I believe both equipment brands are very respectful made, though there are somethings I like to point out bout kioti offer internally over the Kubota and other brands #1 is the hydrostatic transmission is much much quieter in operating cold or hot temperature and maintain cooler internal temperature because of it and #2 all of the internal housing of diff. Transmission, engine block and front axle are electroplated sealed that helps fights moisture that causes internal failure due to parts rusting or lubricant contaminated. I'm sure at some point Kubota and other brands may be catching on to this oversight but as retired mechanic this has been a long issue for front 4x4 axles and transmission failures in the past! Kioti have my vote
In all fairness your comparing a stripped down economy version of a Kubota. When it comes to lift capacity for Kubota just multiply the loader # by 2.2 and usually is the maximum lift capacity. To there isn't really a "cheap" tractor brand they are equipment made for work. Kubota, kioti, Deere, LS(new Holland I believe) Massey, and on. Tractors are like vehicles now a days you can the same tractor size and horsepower and have $20,000 difference say like a Kubota L3902 vs L4060 think I got the models right but it's all in what your willing to spend and get by with or without.
Kubota makes a fine tractor. I admire the Kubota product for the same reason that I admire our Kiotis: these two manufacturers are the only two major players that make all of their own stuff! No rebranding other tractors and calling it your own. One manufacturer of the tractor, including the engine, transmission, axles, everything. This control of the product production lends itself to a higher quality finished machine.
I’m pretty sure all Kubota loaders come with SSQA and if one does not the dealer will strongly recommend installing one. In regards to load lift, Kubota loaders normally have it written in kilograms on the side of the loader. For example the loader on my tractor is a LA-854 loader. It’s rated at lifting 854 kilograms.
My Kubota 3901 is constantly having problems, from coolant leaks to strange codes that need to be cleared, and it's a headache. For being 2 yrs old i'm not happy. The service from my local dealer is crap, they return the tractor twice now and ignore the coolant leak and conveniently say "they couldn't find any leak? I will be considering a Kioti !
Very fair comparison. I have a Kubota L2501. Love it. I prefer the two pedal system. The seat is an upgrade on Kioti. No local dealer in my area. In the future I would consider a Kioti.
i just purchased a Kioti used rx6620 with low hours and it operates very nicely... now my wish is to have a Kioti dealer at Topeka, Ks. the state capitol...Mmm thanks and great info...:)
OuR Kubota 2004 L series gear 2800 has run great for 18 years 2000 hours. The loader/ lift power is rather low. The hydraulic pump is low flow compared to a new Kioti. Kubota's are much more expensive than Kiotis now. Looking at a 3510 0r 4010 Kioti . Kiotis come with quick attach as standard. I dont like the rear light placement on the Kioti up on the rollover bar . ALSo the fuel tank is in the open behind the driver. Kubotas is covered under the hood. Both dealers are 45 minutes away. I never took the Kubota in for service. Nothing ever broke. It coughed once and died because I had not changed the fuel filter as recommended at every 100 hours. I think it went to 120 that time. We used the tractor to load , scrape plow our 900 ft driveway, move rocks, gravel, brush, log some. , lifted 4x4 bales ok. I had a home made bale fork that bolted to the bucket, A chain worked good too, Always changed the fluids and filters myself. 2000 hours at $35. If you can hire at that rate means that the tractor has paid for itself 5+ times. To plow our driveways alone would be $70 per time. We average 12 storms per year. Who wants to wait for some goober to get around to you to plow? Not me Last year I was scraping/ plowing at 1.30.AM. We dont have a cab. and who cares? I Never Hayed. Kioti feedback would be greatly appreciated.
I’ve got the Kubota with the single pedal. You’re 100 percent right that after awhile your right leg gets tired from lifting up and down. Especially doing stuff like snow removal where there’s a lot of forward and back. It’s also quite awkward with big winter boots on. Been looking at getting the 3510 with cab for our Canadian winters.
Bought a CK3510SE cab model with the loader and backhoe about 7 months ago. To be honest, this is my first tractor larger than a lawn tractor. No comparison, obviously. Moved to the country and needed something to pull about 300+ fence posts in concrete filled holes, and dig some trenches, move pallets from roadway up about 200 ft. of gravel driveway to outbuilding, etc. Only have about 65 hours on it, but have had zero problems, and am very impressed with everything so far. The loader (and forklift) capacity advantage over Kubota was huge for me. I would have had to gone to next size up Kubota to get similar weight capacity. I really think it is built heavier in some areas as well. One example is the diameter of the rams on the loader. Really didn't like the pedal on the Kubota at all. I spend a lot of time backing up, and, at least for me, it is pretty uncomfortable after a while. Both the loader and the backhoe remove and attach pretty easily, and access to the areas needed for maintenance is great. The AC and heat in the cab both rock. No problem in extreme temps for either of them. And, it was about 5 to 10% cheaper than the Kubota, and way cheaper than the green one. I know that resale would probably not be as good for Kioti, but I am planning on being burried in mine. Just not sure how they are going to fill in the hole if me and the tractor are in it. :-)
from my observations about lift capacity is it seems like generally the kubota breakout force is greater then the similar kioti but kioti has a higher rated capacity. so it would appear that kioti just rates the loaders higher maybe just to beat competion
That is simplistic and untrue. The Kioti weighs quite a bit more, and the hydraulic pump has a higher output, just to name two items. Lift capacities are rated at the "tipping point" of the tractor. That is literally the point that the tractor falls forward and a new pair of pants must be procured.
The Hydraulic system of the Kubota (main & power steering) is 8.28 GPM. The Kioti is 11.7 GPM. The really surprising thing is that in Kubota's brochure, they do not print the breakout force or the lift capacity...hmmm...www.kubotausa.com/docs/default-source/brochure-sheets/l2501.pdf?sfvrsn=34e9b1d_8 See for yoursef.
@@LSE_TRACTOR i should have specified i wasnt compairing those 2 models but the sub compact and small compact. tractor data lists loader specs for the l3301 but they are all at different meassurments then kioti so no real way to get an exact comparison
My family has owned Kioti tractors for over 15 years and we love them. I have had various sizes. We currently have a DK 55 with a turbo. I put 300-400 hrs a year on it and I love it! They are built much heavier than the Kubota.
Hi Chris , I have to replace bearing in my front wheel , also the front axle housing has some marks on the inside. I have ordered all the bearings I need, . I am having trouble finding the oil/grease seals and o rings. Not sure if it is necessary to replace this hosing it is priced very high . Any comment is appreciated. I have a DK40 Kioti
The foot rocker system on the kubota isn’t that bad….it doesn’t take a lot of effort at all to go reverse! After awhile you don’t even realize going forward and reverse! It took me a minute to get use to it cause I had the 2501 manual trans and upgraded to the 3902! Pedal configuration is improved from the 01 to the 02! Kioti imo has copied Kubota in many ways and mostly looks! Some differences for convenience and performance I suppose!
When I began my search for a compact tractor, I was looking at a Kubota L3301 and a Kioti CK3510. After comparing prices, features, and talking to owners of both brands, I chose the Kioti - but I moved up to a DK4510.
I always considered the KIOTI the hyundai of tractors.They were not the best tractor when they first came out,but over time there better and better.I own KUBOTA equipment,I tried out a KIOTI apples to apples and it was a heavier tractor,better lifting capacity.I found the KIOTI to have a cheaper looking,almost delicate instrument cluster compared to KUBOTA. ,and reputation wise KUBOTA has proven they are a refined,tight fit and finish and high resale,Japanese engineered product.KIOTI has come a long way with there quality.BUT,who makes the best equipment,HONDA,YAMAHA,TOYOTA,SUBARU,SUZUKI,YANMAR,TAKEUCHI,All japanese quality.Kioti makes a good tractor,But koreans will never be japanese when it comes to engineering.Good,honest vid,i like it.
You own Kubotas. You like Kubotas. There is nothing wrong with that. BUT>>> "Koreans will never be Japanese when it comes to engineering". That is an idiotic statement. By your way of thinking folks should seek out a Sony or Panasonic television over an LG. Is it possible to even buy a Sony? Perhaps not even consider a KIA Telluride, which has won every SUV of the year award I can think of. Hyundai is the world's largest ship builder, but their ships are probably not refined.
I own Toyotas, Yamahas and a Kubota and I will tell you that the Japanese quality is not what it was 20 years ago since they started building things here in the U.S.
I own a Kubota L3901 and although its been a reliable tractor, I will probably consider the Kioti for my next tractor just because of bad designs that I've found with the Kubota. I don't like the rocker pedal. It's great going forward but reverse is a very awkward position. I don't like how I can only enter and exit the tractor from one side. The fuel tank is fairly difficult to fill if you're using fuel cans. I'm not exactly sure how the backhoe attachment is on the Kioti but I can tell you that it is a very piss poor design on the Kubota. I dread having to put it on and take it off. The seat is absolute garbage and the headlight/turn signal switch is in a location that gets hit by my knee very often and feels very flimsy.
That little toolbox on the back of the Kabota behind the seat is standard and believe you me is the most appreciated part of that tractor especially for people that have three point attachments installed and are always in need of linchpins bolts nuts small pliers and wrenches that toolbox is critical. Just saying
Certainly that can’t be “the most appreciated part of that tractor”. I have to assume that even with all of the Kubota’s shortcomings, that there is something on the machine that can be appreciated more than the tool box. Perhaps not.
There are so many things wrong with this that I can't be bothered explaining. You actually lie which is not a great sales tactic. We wouldn't hire you at our dealership. Tactics like this is one reason why we have eight sales guys selling 800 Kubotas a year and the Daedong dealer, sorry I mean "Kioti" dealer down the road has one salesman and about three tractors in stock. Best of luck and keep doing what you are doing.
umm I've had a kubota for 14 years and the pedals on the HST has never once bothered me nor anyone else that has used it. Kind of a stretch to say this is a big difference. Also Hump is a issue? thats a stretch also. The lifting capabilities is the selling point. Kioti claims to out lift any in the class so take a pallet of cement and pick it up and keep adding weight until you max one of the tractors out. That test is a huge factor for anyone I know that has bought a CK version.
I’m not trying to make an unfair comparison between these two tractors. That’s why I’m showing you this old out of date kabota comparing it to a brand new top of the line Kioti. Again, I’m not trying to be unfair but here you go ,an entirely unfair comparison between an old tractor and a brand new one . If anyone is sharp enough to catch the unfairness of this video, please ,please leave your comments.Otherwise just take my word for it, from a guy trying to sell you a tractor base on an entirely unfair comparison.
You buy a Kubota for quality. You buy a Kioti because it is a cheaper decent tractor compared to the garbage from China! However you can not compare it to a Kubota or Yanmar. Not at all!
Jon, I'll bet you have a 25 year old Zenith television that's better than anything Samsung puts out, and you wouldn't trade your Chrysler New Yorker even-up for a new Hyundai. Stay uninformed Jon. That way you will never be surprised, lol.
@@LSE_TRACTOR Again as you mention Hyundai (and Kia) are better cars than the Chinese crap cars, but no match to Japanese and German cars. But you are probably the guy who prefer a Kia over a Lexus or Mercedes. 🤣😂🤣
IMO There is one major point that needs to be addressed between the two. Kubota has their Top Link mount point on rear of trans case, That is the worse place for the top link to be mounted because all pulling force is on the rear of trans case when using a PTO winch so after 10 years of pto winching the trans case cracked on mine and the repair is to replace the trans case where 3000 gears are....... And now noise is coming from trans case forward part when in 4 wheel drive, started while digging into a dirt bank, very disappointed in Kubota L3400.....
And the big deal with the fuel tank location...id sooner have a diesel tank under the hood near the heated engine...less prone to diesel gelling during operation....and quality is far better with the kubota over all...types of metal and material...kioti uses cheaper materials n metals....remember its korean...anyhow end of rant..
system. heel toe is MUCH better than the two pedals. That's the biggest reason to purchase the Kabota. Your leg gets tired very fast with two pedals not at all with Kabota heel toe pedL
I've got a CK30. New in 2007. At 475 hours my injection pump died (plastic parts), 525 hours and the injection lift pump died. That's it. When I bought it I looked at the L series Kubota. I bought the Kioti and a 5 foot finish mower for the price of the Kubota alone.
You missed that the Kubota has hidden hydraulic lines for the loader while the Kioti is sticking out to the outside of the loader frame. Otherwise good.
I've been watching a crap ton of videos on kioti...a recurring problem appears to be weld failures relative the the back hoe sub-frame...wish they would fix this
Kioti is great, until you need parts. You likely will not walk in a dealer and out with what you're looking. They can order it, and 6 or 8 weeks later you might have it. I sold my ck and bought a Kubota within a year of buying a kioti.
I looked at the Kabota L2501 and the price was insane..I got the actual quote today..I thought the 23,400 was OTD..Nope it was 27,265..Thats HST, quick attach bucket, r4 tires filled with Tax and fees and insurance payments around 454 a month..A bit much I think for around the house. Think I'm gonna look at this Kioti model and Mahindra and do a price compare I was expecting the Kabota to be closer.
I traded my CK2610 for the Kubota b2650. I had nothing but problems with the CK. I would not recommend KIOTI to anyone. Love my Kubota and the dealer stands behind it.
I found the same thing. Sitting behind the steering wheel, I found the Kubota kind of cramped. I did prefer the flip seat to the backhoe on the Kubota, Plenty of room, at the controls,and I think the Kubota is a little shorter, which is a benefit. I find sitting at the backhoe a little cramped on the Kioti, but I will likely spend more time with the loader. The two pedals are more comfortable than the rocker pedal, and operator controls more comfortable for me. I bought the Kioti CK4010 TLB
@@lilgordy90 Still very happy with the machine. Did the 50 hour service in the spring, all went well. Added more lighting, made cleaning snow much easier. Just really very satisfied. All I can say is buy one, you won’t be disappointed.
I own an l3301 kubota. Great tractor. I looked around before buying. Kubota has and have 0% financing. Many competitors didn't. Plus my friends own kubota and swear by it.
Todd Jeffords The Kubota is a fine machine. It just seems to be lacking the strength and ergonomics of the more modern Kioti. And Kioti has 0% for 72 months. And perhaps you need smarter friends ;)
@@LSE_TRACTOR is the 0 percent financing exclusive to your area? I live in Michigan and I am looking for a cab tractor. I had an l3301 but sold it. I am seriously leaning toward LS or Kioti based on price and financing
Todd, as the poster replied, Kubota makes good machines. But for the features, weight and lift capacities, there are better options at the same price point. Same goes for the Deere 3 Series tractors. Not everyone needs the best, biggest, most powerful, etc.
@@justinrobert4337 I recommend you also consider Branson and Mahindra, both are very capable, heavy, reliable, and feature laden. Mahindra has really strong warranties. You should also put lots of weight on the performance and location of the dealer, which can make or break the "enjoyment factor" of tractor ownership.
Depends on how you accessorize it. Tractor, Tractor/Loader, or Tractor/Loader/Backhoe? You can also add a linked Pedal, Cruise Control, a Cab, extra lighting, flashers, lots of options, depending on what you want or need
Borrowed a friend's new ck kioti... Went to step in the tractor and the welds on the foot step snapped right off. I don't think you can really compare Japanese quality to Korean.... Kubota will always hold their resale value better and I've never had a Kubota foot step snap right off 👎
@@davehudson4607 I purchased a B 2650. If I would have had a good Kioti dealer near me the decision would have been harder. Thanks and have a good one from west Tennessee
Thanks for this video. I’m doing the comparing you spoke of in the beginning and so far I really like the stronger hydraulics and heavier chassis of the Kioti. Great job man
I believe the comparison is okay but far from fair. The lift capacity is misleading remember all tractors have about the same capacity rating. Lifting more on this tractor vs another just isn’t true. Comfort is personal so that shouldn’t even be in this comparison
@@LSE_TRACTOR so you are saying tractor rating per size is way different. Yet I know of 3 tractors in the 25hp that show higher lift. By putting a heavier lift on the same class tractor doesn’t mean more lift in reality just saying
@@markokelberry6458 And you have evidence of the Kioti failing to lift 1835 pounds to full height? Allow me to answer that. The Kioti CK-10 Series with the Kioti KL4030 Loader lifts 1835 to full height. It is a statistic that we are very proud of, and rightfully so.
@@LSE_TRACTOR I have been researching this class tractor to purchase. I was not stabbing your video I was saying it’s misleading a little. I have researched 7 manufacturers trying to determine what tractor is for me. After researching all 7 tractors I looked at the most important part the front axle rating and they are all really close. If you can show me something else I should look at please do. I am not partial to any brand as this will be my first personal tractor
No question he is a Kiote salesman and NOT an operator. I've run tractors for a very long time....bucket control location is extremely minor.....forward back pedals are strictly preference. Buddy LOVES the "rocker style" pedal...I hate any HST pedals all together. Guys, it's a tractor. You aren't driving it to Sunday church or taking the family to dinner in it. Cup holders and cruise control are not why you are buying a tractor! I'm picking up TWO tractors (RX and NX) from Larry Stovestand tomorrow, but my purchase wasn't based on hand position or foot position.
I disagree with your comment on the one pedal system. I have a kioti with one pedal system, and I love working with it, certainly when cutting gras in small area's. Back for is going quit quicly.
This video confirms what I've felt about Kubotas, that they under-engineer their hydraulics. I have a 7320 and it is a beast for its size. Everything is beefier than what one finds on a comparable Kubota. Kubotas are good tractors, but I like the Kiotis WAY better. The same I will say for the new Deeres. A new JD equipped like my Kioti priced out at $139K. This Kioti was about $52K new, IIRC. That is a hell of a difference in cost and thus far the 7320 has been fantastic.
I have a lk3054 It surprises me how strong it is. I’ve had very little trouble with it. I’ve had it for about 15 years. It’s a 1996 model. Couldn’t imagine the kubota being any better.
Thanks Don. The LK Series really was a big seller for Kioti. I think that it's great when owners like yourself take the time to share your experiences.
Stephen, The Universal skid-steer mount (Kubota calls it LA525 w/ 2-Lever Style Coupler" Is $623.00 more than the LA525 without the mount. In fact, if you would like a bucket level indicator on the Kubota, please add$65.00. We do fact check before we publish. As to an independent backhoe seat with a properly mounted rear fuel tank, of course these is room.
I owned Kubota and I now own the Kioti. That in itself is my statement. I highly recommend the Kioti brand: # Money/ Maintenance/ Durability/ Parts and Service is two opposites on the scale. 2 years on the Kubota the case started to leak, hours and dollars wasted I never could get it to stop leaking. I bought my Kioti D-45 in 2002 and I am still working the hell out of it today 2021, It is beat up and ugly but it always has been very dependable.
Kioti tractors are Korean and are much like Kia / Hyundai automobiles...they keep improving and getting better but in the end you’re still driving a Kia.
I guess Tyler’s mom made him get off of the internet. Folks, Kioti’s Korean heritage (75 years, BTW) puts them amongst such respected companies as the Hyundai/Kia Group (they are one company), LG, Samsung, Hankook Tire, Doosan Heavy Equipment, and on and on. Here is some noteworthy info: Korea has the highest number of patents per GDP, has the world’s highest R&D dollars spent per GDP, and was the first country on the planet to fully transition to high speed internet nationwide. Having been to Korea, allow me to tell you what really struck me; they like us. One of the very few countries in the world that the citizens don’t hate Americans. They remember the sacrifices we made in the early 1950’s, and will speak about American soldiers and Marines with reverence. Compare that to a country like France, where the blood left on the beaches was so quickly forgotten. My .02
Who gives a shit what you like? Seriously. How many folks are waiting and wondering “ I won’t buy anything until Mike Zahnow” says it’s ok”. You are an insignificant troll.
@@LSE_TRACTOR like I really give a shit what you think as well. Your channel is a waste of u tube space! Says a lot about your dealership the way you conduct yourself. Ok Cletus you understand son.
Your Lift of 1131 for the Kubota is 500mm ahead of pivot pins (center bucket....the 1800lbs+ that you boast about in the kioti is at the pivot pin....lift should be measured center bucket because thats where the load is....just saying.
Ryan McCaslin hmmmmm, curious. By all means, simply send the information to mike@larrysellstractors.com. I’d be interested in seeing it. Especially the Yanmar. Oops, I mean the Deere.
Forsure, Deere’s last yanmar built tractor was the 2 series 2 years ago. All others are John Deere built. When folks ask me about kioti I say you mean Daedong 😬😬😬. But I will follow up happy selling sir!
Been loking for a sub compact. The Kioti dealer is about 45 miles from me and John Deere and Kubota are a lot closer. The warranty seems great . Want to get over soon and test one out.
Thom Miller All three machines, the Deere, the Kubota, and the Kioti are fine tractors that will serve you for decades. Knowing that none of these will be a disappointment from a quality standpoint, it’s now time to drive all three, compare specs, and most importantly gauge your impression of the Dealer. Buying a new tractor is a partnership of three entities: the owner, the manufacturer, and the dealer. As I said, all three manufacturers build a quality product, so be aware of the importance of your dealer. He or she must recognize that your satisfaction is above all else what really matters. Thanks for watching Matt’s video, and thanks for considering a Kioti!
Great Video! Other things to note, the grease fittings on the loader on the kioti are all inner tube grease fittings unlike the exposed kubota standard grease fittings. The Kioti Bucket has the option for added bolt on tooth bar bolt on, not sure if the kubota can offer a bolt on one from the factory as an option. We love the kioti product and have been selling it for many years! Amazing video and very honest review! Both machines are great but some good valid points being made on the Kioti for sure! We have seen great response to the ck10 series with kioti and have had hundreds of happy customers! Keep up the great videos - Your fellow Northern Kioti dealer
@@michaelmactavish1728 Only in color similarity. Kubota is MUCH better tractor. Plz don't make sane mistake I made when i bought a CK25 , it's just cheaply made, compared to Kubota
Great video. If I was close to you I would love to visit your dealership. Only one thing I would of added to the video is the grease locations. Kubota use a zerk. Kioti uses a center pin type. I feel the center pin type are cleaner, lube better, and are a ton less likely to get broken off.
I had to point out at the end of your comparison that you got the lift weight at the 3-point hitch wrong: the Kubota L3301 is 1433 lbs., that was right. But the Kioti 3510 was less than the Kubota, at 1361 lbs., not 1631, as you stated. The numbers were transposed, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on that one. But the Kubota's rear lift capacity is higher than the Kioti's. One other thing: I'm bothered that the loader hydraulics are somewhat exposed on the outside of the Kioti's loader, while the Kubota's are protected by the loader arm. A smack from a sturdy tree branch on the Kioti's right side could cause some significant repair costs, in my opinion.
Puter, I see where tractordata.com has 1361 listed as the number. Unfortunately tractordata.com is the one who has the numbers transposed. They are a 3rd party website that can be helpful in finding out about models, but please refer to the Kioti website for official statistics and facts. You will find that the accurate 3pt lifting capacity is actually 1631lbs at 24" behind the lift points. Here is a link: www.kioti.com/products/tractors/ck10-series/ck3510/
Having just visited a Kioti dealer the first thing I saw was how the exposed the hydraulics are. I want to like these tractors but as it will spend a lot of time in the woods am leary.
Well for all ladies complaining about the old vs new thing, I just traded a L3301 in at your dealership for a Nx5510. Do the comparisons again. I'm pretty confident that kioti will blow it away. Buying the kubota was the biggest waste of time, energy, good breathing air oh and money. Kubota's quality has went straight down the shitter in the last 5 years. I'm done with kubota. The paint wont even stay on a new kubota, flaking off in large pieces at 12 hours, loader is weak, constant PO codes, see ya.
Overall a good comparison. However, from research I have done on several brands of tractors, the Kubota Standard L Series is an "economy" model tractor (no bells and whistles). Had the young man pointed that out (I don't recall him mentioning that fact) it would have made his comparison better.
2 pedal is far superior, and that’s one thing I’ve never liked about Kubota. Granted, I’ve never been on a kubota. But I have operated many other pieces of turf equipment with treadle pedals and yeah they’re fine if your mowing at a reasonable speed, but if you’re going to be going between forward and reverse (as with doing loader work) it’s just really odd. I’m a John Deere person myself. We have a shuttle shift at work which has a loader on it, and frankly, it’s a pain in the ass. Would rather have a 2 pedal system. I’ve always been curious to try a kubota, not necessarily in terms of looking to purchase one, just to get a feel for them. Also I don’t like the loader mounted joystick. Again, comparing it to the equipment at work, we had a massey Ferguson backhoe with a loader mounted joystick but the way it was operated was different. Instead of moving your whole forearm to the side to actuate you dump cylinders, you just turned your wrist in either direction. Kinda hard to explain but it was a good system. I have no idea what I’m talking about. Carry on
They were made in the early 1980's, and are generally regarded as very fine machines. Very simple machines. If it were a 2WD I would avoid it unless it were to be used just to cut grass. If it were a 4WD with a loader, I would certainly consider it. Please know that a 40 year old tractor will need some repairs. Hydraulic lines, lighting, glow plugs, etc. don't last forever.
I bought a CK30 in 2006 with a First Choice 5 foot finish mower and grill guard. I could have spent the same amount on the Kubota competition alone. All I have had to do is replace the key assembly and the hood latch cable.
Great video. Only a hardcore Kubota fan would call this review biased or unfair. Kubota quality has been going downhill. I am very impressed with my dk45s and am now looking at a ck4010. You are actually almost not fair to Kioti. It is significantly better than kubota in probably 4 out of 5 features. MUCH better price, more power and capacity, better warranty, better standard features, better fit and finish. I would guess 9 out of 10 people would choose the kioti if they would put any and all biases aside, test both tractors, and compare price.
great comparison; just one thing: Kubota's loader lift capacity is in its name; the LA525 has a capacity of 525 Kilograms- multiply by 2.2 and you will have the lift capacity in pounds 1155 pounds (i will admit the lift capacity is pretty impressive on the Kioti.... at least both will totally out lift the comparable Deere/Yanmar). doing that much front lift how much ballast is required on the rear in order to maintain safe operation at max loader capacity? btw: both are far and away better than the Maheendra....
Geez the Kubota fan boys are touchy... There both good tractors. Kioti clearly has better specs if you looks at their descriptions on their websites. I'm not partial to either, but facts are facts.
@Bob Smithereens it's like talking to a wall. Look at the websites and compare figures. And reliability is completely opinion. Unless you know of a double blind study done comparing similar tractor with the exact same abuse. Resale is another story, I didnt day anything about that. Kubota is the obvious winner there. Personally, I never sell my shit, so it means nothing to me. Hope your enjoying your weekend!
I am not a kubota fan boy. I bought a kubota because the kioti dealer across the street couldn't be fucked to speak to me. I walked in to by this tractor. Money in hand. The kioti dealer in my area just didn't care. So, I bought the kubota.
I'd try a kioti but kubota is much more well known and has an amazing following... Used kubota in my area sell higher used then any other tractor... Even with extremely high hours... Example I have a b7100 with fel and back hoe... Been stored outside in Alaska its while life... 3800 hours!
@Bob Smithereens Resale values are IMO hyped. When they are too high, no one buys it, because they will just go get a new one instead...so don't believe everything you read.
@Bob Smithereens The kubota costs about 3000 more new...so it should have a higher resale value. What matters is how much one loses IF they sell it...but unless you are a contractor with a short term job, why would you buy a tractor for resale value? What we buy tractors for is for reliable and capable use. Both are reliable machines; however, the kioti has about 400# more loader lift capacity. And don't compare Korean to Indian. Not even the same. Korean products have been excellent, and studies show they taking a slight edge over Japan in the Auto industry in the last few years...so while Japan is first class in terms of reliability, it is very dishonest for you to suggest Korean to be comparable to Indian products when they are actually surpassing Japan.
I had a Kioti and just about every single nut, bolt, hose clamp, screw etc etc etc came loose after 20 hours of use..Very frustrating and costly! But it was a good tractor
Dawg u like boss on the kubooty...tracktohr
skid steer quick connect is standard on Kubota L series has been for years
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I believe both equipment brands are very respectful made, though there are somethings I like to point out bout kioti offer internally over the Kubota and other brands #1 is the hydrostatic transmission is much much quieter in operating cold or hot temperature and maintain cooler internal temperature because of it and #2 all of the internal housing of diff. Transmission, engine block and front axle are electroplated sealed that helps fights moisture that causes internal failure due to parts rusting or lubricant contaminated. I'm sure at some point Kubota and other brands may be catching on to this oversight but as retired mechanic this has been a long issue for front 4x4 axles and transmission failures in the past! Kioti have my vote
In all fairness your comparing a stripped down economy version of a Kubota. When it comes to lift capacity for Kubota just multiply the loader # by 2.2 and usually is the maximum lift capacity. To there isn't really a "cheap" tractor brand they are equipment made for work. Kubota, kioti, Deere, LS(new Holland I believe) Massey, and on. Tractors are like vehicles now a days you can the same tractor size and horsepower and have $20,000 difference say like a Kubota L3902 vs L4060 think I got the models right but it's all in what your willing to spend and get by with or without.
Kioti is simply a superior machine in EVERY respect. Not saying Kubota is bad.... Kioti is just better.
Thanks for the video. It made me buy a kubota.
Hyundai/Kia vs Honda aka Korean and Japanese...and Kioti vs Kubota...hmmm Let that sink in...
I do like where the fuel tank is on the Kioti vs kubota. I have a mahindra 1626 and I have to step up to fill without making a spill.
Just look at the cylinder ram diameter difference
I have had a HST ck4010 for 5 years now. It has been a great piece of equipment, and my dealer is top notch.
11 year old DK35 SE HST. Still love it to this very day!
I like the way this person doesn't trash the Kabota, I believe it gives him more credibility. Good job brother! you've sparked my curiosity.
Kubota makes a fine tractor. I admire the Kubota product for the same reason that I admire our Kiotis: these two manufacturers are the only two major players that make all of their own stuff! No rebranding other tractors and calling it your own. One manufacturer of the tractor, including the engine, transmission, axles, everything. This control of the product production lends itself to a higher quality finished machine.
I’m pretty sure all Kubota loaders come with SSQA and if one does not the dealer will strongly recommend installing one. In regards to load lift, Kubota loaders normally have it written in kilograms on the side of the loader. For example the loader on my tractor is a LA-854 loader. It’s rated at lifting 854 kilograms.
go to Messics for a fair comparison
I have owned 2 kiotis, I have purchased 4 for a company I worked for previously. There is not a better tractor on the market!
1 is a Kubota and 1 is not. It's like do ya buy a Yamaha wheeler or a CFMoto...
One thing kioti owners i know complain about is cost of parts . Many say they would never buy again for that reason
But you have no actual knowledge of this? Great comment.
My Kubota 3901 is constantly having problems, from coolant leaks to strange codes that need to be cleared, and it's a headache. For being 2 yrs old i'm not happy. The service from my local dealer is crap, they return the tractor twice now and ignore the coolant leak and conveniently say "they couldn't find any leak? I will be considering a Kioti !
Very fair comparison. I have a Kubota L2501. Love it. I prefer the two pedal system. The seat is an upgrade on Kioti. No local dealer in my area. In the future I would consider a Kioti.
i just purchased a Kioti used rx6620 with low hours and it operates very nicely... now my wish is to have a Kioti dealer at Topeka, Ks. the state capitol...Mmm thanks and great info...:)
OuR Kubota 2004 L series gear 2800 has run great for 18 years 2000 hours. The loader/ lift power is rather low. The hydraulic pump is low flow compared to a new Kioti. Kubota's are much more expensive than Kiotis now. Looking at a 3510 0r 4010 Kioti . Kiotis come with quick attach as standard. I dont like the rear light placement on the Kioti up on the rollover bar . ALSo the fuel tank is in the open behind the driver. Kubotas is covered under the hood. Both dealers are 45 minutes away. I never took the Kubota in for service. Nothing ever broke. It coughed once and died because I had not changed the fuel filter as recommended at every 100 hours. I think it went to 120 that time. We used the tractor to load , scrape plow our 900 ft driveway, move rocks, gravel, brush, log some. , lifted 4x4 bales ok. I had a home made bale fork that bolted to the bucket, A chain worked good too, Always changed the fluids and filters myself. 2000 hours at $35. If you can hire at that rate means that the tractor has paid for itself 5+ times. To plow our driveways alone would be $70 per time. We average 12 storms per year. Who wants to wait for some goober to get around to you to plow? Not me Last year I was scraping/ plowing at 1.30.AM. We dont have a cab. and who cares? I Never Hayed. Kioti feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Which tractor is a better quality and more reliable tractor, Kioti or a Massey Feeguson?
I’ve got the Kubota with the single pedal. You’re 100 percent right that after awhile your right leg gets tired from lifting up and down. Especially doing stuff like snow removal where there’s a lot of forward and back. It’s also quite awkward with big winter boots on. Been looking at getting the 3510 with cab for our Canadian winters.
Bought a CK3510SE cab model with the loader and backhoe about 7 months ago. To be honest, this is my first tractor larger than a lawn tractor. No comparison, obviously. Moved to the country and needed something to pull about 300+ fence posts in concrete filled holes, and dig some trenches, move pallets from roadway up about 200 ft. of gravel driveway to outbuilding, etc. Only have about 65 hours on it, but have had zero problems, and am very impressed with everything so far. The loader (and forklift) capacity advantage over Kubota was huge for me. I would have had to gone to next size up Kubota to get similar weight capacity. I really think it is built heavier in some areas as well. One example is the diameter of the rams on the loader. Really didn't like the pedal on the Kubota at all. I spend a lot of time backing up, and, at least for me, it is pretty uncomfortable after a while. Both the loader and the backhoe remove and attach pretty easily, and access to the areas needed for maintenance is great. The AC and heat in the cab both rock. No problem in extreme temps for either of them. And, it was about 5 to 10% cheaper than the Kubota, and way cheaper than the green one. I know that resale would probably not be as good for Kioti, but I am planning on being burried in mine. Just not sure how they are going to fill in the hole if me and the tractor are in it. :-)
You might need it in the afterlife.!
from my observations about lift capacity is it seems like generally the kubota breakout force is greater then the similar kioti but kioti has a higher rated capacity. so it would appear that kioti just rates the loaders higher maybe just to beat competion
That is simplistic and untrue. The Kioti weighs quite a bit more, and the hydraulic pump has a higher output, just to name two items. Lift capacities are rated at the "tipping point" of the tractor. That is literally the point that the tractor falls forward and a new pair of pants must be procured.
The Hydraulic system of the Kubota (main & power steering) is 8.28 GPM. The Kioti is 11.7 GPM. The really surprising thing is that in Kubota's brochure, they do not print the breakout force or the lift capacity...hmmm...www.kubotausa.com/docs/default-source/brochure-sheets/l2501.pdf?sfvrsn=34e9b1d_8 See for yoursef.
@@LSE_TRACTOR i should have specified i wasnt compairing those 2 models but the sub compact and small compact. tractor data lists loader specs for the l3301 but they are all at different meassurments then kioti so no real way to get an exact comparison
My family has owned Kioti tractors for over 15 years and we love them. I have had various sizes. We currently have a DK 55 with a turbo. I put 300-400 hrs a year on it and I love it! They are built much heavier than the Kubota.
Hi Chris , I have to replace bearing in my front wheel , also the front axle housing has some marks on the inside. I have ordered all the bearings I need, . I am having trouble finding the oil/grease seals and o rings. Not sure if it is necessary to replace this hosing it is priced very high . Any comment is appreciated. I have a DK40 Kioti
The foot rocker system on the kubota isn’t that bad….it doesn’t take a lot of effort at all to go reverse! After awhile you don’t even realize going forward and reverse!
It took me a minute to get use to it cause I had the 2501 manual trans and upgraded to the 3902! Pedal configuration is improved from the 01 to the 02!
Kioti imo has copied Kubota in many ways and mostly looks! Some differences for convenience and performance I suppose!
When I began my search for a compact tractor, I was looking at a Kubota L3301 and a Kioti CK3510. After comparing prices, features, and talking to owners of both brands, I chose the Kioti - but I moved up to a DK4510.
how much did you pay for your dk4510 if you don't mind me asking?
But, do the Kioti tractors last a long time? I’m more concerned about reliability than anything.
oh please, your struggling
I always considered the KIOTI the hyundai of tractors.They were not the best tractor when they first came out,but over time there better and better.I own KUBOTA equipment,I tried out a KIOTI apples to apples and it was a heavier tractor,better lifting capacity.I found the KIOTI to have a cheaper looking,almost delicate instrument cluster compared to KUBOTA. ,and reputation wise KUBOTA has proven they are a refined,tight fit and finish and high resale,Japanese engineered product.KIOTI has come a long way with there quality.BUT,who makes the best equipment,HONDA,YAMAHA,TOYOTA,SUBARU,SUZUKI,YANMAR,TAKEUCHI,All japanese quality.Kioti makes a good tractor,But koreans will never be japanese when it comes to engineering.Good,honest vid,i like it.
You own Kubotas. You like Kubotas. There is nothing wrong with that. BUT>>> "Koreans will never be Japanese when it comes to engineering". That is an idiotic statement. By your way of thinking folks should seek out a Sony or Panasonic television over an LG. Is it possible to even buy a Sony? Perhaps not even consider a KIA Telluride, which has won every SUV of the year award I can think of. Hyundai is the world's largest ship builder, but their ships are probably not refined.
I own Toyotas, Yamahas and a Kubota and I will tell you that the Japanese quality is not what it was 20 years ago since they started building things here in the U.S.
I own a Kubota L3901 and although its been a reliable tractor, I will probably consider the Kioti for my next tractor just because of bad designs that I've found with the Kubota. I don't like the rocker pedal. It's great going forward but reverse is a very awkward position. I don't like how I can only enter and exit the tractor from one side. The fuel tank is fairly difficult to fill if you're using fuel cans. I'm not exactly sure how the backhoe attachment is on the Kioti but I can tell you that it is a very piss poor design on the Kubota. I dread having to put it on and take it off. The seat is absolute garbage and the headlight/turn signal switch is in a location that gets hit by my knee very often and feels very flimsy.
That little toolbox on the back of the Kabota behind the seat is standard and believe you me is the most appreciated part of that tractor especially for people that have three point attachments installed and are always in need of linchpins bolts nuts small pliers and wrenches that toolbox is critical. Just saying
Certainly that can’t be “the most appreciated part of that tractor”. I have to assume that even with all of the Kubota’s shortcomings, that there is something on the machine that can be appreciated more than the tool box. Perhaps not.
I really appreciate the neutral stand point you took on this.. i would purchase a kioti just because of this reviews
There are so many things wrong with this that I can't be bothered explaining. You actually lie which is not a great sales tactic. We wouldn't hire you at our dealership. Tactics like this is one reason why we have eight sales guys selling 800 Kubotas a year and the Daedong dealer, sorry I mean "Kioti" dealer down the road has one salesman and about three tractors in stock. Best of luck and keep doing what you are doing.
No luck is needed. 740 new in 2021.
You must be new. Ask around. 😎
umm I've had a kubota for 14 years and the pedals on the HST has never once bothered me nor anyone else that has used it. Kind of a stretch to say this is a big difference. Also Hump is a issue? thats a stretch also. The lifting capabilities is the selling point. Kioti claims to out lift any in the class so take a pallet of cement and pick it up and keep adding weight until you max one of the tractors out. That test is a huge factor for anyone I know that has bought a CK version.
I’m not trying to make an unfair comparison between these two tractors. That’s why I’m showing you this old out of date kabota comparing it to a brand new top of the line Kioti. Again, I’m not trying to be unfair but here you go ,an entirely unfair comparison between an old tractor and a brand new one . If anyone is sharp enough to catch the unfairness of this video, please ,please leave your comments.Otherwise just take my word for it, from a guy trying to sell you a tractor base on an entirely unfair comparison.
When I see Kioti at the rent a center. I'll buy one.
Ah yes. “In the land of the witless, you would surely be king”
You should address the comments about the pumps, hoses, fluid leaks and welds breaking first.
@@R.E.L.Asphalt_Sealcoating you Sir, are an obvious idiot. My thoughts are with your family.
@@LSE_TRACTOR Looks like I hit a nerve. Facts are facts. Name calling won't help sell tractors.
@@R.E.L.Asphalt_Sealcoating 520 new Kiotis in 2020, Big Mon ;)
You buy a Kubota for quality. You buy a Kioti because it is a cheaper decent tractor compared to the garbage from China! However you can not compare it to a Kubota or Yanmar. Not at all!
Jon, I'll bet you have a 25 year old Zenith television that's better than anything Samsung puts out, and you wouldn't trade your Chrysler New Yorker even-up for a new Hyundai. Stay uninformed Jon. That way you will never be surprised, lol.
@@LSE_TRACTOR Again as you mention Hyundai (and Kia) are better cars than the Chinese crap cars, but no match to Japanese and German cars. But you are probably the guy who prefer a Kia over a Lexus or Mercedes. 🤣😂🤣
Only thing I don't like is the hydraulic hoses are to exposed .
Exactly that would get broke in the woods...
The hydronic flow is steering and fel.... and it will not lift 1800 pounds...
I have the same worry. I'm gonna be welding or bolting in a protective plate.
IMO There is one major point that needs to be addressed between the two. Kubota has their Top Link mount point on rear of trans case, That is the worse place for the top link to be mounted because all pulling force is on the rear of trans case when using a PTO winch so after 10 years of pto winching the trans case cracked on mine and the repair is to replace the trans case where 3000 gears are.......
And now noise is coming from trans case forward part when in 4 wheel drive, started while digging into a dirt bank, very disappointed in Kubota L3400.....
I just can’t buy anything made in South Korea such as the Kioti!
the skidsteer quick attachment does come standard
I owned a 2011 CK27 and it had the single rocker pedal. I hated it.
Emailed 3 Kioti dealers for pricing. None responded.
You didn't email mine, but thanks for sharing
And the big deal with the fuel tank location...id sooner have a diesel tank under the hood near the heated engine...less prone to diesel gelling during operation....and quality is far better with the kubota over all...types of metal and material...kioti uses cheaper materials n metals....remember its korean...anyhow end of rant..
system. heel toe is MUCH better than the two pedals. That's the biggest reason to purchase the Kabota. Your leg gets tired very fast with two pedals not at all with Kabota heel toe pedL
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I've got a CK30. New in 2007. At 475 hours my injection pump died (plastic parts), 525 hours and the injection lift pump died. That's it. When I bought it I looked at the L series Kubota. I bought the Kioti and a 5 foot finish mower for the price of the Kubota alone.
Did I sell you the thirteen year old tractor?
Check Hinomoto tractors, excellent tractors built in south korea at the factory (Tong Yang Moolsan), with yanmar engine
You missed that the Kubota has hidden hydraulic lines for the loader while the Kioti is sticking out to the outside of the loader frame. Otherwise good.
I've been watching a crap ton of videos on kioti...a recurring problem appears to be weld failures relative the the back hoe sub-frame...wish they would fix this
Kioti is great, until you need parts. You likely will not walk in a dealer and out with what you're looking. They can order it, and 6 or 8 weeks later you might have it.
I sold my ck and bought a Kubota within a year of buying a kioti.
I hope things have improved, just bought my CK this spring.
What kind of parts did you need, that you had to wait for?
@@davehudson4607 mainly hydraulic components. I ended up selling mine broken and bought a kubota.
I looked at the Kabota L2501 and the price was insane..I got the actual quote today..I thought the 23,400 was OTD..Nope it was 27,265..Thats HST, quick attach bucket, r4 tires filled with Tax and fees and insurance payments around 454 a month..A bit much I think for around the house. Think I'm gonna look at this Kioti model and Mahindra and do a price compare I was expecting the Kabota to be closer.
Better shop around, I got one for 31k otd and that was with a bh77 backhoe
I traded my CK2610 for the Kubota b2650. I had nothing but problems with the CK. I would not recommend KIOTI to anyone. Love my Kubota and the dealer stands behind it.
What kind of trouble did you have?
I like how you don’t even have your actual name when leaving a negative review
I found the same thing. Sitting behind the steering wheel, I found the Kubota kind of cramped.
I did prefer the flip seat to the backhoe on the Kubota, Plenty of room, at the controls,and I think
the Kubota is a little shorter, which is a benefit. I find sitting at the backhoe a little cramped on
the Kioti, but I will likely spend more time with the loader. The two pedals are more comfortable
than the rocker pedal, and operator controls more comfortable for me.
I bought the Kioti CK4010 TLB
Hi Dave. How is it 1 year in?
@@lilgordy90
Still very happy with the machine. Did the 50 hour service in the spring, all went well. Added more lighting, made cleaning snow much easier.
Just really very satisfied. All I can say is buy one, you won’t be disappointed.
Kubota loader model numbers are suppose to be the weight rating in kg. Rating is at max height and in front of the pins
I own an l3301 kubota. Great tractor. I looked around before buying. Kubota has and have 0% financing. Many competitors didn't. Plus my friends own kubota
and swear by it.
Todd Jeffords The Kubota is a fine machine. It just seems to be lacking the strength and ergonomics of the more modern Kioti. And Kioti has 0% for 72 months. And perhaps you need smarter friends ;)
@@LSE_TRACTOR is the 0 percent financing exclusive to your area? I live in Michigan and I am looking for a cab tractor. I had an l3301 but sold it. I am seriously leaning toward LS or Kioti based on price and financing
0% Financing or CK-10 Rebates of up to $3300.00 are programs available nationally.
Todd, as the poster replied, Kubota makes good machines. But for the features, weight and lift capacities, there are better options at the same price point. Same goes for the Deere 3 Series tractors. Not everyone needs the best, biggest, most powerful, etc.
@@justinrobert4337 I recommend you also consider Branson and Mahindra, both are very capable, heavy, reliable, and feature laden. Mahindra has really strong warranties. You should also put lots of weight on the performance and location of the dealer, which can make or break the "enjoyment factor" of tractor ownership.
What is the price on the kioti
Depends on how you accessorize it. Tractor, Tractor/Loader, or Tractor/Loader/Backhoe? You can also add a linked Pedal, Cruise Control, a Cab, extra lighting, flashers, lots of options, depending on what you want or need
@@davehudson4607 i know that but obviously I am talking about the one I'm looking at in the video
I have CK 30, and it ROCKS!
Borrowed a friend's new ck kioti... Went to step in the tractor and the welds on the foot step snapped right off. I don't think you can really compare Japanese quality to Korean.... Kubota will always hold their resale value better and I've never had a Kubota foot step snap right off 👎
I'm almost positive i read this comment on another video...
Either A , you're lying or B your mate broke it , Kioti build top class gear .
@@alexfrankl7861 you're right I just made that up for absolutely no reason.... Clown
@@TriggerTravels work for Kubota maybe .
Good video 👍. I have been looking at a new tractor and Kubota was the only choice till I started looking at the CK 10 series.
That was my thought as well, did you buy a tractor? I bought a Kioti.
@@davehudson4607 I purchased a B 2650. If I would have had a good Kioti dealer near me the decision would have been harder. Thanks and have a good one from west Tennessee
@@hphillips7425 yup, need to have a dealer pretty close 👍😉
Thanks for this video. I’m doing the comparing you spoke of in the beginning and so far I really like the stronger hydraulics and heavier chassis of the Kioti. Great job man
I believe the comparison is okay but far from fair. The lift capacity is misleading remember all tractors have about the same capacity rating. Lifting more on this tractor vs another just isn’t true. Comfort is personal so that shouldn’t even be in this comparison
"all tractors have about the same capacity rating" Huh? That's like saying all trucks have about the same towing rating.
@@LSE_TRACTOR so you are saying tractor rating per size is way different. Yet I know of 3 tractors in the 25hp that show higher lift. By putting a heavier lift on the same class tractor doesn’t mean more lift in reality just saying
@@markokelberry6458 And you have evidence of the Kioti failing to lift 1835 pounds to full height? Allow me to answer that. The Kioti CK-10 Series with the Kioti KL4030 Loader lifts 1835 to full height. It is a statistic that we are very proud of, and rightfully so.
@@LSE_TRACTOR I have been researching this class tractor to purchase. I was not stabbing your video I was saying it’s misleading a little. I have researched 7 manufacturers trying to determine what tractor is for me. After researching all 7 tractors I looked at the most important part the front axle rating and they are all really close. If you can show me something else I should look at please do. I am not partial to any brand as this will be my first personal tractor
No question he is a Kiote salesman and NOT an operator. I've run tractors for a very long time....bucket control location is extremely minor.....forward back pedals are strictly preference. Buddy LOVES the "rocker style" pedal...I hate any HST pedals all together.
Guys, it's a tractor. You aren't driving it to Sunday church or taking the family to dinner in it. Cup holders and cruise control are not why you are buying a tractor! I'm picking up TWO tractors (RX and NX) from Larry Stovestand tomorrow, but my purchase wasn't based on hand position or foot position.
This was a really informative honest review thanks
Thank you, Ben.
I disagree with your comment on the one pedal system. I have a kioti with one pedal system, and I love working with it, certainly when cutting gras in small area's. Back for is going quit quicly.
hans vanmeenen I have both, I too prefer the two pedals.
Thank you for this! It really helped clear up some questions!
Quick question, is the backhoe connected via the 3-point hitch or is it attached to the frame?
All Kioti backhoes use a subframe design. No 3-point
2 different companies 2 different tractors !
This video confirms what I've felt about Kubotas, that they under-engineer their hydraulics. I have a 7320 and it is a beast for its size. Everything is beefier than what one finds on a comparable Kubota. Kubotas are good tractors, but I like the Kiotis WAY better. The same I will say for the new Deeres. A new JD equipped like my Kioti priced out at $139K. This Kioti was about $52K new, IIRC. That is a hell of a difference in cost and thus far the 7320 has been fantastic.
I have a lk3054 It surprises me how strong it is. I’ve had very little trouble with it. I’ve had it for about 15 years. It’s a 1996 model. Couldn’t imagine the kubota being any better.
Thanks Don. The LK Series really was a big seller for Kioti. I think that it's great when owners like yourself take the time to share your experiences.
So I have a L3301 w/ Backhoe. There would be no room to sit if the fuel tank was behind the seat. Also, the toolbox and quick attach are standard.
Stephen, The Universal skid-steer mount (Kubota calls it LA525 w/ 2-Lever Style Coupler" Is $623.00 more than the LA525 without the mount. In fact, if you would like a bucket level indicator on the Kubota, please add$65.00. We do fact check before we publish. As to an independent backhoe seat with a properly mounted rear fuel tank, of course these is room.
I owned Kubota and I now own the Kioti. That in itself is my statement. I highly recommend the Kioti brand: # Money/ Maintenance/ Durability/ Parts and Service is two opposites on the scale. 2 years on the Kubota the case started to leak, hours and dollars wasted I never could get it to stop leaking.
I bought my Kioti D-45 in 2002 and I am still working the hell out of it today 2021, It is beat up and ugly but it always has been very dependable.
What Kubota did you have?
Kioti tractors are Korean and are much like Kia / Hyundai automobiles...they keep improving and getting better but in the end you’re still driving a Kia.
Tyler MacConnell Tyler, I’m confused. Are you saying that as a compliment or an insult?
I guess Tyler’s mom made him get off of the internet.
Folks, Kioti’s Korean heritage (75 years, BTW) puts them amongst such respected companies as the Hyundai/Kia Group (they are one company), LG, Samsung, Hankook Tire, Doosan Heavy Equipment, and on and on. Here is some noteworthy info:
Korea has the highest number of patents per GDP, has the world’s highest R&D dollars spent per GDP, and was the first country on the planet to fully transition to high speed internet nationwide.
Having been to Korea, allow me to tell you what really struck me; they like us. One of the very few countries in the world that the citizens don’t hate Americans. They remember the sacrifices we made in the early 1950’s, and will speak about American soldiers and Marines with reverence. Compare that to a country like France, where the blood left on the beaches was so quickly forgotten.
My .02
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@@LSE_TRACTOR not smart to go after posters like that from a dealer....makes you look petty and biased.
Chuck T. I am petty. And biased.
Great helpful video. Thank you!
What about rear hydraulics?
They work great
I don't like crap made in Korea and China. I much prefer Japanese quality.
Who gives a shit what you like? Seriously. How many folks are waiting and wondering “ I won’t buy anything until Mike Zahnow” says it’s ok”.
You are an insignificant troll.
@@LSE_TRACTOR like I really give a shit what you think as well. Your channel is a waste of u tube space! Says a lot about your dealership the way you conduct yourself. Ok Cletus you understand son.
@@mikezahnow1605 it says a lot about my dealership that I sold 700 new tractors last year, little man.
@@LSE_TRACTOR 700 dollars worth lol.
Good comparison video! Thanks for this.
What year is that kubota? Comparing this old Kubota to a new may not be too fair.
As Matt clearly states, it is one year old. In fact he says it 5 times.
it's the older model kubota. and it's the base model.
Your Lift of 1131 for the Kubota is 500mm ahead of pivot pins (center bucket....the 1800lbs+ that you boast about in the kioti is at the pivot pin....lift should be measured center bucket because thats where the load is....just saying.
Ryan McCaslin will you cite your source please?
Absolutely believe it or not I sell Kubota and John Deere under the same roof! I wish I could send a picture of my literature.
Ryan McCaslin hmmmmm, curious. By all means, simply send the information to mike@larrysellstractors.com. I’d be interested in seeing it. Especially the Yanmar. Oops, I mean the Deere.
Forsure, Deere’s last yanmar built tractor was the 2 series 2 years ago. All others are John Deere built. When folks ask me about kioti I say you mean Daedong 😬😬😬. But I will follow up happy selling sir!
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My review on the JD built one.. which is a lot better Forsure!
Been loking for a sub compact. The Kioti dealer is about 45 miles from me and John Deere and Kubota are a lot closer. The warranty seems great . Want to get over soon and test one out.
Thom Miller All three machines, the Deere, the Kubota, and the Kioti are fine tractors that will serve you for decades. Knowing that none of these will be a disappointment from a quality standpoint, it’s now time to drive all three, compare specs, and most importantly gauge your impression of the Dealer. Buying a new tractor is a partnership of three entities: the owner, the manufacturer, and the dealer. As I said, all three manufacturers build a quality product, so be aware of the importance of your dealer. He or she must recognize that your satisfaction is above all else what really matters. Thanks for watching Matt’s video, and thanks for considering a Kioti!
@@LSE_TRACTOR Hit the nail on the head and sage advice!!!
We love our dk4510!!!!
Great Video! Other things to note, the grease fittings on the loader on the kioti are all inner tube grease fittings unlike the exposed kubota standard grease fittings. The Kioti Bucket has the option for added bolt on tooth bar bolt on, not sure if the kubota can offer a bolt on one from the factory as an option. We love the kioti product and have been selling it for many years! Amazing video and very honest review! Both machines are great but some good valid points being made on the Kioti for sure! We have seen great response to the ck10 series with kioti and have had hundreds of happy customers! Keep up the great videos - Your fellow Northern Kioti dealer
kubota and kioti are pretty well twins same orange
Thank you sir! You've got some great videos as well!
kobota 's LATEST model has option for bolt on tooth bar.
@@michaelmactavish1728 Only in color similarity. Kubota is MUCH better tractor. Plz don't make sane mistake I made when i bought a CK25 , it's just cheaply made, compared to Kubota
@@treylem3 kioti is pretty well copying kubota off with same looks and designs
Great video. If I was close to you I would love to visit your dealership. Only one thing I would of added to the video is the grease locations. Kubota use a zerk. Kioti uses a center pin type. I feel the center pin type are cleaner, lube better, and are a ton less likely to get broken off.
My Dick Thank you for noticing that small but clever item.
Larry Stovesand Equipment South tooooo dam funny
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Don't think I would have caught it without your comment, thanks.😄
Are they the same thing
I have CK-30 with heated cab great machine.
I had to point out at the end of your comparison that you got the lift weight at the 3-point hitch wrong: the Kubota L3301 is 1433 lbs., that was right. But the Kioti 3510 was less than the Kubota, at 1361 lbs., not 1631, as you stated. The numbers were transposed, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on that one. But the Kubota's rear lift capacity is higher than the Kioti's.
One other thing: I'm bothered that the loader hydraulics are somewhat exposed on the outside of the Kioti's loader, while the Kubota's are protected by the loader arm. A smack from a sturdy tree branch on the Kioti's right side could cause some significant repair costs, in my opinion.
Puter, I see where tractordata.com has 1361 listed as the number. Unfortunately tractordata.com is the one who has the numbers transposed. They are a 3rd party website that can be helpful in finding out about models, but please refer to the Kioti website for official statistics and facts. You will find that the accurate 3pt lifting capacity is actually 1631lbs at 24" behind the lift points. Here is a link: www.kioti.com/products/tractors/ck10-series/ck3510/
www.KiotiSales.com Larry Stovesand Equipment
Tell it to TractorData...
www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/008/8/6/8865-kioti-ck3510.html
Having just visited a Kioti dealer the first thing I saw was how the exposed the hydraulics are. I want to like these tractors but as it will spend a lot of time in the woods am leary.
@@IBelieveItNot If you go there, it shows over 1600#. Looks like Tractor data updated their info.
Well for all ladies complaining about the old vs new thing, I just traded a L3301 in at your dealership for a Nx5510. Do the comparisons again. I'm pretty confident that kioti will blow it away. Buying the kubota was the biggest waste of time, energy, good breathing air oh and money. Kubota's quality has went straight down the shitter in the last 5 years. I'm done with kubota. The paint wont even stay on a new kubota, flaking off in large pieces at 12 hours, loader is weak, constant PO codes, see ya.
LOL, Todd that's a great idea!
Overall a good comparison. However, from research I have done on several brands of tractors, the Kubota Standard L Series is an "economy" model tractor (no bells and whistles). Had the young man pointed that out (I don't recall him mentioning that fact) it would have made his comparison better.
2 pedal is far superior, and that’s one thing I’ve never liked about Kubota. Granted, I’ve never been on a kubota. But I have operated many other pieces of turf equipment with treadle pedals and yeah they’re fine if your mowing at a reasonable speed, but if you’re going to be going between forward and reverse (as with doing loader work) it’s just really odd. I’m a John Deere person myself. We have a shuttle shift at work which has a loader on it, and frankly, it’s a pain in the ass. Would rather have a 2 pedal system. I’ve always been curious to try a kubota, not necessarily in terms of looking to purchase one, just to get a feel for them.
Also I don’t like the loader mounted joystick. Again, comparing it to the equipment at work, we had a massey Ferguson backhoe with a loader mounted joystick but the way it was operated was different. Instead of moving your whole forearm to the side to actuate you dump cylinders, you just turned your wrist in either direction. Kinda hard to explain but it was a good system.
I have no idea what I’m talking about. Carry on
Hey I’m looking at getting a kubota l275. What are your thoughts on those tractors? Anything info very appreciated
They were made in the early 1980's, and are generally regarded as very fine machines. Very simple machines. If it were a 2WD I would avoid it unless it were to be used just to cut grass. If it were a 4WD with a loader, I would certainly consider it. Please know that a 40 year old tractor will need some repairs. Hydraulic lines, lighting, glow plugs, etc. don't last forever.
thank you,, good stufffff
Good video I've been looking at different brands I'm in s cal I want a good dealership and a reliable machine
I bought a CK30 in 2006 with a First Choice 5 foot finish mower and grill guard. I could have spent the same amount on the Kubota competition alone. All I have had to do is replace the key assembly and the hood latch cable.
Great video. Only a hardcore Kubota fan would call this review biased or unfair. Kubota quality has been going downhill. I am very impressed with my dk45s and am now looking at a ck4010. You are actually almost not fair to Kioti. It is significantly better than kubota in probably 4 out of 5 features. MUCH better price, more power and capacity, better warranty, better standard features, better fit and finish. I would guess 9 out of 10 people would choose the kioti if they would put any and all biases aside, test both tractors, and compare price.
great comparison; just one thing: Kubota's loader lift capacity is in its name; the LA525 has a capacity of 525 Kilograms- multiply by 2.2 and you will have the lift capacity in pounds 1155 pounds (i will admit the lift capacity is pretty impressive on the Kioti.... at least both will totally out lift the comparable Deere/Yanmar). doing that much front lift how much ballast is required on the rear in order to maintain safe operation at max loader capacity?
btw: both are far and away better than the Maheendra....
Very good video. Well done👍
Geez the Kubota fan boys are touchy... There both good tractors. Kioti clearly has better specs if you looks at their descriptions on their websites. I'm not partial to either, but facts are facts.
@Bob Smithereens it's like talking to a wall. Look at the websites and compare figures. And reliability is completely opinion. Unless you know of a double blind study done comparing similar tractor with the exact same abuse. Resale is another story, I didnt day anything about that. Kubota is the obvious winner there. Personally, I never sell my shit, so it means nothing to me. Hope your enjoying your weekend!
I am not a kubota fan boy. I bought a kubota because the kioti dealer across the street couldn't be fucked to speak to me. I walked in to by this tractor. Money in hand. The kioti dealer in my area just didn't care. So, I bought the kubota.
I'd try a kioti but kubota is much more well known and has an amazing following... Used kubota in my area sell higher used then any other tractor... Even with extremely high hours... Example I have a b7100 with fel and back hoe... Been stored outside in Alaska its while life... 3800 hours!
@Bob Smithereens Resale values are IMO hyped. When they are too high, no one buys it, because they will just go get a new one instead...so don't believe everything you read.
@Bob Smithereens The kubota costs about 3000 more new...so it should have a higher resale value. What matters is how much one loses IF they sell it...but unless you are a contractor with a short term job, why would you buy a tractor for resale value? What we buy tractors for is for reliable and capable use. Both are reliable machines; however, the kioti has about 400# more loader lift capacity. And don't compare Korean to Indian. Not even the same. Korean products have been excellent, and studies show they taking a slight edge over Japan in the Auto industry in the last few years...so while Japan is first class in terms of reliability, it is very dishonest for you to suggest Korean to be comparable to Indian products when they are actually surpassing Japan.
I had a Kioti and just about every single nut, bolt, hose clamp, screw etc etc etc came loose after 20 hours of use..Very frustrating and costly!
But it was a good tractor