Nikola Jokic's BOGUS MVP Blows Up Gil's Arena
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- Nikola Jokic's BOGUS MVP Blows Up Gil's Arena as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew battle over who they think deserved the NBA MVP Award between Jokic & Shai Gilgeous Alexander and debate if Shai carrying the young Oklahoma City Thunder to the #1 Seed should've been enough to take down Jokic and his Denver Nuggets after taking a step back this season.
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Jokic was without Murray for 23 games and still had the same record as the Thunder.
Except that at the beginning of the season, OKC wasn't even projected to make the playoffs, let alone be the number 1 team.
@@abigailmcdonald9133 Then Jokic should have gotten an MVP back in 2018-19 because Nuggets weren't expected to be a second seed in the West?
@@miloslazarski9140 That year it went to the best player on the best team in the league, Giannis. Compare Giannis' stats to Jokic stats that year and there's absolutely no comparison.
My point is, there's a heavy price to pay for greatness.You are giving the defending champion credit for missing a key player and still keeping afloat. Heck, you are not even giving the team credit, you are giving one player credit only, Jokic. Forget Porter, Gordon, or KCP. This is the defending champions with their primary core in tact.
@@abigailmcdonald9133 Well Shai stats arn't better than Jokic's stats this year while they have the same record. On the other hand Jokic has better record than Luka's team (best of both worlds basically). Imo if Jokic wasn't going to get it it should have been Luka. Jokic should have been MVP last year, Luka or Shai this year. As for Embiid, 0 MVPs so far, sorry.
Kenyon: “you’re contradicting yourself”
McCants: “ I can do that “
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He has to do this stuff on purpose to piss everyone off. He's playing a role, right? He can't be serious with some of this stuff...😅😂
@@taylormadealpha it’s crazy tho because at the end they all agreed with what he said tho
Rashad don't get debo'ed by Kmart we will call the ambulance 💯💯💯💯🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Saying Anthony Edwards is the best player in the league right now over someone like Luka who gets 34/9/9 is insane!!! Jennings is a clown for that statement.
Luka chokes every playoffs but it’s never his fault
Yapping at its finest😭😭😭😭😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Where was this narrative against the Clippers or Phoenix Suns in 2022
Luka stats don't transcend to wins tho
They act like ja don't play no more
@@robscotty4902 how was going to the Western Conference final two years ago choking when they ultimately lost to the team that won it all. He's not Booker
This pod is unbelievable. Near triple-double, tied for first, no all-stars on his team, his right-hand man out a significant portion of the year, his efficiency stats leading the NBA by a mile, and it's a "bogus" win??
exactly but nobody wanna hear it, all people looking at basic stats
@@almighty.J6They don’t wanna look at the top 10 in points, rebounds and assists
Giannis should've got it if you ask me 30pts (2nd )11.5 rebs (6th) 6 ast(14th) 61.1 % fg (7th) #414LOVE
@@sidsid3645 Nahhh no way. He had a great year, but the Bucks were tied for the 9th best record in the league. Luka had a better record in a better division, ~4 more points, ~3 more assists, only ~2.5-3 less rebounds, and played without Kyrie, Lively, Exum, and others for long stretches. He was my MVP with a comfortable lead, Giannis was probably 3rd or 4th. Solid regular season to add to his HoF resume though. He's going to be underrated asf when he retires.
It's because he is Serbian and that's why the white media hate him and the blacks hate him because he is white and has Serbian orthodox values that are the opposite of American individualistic, Instagram, brand advertising, boasting values. When these guys see Jokic dominatijg all the black players they can't help but hate him. When you are raised and told that your automatically better then someone else in basketball and sports in general because of the skin colour you have than we get issues like this. Racism amongst the blacks is rampant and needs to be put on check.
I love when he asked them 'Who's the best player?' Silence mode, their faces PRICELESS! 😂😂😂
They didn’t wanna say Jokic lmao
No it’s was a lot of cats hooping but hands down embiid was hooping on another level he doesn’t get hurt that man is mvp again
@@rodricousarrington8480 But how do you know that if he's not playing? Fortune teller?
Joel was the best player in the league last year. LeBron was cheated out of at least 2 league MVP's...simple
@@Sagpio75even they said jokic was the bst player last month. Now they switch up for their arguments fake ass
Kmart said it. It's the voters and their "criteria" for mvp. None of the players are to blame for how the award is voted on, which is what the media continues to do.
He definitely deserved it last year Kendrick Perkins sabotaged last year with race bs
And most of us know corporate media has an agenda.
KMart a idiot🤦🏾♂️ he need to be fired🤦🏾♂️
Gotta pump racism into the headlines to sell subscriptions.
Yep imagine getting criticized and hated on for something you have no control over.
For long time viewers: This Kmart & Mccants thing is a major moment in this show. We’ve seen the body language and non verbal disgusts Kmart has for Rashad. But he finally expressed how he feels about Rashad and it’s not good at all. We’re gonna see more heated moments between the two.
Not good? This is GREAT. Gonna be like when Shannon and Skip got into it. Love it. He called McCants a child LMAOO
Kmart is boring as hell and has some weird takes. McCants way more entertaining and important to the show
Miko found out whos opinion was more valuable to the show😅
@@Christo_Trismegistus you must be a dumbahhh to that’s jus like drama…go watch BET
Facts, all he do is argue and never has good points. That one Allstar he made going over his head.@@Christo_Trismegistus
Jokic deserved the MVP. They all just being bias. He is one of the greatest centres of all time. They just don't want to recognise him that way.
What is their bias?
@@FirstHorizon388 Stop.
@@FirstHorizon388 It's obvious, he's white lmao.
@@JCisKING20what’s their bias, and before you say stop actually answer the question
@@ThaTruth223 No.
At this point McCants just know how to get under y’all skin 😭😭😭
Professionally 😂
Nah. When u was a below average NBA player trolling is the only thing that gets you by.
… McCants is on the spectrum. His social skills are mute. Even his championship teammates don’t fw him; Gil a good friend to him.
And he the biggest there💪... they not gonna try him forreal😂😭
Mcants the only that be 🍆 riding , he got a mind of own and his takes be on point .
He didn't contradict himself, he was proving that by Kmarts standards it should have been Nash. But then Kmart contradicts himself by arguing.
Can't believe I had to scroll down this far to find someone who pointed this out. Everyone just automatically gets on Mccants case without listening to what his full point just because it's the popular thing to do
@@louiev1833They’re not looking at the keyword in MVP “Valuable” that means making your teammates around you better sacrificing shots so MPJ, Aaron Gordon and KCP can average double digit points
He contradicted himself cause he brought up Nash and Nash won cause he had the best record that's a contradiction🤦🏿♂️. SAG did the same thing and he didn't win it but then u have 23 goofy's agreeing with u like what u said made sense when that was CLEARLY a contradiction 😂😂
@@genosmith-cb6vq Denver 57-25 ... OKC 57-25 ... records are a wash ... the better player Nikola Jokic and it is in no way close.
@@genosmith-cb6vqthats not what he said, you dingus. He said Boston had the best record, so why didnt someone from them win? By their criteria it should have been Tatum, that‘s what he is saying. By their criteria, Nash‘s MVP was completely justified.
It's not easy averaging 30 points congratulations to Shai for being a contender but it's called Most Valuable Player. The Joker averages 26 12 and 9. That's crazy for anybody
Doncic is much more better and valuable than shai. Doncic has consistently been dominant since he had arrived in the NBA and is on a different level. If doncic had black skin then these guys would be calling him the next MJ or Kobe.
It is easy to average 30
@@not-much-but-enough don't use black skin as a reference to what we are talking about. It has nothing to do with skin.Nikola Jokic has how many MVP's. I'll wait
@@josenunez611 you don't know basketball my friend
@@f.o.cc.a9590 you acting like these stats are crazy 🤣 you probably barley started watching basketball
When Rashad asked them WHO IS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE NBA, that silence told us everything you need to know
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Why they sit them 2 men next to each other 😂
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this been building for a while they hate each other
Makes for great entertainment 😆
Maybe they are gays , this is one explanation😂😂😂.
Does that make you uncomfortable?
These guys are proof that just because you play NBA doesn't mean you know basketball lol. Lets talk about their SGA got robbed stuff. Jokic was top 10 in scoring, top 5 in Rebs and top 3 in asst, He was more efficient than SGA, they finished with the same record despite Murray missing 30 games. Jokic was number 1 in damn near every ADV stat which usually dictates whats an MVP, plus minus, VORP, PER,TS% etc he was number 1. Denver differential when Jokic is on the floor and off the floor is also larger than SGA with OKC. Last point on the SGA stuff, he put up very similar great numbers last year but they were 9th, this year they are 1st... Go look at SGA's stats last year its almost identical but there is a big jump in record and seeding, why is that? could it be because Chet finally played? Jwill went from 14 a game to almost 20 a game? Not taking anything away from SGA, I think he is the best SG in bball, I had him 3rd in my MVP after jokic and luka, hell of a player but to say he got robbed because he lost to Jokic is absurd and just straight up hating on Jokic.
Very objective and everything you said is completely correct. Anyone who validates an opinion by saying ‘well players say so’ show their own idiocy.
Facts.
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@@tafaritaylor19 What you denying about the post?
Facts!! I hate that they played in the NBA crap they always try to pull on everybody. That doesn’t mean your word is law. Mccants made the most sense out of them all here and they try to discredit him just because of his NBA career. That stuff is so lame
Personally I'd rather have jokic than embids and fact is jokic plays more games every yr whether there a 65 game minimum or not
If you want to get past the first round in the playoffs, you better have Jokic.
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@@THEREALLORDJif you rather have embiid over jokic you don’t know anything about basketball
@@yeheheyee9998 WELL IF EMBIID WAS JUST A ALL-STAR LEVEL PLAYER I'D SEE YOUR POINT BUT ON TALENT ALONE AND THE FACT HE ROUTINELY OUTPLAYS JOKIC, JUST LEAVES YOU WITH AN ARGUEMENT OF AVAILABILITY!!!
Mccants is the most reasonable one here.
By far
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McCants is 2010 randy orton level heel LMAO
FACTS 😂😂😂
That's disrespectful to randy.. mccants don't got the career or game to be compared to a great... lol
How many of those voters were white vs black I would wonder. Old vs young. Played vs didn't play. Need the dynamics
@@awptsmhow many of them voted Embiid over Jokic.
I love this comment 😂
To title this video Nikola Jokic’s “BOGUS” MVP is crazy
it fits
@@AllThingsKen hell no. nuggets missed murray for 30 games funny how they never mention that? they also still have same record as OKC. If you want to go points its luka if you want to go seeding its tatum. shai has no case for mvp
clickbait
_--i DiDN'T WATCH THE NBA ThiS Season .. BUT HOW DiD OKC (((definition of trash))) GET THE #1 SEED ..iN THE West🤯?? .. THAT'S NOT A Playoff-Level Team , LAST i ReMeMBeR L😭L!!-_-
@chay770 If Murray didn't come back last year, then they go gome in the first round. Who put them over against the Lakers? That sloppy boy isn't shit and his quick reign is over.
The difference between 1st and 2nd was NOTHING !!! 57-25… what are yall talking bout.
What’s the head to head? What determined them being #1? Has to be something
Ok so why was Tatum basically not even mentioned in the discussion! They literally gave Steve Nash a MVP for this exact reason. Being the best player on the team wit the best record. They changed the narrative so they could give it to the player they wanted to have it
@@johnnypayn3414OKC won 3 out 4
@@chuckEdopemoves yeah, so inconsistent with the voting. voters should be 50% HallofFamers and 50% ex nba players. this media narrative voters fucked up a lot of players.
True @@chuckEdopemoves
Joker's 2023-2024 season: PPG - 26.4 12TH, RPG - 12.4 4TH, APG-9 4TH, SPG -1.4 1ST AMONG CENTERS, FG%-58.3% 10TH, USG%- 28.8% 24TH, TOTAL DEFLECTION 5TH, PER-31 1ST, WS-17 1ST, OWS-12 1ST, DWS-5.1 2ND, BPM-13.2 1ST, DD -68 2ND, TD-25 2ND. Joker has the highest PER in NBA history. This doesn't include all of the records he has broken or set this season. Jamal out for over 20 games, and he has carried the Nuggets to the playoffs once again. SGA's resume is nowhere near this. 51 30+ point games, and leading a young team doesn't qualify you for MVP. SGA: 30.1 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 6.2 APG, FG% 54. Why do you always have to discredit someone? Worst MVP in over 40 years? Nice try. 🤡 Haters.
Jokic is such a great two way player. All the players laud his Incredible defense and have been for the last 9 years.😂
@@SaySpawnwhen did SGA become a defender?
@@Goldenj360 well he is the guardian of the corner 3! They call him summer warrior
That's all good and dandy but he still wasn't the best player this season lmao
@@Goldenj360clearly when u stopped watching basketball
He led the NBA in PER (Player Efficiency Rating), finished 2nd in total assists (3rd in APG), 3rd in total rebounds (4th in RPG), 5th in total points (10th in PPG), 8th in total steals (20th in SPG) and 10th in field goal percentage.
Jokić also led the league in Win Shares (17.0), Offensive Win Shares (12.0), Box Plus/Minus (13.2), Offensive Box Plus/Minus (9.0), Defensive Box Plus/Minus (4.2) and Value Over Replacement Player (10.6). Additionally, Joker led the Nuggets in total points, rebounds, and assists for the seventh consecutive season, becoming the first player in NBA history to accomplish this feat (no one had done this in four straight seasons prior to Nikola in 2020-21).
If you have to write all that , to persuade people he should be mvp . Thats how you know he shouldnt have won mvp!
@@brandoblack7318 hell no. nuggets missed murray for 30 games funny how they never mention that? they also still have same record as OKC. If you want to go points its luka if you want to go seeding its tatum. shai has no case for mvp
@@chay770 they did mention that. funny how you didn't watch the video or didn't comprehend it and came to your own conclusions about what they were saying. They said why Shai has a case for mvp: best player on best team in a CLEARLY BETTER conference who wasnt even projected to be anywhere close as to high as they are before the season started
@@dre27321 Thats some lazy analysis and when everytime gil mention jokic he never mentions that on nightcap he said “ i think he was 3rd on the west” so stop lying. Gil also mention the overall seed when mentioning jokers mvp.. 10th seed ,6th seed” but when he talks about shai he’s 1 seed lmao. Yall just don’t like this euro guy is killing the nba. You can see when rashad asked them who the best nba player was they was silent for 10 secs cause they know who they were just petty. They all said a month ago jokic was the best player btw, if you take your takes from gil then u a dumbo
@@brandoblack7318 That makes zero sense.
Jokic met all the criteria. His numbers aren't empty because the team needs everyone one of those rebounds, points, and assists to win and have one of the best records in the league. Jokic is their entire system of success. You can replace Jamal Murray on the Nuggets, you can't replace Jokic.
You saying he met all the criteria but there is no official criteria when voting for the MVP that’s what the whole segment was about they give to whom ever the want year by year
I hear you, SGA is not replaceable for OKC
Facts!!!
Rashad made the biggest point when he asked if it’s the best player on the best team… another reason is Boston is 7 games clear of OKC & their win margin was historical… penalizing them for their conference is the same criteria shifting you are accusing the media of…
That and the west isn't top heavy like the easy
I think it's also because they have like 4 Allstars, and 3 #1 type options on their squad. So when you add that all up in the regular season, that doesn't add up too much of a case for anybody on the Celtics unfortunately. They should do the awards right after the regular season and have a MVP and a Most Outstanding Player award
rashad is becoming great with his takes. Uses your logic against you since mfs wanna act like he always trippen. He does have that nah move tf around opinion sometime typa opinion but its not a lie most of the time. Speaks a harsh reality that 2024 nba has moved away from
That was how it used to be
If Boston played in the west the be a 4 seed
You can't make an argument for Shai and mention his scoring, when Luka scored way more, assisted more, and was overall a highly productive player. There is no real criteria to actually weigh on favor of Shai when considering numbers, it's either a case for Luka or Jokic, the only difference is that Shai is black.
SGA a better defender than Joker and Luka...so there's that. But I guess when we judge how valuable a player is, we gotta forget about defense.😂
@@antuanleach6762Its funny how these same people complain about lack of defense in today's league yet will turnaround and throw that aspect out the window to claim their favorite Euro player is better😂😂
@imaginethat3026 right. SGA mess around and make all nba and an all defense team. But somehow, two guys who will never sniff an all defense team is better.
@@imaginethat3026 I wouldn't say that defense is not important, Jokic is more important than Shai for different reasons, but i agree that defense should be weighed with more importance because caring only about scoring is deceiving.
@@antuanleach6762 Jokic is not completely useless in defense like let's say, a Tray Young, he will actually try to box out with the other team's big man, but of course, he is slower than most, i would agree that defense is an aspect in which Shai is objectively better than Jokic, just like Jokic is a way better rebounder and passer than Shai, and like in every advanced statistic, he is more valuable, but I'd agree that Shai is a better defender.
I think Rashad is the hidden gem 🥸
He low-key is lol
They all are, Gil, Kmart, Rashad, thats the core
Hell no, Mccants thinks he’s always right even when he contradicts himself. That’s a hidden gem to you?
Rashad might be the realest on the show @@Kieso904 gilbert kenyon ND bj are walking contradictions. You letting your Fandom blow smoke u ya rear. Just pass episode they said Jokic was the best Player in the NBA. Now Joel is the best in the NBA to these ppl. It's crazy.
@@Kieso904 where did he contradict himself? He literally made them eat their words.
Fun fact Rashad mccants dropped his career high in the league on Kenyon 😂
2 different positions 🤦♂️
@@mblu3tees552 oh the films on TH-cam Kenyon was guarding him
No one remember him like they did Keyon don’t get it twisted!!
@@reachllnx3954 lol i’m sure he was sum plays on a switch off or something lol but they’re literally two different positions dosent even make sense
He had a good game out of how many years. Lol
The moment Rashad and KMart fight gonna be the day Gil’s Arena gonna reach Club Shay Shay numbers lol
I’m taking Rashad in an upset
@@Bornclutch62 idk, Rashad look like he scared of Kmart tbh, bro be mad quiet when Kmart around lol 🤦♂️
@@cactusjack2264his biceps is double the size of kmarts mccants would destroy him, skinny wanna be tough guy
@@Gaindalf93 size don’t mean nothing tbh, biggest mfs can get folded
@@cactusjack2264 it does mean something, we know nothing about their fighting skills and in a fight where neither is an actual fighter the bigger one wins 95% of the time, like I highly highly doubt he’s actually scared of the guy, I wouldn’t be either
Jokic should have won 4 MVP’s in a row. He’s in the midst of one of the greatest 4 year runs in NBA history. Fu@& what the clowns on this show say
U a fan tho
Arguably his first MVP may have been a robbery of Giannis, though. But then, last year, Embiid may have robbed Jokic. But this year, Embiid would've won it if he played a few more games.
You don't watch much basketball. He did good but there are way more greater 4 year stretches than this. Russ averaged a triple double for 4 seasons straight. Coming close to it is not that great. He plays subpar defense. He's a great scorer and passer but nth we haven't seen before
@@AntwoineBaker You're mentally challenged for typing that out lmfao. Complete dumbass
@@AntwoineBakerThere's a DPOTY award for a reason. Stop coping.
He took them glasses off i swear he was about to cry😭😭 McCants know how to play the fool
He’s not playing.
Cap
Any idiot who thinks shai is a more valuable player then jokic simply is either being extremely bias or have no clue about basketball.
@@Riley_roloIts slight racist undertones…..I heard that more often.
@@Riley_rolo or that,Jokic is more valuable than LUKA is as well. Look how exposed Minnesota is making Jokic look. Luka under rated hated and the NBA doesn’t want another European non American winning MVP with Jokic it’s not another it’s just adding to the same guy. America doesn’t like its game being dominated by non Americans. Giannis, Embid,Jokic, heaven forbid add Luka. They want ANT or SGA somebody black and American
Gil saying Murray aint playing is irrelavant for Jokers MVP but then saying Brunson leading his team without some players is important, interesting...
I agree wit you but then it’s like Denver really do got the more solid pieces compared to Knicks but you def are right that is interesting …
He was saying that joker and Brunson are in similar situations so why wasn’t Brunson in the conversation.
Then they also don’t add in the fact Murray are mostly no shows during the beginning of games
@@kaelinjefferies9267 They are trying so hard to discredit Jokic that is sad, like Gil saying take assist from Jokic and his double doubles are like every big in the league lol how many bigs make 26,27 ppg and 12,13 rbs? why take anything, thats like me saying take points from the Shail or Luka and their numbers are like any guard in the league, or him saying Nobody ever said Jokic dominated end of the game or being clutch lol its always Murray for him, he literally saw this 2 games vs Lakers where Murray made buzzers and if you see Jokic video of his clutch finishes you would see atleast 4,5 game winning blocks, then so many game winning pts both 2's and 3's and game winning assists and action was set for him...If you come from good heart here you would say i think Shai was more deserved MVP cos of this and that and Jokic is also deserving of the award cos he does this and that and not be so emotional and HATEFUL tbh against Jokic and try to bash him with stupid takes...
Any mental gymnastic to get out of admitting Joker is HIM
Few weeks ago during the conversation about weakest MVP, Gil said Jokic deserves MVP this year. Now he’s flip flopping
I recall Gil having SGA as his MVP around a few weeks ago.
I thought I saw a segment where Gilbrick was pumping SGA. Honestly, I think he deserves it. No one saw this coming from OKC and his numbers are banging
He said SGA
All three have great seasons however if you line up Jokic, Luka and SGA, SGA gets pick last
Looking for this comment
Told that man you ain’t in competition in life 😭😭
Mannn 😅
He was about to go off, that’s why he said change the subject 😂
EVER IN LIFE! that shit had anger behind it lmao
Kmart crying cause he knows he wrong. Kmart and gil are extremely bias its staggering. Mvp vote was not even close hes shattering records.
THAT WAS CRAZY😂😂😭😭
McCants seems to be at peace with what his career was and what his life is. It seems petty and personal to keep throwing that in his face. The disrespect is unnecessary.
Facts
i actually like McCants and what he has to say, i think he's actually respect his opinion more than more of the guys on this show.
True Story that shit ain't cool.
McCants is a valuable character on gils arena, please be more respectful of his flavor.
The problem arises when people treat opinions as facts. They’re not. There are no objective criteria to for MVP. It’s always based on someone’s subjective opinion, and reasonable people can always disagree.
If Joker was Black we wouldn't be hearing this wingeing
I thought this
Exactly, because he wouldn't have gotten it lol.
@@obeewon1598 you can take that sh-t and walk especially after last year.
damn right!
@@obeewon1598facts
Nahhh they are mad. They just don’t want a guy like Nikola being the best player in the league. He’s a big tall , white, YMCA looking player who’s destroying these nba players. Plus a European is the best player in an American league. Just bitter people.
Hit the nail on the head.
🙄
Kenyon kills me wit that tough stuff like somebody supposed to be scared of him
I bet you wouldn't run up on him. While you bumping on your keyboard
Kenyon put hands on grown men back then💥 he even knocked T mac upside his head.. Kenyon Martin was a certified goon back in the 2000's
A basketball debate and that was your take from all this ? 😂😂
He didn’t want smoke with Tim Thomas
@@TiredofTomfoolery7no I wouldn’t run up on him I’m not out just looking for fights but I wouldn’t back down from him goofy
You know the Thunder and Nuggets tied in wins, so why does standings matter
Cuz one had the tied breaker & other wasn't even on the radar to be top 3 let alone top 8? Stop fam
@@michaelallen8112that one person did the same thing he did last year
what did Shai do better this year? it's his team that improved
@@cp3190if you look at jokic stats compared to last year, they’re damn near identical, so how did he improve? Shai efficiency and defense improved greatly. Add on the fact Shai is doing this with a young group of guys with little to no experience of winning in the nba
@@accordingtodrew7302
He didn't need to improve.
He was MVP finalist last year and kept playing like an mvp this year.
Was top 5 in points,rebounds and assists,8th in steals.
Led the league in PER,box plus minus and win shares and his team was tied for the best record in the west with Murray missing 1/3 of the season.
@@michaelallen8112 what are you talking about, everyone thought that the Thunder would take a leap. I thought they’d be at worst a 5th seed and at best 3rd or even 2nd. All those players on the roster were young and talented, obviously each of their were going to improve and by proxy their team as a whole improve.
If Jokic's MVP is Bogus than everybody on this panel's careers are Bogus. None of them have done ANYTHING. ANYTHING.
Jokic aint never drop 60 on Kobe. 😂🤷🏿♂️
@@frescoliveFacts!
@@frescolivein a regular season game that was meaningless in the long run lol. Gilbert was always losing in the first round of the playoffs, even when he had 3 other all stars on his team. Jokic has never played with an all star.
@@buttons__6046 Embiid dropped 40 PLUS POINTS ON JOKIC THOUGH!! 🤣🤣🤣
Facts!!!!!
How does Jokic not get a MVP after winning the championship last year. The judging mindset is you’re winning too much or something?
12:49 They all know it's Joker that's why so quiet in a room... xD
they said he’s the best player like a month ago lol
Lmao Rashad’s question who is the best, we all know it’s fucking joker.
I think he’s a great offensive threat but there’s more to the game and on that other end he can’t stop shit
The way they took forever to answer him like they ain’t know what the question was 🤦🏽♂️ Jokic the best player they just don’t like how his game looks
Joel play both of sides of the ball , as you can see the wolves series they can’t stop nobody in the paint
How ? If Murray doesn't play how good are the Nuggets? Some players don't have a number 2 and still win series SGA, Brunson... To the point they can't afford to suspend Murray, throw him out or even give a tech... Wolves showing everyone how good the Joker is... Enjoy 🍿. .
@@shaqgotthejuice3 cap hartenstein was killing him last series. He’s a liability in pick and roll just like Jokic y’all just get fooled cause he can block a shot here and there
I feel like everytime Kenyon says “real hoopers that play the game” that’s his nice way to exclude McCants😂
The shade of it all lol
He was talking about media. Shad played the game. He can't say that even if he wanted to
@@1212rusty idk who he’s talking to because he didn’t specify but you could be right just like I could be. Just opinions
Jokic making anyone still complaining look embarrassing.
Funny as hell ain’t it?
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I like how the argument for Shai is that “it’ll be hard to get it next year.” Shai had an amazing year. Focus on what he accomplished vs how “unfair” it is that he has to compete with Antman next year.
It's absolutely insane ... tuggin' at our heart-strings ...
In 87-88 Mike’s first MVP
35-5-5
BULLS won 50 games
Larry Bird
29-9-6
CELTICS won 57 games
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Maybe it was because Larry was playing with a roster of future hall of Famers
@@kirbyaugustine761 that’s precisely my point, it’s based on narrative surrounding a player and team and whatever is the thinking among the actual voters…the Lakers actually had the best record that year 😂 but Magic had a team full of HOFers too…this idea that it’s only a regular season award is laughable as well because we always come into the next year giving preferential treatment to the Finals MVP and guys that had tea deep playoff runs…if Ant or SGA or Tatum or Brunson win it this year , they will undoubtedly be the MVP favorites next year
Your talking about a time when they actually watched the game and not stat watched
@@kareempusey5032 they watch games now too but that doesn’t make a difference now, nor did it then because the only way we can quantify the eye test is through stats, and wins…but the voters are more swayed by whatever narrative is attractive to them, which could be a bunch of different factors, which we won’t know without interviewing each voter
Larry wasn't even on any of the All-Defensive teams that year whereas MJ was 1st team while also becoming the only man to win a scoring title and DPOY in the same season, along with winning the first of his 3 steals titles.
Something about this show irritates me but I can't stop watching these clowns so I guess I'm the clown 😭
Lmao that’s how I feel about a lot of stuff sometimes
Bruh, same.
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This is podcast of scrubs
Rashad play the hell out of the role don’t he
😂😂😂
He knows what's up. Can't say I'm too sure anybody else on the show knows how debate panel shows work.
Rashad should’ve broke down what a “heel” is and what role it plays in a debate show. He would’ve ethered Kmart.
Y’all talk like the Thunder cleared the 1 seed by 20 games. Shit was tied, and Jokic had the same record as the #1 seed with his 2nd best player missing 30 games.
It’s all good to think SGA is MVP, he had a MVP season. To say Jokic got some fan vote, is pure salt. A little something else too. Smh
Yep, these guys are idiots. lol. They are just hating on Jokic for the last 4-5 years.
17 game win improvement
At the beginning of the season, if I told you the thunder would tie the nuggets with the best record in the west, you would laughed it off. That’s shai mvp argument right there. Nobody expected them to be in this position. The second youngest team in the league is top 5 in offense and defense
@anthonyjackson7210 so maybe Chet is the MVP then? Cos he wasn't there? Cos Gilbert is penalising Jokic for needing Murray
@@bigsamkayproblem with jokic is he won mvp being a 6th seed. i think someone else should have won that year. so jokic winning this year wouldnt even be a debate.
Kenyon need to calm down with the personal shit. Hypocritical to call someone else a child while acting like an infant yourself
Glad I wasn’t the only one
Yeah we can't be cool after that. The low blows, calling the man a child, etc. Nah we're good bro. Lets do these segments and keep it moving. KMart has no respect for McCants. None.
It’s not that deep. Lol
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If I was mcccant I’d bat tf outta Kenyon. You ain’t the only one bout it bout it G.
Gilbert is a fool, Jokic was putting up great numbers in the 4th quarter, in that Lakers series.
MVP is not just based of PPG. It's all the intangibles. The players overall value.
Taking your team from the bottom to the top is why SGA should be MVP.
If that’s the metric luka deserves it
@@MDB465 Luka has kyrie
@@bmitch3137 Was out 25/30 games
@@Kieso904 TAKING his TEAM??? last season OKC didnt even made the play-offs and SGA had better stats.
PROVING that it was CHET and WILLIAMS who lead this team...
Literally before the playoffs started all these dudes said Jokic is the best player in the NBA. Clowns
But he wasn’t shai been playing lights out all season
@@jerrylanes8354 Unless there are clear criteria, the MVP award remains a preferred award.
When it comes to analytics, Jokic is the MVP.
If you go by best player of the best team, Tatum is the MVP.
If you to by best player of the best team of the better conference, Shai is the MVP.
If you take pure dominance, Embiid is the MVP
If you go by stats, Doncic is the MVP
But if you take the best player out, his team would not even make the playoffs, then Brunson is the MVP
All these dudes are just hating man 😂😂 except for swole homie in black
Naw, they really believe what they are arguing.
They not hating, he had a better case of winning it last year than this year . They just clearly didn't want him to win 3 in a row. The media proved to be bias or have agendas cus it's no way he won over SGA or why Tatum was basically a footnote
@@jdsirrom4314 still some hating ass shit..
Jokic elevated team from the bottom to the champions. Man does it all, rebounds, assist, 3 point , made whole his team better.
The pause from everyone when the question was asked “Who’s the best player in the NBA,” should say everything it needs too about the argument.
It says: Shameful bunch!!!
That doesn’t mean you should just win mvp 😂😂😂 by your logic, in 77 years we should only have about 10-15 recipients.
When Derrick Rose won MVP, was he the MVP? No, Lebron was. Mvp doesn’t mean best player in the league
Bron Mj Shaq and Kobe would have way more if this was how it went
@@Coachjay778 🌹youngest player carried that bulls team to the number one record with no other all star while LeBron had all stars Bosh and Wade contributing to their team success
Joker dominated AD in the 4th every game. 7.6 points, 3.6 rebounds, 2.4 assists on 64% and 100% from 3.
Now, Denver is getting bullied by Minnesota in the “playoffs “! Denver will lose. “Murray” had better step up! It’s crazy how Murray is so important to this team.
@@jdsirrom4314um no shit? i don’t care if ur jordan if ur second best player is shooting 16% u ain’t winning anything
@@chay770 Murray carried Denver past the lakers. Also, the Knick’s are thriving without their best player. A leader has to make players better around them. The bulls were loaded with talent. Jordan was hard on his teammates- similarly to Tom Brady. The bulls definitely wouldn’t get swept without Pippen, and they’d “probably” still win.
I am starting to think if Jokic was black then this conversation would be different
Somebody else made this comment, find it but how does the black thing work because embid won it and we all though jokic should've won it and it's crazy because he already won 3 times and we agreed he earned it so I missing this black thing
@@haroldbrown6173because last year Kendrick Perkins turned the nba voters against Jokic because they were on the verge of being labeled racist for giving a white guy 3 straight MVPs, and Jordan didn’t even do that. If Jokic was black, Perks argument would not have existed. So yes, 💯 it’s because of the color of jokic’s skin.
@@jesterchesterfield2374 I can respect that.. but clearly he dont speak for those who know... I had no problem with him winning...jokic is really that dude.. white or black
I'm black and I agree
@@haroldbrown6173 Those who don't know are in the minority, but they are loud and speak to a lot of insecurities.
People that are at peace with themselves don't resonate with those voices, but they also less loud.
Jokic owned every advanced statistic and a lot of the basic ones. He was ARGUABLY the best player of the year, and on the basis of "How good is the team without him?" argument, the Nuggets would be a lottery team without Jokic there. The man is literally the most efficient player of all time, and has no real weakness to his game. His defense aint great, but it ain't bad either. He's also insanely consistent, and shows up every game, which is something Embiid can't claim, and neither can Giannis this year.
The only other competitor was Luka. People are saying Shai, but him and Luka basically do the same things in different ways, but Luka does them better. They're both PPG and playmaker players, and Luka wins both of those categories with arguably a worse team. OKC is stacked with young, great talent, when you got Chet as your third option, your team is badass.
I usually stan for Gil and agree with him on a lot of his controversial opinions, but this doesn't sit right with me. Just feels like hate for the white boy.
That's all it is. He wants to ban Euro players.
I usually don't like wut Gil say but I agree wit em on this 1
LIES
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"Nobody cares about Joker on the court, everyone is worried about Murray" - Gil
Good lord he has to be trolling
its true. you dont understand the game man. casuals get hyped up about watered down triple doubles. You notice how the Nugs are about to get swept because Murray isn't playing well? Your MVP is about to lose in the 2nd round man. That enough should teach you something.
@vdf27 stfu, every coach in the league has been trying to stop him for the last 4 years. The man who built the nuggets literally built Minnesota to beat the nuggets. So, in the last 4 years a team needed to be built to stop him.
@@vdf27😂 about to get swept indeed
Exactly jokic is the offense they act like what he does on the court isn’t impactful like it’s just empty stats. Murray been terrible this postseason aside from the few moments he’s had. If jokic didn’t do all he does they would’ve been out in the first round
@@vdf27LeBron got swept
Jokic numbers are historic. He basically averaged a 26-point triple double on a crazy 58%. He's also the ONLY all-star caliber player on his team who's 2nd leading scorer (Murray) missing 23 games. Joker does more with less, and the Nuggets are a lottery team without him.
He didnt even average a triple double tho. Cant almost win a game you either do or dont. He didnt. Westbrook actually averaged a triple double 4 seasons and won it once....
@@kyleclark46501 assist away from a triple double is just as impressive, that was a dumb statement!
@@lake49LMAO you a clown so you saying not averaging a triple double is better then averaging a triple double opinion isn't valid
Sga did with less
Denver has also lost 14 of their last 14 games and counting vs West playoff teams not named LAL/NOP dating back to November when their opponents played all their stars. His defense sucks and DEN straight up hasn’t competed with the better teams in the west’s best the entire year. What MVP loses 14 of 14.
The dude in the black w cap is the only one keeping it real
SGA with Similar stats last year didn't make the playoffs. Chet came in and played all 82 games. So to quote Gil but replacing Murray's name with Chets..."If you needed [Chet] to help you get first why are we awarding you?" Good point Gil...
Good point @MJisGoat797
He averages a point less too😂
SGA being glazed far too much.
They had the same amount of wins, and Jokic had far better numbers
The stats were pretty close.
Like Jokic said himself, he's a vet, and doesn't get a boost from winning this. So, one of the youngsters should've been given the award.
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He does get a boost.
Now he is one of only 9 players to win mvp 3+ times, it definitely boosts his legacy.
Jokic led the league in every advanced stat.
He deserved the mvp.
@@emil2683 I think you know he means motivational boost.
So does defense play a part in this "far better numbers"?
It like Bron and Rose. Bron should have won, but folks were so focused on Rose on offense that all forgot Bron was elite on defense too that year. SGA mess around and make an all defense team, Joker not close to one.
Joker and SGA were elite on offense and both valuable to their teams. But SGA was elite and valuable on both sides of the court. That's the difference.
@@antuanleach6762 Rose was a great defender before his injury.
Jokic is a vastly underrated defender.
Whenever Jokic wins MVP, they cry about how someone else should have won it. Joker didn't do enough in the postseason so he
shouldn't win MVP. Remember that? But SGA who doesn't have any postseason experience except for this year, should win MVP over
Jokic who is a proven winner. FOH with the double standards! SGA is putting up the same numbers he did last season when OKC won
40 games and missed the playoffs. OKC got Chet Holmgren this year and Jalen Williams took a leap offensively. That's why the Thunder
got better. Denver's roster got worse this season and they still won more games than last year, while the Western conference got tougher!
Never looked at it this way. Solid argument.
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Robbed?? This didn’t age well. After Joker dropped 40 on the DPOY, it’s obvious the only one robbed was him when they gave the MVP to Embiid last year.
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Rashad was making a valid point but they didn't comprehend because they thought he was arguing with his own point with tatum after saying congratulations to joker
Mcants the most accurate one up there , he just to real so they can't argue his points cause they actually make since
I thought I was the only one. It's the clicks Rashad is an easy target because he doesn't fit in.. Deep down they know Rashad was like that haven't figured out why they want to argue everything he says. Kenyon knew what he was talking about when he said y'all gotta stop that.
He completely wrong
Nah, he had no point honestly. Gil debunked everything he said. Rashad was TRYING to say they're being consistent, but they aren't: Russ got got one MVP from averaging a triple-double (out of 3 seasons) and his team was bad all 3 times...meanwhile Joker has won 3 MVPs for ALMOST averaging a triple double while his team wasn't the best team in the league. Gil was saying Russ should've won them in the same fashion but he didn't, because it's the EXACT same situation. Rashad was having issues seeing that because he doesn't have the capacity to listen objectively.
@@joebucketsTV once he asked who the best player ...he proved his point
They didnt wanna say jokic for 💩 start talking about if everybody healthy, this & that but took forever to provide a name
He said you and nobody to be in competition with ever in life! Lmao
That stung lol
for Americans, Nicola's only minus is, that he is white and not even American.
Cap
LMMFAO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING
@@kenseaconow you see how the majority of the public feels when anything about racism against African Americans come up, It’s horseshit.
@@kenseacoKendrick Perkins and many others seem to disagree, you’d think people wouldn’t stoop to something so trivial in a sport of all things…
Nah I'm a white American so I like him
The best thing is that Joker doesn't even care. He's just casually going to have one of the best careers in histroy of NBA and these clowns will never get over it while he'll be chilling with his horses.
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Y’all callin it a BOGUS & Gil going on Nightcap calling Shaq a hater for doing the same thing is hilarious
Mccants be pissing Kenyon off but Kmart to old to be tying to bully people even if mccants be saying some dumb shit Kmart tripping it ain’t that serious 😂😂😂😂
It ain’t that serious to be honest, Kenyon be talking like he was Tim Duncan or some shit 🤣🤦🏾♂️.
Hell naw you can’t sit there and let McCants get away with crazy takes. If someone contradicts themselves and says “I can do that” they don’t need to be talking.
@@DC4L1991Brrrrruh I swear to god. Bruh swear he was an enforcer 😂
@@chuckgamble5696He definitely was an enforcer. He's a remembered player in the league. Can't say that for most 💯
15 yrs ago Kmart would have put hands on him 😂
After they didn't give it to Russ all four years he averaged a triple double the award has been total BS
😂😂😂😂
He didn't lead the league in all advanced stats like Jokic and his team wasn't top 2 or 3 in the conference.
@@emil2683 u sound dumb
@@emil2683 he AVERAGED a triple double 4 years in a row no other player has ever done that TILL THIS DAY!!!😆😆
@@mackmal2413 3*
One of those years he won mvp.
The other 2 he finished 6th with prime Paul George on his team.
And wasn't top 5 in any advanced stat.
Kenyon need to chill out. It’s been clear for a very long time he actually dislikes Rashad. Kenyon acting like he the only tuff NBA player lol
Exactly, Shad was telling Facts, OKC didn't have the best overall record.
Kenyon is boring as hell. McCants way more entertaining and important to the show then Kenyon Martin.
Kenyon doesn’t need to chill…he not acting tuff lil boy.
@@Christo_Trismegistusbut you continue to watch.
@@TJAvant95he definitely acts tuff all the time
“Who’s the best player in the NBA?”
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That said it all
They act like only 1 person votes. It's not a coincidence that whoever the MVP is gets that many 1st place votes
It does when they're white🤦🏿♂️. Let's not play those games that's why Nash has 2 MVP while Kobe and Shaq has only 1. Nash won cause his team had the best record so why didn't SAG win it?? Exactly so cut the crap like u didn't know what's going on😒😒
"Who's the best player in the NBA, right now?
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These guys will do anything to not give Joker his flowers. Embarrassing!
When you don't take efficiency into account, then you are confused. And that is a drastic difference between Jokić and all players. The efficiency with which he achieves his statistics.This is best seen by the PER in which Jokić is first this year as well. He has the best PER (in one year) in history, a little better than MJ who is in second place :)
Correct. They are focusing on the main stats when voters take into account, PER, VORP, WS, etc. There are advanced analytics that come into play now. These dudes were ex-players yet they don't do much of research. Basketball has continued to evolve not just with the players but with how the owners and voters choose the MVP.
Shai is one of the most efficient players in the league as a guard. Not shooting two foot layups. If you take efficiency into account it's just another case for Shai to win. Plus he average 2 steals a game and shot right under 40% from 3. Hasn't happened since mj
Offense is only 50% of the game, he doesn’t play defense, it hurts him horribly when compared to players who can score 25+ and lock up! It’s the NBA, everyone can score, especially when you run the offense through them, he can’t stop nobody
They gotta give Kenyon the cut the mic button.
If you don't want to hear the real ,then watch another show
@@TiredofTomfoolery7 maaaan I’m just tired of the the tom foolery! Lol
McCant has a lot of “factual opinions” for someone who was out the league in 4 years
Arguing with a man who doesn’t care about contradicting himself is nasty work.
kenyon is a moron. he said embiid shoulda got it playing 30 games and 65 games is bs for awards lmao
Now Gil's trying to say having better stats doesn't make you the better player = he literally just said the opposite about Lebron recently
Jokic leads his team in points, rebounds, assists (as a center), field goal percentage, and PER basically every year, and yet Gil has a problem with him but glazes Lebron if he does the same thing. 🤡😂😂😂🤣🤣
Joker fans brigading lol
@@psychedelicvault6951if lebron does the same thing I can tell your young from the statement as if Lebron doesn’t have 4 mvps and should have more lebron has been doing it and the difference is he’s 39
@@airgordon99it’s not that serious man. And there’s more people that think Gil is dumb than there are Jokic fans.
@@kingg_shuffle3513 I was obviously talking about Lebron when he won mvps in his late 20s PAY ATTENTION. 🤷😂😂🤣🤣
What about Luka,He was insane this year but now its only Jokic or Shai 🤷
He was 5th seed. Shai was number 1 the whole season
@@harwn999 The Wolves led the league for a long while.
luka or shai deserves it, jojer quite literally took a step back statwise, so idrk how that works out
@@penkima4923 cap. It was a back and forth at a point. They never lead for a long time. OKc did
The standing is a difference 5th compared to 2nd and 1st that gotta count for something in this MVP race
Man he called that man a child!!!
These dudes have a clear bias against Jokic. Can't take their opinion seriously, honestly.
Jokic sucks tho
Yea fhats easy to tell, but tbh i dont think it was jokers this time, it was shais or luka, if someones numbers drop idk if you reward that w another mvp, also i have voters fatigue
@@CahlilWessonshai not fw them euros
Well, it's not just Jokic.
Jokic was the MVP because he was the best player in the world this season. It’s simple.
Every single NBA team has internal analytics structures, and they all say Jokic is the best player in the world.
The analytical structure dominates everything because it’s the closest approximation to the truth. If trends continue, Wemby will win MVP next year or the year after that, as long as he continues his upwards analytical _overall_ trajectory.
OKC AND NUGGETS HAD THE SAME RECORD
JOKIC WAS 2ND IN BOARDS AND 1ST IN ASSIST ALONG WITH 27 POINTS PER GAME AND SGA AVG 27.6 HOW IS JOKER NOT THE MVP
You are going off Stat. MVP is not about stat. If not, Jokic will win it every year. It about MVP on a team. Youngin ball this year with young player and was 1 in the west of all place. Did you think at start of the season they would be like that.
So why was he MVP when his team finished 10th explain that
@@isrealdeshield7906jamal was out for a lot and they still held it down without him. But I agree shai could’ve been mvp I just don’t agree with people acting like Jokic winning it is terrible cause he deserves it too
@@jerellane82his team finished 2nd in West. .you fcking m0r0n
@splashbros-yc9lk I'm not saying he doesn't deserve it. What I'm saying is they have forgotten the meaning. To me, SGA is the most valuable. Jokic will always be him, just like he should have won it instead of embiid that year.
How them words taste Gil after Jokic made you eat them. All these cowards with their stupid takes got lured out by Denver starting 0-2 and now they're on apology or double down mode.
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look when Shaq confronted him, he took it like a G. lmao you really think of all the NBA players that actually care about the mvp he is dead last lmao Congrats big man
It's crazy they didn't mention Luka at all 🤯 like he didn't have better numbers than both of them.
Literally… Crazy smh
Luka didn't have better numbers.
@@penkima4923 34-9-9 What??????????????? how is that not a better numbers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also they people missing the fact that Shai and Luka split votes and that hurt both of them
@@arrowvvd There are more numbers available than the three basic ones. And Shai mostly has them over Luka.
Jokic has the best stats every season.
Jokic became just the second player to finish with more than 2,000 points, 900 rebounds and 700 assists in a regular season in history SGA was not robbed
These guys are big ass race est clowns. They just can’t stand a white boy punking the brothers
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They don’t see nikola’s numbers? Ex players been hated Nikola cause he white and dominating they fellow countrymen
If Lebron averaged the Joker's stats, people like Gilbert Arenas and Nick Wrong would be glazing him. When Jokic wins with no all star teammate they try to nitpick everything he does but they give Lebron, Steph, Embiid a pass for losing with superteams with multiple all stars. 🤔😂🤣
Those who identify themselves by pigment identity others by such. This is how grown men get in their feelings about the accomplishments of other grown men.
FYI for these guys in the panel: you don’t share the accomplishments or the lack there of with another individual just because your Meat-Suit is the same color.
Nal Sga from Canada and I've seen plenty of black ppl saying Luka could've got one 2
Naw it's not cause he White and from another country luka white and from another country and sga from another country I think he should have got it
Who the fk is he dominating with one championship 😂😂😂😂 u white heathens just want a white player to be the best in the world
The Nuggets also exceeded their win total from last year. And SGA does have a “Robin.” His name is Chet Holmgren. These guys, who should know what they’re talking about, simply do not. Gil has no clue what the MVP actually is. The only stat he ever mentions is points per game. Advanced stats escape this dude conveniently.
He is so caught up in the #1 seed and he’s acting like OKC finished better than Denver by 10-20 games. They had the same damn record. I’m sure his tune was different last year when Denver was #1 though. I’m sure he said the NBA got it right with Embiid. Gee, I wonder why. 🤔 Dude is such a clown.
Yes, Chet helped open up that offense and anchor that defense. Also, the emergence of Williams has helped them as well
_--i DiDN'T WATCH THE NBA ThiS Season .. BUT HOW DiD OKC (((definition of trash))) GET THE #1 SEED ..iN THE West🤯?? .. THAT'S NOT A Playoff-Level Team , LAST i ReMeMBeR L😭L!!-_-
I 100% agree with everything you said. Gil suppose to be this “smart” ex NBA player, but he doesn’t fact check nothing he be saying. You also could say Jalen Williams is his robin.
@@III15CRiMEY who is that directed to? I never said OKC is trash at all.
@@III15CRiMEYfacts these people don’t watch basketball they just like Jokic
These are the same men who were happy embid won when he shouldve off last year they are biased asf
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Luka should've won it over everyone. Been snubbed every year
thank you rashad it's a opinion vote
K Mart ain’t smoke enough to be sitting next to McCants today
Shid I ain’t smoke enough to listen to his ass.
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McCants be right they don’t wanna listen frfr
People are DEEEELUDEEEED for thinkin anyone else deserve this award rather then JOkic....Inorant and deluded.
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