I made a video changing the header pairing for the people wondering about that th-cam.com/video/rEDtQp8po84/w-d-xo.html X-Pipe: th-cam.com/video/uI-Pl7vCQBU/w-d-xo.html H-Pipe th-cam.com/video/hVKnvvYLDCE/w-d-xo.html True Quad: th-cam.com/video/peDOTCkcLJc/w-d-xo.html
OK FELLA... You THINK you're smart... 😛 WHAT ABOUT 3 into 1 AND a 1 into 1 exhaust system? (2 pipes, 1 handling 3 of the cylinders, the other handling JUSt ONE cylinder)... HOW wil THAT sound eh? 🤔😏😉👍 😎🇬🇧
Nothing beats various V8s but this sounds roughly 7324 times better than any farting four I’ve ever heard. Previous best was Subaru boxer but this beats that. (Plus boxers are SO weak like, vroommm SNAP… repair repair… vroom vrooommmm SNAP… repair repair… vroooSNAP… goes in bin🤓)
It sounds like a well mixed cross between a Subaru and a bike engine...almost reminiscent of a Group B car. You've unlocked a new setup for 4 bangers that doesn't sound shit.
im now processing how you could make a decently quiet true dual for performance on a sleeper. would sound good and hopefully close to stock with the smaller pipes needed.
lmao it does sound exactly like a bike engine, probably because of how only half the cylinders going through each pipe gives a pulsed characteristic to the sound.
Four cylinders are boring as heck, any UEL setup that isn’t completely straight pipe is gonna sound good unless it’s a tricked out 4ag which sounds good even firing
I like that too. TH-cam has gone to shit in recent years. Every car video is some half an hour long vlog consisting of - absolute highlight of the video shown in the "intro". Then it's another introduction. Followed by 3 minutes of advertisement of some VPN solution some useless product. Then its 10 minutes of random footage. 2 minutes of actual themed video and then again random bullshit for 10 minutes. (90% of screentime is someone's face in "selfie" format)
@@Mart77 In todays video: (best scenes). I hate this trend, I clicked on the video because I want to watch it as a whole thing. Learned to fastly skip this part, because its just spoiler..
I've started to avoid videos over 10 minutes long because of the "How to be a car TH-camr" video format people like to use. It starts with a 1 minute clip of the actual video subject, then a 5 minute long dear diary intro, followed by a 5 minute long ad about mail order TV dinners, then they say a bunch of long winded crap for like 8 minutes, and then finally they end the video by reading their entire Patreon list out loud. Aviation channels are even worse somehow, they'll be like 50 minutes long for something that could be explained in 5 minutes.
@@sigmamale4147 Ha, I guess not! Good job hater's garage actually did the hard work so we internet debaters have the hard facts instead of relying on baseless assumptions and emotional arguments that only serve to soothe egos.
Subarus sound the way they do because they usually have unequal-length headers. You can make an inline 4 sound like that if you go out of your way to mismatch the header lengths. Unfortunately it also isn't the best for performance--you gotta choose between sounding cool and going fast(ish).
@rfmerrill Yeah. Although it's partly the flat/boxer layout, which does create the weird note. Always thought old school beetles sound similar. I've got a Gt86 and my mate has an old beetle and they sound surprisingly similar at idle.
@@experimental0000 Yeah. There are Subis without the uel headers and they dont sound subaru at all. Porsches are boxer too and sound completely different, or the old vw vans, beetle etc
To be "that guy", the F2.2 much prefers a 4-1. Part of the reason even race exhausts don't do this is because you lose scavenging. Honda usually puts really good exhaust on their cars from factory or they used to back where they were good...😊
Definitely a deeper sound than my 1974 Toyota Celica. My Dad and I split the exhaust manifold back in 1985 to see how different it sounded compared to his 1952 Chevy straight Six. They were close but my Celica had a higher pitch. We ran straight pipes to the back wheels then had 18" Cherry Bombs with chrome tips. Kind of like a High Powered Weed Eater. LOL. Great to see someone doing a True Dual again.
@@vakarispargauskas5422 No mufflers just 1.75" straight pipe per side to 1.75" in/out no name resonators, to 2.5" per side. Had videos on my old TH-cam which I lost when I deleted my Google account :(
@@simonaldridge4099I find that no name resonators that you can get from a proper shop can net you better results but in America everything is brands 🤣 if you not branded you a loser 🤣
@@livingthelife8443 well not everything you can go with that thinking eah....the money you save on exhaust you can spend on the stuff that matters, I just find that people are robbing themselves on these thousand-dollar exhaust
Without a doubt one of the coolest sounding 4 cylinders I've heard. Down low you get a Subaru sort of rumble and up high it sounds like a v4 Honda magna which is one of my all time favorite sounding bikes
Had an '88 Olds with a quad 4, and no catalytic converter. It actually didnt sound bad. The converters were burned out. Your car sounds really good! Impressive! Love the ending!
ive got a 2017 toyota 86, modified exhaust. it has a sound like ive never heard before. i bought it as is and im in love with it. whoever owned it before me... props to you man, its beautiful
@@gymusen and fa20's still sound like shit....lol ..... Best sounding 4 cylinders are the 4age, bmw m10, bmw m12/F3, Alfa twin cams, and DTM spec bmw e30 M3s/cosworth190es..........
When I was a kid my dad had a 81 Dodge D50. His buddy that owned a muffler shop built him a set of headers and ran duals with 12" glasspacks out the back. It was ridiculously loud, but I loved it. When I started buying and wrenching on cars in my teens, I bought a 1980 Suburu Wagon and gave it the true dual glasspack treatment. That thing was a blast rowing through the gears.
My first car was also a 86 Subaru gl wagon but with the exhaust chopped off at the headers 🤣 (edit) with the 5 speed as well sounded so amazing shifting gears the deceleration sound in between lazy shifts and those old engines didn't seem to have a Rev limiter 😮
@johnweisinger7390 most I ever saw him load it with was 2" steel pipe in 10' lengths, it was like 1800 lbs. He also hauled an entire Triumph Spitfire across the State of Illinois in the bed. Half a Ford Tempo (front doors to bumper with engine and trans) Truck went over 300k before the head went
Your selfless contribution to humanity, in your quest to answer the big questions has left us eternally indebted to you sir, thankyou for your service.. 😆👍.
I need this for my 04 altima so bad. I just got the dual exhaust rear bumper from the 3.5SE and I’m just now figuring out my exhaust. Thank you for this. You have found the perfect sound.
Do it! Nearly the same engine that's in this video too, funnily enough. The QR sounds great for a 4cyl to start, when not connected to a CVT that is lol (I know the Altima didn't have that for 04)
Fascinating way to get something similar to a Subaru without doing a unequal length headers, definitely going to see if it's possible with my car because UEL headers would have been more of a challenge than this style.
Subject to correction but exhausts work on pulse and you got to match the corresponding cylinders together for a balanced motor...if not you could end up with blow back into the cylinders which kills power of the engine...i think its mostly 1st with 4th and 2nd with 3rd banked together...depends how your engine is timed
Had a pinto. 2.3 was balanced and blueprinted with 2 2-bbl progressive carbs. Homemade headers ending with glass packd mufflers. 40 mpg, and sounded like a harley.
If you just picked up the merged pipes off the stock manifold, you likely have 360° firing pairs in each pipe. It sounds a little lumpier because they're unequal length between the individual cylinders, and the spacing between the outlets doesn't even those out at all (like an x-pipe would...) The 360 pairing is like Honda's F2 engines from the 1960s and the S800 racer, both had "true dual" exhausts and clips can be found on TH-cam. Pairing the cylinders differently at the manifold / head would yield something closer to a boxer 4 sound, or indeed Honda 4 cylinder motorcyles of the '60s and '70s :)
TH-cam isn't really a fair platform, most of all the car channels you see that are big have teams behind them and are working with people who work inside at TH-cam. Look up some of the top TH-camrs and many of them work for the same talent agency...
I did this to my 4cylinder, with equal length runner and a center collector for each running side by side and the splitting at the end sounds really good, Borla exhaust for the win
Out of curiosity, what cylinders did you pair with each other? 1&2 in one pipe 3&4 in another, 1&3 / 4&2, 1&4 / 3&2? All these different combos could make very different sounds when compared, i want to know what you chose to do.
I'm impressed, you made that Sentra sound good! Now you need to sell it to all other non-flat, 4 cylinder powered cars and get rid of the failed sneak-fart sounds on the street. You know what I mean, when you need to fart really bad and feel it backing up like your stomach is going to explode but you are with people you don't want to hear it, so you lift and squirm a bit to see if you can slowly and carefully release it and somehow it all goes terribly wrong and you sound like a Honda... Yeah, that sound. :)
Not all 4 pots sound the same. Old school (not 90's, but like 50-70's) rally car had some cool sounding 4 cylinders. Also the Cobalt SS and Dodge Neon Srt had some deeper growls.
Equal (honda) vs Unequal (subaru) length headers have a big differince as well as 4-1 vs 4-2-1, and chambered (deep) vs straight through (raspy) mufflers.
I did that many years ago with my '68 Corolla. Sometime in the 90's. Made two 2-1 headers out of a 4-1. It only sounds different if you're standing to one side of the car mostly hearing two cylinders. I split it so you get every other pulse on one side. (1-3-4-2...1 and 4 on the same pipe.) If you are directly behind the car it sounds pretty normal. Originally with pipes out the side in front of the back tires and 12 inch glass packs I could set off car alarms. That didn't last long, too obnoxious, I went straight out the back with normal mufflers. Much better. It's got a full NOS factory exhaust back on it now.
I really like the rumbling sound of true dual, it reminds me of the V8ish sound you get on old Inline 6s with true dual headers, with X and H pipe this just goes ricey. I'm tempted to have an exhaust like that but on flat plane 4 cylinders firing in pairs there would be a huge mess with the flow so it's going to lose performance for sure, there just isn't anything to pull a vacuum after each pair fires like in a single exhaust which has excellent flow due to each pair's exhaust pulling the other pair's out, not that the pulse from its own exhaust doesn't do it, it just doesn't do it as effectively.
@@josh97941 Tell them to split the headers into two separate pipes all the way to the back with an h-pipe. (and ignore their suggestions not to do it due to flow and blah blah blah)
There are 3 ways to make a dual-exhaust four-cylinder: 1) pair cyls.1 & 2, then 3 & 4. 2) pair cyls.1 & 3, then 2 & 4. 1) pair cyls.1 & 4, then 2 & 3. Each of the above, sounds rather different. Which option did you use in this vid?
I just put a 3" pipe and built a customer flow through muffler which I stole the design from FlowMaster, on a 2014 DongFeng Rich (Nissan Frontier) plus a K&N filter, made a huge difference and it sounds awesome and not too loud
Sweet! I've been toying this idea in my head for a long time. When making a "true dual" manifold for a single bank engine did you have any troubles with the upstream oxygen sensor properly reading the engine? With a 4-1 or 4-2-1 manifold the o2 is in the collector reading all of the cylinders exhaust and reading it but in a "true dual" setup you'd only be able to read 2 cylinders with the o2 (unless wiring up another o2 for the other 2 cylinders although I'm not sure if that's possible without stock ECU without mixing up the readings). I know like me this was more of letting the intrusive thoughts win type of deal haha but do you know which cylinders are preferred to have the o2s read or it doesn't really matter? I want to do this to my 4 cylinder but I wanted to research exhaust scavenging to get the best performance out of it when making the exhaust runners and take it a step further by creating 2 manifolds to see the differences in sound and power if any. My engine firing order is 1-3-4-2 so I wanted to make one manifold have 1-3 on one side and 4-2 be connected on the other so its two pulses on one exhaust pipe before switching then the other manifold could be 1-4 3-2 so there's one pulse on one pipe then goes to the other pipe one pulse and then goes back etc. Just trying to help make some sound that isn't a fart can :)
The o2 sensor on my headers was already sort of only on two cylinders to begin with. It's up way before the 2-1 collector and could only really read two cylinders anyway. The car runs fine, and there's no check engine light to do with an o2 sensor. My firing order is also 1-3-4-2, and my cylinders are split 1-2, 3-4. Having headers setup to have 1-3 and 4-2 paired would probably sound more "normal". As for flow unfortunately a dual exhaust is just never going to flow as well as a 4-2-1 setup will. An x-pipe may help flow, but will mostly remove the "choppy" sound as well as increase pitch. If you were to install headers with a 1-4, 2,3 split with an x pipe, I'm guessing it would sound like a regular single exhaust.
@@HatersGarage how did you split your header? Believe it or not, a couple months ago i had the exact same idea, did the same research, found nothing but that exact same forum, and decided to do it to my honda accord. Did the exhaust about a month ago. (Low key pissed that i found this video cause i wanted to be the first to document it but you made a more interesting video than i did so i give you props (as long as you didnt secretly see my video and steal my idea 🤔) I already had a header that was 4-2-1 that i used. Though this header paired cylinder 1-4 and cylinder 2-3. And with that split, each pipe has an even firing split (firing order 1-3-4-2). And i wanted an odd firing split so i cut and reconfigured my header to pair 1-3 and 2-4 for an odd firing split. Guessing based off the sound, that you paired yours 1-2 and 3-4 which also would be an odd firing split. Thus, your car sounds EXACTLY like my accord. However, i think if i had not modified the header and had the even firing split, i dont think it would have the same deep sound. The odd firing split adds a fundamental frequency 2 octaves below the normal 4 cyl firing frequency, but the even firing split would theoretically only be 1 octave below, and would have a totally different sound. But i dont think it would be as cool.
@@tjziegler8823 You're right, mine split on alternating cylinders. The firing order is 1-3-4-2, and my headers are split left and right. That's why it sounds so choppy and deep. I had this idea in my head for a while too, about a year or so, it just took me a while to get around to it.
I find it funny that you use a STI to make the dual tip point, after saying all 4 cylinders sound the same. EJ20/25 have a way different sound with a bigger exhaust, mainly due to headers but its still a different sound when just the exhaust is changed
The slightly clappy sound could be alleviated by like magnaflows maybe and a resonated tip and x pipe. It helped my m45 which is a v8 nissan basically and them and titans have that cis/ clappy sound and doing what u mentioned above made my car sound great 😊
I did it on a 91 Nissan 240sx with a 97 kade swap. Had a 4 to 2 to one header...I just cut it where it went 2 to 1 and ran 2 2.5 inch pipes side by side to the rear. Definitely sounded unique. The idea came from my dad who did it to his sisters hornet mack in the day.
Some motorcycles already do this, and you can split a 4 cylinder exhaust system in two, and have them each go out the left and right side, so your ears on the bike hear different firing orders, Stereo sound. A great motorcycle channel, RacerTV, made a video about choosing an engine for your Cafe-Racer project. Splitting the exhaust is one of the tips he gave, for tuning your sound to your preference.
I put a long tube header, free, with a straight through cherry bomb type muffler, also free, on a N/A 2.3 87 Mustang 5 speed, and it sounded INCREDIBLE! Seriously reminded me if the Bullitt Mustang. Still slow as molasses.
Done it with back in 96 with a 1983 ford exp. The exhaust manifold ran 4 pipes, collected into 2, and then one outlet. Cut the outlet off and ran true dual pipes all the way back into glasspacks. Loud, but not terrible.
Dude, you solved the 4 fart problem, finally I can restomod my 2002 mitsubishi lancer with a man. transmission and a dual exhaust system along with some new ports for my little 1.6l 4 banger. Thank you 😅.
Love that he says all 4cyl sound the same then shows the car known for its unique "rumble" when talking about true dual exhaust. I like to think that was on purpose.
everyone complaining about what is essentially a pitch issue and nothing more LOLOL. if you like the sound of formula one or a street bike then you inherently like the sound of 4cyl cars. regardless of what you say, you are a fan and are just hating to fit in with a different crowd.
did this with a subaru 1981 4wheel drive way back in the day( 1985)..one pipe and one glass pack for each side of an H style engine.. tips came out just after the back passenger door..could be heard from half mile away and it was distinctive in sound
The 22re engine cammed and equipped with a nice exhaust sounds absolutely amazing and doesn't sound like these whoopie cushion cars that people think sound cool.
It sounds a lot like a larger-bore version of an early-70's Honda 750 Four I owned back then, that I added a Hooker 4into2 exhaust system to. Ran great, sounded pretty decent, too.
I made a video changing the header pairing for the people wondering about that th-cam.com/video/rEDtQp8po84/w-d-xo.html
X-Pipe: th-cam.com/video/uI-Pl7vCQBU/w-d-xo.html
H-Pipe th-cam.com/video/hVKnvvYLDCE/w-d-xo.html
True Quad: th-cam.com/video/peDOTCkcLJc/w-d-xo.html
Lmao wtf. Literally was thinking about pairing as I’m watching this. Nice!
OK FELLA... You THINK you're smart... 😛 WHAT ABOUT 3 into 1 AND a 1 into 1 exhaust system? (2 pipes, 1 handling 3 of the cylinders, the other handling JUSt ONE cylinder)... HOW wil THAT sound eh? 🤔😏😉👍
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Make a kit.
Make a kit!!!!
Is the kit ready yet??
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Great video
This has to be the longes fart I've ever heard...
After your mom's.
Nothing beats various V8s but this sounds roughly 7324 times better than any farting four I’ve ever heard.
Previous best was Subaru boxer but this beats that.
(Plus boxers are SO weak like, vroommm SNAP… repair repair… vroom vrooommmm SNAP… repair repair… vroooSNAP… goes in bin🤓)
It sounds like a well mixed cross between a Subaru and a bike engine...almost reminiscent of a Group B car. You've unlocked a new setup for 4 bangers that doesn't sound shit.
im now processing how you could make a decently quiet true dual for performance on a sleeper. would sound good and hopefully close to stock with the smaller pipes needed.
lmao it does sound exactly like a bike engine, probably because of how only half the cylinders going through each pipe gives a pulsed characteristic to the sound.
Four cylinders are boring as heck, any UEL setup that isn’t completely straight pipe is gonna sound good unless it’s a tricked out 4ag which sounds good even firing
No this sounds like shit for sure lol
@@bmthfan1231 says the bmth fan (jk)
A little bit Subaru, a little bit Honda magna... neat.
Didnt mitsubishi make the magna?
@@Cmdrbzrd motorcycle, not car.
Yeah pretty accurate actually
Yooo y this comment make me lol 😂
Yo I have have both and let me say, yes. Yes indeed 😂
I'll be adding an X pipe to see what difference that makes soon, stay tuned.
cant wait
Cool! I'm curious are the header runners totally equal length? My factory mr18 has only slightly uel runners and it does add some rumble
@@Sps8836 I'm actually not sure if they're completely equal length. I doubt it would make a big difference in the scenario though.
@@HatersGarage Got it👌
Cant get any worse !
I was at the autocross when you ran that car. I think you put on the best show that day!
Yeah that was fun. it's twitchy and loose, the rear end comes out easily to spite being a fwd.
1:43 Love the sound of essentially two even firing inline 2 engines
Bro singlehandedly solved the longstanding "shit box" sound in 3 minutes.
Facts lol
3 minutes plus shipping
I mean it still sounds like a shit box lol
It's like if a moped and a bike had a baby.
🧢🧢@@LT3D
The fact you made this a less than 3 minute video and got strait to the point makes me wish everyone was like you. You earned a sub todau
I like that too. TH-cam has gone to shit in recent years. Every car video is some half an hour long vlog consisting of - absolute highlight of the video shown in the "intro". Then it's another introduction. Followed by 3 minutes of advertisement of some VPN solution some useless product. Then its 10 minutes of random footage. 2 minutes of actual themed video and then again random bullshit for 10 minutes. (90% of screentime is someone's face in "selfie" format)
I don't really like short form videos.
@@Mart77 In todays video: (best scenes). I hate this trend, I clicked on the video because I want to watch it as a whole thing. Learned to fastly skip this part, because its just spoiler..
I've started to avoid videos over 10 minutes long because of the "How to be a car TH-camr" video format people like to use.
It starts with a 1 minute clip of the actual video subject, then a 5 minute long dear diary intro, followed by a 5 minute long ad about mail order TV dinners, then they say a bunch of long winded crap for like 8 minutes, and then finally they end the video by reading their entire Patreon list out loud.
Aviation channels are even worse somehow, they'll be like 50 minutes long for something that could be explained in 5 minutes.
Well dang now I'm super curious what difference an x-pipe would make. It does sound deep, unique and different. I like it.
X pipe video is coming at some point.
It will sound like any other 4 cylinder again...
@@identiticrisis no it wont... you dont know anything about exhausts do you
@@sigmamale4147 Ha, I guess not! Good job hater's garage actually did the hard work so we internet debaters have the hard facts instead of relying on baseless assumptions and emotional arguments that only serve to soothe egos.
@@identiticrisis whatever dude... ive heard enough x piped engines to know they sound very different
You take that first comment back!
-Every Subaru ever.
Subarus are the only non-4 cylinder 4 cylinder
Subarus sound the way they do because they usually have unequal-length headers. You can make an inline 4 sound like that if you go out of your way to mismatch the header lengths. Unfortunately it also isn't the best for performance--you gotta choose between sounding cool and going fast(ish).
@rfmerrill Yeah. Although it's partly the flat/boxer layout, which does create the weird note.
Always thought old school beetles sound similar.
I've got a Gt86 and my mate has an old beetle and they sound surprisingly similar at idle.
@@rfmerrill Little addendum, my Subie has ELHs, but still gives off the Subaru sound, just to a lesser extent.
I'm happy that you read the article that said don't do it and it made you want to do it! That sounds great! Your car sounds awesome!
Dude... that may be the best 4 cylinder exhaust i have EVER heard
Check out the old Alfa Romeo V4 engines, very similar sound, very cool.
SRT-4
Almost any WRC car 1990-2010.
Just sounds like a subaru or uel civic
Awesome video, straight to the point. I like it. Sounds nice, almost like a boxer engine.
It does sound like a boxer!
I have 2 of the same car as him. One has an unequal length header and sounds like a boxer, just not as pronounced. But very cool video overall.
Boxers only get that sound from UnEqualLength Headers (often called UEL headers) which is somewhat similar to this (I know there's differences...)
@@experimental0000 Yeah. There are Subis without the uel headers and they dont sound subaru at all.
Porsches are boxer too and sound completely different, or the old vw vans, beetle etc
Boxer 4's like the typical subi rumble get the sound from unequal length headers not because they are boxer engines.
This is the best sounding inline 4 ever Holy shit i want a S2000 with true duals
To be "that guy", the F2.2 much prefers a 4-1. Part of the reason even race exhausts don't do this is because you lose scavenging. Honda usually puts really good exhaust on their cars from factory or they used to back where they were good...😊
Listen to a s2000 titanium dual exhaust video and come back 😂
That sounds good
Probably the best four-cylinder I’ve heard
Lol so sad
Definitely a deeper sound than my 1974 Toyota Celica. My Dad and I split the exhaust manifold back in 1985 to see how different it sounded compared to his 1952 Chevy straight Six. They were close but my Celica had a higher pitch. We ran straight pipes to the back wheels then had 18" Cherry Bombs with chrome tips. Kind of like a High Powered Weed Eater. LOL.
Great to see someone doing a True Dual again.
I did this three years ago with a friend!! We took a 1991 legacy and did a true divorced dual. With 2.5" pipes it sounded just like a V8
Yo, what muffler did you use? Do you have a video ?
@@vakarispargauskas5422 No mufflers just 1.75" straight pipe per side to 1.75" in/out no name resonators, to 2.5" per side. Had videos on my old TH-cam which I lost when I deleted my Google account :(
@@simonaldridge4099I find that no name resonators that you can get from a proper shop can net you better results but in America everything is brands 🤣 if you not branded you a loser 🤣
@christopherdaniel2747 exactly why I'm going ebay turbo kit on my e46 325i lol don't care lol
@@livingthelife8443 well not everything you can go with that thinking eah....the money you save on exhaust you can spend on the stuff that matters, I just find that people are robbing themselves on these thousand-dollar exhaust
Without a doubt one of the coolest sounding 4 cylinders I've heard. Down low you get a Subaru sort of rumble and up high it sounds like a v4 Honda magna which is one of my all time favorite sounding bikes
SRT-4 hands down has the most aggressive sound hands down
I’m in love with the guy that made this video
Impossible as this is the Haters Garage....
Y'all should kiss
Had an '88 Olds with a quad 4, and no catalytic converter. It actually didnt sound bad. The converters were burned out. Your car sounds really good! Impressive! Love the ending!
Straight to the point video. I wondered, I welded and I wrecked havoc on my surroundings. Love it
ive got a 2017 toyota 86, modified exhaust. it has a sound like ive never heard before. i bought it as is and im in love with it. whoever owned it before me... props to you man, its beautiful
you have boxer engine, thats different type of engine
Still a 4 cylinder tho@@DaysDH
@@gymusen and fa20's still sound like shit....lol ..... Best sounding 4 cylinders are the 4age, bmw m10, bmw m12/F3, Alfa twin cams, and DTM spec bmw e30 M3s/cosworth190es..........
I like those cars, very Miata - esq
This actually sounds really pleasant
When I was a kid my dad had a 81 Dodge D50. His buddy that owned a muffler shop built him a set of headers and ran duals with 12" glasspacks out the back. It was ridiculously loud, but I loved it.
When I started buying and wrenching on cars in my teens, I bought a 1980 Suburu Wagon and gave it the true dual glasspack treatment. That thing was a blast rowing through the gears.
My first car was also a 86 Subaru gl wagon but with the exhaust chopped off at the headers 🤣 (edit) with the 5 speed as well sounded so amazing shifting gears the deceleration sound in between lazy shifts and those old engines didn't seem to have a Rev limiter 😮
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My dad had an 81 Ram 50 that outworked every truck on the construction site lol
@notablynova4247 I believe it. We would load it down with as much firewood as we could get on it. It didn't even struggle.
@johnweisinger7390 most I ever saw him load it with was 2" steel pipe in 10' lengths, it was like 1800 lbs.
He also hauled an entire Triumph Spitfire across the State of Illinois in the bed.
Half a Ford Tempo (front doors to bumper with engine and trans)
Truck went over 300k before the head went
I just accidentally stumbled here because it popped on my feed, now I'm hooked, I love creative stuff like that, man
Sounds way better than most 4 cylinders.
Thank you also for pointing out to the world that a single that splits is not a dual exhaust.
Your selfless contribution to humanity, in your quest to answer the big questions has left us eternally indebted to you sir, thankyou for your service.. 😆👍.
I need this for my 04 altima so bad. I just got the dual exhaust rear bumper from the 3.5SE and I’m just now figuring out my exhaust. Thank you for this. You have found the perfect sound.
Do it! Nearly the same engine that's in this video too, funnily enough. The QR sounds great for a 4cyl to start, when not connected to a CVT that is lol
(I know the Altima didn't have that for 04)
Congrats for being the reason four bangers start to sound better in the future
It really sounds fantastic, what a throaty sound from a 4 cyl, super neat that it sounds a bit like a bike mixed with a subaru
Fascinating way to get something similar to a Subaru without doing a unequal length headers, definitely going to see if it's possible with my car because UEL headers would have been more of a challenge than this style.
I think the true dual setup out Subaru's the Subaru UEL sound.
@@HatersGarage Definitily, gives it a sound closer to a 270 degree twin cylinder motorcycle
Would be interesting how the sound changes depending on which cylinders you pair up... 🤔
Done th-cam.com/video/rEDtQp8po84/w-d-xo.html
Subject to correction but exhausts work on pulse and you got to match the corresponding cylinders together for a balanced motor...if not you could end up with blow back into the cylinders which kills power of the engine...i think its mostly 1st with 4th and 2nd with 3rd banked together...depends how your engine is timed
I love the “ identifies as a blue door” 😂
Lame whiteboy humor
Had a pinto. 2.3 was balanced and blueprinted with 2 2-bbl progressive carbs. Homemade headers ending with glass packd mufflers. 40 mpg, and sounded like a harley.
That actually sounds way better. A true dual vtech would sound insane.
If you just picked up the merged pipes off the stock manifold, you likely have 360° firing pairs in each pipe. It sounds a little lumpier because they're unequal length between the individual cylinders, and the spacing between the outlets doesn't even those out at all (like an x-pipe would...)
The 360 pairing is like Honda's F2 engines from the 1960s and the S800 racer, both had "true dual" exhausts and clips can be found on TH-cam.
Pairing the cylinders differently at the manifold / head would yield something closer to a boxer 4 sound, or indeed Honda 4 cylinder motorcyles of the '60s and '70s :)
Bro was thinking the vid had like 1 mil views , me looking and finding out t only got like 600 views 😮😮😮, underrated AF
TH-cam isn't really a fair platform, most of all the car channels you see that are big have teams behind them and are working with people who work inside at TH-cam. Look up some of the top TH-camrs and many of them work for the same talent agency...
It’s got a million now
On Low rpm sounds like a v8 1:19
this came up on my recommended and i really like this video style!! great video 🙏🏼
I did this to my 4cylinder, with equal length runner and a center collector for each running side by side and the splitting at the end sounds really good, Borla exhaust for the win
Out of curiosity, what cylinders did you pair with each other? 1&2 in one pipe 3&4 in another, 1&3 / 4&2, 1&4 / 3&2? All these different combos could make very different sounds when compared, i want to know what you chose to do.
And also would need to know the firing order.
It was paired 1-2, 3-4. I just changed the pairing to 1-4, 2-3 for even pulses, that video should be out soon.
@@HatersGarage sick! I've been glued to my phone waiting for new videos from you. Keep up the good work bro.
If you want deeper sound prolly do the cylinders that fire right after the one before it
I want to do one with 4 individual exhausts that run all the way to the back.
Now that's an idea :)
I'm impressed, you made that Sentra sound good! Now you need to sell it to all other non-flat, 4 cylinder powered cars and get rid of the failed sneak-fart sounds on the street. You know what I mean, when you need to fart really bad and feel it backing up like your stomach is going to explode but you are with people you don't want to hear it, so you lift and squirm a bit to see if you can slowly and carefully release it and somehow it all goes terribly wrong and you sound like a Honda... Yeah, that sound. :)
Wow …as an owner of a V8 with modified exhaust…this is quite impressive. Love the sound
It’s uncanny how different it sounds- and good
Identifies as a blue door 😂 that won my subscription 👍
Man is very easy to please
@@obeseperson I wonder why none of your videos were interesting to me then?
@@Freedom-vh5ne got a problem with subscribing to a black man's videos?
I added an X-pipe to see that that would do: th-cam.com/video/uI-Pl7vCQBU/w-d-xo.html
Wouldn’t bother or consider Xpipe since merge and crush exhaust pulses back to sounding like single farty exhaust sound.
you cant deny 4 cylinder boxer engines sound different
@@christopherbradley8771 I'll rephrase what I said, all INLINE 4 cylinder engines sound the same.
@@HatersGarage done good job separating into 2. Much better sound than single or merged systems
@@HatersGarage YOU DON'T HAVE TRUE DUAL EXHAUST ON 4CYL, THERE IS ONLY ONE EXHAUST MANIFOLD 🤡🤡 nice clickbait tho, it worked.
Not all 4 pots sound the same. Old school (not 90's, but like 50-70's) rally car had some cool sounding 4 cylinders. Also the Cobalt SS and Dodge Neon Srt had some deeper growls.
Equal (honda) vs Unequal (subaru) length headers have a big differince as well as 4-1 vs 4-2-1, and chambered (deep) vs straight through (raspy) mufflers.
I did that many years ago with my '68 Corolla. Sometime in the 90's. Made two 2-1 headers out of a 4-1. It only sounds different if you're standing to one side of the car mostly hearing two cylinders. I split it so you get every other pulse on one side. (1-3-4-2...1 and 4 on the same pipe.) If you are directly behind the car it sounds pretty normal. Originally with pipes out the side in front of the back tires and 12 inch glass packs I could set off car alarms. That didn't last long, too obnoxious, I went straight out the back with normal mufflers. Much better.
It's got a full NOS factory exhaust back on it now.
I love the melody of a finely tuned shitbox, birds singing on a spring morning can't compare to this engines beautiful serenade of exhaust gases 🙂
I really like the rumbling sound of true dual, it reminds me of the V8ish sound you get on old Inline 6s with true dual headers, with X and H pipe this just goes ricey.
I'm tempted to have an exhaust like that but on flat plane 4 cylinders firing in pairs there would be a huge mess with the flow so it's going to lose performance for sure, there just isn't anything to pull a vacuum after each pair fires like in a single exhaust which has excellent flow due to each pair's exhaust pulling the other pair's out, not that the pulse from its own exhaust doesn't do it, it just doesn't do it as effectively.
Yeah on any 4 cylinder a true dual exhaust doesn't really make sense from a performance perspective.
@HatersGarage what about on a boxer engine?
It already has two banks.
@@HatersGarage as an exhaust novice looking to mod my q50, what should I tell my local shop to have this sound?
would sound mostly the same.
@@josh97941 Tell them to split the headers into two separate pipes all the way to the back with an h-pipe. (and ignore their suggestions not to do it due to flow and blah blah blah)
I was concerned about my exhaust noise , and was about to give up cars but now youve given me hope for the future 👍
There are 3 ways to make a dual-exhaust four-cylinder:
1) pair cyls.1 & 2, then 3 & 4.
2) pair cyls.1 & 3, then 2 & 4.
1) pair cyls.1 & 4, then 2 & 3.
Each of the above, sounds rather different.
Which option did you use in this vid?
i think the easyest so 12 34
I made a video on header pairing th-cam.com/video/rEDtQp8po84/w-d-xo.html
That has no right sounding so good!!!
I just put a 3" pipe and built a customer flow through muffler which I stole the design from FlowMaster, on a 2014 DongFeng Rich (Nissan Frontier) plus a K&N filter, made a huge difference and it sounds awesome and not too loud
Sweet! I've been toying this idea in my head for a long time. When making a "true dual" manifold for a single bank engine did you have any troubles with the upstream oxygen sensor properly reading the engine? With a 4-1 or 4-2-1 manifold the o2 is in the collector reading all of the cylinders exhaust and reading it but in a "true dual" setup you'd only be able to read 2 cylinders with the o2 (unless wiring up another o2 for the other 2 cylinders although I'm not sure if that's possible without stock ECU without mixing up the readings). I know like me this was more of letting the intrusive thoughts win type of deal haha but do you know which cylinders are preferred to have the o2s read or it doesn't really matter? I want to do this to my 4 cylinder but I wanted to research exhaust scavenging to get the best performance out of it when making the exhaust runners and take it a step further by creating 2 manifolds to see the differences in sound and power if any. My engine firing order is 1-3-4-2 so I wanted to make one manifold have 1-3 on one side and 4-2 be connected on the other so its two pulses on one exhaust pipe before switching then the other manifold could be 1-4 3-2 so there's one pulse on one pipe then goes to the other pipe one pulse and then goes back etc. Just trying to help make some sound that isn't a fart can :)
The o2 sensor on my headers was already sort of only on two cylinders to begin with. It's up way before the 2-1 collector and could only really read two cylinders anyway. The car runs fine, and there's no check engine light to do with an o2 sensor. My firing order is also 1-3-4-2, and my cylinders are split 1-2, 3-4. Having headers setup to have 1-3 and 4-2 paired would probably sound more "normal". As for flow unfortunately a dual exhaust is just never going to flow as well as a 4-2-1 setup will. An x-pipe may help flow, but will mostly remove the "choppy" sound as well as increase pitch. If you were to install headers with a 1-4, 2,3 split with an x pipe, I'm guessing it would sound like a regular single exhaust.
You can usually just do any of the primaries and its fine, some hondas already used 2 upstream o2 sensors for tuning as early as 1987 on the JDM b16a.
please try swapping the header collectors onto alternating cylinders to see the sound difference
That could be interesting, I have a feeling it would sound similar though.
@@HatersGarage how did you split your header? Believe it or not, a couple months ago i had the exact same idea, did the same research, found nothing but that exact same forum, and decided to do it to my honda accord. Did the exhaust about a month ago. (Low key pissed that i found this video cause i wanted to be the first to document it but you made a more interesting video than i did so i give you props (as long as you didnt secretly see my video and steal my idea 🤔) I already had a header that was 4-2-1 that i used. Though this header paired cylinder 1-4 and cylinder 2-3. And with that split, each pipe has an even firing split (firing order 1-3-4-2). And i wanted an odd firing split so i cut and reconfigured my header to pair 1-3 and 2-4 for an odd firing split. Guessing based off the sound, that you paired yours 1-2 and 3-4 which also would be an odd firing split. Thus, your car sounds EXACTLY like my accord. However, i think if i had not modified the header and had the even firing split, i dont think it would have the same deep sound. The odd firing split adds a fundamental frequency 2 octaves below the normal 4 cyl firing frequency, but the even firing split would theoretically only be 1 octave below, and would have a totally different sound. But i dont think it would be as cool.
@@tjziegler8823 You're right, mine split on alternating cylinders. The firing order is 1-3-4-2, and my headers are split left and right. That's why it sounds so choppy and deep. I had this idea in my head for a while too, about a year or so, it just took me a while to get around to it.
I find it funny that you use a STI to make the dual tip point, after saying all 4 cylinders sound the same. EJ20/25 have a way different sound with a bigger exhaust, mainly due to headers but its still a different sound when just the exhaust is changed
unequal length headers on the subaru. You can get em for hondas to make em sound the same lol.
Dude that sounds so sick I love it
Yeah dual exhaust always sounds nice! This was my expectations, at least so far as getting it to run correctly anyhow. Cool vid!
The slightly clappy sound could be alleviated by like magnaflows maybe and a resonated tip and x pipe. It helped my m45 which is a v8 nissan basically and them and titans have that cis/ clappy sound and doing what u mentioned above made my car sound great 😊
Ooohhh, that is *sweet.* Every 4cyl car should have this setup. Holy crap that's a great sound.
1:44 That actually sounds nice! Its subtle, deep sound and crisp. im sure adding a resonator like a dynomax would tone it even more.
I did it on a 91 Nissan 240sx with a 97 kade swap. Had a 4 to 2 to one header...I just cut it where it went 2 to 1 and ran 2 2.5 inch pipes side by side to the rear. Definitely sounded unique. The idea came from my dad who did it to his sisters hornet mack in the day.
33 seconds in its already a great video
One thing to say… mission accomplished… proper dual exhaust on a four cylinder engine.
I think it's safe to say this is the best sounding low budget car we've ever heard
Some motorcycles already do this, and you can split a 4 cylinder exhaust system in two, and have them each go out the left and right side, so your ears on the bike hear different firing orders, Stereo sound.
A great motorcycle channel, RacerTV, made a video about choosing an engine for your Cafe-Racer project. Splitting the exhaust is one of the tips he gave, for tuning your sound to your preference.
Was surprised to see a haggard garage clip make it here, but that accord was a V6
Lmao it’s sound so bad that people mistake it for a 4 cylinder
What a great way to start a video 😂
Also, leave my prelude alone, that thing actually sounds amazing for a 4banger (with Skunk2 exhaust)
I put a long tube header, free, with a straight through cherry bomb type muffler, also free, on a N/A 2.3 87 Mustang 5 speed, and it sounded INCREDIBLE! Seriously reminded me if the Bullitt Mustang.
Still slow as molasses.
Lots of older inline 4 motorcycles run dual exhausts like this. Some have an h pipe config, some have them fully seprate. Makes a neat sound!
Love it! Extremely unique. Great job and thank you for doing something I’ve always wondered and never dared do 🤣
Done it with back in 96 with a 1983 ford exp. The exhaust manifold ran 4 pipes, collected into 2, and then one outlet. Cut the outlet off and ran true dual pipes all the way back into glasspacks. Loud, but not terrible.
Sounds like 2/3rds of a V6... Nice work
Hey... nice Senturabu 😂👌 worthy viewing material, nice sense of humour/editing on display.
Dude, you solved the 4 fart problem, finally I can restomod my 2002 mitsubishi lancer with a man. transmission and a dual exhaust system along with some new ports for my little 1.6l 4 banger.
Thank you 😅.
That sounds amazing actually!
This was my first car (aftermarket headers only). Sounds great even stock. Best sounding i4 minus turbo subarus.
Sounds exactly as an inline-2! But sounds better than any other L4! Nice!
Sounds like a cross between a bike and a Subie. I love it.
Love that he says all 4cyl sound the same then shows the car known for its unique "rumble" when talking about true dual exhaust. I like to think that was on purpose.
My 1966 Corvair engine came with dual exhaust and Borla mufflers...sounds great!
That.. sounds quite good? I'm surprised and my ears are blessed
I’m shooketh. Thou hath made a inlinebaru.
Omg this is awesome it’s not to loud and it sounds great I love it
I wasn’t expecting it to sound good, it did though! I’m sure there’s a number of motors this would sound bad on but this is certainly not one of them👌
everyone complaining about what is essentially a pitch issue and nothing more LOLOL. if you like the sound of formula one or a street bike then you inherently like the sound of 4cyl cars. regardless of what you say, you are a fan and are just hating to fit in with a different crowd.
did this with a subaru 1981 4wheel drive way back in the day( 1985)..one pipe and one glass pack for each side of an H style engine.. tips came out just after the back passenger door..could be heard from half mile away and it was distinctive in sound
Wow, sounds pretty good!!
I lost it with the hippo clip 😂
It Is like having two bicilinder engines ! LOVE IT!
The 22re engine cammed and equipped with a nice exhaust sounds absolutely amazing and doesn't sound like these whoopie cushion cars that people think sound cool.
As a Virginian, this is as VA as it gets! Hell Yeah Brother
It sounds a lot like a larger-bore version of an early-70's Honda 750 Four I owned back then, that I added a Hooker 4into2 exhaust system to. Ran great, sounded pretty decent, too.
I would bet that a small air pump buffering the exhaust would make it SO much better. It sounds like a long-tail 4cyl harley.
I’ve heard V8s that sound like that so I think it turned out well, nice work
4 cylinder made cool in 3 minutes. way to go!
man has never heard another 4 cyl outside of honda and says they are all the same 🤣🤣🤣 hilarious vid bud, best of luck in the future.
This sounds really good, almost like a V4! The motorbike analogy seems to be accurate though.
I am NOT a 4 cylinder fan, but that sounds freakin cool.