a hat to stream or not.
'ChatGPT understands the legal system' DA FUQQQQQQQQQ LOOOOOOOOOL
he used chatgpt for the scripts too.
ChatGPT taking the stand In the future court case trial
@nervesinapattern7261 Everytime the lawyer asks it a question it would be like, "Sorry, I cannot assist you with that. Please consult a professional or legal expert for advice."
@@mcflurryfrostie “goddamit what am I paying you for!” I’m imagining a laptop with a suit jacket draped over it.
Tom the type of guy to burrow himself in the dirt and pretend to be a raddish
Everyone always relates Max's cringe voice mod to batman but it sound more like hes trying to be a knockoff Jigsaw. Even with his 'callouts' it sounds like jigsaw introducing a new victim to a trap.
I’ve seen a lot of people say it’s a combination of Jigsaw & Batman & I think it’s probably the most accurate description.
tom the kind of guy to ask for questions before he starts his presentation
Tom the kind of guy that would fight a biblical monster with jujitsu
tom is the type of guy to watch videos of himself while shirtless
I joined this live, saw Tom shirtless, got blinded, and then left.
I swear, every single ''apology'' on TH-cam have consisted of blame-shifting, gaslighting, lying, playing the victim, and not taking any responsibility. It's like they don't even know how to construct a proper apology.
Nickisnotgreen's was surprisingly good, only time will tell if it's genuine though.
it's strange. even if you were bullshitter it's not like there's not like real guides or stuff in literature you could just lift even if if you thought to just do it as bullshit, it's like they got their education from nintendo games and translated anime and think they're master manipulators.
@@trumpflavourednugget9325 it took 3 trys (or so). But you right, only time will tell.
"I'm really sorry you all suck so bad that you framed Me for what I did- which wasn't even that bad!- but because I'm like a god among brain-damaged rats, I've decided in My grand benevolence to apologize to you poor little oath breakers"
-standard public apology format
Good to see tom got the Netherite Helmet
Incredible tom, you and i had the same fitness short term goal in mind, i bulked up from a fluctuating 170-180 to a steady 190-200, i just gotta work up my bench pr its only 205 rn 😢
Tom is the type of guy who never left 2008 and wears beanies to form his hair. Also likes to think Sk8r Boy by Avril Lavigne is about him.
we wore cookie monster snapbacks, not beanies in 07/08. Keep your diss accurate my man.
It is about him
I feel for Muta, because in his video, he's clearly hurt by some of the things Max says about him in his private discord server with all the survivors. The man had to see shit like, "We'll sue the man a million for each survivor because he's rich." And seeing that from someone you stood by for so long and tried to defend hurts. It really makes you question whether that person saw your friendship as just that or as a way to bolster his own channel and gain more money from his subs.
His deep voice reminds me of those "Top 50 Scariest SCPS" videos lmao
The best business model is finding out how to exploit the exploited. Congratz Max
Sympathy to Nicholas. I hope he got good zzz's. I know how that feels to be awake for 3 days.
By hour 36, you are supremely strung out.
Honestly I think he wanted to make an arg at first but when people thought it was real he got the serotonin from feeling like he did something meaningful especially after being to depressed to even make hentai reviews. It gave him the boost and mental drive but he doesn’t actually know what's he doing and he's dug himself too deep now. He'll forever be just a sad boi with a sad channel
I like how Tom reacted to this whole video as if it was his first time but he's literally in it as a cameo at the end lmao
What’s creepy is Max thumbnails. This is a serious topic and in each thumbnail he is smiling.
it's supposed to be some sort of a batman vengeance angel thing or some fucking dumb bullshit like that like the voice. I suppose it works on people in vulnerable position and trauma? or something?
He is a weirdo
@@penguinomega5672are you on a lot of max videos lately I swear Iv seen your profile pic around lol
@@lasskinn474It doesn't it works for teenage girls corpse husband fans.
Tom Dark the kinda guy to sing along to Blink-182 in the car with the windows rolled down and wind flying through his hair
shirtless with a bowlcut is fucking CRAZY bro 😭✋️
MamaMax takes “silence is violence” as something that should be taken seriously.
So he let a supposed victim who’s completely broke and has no experience handling money or budgeting be in charge of all the funds? That’s insane!
Tom the type of guy to upload his stream vod and disguise it as a video
Tom the kinda guy to just sit back till the offenders expose themselves
tom the type of guy to randomly take off his shirt during stream in freezing -10c temperature
ikr bro's a literal psycho
can’t believe nick diorio’s video lasted longer than mama max could survive the military
Tom the type of guy to say “Ah breakfast the most important meal of the day” while eating breakfast.
Turkey Tom? More like Topless Tom 😂😂😂😂😂
Tom is the type of guy to update us in the previous mamamax pedos victims.
Tom the sorta fella to become unspeakably cursed after opening a decrepit, forbidden mummy tomb.
mama max's whole personality is based off of Hudson and the Black Ops One intro 😂
Love that Tom busted a usatechreview move of going shirtless hahaha
Im fairly certain Max lied to his first girl he stalked about serving in the army. i have serious doubts based on language he used how much if he was ever a soldier
He was but he got booted extremely fast
@@FukaiKokoro well to explain further, there is NO basic training school in Arizona. there IS an AiT training which is your job school i was 11b combat infantry so i was at ft benning GA. he said said he was in for a few months. standard basic training is minimum 10 weeks. But he could have unearth any number of medical reasons to get out, failure to train. something. caught smoking the drugs. who knows. but paying attention to the language he used and the couple of photos out there, didnt show anything particular that showed to me oh yeah, Those are barracks rooms. it was just him in a uniform you can buy at an army surplus.
@@ynwl-e4b 5 months is enough to get to AIT, but you wouldnt call AIT basic because you are a graduated soldier. the military is much less likely to kick you out for something like athsmea unless there was something seriously wrong with him, they would've switched his job and put him on a desk so they could get their money back from training him.
@@charaznable6597AIT is basically basic+
apparently he recorded a video of him cutting himself and got booted because it was also a suicide attempt? something like that@@charaznable6597
I think Max is having a mental health break, and he’s fallen into a fake or exaggerated story. I actually don’t blame him, simply because the stories he is constantly being told about peoples’ experiences of child abuse are horrific, and I’ve probably only seek 0.1% of them. That would certainly break me.
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i like how you see a 100 dollar dono saying "shirt off" then it jump cuts to tom shirtless lmao
"5hrs is enitre workday" ok there mister youtuber
why he looking like 70's paul mccartney 😭😭😭
Mamamax the kind of guy to say "lets play a game" but he lost half the pieces
21:55 THE DONO TO THE CUT TO HIS SHIRT OFF LMAO
Gonna need this to edge later
Bro he's asking people with bigger audiences not people who genuinely cover those kinds of topics.
I miss Half Baked alot. Such a good podcast
FYI: In order to prove defamation (in this case, defamation per se) you simply have to prove that the statements were made with essentially reckless disregard for the truth of the matter. Certain statements, under law, can be so damaging that they create a presumption of injury to the victim's reputation; accusing someone of a crime, or imputing serious sexual misconduct (all of which Mamamax is doing) and if you're not doing due diligence to confirm the information you can most definitely be held liable. Remember all the trouble Rolling Stone got in for publishing a sexual assault story and not verifying it properly??
Yeah that was truly upsetting. The coverage around it was insane especially when it was the Washington Journal that was able to get to the bottom of it including interviewing "Jackie's" friends who had spoken to her the night she was allegedly assaulted. They were even told a entirely different story.
Phoenix Wright: Chat GPT understands the legal system, your honor!
Tom the type of guy to not know you can hit the < and > keys to advance and rewind a paused TH-cam video frame by frame
Man that norm shout out, good to see people like real comedy
Oh my lord Tom. You need to get a little sun. You're snow white. Like you know how snow is so white the sun reflects weird and hurts your eyes.
Vitamin D deficiency incoming... he'd better stock up on Pokimane's mushroom cookies!
This is my favorite channel to watch while carving
Blud dont know the leviathans are coming💀💀💀
The light from your screen reflecting off your skin is a little blinding. This is why we wear shirts
Probably the worst aspect about this whole debacle is CJD’s name being dragged through the mud with literally zero evidence; other than some scene chick talking shit about him.
Also, Max’s presentation style is garbage. True Crime Loser is probably the most gifted crime storyteller and he literally just sits in a room with zero editing. Max needs all the bells and whistles to account for his lack of storytelling skills.
Ill never un-hear "Joseph Rogan" Whenever anyone say his name ever again😂😂
Well known Jewish podcaster Joseph Roganberg.
Spencer is taking Max for a ride. It’s actually hilarious
At this point I'm convinced that Max is a child predator and this whole charade is a smokescreen.
Bro look up “Anonymous Agony” same thing. Guy larps as a super edgy Phunter but is the biggest P around
i look away for one second and toms shirt is off, why?
I asked the same. Why ?
the cadences in your voice kinda makes you sound like critical if he stopped halfway through puberty
Tom the type of guy to lose his leviathan to Medusa
It’s amazing that in under a 3 hour live stream this video provides infinitely more information and evidence than mamamax’s live stream with Spencer that he acts as if it’s a smoking gun